Masterclass nº4 Shai Wosner - No. 17 - Barenboim on Beethoven

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  • Playlist: • Barenboim on Beethoven...
    David Kadouch - Sonata No. 16, first movement.
    Saleem Abboud Ashkar - Sonata No. 21 "Waldstein", first movement.
    Lang Lang - Sonata No 23 "Appassionata" , first movement.
    Shai Wosner - Sonata No. 17 "Tempest", first movement.
    Alessio Bax - Sonata No. 29 "Hammerklavier", fourth movement.
    Jonathan Bliss - Sonata No. 30, third movement.

Komentáře • 73

  • @albanvic
    @albanvic Před rokem +14

    The real beauty of this is that Barenboim the ultimate piano genius is imparting his knowledge to the next generation.

  • @JohnHarmer
    @JohnHarmer Před 3 lety +14

    Barenboim injects an unbelievable energy into every single moment of the movement.

  • @jrodriguezpiano
    @jrodriguezpiano Před 3 lety +54

    I notice a difference between Lang Lang, the world renowned concert pianist, and Shai, Shai takes criticism more slowly and sometimes with argument. Lang Lang makes corrections immediately and effortlessly. Maybe its not about how well you can play piano that determines your success, but how good you are at adapting and improving.

    • @playanythingmusictherapy
      @playanythingmusictherapy Před 3 lety +8

      @James Cunico I agree with you there but I think something I noticed was that Lang Lang seemed much more open to the suggestions while it seemed to me that Shia took it personally. That's just my interpretation though.

    • @wwbdwwbd
      @wwbdwwbd Před 3 lety +9

      @James Cunico "The ones that usually take a longer time to soak in new information retain the information better and put it to good use..." Utter nonsense. Decades of cognitive research have proven this to be completely false.

    • @davidsosa538
      @davidsosa538 Před 3 lety +11

      True, in that sense I would remark something that Lang Lang himself said on the interview, his early musical education in China was totally focused on technique and finger virtuosity, not so much on the concept, so he´s willing to easily accept everything that maestro Barenboim says about the concept (everyone should!), but some american, jewish or french pianists in the series have some other previously formed approach to some passages and it is difficult for them to quit it. Now, Lang´s ability to adjust effortlessly that you mention is indeed awesome, he is a technical virtuoso.

    • @albanvic
      @albanvic Před rokem

      No surprise, Israelis argue about everything which is what makes them a great nation but musically they are number one. By that, I mean real music, not the garbage we are offended by every day.

    • @tinkerchel
      @tinkerchel Před rokem +1

      I like Both Lang Lang and Shai. In Shai's defense, I admire that he was very thoughtful and humble in his responses to the Maestro. Though I agree Lang Lang showed truly humbleness(and genius) by taking instructions fast. I also think Shai's way of putting up a small fight as opposed to obeying blindly commendable.

  • @jazzporridge1506
    @jazzporridge1506 Před 4 lety +36

    Barenboim is a supreme ambassador for our civilisation. Soloist, accompanist, chamber musician, conductor, educator, diplomat, evangelist. I'd have him make First Contact with the aliens. I love him. These masterclasses are marvellous. Thanks.

  • @lecomtedelalune
    @lecomtedelalune Před 4 lety +8

    I'm a massive admirer of Barenboim although not unreservedly so. However this lesson on the Tempest sonata is magnificent from beginning to end. In particular, his words about the a minor second subject are a revelation. Fascinating!

  • @iLoveChopin
    @iLoveChopin Před 3 lety +6

    As an amateur, this video gives me encouragement. Even professional pianist gets shredded to bits.

  • @christinestill5002
    @christinestill5002 Před 4 lety +20

    Barenboim & his first student who, like many, know the notes but can't teach the story, the feelings in the piece, the heart. Wonder if it's only family/ teachers allowed to watch. A date this took place would be great! Barenboim never looks at his piano; just knows every piece & waits to see which of his five languages you speak. Living genius.

  • @ivanwebberdossantos2695
    @ivanwebberdossantos2695 Před 2 měsíci

    Aulas magistrais. Legado de gênio para nossa evolução e compreenção das magníficas sonatas de Beethovem.

  • @nevskixx
    @nevskixx Před 4 lety +6

    This was a helpful masterclass. His experience of playing these sonatas all his life has given him perspective to go deeper with the student in this oft played well known work. It would have been more beneficial if he had talked about the remaining movements., but we can't have everything.

  • @AbnerChamate
    @AbnerChamate Před 4 lety +2

    So perfect this music on those hands. Thank you.

  • @ghirardellichocolate201
    @ghirardellichocolate201 Před 3 lety +3

    Really talented musician.

  • @peterkovacs9951
    @peterkovacs9951 Před 4 lety +19

    What kind of steinway is that?? It sounds so good.

  • @AndresPalaoOrtegaPiano
    @AndresPalaoOrtegaPiano Před 4 lety +12

    5:05 ooooouh I know that man sitting alone in the last chair

  • @sherlockholmeslives.1605
    @sherlockholmeslives.1605 Před 6 lety +9

    These people are far more brilliant than me!
    I can't play the piano but I mean their sheer giftedness compared with me having no gifts whatsoever!

    • @prs_81
      @prs_81 Před 5 lety +12

      Mike Fuller no. They just work hard. You're blaming your laziness on "having no gifts".

    • @reliableandrew
      @reliableandrew Před 5 lety +3

      @@prs_81 ...Absolutely correct Paasiya, this is not 'intelligence', not even so much 'skill', it is WILL...of which sheer hard work is a component of.

  • @tinkerchel
    @tinkerchel Před rokem

    Curious question: Why is Shai the only student not in the end credit dinner scene??
    I actually loved that bit~

  • @orlandomendez1995
    @orlandomendez1995 Před 3 lety +3

    Beethoven, so close to God, coming from hell. What could be of our existence without him?

  • @cristiangately2478
    @cristiangately2478 Před 3 lety +2

    como puede tocar el piano sin mirar las teclas?¿ que crack

  • @pepeloco65
    @pepeloco65  Před 6 lety +17

    durissimo, me hace acordar al chino...

    • @franciscocarrasco8629
      @franciscocarrasco8629 Před 6 lety

      pepeloco65 supongo que tú lo haces mejor, o me equivoco? (:

    • @alberto798
      @alberto798 Před 6 lety +7

      Me descojono con tus comentarios en cada video

    • @pepeloco65
      @pepeloco65  Před 6 lety +1

      A. G. No me vas a decir que no está bueno.. especialmente después del minuto veinte

    • @franciscocarrasco8629
      @franciscocarrasco8629 Před 6 lety +1

      pepeloco65 ¿y para cuándo subes tu master con Barenboim? :o ¿o es que quizás eres tú el que le da clases? Maquinita del piano 😂😂😂

    • @marckantony3193
      @marckantony3193 Před 6 lety

      Me doy cuenta que muchos profesores creen saber interpretar

  • @lvbdevinelove2329
    @lvbdevinelove2329 Před 2 lety +2

    Did this pianist Shai forget his sheet music ? For a masterclass with the great Maestro Barenboim? I try not to jump to conclusions...

    • @predrop
      @predrop Před rokem

      They are supposed to remember the entire sheet, some just bring the sheet for the confort

  • @Bigblackpiano
    @Bigblackpiano Před rokem +1

    Someone should tell the student that he won't get vibrato by shaking his fingers after passing the key

  • @guillermolangle
    @guillermolangle Před 4 lety +16

    “Young Steve Jobs uses wrong keyboard”

  • @AmyAmy-er8bp
    @AmyAmy-er8bp Před 6 dny

    4:33

  • @Garensonic
    @Garensonic Před 4 lety +1

    He does not play repeat in the exposition

    • @TheodoreQDuong
      @TheodoreQDuong Před 4 lety

      Garen Loshkajian No one did for this set of masterclasses. There were trying so save time I’d think

    • @anthonyc6017
      @anthonyc6017 Před 4 lety

      TD Cổ Nhạc yes precisely, if they play the same thing it would still be the same “ criticisms” and it is exactly to save time to have as much time learning from the mistakes as you can. Playing the repeat would just waste time

    • @jrodriguezpiano
      @jrodriguezpiano Před 3 lety

      And no one playing in this scenario would, as is basic practice in masterclasses and lessons.

  • @alessandrociampa983
    @alessandrociampa983 Před 3 lety

    Oh God. John Wick!

  • @sue2968
    @sue2968 Před 5 lety +9

    ...저친구 마스터클래스갈만한 실력은 아닌거같은데;

  • @Bokgat
    @Bokgat Před 2 lety

    if you have the ability says he. has none!!!

  • @timotot123
    @timotot123 Před 5 lety +7

    This dude comes across as a Bill Gates of piano. Totally unappealing

  • @Bokgat
    @Bokgat Před 2 lety +3

    this guy is the least musical of all the jews of that era

  • @kpunkt.klaviermusik
    @kpunkt.klaviermusik Před 4 lety +6

    They are supposed to play without own personality. It's so sad how everything personal is wiped out. Don't we have enough robotic pianists?

    • @wwbdwwbd
      @wwbdwwbd Před 3 lety +3

      We are never short of bad pianists and horrid interpretations. I'd like to see more 'robotic' pianists.

    • @kpunkt.klaviermusik
      @kpunkt.klaviermusik Před 3 lety

      @@wwbdwwbd If everybody's playing would sound the same - why did you need more of them?

    • @wwbdwwbd
      @wwbdwwbd Před 3 lety +3

      @@kpunkt.klaviermusik It's not possible for everyone's play to sound the same. We live in the real world, not some theoretical fantasy land. There will always be variations, and let there be more good variations than horrid ones.

    • @kpunkt.klaviermusik
      @kpunkt.klaviermusik Před 3 lety

      @@wwbdwwbd The only person who is able to judge whether an interpretation is good or bad is the composer himself. Since the classical composers are all dead and we don't have recordings of them, this debate is quite pointless.

    • @wwbdwwbd
      @wwbdwwbd Před 3 lety +6

      @@kpunkt.klaviermusik Disagree. Not even the composer themselves can be the final judge. Case in point, for his famous concertos, Rachmaninoff prefers Horowitz's interpretation over that of his own.

  • @mateushayasaka
    @mateushayasaka Před 3 lety

    I don't like that kind of interpretation, but does EVERYONE need to look like that? sometimes the classical musician needs to learn a little empathy and the reasons for making music

  • @howardchang6051
    @howardchang6051 Před 6 lety +7

    Lots of wrong notes in his playing

    • @ericklavrador5015
      @ericklavrador5015 Před 5 lety +28

      That's don't matter, toplay with wrong notes ok, to play without love for music is a shit!

    • @leot7
      @leot7 Před 4 lety +36

      "To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable." -LvB

    • @PrinsTan
      @PrinsTan Před 4 lety

      Leo T “a” wrong note. But here many, and at his level I would think he would not make most of these.

    • @chrisy367
      @chrisy367 Před 3 lety +8

      @@PrinsTan it's possible that he's just nervous, i mean he's literally playing for barenboim

    • @berkayozkan34
      @berkayozkan34 Před 3 lety +1

      so what?

  • @emanuelkunt2882
    @emanuelkunt2882 Před 5 lety +2

    If i wanted a masterclass with a weird pig creature i would go to a fucking farm!!!!