Counterfeit (fake) KMC Chains.

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  • čas přidán 7. 09. 2024

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  • @FiveMinuteVelo
    @FiveMinuteVelo  Před dnem

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  • @ianp7048
    @ianp7048 Před rokem +21

    I've just received a counterfeit 12 speed KMC chain from Aliexpress. I provided them with photos and links. Also 75% "worn". Another indication is that there is not any of that sticky packaging lubrication typically on KMC chains. Dispute resolution? They are not interested. No refund. So thank you for highlighting this issue.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem +2

      Good to know if my video was helpful for you. If you could forward the video to your cycling friends that would help spread the message about these poor quality/dangerous parts.
      I've had a similar issue with trying to claim through AliExpress for a non-delivered item, I think their system only has one outcome 'rejected the claim'. Having said that, the item did eventually turn up after 2 months despite it being on a guaranteed 15-day delivery time. I now never buy big-name branded items on AliExpress. I have had success with lesser-known Chinese brands such as Sensah.

  • @Biking360
    @Biking360 Před rokem +18

    Counterfeit components are a huge issue for us in Thailand. I try to buy from authorized dealers in Europe for this very reason. Shimano fakes are the worst offenders!

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem

      This seems to be a worldwide problem, although this is the first time I have categorically identified a counterfeit chain. Although, as you mentioned Shimano chains, looking back, I think I probably bought a couple of counterfeit 9-speed chains.
      Judging by the wear rate of my genuine KMC chain it is definitely worth paying to be sure of getting genuine items.

  • @EMTBonsai
    @EMTBonsai Před 2 měsíci +2

    At 6.00 the close up the actual outter links look bigger in the fake to the real one, the heads look alot wider! Unbelievable even at it with KCM that middle cut being right to the edge though thats very concerning!

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@EMTBonsai > thanks for raising this issue, I think I will get my ruler out later.

  • @TimothyTakemoto
    @TimothyTakemoto Před 5 měsíci +2

    Thank you very much indeed for this detailed video.
    The packaging of the fake chains has improved. I just bought a fake since the packaging looked kosher and does not have most of the issues mentioned here. But the main chevrons on the blue background fade out in the real packaging but stop abruptly with the fake and this chain that I have purchased likewise. Also the inner plates are not chamfered. Thank you for pointing that out. I will check the length soon.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks for the feedback. Yes, they probably put more effort into nice packaging than making the chain 😁.
      It is getting difficult to buy guaranteed non-counterfit chains. I now tend to go to reputable sellers (like Amazon 😂) so if I do get fakes, I can at least return them and get a refund.

  • @andybayley1767
    @andybayley1767 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Just got what is a fake kmc chain, skipped really badly, just swapped it with what I think is a genuine kmc chain all fine now. Your video explains it perfectly

  • @boydcombsakaGster
    @boydcombsakaGster Před 11 měsíci +2

    Nice job. Thank you for the clear, thorough review and description.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 11 měsíci

      Thank you very much for the feedback, it makes making these videos worthwhile.

  • @GraemeDibb
    @GraemeDibb Před 10 měsíci +1

    Just used your video to check if my two s KMC X bridge chain were not fakes. They were not and met all the criteria as per your real one. Many thanks for an excellent video. I have been burnt by some Shimano chains in the past, purchased from Amazon. Only realised after they wore out after 4-5 months , by which time they had also worn out 2 cassettes and two front chain rings.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 10 měsíci

      I feel for you, been there. There seem to be more fakes than real chains. I opt for KMC because the real ones are great and not faked as much as Shimano.

  • @michaelreyes4412
    @michaelreyes4412 Před rokem +2

    Thank u Sir for the video, now i know that my CHAIN was replaced by FAKE KMC Chain, i will show this video to him. - Michael from Philippines

  • @Lilian040210
    @Lilian040210 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Ordered one, packaging looked legit, but the chain didn't have that weird xsp print, random 1 and 2 numbers, and was uneven, deeper here, barely there there. It was made in 2021, so maybe they looked different from what is on the official site now, but I returned it, idk🥴

  • @alexanderlawson1649
    @alexanderlawson1649 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I would guess the reason these fake chains stretch so readily is that they must be made from the wrong type of steel. There are literally 100's of differrent steel alloy formulations and for a hard wearing chain that resists stretching I would guess a high tensile quality steel would have to be used. Softer steels, which I would guess these fakes are made from, will wear and stretch much more readily.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 3 měsíci

      Strictly speaking the chains don't stretch, they wear out. That is the clearance between the pins and holes increases which gives the impression of stretching.
      The selection of the material, coatings and lubricant affects how quickly the chain will wear. This may be exacerbated by initial slack tolerances.
      It's nice for me to know, that you know that steels are 'alloys' 😊😊😊

  • @Lord-hoboco777
    @Lord-hoboco777 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I got caught out buying a fake kmc chain off Ebay last year .. the chain snapped first ride out in 3 different links while i was 8 miles out on a forest trail as you can imagine i was not amused

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@Lord-hoboco777 > you have my sympathy, I had one break too but it did have a few hundred kilometres of use. If you're lucky, they just wear out quickly, looks like you are not lucky.

    • @Lord-hoboco777
      @Lord-hoboco777 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@FiveMinuteVelo the only luck i did have that day was i only had a few cuts and bruises and someone came by on an Ebike after a mile of pushing my mtb and gave me a tow the rest of the way back to civilization i got a full refund off the Ebay seller so i was lucky in that way

  • @Ru556
    @Ru556 Před rokem +2

    It seems that the truth is in the wear indication. Fakes will be made to a poor level of tolerance. I must get the indicator gauge!

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem +1

      The wear indicator tool is useful but not without its own problems. For instance the indicated tools I use measure the total wear, this includes the main bushing wear and the roller wear. There is an argument that roller wear is irrelevant and should not be included. Some measuring tools do try to take roller wear into account.
      p.s. the rollers on not really rollers - they don't roll - they are really just plain bushes.

  • @potsy9973
    @potsy9973 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I got fake brand name MTB grips in the past. I won't order parts from those big distributors to begin with. That doesn't exactly resolve the potential problem. Fake parts do make it inside respected retailers unbeknownst to the owner. It happens when ppl try to save a dime or make a dime. The customer must always be on top of it by staying educated and on the ball. Return parts when it happens. Don't use it anyway. The problem will run more out of control if nobody does anything to push back.

  • @michaelviglianco6121
    @michaelviglianco6121 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I hadnt thought about it but i currently have the same 11 speed and the shifting is noticably poor. Im going to look closer.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 10 měsíci

      Normally even counterfeit chains change OK. Lt me know the outcome.

  • @andrewwellman
    @andrewwellman Před rokem +2

    I just was taken with a counterfeit kmc x12. The chain lasted only 3 hrs and lost 3 rollers and was stretched beyond 75 percent. I would love to share photos

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem +1

      Terrible, never had one that bad. If you use Instagram you could share photos on there and #fiveminutevelo. Alternatively you could send the photos and a description to me at fiveminutevelo@gmail.com and I will post them on your behalf.
      Did you get any recourse from the seller?

  • @johndef5075
    @johndef5075 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I have received a counterfeit Shimano chain from ebay and Aliexpress. Im sticking to my LBS from now on. Too critical a component. I feel dumb trying to save a few bucks when my bike is fairly expensive.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 4 měsíci

      Good call, I too have started to spend more time on buying good chains rather than cost savings. Beware though, I have a friend who bought a couple of chains from an LBS and they turned out to be counterfeit; he did though get them exchanged for genuine chains after the LBS had realised that they had been duped into buying counterfeit items.

  • @TheGabriel959
    @TheGabriel959 Před rokem +4

    I only buy chains from reputable retailers for this reason.

  • @nh64uk78
    @nh64uk78 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I've had a KMC (or "KMC") 10-speed chain snap on my 3 month old Brompton T Line that I fitted when the bike was brand new.
    5 weeks later and still recovering from my injuries, I've realised the chain actually snapped on a normal link, not on the joint link.I now need to inspect the chain further to see if it is genuine or not.
    Thank you for your video!!

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 9 měsíci

      I'm really sorry to hear that you were injured. I hope you get a full recovery soon.
      I'd be interested to know what the outcome of your investigations are.

  • @anthonyjones1179
    @anthonyjones1179 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Just realised I'd bought 2 fake chains last night, put a new drivetrain on the MTB and it wouldn't mesh with the narrow wide chainring. I've had the other one on the road bike for 17 months and it was a little noisy, I put it down to the Sun race cassette. I've since ordered 2 XTR chains from a reputable local online store, I'll stay away from eBay from now on.

    • @anthonyjones1179
      @anthonyjones1179 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Turns out the fakes I bought are stamped just like the originals but the packaging is fake as per your video. I haven't been using one for 17 months, turns out I bought these in November and I have a new one in the shed. I've complained to eBay. Your chains seem to come pre worn, mine are the other way around, they're too tight, just won't work on a narrow wide chainring. I'm also not so sure my old chain was genuine, it has no chamfering.

    • @anthonyjones1179
      @anthonyjones1179 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Also notice the fake one lists the missing link as CL559R which is the part number for the 10 speed link, 11 speed is CL555R

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 3 měsíci

      The manufacturers (genuine) change features from time to time and from different levels of chain. Hence, the lack of chamfers is not necessarily a giveaway. Often it's difficult to tell whether a chain is a fake or not? However, being aware that the problem is out, there is halfway to solving it.

  • @acislak
    @acislak Před 4 měsíci +1

    How did you not mention the shallow chafing on the fake one?

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 4 měsíci

      You'll need to give me more information so I can respond.

  • @AnteUp34
    @AnteUp34 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Did you measure the Aliexpress one?

  • @lazylonewolf
    @lazylonewolf Před rokem +1

    It seems my X8 is fake. Got no space on the KMC corp and "perfect" X on the chain. Came in greased though.
    However, it's shifting well and not worn as bad as yours. I also got it for $5, hoping that it's old stock, but I knew I was risking that it would be fake. Eh it's only 5 bucks and it's doing it's job so far so no biggie until it breaks early.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem +2

      Also if the chain wears rapidly it could destroy your chain rings and cassette. In which case it could be a false economy. If it works for you though fine, just keep an eye on the wear.

    • @lazylonewolf
      @lazylonewolf Před rokem +1

      @@FiveMinuteVelo Yeah. I'm just using it on an old cheap foldie, but I'll keep an eye on the wear and shifting.

  • @al-du6lb
    @al-du6lb Před 25 dny +1

    I got a fake shimano chain on amazon. It only lasted a couple hundred miles and I knew something was wrong.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 25 dny

      @@al-du6lb > it's difficult not to buy fake chains through Amazon, particularly if it's a non-amison seller selling on Amazon. I have bought what I believe to be genuine KMC chains direct from Amazon. However, overall I think it is very hit and miss.

  • @cmdrrgh
    @cmdrrgh Před 5 měsíci +1

    I bought a fake KMC chain on E Bay, it measured.025 out of my the box. I wanted to see how long it would last and it went two hundred and fifty days for me, I ride four miles a day

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 5 měsíci

      So about 1,000miles, possibly a bit more than I would expect.
      Thank you very much for the feedback.

  • @jakebrakebill
    @jakebrakebill Před 3 měsíci +2

    and it's more than just chains on ............

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 3 měsíci +2

      Yes, I know. One can even buy counterfeit aircraft spare parts!

    • @jakebrakebill
      @jakebrakebill Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@FiveMinuteVelo scary, you have to know your stuff these days

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@jakebrakebill > even then, many experts have been caught out!

    • @jakebrakebill
      @jakebrakebill Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@FiveMinuteVelo 👍

  • @ramblinonandon
    @ramblinonandon Před rokem +1

    I ordered a Shimano chain from eBay and received a nicely packaged chain....but.... approx half the links were KMC and half Shimano...hmmmmmm?

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem +2

      I hve never seen that before. Seems it is easier to buy fake chains than original chains.

  • @ShadmanKhan
    @ShadmanKhan Před rokem +2

    Mine just broke twice today ...these counterfeit products need to be stopped

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem +2

      Bad luck, I hope you were not hurt? I have been shocked just how common counterfeit chains (and other items) are.

    • @ShadmanKhan
      @ShadmanKhan Před rokem

      @@FiveMinuteVelo luckily I didn't get hurt ... yes I completely agree with you

  • @shawnoen1029
    @shawnoen1029 Před rokem +4

    Only buy directly from KMC. End of discussion.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem

      Maybe not quite! I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we can't buy direct from KMC, only their official sellers. Where I live these are just ordinary LBS. Admittedly you're much less likely to get the fake chain through this route but it's not guaranteed.
      I know someone who bought two SRAM through such a shop and they turned out to be counterfeit. It turned out the shop obtained them through an intermediary distributor (quite normal practice) and they had some how got hold of a batch of fakes.

    • @cmdrrgh
      @cmdrrgh Před 5 měsíci +1

      I wait for a sale and than buy from KMC direct 🤠🤠🤠

  • @michaelswonderfulworld
    @michaelswonderfulworld Před měsícem +1

    Yeah that second one is shitty for sure

  • @GNX157
    @GNX157 Před rokem +1

    You should of split the fake chain apart. There’s a lot more details on the insides of the outer and inner plates that will show what is fake.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem

      Good suggestion, I will look into it for a future video. However, did not need to do that for this chain.

    • @GNX157
      @GNX157 Před rokem

      @@FiveMinuteVelo I did it on a fake 11s 701 chain I got off Amazon and took a lot of close ups after I split it apart. You’d be amazed at the difference in quality and manufacturing and details that go onto a genuine Shimano chain.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem

      @@GNX157 I have not looked at Shimano chains, never really used them. Biggest issue seems to be getting hold of a genuine chain, the market seems to be flooded with fakes. I even know someone that bought a couple of chains from an LBS and they turned out to be fake, despite the seller swearing that they came from a reputable distributor.

    • @GNX157
      @GNX157 Před rokem

      @@FiveMinuteVelo Definitely go with genuine shimano chain when possible. Their design and engineering is way above any other chain out there.

    • @veganpotterthevegan
      @veganpotterthevegan Před rokem

      ​@@GNX157 depends on the properties you want

  • @renzodutra4286
    @renzodutra4286 Před 6 měsíci +1

    This video shows the reason chain checkers tool are really inaccurate. A much better way is to measure the pins distance using a ruler.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 6 měsíci

      I agree to a large extent. Chain checking tools have their place but you need to know their limitations. Also, believe me, using a rule is not a skill that everybody has.

    • @Fosg8n
      @Fosg8n Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@FiveMinuteVelo😂

  • @veganpotterthevegan
    @veganpotterthevegan Před rokem +1

    Counterfeiting the most ok chains😂

  • @Mounty2010
    @Mounty2010 Před rokem +1

    In my opinion they are all fake products. Even the one you think is genuine seems not to me. The KMC stamping on the links is way to bad quality, like blurry. The real KMC chains have very crisp markings and perfect positioning on the links. Non of your chains have that.
    There is also a different font style used for the "S" of "11 Speed" on the front of the packaging.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem +1

      I wouldn't be surprised, as some of the fakes I've seen since making this video have been pretty good. For me though, as a user, how long the chain lasts is important. What I think is the genuine chain, measured up well when new and lasted quite well.
      I did also look on the KMC website that has a section on how to spot a fake chain. Based on the information KMC gave my supposedly genuine chain didn't ring any alarm bells.

  • @81antiloop
    @81antiloop Před rokem +6

    Both your chains are fake. The one you believe to be genuine is also fake, but a better made one.
    A quick look at the outer plate chamfers are not proud and distinguished. That's an immediate tell tale sign. Next, the branding imprints on both are bad. Genuine ones are crisp, thin lined and really, like really clean.
    Go get a set from a local approved dealer, pay the retail and compare.

    • @2ball434
      @2ball434 Před 6 měsíci +1

      To be fair it lasted pretty long though

  • @paddingtonsnare987
    @paddingtonsnare987 Před rokem +1

    KMC chains being very cheap for what they are in comparison to some of their high end competitors, incredibly good value for money!
    Who cares... Let's fake em anyway 😣

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před rokem

      Yes, I agree, I go for KMC chains mostly because I find the genuine ones last well and are good value. The problem is avoiding the crappy fakes.

    • @paddingtonsnare987
      @paddingtonsnare987 Před rokem

      @@FiveMinuteVelo I've just ordered a 510G, hope it's not a fake 😣
      I used to run a 415. The motorbike fatty chain I believe
      ..broke my sprocket whilst at top of stairs and ripped a hole in my arm, I was running a Renthal sprocket too which I expected to be strong. Lesson learned. Oversize chain is overkill on a BMX!

  • @benstanway3238
    @benstanway3238 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Do you have a libk for the real chain, or the seller name on ali express?

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 8 měsíci

      I bought the chain through the Sensah Official Store.

    • @benstanway3238
      @benstanway3238 Před 8 měsíci

      @@FiveMinuteVelo awesome thanks will look if it's cheaper through them

    • @TimothyTakemoto
      @TimothyTakemoto Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@FiveMinuteVeloAlas, they are not selling KMC chains currently. I am looking for a source of non fake ones. Even Amazon Japan seems to be selling fakes (from the packaging). Thanks again for this video.

    • @FiveMinuteVelo
      @FiveMinuteVelo  Před 5 měsíci

      @@TimothyTakemoto > I bought some chains through Amazon UK. I'm pretty sure they are genuine. I bought them from Amazon, not a seller on Amazon.