Canon R7+Sigma 150-600C: Can you live with the pulsing? (with sample raw images)
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- Greetings to everyone! In my current video, I would like to talk about a really controversial topic: how the sigma 150-600C performs on the R7. The opinions are really diversed, I represent those who are delighted with this combo. I'am neither a reviewer guy, nor a professional photographer ( My short film was shown twice at an international nature film festival, and that's it), I just want to share a budget opinion. But later on, I would like to create more wildlife, and less gear specific videos.
00:00 Introduction + pulsing infos
03:13 Image review minutes
09:19 On a budget, you need to make compromises...
10:51 Conslusion
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You make a great point. People who complain most about the R7 (for any reason; rolling shutter, noisy mechanical shutter, ISO noise etc) are typically already using R5 bodies with L series lens. They have a very different perspective and seem to keep forgetting what great value the R7 is. Coming from a Nikon D7500 I'm hoping the AF and mirrorless system is going to triple my keeper rate. I can live with half of my pictures being soft and I'll still be happy!
I totally agree with you, it all depends on the perspective. You cannot compare a flagship camera(R5) with a 1500$ body, this isn't fair, for its prize, the R7 is amazing. On a budget, everything is a little bit harder, but it doesn't mean that you cannot have great results and joy.
Good luck in the field, I suppose your keeper rate will be much better! Greetings from Hungary!
The shutter noise is great compared to my 80D
@@mozzman9030 I have never used the 80D but the 90D's shutter sound is definitely softer compared to the R7.
@@birdingwithandrew594 I dont mind it . Ill have to compare it next to my 80D and see how it sounds. Havent used my 80D for a few weeks now
My R7 finally arrived. Shutter noise isn't an issue to me, not noticeably different from the Nikon. Though I'm currently using electronic shutter and will only use mechanical if I run into rolling shutter effects. So far, the camera has been utterly excellent.
Thanks, very balanced review, helpful
Thank you Phil, I tried to do my best! Greetings from Hungary!
Thank you Andrew .... good fortune with your experiments ...
Thank you! Greetings from Hungary!
Nice and realistic review, thanks :-)
Greetings from Germany!
Danke schön für die netten Wörter :) Viel Erfolg auf dem Gelände, schöne Grüsse aus Ungarn!
thank you, very nice.
Good Vid. I have the R7 and Sigma C 150-600mm lens. I have not noticed any issues, but I am coming from the origional 7D, so I am simply blown away by the autofocus.I love Duade Paton's videos, but I am tiring of people with kit costing thousands of dollars more talking about the kit I can affod with such disappointment. It's just a bummer. It may be honest, but it's comparing apples to oranges. I am very happy with the keeper rate I have!
It is so good to read comments like yours, because my opinion is exactly the same, it shows at least I am not alone. 😁 I also think that photographers with expensive gear just scare the people away from very usuable, and budget friendly options like our combo, this is not a great trend.
Glad that you have really great keeper rate, me too! Greetings from Hungary!
Lol I agree. Many channels compare a 6,000 camera to a 1500 camera and are baffled about how much better the 6k camera is. LMAO 🤣
No need to bash a system or camera simply because it doesn't perform at the same level a camera 3x the cost does
@@KevinNordstrom yeah, indeed :D easy to speak if someone can afford the most expensive gears, but on a budget, everything is about prize/value. Guess its easy to be gear snob if you have tonns of money :D
Spot on, would an F1 driver compare a family car yo his work car? To be honest I could afford the top spec kit, but why should I, it's my hobby not my living.
@@ronwilson9855 Only Ferrari's strategist would do it 😅😅 but seriously, you have a very unique attitude, I respect it, great to have people like you who just don't boast with their gear but rather go for the feeling of the hobby. 👌🏼
Tamron 150-600mm G2 is a great combo with fast focus.
I use a Fujifilm X-T30 WITH THE 18x55 F2.8 lens and got some great Hummingbird photos. I even got a few photos with the toungue sticking out and some with their beak open. What a fun and challenging hobby.
Great video, better to have gear on a budget, than rob a bank. Seriously good to have someone who represent a budget perspective.
:D thank you! I am on a budget so I can give, what I have :D Greetings from Hungary!
I changed my settings on my Sigma 600 mm C and the Canon R10 settings, it s working much better, mostly no problems with pulsing, but sometimes the af gets stuck, I turn the camera off and turn it on, and it works fine, the problem is continuous shooting, after taking 8 or 9 pictures in continuous shooting the af stops so I turn it off. Now the motion blur could be a cheap lens filter. it s not the perfect combo and you have to manage it
Thank you for sharing your experience… now I just have to wait for the R7 to be available 😏
At least this waiting period teaches us for being also patient in the field :D I wish you to have your body delivered soon! Greetings from Hungary!
Thanks so much for sharing the video and the information, I'm happy to report that I have the r7 and the Sigma 150-600 and the keeper rate is very good, I don't mind the pulsating 🐦👍
Thanks for the feedback, looks like we are on the same page. 😁 It's good to see that you are delighted with this combo as well. Have fun in the field, greetings from Hungary!
It's my case exactly. Let's shoot happily👍
@@lawrencelam1820 that's it, perfect final sentence: lets shoot happily! 👌🏼👍
Thank you very much for this video ! Same as you do , and as I live in Uruguay, everything is more expensive due to import fees. I had a canon 5dsr with a Tamron 150-600 for ages, and was satisfied with the results, even though keepers were fewer than I would like to . (Had the 7D II as well) Due to weight , and my aging I went to Fuji camera, and had to set up with 100-400 lenses, I am very happy but need the extra reach of our beloved 600 mm. I found out that fuji xt4 had less noise when cropping that the old 5dsr. Yet, I was looking for any other gear that would get my 600 reach again! As someone mentioned here, it's too soon for Canon to open the game to Sigma or Tamron, as they are selling all their stuff pretty well. Your images looked really well, except for Raw 9, where I could appreciat the noise, and that is something I appreciate from you to show to us! I loved your video, and I subscribed. We need more people who are down to earth and can share with the community their findings. It would be interesting to see your BIF settings on a video! Thank you so much best regards from distant Uruguay!
Uruguay is a very nice country, hope I will get the chance to travel here once... :) To be honest, Fuji is not so well advertised here, only Nikon, Sony and Canon, so I have very few knowledge about their products, but I can feel with missing the reach, as I prefer walk around style, for that, the 600mm is really essential, the extra 200mm can make a huge difference. But yes, everything is about compromises, which things you insist to, which things you can sacrifice, I hope you will find the best solution for you!!! :) Yes, unfortunately even contriversial canon lenses are sold in enormous ammount, so we, canon shooters are very vulnerable these years, but maybe one day the RF mount will be opened for third party lenses... I'am not chasing the numbers so I gladly share my BIF settings here: the really minimum shutter speed is 1/2000, but recently I set it to 1/2500, or even higher if the lighting conditions allow me. Aperture is F 7.1-8, iso is auto, I set till 6400. I use craw, auto white balance, the 15fps electronical shutter mode.(with mechanical I still get 15 fps). Focus: animal eye-af servo, with spot af, I set the servo AF to case2, which means the camera continues to track subjects, ignoring possible obstacles, and of course initial priority, to keep the focus on the subject, hope I could help.
Thank you for your kind words Daniela, I try to do my best! Greetings from the distant Hungary!
@@birdingwithandrew594 Thanks a lot Andrew for your quick reply ! I was wondering why do you use Craw instead of Raw ? With Fuji glass the game is different :) I set my ISO to 800 , the speed to 1250, or more if needed, but the aperture I manage to move the ring from the lens, something I grew to love since changing the system. My photos are never over exposed, thanks to that possibility, of course I can set it it o 7.1 if needed, but I love the game that the aperture ring gives me . The new Fuji H2s, went to PSAM dial , and didn't keep the original Fuji experience. Some people had issues with white balance with Fuji, but I generally leave it to cloudy, due to our usual hours of birding. Now they got a new lens 150-600, but the comments are not great. It still hunts quite a bit. For me till now the ideal camera, if I could handle the weight would be the sony A1 and the 200-600 lens , but .... as I said b4, weight is way too much for hand helding ! Compromises, and more compromises, right? I send you my best vibes from a rainy Uruguay.!
@@DalsPhotography I use craw because it gives me little bit bigger buffer with more images during a burst, and the IQ difference between raw and craw is not that much.
Controlling the aperture on a ring is very handy, it's a pity that I can't do it with my sigma, and also the R7 only has 2 control ring (one is set for shutter speed, one is set for iso, cause I change aperture quite rarely.
Thanks for fuji infos! Unfortunately It's hard to imagine that in the close future there would be an acceptable low weight 600mm lens, canon has one, but it is F11 with bad minimum focus distance and other disadvatage. Generally the manufacturers market the 100-400 lenses to be lighter, as you mentioned, but not any 600mm. The sony 200-600mm is a wonderful lens, I wish canon created a same one, howewer I am not a bodybuilder so the weigjt is also matters for me :D
Thank you!
I saw the sigma 150-600 and then the R7 came, It will be for sure my combo very soon. I am.upgrading from canon 250D (Rebel SL3). For this budget I can't get better combo. Even if I would search for second hand prime lenses, it wouldn't be better or at least wouldn't be on my budget for sure.
Anyway, there is already some minimalistic "workarounds" for focus pulsing issue like: Some ppl assign a button for change the AF on Single Point then back to Tracking AF fast enough in my opinion and then the pulsing disappears then you can take the shots. Anyway with or without pulsing issues , this is the best budget combo so far.
This is exactly what I think. Even from a 90D was a big upgrade, but feom a 250, i guess it will be a massive one for you. As you have said, on a budget, this is the best combo. Period. Wish you to have great succes and lot of fun in the field!
Hi Andrew,
Thanks to your videos (and others people like Duade or wild Alaska), I got a sigma 150 600 c and a Canon r10 (which is a very good deal too).
This f6.3 600mm is a needed for me, in France, in the mountains / forests.
I wanted to ask you a question regarding the focus ring on the sigma: were you able to assign it to a function, like AV ? For me, it is not working (except MF), I am wondering if I missed something in the parameters. If yes, I will continue to search, if no, I will stop searching !!
Many thanks !
Hi Remi,
The sigma doesnt have a dedicated ring to change the appeture, and as far as I know and experienced, in the button layout settings there is no option to set the MF ring to become a dedicate changing button of the AV. But to be honest, I have assigned the ISO and shutter speed to the 2 dials for quick change, and I prefer it in this way, because I change these values way more frequently than changing the apeture.
Greetings from Hungary!
I was frightened when I saw dude Patterson video, as I have ordered the R7 and my sigma is only 6 months old, but you are correct, I currently use a 200d, so the R7 will be a big jump, and when it arrives I will enjoy the combo as you do, I am sure.
I was also frightened at first because I though: what's wrong with me, did I make a mistake promoting this combo... cause I was really confused as I was suoer delighted. But thankfully many comments and forum discussions reassured me that there are many people out there enjoying the R7+SigmaC like me, so nothing can steal from us the joy of being in the field :) fingers crossed to have your body delivered as soon as possible!
Hey, how is your experience so far?
Great to see someone talking about budgets. Not all of us can drop 7 thousand on a flagship camera plus another four or five on a lens. I certainly can't and I've found the Sigma fits my needs perfectly.
Coincidentally, I did a comparison test of the Sigma with my 70-200 f4 non-IS lens with and without a 1.4 tc, a fantastically sharp lens, and found the Sigma, at comparable focal lengths, was only marginally less sharp - to the point where it was barely noticeable unless examined at 200% enlargement.
I couldn't test at 600 mm obviously, and I'm sure it would be somewhat less sharp than the equivalent big whites, but honestly, it's sharp enough for me, and I'm pretty picky about my images.
With today's sharpening apps, the differences are minimal for the price we're paying.
I'm going to be a reverse snob and say that we have to work harder with our equipment than someone who can afford the best of the best as well, lol.
Nice post, thank you. And great shots of those swifts!
I couldnt agree with you more: expensive gears give us comfort, but quite the same results can be reachable with good technique, and the knowledge of our camera and lens, we just have to take hours to learn and of course, be witty in the field.
I started with a 4000D/RebelT100 and I used that camera for wildlife for more than one year. It was a struggle sometimes, as that camera was surely not made for wildlife, but at least I really learnt the basics of the photography and I needed to work on my technique, so it was benefitial and I still got amazing results.
And yes, sigmaC at 200mm is sharp as an army knife!
Thank you for your nice comment, greetings from Hungary, and have fun in the field! :)
I totally agree with you. Excellent video. Comparing the R7 to the R5 or R3 makes no sense. No one would compare a family car to a Ferrari :)
Regarding the price the R7 has a ton of great features. I hope mine will arrive soon ...
Thank you! Looks like we are on a same page! And even the family car(R7) can make the whole family happy and delighted.
All in all, the R7 offers an amazig value for its prize. I wish you to have your body delivered soon and have fun in the field! Greetings from Hungary!
There are a couple of CZcams photographers that I won’t mention by name but have a show together that are really in it for the money and glory .
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Thank you, greetings from Hungary!
Does this problem occur with Sports version of 150-600?
Hey, bro! I saw your viral video titled (Canon R7 + Sigma 150-600 C: Heaven on budget? (Field test) which has (13K) views. I liked this video a lot, after that I watched a lot of your videos and I think your video is addictive.
But today while I was browsing your CZcams channel a couple of exciting ideas came to mind which can help you to go viral and that I wanna discuss with you:💙
Thank you, this is nice of you, but I would like to stay myself and just be authentic. I don't want to chase numbers and "go viral" stuffs. I would like to represent something which is rare in youtube, that's why I dont want to follow the typical youtube way. But again, thank you for your kind words. Greetings from Hungary!
@@birdingwithandrew594 Oh! No worries, its fine keep it up👍
I have this issue on my R5 and I had a response from Sigma who said they may produce a firmware update for the 150 to 600 but they would need Canon to release the specs for the RF mount. Also Sigma said that they might produce a 150 to 600 with an RF mount .... but only when Canon allow them to, i.e. release the full RF specs to third party manufacturers. I pointed out that other manufacturers had reverse engineered the RF mount successfully.with auto focus and no other EF mount lens to.my knowledge had the probmem the 150 to 600 has.
Thank you for the information! According to what I have read, the Tamron 150-600 has the same issue. Such a shame that canon doesn't open the RF mount for third party manufacturers.... the ball is at Canon's side... I am a positive person, but it's hard to hope that Canon will do it soon...
@@birdingwithandrew594 I didn't know about the Tamron problem. Canon are making loads of money with their own lenses and see no reason I guess to allow others to compete for sales. Perhaps if the RF mount mirrorless cameras were not selling they might think differently. I personally don't have thousands to spend on new RF glass, I might switch bodies and trade in all my lenses. Sony or Nikon? Both seem to welcome third party lenses.
Yes, this is exactly Canon's policy nowadays.. But I wouldnt mind if they produced good native RF options...but these RF lenses we have so far.... They are all no goers for me.... And the RF 100-500 is so overpriced, I dont want to spend a fortune to a 7.1 lens....
Indeed, for example for Sony E mount, the Tamron 150-500 seems a quite good option. But till we'll have a better one, I can live with the pulsing.
Hey Andrew , would you please mind sharing your r7 settings for birds in flight ? Many thanks! Dave
Hi Dave, my preset (C1) for BIF is the following:
min. 1/2000s, for swallows min. 1/2500, F 8, auto iso to 6400,
craw, 15 fps mode with electronic shutter (but rolling shutter can ruin some photo so maybe the mechanical shutter is better option - my UHS-I card can keep 15 fps to 4 secs with the mech. shutter);
AF whole area, subject tracking: On, animal eye AF, switching tracked subject: 0
Case 2: continue to track subjects, ignoring possible obstacles.
Hope it helps :)
@@birdingwithandrew594 wonderful thank you my friend 😎
I liked your video and I am not a Canon user, as I use a very old olympus OMD film with 100-300mm telephoto. Yes, it's ancient, but so am I.
Thank you Stuart! As a famous saying goes: old, but gold. People can buy super expensive gear with tonns of features, but they can never buy years of experience and knowledge. At the end of the day, nothing matters, but to enjoy shooting no matter the gear. Greetings from Hungary!
Thanks, R7 coming soon. 😀
Surely its really hard to be patient after such a long waiting period. Nowadays Canon's Forrest Gump would say: life is like a box of chocholate, you never know when it's gonna be delivered 😀 Greetings from Hungary!
I'm wondering if the complaint about softer images is because people are taking more shots per second with the newer faster cameras vs using older cameras with slower FPS plus while using the same lens whose motor can't keep up with newer AF technology.
In my opinion, thanks to the 15-30 fps modes, the pulsing isn't that a big and dealbreaker problem, because with bigger quantity you will get usuable pics from every pose with minimum more than half of your pictures being sharp - this is where the quantity can be difference and helpful, rather than harmful. If I shot with 3fps like with the 4000D/RebelT100, I bet the pulsing would be more frustrating, because out of 3, I would have less chance to get usuable pics from every pose.
Yes, the older lenses with lower resolving power tend to struggle on newer bodies (with newer sensors), this is legit, but it really depends on specifically which lens we are talking about, for example I have read from many people that the old EF 400 5.6 works quite well on the R7.
Fantastic video. I agree with you - there is no perfect lens. The best part of all cameras is the person behind the camera. I bring that up in my videos all the time. The other reality that everyone misses is how many shots are you going to share or print? Most will never print anything anyway. A burst of 3 seconds at 20 FPS - 60 shots times shooting all day. So much garbage to throw away and what is kept will probably be garbage because the person behind the camera buys the kit thinking it will automatically give them great shots. It is just not the case. The "pulsing" does not bother me, and another reality is that EVERY lens does it. Some more than others. We used to call it focus breathing. The best tool is only as good as the operator. I like the way you explain it though - all compromises. I rarely use my 500 F4 because of the weight but it is sharp...... 🤗
Thank you John for your kind words, you have a great channel, can't wait to see your RF 100-400 test and your opinion about it compared to the sigma 👌🏼
Indeed, people are fully focused on the gear but neglecting the importance of lights, the knowledge of your own camera and lens and your subject you want to shoot..experimenting everything and making mistakes, to learn from them....I started my wildlife photography journey with a Canon 4000D/Rebel T100 + sigma C, I was forced to push my limits constantly and learn everything about photograhy and try everything I can. Was it the harder way? Definately! But I totally enjoyed the way and the learning curve.
Agreed, at the end of the day, very few image is printed/shared :D And with the sigma, you can get more than enough ammount of sharp pics, from you can pick the best.
500mm F4 is a solid optiom, I would love to have that lens, but as I am not a bodybuilder, the weight would be also problem for me :D
Thanks for your comment again, keep up the great work, and have fun in the field! Greetings and support from Hungary! :)
@@birdingwithandrew594 Andrew, I was out with the RF 100-400 tonight. The light was low and I was in the shadow so I dont have a great overview as of yet. I was also out shooting with my old EF original version of the 100-400..... and I REALLY like it. My initial impression of the RF version is that it need great like like the Sigma but does not have the reach the Sigma does. I am going to keep renting lenses - it is FUN!!! Thank you, thank you Andrew!! 💖🤗🙏
@@JonnyPink65 I saw it, again a very qualitative video, the dragonfly pics are amazing with that old lens. 👌🏼👌🏼Old but gold, as it used to be said 😁
I prefer the walk around style, like you do(or cycling around style 😁) according to my impressions of your channel, so the extra 200mm can be really handy, but I guess the rf 100-400 is a really great lens for its price, especially for newcomers, travellers and "sometimes I do wildlife photography" photographers :D
Unfortunately, here in Hungary we don't have a great renting service, but If I had the opportunity, I would totally go for the renting as well. Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy! 😊
@@birdingwithandrew594 💖
If only sigma planed to make an software update about this, for me the 150-600mm C would be the perfect lens for is price
Couldnt agree with you more! Unfortunately, if sigma had planned this, they would have released a softwer update after the R5 and R6. So right now we dont have perfection, but the lens is still very usuable, this is just my opinion. Greetings from Hungary!
I'm hearing that this pulsing issue doesn't happen with the tamron 150-600 G2 lens but I'm not sure how accurate this information is so at the moment I can't commit to purchasing an R7 and will stick with my 5D Mark 4 for wildlife not that you can get an R7 in the UK yet
Thank you for your comment, yes, I have read mixed experiences about the Tamron as well, some say it is better than the sigma, some say that the focus hunting is also there. Wild Alaska channel tested the tamron + R7 combo, it's worth to check his vid. czcams.com/video/XnvuGbBKqNU/video.html
Yeah, I don't know what's going on in the UK, the situation is very disappointing, many have been waiting already for months... in Hungary I had my R7 delivered quite fast.
I wish you to have a lot of fun with the 5D mark IV, it is still a brilliant body 👌🏼
I agree with you, that the combination may be a real step up compared to older DSLRs. But I shoot birds with the Sigma 150-600 C and M6 II with its 32 MP sensor, 14 fps (30 fps cropped raw), and the bird eye tracking is the main reason for looking to upgrade. To be honest, I am thrilled by the hit rate from my Sigma 150-600 and Tamron 100-400 VC, which also has issues with bird eye tracking, I understand. So I am not sure there is any reason to upgrade now. For those on a budget, a bargain M6 II with the Sigma lens might in fact be a nice option :)
I have read from some former M6 II owner that the R7 is a step up, but if you are satisfied with your combo, why would you change? I totally get you. :) From a former 90D owner's perspective, the R7 is a huge step up, I feel it was the right move for me to switch, also because I guess 1-2 year later a DSLR like 90D will worth way less than now in the second hand market, but in this summer I could get a decent prize for it.
Anyway, the most important thing is: Have fun in the field! Greetings from Hungary!
@@birdingwithandrew594 Thanks for the feedback. I hadn't heard that, and it's obviously an important consideration. The truth is that I've never had as much fun as I'm having with my M6 II, which is probably a good thing, as I'm not sure my budget will allow me to upgrade my EF-M lenses at this point. Can I ask what other lenses you think are essential for your R7? For my M6 II, I'm a big fan of the 18-150 mm zoom as a "walk-around" lens and I like to do astrophotography with an EF-M fisheye.
@@wellingtoncrescent2480 seems you really do have much fun, great! 👌🏼
Such a shame that there isn't official Ef-m to RF adapter.. because if you switch to RF body, it basically means that you have to sell all of your lenses and surely this is also a factor for you.
To be honest, I have only the sigma 150-600C and the ef 50mm 1.8, as I have tight budget. I shoot wildlife almost every time, as birds are my passion, so unfortunately I am not that experienced in other fields to give you decent suggestions. But I did watch videos, and comments about the TTArtisan 11mm fish eye lens for the RF mount, and it seems most of the people are satisfied with it, saying "the lens is great for its price", so maybe it can possibly replace your ef-m fish eye lens if someday you make the switch. The RF-S 18-150mm seems a little bit pricy on its own, considering in Hungary for a little more money you can buy an RF 100-400. But of course in kit edition the 18-150 is cheaper... I rather went for an R7+ ef-rf adapter kit tough. I am not sure if I could help as I am really wildlife orientated, but at least I tried :D
@@birdingwithandrew594 I also do mostly bird photography, but I find the 18-150 mm useful for larger wildlife (we have polar bears where I live in Manitoba, Canada!). I don't think an EF-M to RF adaptor is feasible for physical reasons, which is disappointing, as the prospect of replacing multiple lenses is daunting as you point out (it's far easier to acquire new lenses over time :).
@@wellingtoncrescent2480 It makes sense, polar bears must be amazing :O we just have Teddy bears here in Hungary 😕😅 without any big mammal.
Yes, indeed, the EF-M mount is very special.
I really like the Sigma 150-600C.... BUT:
- i began with the RF 800... its so much lighter and better stabilized, its just the cancerous 1280mm on APS-C which are limiting more often than not
- Canon 100-400 II, i got it 3 days ago, its better stabilized, sharper than the sigma and lighter. Beside the fact that the MF ring is even usable, where its very hard to be precise on the 150-600. If i dont really need the 200mm extra reach i love to use the Canon 100-400 II instead of the Sigma.
I really tried to replace the Sigma with the 100-400, but that doesnt work also... i just want to keep both lenses since i would have a big hole between 640 and 1280mm...
Very helpfull video. Especially for me (have 150-600 sport and canon 600d) to decide new camera
I hope you will make the best decision! One thing I know for sure that the R7 would be a massive step up after a 600D. Also the sport version evem works better on the R7 than my C type sigma.
remember: the 150-600 Sport is NOT AS SHARP as the Contemporary....
@@harrison00xXx how do you know that
@@ahmetsapanc9735 reviews and comparisons... everyone who have tested these lenses side by side said the 150-600C is slighly sharper.
considering the 150-600 contemporary is not the sharpest lens from the beginning and im also not that happy with the C (the canon 100-400 II performs A LOT BETTER) i would at least dont think about a 1,4x extender, the R7 is already the extender for the 150-600 sigmas.
@@ahmetsapanc9735 I have seen and partially tested myself:
100-500L RF
100-400 Mk1 and Mk2
150-600C sigma
150-600 tamron
Canon EF 400 F5.6 prime
RF 800 F11
I would consider the EF 400 F5.6, RF 100-500L and EF 100-400L (Mk2!) and the RF 800 F11 as tack sharp
The 100-400 Mk1 and Sigma 150-600C already as "ok"ish sharp (hopefully also the sports if you want a R7, 32MP APS-C is hard for ANY lens)
and the tamron 150-600 at the last place. But its stabilizer was slightly better than the barely noticable stab on the sigma
Thanks for Video Bro,
But R7 is waste of money & Time for Apsc Expensive Body
Better Go For Sony A7iii
Best Video & Photo Quality
Here in Hungary the A7iii is much more expensive than the R7, and I prefer APS-C for wildlife photoghraphy/videography, cause the extra FOV is really welcomed. For example the R7's 4k crop mode is a mega one for wildlife shooters.
Personally I dont like Sony bodies, but its all about personal preferences and choices, and I am glad that you are enjoying Sony gear and wish you to have amazing results!
Ok, here’s one problem that I AM finding with this same combination of Lens and body .
When you’re fairly close to your subject , I’ve noticed this lens will not focus at all!
Sometimes you need to re-focus on something slightly closer and then focus again on the bird , which unfortunately can lead to you missing the shot 🤦🏻♂️
This keeps happening.
Settings are good :
Spot focus , partial metering , servo mode , animal and eye detection enabled . So what’s the deal ??
Hi Dave! I dont really understand this issue, because I have never experienced something like this, I shot thousands of images and nothing like that was ever happened. For example when I tested the pulsing issue I was super close to the penguin toy, it was so big on the frame, and the eye af worked fine. Even in the case of a toy bird, never had any focusing problem.
Which focusing option do you use on the sigma? I use Full mode, after having read your comment I picked up the R7 and focused to the top of the closest bush (4 meter away) and even using the animal eye af , the camera focused to the bush every time, so I really don't understand how it happened in your case.
@@birdingwithandrew594 pretty sure I use full mode too , Yeah it’s very strange !
@@XoXo475 It really made me thinking what's going on. Were your background busy? Because in the case of super busy backgrounds, its advisable to firstly traditionally AF, and when the af locks, just use the eye AF. But guess you have already tried this method. Sorry Dave, I ran out of ideas and advises, honestly I am quite blind in this case cause It's very stange, I also haven't read any comment about this kind of "close distance" issue so far. Maybe it would lead you a solution to ask around about this problem at some forums or R7 facebook groups (like michael the maven R7 group). If you have any new info, please keep me updated. Fingers crossed to be your problem solved!
@@birdingwithandrew594 thanks very much for your quick response Andrew , you are a good guy and very helpful . Maybe I tweaked some other settings in the camera and something else is causing this .
I will have to go through my menu again and double check everything .
@@XoXo475 Thank you for your kind words, I really hope it's just a temporarily "settings tweaking". Wishing you joy and luck in the field Dave!
The pulsing is a Sigma issue. The pixel density story is BS. I shoot an old 400mm 5.6 L which has no is etc. It is perfect. My keeper rate is well over 95% for still subjects and over 75% for birds in flight. The photos are tact sharp. Better than I got on my old 18mpx 7 D. So I think these reviews going on about the R7 are simply reviewers who know how to play the algorithm. They know nothing about photography. Their technique must be lacking. And perhaps the higher end equipment masks their incompetence or something. Or they just repeat each other. Thanks for the great video
Try to seperate yourself from the backgorund, come close to the audience. You are funny and knowledgeable enough to have more subscribers that you have. All the best , great and honest content. 👍
Thank you for your kind words and great suggestions!!! :) I try to improve from video to video, I take your words.
I am already very grateful for the ammount of my subscribers, it feels super priviliged, and also better to start modestly, than just chasing the numbers :) All the best, greetings from Hungary!
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Great video. People have high expectations from a budget lens. There is not perfect option here. I have R7 and Sigma 150 600 in addition to RF 800, RF600 and RF 100-400. My favorite is RF 800 mm. It's super sharp, eye AF is spot on, very light weight and produces great results if you can find the bird in a non zoomable narrow field of view. Min focus distance is never an issue as most birds are at least 20 feet away. Then my next favorite Sigma 150-600C. It works but the combo is very HEAVY and I can't walk with it for more than 30 mins. Sigma 150 600 also works great with R7 when used with Sigma 1.4X Teleconverter. The F8 naturally gives sharper shots but again the combo is very difficult to handhold. RF 100 400 is a great lens but not for birding. 400mm is too short. I would use it butterflies or macro. 600 is compromise but I like RF 800 mm a lot better than the RF 600mm.
I think if you try the R7 with the RF 100-700 your 150-600 will quickly become a door stop 😉
Yes, It's obvious that the RF 100-500 is better lens than the sigma, as everyone would expect this from a 3 times more pricier one, I just don't want to spend a fortune to a 7.1 lens: for just a hobby, the sigmaC is satisfying for me. Have fun in the field with your gear, greetings from Hungary!
@@birdingwithandrew594 I was going to buy the 150-600 but I decided to rent it for 10 days. I'm glad I did, I was very disappointed. I think there are much better options personally. A used 100-400II is a great choice. Cropped to 600mm equivalent still gives a much clearer image than the sigma..
@@justinholding02 Personally I think the sigma is indeed quite soft at 6.3 wide open, but sharper at 7.1, and sharp at F8, surely sharp enough for my needs. But as I have mentioned in my video, and you also stated, that an used ef 100-400 II is a great option. 80% of my time I just walk around, I prefer this style, only 20% I shoot from hides, so in the field the 600mm, and the extra cropping are very welcomed. 400mm is just not enough in a lot of cases with my preferred style.
Same goes for an affordable (sometimes they are fair priced 2nd hand) 100-400 II
Got one recently for "just" 1100€ 2nd hand ofc, and i would prefer it over the sigma for multiple reasons, but when it comes to reach, even on APS-C the 100-400 is not really much and the sigma outperforms the 100-400 for example.
On Full frame cameras, if your Sigma isnt a very bad copy...i would always prefer the sigma, probably even with 1,4x TC, the sigma one.
The RF 100-500L was the first "high quality" telezoom lens, nearly my first L lens at all i had in my hands. Its great, really. But for 3000$ an Air/dust pump design? no thanks!
@@harrison00xXx you experienced and summed up exactly what I thought and told in the video. For me, the extra 200mm is really essential, not to mention that in Hungary it is really hard to find an affordable 100-400 II on the price you purchased it, thats why I still hold on to my opinion that on a budget, it is really hard to find a better alternative.
I bought R10 to replace my old 7D, I only have Sigma lenses and AF pulsing is killing me. To the point where I consider getting rid of everything and buying Sony or even Nikon.
This is not only Sigma 150-600 problem, this happens with my 70-200/2,8 and even 105/2,8 macro. This is pure bullshit and if anyone ask me if they should get new Canon RF camera when they wish to use EF lenses I'll say definitely 'no' and since Canon is now against 3rd party lenses for this system it is definitely not photoamateur friendly.
Nope
Surely not everyone can live with it, this is all about personal choice and preferences, good to have opposite opinions. I wish you to have succes with your combo, Greetings from Hungary!