Joe Rogan & Will Harris: “HIPSTERS” are DESTROYING the farming industry
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- In this clip Joe Rogan and will Harris, (4th generation farmer) discuss the destruction of the farming industry by corporations and "hipsters" and will Harris break down the price to produce his Prodcuts relative to the factory farming industry. Although some products are more expensive it is the quality and care that attracts people towards a cleaner diet including farm sourced meats. from episode #1893 of JRE!
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Joe Rogan - @joerogan
Will Harris - @willharris
Jamie Vernon - @jamievernon
#jre #joerogan #willharris
As a regenerative farmer myself I appreciate his take.
We're pretty small scale but we use rabbits and ducks to keep pests down, and gives us a use for grass etc that are otherwise "waste products". We generate our own compost and fertilizer and are able to feed a large number of families in our local area.
If we need something we don't make, we trade with other small farms so that in network we have no outside need for any outside input. And being in the US South West we have about 10 months for a growing season and can easily utilize greenhouse technology for the 2 other months.
Regenerative Agricultural farming can reduce carbon in the atmosphere FAR more than any of these "green initiatives" because not only does it reduce output but actually removes free carbon in the environment. Plus it's more sustainable long term than the commercial factory method of farming which destroys the soil and leads to dustbowls etc.
Simple crop rotation for what plants input/take from the soil, good bed planning, and maximizing the effectiveness of what naturally occurs, such as microbial symbiotic relationships with the plants etc goes a LONG way.
Yeah but isn't the real argument about a reduction of cost if you're growing a quality product in delivering it locally also the way the money is staying local and the food is staying local
You forgot to add that the food is 3-5x more nutritious. The most important part..
Can we have more Will Harris? I could listen to him explain farming methods all day...
I agree
Sounds like he is from Louisiana never trust a farmer who makes his home in a swamp.
@@kennethb6211 He's from Georgia, White Oak Farms. He did a good video with "Soil Carbon Cowboys" called 1 thousand beating hearts. It's on Vimeo and CZcams now I think.
Me too! I’d like to hear him narrate documentaries.
lol that's really boring.
The only thing that prevents mass starvation is six inches of top soil and timely rains.
You must not live by farms with huge retention ponds, wells, and watering systems... I live I n ga.. rain not needed
Both of which are in decreasing supply.
@@user-sl4ul4nc3t haven’t heard of desertification, I see.
Well, irrigation Is a thing
And conventional farming has made top soil the largest US export ( by volume, I'm guessing) for many, many years, according to Joel Salatin's sources. That and a whole lot more I could say to justify this next statement : plenty wrong with farming, without any hipsters causing problems. I am a former, basically conventional, dairy farmer (for my Dad, until my 30s), btw. , and know enough 1st hand and from years of reading mainstream farming publications like popular industry magazines and newspapers, and vlogs, books, articles and etc. from the more hippy/organic/all natural side. I have seen plenty of foolishness on both, definitely a lot of total BS accusations against the other by the vegan crowd, BUT some not exactly whole truth etc. stuff by conventionals against them or anyone hippy-ish, too. Mostly it's the the average Joe repeating what they've read from their side, clueless as to parts of it which are untrue, only part of the story, twisted or ridiculous. Sorry, rambling now.
The first way to reduce costs for meat and eggs from a regenerative farm is to find one close to you. Our model relies on our customers coming to us. We don’t grow corn but our supplier is two miles away. We lost money for two years and are breaking even now. It’s all family labor, the only machine we use is a small tractor. It’s very very labor intensive. Any profit is put back into our operation. Until our farm store is up we sell to local stores close by. Looking forward to some profit soon!
where are you located?
if you are losing money and breaking even how are you paying your bills? how are you feeding your animals? paying property taxes?
@@diggingupnorth3453 prolly paid off n paid utilities for up to a few years put aside some people save money when they're younger and some cultures put it in one pot and invest !!! Without a mortgage n growth of ur own food life is easier wayyy easier !!! Lol especially when u keep it in the family
You sound like a ....gasp....hipster! Or else this guy is trying to paint you as one. But thats what is going on all around us since covid. Generally we use the word 'homesteader' but the idea is exactly what you state. Like most small businesses, all the money goes to keeping the thing going. Something this guy is deriding because as a FOURTH generation farmer he likely INHERITED all his land, which makes things a lot easier.
But these 'hipsters' are the enemy of corporations and old established farmers. Communities are now producing their own eggs and poultry, not going to the grocery store and buying ill kept 'product' from people who had zero interest in them. Anybody who knows farmers knows you certainly can't categorize them by industry, every one is different. But smaller is always better.
@@blakejohnson3864 yes, that's true, good point. Maybe he means after all operating costs including property taxes and utilities, ect. I didn't think of it that way
As one of the people who doesn’t look like him, or have a similar life story, but hangs out with him and talks shop at the conferences about how we solve these problems together, I really don’t think he is saying what the title says he’s saying.
Absolute love Joe's respect for Will ... You have all the time in the world, Sir.
Lull a patient man
what a good ole boy
I just moved to Georgia and went to visit his farm. Beautiful....and at first glance, you can feel it is different than anything you've encountered. We bought a ton of grass fed meats to take home and had a few burgers from their kitchen. Fantastic. I'd encourage everyone to go see his farm and take a tour. Its really eye opening to how destructive we are with current farming methods.
A lot of the food from his farm is available at whole foods throughout the mid Atlantic (my region). Hopefully the one near me has some.
@@Mr-pn2eh I'm not sure if its still in there. Last time I didn't see any, but if you can't get it, there are plenty of other good options! Best of luck!
@@Mr-pn2eh Natural Grocers and Sprouts also carry regenerative agriculture and organic items.
One of the BEST episodes in a long time. Capacityyyyy
Agreed, definitely a guest that needs a part two. Knowledgeable, personable and has something to say that we all need to hear.
What's destroying farming is out of area investors buying farmland. Once pension funds and billionaires own all the land in rural America it will start looking like the hunger games in this country
Braindead take. The land will continue to be farmed regardless of ownership. Modern industrial farming practice involves the farmer renting a large portion of land being farmed.
@@thomas7365 That's the way they did in Ireland back in the 1800s You should watch the movie Far and Away and look how good their lives were. Even if you make $200,000 a year the tax code takes half the income of ordinary people so they can't buy land but somehow the Bill Gates and all the other billionaires they got plenty of money to buy farmland because they don't pay the same amount in taxes Even Warren Buffett says he pays a lower percentage in tax than his office employees so take your brain dead comment and stick it
Bill gates has bought thousands and thousands of acres.
When referred to his costs being x% percent higher than industrial he forgot to account for all the externalized costs of big ag: poor health, environmental degradation costs, increased health care costs, costs on infrastructure, etc. Regenerative/Organic/ Sustainable farming doesnt pass the buck. Factory farming methods are only cheaper cause the tax payer foots the bill. Your taxes go to subsidize corn, soybeans, wheat. That all goes to commodity crops ie grains. Grass and grazing animals receives zero subsidies, of course the farmer and consumer has to pay more for the food!
bullshit, the biggest budget in the USDA is food stamps. his method costs 300% more and few are willing to spend that much more.
I'll tell you out of all the shows I've watched /listed to, this man blows me away!!
people need to start asking themselves, how much did i spend on whole foods (minimal processing, not the store)
then ask yourself how much did i spend on phones, internet, gaming, gambling, alcohol. and all the rest of modern life's essentials.
If you look at the effort it takes to grow food and get it to your table, it it pretty cheap, but you need to remember that the big grocery chains are making huge profits while the producers have to keep cutting costs because the chain stores dictate the price.
If you consider how big a farm needs to be for a farmer to make a living these days , it is obscene. They are forced to grow more and more food for less profit each year. which means more industrial inputs and chemicals.
food production is now being driven into the hands of multinational corps. and we all know how that ends up going.
just my observations.
from Australia
It's by design
This man gives me hope!
Mr Harris is a man that knows his craft. Can't wait to listen to the whole episode.
When he pronounces argue "argyuh" i can't handle it. I love the way this man speaks. Beautiful.
Those Wiley hipster and their monocultures. I don’t think Joe hit the mark on that one.
I think this is one of the most interesting conversations he's had and most important topic too. A point that wasn't mentioned was what Sahd Guru brought to the show. The current farming system is actually destroying the land. The bacteria biom in the soil is dying due to the fertilizers.
joe this by faaaar your best interview and will harris is very very wise
the fun part about running out of land, this management system has it's eyes on using deserts. literal deserts, where other methods are leading to using more and more forested land.
China is actually buying huge amounts of land in the Sahara desert lately.
Its large multinational companies and governments driving smaller farms out of business that are destroying farming
Thank God for guys like Harris... I never knew there were guys like this around
Honestly it depends on what state and where at in the state. Where I live in Oklahoma plenty of guys like this but it’s not everywhere
This guy is a gem. Very interesting stuff, shifts the whole paradigm of how we think about farming.
We own an organic beef operation and he is 100% right it’s at least 30% more to operate our cattle operation that it is for the industrial method but they’re literally putting in hormones and medicated antibiotics every time they eat it’s full of it in their food basically just eating steroids and antibiotics and if you think that doesn’t affect the meat you’re eating you’re crazy our cattle don’t get as big don’t grow as fast but it’s 100% natural organic in your body process is the meat way better and it taste way better and the cattle live twice as long in a non-stress healthy environment then stacked on top of each other in knee-high shit just waiting to get a rod in the head
proof
And less pollution for our local water all around the country literally! or else if we dont change then were gonna be extinct soon disgusting for ourselves water poison literally
@@victorhopper6774Who are you the corrupt government!??
@@user-sf3qs1mq3j the gov outlawed steroids in beef years ago
This is exactly why more guys have man boobs now and 9 year old girls are getting periods. It’s messing up everyone’s hormones.
Could you make the title accurate please? The title should read "how hipsters and good ole boys are saving farming". What's more important to you the click bait title getting 1% higher yield in views or the quality and understanding imparted to the viewer? The title is literally opposite of what's said.
Good cut of the video, title very misleading.
The $1/pound chicken from a “corporate” farm has MASSIVE hidden costs! Too many to go into in a comment. 1) health consequences 2) corporate welfare from government 3) congressional corruption 4) fraudulent weight (plumping)....on and on and on.
would love to see more organic farmers on no-till, knf, jadam
Untill technology improves you are either no till and not organic or organic and minimal till. No till is good for the soil but requires a ton of chemicals.
I'm so blessed to live 40 miles away from white oak pastures. I only buy thier beef from whole foods and the quality is excellent. Mostly 90/10 grass-fed beef but there's usually around 15-20% fat despite it saying 10. Thier steaks are great, extremely lean but fresh.
I agree but I wouldn't say hipsters are undermining the multi billion dollar highly subsidized US agriculture sector lmao
How are corporations considered hipsters?
It should be noted that historically chickens were kept for egg production and only themselves consumed rarely instead of being kept for meat production.
Sustainably farmed food costs more than food laden with glyphosate, hormones and antibiotics -- but if we factor in the costs of poor health maybe the numbers look different.
Exactly
We need more of these guys.
Sadly he’s a dying breed watch the world goto ABSOLUTE shit when the men n women like him are gone
Am i the only one who felt the title for this was misleading?
Same here lol
Again thanks for having this guy on--smart and down to earth. However, it would be nice not to put labels on people like hipsters. And no this isn’t cancel culture. It’s about not needing to put people into boxes. Too much of that stuff in this world.
As far as egg production, I would like people to be aware, that chickens in industrial production live horrific lives. Cages stacked on top of cages 5 high. Their waste at the top dropping down on the chickens beneath. They live and die in the cages. I worked in a chicken house for a few years while I was in high school. 286000 chickens were in the house. If you can afford to, please buy eggs from cage free or free range producers.
sounds like we need to develop low-cost alternatives to industrial techniques for smaller scale farming then
Hipsters are getting into doing that, its CORPORATIONS that destroyed farming.
Research regenerative agriculture and permaculture. Also food forests.
I only want Will Harris all day every day.
Nowhere in this clip do either of them say Hipsters are destroying the farming industry or anything even close. Nice clickbait title.
They didn't really get into hipsters ruining farming huh?
Hipsters to him I think are the modern farmers
So farmers with degrees are hipsters?
@@pablozee6359 no that's not what he is saying.. what he is getting at is the management of the land, soil environment around them..
This is just a tiny snippet but if you listen to the whole he talks more about the hipsters. He doesn't hate them at all. He says they are the only ones trying to do this style of farming. He also says they are all unhappy because they are "trying to save the world" where as he only feels responsible for his workers and consumers.
It's just a clickbait title.
He literally says that the only other people doing the type of farming HE IS DOING are hipsters and he then says he’s probably a hipster. He then goes on to explain the type of farming big agriculture is doing. The title to this video makes no sense at all.
He said- 'I probably ain't a hipster'
Great interview, love Will
Love this episode
Deep admiration and respect for Will! 🐊🦅🇺🇲❤️
Current industrial farming is largely inefficient, unethical, unhealthy, unsustainable, and a massive public tax burden. If we don't change it, we're doomed.
LOVE Harris, but why the whole click baity "hipster are destroying" bit? That's not remotely what he's getting at in this clip. Harris just makes an observation that few who engage in his farming practices are culturally similar to him. He instead comments more about how industrial ag are the ones making "feed the world" arguments and he goes on to refute those one by one. That's VERY different from an anti-hipster tirade. I hope some of you realize how much this headline is an attempt to play into Rogan viewers' mistrust and disdain for those whom they don't see as "on our team". Dumb--- but hey, that's the internet.
Get this guy and Joel Salatine cmon!!
He says the only other people doing the type of farming he's doing are hipsters. I don't undestand that lack of wanting to ally with those hipsters against the corporate industrial model. Teaming up to help spread the message about the ills of the industrial model seems like a decent idea... unless putting aside differences in pursuit of a common goal isn't something either wants to do.
Joe needs Dr Grant Woods and Will Harris together!!0
Throw Joel Salatin in there too.
Wow, this guy is so right. Well said. Thanks, Joe.
Minerals are also a major part of the feed. Grass hay and minerals to be exact.
Will Harris is using a Systems Model to understand his production. It looks for the feedback loops, it is aware of the inputs and outputs and is always working to make a more sustainable system as a result.
I’m a hipster who buys a lot of food from white oak pastures!
I think it was a clickbait title. Def a miscommunication at least.
loved this... how can i help?
I live in a small farm and community and watch all these hipster farmers move in and take over farms after these industrial farmers have retired and they are not real farmers, they simple do not know how to farm correctly, their animals are sick, they have more waste than anyone I’ve seen as they grow but don’t have someone to sell to, so most of it ends up in the compost pile, its a real shame. They all want 10x the amount for a tomato as well. No-one is going to be buying 1 tomato for $5.00. There has to be a in between.
Will Harris Regenerative Beef system is Epic!
Unsustainable nonsense.
@@delvictor7570 ha what do you know.
@@SHANONisRegenerate I raise cattle and I’ve seen how these regenerative cattle guys operate and it’s a bunch of nonsense to make people think they care. They generally end up supplementing with some kind of mass produced grain in the end anyway because purely grass fed beef isn’t very good.
@@delvictor7570 thats a load of shit
Haha nope. Those guys almost always supplement.
I don’t know if joe has had Joel Salatin on but. This is the future of farming.
He’s been on twice, great episodes
He sounds like a Kentuckian he has that nice Col. Sanders voice
man i always wanted to be a hipster😅. I am right in that generation, right in that age hahaha. But I never was! Can’t grow a beard, wasn’t able to become snobby enough about hipster indie folk music which I liked a lot, but also really enjoyed 1990’s rap metal and regular metal and rap and country too. Could never pull the trigger on trying to afford the hipster fashions because I’m a oenny pincher by nature😂. ayyyyeeee but for a while there.... in college, circa 2009, yes I was quite enamored with some of the hipster things. And I personally think it’s just like anything else.... there’s shitty hipsters and decent hipsters and all in between just like most or all other groups of people.
I pay more for grass fed/grass finished beef because it tastes better and, in my opinion provides a better quality of nutrition, i.e. it is minus all the added hormones and fillers found in feedlot beef. I do the same for chicken, when I can find it. I also find, personally, that better quality beef is more satisfying, so I don't eat as large a piece.
"WHAT we have herah, IS failure --- to communicate, some men you just can't reach..." :)
This is how change will happen, not with government mandates and down forced change. He makes it exciting and appealing..and practical!
the funny thing is you cant even feed more people per acre than a proper ecosystem farm with a monocrop industrial farm, the yields and layers and abundance are unmatched when you do it properly
this guy is a fuckin gem man lemme say
This man's way is a better way for sure, no doubt at all. But it doesn't follow the insane, unsustanable, more faster cheaper model that drives more profit, faster and cheaper.
Who needs farms when we can just go to the grocery store...
"The world has a carry capacity".
Why so few people understand something so simple???🤯
Partially because people have different ideas about what that is
Personally I don't know but don't think we've hit it yet seen as (in my country atleast) the majority of people are not starving
& there wasting food
Because it's nowhere near its capacity relative to how much resources are wasted. Also, look at population trends -- most of the west is in negative growth.
@@RohannvanRensburg yessir
@@RohannvanRensburg
There are too many people, we need to stop having children
We need more people, we need mass immigration.
The doomer motto.
I have to admit that his main point is true. Too many people.
It's quite simple. grass fed beef takes longer to get to weight and for grass fed to work you have to use the right breed that gains fat marbling getting finished with grass or hay. "finished" means being in a stockyard getting fat and getting larger for the meat to be a certain size. And grass fed beef does not have the flavour profile we want.
It’s the flavor profile you’re used to. For many grass fed beef is much better than feedlot cattle
@@karlsapp7134 Let's get it straight, grass "finished" beef is not consistent and can have off flavors, be stringy and is breed dependant. All this talk about grass fed is gaslighting the public into poor off tasting cuts of beef. There are producers who take grass to the seed stage, cut and bail that seed and then use that to finish the cattle. They do this to get closer to the profile corn gives you while keeping the upcharge for grass fed.
@@bayareaartist999 Tell me you don’t have a clue about forages without telling me you don’t have a clue.
You can’t put weight on cattle with grass that’s gone to seed. Cattle don’t digest lignin.
Different breeds of beef have different meat and flavor profiles. Grain feeding evens that out to a flavorless cut of meat.
Customer preferences do not equate to better quality. That’s why bland fast food is so popular in the USA
Something not touched on in this clip is food security - most of the base inputs that are not oil derived come from outside the US, and are concentrated in a few nations, some of which are at best neutral and more often hostile to the US. Case in point - one of the major inputs for farming is Ammonia, and Russia accounts for 22% of world exports.
Also around where I live anyway in Northern Minnesota is finding a farmer who will sell to you they would rather truck their beef to the cities where they can sell for prices that are twice what we pay up here which I can't blame them for.
Thanks Joe...
Please have Gabe Brown on your show- he’s closed all the loops and done it in Bismarck, North Dakota.
“Regenerative” agriculture has been debunked already. The peer review of Harris’s own study (Ecosystem Impacts and Productive Capacity of a Multi-Species Pastured Livestock System ) concluded that although “regenerative” agriculture does in fact reduce up to 66% the emissions it would take 2.5 more land. So no.
Rogan needs to get Joe Salatin on his show.
Anyone with the ability to conceptualize, and apply reason, can see that ultimately there will one day be no more fossil fuels to burn for energy. Coal, natural gas, oil, these will eventually be depleted. Long before the point where fossil fuels cease to exist, their cost of extraction, and their rarity, will make the cost of using them prohibitive for food production as farmers currently use them.
Another thing to consider in the industrialized, commoditized, linear, vertically integrated food production model that *Big Ag* controls, is that most of the inputs are subsidized by the federal government. The prices of diesel fuel, gasoline, kerosene, lubricants, nitrogen fertilizers, phosphorus, potassium, lime, corn, soybeans, wheat, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, nematocides, antibiotics, have all been kept artificially low in price in order for consumers to be able to purchase *Cheap Food.*
If the subsidies were eliminated immediately, then Will Harris's model of raising beef cattle would be very close in cost, if not slightly less expensive, then the *Big Ag* model.
I dont get it. I figured hipsters would be into regenerative farming.
The title is kinda confusing. Funny thing, he literally says the only other people doing the type of farming he's doing are hipsters. I don't undestand that lack of wanting to ally with those hipsters against the corporate industrial model.
It's just a clickbait title.
We are definitely not close to a lack of acres..
when it comes to farming land is not land.
There is a certain percentage of the planet that is suitable for farming, and its a very low percentage.
Do we have a shitload of unused land? oh of course, we could fit the entire human population into the sahara desert with a bit of creativity and engineering.
Cant grow a fucking thing out there though.
How do you come by?
I knew he was from Georgia! 👏🙌
Anyone else notice how only old people say let me ask you this and then dont ask a question
He is clearly a smart man, but his making fun of Stuart Varney wasn't fair. He went on a 3 minute segment and then wanted to give a 15 minute background instead of just answering the questions. Just like here. He's one of those guys that you can't pop into the office and get a yes or no answer from.
Industrial sees how much they can stress animals to get the highest profit. I don't like the way industrial treats animals and would gladly pay more to know they were treated humanely
I prababley ain a hipster
Okay, be aware, this is an honest man-so listen to him
Will should consider voice over work
Well, if I am not mistaken, that sounds like a Georgian accent. It is very appeasing to the ol ear holes. Also, what a great topic!
Clickbait headline - all I heard is him saying that most people in the regenerative farming space are hipsters (Joe's word) vs good old boys like him, although he goes on to admit he is likely a hipster himself. I didn't hear anything about hipsters doing anything, much less something destructive.
This guy should be balanced with a guy like IowaDairyFarmer ASAP.
replace “hipsters” with corporate america
I wonder if the Liver king would consider Will’s system of farming
I just wish he would've brought a nice chicken egg and set it on the table.
Why doesn't White Oaks beef say grass finished?
I’m confused. How are hipsters ruining the farming industry when they are the ones supporting the same efforts sustainable as Will. He even hires them.
I will always be ok with paying for quality. I’ve lessened my consumption of meats and eggs by half so those “bougie eggs” and “grass fed pasture raised” will last me double the time now. However feeding a large family I can see the issue with this.
They aren’t. Will never said that. Bull shit clickbait video title.
And it's complete BS. He thinks he's the only good old boy, anyone that knows anything about regenerative ah knows that's not true. Greg Judy, Gabe Brown, Joel Salatin, Jim Elizando, etc etc are all good ol boys. And the "hipsters" are just gen x, millennials, and gen z, who are coming in now. And there were people doing things for many many years .
@@tsousley18people just dont like the vibe of the hipsters. Maybe its their approach or maybe its their attitude. Maybe its their intolerance for everything
We know industrialized farming is the only way to sustain the massive cities we have these days.. bc thise cities only occurred after industrialization lol
I had zero interest in farming until this man started talking
As a symbolic microbe, I agree wholeheartedly…even though as a microbe 🦠 I do not have a heart.
More rabbits, less chickens.
*fewer.
What is a hipster? Why is this Rogan so popular? How come nobody reads books anymore?
Capacity can triple if we terraformed the degraded and desertified 4 billion hectares. Loess China cost 14$ a hectare, 300% income increase plus health and year round water.❤😂
Growth patches ... wtf