Gateway Church Ex-Pastor Responds to the Scandal Robert Morris
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2024
- In this video, licensed counselor Bon Hamp talks about “DARVO” - a dynamic that consistently happens in abusive situations. In light of the recent church scandal at Gateway church with Ex-pastor Robert Morris , it stirs up the conversation of the abuser being protected for one reason or another - in this case because the Pastor was a brilliant communicator and drew thousands to the church. The individual (child) who is abused cannot be responsible for the years of abuse that takes place between that said child and an adult. The responsibility is on the adult to know better.
#gatewaychurchscandal #darvo #sexualabuse
A 12-year old child does not have the autonomy, maturity, or compatibility to consent to intimacy with an adult. If a child exhibits consent or coercion, it is false. Whether these conditions were present or absent, it doesn't matter. Robert was in full control of his circumstances and he made a choice to molest and damage a child. The burden of responsibility is fully on him.
It is fully on God. Repentance is not person to person but person to God. No one can approve a relationship with a sixth grader.
He said it was wrong. He called her a young lady. I have been called that through high school a young girl can be called a young lady but face it no one out two and two together
God was not through with Him. He has guided him quite well. He is waiting for Cindy.
This is God's house.
Are there others. Who.have come forward?
Pedophiles do not stop with one.
This is God's decision.
This woman has been through so much. She deserves peace.she deserves comforting. She deserves privacy. All this chatter about what she wore the first time is not necessary.
Gateway is a huge church and from what I hear a family.They have nothing to do with this.
Where are her parents? Did they sign a nondisclosure?
Yep & I'm sure he groomed her. He told his wife he was counseling her. This is why people leave the church or want nothing to do with it period. These men hold too much power, preach deception & are put on pedestals. I had to deal w/ a narcissist pastor in a spiritually abusive church. He could have admit he had any issues afterc3 arrests, 2 for drunk driving. It was like leaving a cult. 15 years later, I'm still dealing w/the spiritual wound in my life & I have become very jaded. And when this comes up w/this guy & Tony Evans, Rod Parsley's cussing at his volunteers, TD Jake's schmoozing w/Diddy...I've had enough.
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For FOUR years.
That was powerful. ‘Protect me as I continue to hurt and help people’. Wow..
THANK YOU for explaining the principle of "DARVO" - a dynamic that consistently happens in abusive situations. It is imperative that the abuser must truly repent and stop sinning with the help of the Holy Ghost (Ps 51). Thank you for sharing xxx
I noticed that there are prominent church leaders that are being very quiet about this issue... I had a pastor who was a predator so I know what it feels like. In order to improve on abuse we the church need to first acknowledge that there is a problem and it needs to be dealt with.
I agree with you.
Good point.
Check out Julie Roys and Remnant Radio.
It's a crime & needs to be reported as such.
He should be arrested. He is a criminal. Where is law enforcement. Where is the civil law suit? Sue! Sue!
The statute of limitations in the state of Oklahoma is 14 yrs this happened in 1981-85
This is tragic. Prayers for Cindy
The whole system is wrong it needs to go.
When blind loyalists surround a leader who refuses questions, criticism, and accountability, you have a scenario that can lead all the way to Guyana drinking poison koo-aid.
Yes! I can't believe the people saying well we all sin, and we can't lay hands on God's anointed. And don't judge!
Ah, there is a sin that leads to death & we are told not to bother praying for the person. And that God will be much more strict with teachers of religion. And Jesus says we are to remove the beam from our own eye before judging another. If the person will not repent in God's time, do not socialize with such a person and expose evil.
It's all old hatt & we are tired of it. PLEASE, we had enough of Robert Morris. Thank you. 😮
The Bigger serious issue is his damned satanic Manichaeism theology sorceries heresies these ppl were deceived by deceiving Others for how long???
,stealing monies GUILT TRIPPING them for TITHES to fund their $450,000 year tax FREE salaries live like damn PIGS while 90% ppl there blind followers have needs NEVER met exact maybe a $30 bag of free cheese and milk, Friggin GREAT.
Just like those filthy satanic wicked false prophets on TBN, CBN, 700Clubs and those other stinking MAMMON LUSTING media venues and devils owning running them.
NONE of them, NOT ONE are anointed but “Work the Manichaeism theology angle deceiving others for FISCAL gains.
The MORE you look into this the more you will see the TBN, Special boy toy Paul Crouch had a Queerosis gay boy relationship almost TWO YEARS LONG, while on Media airways ALL over earth.
Preaching his stinking filthy twisted false gospel supported by hagee, HINN, Meyers, duplanits , Murdoc that filthy whoremonger CAUGHT ALSO yet STILL on are, etc etc etc.
corruption is at an ALL TIME HIGH.
ALL those filthy false prophets absolutely HAD TO KNOW about crouch yet for the SAKES OF HI9DIGN their filthy deeds lives and MAMMON LUSTING purposed acted like they knew NOTHING whatsoever but obviously DID.
Cant be this close to ppl and NOT hear & realize it.
Yet they tout having the Holy Spirit WOULD HAVE absolutely TOLD them yet so NOW WHAT??
So this morris guy you CANT tell me these ppl around him wouldn’t have realized this??
Supposedly having the Holy Spirit WOULD HAVE WARNED others like the blind followers etc.
Why, where was the hard bottom one reality on matters?
WHERE??
and looking into it your. most are just as friggng corruption LUST FILLED false gospel muttering heretics.
Selling the false gospel playing church w ppl’s eternal souls,
Damning souls with Their satanic false gospel TULIP/OSAS, Manichaeism theology, West minister confession of 1639, PENAL substitution, Moral governance FALSE GOSPEL L;iwa=s , selling that witchcraft as “TRUTH” .
Fr9ggin Unbelievable you ppl in SUNday papal design churches are SICK agents of the devil!
You can NOT tell me one whit they didn’t realize see or hear or know about it yet did NOTHIGN but HIDE IT.
Making them AS guilty as crouch on TBN , as part of the deed.
WHEN the hell is the EXACT SAME Thing EVER going to STOP?
WHEN ??
I would love to hear from Cindy’s daddy. I’d like to know what her daddy said when RM went to apologize to him and Cindy.
There is so much more to this story!😂
I had heard Robert later lied about what her father said. As though Dad was pretty upset, but RM went around telling people the dad said it was okay for him to go back into ministry. This was right in the first week of it coming out.
Whatever, I'm sorry, started at 12 years old, then four years. And then he cant pay just MEDICAL bills and insists on on an NDA.
But he is worth $117,000,000??? It's not for a new car, or nice clothes or a house, but medical bills. He just doesn't care about being honest. He lied about her age, because he thought he could get away with it.
Her dad plays a greater role in him getting away w/what he did for far too long, than he will ever admit.
They were friends. The ‘old boys club’ comes to mind.
Dad was not there for his own daughter!!!
Even now...where’s daddy in all this??? Cindy is a full grown adult, coming fwd _on her own!_
Hello?
God be with her 🙌🏽🙏🏽🕊as she shares many justified reasons on why she has came out fully now. She still may not ever be able to tell it all .This is why I pray she has a personal relationship with the Lord . As terrible as this is there are still some things that she can only share with Him our Father our Lord Jesus Christ😢 God be with her.
This man was a child molester. When did the church know about it? Did they ask any details from him? I believe they did not even know she was 12? Did they reach out to the child or her parents? How long did this man continue in ministry before confessing his sin? A lot of questions.
Thank you. I cried buckets when l learned, because we were deceived. Don't you see pedophiles have been after our youth for decades.
I no longer trust TBN.
67 yrs old and I still remember how it felt when my dad came after me. I thought I was the only one. I was 11. God didn't answer my prayers to make it stop. So I fought and kept my virginity.
But I didn't accept Jesus until late in life, because it destroyed me
Excellent questions.
Let's be careful,. Proverbe 17:15
As a high rake pastor he could or would tell stories about what he heard or who he knew but about himself too. Standing on the pulpit truly I wonder did he think about his self what he did too this child. Oh how he should ask Jesus for forgiveness and the church should get her family and repent of his sin as they are all together in front of Cindy beg for forgiveness.
Very good.
He’s not wrong about the DARVO thing. I had that happen to me in university with an instructor who developed inappropriate feelings for me and sexually harassed me. The university turned it around on me, accused me of engaging in inappropriate communication with the instructor and I was punished by the university.
Thanks for sharing.
This is exactly what happened to me in the bible college that i went to.
Thanks for sharing
Very sorry for your trauma.😔
I’m waiting for more Morris victims to step up....
I will be surprised if Cindy is the only one.
Preds usually don’t stop at one. Especially if they think they’re getting away w/it.
All these prosperity preachers all they want is your money They don't care about your souls
It’s sad that it’s in the church, where the church is to be set apart different than the world.
God will be setting it apart...be sure...
Plenty of ‘Christians’ are going to be ‘left behind’ soon....
He tells us to pray we are worthy to escape...🙏
There’s obviously a reason for that...
Dudes lying
Liar liar
@@thatomofolo452 pants on fire!
@@FullFrontalExposure b💥💥m
Well then, read the masterpiece breakthrough novel “Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke.” Explains much. Very much.
What’s the gist of the book?
@@kr82496 9. Everyman Norman Starmaster hasn’t yet come-of-age as a fully realized human. A book antagonizes him, “Think Like an Advanced Christian.” He embarks on a quest, backed by prayerful encounters with Jesus, that prove him wrong about big picture truths. His wild adventure succeed, because he dares question the mature things ascended humans can do. ENJOY!
Does this man really know what he's talking about
Nope he is indirectly fighting for status quo. Hi next speech will show his hand. The but is coming
The man speaking in the video is a licensed professional counselor and was a pastor at Gateway church.
Funny to me how ministers is condemning him wonder if they believe what they preach God forgive sins He remove them as far as the east is from west He cast them into the sea of forgetfulness and He remembers them no more I wonder if they have any sin did God forgive them there is more to this story what is it this woman want money or to know Jesus 35 years come now tell me
@@deryckkoylass293 try using some sentence structure to make your message clearer.
@@deryckkoylass293 she forgave but he lied about her age, he did not admit she was a child.
🤔
You who is without sin cast the first stone.
Robert Moore repented and confessed his sin, and God has forgiven him.
However he should not be allowed back into the ministry again.
He DID not repent. He raped. You are wrong.
I watched him for years. Did you? He led us to believe that he had sinned w another woman. He LIED. His wife lied. She was 12. It was penetration that went on for 4 yrs. Get your story straight.
I survived a pedophile. Did you?
So God has forgiven him, but man can't. He is just a person. Frauds are easy to spot.
the issue here is that they allowed him on the ministry for decades and Morris should have known it and voluntary stepped down like decades ago. There still needs an investigation because we don't know if there are more woman who suffered the same fate.
@@liberty2four2 not much different from the Catholic church, or what the sbc knew and did.
I think there is also another option that has not been addressed.
Pastor Morris was in a youth ministry in his early twenties..
He wrote the blessed life and openly without mentioning names called her a young lady.
He has stated that he got forgiveness from her parents who have remained nameless.
They requested that he not preach again and to my knowledge which is superficial...has not been a youth pastor.
He repented. He went through the restoration process and went on as a minister...
God was not through with him.
It appears to me that every minister is forgetting God forgave him .
God is not changing His view. He brought him to zero a coupe of times to prove God was with Him.
This is my biggest sticking point.
He was and is forgiven.
Do not get me wrong this was a baby. She did not have the education...the counselors or the maturity to work through this
She still feels like she has not received adequate counseling and is asking for those sessions to be paid
I do believe this to be true because she just gave social media a picture of herself at twelve and every inappropriate act that they committed. She just gave predator a playbook..How many other twelve year old girls will go through this because of the public scrutiny and the press.
Clearly this will go to court and a settlement but this is turning into Stormy Daniels scenario...and not a twelve year old that still needs counseling and prayer.
I would recommend you watch Justin Peters’ interview of a pastor who was a friend of Robert Morris.
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I can imagine what Cindy’s husband has imagined, thought of, expressed, experienced throughout their marriage, from personal experience…
@@kr82496 affirmative. I have found Psalm 73 healing but also my job resume.
@@kr82496 I was married 43 years until she died from the medical complications stemming from this.
Jord
Something is not right about all this…..
What took her so long , 40 years?!?!? To come out with it all of the sudden.
She have something against against him besides what he did. Was he a Trump supporter? Was she paid off by somebody because they didn’t like morris?
I question her just as much as him .
She was 12 years old. And from what I understand she reacted to seeing a public video of him saying that the indiscretion was with a young lady, instead of saying a child.
She brought it to the church, who didn't help. They wanted her to sign an NDA.
If you’re paying attention, she DID come fwd & was shut down by him & his protectors.
Offering her *_half_* of what she wanted to pay her mounting mental health treatment she was under. Not after millions as she could have gone for...just wanted her treatment taken care of.
So yeah... *HALF.*
And, ‘BTW, if we pay half, YOU sign an NDA for it!!!’🤮
Spoken like a true, _guilty_ party!
Thank God she didn’t take their bait!
@@lizh1988 Sure sign of guilt, right there...🤮
Clean your house, Father...👍
Why did she wait soooo long to come out???? Or is it cause he was a supporter of Trump???? How much????
Most abused people don’t come forward because of the shame attached to it.
And she came out almost 20 years ago and was threatened.
So she didn't wait that long. What did Trump have to do with it?
@@lizh1988seriously you know NOTHING about trauma
@@AlexEpley Rude, and not explaining the connection to Trump. Yes, I do know about trauma. She waited for many reasons, but she still did the best she could. Keep your hate to yourself.
You are falling in to the enemy trap. Pastor Morris resolve that problem 35 years ago with her father. Why you condemn pastor Morris? It seems like you know that woman more than pastor Morris or his wife Debbie. I pray to the lord to open your eyes and heart in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen
Oh please
Praying the same for you.🙏🙏🙏
I think you need to pray that over yourself, dear.🙏