Ruling on sitting & eating at one table with non-maḥram women from the family | Shaykh ibn Bāz
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- Questioner: "We are a family that sits at the same table for dinner. This group of people consists of brothers, their daughters and sons, sons of the maternal aunts and sons of the paternal aunts (cousins). Men and women, all sitting at one dining table. Is there an Islamic ruling concerning this which forbids free mixing? And in reality I'm not comfortable with this affair, however these are habits and traditions that are deeply rooted in us. Please benefit us, what do we do? Perhaps the family will hear this, so please benefit us, may Allāh bless you."
Shaykh ibn Bāz:
"This is an evil habit. It is obligatory to abandon it. It is not allowed for a man to sit with a woman that isn't maḥram for him, such as his cousins. It is obligatory that the women sit separately at another table, and that the men sit separately. As for a man sitting (at one table) together with his wife, his mother, his paternal or maternal aunt, then there is no problem in that. However, he may not sit at one table with women that aren't maḥram for him. The women should sit at another table. And this free mixing is forbidden, that which leads to a woman sitting close to (and touching) someone who isn't her maḥram or [leads to] him seeing her, etc. The whole of the woman is ʿawrah, so she may not sit with someone who isn't her maḥram, because he can see her eating, he can see her face, her hand (or forearm) or something else.
So the intent is that this is something evil which should be abandoned. It is obligatory to abandon every evil habit. Habits & customs are evaluated according to the Islamic Legislation, and it is not allowed give them precedence over the Islamic Legislation. That which is obligatory, is that the habits & customs are evaluated according to the Islamic Legislation. That which is in accordance with the Islamic Legislation, is accepted and remains. And all of those habits & customs which oppose the Islamic Legislation, it is obligatory to abandon all of them. We ask Allāh for guidance for everyone. Naʿam."
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Questioner:
Is it permissible for a man to sit with his female cousins, and his maternal and paternal aunts' daughters, and talk to them and they talk to him, in the presence of a mahram (unmarriageable relative)? Is it permissible for him to shake hands with them? Please inform us, may Allah reward you.
Shaykh Ibn Baaz:
As for a man talking to his female cousins or maternal aunts' daughters in a modest and respectable manner, greeting them, and asking about their conditions while maintaining modesty, decency, and without shaking hands, this is permissible.
However, sitting with them in a manner that leads to corruption, inappropriate words, or in a state of uncovering and lack of hijab is prohibited and not permissible. But if he greets his brother’s daughters, maternal aunts' daughters, or paternal uncles' daughters, or visits them and greets them without any temptation, but with hijab and modesty, and not being alone with any of them, there is nothing wrong with this. This has been the practice from the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) to this day.
Questioner: Is shaking hands permissible?
Shaykh ibn Baaz:
Shaking hands is not permissible. A man should only shake hands with his mahrams like his sister or paternal aunt. He should not shake hands with non-mahram women, even his maternal or paternal cousins. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "I do not shake hands with women."
Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) said that when the Prophet took the pledge from women, his hand never touched a woman's hand. He used to take the pledge verbally.
Questioner: What about elderly women?
Shaykh ibn Baaz:
Even with elderly women, it is not permissible...
Source: binbaz.org.sa/fatwas/3030/%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85-%D9%85%D8%B9-%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%85-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%84-%D9%85%D8%B9-%D9%88%D8%AC%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%85
BarakAllahu feek habibi!
Alhamdulillah for this video
جزاك الله خير
Salam alaykum akhi. Just a question on having ones mahram present. Theres a common response from people who freemix in family gatherings. They say their mahram is present so that allows them to sit with others and chat. There is also a narration that states a man and a women shouldnt be left alone but their mahram being present. Whats the meaning of this narration because it seems like a man and women now (non mahram to eachother) can sit and talk. Then it extends to them being able to sit and eat on the table ect.
I asked the following question on whatsapp to Shaykh Saalim Baamihriz: "Shaykh, some people when you tell them its not allowed to eat at the same table with non-mahrams from the family, they bring the hadeeth, "Let a man not seclude himself with a women except that a Mahram is with her." Is this a correct usage of evidence?
The Shaykh answered:
هذا جاهل في فهمه والجلوس مع غير المحارم محرم ولا يجوز
وما ذكرت قول باطل لعبرة به
"This is a person that is ignorant in his understanding. Sitting with non-mahrams is forbidden and not allowed. And that which you mentioned (in the question) is a false statement that is not taken into consideration."
@@Yasin_ibn_jamal jazzakallahukheir
Salam alaykum. Brother can you advise me. Sometimes it gets confusing as to how we go about this ruling in real life. When an uncle comes to my house with his daughters what exactly are we allowed to do? Can I greet them and then sit with them with my uncle in the same room and ask general questions about life (without laughing and jokin)? Or do we segregate straight away?
If I went to my uncles house is my cousin sister allowed to appear with hijab on infront of me? And talk general stuff without khalwa and soft speech? Can we sit and eat on the same table without khalwa and soft speech? Or is the basic asl that being face to face violates the qur'an?
wa alaykum assalam. Good question akhi. I'll try to search for answers by the scholars on this topic. I'll keep you up to date, in sha Allah.
Questioner:
Is it permissible for a man to sit with his female cousins, and his maternal and paternal aunts' daughters, and talk to them and they talk to him, in the presence of a mahram (unmarriageable relative)? Is it permissible for him to shake hands with them? Please inform us, may Allah reward you.
Shaykh Ibn Baaz:
As for a man talking to his female cousins or maternal aunts' daughters in a modest and respectable manner, greeting them, and asking about their conditions while maintaining modesty, decency, and without shaking hands, this is permissible.
However, sitting with them in a manner that leads to corruption, inappropriate words, or in a state of uncovering and lack of hijab is prohibited and not permissible. But if he greets his brother’s daughters, maternal aunts' daughters, or paternal uncles' daughters, or visits them and greets them without any temptation, but with hijab and modesty, and not being alone with any of them, there is nothing wrong with this. This has been the practice from the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) to this day.
Questioner: Is shaking hands permissible?
Shaykh ibn Baaz:
Shaking hands is not permissible. A man should only shake hands with his mahrams like his sister or paternal aunt. He should not shake hands with non-mahram women, even his maternal or paternal cousins. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "I do not shake hands with women."
Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) said that when the Prophet took the pledge from women, his hand never touched a woman's hand. He used to take the pledge verbally.
Questioner: What about elderly women?
Shaykh ibn Baaz:
Even with elderly women, it is not permissible..
Source: binbaz.org.sa/fatwas/3030/%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85-%D9%85%D8%B9-%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%85-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%84-%D9%85%D8%B9-%D9%88%D8%AC%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%85
Jazakallahukheir.
The shaykh gives two different answers to this question. One answer in your video and the other in your message above. In the video he says its impermissble for non mahram cousins to sit together on a table where they can see eachother. But the answer you gave says its permissble if they have correct hijab and no soft speech.
I find the answer in the video more closer to what Ive read in the Qur'an and sunnah. Because if we say its permissble to allow cousins to sit together, how do we expect them to lower their gazes? And sitting together leads to women softening their voices.
@@Yasin_ibn_jamalwhen the shaykh says its permissble to talk to female cousins about how they are ect does he mean they can all sit together and chat in modesty? Is segrgation not needed then? Confusing from the answer he gave in the video?
@@Mohammed5i Allah knows best akhi, but it seems to me that the shaykh isnt saying we should sit and have long talks and chats with them (as happens when you eat at the same table). Rather he says you can have a short conversation where you greet them and ask about their situation in a modest manner, and then you move on. And Allah knows best.
What about having their numbers and chatting with them?
Is it permissible or forbidden in Islam.
Plz clarify.
Don't do that. Let him speak to the sister through her mahram (such as her father or brother).
A simple solution: the brother can make a WhatsApp group with the sister and also a third person (for example her brother or father). Then they can talk there if they like. This way shaytaan cannot interfere, in shaa Allaah
@@Yasin_ibn_jamal What about adding Non Mahrams on Social Media, is it permissible or forbidden in Islam.
Some people say adding Non Mahrams online is like online freemixing. Plz clarify this too?
of course its forbidden
@@binyamin09
@@binyamin09 It's always safest to avoid the issue that you are doubtful of.