Best Frozen Orb Pit Pushing Build | Jon Snow
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Table of Contents
0:00 - My Current Gear
05:52 - T81 No Holy Bolts (Forgot to have Burning Hydra on)
09:54 - T81 boss kill (missing 1.3x in multis)
12:06 - Skill Tree (Forgot Burning Hydra Points at first)
17:56 - Paragon
21:47 - 104 Mob Section (Holy Bolts)
27:00 - 104 Boss (Skill Issue death at 50% health)
EDIT: STORM SWELL is also bugged, replace with conceited
I took this build from being hard walled at T63 to being able to clear T100s. Optimized to the moon for Boss damage, but she is approaching her limit around T104 until they lower the bosses health or fix the 1 shot mechanics.
Sorcerer is basically a poverty class this season.
Everyone else's Frozen Orb build wrong. I see firebolt enchant, frost nova enchant for stagger. I see conditional damage everywhere, control glyphs, cold damage tempers, and shredding blades lol (doesn't give 1.3x damage). You need Ice blade and frozen orb enchant and close damage tempers as they have a higher value. Firebolt enchant is an absolute throw when Summoned Hydra can give you all the single target burning you need as mobbing isn't a concern.
Ice Blade Enchant carries the build by providing immense cooldowns when face tanking bosses. Ice Armor and Flame shield cooldowns are incredibly important. I opted for lucky hit chance to heal over flame shield duration as I would run out of potions otherwise. This build requires extremely good gear to make it strong, but at the end of the day it will still have worse boss damage than both Immortal Firebolt and Blizzard. Sorc is pretty down bad, but I try.
In my opinion, Frozen Orb is more fun to play and more visually appearing, you just need to temper your expectations and set a goal of a T100. You cannot hard carry tormented duriel/andariel with this, but you will definitely hold your own and not be a carry. If your group has decent DPS you are not a detriment and runs are smooth once it is online.
The 104 attempt shows proof of concept, it's just execution. I cleared 101 with a lot of time to spare to unlock 3 tiers. I had the time to finish the boss on this run. One mistake and your insta dead. I don't know what Blizzard was thinking with Pits, but this isn't it. Please let me apply crowd control tags to bosses and unstoppables and stop capping all our multis and tying them to crowd control. Blizzard created a boss meta and didn't adjust the class to work well within it. - Hry
how many damn times did i say Like jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez LOUISSSEE
Must be from the mid west. How do you keep your mana up so much? Is it the conj roll on the amu? I have huge mana issues on mine
Like.. a lot!
Love the casual yet detailed no bullsh*t explanation of the build. This is definitely the strongest one ive seen, will be upgrading my frozen orb build accordingly for sure!
good one
Glad to see you refining the Frpzen Orb build. I am running one this season too and I am languishing down around Pit 40 with only 4 Masterworks on each gear piece and running no fire skills as usual (except when Hydra spawns). I know when I try to push higher I will have to go full cheese and use everything that I can. My gear is also sub-par with only two items having more than 1 enhanced stats. So, getting better gear is my first priority before pushing higher Pits. So far, mana has been my biggest weakness but I made some adjustments and seem to have a handle on that. Now I need to work on damage dealing.
This has been the most enlightening and overall helpful FOrb build guide I have watched. I feel like I actually understand things so much more now. Thank you!
Great build! thank you for sharing helped me make a better set up for my current load out. Acquiring GA and masterworked Gear made a difference too though I was lacking in those
its a struggle man, super hard to get good gear, then you gotta get through the tempering which is a nightmare
Hey Lurkin, just wanted to stop by and say thank you for your build! I was hard stuck at T75 in the pit following the Maxroll guide, and thank to yours, I'm pushing T95 so far with the same gear!
Glad I could help!
thanks for this. i felt a little lost after finding out everything that's bugged/broken with vuln damage rn and was waiting to see an updated build for pushing t100 and killing uber lilith.
Such a fun build, thanks for posting this up. Ditched POS lightning build after finding this one lol
Nice looking build!! Thanks for turning the atk # ticks on 😘
a rare sighting ngl
Lurkin, you deserve way more attention. Swapped over from Norths Build to yours and its waaaaaaay more better, especially because of the Barrier Generation. Thanks for all the time & effort you put into theorycrafting.
I am swapping to Lurkin's from North's too. I hit a wall doing P40 where I always die with Noth's despite all my gear being 5/5 desirable stats (no ubers yet) - barrier uptime is very low and cooldowns are never available. Hope this build is better, luckily the stats on gear is very similiar!
actually a great build. I was missing something. I didnt know what it was. But this swap to this paragon and skill setup was what I was missing to get to where I felt I was supposed to be. GG Nice build.
its so good rage gaming copied it :D
Hey sir , I tried your build and it works like a charm 🎉🎉🎉🎉. Very good work
Glad to hear it!
Great build, I was struggling with another build, switch to this one and it is superb.
once you hit a wall around T100-104 you need to build the immortal version, or just do that off the rip. working on it now
Or switch to Blizzard build, it melts bosses in seconds
Thank you for the guide!
Great build! More impressive, is the technique of play. I’m topping out at 60’ish at master working on weapons and jewelry up to 7 or 8/12. I’m gonna mess around with my boards some, and also change up a skill or two (and maybe aspect).
I can say, this is the best version of Frozen Orb I played yet.
Cleared pit 93, carried 3player Tormented Grigoire and 2player Tormented Duriel.
lies, so many lies
@@Azraelsky1 not possible with this spec or why?
There no way you carried Uber Duriel or Grigoire with this builds pitiful single target damage.
@@diobrando4914easily. skill issue?
@@riley6040 this build doesn't even have the bossing damage for solo, like what?🤣
The casualness of the video man… I’m dying laughing…. You’re insane and I like it
Спасибо за подробное объяснение билда. Лайк!
thx for that video. brings a lot of good content. in your description - I don't know what Blizzard was thinking with Pits, but this isn't it - for me pit is something - a test - we don't need to be best there - just carry on.
im a bit over it myself. Im burnt already. i actually fall asleep
Went from barely doing 30 pits to farming 60s. Your the goat!
thanks!
Ok, now the real question. What's up with refreshing on Mobalytics? Half the time it brings up an outdated version of the build and half the time the builds are moving around from A-> S -> A tier. It's like if you click on a link a different way they are resolving to different versions of the build
Yeah, it really sucks and I'm surprised that it's not being talked about more
Hey question, since you mention how bossing is the hardest (since you don’t do real dmg until it’s cc)
Did you think of playing exploiters for the 1.4 during the non cc phase ?
Awesome video, as always. Just moved to Forb and shako dropped yesterday for me. Life is good 😂 Any priority order for upgrading glyphs? Thanks again for all ur content!
I don't include a priority order because it is very easy to upgrade them now
Saw you changed the blizzard build on maxroll, any chance we can get the old one back as ive been following it and its been working for me
Congratulations, your videos are very good, one question, how can Vyr's mastery work if it causes multiplicative damage in your shock abilities?
I might be wrong but it's not about the extra damage output, its about the damage reduction and face tanking a bit better from Vyr's
Thanks for the build. She's super! With topazes in my head and legs, I close the 102 pit, but with a creak for 6-7 minutes.
Tell me, I knocked out Shako yesterday, started using it and it feels like the assembly has become weaker. In the Standard Pre Users and Standard Users builds, are there differences only in shako and the ring of heaven? Or do they need to be used in conjunction, and only then will there be an effect?
Shako should make things way better because of the ranks and 20% damage reduction. Starless just solves your mana issues, but your attack speed suffers
Very good explanations. I feel so weak with this build.
Awesome build bro esp the MWing 👍
Are u sure Vyrs is bugged tho? Says ur Shock skills and TP counts as one, maybe it activates once U tp? I haven't tested yet but U probably know
can you explain why concentration vs everliving? Everliving gives you 25% and everything is crowd controlled/vulnerable with orb right?
That's what I wanted to ask too
Hi, great build, I follow your guide on mobalytics. Since the build variants changed a bit since your video came out, I have a few questions, if you have the time (Im in the very endgame now using the maxroll Immo-variant and I'd like to understand better and deep dive a bit):
1.) Maxroll copied your Immortal Vyr build, but there are some small differences: Your variant has some points in defensive things, for example Mana Shield in the skill tree (instead of Precision Magic) and on the starting paragon board you put points into resistance to all elements (on the right side of the glyph). Maxroll also uses the Control glyph, whereas you use Enchanter and there are some more small differences in the paragon setup and skill tree. Since this build goes for permanent FS, why do you have points in these defensives? Can you please explain those differences?
2.) You have two variants for "Immo Vyr", stating that the second one is "smoother". I can see that the paragon boards are a bit different, dropping Winter for example, but I dont really understand what makes the second one "smoother". Can you pls explain what you mean by that?
Also, for the first Immo Vyr variant you write that you need to "fish" for bosses with adds. Why is that? Is that something that becomes important when pushing? Because at the moment I am farming 101s and none of the bosses are a problem, even the ones without adds?
3.) Maxroll puts one Cold damage temper on the items for Frigid Fate, you don't. Do you reach the cap with only the paragon boards? I tested on the training dummy without my gloves on (with maxroll paragon board) and with Mobs I reached the cap because of Winter, but when Bossing I stayed on 26%. What are your thoughts here?
Thanks a lot for taking the time, liked and subbed, even in case you dont answer :D
Would you take a 2x GA on fractured where its CR/Skills but lowest % on unique stat or no GA with 2 skill and high % on unique stat(Chance on frozen orb cast etc)
i like you build i play ball lightning for now my next char is gonna be frozen orb im totally a fan of enchanter glyph aswell since it does give lots of non phys dmg also it gives elemantar resistence and with the new uber unique you reach cap 81% all which is real important. what i dont like is kinda using tactician over territorial since you build a close one frozen orb build else the paragonbaord looks good :) also for early gameplay using blizzard as enchantment will fix mana issues alot since it does reduce the cost by -20%
hey man, nice build and explanation. is there any chance to try Tyrael's?
tbh not realy. because the next step iin the build to get past the T104 hardwall is immortal sorc. check the variants tab!!! Im masterworking my gear currently and should push to 105+
ive gotten 2 winterglasses. one is +2 conj mast with bad roll on the effect but the other is the opposite with high roll but only +1 conj mast which would you say is better for now till i get one with both?
Hello can you please tell me the formula for mana generation?
I know that lucky hit chance is skill chance. So for example if the skill reads 20 percent chance to give you 15 mana when hitting a vulnerable enemy and you have 30 lucky hit chance the formula is .20 times 1.3. So how does mana generation work? Because for that skill of 15 mana would I be getting an extra 10 percent of that if I have 10 percent mana generation? Or would mana gen only work for mana regeneration? WowHead and youtube generally did not show me exactly how mana generation worked or what the formula was. So I am not sure how good it is in your build because I do not understand it.
Yo, great details, ty. Replace Tactician with Territorial in mind?
You actually could if you want to get tankier!!! Would lose burning DR tho
Great build I changed from Chain Light to this. Can you tell me why not use Raiment of the Infinite ? I'm using it rn and it so good with flame shield.
on a regular build you become pretty squishy. and tibault's is safer and more damage plus mana regen. didnt find a need for raiment, i dont see a need for it on a lot of builds. on immortal, flame shield duration tempers take that slot
Hey Lurkin! Do you have a discord by chance? I wanted to see what your thoughts were on pure Hydra with Tyraels, less Tele/conjuration focused
i just made a variant with that
You are a T100 PP congrats!!
Hello mate
Have you tested the damage from icefall and friged fate?
I saw a video that they don’t work, but this is of course in words)
icefall works, frigid is actually 15%
i think what would really help with damage is first to get conjur glyph for more conjurotion 20% duration is huge i reach up to 15 sometimes 16 with that + esu and esu does help with cycling abilities so more flame shield for bossing
I only use conjurer on ancient flame variant of this
Where can I find the old Ball lightning Zeus tank build? I was doing it but you updated it today, and I'm pretty good now, I don't want to redo mine yetWhere can I find the old Ball lightning Zeus tank build? I was doing it but you updated it today, and I'm pretty good now, I don't want to redo mine yet
Tibaults will is a waste. Just get 20 minimum mana regen from a pluss 5 mana pr sec affix. Then conjuration tempering ice shards. If you can keep 10 minimum conjurations up, then mana is on auto. Allso offcourse drop vulnerable on orb. The lightning spears does it for you. Get mana there. Opens up not needing tibaults. Edit; wrote before I saw the pluss mana mentioned.
Are you sure starless skies are better than a really good normal ring with aspect and tempering?
Avalanche gives you alot of mana aswell.
I agree about the rings. But what do you propose to put instead of tiba? at least they give us 20% multiplicative damage, which is so lacking in frozen orb build
@@belodor3399 I want to know how to get "Unstoppable"? I just know Teleport and Flame Shield.
@@belodor3399 Normal item/ansestral, with int as greater affix, and then 2 others depending on what you need. this will allso give you a good defensive or utiluty aspect to put on it.
@@jun0953 we can have good cdr so its easy to uptime buf by teleport spam, also it gives us more def by teleport passive talent
@@baldis12 i have around 1700 int without legendary pants.. and the more intelligence we have, the less efficient it is to gain it..
more survivability is pretty useless.. uber bosses don’t damage until u get 5+ stacks, after that they’re just a one-shot. in a high pit (95+ in boss room) it hurts so much that it absolutely won’t save
great guide, thanks! damage numbers cover half the screen though, it makes no sense to keep them on
yeah i turn them off, people get upset tho cuz they want to see what the damage is
I have a 2 GA Fractured Winterglass at Non-Physical Damage and Ranks to Conjuration. Upgraded my Fractured Winterglass to level 8 and got the level buff on Ranks to Conjuration and now it is sitting at +4. With my Shako, I am pretty OP right now lol
thats a nice setup you got going, nice winterglass man
Hey! I really enjoyed your work!
can you re upload the previous build of incinerate on mobalyc pls (incin + hydra) idk why you changed it yesterday but the build is empty of paragon etc
fixed, i can redo the hydra variant if people liked that
@@Lurkin17 thx! the hydra variant was the one i followed (pretty much fun to play)
I have a question that my boyfriend and I are confused about. He has a winter glass amulet with a greater +3 to conjugation mastery. He hit his first masterwork 4/12 on it and it still shows +3. Shouldn’t it have gone to a 4? If not, how many times does he have to hit it and what is the highest it can go? 4 or 5? Strange winterglass doesn’t work the same as other passives on amulets. Almost like it was intentional
GA conj mastery will go 4 ranks with 1 or 2 Masterwork hits at 12/12. It needs 3 hits to go to 5 ranks. so basically hit conj mastery 3 times, or hit conj mastery once, and cooldown twice. these are your options
I’ve seen people running frozen orbit on a staff for 120% damage on 2/3 of attacks instead. I know wand and focus have a higher attack speed and you get cooldown reduction on the focus. What are your thoughts?
The higher your attack speed is, the more conjurations that spawn, the more frozen orbs spawn, the more damage you will output. And you get 2 aspects instead of 1 and they are crucial for this build.
i tried staff. felt sluggish unless I had ancient flame, then i just had little aspects
Jon, just masterworked to 12/12 on my starless. First 2 were crit chance, last one lucky hit. Does that suck or is it actually better than crit damage and core damage?
For starless I don’t think it really matter. The build uses lhc so it’s not a waste
You are best dude
Have you tried esus ferocity? It gives you with the aspect permanent 50% attackspeed. But maybe I miss something
check the build, theres a new variant that can push farther, immortal Forb
I have a problem with your build. I did the build according to your guide with Mobalytics, but my resistance is only 50-55%. Only cold resistance I have at 70%. Why is this the case? What am I doing wrong? Do I need to change skulls to gems for resistances? Previously, I used the build from Maxroll and had all the resistances at max (70%). Now I created a shako, changed the build to yours (Immortal Esus) and I have a big problem with survivability due to low resistances.
sounds like you have rubys in your armor and not topaz. You can smidge around some points iin the boards to get more res too
@@Lurkin17 Thanks. I forgot change ruby's for topaz
What is bugged with Storm Swell and Shredding Blades?
ive got a GA cooldown winterglass but it only has 1/2 conjure mast or another winterglass thats 2/2 conjure and max casting effect thats a normal CD roll. whats the prio on the stats?
definetly the 2/2
Una pregunta que me lleva rondando la cabeza días. Es posible una mejor construcción centrándose en el daño a vulnerable?, borrando totalmente el daño de crítico y poniendo los tempering del rogue en el mago [daño a vulnerables {Rogue}], practicamente como hacemos con la build de Heartseeker.
no hablo espanol
put whatever temper gives the highest value with the best uptime. the way the build plays with the bugged vyrs passive is damage to close. higher value than vuln. and I am NOT asking players to level a rogue to temper stuff on. out of the question I am not rob
@@Lurkin17 I'm sorry for writing the comment in Spanish, it's just that I have an option to translate comments from other languages into Spanish.
Anyway, I've already tried it with 2000% vulnerable damage, but it works better with close range damage :D
Gonna just upgrade to a barb so i can stand in all the damage, and do 10x damage at the same time.
I seem to be missing something, where are you getting so much dex and willpower for the paragon points?
Harlequin crest unfortunately
What is bugged with shredding blades ? That’s what I’m using didn’t know it was bugged 😢
What can be a placeholder for Tibault’s and Shako? Like the stats and aspect on those pieces of gear? I still front have them of course. 😐
Nvm, I just found the other section of the build. Thank you for the detailed guide boo!
Considered undying aspect for healing?
We drop frigid breeze once we get starless to max out teleport. you could also take precision magic.
before starless, which points to put in frigid breeze?
hoarfrost or precision magic, whichever I had i forget. I like the barrier duration one.
I quit playing Diablo 4 an year ago and i am very surprised Blizzard decided to insert Nephalem RIfts again! It means they are out of fresh ideas.
its been fun but a struggle on sorc, low damage
Maybe i’m just missing it but what are the enchantments he’s using?
For your Vyr's + Ubers (T100) guide, I can only craft 1 uber right now. Should I go for Harlequin Crest or Ring of the Starless Skies first?
Harlequin
If you're farming the bosses a lot, you should wait for one to drop and craft the other. Nothing hurts more than crafting one and then having it drop right after lol
this tbh. i lean starless
@@bartmuskens6722 So I got my masterwork at 12 on fractured winterglass. My conjuring is 3 and yellow then it gave me vulnerability on masterwork 12. So the conjuring being 3 and yellow what does that mean?. I got 6 points on conjuring skills now is that alli can get in conjuring as far as points. Also I master worked my Harley Quinn at 12 and got 3 blue in cool down reduction all stats and maximum health. Any idea what to work on next as far as Master working I have all the Ubers for this build. My ring of starless skies is at masterwork 10 has 2 blue rolls on critical strike chance and core damage.. My Tal Rasha is masterwork 9 but my stat cooldown reduction is yellow and at 1 0. 7 as of now. Any ideas what I should work on next. Any help would be greatly appreciated
I think the best is buff some builds instead of nerfing the boss, because some necro and barbs builds will Cruise trought lvl200 pit if the nerf them.
Doesn't the Lighting Spear and Ice Blades proc the Devouring Blaze?
Not sure if you still need to spec into the hydra if they do?
i dont have firebolt enchant, no they don't, i don't need mass burning when mobbing just use holy bolts or plow through them. entire builds need to revolve around one thing right now, Boss damage. That's the sole focus is maximizing that
@@Lurkin17 ah I see, I wasn't sure if you were using fire bolt enchantment or not!
Hats off to you though, you are an exceptional player and crafter and push the envelope for us sorcs!
Hi @lurkin! Could you make a lvl 100 Incinerate build pls? I loved your levling build, and was hoping to continue playing Incinereate at lvl 100!
i have a L100 one, i just havent played it to further optimize it
@@Lurkin17 Found it on Mobalytics. Giving it a go! Thx
Now we need an opacity slider on numbers and orbs lol ;)
bro, what do you think of Templing .. cold damage rather then close damage ???
I have the same doubt xD
Close damage tempering is a naturally higher percentage, being a 30% higher max roll. On top of that, sorc paragon has tons of cold damage bonus already, so you’re getting a lot of diminishing returns lumping more cold damage on top of that instead of having close damage.
So this build will shred t81 and lower?
in the guide it has exploit on chest.. did that change?
i don't understand how he gets the hydras to pop out of nowhere without having the skill on his bar. Does that come with the frozen winterglass amulet?
yeah amulet makes conjurations
any man whos bio says dont sub to me, save your money is a man i wannna listen to. jokes aside, loving the build. i was ready to give up on frozen orb compared to blizzard but yours works
Which part of vyrs is broken? Is it buffing the frozen orb skill dmg in general?
yerp
thoughts on rogue temper critical damage instead of close damage?
not worth the squeeze
I saw all your build in mobalytics. I named my soc lightning. Can you showcase a lightning build, crackling, CL, balls, orbs.
I feel like lightning is so underwhelming
Mate you are missing elixir/incense from your build on mobanalytics as well as offensive/defensive breakpoints, if you would like to add those! Thanks for your build
holy bolts or attack speed elixer. incense is whatever you can afford. chorus redamine buzz and the int one
Major question that noone has been able to answer yet. Is % damage better than flat intelligence on your offensive gear?
depends. youd need to spreadsheet your additives and see what gives you a larger % increase relative to what you had before. and then do the same thing with int comparing 1 plus int/1000 of the new and old. They equate to about the same
I am not sure that gydra provides burning damage. By default they does only fire damage but i dont see any burning on boses and enemies hitted by hydra. I think we need to take 1 skill points into burning hydra mod for apply burrning.
it does ive tested it, i take summoned hydra. i forgot to have it on at first, but i caught the mistake midway through the skill tree
how are you getting shako?
I just gambled a focus with crit, CDR and int... bricked it on tempering with damage to distant.
RIP.
Temper first :P
ive bricked so many its really bad
What is Storm Swell bugged ?
How are you liking the state of the game?
Can you get to +4 conjuration mastery if you hit masterwork crit on it 2x and it was +2 baseline?
I have a +4 CM on my Fracture Winterglass (8 upgrades), I got + cooldown reduction for the 2nd upgrade, which is nice
@@BLuNTEDR is it with a greater affix on conjugation?
Don't have a starless and you say to run conceited not shredding, then you say not to run storm swell and use conceited...so what do we put on our ring then instead of conceited since it's now on the wand?
storm swell was bugged. it got fixed. Priorities are Frozen orbit, accel, shredding, storm swell, conceited
Acknowledging your barriers, how do you not get one shotted? At max gear and all, at tier 60, many mechanics are undodgeable and instant one shot. Many people complain this too. How are we able to just stand in front?
Some will 1 shot me. It's Vyrs, reinforced, Concentration spam, tibaults close DR. etc
is it viable without harlequine crest and starles? or it wont push past 70?
yeah it is, it will just cap around T80
No holy bolt potion?
is it worth it to have more attack speed to fire more orb/stack more conj mastery?
yeah, i was having DR issues without vyrs tho.
5 frozen orbs I believe would be from Avalanche passive
Being a sorc is so tough most of the time when it comes to bosses
bruh its a struggle
What is bugged about shredding blades? Why use shredding blades that give you x30% vulnerable damage vs. conceited that gives you x25% damage to everythign while barrier (so basically at all times)?
It works now they fixed it
as a sorc and D4 nub, what do you mean forgot to turn hydra on?
14:58 he covers it. Having points into the summoned hydra node causes your hydras to burn enemies over time. On the skill tree there are nodes that give you buffs if enemies are burning. Hydras spawn from the fractured winterglass as the amulet spawns random conjurations.
Well done. Surprised no one is berating the devs for their incompetence at balancing.
why you dont play the mage lords defensive aspect?
Because it's built around bossing and 1 boss gives that 9% DR only
can you explain how shredding blades is bugged please
I've personally avoided shredding blades as I read the aspect as only adjusting the literal % Vulnerable dmg number. Since vuln dmg is no longer multiplicative after the first 20%, I took other aspects over it. The wording was too ambiguous to risk it, compared to something like conceited. I'm assuming Lurkin has possibly confirmed this take on it.
so does vyr increase all close damage currently ?
yesssir! If it gets bug fixed we just swap to ancient flame and take attack speed over conceited
How do you get burning if hydra isn’t specd to do it.
I made an error during my run and forgot to have the node equipped. I figure that out partway through the video unfort.
Can winterglass go to 4/2 conjuration with 2 hits?
nah needs 3. also needs 3 to get 5 if greater, 2nd hit never does anything
hello, great video, Harlequin Crest where can you find it?
Drop Duriel, King of Maggots , has a very low probability