Mikhail Ryabko teaching Systema Punching
Vložit
- čas přidán 12. 11. 2007
- www.dynamoclub.se - During his short vist to Athens in July 2007, Mikhail visited the Systema Athens school, which was still under construction back then. When he found a hack hammer lying around, he took the opportunity to demonstrate an interesting analogy between using a hammer and punching.
- Sport
for those who dont speak russian or greek he also says never hit in the place of heart... just mention it for safety
@1942STALKER his main pin there is use the momentum of wrist and forearm, fist is relaxed prior to contact and snaps when jsut about to hit the wrist uses a snappy motion as well, and follow through, this allows for all of the momentum from the wrist to be transferred into the opposing body
I would translate but i dont know how to put subtitles on to this... The main point is view the punch like hitting a nail with a hammer, in terms of your only tence the arm and flick just before the impact with the nail and relax after, ur not stiffening up your whole muscle when the hammer is all the way back just before the blow... right!? So apply the same physics to striking a punch, as its a much more efficient method... Hope this helps, its just brief! :)
@H2CK3R Not exactly. I also train Systema and the reason why Systema punching is so hard is the complete relaxation of your arms and the special breathing method. It might sound strange, but a relaxed punch led by your breath, not by your muscles, can be way stronger than a punch with full strength and extreme tension ;-)
@1942STALKER
He teaches how to punch with short relaxed hits to accumulate greater damage , example is then you hit nail with hammer (you dont hit it with your fist strongly clenched and you are not using hips)
@BioBrokun you mean like visualization that there is a hammer in your hand, thus hitting him without thinking about the power, or the hammer is to get the technique and the power comes from the wrist?
@1942STALKER I don't speak Russian, but it would seem that the hammer is only a means to demonstrate the wrist movement when in motion for a punch; and to represent a relaxed fist up till the very last moment you tense,just as you would do if you where to be hitting a nail with a hammer. The hammer hitting the stick indicates the precision of force applied to that area, as opposed to a full of attempt at a haymaker.
@mrjensi its pretty easy to see wut he's saying. relax your arm and drop your first into them like a hammer. let the energy wave through ur arm and finish at ur knuckles. but use a hammer striking motion.
Ryabko absolutely kills me!!!! That short fat man is the most unassuming Martial Artist Master ever. Humble, and yet quite the smart ass. And who couldn't love those shirts, shorts, and sandal combos he wears?
lol there's a guy with safety goggles on
PS I know systema striking training can look brutal, but you don't get hit until you are ready for it, and learning how to take hits is actually incredibly empowering.
thanks for sharing this Spyrokat
Hi, Where it's posible to learn that? thank's
You honestly don't know what you're talking about. Col. Ryabko's record and skills speak for themselves. You can see it in his students, who are built nothing like him, just how skilled he is. His students' punches feel like a SLEDGEHAMMER. He is the real deal.
Oh, BTW, he has over 20 years "street" experience as the Commander of Russian Special Forces' (Spetznaz) Hostage Rescue and Counter-Terrorism units. 'When the student is ready, the master appears'. You are not ready yet.
The one-inch punch in kung fu in slo-mo reveals that the whiplash comes from the hip and then the shoulder. Systema :S I havent figured it out yet. The greatest part about ryabko is that he looks like the last person on the planet who could defend himself, but he probably knows to kill you in more than a few ways.
Wow, no tension anywhere, and it indeed seems to strike like that hammer!.. from the master himself -
Many good oriental systems teach this,matter of fact,it's where systema gets it from.
Big difference is that you don't have to wait years to get the knowledge.It's there from the start.
Different reasons for the wait,agree or disagree.
what is the purpose of shaking body movement after the punch ?
Also, there is a good amount of body power in there. Hip rotation + whip maby? If the one inch punch analogy doesn't help you can always find a systema instructor. They are always more than happy to hit you to demonstrate. At your own risk ;)
I study the Jeet Kune Do, this kind of punch is very different of the JDK who use the muscular alignement and the rotation of the center of gravity(but not everytime, I could change my strategy depending of the situation, thats the essence of JDK). Someone could give me some explanation of the difference? If I understand, the systema looking for a ''heavy'' punch? How that could be effective in a situation where the speed is the priority?
Le Systema (russe : Cистема) terme signifiant « système » est un art martial russe utilisé par certains groupes des forces spéciales russes.
Im not proficient enough in Russian to understand what he is saying but what I think I understand from this is that he is relaxing his arm and using the dead weight and gravity to add power and hardens his fist at the last minute . If this is wrong please explain, I'm interested in Systema and learning the basics such as this would be helpful.
Im interested in systema, Does anyone know of any good online instruction videos? English would be nice...
@QUntouchable both, like just in the air not actually striking anything, pretend ur trying to hammer a nail into a board or something, that motion from your elbow and wrist is what gives it the power, as my friend said when he demopnstrated it to us (keep in mind he was hitting our chest right between the pecs) "it's like you are using a hammer to hammer a nail into their chin" or in the case of where ever you're striking them, what ever is 7 inches or so above the spot you are striking xD
can someone put the subtitles on
@QUntouchable exactly he's saying its like ur trying to strike ur opponent with a hammer but ur fist is also hitting them
Can someone make this with subtitles?
@Kansasforlife A real key to power is relaxation. The muscles doesn't move well when tensed. I get what you mean about coordination with the breath. you're generating power from the core which happens in concert with the breath. Since breath mechanism involves your core muscle - this makes biomechanical sense.
systema looks really good but there are no instructors in newzealand do you know of another martial art which is similar? or just as effective?
@CrypticGamingInc the concept is right. it is like "flow like water" relaxed blows that use little effort, but you use force at last second to increase the power ever so slightly.. it is easy analogy, when you hit a nail with hammer you do not want to tense entire body or you could cause hurt in yourself, or bend nail. same concept, use relaxed arm to hit nail hard at last second to have control and power.
where can i learn systema? Russia only? or are there some other PROFFESIONAL schools around the world?
btw i THINK that it is incredibly good but it isnt enough to beat martial arts masters... im huge Bruce Lee fan and oh god, i cant imagine him getting beaten up even by Systema masters
when you have to hit a nail into a harder and thicker material, you'll lift hummer higher than normal. same goes for punching. want more power, make more stretch
genius, it's all in the wrist
@christzouve Good advice - he appears here to be striking along the lung meridian, which will cause the knees to buckle given enough force. I have a similar striking method that I've dropped people with - not that I claim that much knowledge of Systema - so it coule be really different.
Wenn jemand weiß, wo man in Hamburg Systema erlernen kann...bitte meldet euch bei mir!
yes, fantastic!
our systema class went through this today. i was hit in the stomach and chest....i wasnt sure what to expect...lol...not a fun experience.
Great demonstration of the punch but the other person is also showing how to take the hit, don't just stand there and try and weather the blow, move with it to lesson the impact.
wow thnx now i now how he puches. it is just like an hammer, short but powerfull hits.
@Arammik
have you practice in systema before? If not, go try it. I tried it for the simple reason that I believed it was some bullshit. Lesson learned. Full believer in its teachings now. It's easy for people to critize over the net - I did - then, I tried it. Find a true teacher of it.... hard to find but they are out there...
and he tells the truth you can really hear the punch going into the floor awesome
sry for the bad english :)
bravo re paidia pou ferate to systema sthn ellada - Giwrgos
@Coolandstressing There are no bad people among masters =]
He has huge fists
the reason why the hit is so hard because of the whip effect :)
@Coolandstressing family guy :D
@kevinchris yeah propably but you wouldnt bet your life to proove something like this would you?
I have one guy at my Systema class. He looks a bit scrawny and if you looked at him you'd think he is broke, hungry all the time and couldn't move to save his life. But he did over 15 years of full-contact karate and could handle himself very well. But he said that Systema is much more suitable to the street application. That means a fair bit coming from a fairly accomplished practitioner. Just goes to show that looks deceive.
1) One needs to teach one's hand what it feels like to hit a human being, who pivots from the ground up, has hard spots, soft spots - a very complicated structure. unlike a punching bag, which is uniform, soft-medium, and pivots from the top.
2) one also needs to teach one's mind and body what it feels like to get hit by another's hand (not gloves) or feet.
Actually, he seems like a nice guy...
I don't know the answer to that. I will say this though, they hit hard. If you have ever been hit by somebody who is really good at the one inch punch it feels a bit like that. The power comes from a wave motion, they use their arm like a whip. At least thats how it felt to me.
@abdjms it be an awesome fight hahaha, and I know You'd like to see that
in actuality u need a real person to practice the punches so you can get feedback, and the punches dont involve brute force. its the knowledge of how to punch. I have been punched slow motion by a systema master, i thought i was gonna die. Looked at a replay on my video camera, the punch looked like a little kid would hit, but i felt it.
@Arammik
These guys are some of the most humble individuals you will find in the world. At the same time, they can end you in less than a heartbeat. There are many people out there who teach who should not be teaching. They only teach half of the whole. Another thing, Systema, unlike Traditional M.A. is not concerned (as concerned) with your money. There are no belts... and since I have done Kenpo, I know all you have to do there is buy your way to a black belt. Come as you are and learn.
i want to learn it.
the translation is in greek
@dspyrido you didn't get it at all
This is not systema punching. It is punching implemented by Systema. Systema did not invent this style of striking, but adopted it from traditional martial arts. It greatly resembles a tai chi punch with more of a whipping motion.
i wonder is systema an authentic martial art rooted in russian culture or is it just put together by a bodyguard who studied various other martial arts n formulated his own thesis
Certain styles of Silat, maybe - that's the closest I've found to Systema. Still, there's nothing else quite like it, which took me years to face. Now I'm happy that I made the switch - no looking back! :)
the other guy explain it in Greek!
Is some instructor of Systema en Buenos Aires - Argentina? I want to learn.
@1942STALKER on spanish please :D
wow i think i know how to punch like this guy :o its hard to explain though
@pangolin9 the idea is same with wing chun's one inch punch
Ok, good to know. Sorry for being that "noob", mr. 4 yrs old martial arts. So, where does Systema comes from? Show me some more information. If I'm wrong, I want to correct myself and know the real thing! Thx for ur advice and for ur correction.
Systema is not looking for a heavy punch, but for an effective one. What if you are 10 cm of your opponent? Ur punch with all that rotation of the center of gravity (that most martial arts use) will not be THAT useful. With Systema punch, u can punch someone almost in touch with you, and he will be injuryed. I'm not judging your martial art as better or worse, i mean that Systema looks for essential movements that can be useful at any time, and any situation.
Peace and Love of God! =)
@christzouve
thanks for explanation
reading the comment with most thumbsup; Is this punch, he's showing, really comparable with the one inch punch?
@ncub8 Exactly :-)
I don't think there is anything similar like this. If you're aiming for effective martial arts, I'd recommend Krav Maga... Or maybe Wing Chun.
@Sovi3tskiy im practicing martial art since i was 16,and this is really interesting
Good n nice analogy
@Arammik last person in the world in deed hahahahaha
can someone translate this in English ?
Systema is not a martial art, it's actually a combatsystem which have roots as far back as 900 A.D. It's a combatsystem used by many specialforces, but mainly the russian Spetznas. The Systema principles is possible to add to any martial art :)
@dabidosan He's in Athens, enjoying some sun on his fat belly :D
most Rusky's are nice people they just got bad press during the cold war.
So, it's like dropping a hammer, with a whipping motion...not pushing it.
Then again, the guy's very stout with a lot of body mass...
well... myx system works with kalashnikov...
u would punch back ? xD
@abdjms Damn straight. Good martial artists are good martial artists.
Trying to decide which is "best" is a childish idea, one which merely distracts us from the most important thing - what they have to teach.
the soft vs the hard.. that's good :-)
not too sure about these "miraculous" martials arts that can cause extreme damage without any force and virtually any "agression"...i'm not hatin' tho...
for instance, wing chun, wich is a very simple martial art that focus on effectiveness at all cost, truly ain't all that relax like systema...dunno man...
Lol, then how is it "Systema Punching" >.>
Lol, sorry, the answer wasn't for you. Sorry if u got offended, do u even know systema to say anything?
@spyrokat they use a lot of pressure points so no force is required,but if u apply force on this points...very bad russsians...
that makes absolutely no sense....have you ever heard something about the laws of nature?
Looks like a basic kempo strike on to St 15 to me, nothing new, just good basic martial arts
translate please
fat or not he would send you to the morgue in less than a minute
Who cares is fat or not???
He still the greatests.
And like he said himself, "live like a king not like a warrior".
He is done with figthing .
You do not need anysort of 'martial art' experience when starting Systema. Kick-boxing is nothing it does not compare in anyway. This is the most effective combat system ever developed. Please do some research for yourself before blabering like an idiot. Further more, you would not belive how hard Systema puches land.
Systema Germany.