SPIDER-MAN 1985 - 1995 - A History of Cancelled & Unused Projects
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- SPIDER-MAN
• Timestamps . . .
00:00:00 - How Marvel met Cannon
00:03:52 - 1976 - Stan Lee tries to adapt Marvel Comics For Cinema.
00:13:32 - Stan Lee Goes To Hollywood
00:19:29 - Jim Shooter's 'Spider-Man: Operation Z'
29:05 - Leslie Stevens / Tobe Hooper Hired & Fired
39:27 - Ted Newsom & John Brancato Hired
42:33 - Joe Zito Hired
44:00 - Pre-production
49:10 - Newsom / Brancato Screenplay Breakdown
01:28:33 - Barney Cohen Rewrite / Scott Leva
01:33:20 - Menahem Golan Rewrite & Overspending spree
01:38:00 - He-Man / Superman 4 / Zito Exits
01:42:15 - Albert Pyun's Spider-Man Script Breakdown / He-Man Sequel
02:02:54 - Don Michael Paul's Redraft / 'Night Ghoul'
02:04:00 - Ethan Wiley Rewrite / 'Scorpion Man'
02:08:15 - Giancarlo Perretti buys Cannon Films
02:11:00 - Golan & Globus Split / 21st Century Films & Captain America
02:13:35 - Frank LaLoggia Treatment
02:16:50 - Stan Lee's 'Spider-Man: The Untold Story' / Neil Ruttenberg
02:19:20 - James Cameron's Spider-Man
02:25:45 - Holland, Maguire & Garfield / Conclusion
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00:00:00 - How Marvel met Cannon
00:03:52 - 1976 - Stan Lee tries to adapt Marvel Comics For Cinema.
00:13:32 - Stan Lee Goes To Hollywood
00:19:29 - Jim Shooter's 'Spider-Man: Operation Z'
29:05 - Leslie Stevens / Tobe Hooper Hired & Fired
39:27 - Ted Newsom & John Brancato Hired
42:33 - Joe Zito Hired
44:00 - Pre-production
48:40 Newsom / Brancato Screenplay Breakdown
01:28:03 - Barney Cohen Rewrite / Scott Leva
01:32:50 - Menahem Golan Rewrite & Overspending spree
01:37:30 - He-Man / Superman 4 / Zito Exits
01:41:45 - Albert Pyun's Spider-Man Script Breakdown / He-Man Sequel
02:02:24 - Don Michael Paul's Redraft / 'Night Ghoul'
02:03:30 - Ethan Wiley Rewrite / 'Scorpion Man'
02:07:45 - Giancarlo Perretti buys Cannon Films
02:10:30 - Golan & Globus Split / 21st Century Films & Captain America
02:13:05 - Frank LaLoggia Treatment
02:16:20 - Stan Lee's 'Spider-Man: The Untold Story' / Neil Ruttenberg
02:18:50 - James Cameron's Spider-Man
02:25:15 - Holland, Maguire & Garfield / Conclusion
When should we expect the extended director's cut?
You're a gem, dude. I've always dreamed about if they had really pulled this production off. Thank you for the stamps.
P.S. You might wanna pin your comment so it doesn't get lost for viewers.
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Audit to Audit.....
I love both of the channels if you haven't seen Audit to Audit check it out
Supervoid cinema on pre production topic what song synthetic is this you played please if you know send me information I love 80s sounds wave
It's baffling how many big players in this story had so many BAD ideas for screen plays & casting. Including Stan Lee.
The hell what bad idea did Stan Lee have? I feel the horror idea from Tobe Hopper and James Cameron were the worst
Stan's journey to get Spider-Man on the big screen would be a great movie in itself.
"We just bought Superman!"
Hilarious. I would love to have seen the lok on his face
Fun fact:
Marvel Productions Limited was originally founded by David DePatie and animation legend Friz Freleng as DePatie-Freleng Enterprises (DFE).
Its surprising to learn how many directors who made horror films tried their hand in making a spider man film.
Carl Weathers As Luke Cage might have been pretty cool actually.
And stallone as the punisher💀
Hulk Hogan on getting beaten by Spidey: "That's not gonna work for me, brother."
I could listen you talk about unmade movies forever. Thank you for your continuing hard work!
Thanks so much for watching!
Excellent video. The Newsome script sounded amazing (ha) and could have been an MCU catalyst 30 years earlier. What an incredibly missed opportunity
Despite being a huge comic and Spider-Man fan, I kind of want to see the Leslie Stevens horror version. It actually sounds kind of cool despite being so different from the actual comics.
Been highly anticipating the next Supervoid drop. Couldn't have come at a better time.
It’s always fascinating to hear about the films that weren’t made for one reason or another. Sometimes they had potential and other times it’s for the best that they weren’t made. Thank you for the great work and take care!
Cheers man.
Shit I wish they were all made. Especially that literal one. Sounds so insane. You know they just had to be Sniffing some good stuff lmaoo
Theres no way in the 80s they could of pulled this type of movie off
Something I really wonder about the Newsome / Brancato scripted Spider-Man is how they would've handled Doc Oc's tentacles in the 1980s. Even in the 90s it would've been difficult.
As a Spider-Man fan myself, I'm really excited to see this video!
Facts 🔥 spidey da 🐐
I find the title super clickbait
Just a "simple CZcams video" is much more informative and has a better production, pace and writing than standard television programming in my country. Bravo, sir! I knew about most of the scripts but the video extends to further information about writers, deals and acquisitions that I wasn't aware of. Both Stan Lee and Sam Raimi didn't get the respect they deserved in the old days.
I love Andrew Baldwin's narration. So much life. I like the other guys narration. But Andrew Baldwin's is just perfect -- I never see anyone commenting about it. But this guy, Andrew makes it interesting to listen to, he even has his own remarks, different voices and doesn't sound like a robot like most people who do this kind of stuff. I love this channel so much, keep it up, whoever works on this channel. Both people. If there is two people. Either way. Much love to this channel.
I've always loved those Canon comic cover promo shots. I wish like hell we could have had that movie. If Dan Poole could (kinda) pull it off, Hollywood could've made it work in the era prior to CGI.
You have no idea how happy and grateful for this!! I love all the hard work that everyone on this channel contributes to and it's a pleasure to Deep dive into these well produced well written documentaries!
Really appreciate you as a viewer, for real.
@@SupervoidCinema can you make a video about David Fincher's Spider-Man?
Time to grab some popcorn! 😊
Love this, as a former comic collector (60's-70's), this was a great watch. Also, discovering the narrator's was was a pleasnt surprise, as he narrates Audit the Audit, and and channel I enjoy.
Great to hear his voice on this excellent video.
All of these unmade comic book films deserve to at least be adapted into comic book form. I'd happily buy them!
I've been waiting for another SuperVoid Cinema drop🔥🔥🔥🔥
Videos like this are why I love CZcams. So interesting. So fascinating. So well done. I could watch content like this all day. Thank you.
Amazing. Just an amazing retelling of the history of all the unmade scripts and details known and unknown. Was an incredible watch.
31:50 So, Peter is captured by an evil organization that tries to turn him into a monster, but he decides to use the powers they gave him against them to protect humanity? Somehow they managed to go all the way back to Kamen Rider.
Andrew Baldwin's narration voice is astounding!
This has to be one of the best things in all of CZcams ever. Absolutely amazing video.
Can't wait to sit down to this when the other half is at work. Thanks for the great work as always!
Incredible video as always. Really loved the wrestling video game footage; very clever and funny.
Another favor, Can you guys make the history of cancelled projects on the franchise of jurassic park: including diffrent versions of the movie, never made sequels that were changed into what we got in the end to 2022 and the animated projects that never went far into production until jurassic world camp cretaceous (2020)?
Absolutely _fantastic_ channel. These documentaries... The content, the editing, the professional and resonant voice-over... _Everything!_ It's all of the highest standard.
Bravo.
Hopefully lots more to come, thank you very much for watching!
Dude, this is gonna be so good!
I have a suggestion, can you make a video about the Cancellation of a Green Lantern movies all the way through 90s to 2008 ?
Seconded
I need to carve out some time to watch this. It’s going to be good.
This channel is so great-the copy is so well written, researched and performed. Keep making these!
I’ve been watching your videos since the early days of your channel history, and I am always impressed and proud of how far you’ve come, so much detail and entertaining work. Plus your recaps of the movies are so in depth and well detailed, it feels like I’m watching the movie, and I’ll always be grateful for that, thank you.
Thanks for sticking around, the encouraging words are much appreciated!
Love how you go so in-depth with these vids and the visual you add. Could be a quick 20
Min but it’s just awesome!!! Keep up the good work!!
Regardless of if you think he directed Poltergeist or not (I think he did), it's genuinely sad that people looked down on him and his talents as a director because of that whole needless controversy.
I can't believe I listened to almost THREE HOURS of this, but it was SO GOOD 👍!!!!
Subscribing for more!!
I'll be honest. THIS. I mean this is a fantastic video, even your Jim Cameron's Spidey video as well.
I feel this was well looked into researching lot of info. And I can sense Joe Zito's comments of his shocked reaction on the slashed budget was from my interview with Zito (which was a complicated process to go through, but it was easy setting it up through his wife, Bobbi - although it was a wonderful interview).
And I'll be honest about the takes on a Spidey film.
They're vastly interesting to learn.
Steve Krantz's take. Oy vey. Way off, haha. I know I did get a chance to access Silliphant papers to which I read his Spider-Man treatments, and it had a robot in it, no Nazis btw, but though the two treatments by Silliphant were awful. Not good. I love Silliphant for Silent Flute, In the Heat of the Night, Towering Inferno, but Spidey - terrible.
Leslie Steven's. Intriguing premise. But not for a first Spidey film. But good for a solo horror film if Cannon made it.
Stan Lee's treatment/outline (51 pages). I love Stan a lot. But his treatment was so way off imo, haha. Good if it can turned into a comic book like William Gibson's Alien 3.
Ted Newsom & John Brancato. Nothing to say about it. Only the words I can say. Absolutely lovely and brilliant. I remember reading it many times and still love it.
Barney Cohen (April 1, 1986 draft) - Okay, but a terrible script.
Shepard Goldman/Albert Pyun - Not that good. And you can see the many omitted stuff on the pages shows the struggle that Cannon, even Pyun were going through their best to make a Spidey film. By the way, R.I.P. - Albert Pyun...
Menahem's (Joseph Goldman) rewrite. Definitely stupid as heck. Ock gets bitten by a spider and when he kidnaps Liz, telling Spidey that he is the true Spider-Man.
Frank LaLoggia's treatment. I look back. I liked it at first. But looking back, it's cool, but way off with Pete and Liz cross-dress, way weird.
Scott Leva & Steve Webb's script. According to what Scott told me - it was not for Cannon, but it was only written as a spec script. But though, it's a spectacular (no pun intended) script ever written that could've been turned into a audio drama like Dennis Etchison's adaptation of Stephen King's The Mist and William Gibson's Alien 3.
I'm glad when I was a teenager, which I look back and it was so wild, that I would research a lot into the history of Spidey in Film.
Glad to get Ted Newsom (who unfortunately isn't with us anymore, but he was a wonderful friend on Facebook back in 2015, but very wise, even humorous) and Scott Leva for my podcast in 2016. I did interview Neil Ruttenberg in 2017 but only I could amount to excerpts in my channel. And I was gonna get Zito for my 2016 podcast, but never got the reply from messaging his FB. And once last year I got a chance to call Zito's number, his wife picked up and we talked, and I found out that Zito didn't had a FB. So that was surprising, but she was willing to set up a interview and I did the interview with Joe in late-August, and it was 2 hrs long. Cut it down to 1 hr and 52 mins. Had sent it to them to get it approved than just releasing it. They both loved it - but Joe had suggested something to which I felt the way I cut it is the best way I had to do. It may had to do with my first question to Joe, to which in the final version I trimmed the introduction to myself asking the first question. But though, it was a wonderful interview still.
Anyway of long talk, haha...
To the fellow who runs Supervoid Cinema. Fantastic job on the video!!!
Hey, I'm really glad you saw it, I listened to your 'Spider-Man In Film Podcast , the interviews with Newsom and Leva, many times, long before I started any channel and I always considered you the foremost authority on this unmade Cannon project on the internet.
CORRECTION : Bill Bixby played DAVID Banner in the Hulk TV show. ...because show runners thought "Bruce" was not a macho enough name. Not kidding.
Yeah, that was a Stan Lee quote not mine, I referred to him as Doctor Banner, Stan Lee gave an interview calling him Bruce, Lee would famously get the character's first name muddled up, even calling him Bob.
You should do a video about the Stan Lee's unproduced Monster Maker script that he wrote Alain Resnais in the 70s, nobody ever talks about it, it's mentioned Marvel Comics The Untold Story, but it's hard to find any information on it.
Ahh so glad you’re back. I love your in depth vids so much, rewatched most of them multiple times lol
Yes! Love to see you back with another video. I truly believe this is one of the BEST film channels out there. Your passion, the research you provide, it just doesn’t get any better than this. And being a lifelong spiderman fan, it’s only right to come back with video like this! Looking forward to watching and hoping to see more in the future!
I really love y’all’s videos on these movies.
Any chance y’all could do videos on unmade terminator movies (if any) or the unmade (and supposedly cursed)Atuk film?
These are interesting to learn about. Even if they don't get made (honestly I'm glad James Cameron's and that other one didn't get made), but they give an insight on what was going on back then.
Excellent video!!! I really wanted to know more about the plans that Cannon had for Spiderman since you mentioned it on the video about the James Cameron project. It's really mindblowing for how many stages the film went and in every case nothing came from it. Thanks for the video. I hope there are more coming!!!
We're gonna get a Dazzler Disney+ series in which she's a social media influencer, aren't we?
Gosh can't believe the MCU was almost being made before it actually was made sure have loved watching these videos about Marvel movies that almost saw the light of day
Thank you for making this.
Thanks for taking time to watch, I'm very grateful!
You deserve so many more subscribers, this is amazing, thank you thank you.
I'm glad you liked it and I really appreciate your time watching & leaving a comment.
This channel is way underrated considering the quality and the obvious hours and hours of research that go into each and every video I am shocked at this channel is not a million plus subscribers. Keep up the good work someday soon people will recognize it and it will skyrock et
hope you keep making, always interesting and contain info ive never heard
Do Watchmen directed by Terry Gilliam. Love how they completely ignored Steve Ditko’s involvement in the teaser.
Would love it if someday you did a video about the cancelled Gambit movie and maybe the other cancelled X-Men movies
Sam raimi has been the only one to do it right so far. Great video !
Very good masterpiece. Salute from Portugal. Can I give sugestions? King Conan crown of Iron, Brazzaville the Casablanca sequel, the gladiator sequel and the e.t. sequel.
almost 3 hours jesus guys
Thank you for making this you work so hard I hope CZcamss algorithm helps your channel alot
Hey, thank you for watching!
I have a lot of unprouced Superhero Script such as
-David Self's Namor (2004)
-Aronkfsky's The Wolverine (2011)
-Goyer's Venom (1997)
-Petrovich's Thor (2007)
-Michael Bay's Lobo (2008)
-Kalogridis's Wonder woman (2004)
-Marks's Suicide Squad (2011)
-August's SHAZAM (2008)
-Joshua Oppenheimer's Dr Strange (2010)
-Schumacher's Batman: The Dark Knight.
-Wacowski's Plasticman
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Do you have anything on James Cameron's Spider-man film that never got made
@@The_Blue_Otaku i got treatment written by Cameron, and Script that was adapted from that treatment
@@The_Blue_Otaku here's the script. At first Raimi want to used Cameron treatment (Electro and Sandman as the villains) drive.google.com/file/d/1SzozT-kWIn5he2iLf2UBJ5Pb5ZHSUZ5u/preview
I would have gone to see all of these movies...
Was wondering if you'd make a video about Jodorowsky's Dune or Kubrick's Napoleon. I suspect these two films would've radically changed the course of cinema had they been made.
Thank you for the video.
Woa! It's the audit the audit dude lol
Incredible video
I wish they showed these Spideys in the Spidey universe
Great to see some concept art and storyboards! Where did you get them from?
The Nikita Knatz storyboards were sold on a movie memorabilia site, mislabelled as Raimi boards due to Sony's ownership of everything and other sketches were from an old issue of Cinefantisque covering the history prior to the 2002 Spider-Man release.
Awesome thank you!
I remember years ago I had an issue of I think Comics Interview that was focused on Spiderman. One of the interviews was with Ted Newsom, who talked about his script and I agree with your assessment. If I could magic one superhero movie into existence, it would be this one.
Bravo. Great work.
Appreciate you watching!
The Newsome script is actually spectacular(heh).
Bloody good video!!!!!
Awesome 😮
Please consider doing a video on the never to see the light of day Elric of Melnibone movie by Wendy Pini who made Elf Quest. A book was made about it called Law and Chaos the stormbringer animated film project.
Your voice fits perfect with your work
Fantastic, fantastic.✌🏽
I love this video! All the videos on this channel are great but as a Spider-Man fan, I couldn't ask for a better documentary regarding this history! It's all so fascinating! I would love to know where you found some of these scripts, especially the Scott Leva/Steve Webb one. You mention that it's "available online" but I can't for the life of me find it. Everyone seems to love it and I'd love to give it a read myself. Thanks again for all the research and work to make this excellent video!
@@SupervoidCinema Email sent! Thank you so much!
I’m definitely good with these staying as unmade movies. The Newsom/Brancato script sounded fine for the most part, but I’m definitely not down with the whole Doc Ock making a reality warping machine and the Pyun script sure sounded like… something. Not a good something, but it definitely seemed like something.
Damn... Jim Shooter's treatment is unfilmable. Hell, I'm not sure it would even fly in the comics. (Not for one issue anyway). What was he thinking?
Did I miss something or was there a script that had Spider-Man fighting a teenage thug and it was ACTUALLY A FIGHT? Like did Spider-Man lose his super strength for some reason? I don’t know why that almost angered me hearing about that idea
Currently building DeLorean time machine to go back to the period you talked about to when that Variety came out so I could offer Stan a measly 10,000 to buy the Marvel film rights and make it a in perpetual rights through 2010 deal and also get Kevin Feige involved lol
The Gemini Man TV Show was featured on an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000, in hilarious fashion! It was 2 episodes strung together and passed off as a full "movie" called: "Riding With Death".
0:25 The music from that trailer is from John Williams Superman The Movie Soundtrack: The Planet Krypton.
It’s funny to me listening to some of these older comic book adaptation pitches and how batshit they were. Like the one where Spiderman was going to be ninja. Or having Spiderman fight a robot and Nazis. I think just because these executives didn’t take it seriously and thought they had to do more to make it profitable. You can tell in a lot of old pitches they never read a comic in their life lol
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Took long enoughy next maybe the history of the american godzilla from the first attemptbi 1983 to the first tristar Version in 1994 to the disater that was godzilla 1998
C. Thomas Howell would have been a Good Spidey i think. Ironic he turned up in the Amazing Spiderman
You mentioned it was to be cinematic debut but in the UK I saw 3 Spider-man films at the cinema in the late 70s to early 80s; The Amazing Spider-man followed by Spider-man Strikes Back and Spider-man: The Dragon's Challenge, which I'm aware were shown on CBS in the US but were in cinemas all around the world. I feel very lucky they were because I loved seeing them on the BIG screen as opposed to a 21" TV with adverts throughout......
You know what back then in the 80’s Cannon films should not own the rights for Marvel’s Spider-Man Movie 🎥 in the 80’s but in 1985 Roger Corman should been a Producer of the first live action marvel’s Spider-Man movie 🎥 from the 80’s but this was long before Tobey Maguire Andrew Garfield & Tom Holland I mean back in the 80's that he should made a First Marvel's Spider-Man movie when he fought Dr Doom (just like in the comic books) but they will be some casting choice like Christopher Atkins as Spider-Man/Peter Parker Jennifer Runyon as Black Cat/Felicia Louise Fletcher as Aunt may Michael Caine as Uncle Ben Catherine Mary Stewart as Mary Jane Don Murray as Jona Jameson Billy Dee Williams as Robbie Robertson Richard Gere as Agent Nick Fury and Jennifer Beals as Black Widow & even the Bad guys are going too be played by great 👍 late actors like Bodybuilder late David prowse as Dr Doom late Raul Julia as the Voice of Dr Doom Miles O’Keefe as The Scorpion late Andre the giant as The Rhino Mark hamill as the Green Goblin John Travolta as The Lizard Michael Berryman as The Vulture Paul Clemens as Arcade and Martin Hewitt as Flash Thompson/Tarantula Monster 👹 Even the Filmmakers Choice like Directed by Sean S Cunningham (who made the first Friday the 13th movie 🎥 with Jason’s mom in it) Producer by Roger Corman (the king of Low budget movies) executive producer by Stan Lee & Albert Pyun Make up artists by Dick Smith Creature effects by John Carl Buechler Stop Motion animated sequence by Phil Tippett special-effects technician by Greg Jein Visual effects by Richard Edlund & Jon Berg production designer by William Sandell music by Wendy Carlos screenplay by Renny harlin Writer by Michael E. Uslan Professional stunt double by Jean Claude Van Damme (in a Spider-Man Costume) and now they call’ed it Spider-Man vs Doctor Doom (1985) from New World pictures and Association with Marvel predictions Ltd But this will be the first live action Marvel Superhero 🦸♂️ Movie 🎥 Called Spider-Man Vs Doctor Doom (1985) but it will be From New World Pictures and Marvel Production Ltd but unfortunately the 80’s Live Action Spider-Man Movie might be a low budget because it might be on VHS 📼 from New World home video and it’s going too be like Superman 2 (1981 movie) The Empire strikes back (1980 Movie) and Fast Times at Ridgemont high (1982 Movie) and it’s not Cannon Films Related it’s from New World Pictures!!!!!!!!!!
This is genuinely fascinating stuff. I personally found the mutant horror version of Spider-Man really interesting, but it would have been a flop.
I can barely hear some of the narrations in these videos. I think it would be helpful if you guys can get a better recording device or increase the volume a bit. I had no idea what was said at around 49:17 or 1:00:17 as examples. I have to skip ten seconds earlier at least a dozen times per video. I would really appreciate it if you guys improved your audio.
I unforgivably messed up the background music on this video by having it too high and there was one track I forgot to normalise, sorry about that & really appreciate you watching!
I'm really glad those clowns didn't get to ruin Spiderman.
God I was unaware of a lot of these other movies the only one I knew about was James Cameron's which I'm glad never saw the light of day I feel the Newsom Brancato one could have been good
They could have made many Spider-Man movies off those comic and mess everything with these movies they got out now and they picked the wrong Spider-Man's to play of Peter Parker and MJ. All the villains would have been in it, and the superheroes mentioned and in the comic book storyline of Spider-Man
This has to be the guy that does audit the audit same voice same cadence
Jimm shooter operation z sounds asome!
What if tim burton directed this film?
Thank goodness for Stan....one wonders if Marvel died out in the 70s what would take its place other than the overplayed star wars
Batman perhaps?
Where did you find these screenplays? I would love to read them.