Heated LAND REFORM DEBATE In Parliament - See It All
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Don’t change the constitution. There is a simple way to grow the economy. Stop making it about race. Stick to facts no matter how ugly. History is there to learn from. If you want to double our economy it takes a few simple moves. 1. Kill BEE as it’s based on race. 2: For every person that is hired and registered as a tax payer the company receives a % tax reduction. Government grows tax base and SARS have a new productive member. Company will hire as it’s in there interest. Everyone wins. 3: Have a special court to deal with government corruption immediately and not drag stuff on for years at the expense of citizens. 4. Political parties shouting hatred get there political status removed and dealt with as per the law.
Most people just want to get on with life and move forward. This can only be done by common sense not race baiting.
Bernard Mew I don't agree with your view on point #1, the BEE seeks to include black people into the economic cake, the politicians might have abused it but it remains a fact that most black South Africans who are not politically affiliated also benefited from it.
Sandile Faith Nkuna Unfortunately not everyone can be a director or manager. A manager is only as good as he’s workers. Workers are only as good with good management. Government has everyone believing they are directors without any or little qualifications. Why not work up through a company. Why base it on race? BEE has only enriched a few with massive declines to the poor. As much as I appreciate your view but we need to look at facts. People need jobs not empty promises. Work up through the ranks and it will mean far more to a person. BEE was a fantastic thing to do for 10 or 20 years. Or how long would you like it to go on for before it’s actually just discrimination and racist? Being honest with one’s self is not a bad thing my friend. Own it and do something about it. BEE just doesn’t work anymore.
Sandile Faith Nkuna I see in your pic you got a form of education. I know you worked for that and well done. See!!! Means far more when you work for something. Nothing in life is free.
When u r one of those prieviledged individuals,your perception of reality in SA becomes skew n u tend to think that everyone is in the same level of being prievee as u are...let me tell u,our people have been disadvantaged n discriminated against for so many years to such an extent that the scars n results of tht persecution are still felt today,the constitution shall be amended in order for our ppl to have their land back n work it as they deem fit...as for the BEE it is a form trying to redress the past,to give our peple an economic opportunity,which in the past was only in da hands of few whites tht are priviledged jst like u
Thenjwayo Mzwakhe I hear you but bee is simple not giving people jobs. Surly you can see that? So let’s have bee and have no job? That doesn’t make sense. I get the pain. I get the past. I get all these things. Which one would you like. Provide for your loved ones or have racial laws and not able to provide? This country is so obsessed with color you can’t see logic of cutting your nose to spite your face. Anyway my remarks are on trying to build and give suggestions not fight. Our decisions our children will have to live with. Make sure it for right or wrong not color.
BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS; you cannot trust RAMAPOSA!!!!!,,,,let's see the; BLUE-PRINT !!!!!!!!!
Don’t compensate them this thieves
THE LAND PLEASE NO EXCUSES.THANK YOU VERY MUCH.🙏🙏
Why are South Africans so cowardly... it's your land no compensation of stolen land and stop these endless stupid debates.
Malema all the way. I really like that man ANC are not serious let them give chance to EFF
Land belongs to the people who owned before the colony. Land must be back to the real own.
The land belongs to the one who makes use of it and who can defend it. There is no implicit or natural given property right on land. Only the right of the more powerful group. Africans should know this since they have always taken land from each other since thousands of years.
Yur right by also wrong.lam.frm.kenya bear in mind they are white born in South Africa that's their motherland they need land.the president is right all pple equal right to land
@@wolfgangbreitenseher358 lol. You are either one of the land 'owner' or a very lost person.
President Phosa, this is the first time you have come out with a plan to reform land acquisition in this beautiful country. You have made my day. You must be the only known hope for South Africa. Please give us the hope to continue to trust you since my university days when you were the SG of ANC. God bless you.
SOUTH AFRICANS; vote for; MALEMA, and the EFF; in 2019 RAMAPOSA, may be stalling to win in 2019!!!!!!!
Mandela make things difficult for a future generation he didn't fight for us if he didn't fight for us we supposed to have pirts of land
There is great inequality amongst us blacks ourselves, with rich people like the president and his anc affiliates on one side and gullible poor people in the villages on the other. 😐
Did he just say people have accepted being kicked out of their homes? He's dreaming. This is a recipe for disaster. We simply cannot accept this, the consequences are just too great.
Future known you just barking but can’t bite kkkkk
No no Mr President mention those young people by names including CIC those are the youth .who remind our pple the reason for liberation movement formation
Most of others will not be benefited on that land with compensation. And others they don't understand which kind of land. We talking about.
2021 still no land for the poor Ramaphosa is a disgrace
We do not need title deeds,this is our land n no piece of paper is needed to prove tht its our land...My fore fathers never had a paper to prove tht the land was theirs n why must I now conform to the paper (title deed) of colonists
Do you have a deed? No deed no land , you cant have it. Those are the rules that I have just made up, and I’m backing it up this gun, which was lent to me by Europe 😂😂😂
Mr. Ramaphosa. You should be talking about "the redistribution of confiscated or unlawfully gained land". The language is decisive regarding international trust and the impact that has on the economy. Look at the value of the Rand and what that has cost the country. Look at the number of companies that have decided not to invest in South Africa because of the uncertainty in regard to your theme "Distribution of Land without compensation". The terminology "Distribution of Land without compensation" has a negative cognitive impact and leads to disinvestment. The Government has failed in its promises to provide housing to the majority of South Africans and is now embarking on a road to nowhere situation in order to ensure their success in the next election. There are serious issues with corruption in your Government that have not been addressed. If they were, I am certain, the Government would be able to finance and profit from the new ventures you are proposing. Mr. Ramaphosa, tone down your language and try to be realistic.
China will be happy to be paying everyone with a bowl of rice as payment for a hard days work.
China will take South Africa. I'm sure. It's like with eggs. When the white goes, the yellow remains.
I don't think that the most important question here is how land is expropriated from whomever it is expropriated from; but rather how it will be DISTRIBUTED??? Who is going to get land and how much will they get and who will not get land... Yes some people will get land but the MAJORITY will not because there is simply not enough land to give every black South African land...
We don't want land for ourselves as individuals. We want it to be at the hands of our people. I feel like this made to be very clear.
There it is , so if someone talk sence they make him quiet
Y MAKE THE ANC ANNOUNCEMENT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION??????????????????????
I believe that all of our Black nations should support Africa in getting their land back. I am glad that Africa is standing up for what they deserve. I support it 100%. And to Julius Malema, you are a great leader. All of our people need to see this. I also want to say thank you for opening up my eyes.
is jungle not on the land?
U are real total idiot
can you say zimbabwe 2.0?
just don't run to a "racist" white country when you are starving due to your own actions
@@ginomanshit2365 we had food before whites arrived n we r still the ones working this land,so take out your head from yo behind n start thinking b4 u say sumthng
+Thenjwayo Mzwakhe
your population was also much much smaller,go ahead and go back to the old ways of cannibals and warlords,just stay there with your self created misery instead of flooding into europe or north america
Noticed Ramaphosa never even looks at Maimane when he asks a question. Quite strange.
Did you give people their land back?
Africa belongs to the indigenous Africans. Also, we must not forget about the colonization/(rape, theft, murder, and enslavement) of Africa and the world by Caucasians, that has not been repaid, yet. Meanwhile, there are more than 5 Million African children dying every year from hunger, that's almost 13,700 African children starve to death every day. We should talk about these things.
How indigenous do you want to go? 2000 years ago? 5000?
Life will go on with or without your input. We're just the current flavour.
@@moosesnWoop yes 2000 is a good starting point.
Isaiah Martin racist piece of shit
Why don't want to stop the conflict? Also the european history is based on invasions,expansionism and migrations, an exemple: Roman Empire
@@lovefor6ofthem I only have the Truth. I have no political power, no army, no bombs, no power, I only have the the Truth and a history of racism, hate, enslavement, rape, murder and death from Cacasians. If I'm being racist for telling the truth then I am a that.
To anyone defending this policy: Imagine white people saying the same thing about black people living in Europe. Awful right? Indefensible? People who have lived in SA all their lives COMITTED NO CRIME
Tell me inheriting the stolen property make u innocent?
In this seating, Ramaphosa has yet again convinced me that he has no interest in giving our people the land back. 5 years later our people still don’t have land. Ramaphosa is a true sellout
😅😅😅😅 I don't have comment
When President Ramafoza said "giving lands to our people" he actually means black and white but white not find themselves in this statement because the are in the wrong side of the law. He doesn't discriminate
So getting from whom?
@@dudleykamal4679 getting from the thief we all know who is the TETE guffy
The president want equal.distribution of land fr every one to benefit which is good
So kama will prevale
It's certainly not the blacks in the villages whom many are unemployed and rely so heavily on your social grants 😐
Even Ramaphosa recognized CIC name lol
Term limit
the solution is not to expropriate competent peasants to give the land to people without experience, the solution is to tax the rich to give more at poor people
Ramaphosa is the best thing that *HAS HAPPENED TO ANC* .This guy is a GENIUS
He is a grandstanding Trade Unionist and Politically enriched fiend who seems to know very little about both economics and running a country, and has contributed nothing of any scientific or material value. Hardly a “Genius” as you claim.
Naah.
Side step the question??? Where is your?? Who's she,??? -,why does she not want the role of 1st lady???
And there we just trew away our future. Tnx cyril
If the whites have to give up their land, I the blacks who originally came from outside of SA should also.
SOUTH AFRICANS; ask questions; we wanna see the, BLUE- PRINT, of these; "HOUSES IN THE SUBURBS "; and it has to have at least, 5 hectares of land!!!!!!!
Better to be honest and speak of the social consequences. Ofcourse people wont be kicked out of their homes without a fight. You cannot create anything by taking one person out of their home and putting someone else in, the net effect is the same. One homeless person. Edit: The legislation better include a provision stating that expropriation WITH COMPENSATION will not displace an individual.
That logic was not used when the boers came to SA.
@@derekhcohen7856 The boers were here over 160 years before the great bantu southern expansion and the start of the Zulu empire and the bantu sent people South to work for the boers. If the boers turned them away we wouldn't even be having this conversation, you would be in a neighbouring country hunting and gathering.
@@derekhcohen7856 The boers were in SA already over 160 years before the rise of the zulu kingdom. Also, you forget about the congo-niger bantu great southern expansion.
Who are these people of yours you speak of?
Onteiening van grond sonder vergoeding is kranksinnig.
The President weaves a spell when he talks. It is a style that draws you in to see his perspective as reasonable and the best course of action with his hynotic swaying and cadence. This is a very practiced style. I like the fella, but a man is known by the fruit of his labor.
Is S. African Life better or worse under his leadership?
Can he control his corrupt party?
What isn't he revealing about the China deal and the particulars on land reform. All that isn't good enough. Where is his staff putting orgainizational charts on the screen showing how he has worked out the details and where the money is coming from to facilitate this process. How can this process most effectively reduce the crime rate?
Put the people to work building their communities in massive labor programs. Create an internal credit system for a domestic construction industry. You can redeem them for Rand later, but as long as it stays domestic, you can create an impetus to build a domestic society that can fulfil it's own needs at the core level. You have all the materials, you just need knowledge and it's easy to get a few building professionals and use them as force multipliers. China did this to great effect but you have to taper off your building slowly to allow the workers to transition. This is a very productive use of state assistance monies and you can inject a financial bolus directly into the population. When people are sheltered ,clothed, working and fed crime goes down.
From there you could export this methodology along with a work force across the entire continent.
Get Busy doing something besides talking!
It's been 24 years... why haven't you sent kids to school abroad to get the knowledge you need to properly farm? What are you people waiting on? They can come back and teach thousands. What have they been doing the last 24 years?
Land expropriation without compensation = " ah stuff it, lets just steal it"
Lol
Iam sorry anyone who is given something for nothing and didn't have to work or earn it will lose it in the end
So they will borrow from the bank money on thier land
and if they cant find work or cant make a porfit from framing that land how will they pay the loans back, then they will default on the loan the banks will take it
Malema stripped Maimane apart there😂😂😂
Like he finished him
He stripped him completely 😂🤣😂🤣
He totaly put him in his place lol
Umnyisile
And maimane remained since until the end
No need to change the current constitution, the problem is not land, it is money.We can resolve land reform with constitutional laws and financial tools. For example, create a temporary blockchain currency with a public ledger that will be only legal tender for the purchase of land and give every matriculating South African an equal share of this new currency. Create a free and open trading platform for this new currency; land is constantly being bought and sold so the new currency will be in high demand. Make a law that all land (excluding buildings) must be resold in 10 years time at market value to anybody using only the new currency and the money being used for the transaction must be frozen for a month before the land transaction can be approved to prevent trading manipulation; all transactions will be recorded on a public ledger so anybody can monitor what lands have been resold and for what value with the new currency blockchain technology. You will be allowed to repurchase your own land with this new currency and then be able to sell your new currency into the open market which means over time this new currency will eventually depreciate to zero. Any land not resold in 10 years will be subjected to land tax, property may then be auctioned off to the highest bidder with a court order if the money owed for land taxes falls into arrears. A free, fair and open capital market with private property rights is the only successful path forward.
No read, no write, no maps, no title deeds, no history.
Do you want 5 million whites to leave Africa and 150 million blacks living abroad to return to Africa? If yes then we can start making arrangements with the UN.
The currency wont be worth anything becuase it was given for free without value being transferred.
@talk2me9ja You saying you own all land of this continent just Becuase of the colour of your skin. If that's not entitledment i don't know what is.
No problem, U can make those arrangements with the UN meanwhile... we are busy arranging the land expropriation!!
15:13
you want land they buy land what about your land
😂😂😂😑
no ways
i agree with the one in red! the land should be owned by the state. i'm black american here sending support
Our people need land. We have enough land for 54 million people. Redistribute!
I think you people are beyond hope.
Rsa
I see *alot* of comments saying "Whites were not oppressed in this country so they don't get the land". Wtf. The Boers settled the land. Farms, houses, medicine, improved laws, economic growth and tools were all brought from the colonists. Literally every tribe in Southern Africa (except the Sancoi) migrated to these colonist's space. The food and improved living conditions increased the population tremendously and so a United country was formed. Apartheid was bad but the original idea for it was to keep everyone with their own cultures (which people tend to still do today), so apartheid wasnt the problem, but racism in the government was (giving special privileges to white people). Bottom line, the land was settled by a new nation (boers), they keep the land they worked hard for and died fighting for against the British.
YOU ARE A CLOWN
My president
Bull shit.
Ramaphosia..
if land I'd given to all African then they must take over the bonds of the property that still owes money
It's crazy they let non Africans be politicians in South Africa. So many Indian and white politicians.
Because they are born here and we have an accepting, open and diverse politics in the world.
South Africa is a very democratic country development does not segregate pple on race
I'm one of the people who agree with Malema but not on everything. I believe a coalition between ANC and EFF can work...
Sandile Faith Nkuna , a.n.c must go
Ramaphosa should be the President. He is Presidential in his stance whenever he's in public. No one has said he is corrupt.
Brig back zuma.
Yo CZcams: No MORE of THESE "MY AFRICA" videos please. STOP ALL "My Africa" videos.
ek wil ook net se Ramaposa, jy praat van ons grond, nie jou of jou boeties se grond nie, , jy is mos darem nou nie dom nie, gaan leer jou geskiedenis, jy het jou mense grond belowe en dis waar onstabiliteit inkom want hulle wil dit nou he, jy het dit begin om net seker te maak julle bly in bewind, ons sal nie ons grond afgee nie, jou nasie is die meederheid omdat hulle aan teel soos hamsters, ons het 1 of 2 kinders dis hoekom ons die minderheid is, ons maak nie kinders wat ons nie kan voor sorg nie, julle sou net soveel soos ons gewees het as julle ons selfde waardes gehad het, gee jou plase en grond vir jou mense
Marius Pretorius 😂😂😂We getting the land mei boeta
Your ancestors are settlers. You are not indigenous Africans. Your forefathers came here with nothing. Whether you like or not land will be expropriate without compensation. But we will also give you a piece because unlike you we will share.
@@remigioangelodingashe9161 correct with nothing, and look what they have build, your children is going to a school we have build, you go shopping, driving cars living in houses all created by us, even this thing that you type your nonsense on, was us, you are just looking for a handout, but you are getting nothing, the state will own everything, and you want to give this power to the corrupt thieving anc, I wonder why
ANC your time is limited in south afrika and not even your johnny come lately attempt to reclaim back black people's land from these white usurpers from britian and the netherlands can save you.
They going to destroy what's left of SA
What wound, go learn your history
You are talking nonsense
Now show us who took land your fool, give us the proof, you want to steal our land
Let's share the answer is no, let buy no one willing to sell. This our land as well.
Maimane for president
that will nvr happen, u are using him as face of DA