🥊Election Debate: ANC vs DA on SA economy, Phala Phala, racism, loadshedding, affirmative action
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- In the fourth instalment of our SMWX Election Debate series, we are joined by ANCYL SG Mntuwoxolo Ngudle and the DA Tshwane Caucus Spokesperson Kwena Moloto to square off in a debate about which party should get your votw.
📚 Today’s Episode Features:
In this debate, areas of focus include coalitions, Phala Phala, Steenhuisen & Ramaphosa, loadshedding and Eskom, transformation & affirmative action and so much more!
💡 Special Guest - ANC Youth League Secretary General: Mntuwoxolo Ngudle & DA Tshwane Spokesperson: Kwena Moloto
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:01:10 - Opening Arguments
00:07:21 - Response Round One
00:13:43 - Response Round Two
00:19:43 - Open Round
00:30:50 - Closing Arguments
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Credits:
Director: Bongani Nkosi
Producer: Oratile Kekana
Production Manager: Noluthando Mkhize
DOP and Editor: Bongani Nkosi
2nd camera operator and assistant editor: Lesego Kgobe
Photographer: Bongani Nkosi
Social Media Manager: Oratile Kekana
About me: Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh is an author, scholar and founder of the Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh Xperience (SMWX), a digital, youth-centred current affairs platform. He holds a DPhil in International Relations from the University of Oxford and is a Lecturer in International Relations at Wits.
"It is difficult to defend the ANC without looking stupid"
- Mcebo Dlamini
Both of them
I concur @@michaelhlongwane5254
painful
Yaz lento iyahlesa at the same time iyadabukisa😂😢
ABSOLUTELY TRUE 💯💯💯💯💯
The ANC representative should have stayed at home. No contest for this DA representative. Facts versus bluster!
I don't think he prepared for this debate, he is just there to crush crush the DA instead instead of talking about his his ANC, very empty shame, I'm sorry
Anc lost the debate
Before I judge the debate I would like to set the record...I come from Eastern Cape and I am now in the Western Cape. And in as much as I hate to say this- the WC government is doing things I have never even imagined in EC.
- In the EC I have never seen rubish removal in the sqauter areas, I have never see toilets being cleaned in EC. You can hardly even see toilets in sqauter areas. In the WC they are cleaned almost every 2 days. City police in the EC are only available when there are politicians around- in the WC you cannot go 2KM without spotting policeman on duty. Searching and stopping cars. We can all be honest, people are running away from poverty created by the ANC in EC to seek economic freedom in WC.
Facts
Why do you hate to say it?
110%
That is such a credible comment coming from some one on the ground.
Fantastic debate. DA you are incredible.
Yes ANC should of stated far away.
ANC dude is just so pathetic, I couldn't simply listen his poor more like ridiculous answers to defend his party inability to run this country for the last years, ANC MUST GO 👇🏿 ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Great debate, I must say, this DA guy absolutely crushed the guy from the ANC. Thanks SMWX for the content.
Thanks for watching!
Absolutely
You're lying the DA guy was struggling while the ANC guy debated with ease!
@@Rolihlahla635 you Trolling right?
@@fokazib9842 it's a fact!!
The DA guy easily won. May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ lead our nation. ✝️❤️
A jewish guy with blonde hair and blues eyes will save SA.
Grotesque is too weak of a word.
And the DA🇿🇦
Amen
Well said DA 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
That's the way to going 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
ANC is crap💩, period‼️
ANC that brought democracy in South Africa 🇿🇦 is crap today.
@Jay-rd3hn ANC leaders can not see beyond their noses they lack vision, competence, and are extremely corrupt they have practically run the economy to the ground with their incompetence and corruption.. Freedom fighters don't make good leaders...
@@Jay-rd3hn South Africans brought the democracy
@@Jay-rd3hnThe world brought democracy to SA. ANC was just one entity of many.
DA guy you very good you will be a good leader if you stay by the DA
You're lying youre using that boy to lure black people to vote for a racist minority party
Absolutely, he is very well articulated.
They said the same thing to Mmusi.🤣
@@user-wd8po2nf5y Nobody can argue with that statement...
But still, DA is the party to vote for, based on what we all know...
@@meganjones3219 a party to vote for only if you're white.
This young man from the ANC need to get educated by his party.
He was educated by his party
@@wn9521😂😂😂 I see what you did there
@@wn9521lol
This is precisely what an ANC education looks like. When people show you who they are, believe them.
I am not a DA supporter but score on debate ANC =1 , DA =9 .To compare Edwin to the CEO of discovery is ridiculous. This chap should read an annual report and understand that the CEO is normally NOT the owner of a company . Those without skills / expertise can only accumulate wealth through nefarious means .
According to STATS SA, the Western Cape is by far the best governed Province in the whole of SA, thanks solely to the DA!!
Go to the Cape Flats
@@MidnightTheOne Most Kasi wards in CT are controlled by the ANC!!
The people would be far better off if they voted for DA ward councillors to look after their areas!!
@@tonitappous2422But whose running municipality as the whole?
@matlakewaltermasha9285 The City of Cape Town is the best run Metro ( receiving Clean Audits) in the whole of SA!!
It is run by the DA.
@@tonitappous2422 best run by "audits" whilst people live in abject poverty.....This is why ordinary people in this country REJECT every blab about this so called "demon-crazy" and it's regressive SELLOUT constitution. Africans fought and struggled to get JUSTICE, not a stupid "majority rule" lottery. ANC and DA are historically alergic to anything JUST. It's all about "law and order" conservative crap, whilst ppl are starving to death. Everyone need to be reminded, the real MAJORITY in SA, are ppl who've lost hope in anything about our electoral system.
The ANC fighting corruption was the most hilarious to me 😂
ANC does what it always does - attack the individual instead of laying out facts! DA wins the debate (even though I don't support them either!)
We need to start supporting the only honest, very capable and diverse political party that represents all South Africans, before it is too late to rescue our broken country and make it work again!!
Nobody has questioned why the whole top 7 in the ANC is black
What % of Whites reside in SA?
why would they question that when the ANC's membership is 90%+ plus black?
@@SiveLandeThey want to be the government of SA yet don’t have any white , Indian or Coloured voters , rubbish
@@christopherwalker1157 the problem with you white people, everything must be central to you. just because the ANC does not have a white vote then it must not lead. that is madness.
What are the demographics of the country ?
No DA supporter but wow, ANC is quite poor here and has nothing to stand on but a short period after 1994
it is a fact that the DA is the most pro-poor party in the country. the reason is simple: Steenhuisen drives a 45 year old car & does his own shopping at shoprite.
other party leaders see government as an opportunity to get their hands on budgets & power so that they can fund their lifestyles.
AÑC is really bankrupt imo.
Vote DA to bring honest good governance and infrastructure that works to where you live in SA!!
A capable State that delivers is far better than a failed State, which is where we are heading!!
The ANC speak as if they are the opposition. What is stopping the ANC from effectively implementing their own conference resolutions to transform the economy? I will never respect any youth that defends a party that fails to deal with the highest unemployment rate in the world.
Think send anc back to political school
Exactly,
What a poor performance from this ANC guy
Vote out the ANC , Vote DA 💙💙💙
Vote EFF
@@xr2kidNever , EFF and ANC is 1
@@xr2kidNever , EFF and ANC is 1
Vote eff to get yr life back
If EFF or MK join the ANC after the election.
I will be very disappointed in South Africa 🤦🏽♂️
Wow….. DA won the debate!
This debate was a clean sweep. Thanks again for moderating a great discussion. I would love to see a debate between the DA and BOSA/Rise Mzansi. It would be interesting to see how they differ in their value propositions to South Africans.
Defending the ANC was quite an exercise in mental gymnastics. I also recommend Bump Doctor for the razor burns.
The ANC dude has to be financialy benefiting from supporting the ANC I honestly don't know how you can defend that party that's collapsing our country in front of our eyes
I'm a coloured guy from Mitchell's Plain. I'm not voting for the DA in this elections, cause I believe that Mmusi is and needs to be the President of South Africa, but I must say.....Mitchell's Plain do get more than enough services from the DA. The problem we have is that the ANC has made our people lazy. Our people will break the things that is provided to the. We steal our infrastructure. We are the reason that we're still poor, cause we here in the Western Cape received the best services in the whole country, so don't let us blame the DA for a lack of service delivery. Instead blame the ANC that instilled in our people a culture of destroying everything that was given to us and the look at white people that looked after their infrastructure and say the DA only work for whites......that's a complete lie. Cape Town is run the best in the whole of South Africa.
If y'all vote DA out Cape Town will be a giant toilet like Joburg.
I’m voting DA only because I want ANC out but I would be over the moon if Mmusi was our president. He is a brilliant man. I will maybe vote for him locally
I like him too, I just worry it'll be a wasted vote. Ideals are a nice to have. We need delivery now. This is the problem.
It has to be DA to get the ANC out..BOSA is good but too small.
The DA guy was to strong!
Well said DA, spot, you won hands down!!!, shame even almost felt sorry for ANC.
"the majority of black south africans need the ANC to be lifted out of poverty"
yet Alexandria is still a massive township with extreme inhuman living conditions for 30 years later.
Every time the ANC guy talks I just start laughing 😂
🤣
It's either you laugh or cry, because as humorous as his completely nonsensical perspective on the politics of our country is, it's a massive worry that people like him are given a huge platform to ideologically shape the perspectives of others.
As long as the ANC is shameless of how they have ruled this country they will forever repeat their lies and stupidity
😂😂
Brahh😂😂
Great moderation by Sizwe
You can not blame opposition because the are not in cabinet or prisedent blame ANC in government
Listening to the ANC feels like a history lesson. Nothing to look forward to.
Blame the parties who are going to give ANC oxygen to continue government while poor are going to suffer
You do understand that it's the POOR keep the ANC in power, right? You can lead a darkey to water, but you can't make him drink.
It’s the poor that is doing it. Brain washed and left even more uneducated and then the other idiots running away from the anc is running towards other branches of the anc like eff, mk, pa, al jamah, good. People of colour apparently need leaders who are criminals.
DA won this by a mile. ANC youth league leader should take up comedy as a profession.
Do you know that the DA is the most racially diverse political party in the history of SA with Black, White, Coloured and Indian South Africans all featuring in its Top 6 Leadership??
The DA also has many very young and very capable leaders of all races across the 9 Provinces!!
Then why do they keep driving out black leadership?
You are white that is why you are saying that garbage.
So can we please vote out ANC. Since our country has not actually seen actual Democracy yet, since its been the same party since 1994.
Firstly,do you know anything about robbin island? So you people forget so soon, if I were u ,I would think before I talk people of today are full of lies because of jalousy.Try to be honest face reality
@@solldubula7291 look at 30 years in power. And then you face Reality for a change..
ANC cannot spin-doctor the last 6 years of RamaSofa misrule. They will be judged by the people on 29 May for their man-made stage 6 loadshedding, unemployed doctors and other graduates, phala phala, July 2021 riots etc. Ayeye, spread the🔥🔥
Not 6 yrs 30 yrs I know doctors were not working from 2014
@@sakhimatthew Tjooo. What kind of government does that to its own people?
It's a pity that the DA aren't judged by the same rules. They have governed the WC and Cape Town competently for years but black people say "it's too white - we'd rather vote for a corrupt black government than a competent white one."
They ignore the fact that most DA supporters are not white and that the DA supports non-racialism far more vigorously than the ANC.
How can South Africans still vote for the ANC if you look at what was in this country in terms of railways, roads, services, facilities, and many other things before 94 and what is left of it now?
@@nedor64 I don't glorify apartheid infrastructure because it was built at our expense, and it did not benefit us.
What I will say is that the sooner we get rid of the tender system and capacitate the state the better for everyone.
Where has ANC built a single town or city?
KFC and a T-shirt might not suffice in these upcoming elections, especially since people want land and jobs but ANC gives grown adults who have kids R350 per month to survive. We are enslaved by our own in 2024 LOL.
17 years of Load Shedding and hes saying they have now allowed IPPs! Why didn't they do it 17 years ago?
DA Guy speaking something sense & Cape Town brings in Économie in SA that is most City has been visite by toerisme compere to other Provincies
This ANC clown got smoked, it is impossible to defend the ANC especially when you’re not well informed or smart enough.
100
True 😂😂🤣
You're lying ,deep down you know that the ANC representative was clear, coherent and sound in his arguments but of course you won't give him props because you clearly hate the anc
@@Rolihlahla635
You are believing your own LIES. The liar is those who think voting for the same criminals will change things for the better🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
@@florencediallo8340 the criminals are the descendants of Colonizers
ANC just continued Apartheid without the segregation policies
Clearly you never understood apartheid
I operate in reality. The reality right now is that we're all poorer and more unemployed than ever before. There's more crime corruption and injustice than ever before.
The ANC are at a point that no one can defend them even if a few genuinely want to.
@@sindiso_ndlovu you clearly don't understand how economics works. I guess we're equal on the standing of my lack of understanding of apartheid and your lack of understanding in economics.
Stop playing the man play the ball
@@KutloanoMatela you sound like a child,you have no idea how apartheid actually affected the African majority.
Your trying to compare apartheid to the present economic situation.thats just clear ignorance
I think for the longest of time ANC benefited from the ignorance of the majority of blacks, you can still deduce from this chap's opening remarks that we should be thinking about what happened 300 years ago, and just ignore what we have been through just in the past 5 years.
Simon so true infact the ANC made it better to improve the badly Educated by lowering the pass rate and reduce the black education to below the Apartheid Goverment plan it's my personal opinion that young black poeple have been robbed of a deserving education y THE ANC itssi sad to see these young black don't know the true history of our Country and the true history of the founding off South Africa it's really very sad how the ANC perfected what the Apartheid Goverment tried to do ......KEEP BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS BADLY EDUCATED ........ Let's the global experts eveluate thus mess for me is bring in the Japanese to assist but fo truthful knowledge of this mess is good for Black South Africans to see that Juliaaas and Zuma will not fix our Country they are just as badly educated
I'm black and I'm embarred at what the ANC done to professional Black South Africans we all being victimised as Incompitent. Thieves like these fools in the EFF and MI call every white person racist and privileged the damaged done to good black South Africans need to be repaired by ridden us or Malema and Zuma and their interlectually challenged follower's
That is true
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER BA PHELELWE SHEM.
Sizwe good job bringing on this debate
All in all, this was the most mature debate I have seen in SA for a while. Nobody speaking over each other, everyone waiting for their turn. . . 👏
Any speaker who is defending the ANC in ANY debate is bound to look stupid.
All facts are against the ANC, the country is declining at an alarming pace and this is all of ANCs doing.
In 2021 LGE the ANC got 46% overall, i think this will also reflect in the NPE and i Love it!
The DA guy easily won this one!
Wow.. ANC is reading from Julius Malema's script heavily in this debate. When you're campaign is built on issues from past not present, it's the demise of a party.
The DA leader came out like Kendrick Lamar on a Drake diss track, absolute fire🔥🤣🤣🤣 This is what political debates should be like😂😂😂
Carlito WWE 🍎😂
Great show. Representative of the two parties are like chalk and cheese. . . . DA representative speaks common sense why ANC representative is poorly lacking in all areas. Viva DA 👍 and get lost ANC u just a spin doctor. 👎 Look at the facial expressions of the ANC representative its blatantly clear he does not even believe what he is saying.
ANC budgets don't go to anyone it only goes to their own pockets 😂😂😂
Mossel Bay’s DA build over a 1000 brand new public homes in Kwanonqaba they just finished the project, this ANC guy is lying through his teeth the DA did in-fact develop housing for the poor black population💯 check for yourself don’t be a blind sheep
29 May is the National IQ Test
Is that anc chap sober?????
Sizwe, can you interview knysna municipality and residents including Gayton
Yes or Beaufort West. Let the people of the Western Cape give the county a idea on how they feel about the DA. Especially the ekasi.
The most very dangerous is party who are going to help ANC to continue corruption and stealing while black are going to suffer again
It's not only the blacks that suffer.
Always the blacks
@comancheflyer4903 they are suffering the most tho, since majority of people in poverty are black ppl, and the poor rely on government services. When you have a sh!tty government, poor get the worst end of the stick.
@comancheflyer4903 absolutely you are right is all south Africa are suffering but is you choose to continue suffering or to stop suffering .
@icno3508 no is not always black is always about south Africa in general south Africa blong to Indian black white and colour.
Anc representative is totally misinformed totally not prepared for this. He does not know what he really standing for.
Hahaha you're lying, you and I both know that the ANC rep made sound arguments whilst the DA guy could only muster populist rhetoric and had nothing to offer in the way of policies
A great reality check by DA representative, identification of various aspects ,that negatively impacted this country's progress. ANC representative ,is still off loading apartheid baggage,S and delays progressive ways forwards. SA on its knees , which never was !
Sizwe M. Great show, exposing the politics/ politicians of our country .
People of SA want real facts/ actions materializing, not words with no substance.
Debate aside both parties are not worth voting for.
Strong views there. Well done young men. Thx Sizwe.
Poor people benefit the most from honest and very capable Governments like those run by the DA!!
This is because the DA does not steal public money, but instead spends public money honestly and properly on maintaining and building new infrastructure for our country and on delivering better quality basic services to the people!
Poor people rely heavily on government services because they cannot afford to replace them with better private ones!
Where these services are properly provided, poor people benefit the most since their quality of life improves dramatically!!
Anc guy did not get enough time to read and revise the script that he was given and to find that he was just bribed with R30 for energy drinks
He's lying my Township had electricity, swimming pools, technical schools and boxing gyms during Apartheid. We even had Night clubs.
Where are you from?
Bringing back the good debate nice🤗
Ayeye!
Thanks!
Welcome!
I absolutely love this channel, on a lighter note, the ODC was taking its toll on me when your beautiful rug on the wall wasn't in proportion with the side table behind you 🙈.... Today all is in order, interesting and relevant content as usual. THANK YOU SIR MPOFU WELSH🙏
The still trying his best to defend Phala Phala
We Voting them out on the 29th
This guy couldn't even outclass the DA guy shame on ANC
The chap in the yellow hat is talking absolute rubbbbbbbish!!! The kind of stuff the Gupta newspapers printed, utterly, totally unbelievable.
you’re doing very important work Sizwe! Thank you!
Listen carefully first he says the ANC grew the economy 4 times (1 becomes 4), then later they grew the economy with 4 digits (1 becomes 10000) ??? Is this the best the leaders our ANC have, ofcourse they will be happy with themselves, the math shows it 😂😂😂😢😢. Where is our leaders, that can hold their ground😢😢😢😢
This ANC clown is the best they have.
😂😂😂😂😂
@RungeCarl, in my books, Fikile Mbalula AKA "the motormouth", takes the top 🤡 position.
The four digits was based on how their personal bank accounts grew
Zone in on the Anc guys face when Edwin Sodi was mentioned. Guilty!!!!
In 2019, Ramaphosa benefited from State Capture and New Dawn propaganda. 2024 they use "30 years into Democracy"..😂😂
SMWX once again bringing us the best content
You know this!
After the he mentioned that Sodi was a Tinswalo I realized the ANC guy is a clown
Who is in government who is the president or cabinet
So the president doesn't own property in the western cape, camps bay.
Can we get a version of this where we have political parties acknowledge what the others do well?
I also like the point of Camps bay vs Philippi when you have Sandton vs Alexandria. We really have common problems and neither party has a silver bullet. Without acknowledging our own deficiencies on the political stage it serves to highlight that our politicians won't be the ones to solve our problems. Democracy needs to be about active citizenry and not finger pointing.
Great debate....
A.N.C 😂joke
Hi all this guy just made a huge mistake he said since the ANC took over the economy has grown to a trillion plus what he meant to say was since the ANC took over they have stolen a trillion plus
Wow, what a great debate ! I like how the interview ended, it reflects the level of pollical maturity we have reached as South Africans. No interruptions, each speaker said their point succinctly. In this case, I will not judge and say who won, but both speakers did well in terms of articulating their political ideas. Great work Sizwe and your SMWX team!
Nami I was also impressed by the ending. I think this interview went quite well however I was looking for more information just like how the other parties given in the previous debates.
The ANC does not represent South Africans, they represent Africans and do so very poorly. The money that enables services is from taxes paid by South Africans, not gifts given by the ANC. They have not made a dent in the quality and living standards of South Africans as a whole, and Africans in particular. Everything is going to pot under their watch.
The ANC does not represent Africans, that ended at CODESA.
If by Africans you mean everyone not born in South Africa then you're 100% right 😂
@@mpilompanza9101 'African' is an ethnicity not nationality. Stay in school... Or go back. 🤦
Last I checked, South Africa was in Africa.
@@wn9521 Read my statement again. I don't think you understood it. 😂😂😂
I’m listening to the intro and listening to ANC motivate why we must vote for them. It’s hard convincing someone born in 1994 with that stance. It doesn’t appeal to the youth because we more liberal and require tangible evidence which they have failed. And it’s for that reason why they won’t get support from the “ama 2000” era.
A discussion that’s hardly had is one where the ANC hasn’t really “created” new votes. They have always been reliant on the masses of 1994 when our mothers and grandparents voted. That class is dwindling through natural causes and old age. Imagine how many 60yr olds voted in 1994… most have passed on. 50yr olds etc…
Failing to lobby the younger generation is and will be their downfall.
One organisation downplay corruption, lack of service delivery, economic collapse, crime and many other negative social effects while the other downplay racism.
You should have invited Sihle Lonzi to deal with them
Dr Sizwe, you should have invited our own Sinawo Tambo to teach these fellows politics.
This is the best and brightest the ANC has to offer, no wonder South Africa is in such a bad state. You should also have asked why all the anc top leaders are black.
Yeah the ANC guy is correct, i am staying in the Western Cape from 2021. It's nice and beautiful in the cities with well maintained roads. Credit to the Government of DA ke lapho.....but what a difference when you go to ekasi particularly where black people stay...."NO GO ZONE" it's not safe at all, shacks dominantly sewer spillage every second street and really sad reality to witness.
Most Kasi wards are ANC controlled. The people would be far better off voting for DA ward councillors to look after their areas!!
Why do you get Sandton? and down the road is Alex do they live in shacks?
Why don’t you clean your kasi?
Womp womp those wards Vote for ANC. You must reap what you sow
Da ANC lost before it started
African National Criminals dnt have the best interest of the country but their pockets
30 years has been wasted
A good debate
The young ANC Youth League leader is good as a person and did quite, but the ANC baggage makes it a hard sell. The DA Youth leader did well and, in fact won the debate. It is not difficult to win a debate against the ANC, CV under the current circumstances, which is a pity, if one thinks if the ANC's erstwhile illustrious history.
Who to be blame is the party in government or opposition .
Yes MK and EFF please. Take us back to the Mesozoic ages. Screw commonsense, the first world has nothing on us. We strive in Africa to be more paleolithic. Viva Comrade viva!!!! Viva disinvestment viva!!!! Huba huba!!!!
Shame the ANC guy still harping on apartheid and its always someone elses fault for their bad governance.
DA wants to build south africa with all races not just ANC caders.
What a nice civil debate. Loved the jokes.
Pray everyone votes DA .we need a different party in power
your Da call it "doomsday" its coming.
Such debates needs EFF.
Thank you Sizwe🎉
AND very articulate, really worth listening to... DA nothing concrete to put on the table - Just another token.
ANC RUBBISH ORGANIZATION UBANI LONA INGANE IDLA IDAMU YENCELA ELI RONG
We need an eff Vs da debate
EFF dont know how to debate All they can do is shout and jump, cause a racket!
@@brunocarreiro7796 wrong
Please bring EFF and the DA before elections Sizwe, I wanna see something.
DA guy you are best