Data Scientist's Guide to the NEW MK8 DELUXE META!
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- čas přidán 14. 03. 2023
- Waluigi Wiggler is NO MORE! So what can we replace it with if we want to maximize our statistical advantages as much as possible?
One of the most popular videos on my channel took a scientific approach to finding the best builds in the game, and in this video I'm updating the analysis based on NIntendo's most recent Wave 4 balance patch that added speed and/or mini turbo to a bunch of underutilized characters, karts, and tires
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I personally love how Nintendo somehow got a bunch of serious, competitive, data driven gamers to ride around on stuffed bears with button tires.
I love how full standard Mario is now a viable strategy.
Bravo Nintendo for making Mario meta.
You clearly don't play Smash lmao
i'd rather see a million generic mario standart kart than a million Waluigi wigglers.
At least Waluigi sees some play in this game
@@niels8195 yeah, because apparently no one can win a race without using meta. (Well, at least used to, now waluigi is nothing)
I wish there was a "random kart" option that just gave you completely random parts. THAT would make for some fun online matches!
Wave 5 balance patch?
I was honestly surprised this didnt already exist for such a good party game
I do random selection all the time. Just close your eyes
Mk7 had this
7.
we went from 3 optimal builds-paths to 4 optimal paths and at least 5 optimal-optimal-optimal builds in just one path, and this is only using anti grav speed as a preferred stat, so wow, this makes the meta really "skill issue" based, this sounds like a win win
more like item rng based as it always was
@@julien827 unless we are talking about time trials
@@smilefacebird2028Everybody gangsta til Red Shell ruins your new personal best
@@voguefurret how tf u gonna get a red shell in time trials lmao
@@pampom1554 It finds a way
This is a great update for mario kart 8 deluxe.
The secret to build variety in these kinds of games is having enough different and roughly the same combinations stat wise, while still having some stats difer from one another.
This way it comes down to personal preference on which stats a player values more over the others.
fuck personal preference - i rock whats the best and git gud at it lol
@@Max-dv1kq thats the spirit. Nows the time for that
@@Max-dv1kq fuck your tryhard preference, I rock what I have fun with kid
Something you could do to take this a step further is to come up with a "composite speed" stat, since you only ever use one of the four speed stats at any given moment. If somebody could measure the total percentage of ground, anti-grav, water, and air across all the tracks in the game, you might be able to come up with an actual statistically best combo.
The problem with this is track variance.
Water speed, for example, matters a whole lot more on Dolphin Shoals than Wii Coconut Mall, for example, so if there's a build that can nix all water speed gains for ground speed gains (or vice versa) it'll perform better on the track it's more suited towards
@@steveheist6426 although assuming that track selection online is random, then statistically you can assign different weights to the different speed stats based on the probability of its occurrence and select based on that. Now it might turn out that ground speed dominates so highly that the weighting towards it also dominates, I haven't run the numbers.
@@steveheist6426 Steve that’s literally what this person is accounting for
Statistically, across all tracks, you could get an average distribution of the terrain types, and then probably find to what degree tracks like Dolphin Shoals deviate from the standard to see how worth considering they are in the grand scheme
“Statistically optimal” usually never means “best (or even good) in every situation,” but you can always land on a number, and that helps us make the unavoidable subjective decisions you bring up
someone did this though I can't find it again. but it was roughly across all tracks something like 80% ground, 15% antigravity, and air and water only being about 5% combined. which is to say almost not worth considering except to omtimize specific tracks for time trials.
@@DrSlipstream I mean sure, but even just experientially I think it's pretty apparent with a cursory knowledge of the (soon to be) 96 tracks, water and air are a tiny fraction of race time. at least far outweighed by ground, and significantly less than antigravity
The biggest thing to me is how we can now optimize for secondary stats in time trials. Acceleration is probably the best online but rarely the best for time trials. I can now spec into builds with additional traction, anti-grav speed, air speed etc without sacrificing ground speed or miniturbo like before.
Side note: I think anti-grav speed is less important online now than it used to be since almost none of the booster pass courses include it. If anything, air speed might be the way to go
Yeah air is more important for BCP but antigravity is way more important for classic
Love this update and how so many different combos are viable now! My main was Link/Teddy Buddy/Rollers before this update so now that it's meta I am switching to the main man, MARIO
I’ve been wanting a medium weight meta and I’m glad to see them a bit more viable now
Bro just play what you like
@Reezywyd I liked link teddy buggy because it was good and hardly anyone used him. Now that it's the most meta build in the game I would rather use something more unique like Mario/Splat Buggy/Rollers
@@thunderhog45 alr
My main was and still is king boo, teddy buggy, blue rollers and cloud glider
Quick little cheat sheet to find optimal builds in the new meta:
If your character's GS and MT add up to 10, your body's add up to 8, and your tires' add up to 6, it's probably viable with cloud glider (though a fair few dip below 14 MT).
Wow, you did the math for everyone, thanks, I knew some sort of statistical data could be pulled to determine the best builds.
I'd love to see a breakdown like this but specifically for Inward Drifting bikes! The fact they actually control differently means there are some people (like me!) who just prefer them over the "normal" drifting vehicles, so even if they may not be able to reach "true" optimal levels it'd still be nice to know which combinations get closest to optimal levels using them.
Comet / Yoshi bike are the same as cat cruiser / teddy so those are "meta" for inward drifting bikes
I too love the inward drifting bikes but always love dabbling with Karts as well.
Seems like my combination of:
Dk;
Comet;
Roller;
Cloud.
Ends up with:
11 ground and 15 mini turbo
Peach/Diasy/Yoshi/Birdo
Yoshi Bike/Comet
Cloud Glider/Paper Glider/Flower Glider/Parachute
Slim/Crimson Slim/Wooden
That is an optimal build with 11 speed and 15 MT. I find it the best inside drift combo since it has good traction, a really important inside drift stat. Rollers make drifting a bit wonky, so you trade insane MT for better speed and having an easier time drifting.
The amount of effort you put into this video is amazing. I mainly use characters I enjoy like Iggy, King Boo, Wario, Ludwig, and Luigi, but I'm happy to see that for people who want to play optimally, there are resources like this video that are available.
Thank you so much, i really put way more effort into this one than almost any other video on my channel, except maybe the first best builds video and my kusaan slide video haha
@@Bayesic that checks out given the title! Being a scientist in these contexts, to me, really just means putting in the effort when you have the means. Not a lot of people would even know where to start with this, so you’re providing a great service, and you know that serving the most requires doing it right!
You met the task with the appropriate respect and care, which I feel not everyone can say for a CZcams video, awesome work!
Lucky for you, they buffed Iggy/Luigi and King Boo. Every build who uses Rosalina also can use King Boo.
Thanks for the updated video!
It was interesting to hear all the science of the Wave 4 Meta combos now and I didn’t even notice the invincibility stat in Wave 3 until I watched this video.
As what this means for me, I have used the NOW Teddy/Cat Cruiser combos for fun back then when the Wiggler meta was still ongoing. However, I am happy to hear about other optimal builds like the Gold Standard/OG Standard are viable.
I do agree that we’ve entered a more diverse meta and the changes have been for the better.
Thanks for this video Bayseic!
Banger video - appreciate all the work that went into giving us a nice summary with your opinion + the updated website. Thank you for continuing to support and build the community!
Always used all standard kart parts with whatever character i happen to feel like just because I like the way the standard kart looks. Glad to see it's not even a downgrade to choose it anymore!
This is the most thorough analysis of the rebalance I’ve seen-easy to understand and straight to the point. Love the content Bayesic!
Amazing video as always Bayesic. I love putting math to video games, it's one of the reasons why I love competitive Pokemon so much.
I'm so happy that we get so much more optimal combinations now, I love being able to pick some of my favorite characters (namely King Boo) and also see more than a wave of Yellow+Purple online. It's a welcome change. As an added bonus, the Teddy Buggy is a much cuter combo than WWW, so it's less of an eyesore on the track, lol.
thanks for the analysis and the site! having so many new options also opens up better per track optimization too. it’s great stats other than mt/sg can be emphasized now
i think the weight stat should be considered more , i find that online having a bit more weight can make it easier to push ppl out of the way and take the lines you want. after the patch they’re all a bit slower but i find with lighter characters i slow down by taking different lines to avoid ppl.
it’ll be interesting to see now that the optimal build isn’t on a heavyweight
thats why i use the gold glider in my build, it has 'extra' points vs some other gliders and the extra .25 is in the weight section (without taking a .25 point from handling etc) makes it my choice now that im using a medium mii instead of a large one or DK in my new build - but yeah weight is super important online where races are tight cuz you dont wanna be stuck avoiding contact vs ignoring it
oh cool i didn’t know that , does it have similar stats to the cloud gliders or like the super glider ?
@@MFjackson yeah from what i remember atleast before the patch i sued a build of dk/scooty/cloud glider most of the time though after the nerfs for speed i figurd id still wana make up for the weight lost by going from DK/Large Mii to medium Mii on standard kart so added that gold glider for the weight
its interesting, you can add up the total amount of skill pionts and not all players have the same depending on the build too, for example i made one build that had 16 and 1/4 total points but my personal meta which isnt a real meta but pretty optimizd with the new patch but my new one has 18.25 overall skill points (would be 18 if i dindnt go from cloud glider to gold one cuz that extra weight stat doesnt come at the cost of anything else luckily...
Thanks a lot Bayesic! This has been really helpful.
I think this is a good analysis. I wanted to add a point from a hard-earned lesson as an ML practicioner that things might settle yet still on what the optimal (or "pareto-optimal") builds are for a given meta. There are oftentimes tiny factors, like kart size, that grossly impact how/what/where/when we make the decisions on what to use in online play or other.
Even in time trials, the answer to a "better run" can't always be guessed by drawing a straight line from what we already know. It's very nonlinear sometimes. But we can get very close, and sometimes the linear guess based on the pareto optimal stats for our desired goals -- in this case, the best combos of mini turbo and top ground speed :O -- is good enough.
Where you will possibly see the "nonlinear" side of things is in new strats that the new combos of carts unlock or make useless (like if we were depending upon hitting a certain ribbon of road for a jump boost and that gets moved in time due to a different cart being boost+speed optimal, etc)
That's the great part and good news for y'all! Now it's up for grabs, and you have even more of a leg up on the competition a bit! Just keep an eye out for new shifts and possibilities, and see if you can indeedy score yourself a new WR! It's both easier and harder than you think IMO if you dedicate yourself to it.
Thanks for making this video! I’m still using Yoshi/Wiggler/Leaf/Flower Glider, but now I’m inspired to try Yoshi/Cat Cruiser/Leaf/Flower Glider.
Great video as always,I haven’t kept up with these as much but had to watch this one to get some idea of how to pick in the meta. This video looked super polished too! Not sure how long it’ll take me to adjust away from the classic try hard build but we’ll see
I never realized there was so much to this game, great explanation of the games systems and how characters / karts work together!
Yoooo thanks for the comment! And keep on keepin on with the Zelda guides man they’re really well put together!
Waluigi is my favorite Mario character and I want to keep using him, so Waluigi Teddy Buggy/Roller/Paper will be great! Rosalina & Link are cool too, and I've had fun with Medium Mii Inkstriker today.
Thank you.
Omg TWOW 2nd place
@@danielchen2493Hello!
So glad and happy with this patch. I used to use the Flame Rider with the plane parts and crimson wheels or black tires with Rosalina alot. To me it had helped during the waluigi wiggler days in numerous situations though a uphill battle sometimes. I found it compete somewhat. Also item rng was a factor.
But it feels good to play a different combo with a similar taste. This is good patch and hope that wheels get love to at some point. They do make or break a vehicle in my opinion due to it's characteristics and turbo.
I've been trying out the Sports Coupe now and it's been giving me great results with the new boosts to mini turbo. I used to exclusively run Ludwig/Mr. Scooty/Button Wheels but now that's definitely going to change!
It is very satisfying that the video fades out just as Mario crosses the finish line.
Good editing!
Great analysis, this was actually quite eye-opening. I will say though, as an inward-drift main, it's always a little disappointing that inward bikes are typically overlooked when it comes to meta analysis. The one I'm using right now is Yoshi/Yoshi Bike/Rollers/Clouds, but you could argue some variation in character would be optimal. The real problem for me is that quite a few of these new courses seem to heavily favor karts over inward bikes, which is making me want to make the switch for good.
I’m imagining a way we can take this even further: optimize for each individual cup.
Quantify the meters for each speed category (ground, air, etc.) for each individual track; add them up for a cup’s total meters; then use the most common speed types as our speed variant.
I've been subbed for over a year and this is the first video I've seen pop up in 10 months. I hate the algorithm. You've got that calm and logical voice which makes it easy to hear and understand the more advanced stuff. Like Karl Jobst or Nelson from Chess Vibes.
🙏🙏
If I had a nickel for every time I heard “I’ve even got notifications on and didn’t know you were still making videos”
I’d have a shitload of nickels lol. I don’t know why CZcams hates my channel so much
What's interesting about the invincibility stat not really influencing the waluigi wiggler meta, is that I do not think many knew about it. Heck, this video is the first I've heard of it
Agreed. I think Nintendo should surface these stats
Great video man! was waiting on this :P althought I saw the results of people labbing on twitter and such, this was a fun watch :D
Funny enough I've actually been consistently front running with my favorite character Dry Bones | Flame Rider | Retro Off-Road | Cloud Glider, This isn't my usual build but I've been having a lot of fun with it and its been proving itself very effective online 🤩.
I've actually always been a Biddybuggy | Azure Rollers | Cloud Glider type of guy (with Dry Bones) as the reason I originally chose it was becuz it was the Kart that resembled the Dry Bomber from Mario Kart DS the most and drove the best imo while prioritizing mini-turbo over speed. (Landship is obviously more similar) but again, Biddybuggy drove more satisfyingly for me :D
Great content, can't wait for your future vids 💜
Great video man, the effort you put into researching, contrasting and showing us the data is incredible. From my experience since I've never been a tryhard in MK, I'll always use what I like the most because skill and decision making outweighs "meta combos" in Mario kart, I'm probably kinda wrong for this but I don't care lol
I focus more on 200cc, and so far I *really* like how Birdo/biddy/rollers feels there! Birdo/teddy feels great too. There's always been more build diversity for 200cc online play than for 150cc, but over the past year more and more people started to use waluigi biddy since it was objectively the best at the highest level. This has completely reset the diversity, which is really cool to see.
With that said, I feel TERRIBLE for time trialers who had all their records made obsolete overnight. Not fun for them at all.
Yeah it seems like a lot of people aren't thinking very deeply about the TT scene tbh. Like I have a 1:44 something on dDD 150 and I'm really proud of that time because of how optimized it was relative to the old world record. Now I can easily get a faster time with Birdo even on a bad run and it's like... I don't particularly care about fast times for the sake of having fast times, I care about fast times cause they represent mastery over the course
@@Bayesic Yeah it looks like most people haven't even considered Time Trials and think this patch is a complete upgrade
200cc is the future to be honest, people is getting pretty good at it, imo Nintendo should do a new VR lobby with 200cc and a freshly released 200cc Mirror. All tracks in tour have their R versions and are played regularly why 200cc doesn't have it is beyond me.
@@ChuyR. ngl I would rather play 50cc than 200 mirror LOL, but a 200cc-only VR would be amazing and show a support for the 200cc scene we haven't gotten from Nintendo in the past
@@MeesterTweester I'm not completely sure. If anything, it might incentive people to try to improve those timers.
Interestingly in the high level Japanese lobbies (specifically Kusaan is someone that I watch regularly) that I have seen in the past weeks, Ink Striker + Yoshi Weight is even more prevalent than Teddy Buggy with Yoshi/Rosalina Weight. Love your content, keep up the good work!
Really liking Luigi Inkstrider looking to find a build that I like with king boo as boos have been one of my favorite Mario enemies for a long time.
This is a great breakdown! One thing I haven’t seen explored too much in relation to the speed/MT balance is the role grip/traction plays; I enjoy swapping between very high and very low grip builds for fun, and it feels like it has a bearing on how quickly you’ll charge MT boosts.
This feels relevant now that Comet/Yoshi Bike have also been buffed, because they have identical stats to Cat Cruiser/Teddy Buggy, so with their narrow angle at the start of a drift + quick charge, maybe snaking becomes viable in some settings (also allowing more speed to be traded off for MT)?
So yoshi bike is meta now ?
@@loxng6801 I mean, it isn’t meta, because the meta seems to favour ATVs over karts, and karts over bikes. Plus inside drift is generally seen as less optimal than outside drift in this game.
I’m mostly just thinking that with the character and kart buffs, it could have its own niche if chaining MTs is substantially more effective with it.
Mini-turbo and Handling are the stats I often spec into. I like being zippy and drifting on a dime around even the tightest of corners. These builds also come with a lot of traction which helps for shortcuts and some of the silly tracks.
Been waiting for this! Thanks!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
It's good having these many options now! Personally I'm using Yoshi with the Teddy Buggy because I prefer more MT and it has the same value as my previous build (Toad Biddybuggy) but with a lot more speed
I love the Peach in the Cat Cruiser on Cushion Tires with the Cloud Glider.
new to your channel, but as a fellow data scientist this is brilliant fun.
Fellow number crunchers unite!
So glad they buffed underused stuff instead of just nerfing the meta combos. Using your website I discovered that my preferred build of King Boo, 300 SL Roadster, Cloud Glider and Slim/Roller for speed and mt respectively is now on the Pareto frontier, which is great!
What is your opinion on the lower tiers of builds and how they are in relation to the “meta” compared to before the update? Is the gap smaller? Obviously skill (and luck) is generally what’ll determine an online win anyway, but I’d like your opinion on how big the deficit is when using non-meta combos. Thanks for the great videos!
this is the video i´ve been waiting for, thanks!
A big apsect about the new metq I see nobody talk about is how some Inward Drifting bikes share stats with the Teddy Buggy, namely the Comet and the Yoshi Bike. This means the new meta allows optimality while also allowing a completely different drifting style.
I've always used Mario + standard kart online against many "more optimal builds." It's fun showing that optimal builds don't always matter. And I'm glad that Nintendo decided to make almost every kart optimal if used by someone knowledgeable on the courses, their kart, and character.
Iggy has been my favorite since MK8 on Wii U and I mostly used the red mini tires, flame bike and cloud or bowser glider with Iggy, will definitely try the ink striker, cause it looks dope too and Splatoon is nice! 👌
Loved the first video, loved the second video! Can't wait to crush people with my new Birdo build! I was tired of using DK and Mr Scooty anyway
Heyy. I really love your videos. I'm working my way through the staffghosts at 150cc and your video serie is really helpful. The recent update probably messed up all your recommended builds. I'm wondering if you have like a conversion table for the new builds you would recommend especially for the tracks where you don't recommend the standard build? That would be great help! Thanks for all the good content.
For the staff ghost series the same build would be fine, especially because I don’t think that cat cruiser or Teddy are available right away
As far as converting between old builds and new builds, I’m planning a wave 4 meta-analysis build kind video of like a retrospective after I’m done with Wave 4 bayesic training
@@Bayesic Wow that was a fast reaction :P Thanks for your reaction. Looking forward to your videos!
6:10 weight matters a lot. The reason baby buggy was only popular for a bit. They’re super strong if they get ahead but if have trouble getting to the point because the push mechanics in this game is insane. Slows you down a lot and flings you to the point your line is messed up or your off the map.
Standard Mario build is now ridiculously explosive, to the point that it’s extremely difficult to control
When I started playing, I kind of prioritised accelaration and if I liked the combo and that is how I got to shy guy/blue falcon/triforce wheels/standard glider. It works perfectly fine for me and I don't intend to change it, but sometimes I do however feel the lack in speed.
Awesome video, super interesting and great to see things are better!
One thing I am curious about - Is there any way to filter your complete 25k data set on your site with specific constraints?
I'd really like to be able to drill down a bit more, but I can't figure out how to get what I want. I'd like to be able to first filter any combos that aren't on the Pareto frontier between 8/18 and 18/8, and then sort by various secondary stats of my choosing. It seems that while I can filter MT and GS, that also gives 8/8 combos and so makes it not super easy to drill into.
Thanks for the analysis!
Appreciate your expertise!
Thank you so much!
TLDW:
Teddy Buggy/Cat Cruiser, rollers, cloud glider, and wario, waluigi, rosalina, luigi, or birdo classes
OR, Teddy Buggy/Cat Cruiser, buttons, cloud glider, waluigi, luigi, or birdo classes.
Alternatives to Teddy Buggy/Cat Cruiser: for anti-grav, luigi class and inkstriker. For mini-turbo, birdo class and biddybuggy. (Both with cloud glider and rollers)
I know it’s not optimal but for a long time I’ve been using the pipe frame with Mercedes wheels and cloud glider, simply because I like the way it looks/controls
I am using Rosalina on the red bike with red tires with the animal crossing glider. What can I say I am a bike girl. I know it’s not the meta but that’s what I have the most fun on. I like how different everything is now and I am seeing more and more people like this meta way better.
I'm still using what I've always used, Rosalina (my all time favorite character), the Yoshi Bike, because it mechanical Yoshi lol. Both got a buff so I'm good. Yes its not the most optimal drift type but its what I like and I can still hold my own.
Pre-patch, my build used to be Gold Mario/Pipe Frame/Roller/Gold Glider, but after the patch I switched to Rosalina/Blue Falcon/Roller/Cloud Glider; the handling feels slightly different, and it's definitely more focus towards ground speed, but I've been able to play pretty consistently nonetheless.
If anything it will lead to more course specific builds that's great news for the overall at least in time trials but we will still see an online meta settle on afew builds quickly
Mario Standard sweep
After Ground speed and mini turbo the next best stat for online is definitely weight, and is a big reason why inward drifting bikes are successful at the highest level, so with that being said I would not be surprised if the waluigi class remains meta, just with teddy or inkstriker this time around
Nice analysis, Bayesic. Hope we didn't pester you too much. And thanks heaps for updating the website!
Lol nah I had a ton of fun working on this
Bruh I needed the data science video before the 18😂
I have a office tournment today and I wanted to have a couple of intel about suboptimal but viable builds... damn it
Can't wait to see this video though
Update: I completely misreaded the situation. Most of the people where complete beginners and I demolished almost everyone istantly. Then I felt bad and left my spot to people thst were not tryharding but actually there to enjoy the social event.😭
what a plot twist
I used Rosalina + all gold parts before, and will continue to do so now. It just feels cool to drive something made completely from gold
as someone who has been playing Luigi with the teddybear forever just because I love the character and the kart I can tell you how much I am laughing at this update XD really nice to see people playing with new builds!
I'm running Birdo/Silver Arrow/Off-Road/Golden Glider. Having a blast.
Pre-patch I was using Villager(F)/Jet Bike/Slim/Golden. People give inside drift too much flak.
I've seen alot of people complain about the new meta since I play in competitive but tbh, I'm loving the new meta. I've gone from a 1:43.664 to a 1:42.449 on Dragon Driftway because of the Birdo Revolution and it feels amazing!
The funny thing is, I used to occasionally use Teddy Buggy and the Rollers with Bowser before the meta got changed so I am happy I'll be able to use it in the game now with it being more viable! 😄
Great video as always!
I saw you showing Ludwig and the F zero kart, any way to make that kart viable in casual play with friends since it's my favourites design wise?
I recently ran the f zero cart with shy guy and star wheels and preformed pretty well in online play so I'm sure it could work on a casual setting I could not math out those stats for you though.
Dry Bones,Biddy Buggy, azure rollers, and cloud glider. I've pulled off so many first places with that combo so far and cheese n rice is it nasty when you get a breakaway.
this change re-makes history. Hope we get a summoning salt episode on this in a few years
Haha, I’ve had to do my own optimization between self-expression and winning. I’ve noticed when I use combos that don’t appeal to me aesthetically I have less fun. I’ve also noticed when I lose every race, I have less fun. But the combos I like using the most tend not to be meta, so I always have to compromise between my desire to win and to look good while doing so. A few months ago I settled with Toad in the Biddybuggy with Rollers. Toad is my favorite character and I think the Biddybuggy suits him well visually. With the new meta I might swap to Teddy Buggy, but keep everything else the same.
I use the standard kart and wheels setup but with Luigi. It feels refreshing to be able to pick pretty much any character now
I've been using Daisy, City Tripper, GLA tires, and Peach Glider lately, it's got just slightly less speed than the Rosalina meta build but with slightly better acceleration, ground handling, and traction, plus MUCH better invincibility. It's one tick below being pareto optimal, but it's still very good!
So I’ve been playing lounge (competitive) and people use rosalina on either teddy buggy or wiggler with rollers and cloud glider! But i am having fun with the handling from daisy with the teddy buggy, roller and paper glider!
I use luigi eith standard bike, rollers and cloud glider. It has more acceleration and handling for a bit of speed and weight. Its invincibility stat is also higher too.
Hi,Great video!
Maybe to choose between all optimal combos : instead of ranking the stats you want to optimize, you can choose an equation to maximize with a combination of the stats with weights associated to each stat. The problem will remain choosing the weights, but i think we can figure it out with the time we spend on average using a stat or an other while playing online (for exemple % of under water parts on all tracks, % of time you are using the mt you get on a turn…)
(I’m a data scientist so if you are intrested and need some help you can contact me😊)
I really like to use the yoshi, airship kart, rollers, and animal crossing glider; it seems to be the perfect combination for me
Omg thank you...I needed this so bad lol
fwiw based on the buffs/nerfs etc i switched from Large Mii on Mr.Scooty/roller tires/mktv glider to Medium Mii on standard kart with normal/blue/mercedes tires and the gold glider - found after a few races of getting the feel for the new set up i found i was having more success so sticking with that - im sure there are better metas but im not like 'follow the meta' guy, never did a waluigi wiggler i gott atleast kinda like the look of what im driving lol
It's nice to see that Waluigi might still part of the meta! I was very worried he'd be left forgotten just like other times! I want people to see why many people like him and playing as him is one way to see that. So it's reassuring to see he still might get some use in the new meta!
This update has been amazing. My favorite build has to be Yellow Shy Guy, Inkstriker, Rollers, and Paper glider.
I do love me some shy guy haha
Used the same build with Toad (same stats as Shy Guy)
My personal preference is what looks and feels good to play, instead of mathematically optimal. With that mindset I landed on Koopa Troopa, B Dasher, Standard, Paper. Good handling, only .5 bars below recommended mini turbo and hilariously high invicibility, which has saved me from blue shells a lot more than I thought it would 😂 I still think this dedication to finding optimal combos is amazing and I'd probably use one of them in a higher level match
i've been playing Full Standard Luigi for as long as mario kart has had customizable anything so... idk i dont feel especially vindicated but it's nice to hear that it's ok
Thank you I thought just iggy inkstriker and rosea teddy buggy I also saw a bit of birto teddy buggy but that is it i did not know that dk teddy buggy for example was still viable.
I use Lemmy, Bone Rattler, rollers and gold glider, it’s the combo I’ve mained for 4 years and with this latest patch it seems even better.
Great video! Do you think Nintendo will tweak character stats again in wave 5 or 6?
I sure as hell hope not lol
My previous set up was Inkling/splat buggy/rollers. Since the change the I’ve replaced the rollers with cushion tires. I have raced with birdo in general and she seemed slightly faster or maybe better handling.
You mean "he", that character never was a woman, did You know that?.
I really have been liking waluigi mach 8 with roller wheels and cloud glider, I use it over inkstriker for better invincibility. And it's so fast while having the same mini turbo as the wiggler.
edit: i saw that if i replaced the rollers on that combo with buttons, than i would get an even 4 in both ground speed and mini turbo and i would also get an optimal build for anti-grav speed to mini-turbo and sense i personally value anti-grav speed over acceleration sense to me you cant get enough anti-grav speed where as with acceleration it has a tendency to curve in usefulness after a point in my testing. i do value mini-turbo over ground speed and thus its importance is shown by optimizing the third most important stat to me around the mini-turbo stat. this can remain true while keeping the mini-turbo stat of the wiggler by swapping waluigi with rosa or link.
I've used inkling inkstriker since the beginning because solatoon is awsome and to know that its a bit better now is really cool
Yoshi
Streetle
Leaf tires
Mktv
Gives me a lot of good races and wins lately
This may just be me but after seeing more world records and playing super heavies so much
I think air turnings important mainly for glider ramp mini turbos, and some amount of weight so I don't get bullied off track, usually notcaring bout traction and other handlings for 150cc
i will test this build: Yoshi, Roadster, GLA Tires, Paper glider. Fun thing i discovered is that the GLA tires are the same as normal tires, but has an extra 0.25 invincibility XD same ghoes for Roadster vs Normal Kart. as i remember, the 0.25/ and 0.75 values a rounded down, so this looks to be a more rounded build than the Build with rosalina mentioned here?
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amazing video! to quickly summarise (beacause i'm just stupid) what is...
- the new waluigi wiggler?
- the new waluigi biddybuggy?
So there’s not really a new Walu Wiggler or Walu Biddy since there are two dominant builds for each
I would say Rosa Teddy or Luigi Teddy or Yoshi Teddy all with rollers
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Yoshi, streetle, cushion wheels, and cloud glider is my jam no matter what.