Shamsi & Siraaj talk about Disagreements VS Agreements on recent Issues! Speakers Corner
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Alhumdullillah....
We want more knowledgeable discussion like this.....Clarifying the issues regarding muslim leaders and Salafiyah.....
May Allah reward shamsi with more beneficial knowledge... Ameen
Man Shamsi is a beast Mashallah
That Prophet's Du3aa for ibn Abbas
was one helluva curveball but he hit it with style
The question is If ibn Abbas is tarjumanul Qur'an, why did he make few mistakes in his interpretation and also why did majority of the scholars differ him ? And use his interpretation when it suit them ?
@@Muslim-Prince Again brother you missed the WHOLE point.
You see when the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم made duaa for him he said: {وعلمه التأويل} "& teach him the interpretation of the Quran", he did not say "& make him the interpreter of the Quran" therefore Ibn Abbas learned from the senior Sahaba especially the two Khulafaa Abubakr & Omar but that does not mean he became infallible but rather among the reliable authorities on Tafseer.
That is why when you come across a Tafseer by Ibn Abbas that contradicts with a sound Hadith you simply take the Hadith over his opinion as we do with all the blessed companions.
Finally found the full discussion. Very nice allahumma baarik.
Meanwhile the rest of the brothers in speakers corner have memoried the bible and western Academic subjects - history and philosophy. What a calamity
Please change the titile as it's wrong!!! It's not about challenge, argument, nor debating.. It's just a discussion about what they both agreed as planned .
Yes I agree this title is wrong. Siraj clarifies that he was seeking advice from Shamsi
May Allah guide me and you all
@@southernrealist5789it wasn't even debating nor argument, it's not about advice, you can witness that brother Siraj is not shouting and arguing.. The purpose was to stop people from giving a bad image on salafiyah. That was the agreement between brother Siraj and brother Shamsi and this decision was made by both of them a week ago.. Additionally brother Siraj always goes to to speaker's corner...
Yeah but that doesn’t get views!
@@desmondmansingh5175not funny or true. Doesn’t work as sarcasm. Bad comment and you’ll be judged by Allah swt directly for it
@@user-yf3kq6hz7gthe guy you are replying to him is one of the Christians missionaries
This is a beautiful conversation
and educational as well
Mashallah
40:00 That Smile on the tall brother between them
is one that occurs the moment a muslim hears the truth
Mashallah Shamsi & May Allah Bless you Habibi💚
Siraj is the new star of Speakers Corner
Sometimes brothers debate and share knowledge to each other so we don’t give out wrong information to others
Cant open cc, need cc in english
Please change the subheadings of this video it has nothing to do with disagreement. Both brothers are just showing to each other what they know and learning from each other. Also, they are not arguing, which they are having a happy chat with each other about Islam
صلى الله عليه وسلم ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
A lot of "They said", he's the They 🤣🤣🤣😭
They said are the people who always give the manhaj of salafiyah a bad image .. You need to understand that simply
It seems like it
This brother needs to stop saying they say
It's a way of respect, he doesn't want to mention names... But more to come as this is the beginning of the chapter in sha Allah...
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إسرائيل ترتكب إبادة جماعية ضد الفلسطينيين. إسرائيل تنتهك حقوق الإنسان. الغرب متواطئ في انتهاكات حقوق الإنسان.😭😭😭😭🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩
May Allah SWT grant victory to the Muslims in Palestine
Alllahumma ameen
ياريت الترجمة للعربية
mashlah good discussion may allah guide them both and grant them wisdom and knowledge and all muslims
This is one of the problems, when brothers bring argumets of other people ,let them bring their own arguments if they dont khalas ,it makes you look suspect.
إخوة بارك الله فيكم
ترجمونا هدا الفديو لا إفهم الإنلجيزية
53:53 pretty disturbing.
*_Safaf is not a sect. In Islam, the orthodox and pure way is to call to the worship of Allah alone, not to one's group, political affiliation, or to one's Masjid. This orthodox call to Salaf (ancestry; following the first early Muslim generations) is a methodology, not a specific group with a badge, label, membership, or stamp of approval. Salaf is a methodology, not an elite group._*
*_Salafi in Islam means orthodoxy, going back to the fundamental way of following Islam according to the teaching of Prophet Muhammed peace and blessings be upon him, and how his companions understood and practised Islam. Muslims should strive to follow his path._*
*_Extreme partisanship in Arabic “hizbiyyah” is a disease among many Muslim groups. Even among the Sects, who of all people should not be this way._*
*_Typically labelled as Wahabi (a derogatory term), revivers like Ibn Baz, Uthaymeen and Albani spent most of their life teaching the people to follow authentic Islam, free of any forms of polytheism or innovations in the religion. Very early on, Ibn Baz was one of the first to speak against the dangers of revolutionary ideologies and how such ideas can lead the Muslim youth especially to commit acts of terror and harm innocent people, all in the name of promoting good and eradicating evil._*
Salafiya is a sect
Who is shamsi referring to when he says leaders?
Mbs
@RR-qq3jo He's talking about the same scum that shake hands with Israel
@@hasanshafi9169 which is most Muslim leaders. Which is why we can send them to the moon. MBS isn’t even the official ruler. He is just there for now while the old man is dying.
@@hasanshafi9169 turkey's recognition of israel u mean?
@aaquib2010 Shamsi says "Muslim leaders" but name me one Muslim country with an army. It doesn't exist that's a fact that many cannot accept. If it did exist the ummah would not be getting destroyed like it is now.
2:12
ابن عثيمين وصالح الفوزان ليسوا من السلف 😂😂
Allah said: the hypocrite are allies with another.
stop recording. NONO!
salamu 3aleykom why do u keep watching akh shamsi if u think he is a problem? if u are saying he is splitting the ummah then what are u doing by saying stay away from such and such? dont throw stone in a glashouse. he brings evidence at least
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
Shaykh Albani rahimahullāh said:
"those who criticize us and say:" you are causing division" we ask them "between what are we causing division?"
we are callers to Allah and the sunnah in the methodology the salaf understood. If you are with us, there is no division. If you are not, then you are the one who has split from us."
I applaud Siraj for his patience it's not easy to be calm with Shamsi
Shamsi is Algerian, he gets fired up every now and then. Doesn't take away from the fact that he addressed all the questions very well
this discussion made no sense wallah
Islam o alaikum brothers our salaf was the Sahaba r a and the tabaeen and taba tabaeen that's was the era khairal qoroon and muhadseen ur salaf are ibn e teemya ibn e qyam imam Ahmad bin humble and e t c brothers one question to all of u with respectful if the salaf of deobandi and baralvy and shia and qadiani against aqeeda the Quran and Sunnah they are amushrik and ur salaf di same aqeeda against the Quran and Sunnah like read the book kitab ull rooh and imam ibn e teemya said that tawez is not a shirk and he was also he was also said that tawasl is right but prophet s w said tawez is shirk and Allah s w t say in the Quran tawasl is a shirk now what u say about these scallour and another thing was prophet s w was a salafy Sahaba was a salafy give me reference
Alhamdulillah....the prophet Muhammad Sallahualayhiwassalm mention end of times ...too many sects and people start respecting muslim leaders and not the real islam .....eg if he talks smoothly and try to convince the congregation people follow them ..May ALMIGHTY ALLAH guide our Ummah and save us from all innovation and bidah and all fitnah😮😮😊😊
Shamsi listen to raja because you really mix everything together it's about Palestine not about Hamas
My brother Siraaj has just seen showed his level of knowledge and his understanding
Go and study please before you give Dawah
Shamsi need learn English stop bashing Muslims he never with teachers
First he said he muslims can normalize with Isreal, and now he has different stand point after Shanmsi got exposed by Daniel
Daniel got destroyed, no Quran and Sunnah. shamsi already said if you mean by normalisation as a treaty then this is from Islam
Go and learn your deen before you come here with such statements embarrassing yourself SubhaanAllaah
How did he have a different standpoint?
Siraj asked shamsi the madkhali but he wasn’t prepared whit proves , shamsi lied about Raslan in Egypt and Haftar in Lybia
Shamsi already clarified everything he said raslan never criticised while he was a ruler and there were no ruler after Qaddafi, did you even watch video? Show us where so called madakhila have opposed Quran and Sunnah and the way of salaf? Instead of calling names
@@Randomhandlename So you madakhila don’t criticise the ruler but when he dies ok be killed you do isn’t !? Which sunna you follow ? Did sahaba of the prophet were sheep like you !? Your madakhila they fight whit the khariji haftar and they kill the Muslims because they’re ilhwani naudubillah…so again shami lied The coward Raslan criticised The president Mursi when he was in power and your madakhila fight whit the secular khariji haftar. You’re sheep 🐑
You say what really happened then
@@ponderingspirit1475 dude You ask me every where tell me this tell me that, you’re not my student go and have some knowledge by your self, don’t be lazy…what happened in lybia and whit Raslan in Egypt is very known but you madkhali make a blind eye , according to you is Hamas gouvernement ruler of Gaza and their people should listen and obey to them?
كل ما أسمع كلام الجامية المداخلة يجيني احساس اني عايز ارجع .احقر فرقة من الفرق الضالة
الجامية المداخلة اول مرة اسمع بهذا هداكم الله يا مبتدعة
@@ayubma3635 يجب ان تسمع بهم فالمدخلية ابعد الفرق الضالة عن التوحيد وهم اكثر شرك من الروافض والصوفية مجتمعين
@@user-xk8nb6hl8j
حتى المخالفين يقرون أن ما تسميهم " مداخلة " اهتمامهم بالتوحيد ظاهر و لله الحمد ، يعني للكذب حدود اتقي الله
@@user-rh6js5kn9d نعم صنفو صنف رابع التوحيد توحيد ملك السعودية .ويصرفون له العبادة ،انهم وثنييون ياصديقي
loool so shamsi uses brunei as an example of how collective boycott can work. but when muslims try to do it? well, we should only follow the leaders. Or, shamsi's favorite, don't force me to boycott!!! no one is forcing you buddy. You're claim to victimhood is as sincere as the christian and israeli claims to victimhood. For those that don't know, brunei was boycotted not at the state level; but by powerful personalities like ellen degeneres, who saw brunei's new legislation as homophobic. Also, if Boycott's don't work and are futile, whey did Saudia arabia, egypt, uae, and jordan decide to boycott Qatar?
How could a Muslim be so slimes, deceptive and manipulate words to make a point. Do you fear Allah? You know there are angels recording your every word, if there is any fear of the Final Day in your heart turn away from this Shaytanic behaviour.
@@hamzanocap use your eyes and ears to hear what he has to say. I'm guessing, in fact, that you didnt watch the whole video. He spits in the face of Muslims and yet u come to defend him. Fear Allah.
Do you boycott products from China France India etc?
yes, as best as i can, unlike some leaders that buy chateaus in the french riviera for millions of dollars. India yes. France yes. Who the hell needs chanel handbags anyway? You think buying luxury goods is in keeping with what our Prophet taught? if our collective spending habits reinforce the hate and contempt the French have for our Prophet and our people, why would I spend on their products? It's really not as complicated as you're making it to be. Activism starts at the level of the individual. If your response is, oh, why don't you boycott this that and third, then this just means that you're insincere. it' is a whataboutism. Like the zionist state, which says, oh, if you're going to boycott us, then why are you not boycotting others? you, shamsi and people like you are the reason why Muslims are humiliated and our Prophet's honor besmirched. @@Randomhandlename
@@muneebahmad7887he’s a shamsi fanboy probably not even a Muslim
There has been division in the Ummah always, but the division increased in the West since SPUBS, no doubt. If shamsi or anyone wants evidence, there are 1000s of instances that they divide and not based on Aqeedah, they will divide over Ijithad issues, ie a difference between two scholars. Not only wil they divide, theybwill warn against you and hate you worse than enemies hated ke in my Jahhliyyah. Don't let them confuse you by using the word salafiyyah, if you are not with them you are misguided simple as. I was with these people and i know their manhaj, the manhaj of splitting
Another point is when they claim that they are Salafy because they are following the steps of the salaf, which means the companion of the Prophet Muhammad may peace and blessing of Allah be upon him , just ask them who is not claiming the same 😮 that they are following the Salaf 😮 but the best is to use what Allah The Almighty said : وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ ۚ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ ۚ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ ۚ هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَٰذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ ۚ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ ۖ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَىٰ وَنِعْمَ النَّصِيرُ ..
And strive for the sake of God as He is worthy of striving. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in religion any hardship. The religion of your father Abraham. He has named you Muslims from before. And in this, so that the Messenger may be a witness over you, and that you may be witnesses over the people, so perform prayer and pay zakat, and hold fast to Allah, He is your Master. What an excellent Master and what an excellent Helper ... ❤
All the writing and zero substance
@@SunniAtharihe has one point, they make allot video about people on the way of salf, like dawa man, abdrihman Hassan, and utman farooq. Always hade hard time understanding that, as layman. However i do agree shamsi is always on haq when i do understand what going on.
Lool im glad the cut you out look at you talking like this on CZcams subhanAllah they was right about you
@@SunniAthari What does not have substance? What did I say that was false? I can prove it, I know many living examples. I sat in Wright street for years, I am acquainted with these brothers, so was brother Abu Makkah, who was the Imaam at Masjid As Sunnah and hundreds of others who Al Hamdulilah woke up from the ills and discord that these brothers have sown among the people. You have no clue so when you say zero substance, it means absolutely nothing to me because WE KNOW the facts on the ground, and I have daleel for days, whether you will accept it as you are attached to this group, that is another question. I will give you a small example of their way, I remember two brothers from Wright street were on green lane, and it was time for salah, they both went to pray at green lane and after saw each other and were both surprised. They said to one another don't say anything to anyone that we saw each other here. What type of religion is this? Is this for the sake of Allah? Or is this because 'The elders' and congregation might write us off. This is the methodology of misguidance and being more concerned about what Abu so and so thinks of you than what Allah thinks.
Ask shamsi does the Palsastinians have the right to liberate themselves? According to his logic he will tell you no. Now this is not a true Salafi. May Allah give him guidance.
Show where he said that
U broke Islam into sects. May Allah curse those who divide Islam. God calls us muslim and he call himself salafi and others as ahle biddat...
I hope you didnt curse the prophet subhanAllah
@@Salahali11the prophet pbuh didn’t create sects, he said there will be sects, he didn’t call himself salafi either or anything. It’s all came after. If the prophet pbuh said some Muslims will do a certain sin, and we say nah god curse those who do that sin, would u say what u just said? How weird.
@@amir123786 you just answered your self if the prophet said it will be sects then he did divide and people who is not with the Quran and sunnah is divided
@@Salahali11 NO HE DIDNT DIVIDE. He warned us about it, a prophecy. The prophet told us about day of judgment. Does that mean the prophet caused day of judgment? No it doesn’t. Fix up.
Next you're gonna say we and the shia are one too coz God and his prophet called us muslims!
How did this man just say. “People have problem with Prophet Mohammad, Albani and uthaymen” what sort of jump is that ? That’s how you know these man’s deen is no more than 350 years old 😂😂😂
You clearly don’t understand English 😂😂😂😂
You're basically making takfir on him here, fear Allah. Shamsi cites ulama from the generations before Al Albani and Ibn Uthaymeen. In that video alone they spoke about Ibn Abbas and Ibn Mas'ud. Are they not from the Sahaba i.e. the Salaf?
Stay away off
Shia/Qadiani's/ahammadiyya's/salifi/ other's sekt
Salafi is not a sect 😂
@@ahmadboiboy8516
Yes thy are
@@ahmadboiboy8516
In the time off the profhet mohammed WAS not shia/ Qadiani's/ahammadiyya's/salifia ect..ect... is all man make woords
@@adjiedguman67 I can tell you don’t know what salafi means
@@ahmadboiboy8516
I not follow them never
The young man Siraay is on the point in regard Kufr dune kufr and the legislation matter in general.
Just stay away from shemsi, he is not here for the sake of the true.
The problem with you is all you care about is kufr kufr kufr .... This topics are not for you or even them because withinn the word kufr in islam there is tafsil details wich you can't understand without knowledge and not only kufr every legislation has it s details... You hate shamsi for no reason... Even siraj agrees with him in the end when presented with more details
@@ayubma3635 how Muslim can remain silent on the lies spread by this ignorant man shamsi. He is the least person to talk about the huqm tashree , he’s jaahil murekkab in that regard. He doesn’t know the difference between kufr dune kufr and kufr al akbar in huqm and tahaqum therefore he doesn’t differentiate between Tawageet and Muslim leader who rules by shariah in general but commits something known as kufr dune kufr or any other fisq or zulm but far from kufr al Akbar.
The young man Siraay was trying to draw his attention what ibn Mes’ud radijallah anh said in regard the ayah ‘wa man yahkum bi maa ..’ when mentioning briebery which is something that scholars mention when ascribing the Muslim leaders or hukaam when committing something referred as kufr dune kufr.
The best example for kufr dune kufr would be the instance when qaadee /haakim refuse to apply sharia ruling onto someone accused of doing zinaa. Instead he accuses one of the witnesses as liar so to avoid applying the hadd/rulling onto that person. In this example qadee doesn’t rule by any other book/law except Book of Allah but he is commiting fisq/kufr which is referred as dune fisq /kufr by simply dismissing the hadd. This is only one simple example. In reality there are a lot forms of it but they all revolve around this “asl”. It doesn’t cross the border of kufr al akbar whatsoever.
The so called muslim leaders of our time are tawageet by definition. If you can’t see that then I’m really sorry for you.
The problem is every jahil thinking he knows what he’s talking about while he has no proof from Quran and Sunnah
@@RandomhandlenameMr you keep waffling, legislating tashri'i other than what Allah has sent down is taagoot just read Qur'an 4:60-61... Stop having envy of brother Siraj . HE IS NOT SAME LEVEL AS YOU LITTLE KHAARIJI, EXTREMIST, WITH IRJAA IN HIS MIND BY SUPPORTING TAGOOT AND DEFENDINH IT
@@Muslim-Prince who said these verses apply to rulers only? Which scholar of Sunnah said if a Muslim ruler rules by other than shariah while he believes that law of Allah is superior then he’s not a Muslim? And who are the taghut, can you name them and what makes them taghut? Your khariji colors are coming out
Shamsi the madkhali, this man is controversial he makes a lot of problems between the brothers.
What's a madkhali ?
@@Mkay12345iddunu brother they say xahabis masakhila albaniuun don't even know why they adding sects we have far enough to deal with 😂😂😂
@@Mkay12345 the madakhila are the dogs of the rulers.
@@Mkay12345it's a slander word used by deviant Muslims, like the word wahabi is also used to slander the people who follow the quran and sunnah upon the understanding of the salaf.
Show us where so called madakhila have opposed Quran and Sunnah and the way of salaf