How to sound like the 90's Boom Bap - Sampling vs Sample packs
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Try this : chop up a drumbreak, reorganize it , then take out the lows and lower mids , so u just have the air, the groove , the organic structure. Then find drumsounds that work on top of that, and bus all together and start glueing em.
Perfect 👌🏼
To me I call this turning a drum break into a percussion loop. 🎉
I'm Argentinian and watching your videos has improved my English because I pay attention to what you say about beatmaking.
hope I am helping with the beats as well 😆
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@@vrflips whatever helps man...
I found out that a lot of 90's hits are from early sample CDs such as AMG's Black II Black or other sample banks made for Akai samplers (S950, S1000, S2000, MPC2000...) or even more obscure ones made for Ensoniq samplers. Even Michael Jackson's albums are full of these. Also, some very well known hits are just intrumental loops taken from 80's or 70's soul or jazz albums, with little to no modification whatsoever.
I'm so thankful I I started DJing when I did (1981). We constantly searched from drum breaks! That carried over to my producer life.
A lot of the Boom Bap sound also comes from the leftover ambience from using a low pass filter on a part of the record to try and get a somewhat clean drum loop, but you can never quite get rid of the remnants of the other things in the sample.
Always work with drum loops. Chop it up an reconstruct it so you have a new groove. You got a feeling with that who got right in your heart
One thing to think about: these 90s beats that you’re trying to emulate were made IN the 90s. It’s undeniable that the actual era they were made played a part in how they sounded, and today is not the 90s. Also, I’d say the producers making those beats were trying to make something new, not emulate something from 30 years prior.
Thats my thoughts too 🙏🔥
Always learn something new... Blessings Big Marlow!!!
Yo! Lemme tell you, I discovered this “secret” 😆 a while back, and the difference it has made in my beats is remarkable. I could never understand why my beats didn’t have the classic ‘90s feel I was going for. One day, I played around with some well-known classic breaks and BOOM! It was an immediate epiphany. The drums truly make a difference. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! Appreciate your videos as always! ✊🏾
I was listening to a lot of Pete Rock & Eric Sermon this week and was thinking about this exact topic. Great video
Dang. I missed this one. But I got it now! 🙌🏾
Yep drum loops and especially a sp1200 for "that sound"
Thank you for saving me many hours because i recently bought a sp 404 mk2 just to make old skool hiphop beats and i have like 512GB of samples on my sd card but i couldnt get the old skool vibes and now i know why!
The drum sounds in good boom bap sample packs are sampled from drum breaks & one shots on records. And 90's producers were often taking a kick snare & hat, etc, from differebt breaks for their drums. I love a dope break but its no problem using a good boom bap pack to make your own cohesive classic sounding drum loops/ patterns . I wouldnt limit yourself to only breaks themselves, and keep in mind a lot of producers making/selling drum kits also have pro engineering ,various classic samplers & other top of the line hardware like pre amps, compressors, etc that you might not have access to. That said you can also find packs of breaks that are ran thru classic samplers too , which is dope
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There were sample packs back then used by many producers and some of the most famous who still stand to this day are from the Raw Cutz library made by Erik Svahn. The guy is a legend and was from the pioneers of the so called sample packs. Most of the sounds are chopped from records, but the drums are mostly hand crafted and a lot of them are SP12 and MPC layered drums. If you know what you are doing you can make dope grooves with random one shots as over time your listening develops and you can make stuff work just by having a start point and then just using 16 levels to fine tune the drums so they make sense. Put on some air and vinyl crackle and there you go!
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That's a very helpful word. 🙏
not always.. ive had success doing just that.. you are right about loops though.. but you can do it with one shots.. even from diff packs.. tune em to the sample key first.. bus em.. and treat to taste from there with eq, comp, maybe some various dirty-ing techniques.. it can be done..
yeah it can be done but you gotta now what you're doing of course.
I sometimes find amp simulators work well to give a more uniform drum sound. there's one in Renoise with eq, it rocks.
I tend to agree with you.
Especially knowing that in the true purest era of the 90s, all the main producers grabbed those dirty kicks and snares from records.
Sample packs in the 90s?
Maybe. But those packs were samples from records also.
I have this thumb drive my man gave me way back in like 02.
The kits are labeled “Dr Dre” Neptunes”… about 6 other producers.
All dirty drum hits from records.
Thanks for reminding me bro .
A tip I use to get the drumbreak sound is to use a studio style drum plugin instead of samples. You can tweak the sound as much as you want or need, but it's already mixed and EQ'd for you. Some include midi libraries of actual performances on kits too, so the "groove" is there. Then run it through some free plugins like izotope vinyl or chowtape, and you have your own custom built drum break, as clean or crunched up as you want.
There were no sample packs in the 90’s. The closest thing we’re probably sample cd’s like big fish audio. In hip hop everyone steered clear from those bc it was a different era and it was considered wack if you didn’t dig for your own drums. But we did mix and match from different drum loops though. Like snare from impeach the president and kicks from get out my life woman etc…so it wasn’t always 1 drum loop per beats. We definitely mix and match drum parts from different loops. Another way of getting drums was listening to hip hop records and finding open drum sounds. But I would say if you want to sound 90’s then stop using modern plug ins to get “90’s” sound.
Nice 🔥thanks for sharing
Sounds modules were what everybody used mostly. Emu mo phatt, Proteus, etc. Those sample cd's future music magazine put in their magazine had some heat occasionally. Allot of those sounds are in most big name sample packs now and the Emu modules are over 90's-00's rap and r&b albums and even today, just processed to oblivion.
Have you ever used Best Service's Circle Elements? Early nineties DOS program for making beats. Resampling, loops, fragments, chord progressions, the works.
Thank you very much for shearing this, for me it's more important to see you, successfull musician being opened to share this.
Micro-chopping is difficult to impossible. The problem is when you chop tight you take out the air, the ambience and the glue that made the 'drums' cohere in the original mix. you can still do it by adding 'air' - the gaps, the room ambience under your new break. Also careful use of envelope so you don't get 'sucking' noise after hits - some samplers have better envelopes than others in this regard - the way a sound decays naturally. Some samplers, the MPC 3000 for example, seem to capture the 'room sound' of a hit (the ambience) better than other samplers. Or you can achieve by mixing in a room reverb and compressing again - re-engineering.
Micro-chopping in music is rare and like you, i didn't appreciate this until way too late.
Another approach is to take parts of the break, bigger chops, and fill in your drums with it and make something entirely new - RZA did this.
Mixing and matching kicks, snares etc ad-hoc doesn't work.
Thanks for sharing. 🙏🏼appreciate it
"Another approach is to take parts of the break, bigger chops, and fill in your drums with it and make something entirely new - RZA did this"
Someones been payin attention.
That 1st min is what got me. 💯new Sub.
beat was nice.
🙏🏼thanks for tuning in
That‘s right - drums are the essence! Also major key when digging is to simply get inspired by good music. You gather more inspiration from listening to actual music played by actual musicians than clicking through samples made to be sampled. PEACE!
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I agree that the 90’s sound was heavily based on drum loops. Yet, many also used now “vintage” sound modules for their sources as well. When building my lab, I collected vintage E-MU racks for that specific purpose. Working in tandem with vintage samplers and other equipment to reach my desired results. So many paths available in pursuit of that era’s sound. Only limited by own creativity. Keep em coming fam. ✊🏾👑
Gracias, you are the beast ❤
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One of the best videos you ever made. Just informing about where to go and then let people figure it out from there. This is the video I was waiting for in all the great content you provide. I’m gona go chop some drum loops 😎
yeah, I hope people get that feeling as well, thanks for watching 🔥🔥
If you’re making a kit use sounds from the same pack…(my dude told me) for obvious reasons. Drum loops are awesome but sometimes you want your own shit. Mixing and matching packs doesn’t work as well in terms of cohesiveness. Chopping drum loops is dope though.
I wrote this to remind myself
I have to watch this! Let me grab my tea. 😌
Even though everybody says there’s no wrong way, I got the sense early on that using breaks was frowned upon…I’m glad you put this out there. Sample packs (and for that matter, sites like Tracklib) are cool but, I prefer to dig and discover samples over having that part of the process curated. Chopping breaks gives me more of the feel I’m looking for than programming from scratch…I haven’t developed those skills yet to get the same feel with one shots.
Sempre a arrasar, mano. 👊🏻 Obrigado 🙏🏻
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Gracias marlow tus videos me ha ayudado demasiado 🙏🙏
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I do agree that drums are the essence and there where a lot of producers who did use loops but most of the “advanced” producers where simply groove hacking. Nothing to do with looping. This can be done on logic or any other daw. I’m on the 3000 and live 2 but this is Something that the modern MPCs have made quite easy to do actually. I prefer sampling grooves over loops personally. It can be applied to bass lines as well as any instrument from your favorite record. You should make your own version of this technique for your own channel brother. Great vibe explaining the music ✌🏽
Would love to see a video on this.
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Sometimes I don’t even chop a drum loop. Only compression/EQ. If the groove and the vibe is right and fits the sample chop, I don’t care.
Yup sounds right
That’s why I find my Own drums digging through dusty Vinyl !! What ever drum break gets my attention is get that mthffkker ! Then add my own character.
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I think the benchmark for 90’s boom bap drums is still Midnight Marauders…what Tribe did on that record is still virtually unmatched. And as per my understanding there was indeed A LOT of layering involved.
Let me add : Beats, Rhymes & Life and Mecca and the Soul Brother.
thanks for your insight and basic approach.
i havent been able to make beats that sound somewhat good ever and ive made two in the matte of hours.
id love to send to you if youd like if not no dramas ima make more :)
Lately I've been feeling 'un-authentic' because I always sample my loops. Almost like imposter syndrome (even though I'm in love with DnB lately) using loops that other people have made. I'm working on it because I'm still trying to experiment and find ways to make my music my own through chopping, shredding and mangling to experiment and find new sounds and focusing on cool transitions. I think we all go through these phases as artists and I'm not really sure how to deal with it.
We definitely do, and means we are always adapting and changing to new ideas.
Pass it buddy 🙌
I don't agree totally, I started in 1988 and through out the 90's, if you knew how be funky with it,.....you could use any sound you want, not just drum breaks, I saw Erick Sermon do a beat on the E-Mac Ensonic synth with regular kicks and snares, and swore up and down it sounded like a break beat, that's how I learned to get funky with whatever I had?
Thanks 🙏🏼
That’s great talk, thank you for that.
Would you show your approach for drum breaks on mpc? How you go about it?
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my tip...if you wanna learn to sound like the 90's limit yourself to hardware from the 90's. i struggled so hard, finding the right boom bap sound with my daw and all the plugins. my breakthrough came with a used mpc1000. limiting yourself to the workflow that made the sound is the best thing you can do.
I thought the MPC1000 didn't really have a sound. Especially not a ''90's'' sound. It came out in 2003. On a budget, you can use an SP-202, a sampletrak or even a PO-33, if you pitchdown the sample and pitch it back up in your daw. If you turn off interpolation, it helps.
@@sebp400 the sound is not the issue...at least not for me. For me it was the limitation an older mpc came with. Sp's of course give it a gritty aound if you want them to. But in the 90s no one wanted to make lofi music. Boom baps of that era were peak of what you could reach with the hardware available in those days
Thanks Marlow, does it apply to house music too? I don't make hip hop but love all your videos and look forward to them. Thanks
I cant say, never follow that movement. 🙏🏼
Ive made drum and bass with these technques they are talking about here. So it is possible.
Just had a similar revelation in the past few weeks… I’m not in the boom bap space, but I wanted a sound that requires chopping up original drum loops
Hey marlow, awesome video again.
You ever consider doing a video on rating your subscribers beats or smth?
Honestly I don't feel no one needs their music rated. Is not my thing bro 👊🏼 thanks for the idea though
@@mpchead I 100% understand, thanks for the reply too❤
Do you have a video on how you get your samples. I love your Ginga beat tape and I’m just in awe.
I can do a breakdown of that beat.
Do your drums in 16(3 )triplets, especially kicks
I never really pay attention to that. I record everything at 1/16 and then shift and nudge until I hit something I like.
@@mpchead try it out, polyrhythm is a big thing.
I would layer and compress , Eq one layer When I started there weren’t any sample packs My keyboard and drum machine would get sampled and then go from there
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I don't know, but at the moment I am having more fun when I use one-shot samples from different sample packs instead of sampling drum breaks/loops.
I always use sample packs, that's why I don't have an authentic 90's sound.
You can do both and use the samples to add depth or layers to the beat your creating.
I just loop your drum loops, add a shaker,an extra snare on the 8th and call it mine :D
Nice, yeah the idea of adding an extra percussion sound is really good 👌🏼
The key word I heard was GO DIG!
That's it
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How you aproach mixing a song with a drum loop?
Great question. Could separate all the chops and eq them individually or just do an overall mix to the entire drum pattern. It will be a different approach from single hits from packs, gotta adjust to it.
Love me some breaks. But some bros get a lil too comfy just looping everything. At least learn how to chop it. Rearrange it. Pitch shift it. Time stretch it. Do sumpin to it. Make it yours
yeah gotta chop it for sure
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Using sample packs not authentic to make boom bap . People need to dig in the crates ( vinyl ) find good drum breaks , piano, horns and a solid sample to chop from scratch
How to sound like our classic era of the 90s? Laughable smh! Just create records that touch emotions and the soul! Simple
Yea I find that sample packs throw the flow off for me (some of them) .. I agree that chopping breaks is easier to achieve the sound you’re looking for .. ✌🏽🫡