Brian Eno: The Innovator | Broken Record (Hosted by Rick Rubin)
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- Not many musicians cite design or architecture as their inspiration. But sitting in a beautifully designed German airport in 1978, Brian Eno was inspired to create atmospheric music to complement the space. His landmark album, “Ambient 1: Music for Airports,” followed, and with it, Eno created Ambient Music, an entirely new genre that still thrives today.
Brian Eno’s 50-year career is teeming with innovation. He started out playing synths in the early ‘70s as a member of the UK, glam-rock band Roxy Music and went on to record a series of solo albums, eventually producing career-defining albums for a host of bands including U2, Devo, and Coldplay.
His latest project is a radio station of sorts through Sonos Radio HD. He’ll be streaming 300 unreleased songs from his decades in music, including some that he’s still making today. The station is called The Lighthouse.
On today’s episode, @RickRubin talks to Brian a bit about that station, but also about his love for the musical space that exists between humans and machines. Eno also recalls predicting the birth of hip-hop in the back of a cab with @davidbyrneofficial and explains why listening to @Beyonce through a wall is strangely satisfying.
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Brian Eno launches a new, exclusive Sonos Radio HD station called The Lighthouse on June 8. This station features decades of unheard music from Eno and is a reflection of the artist’s innovative spirit and creative genius. Go to sonos.com/sonos-radio to start a free trial or brian-eno.net for more information.
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Also: I have a few thousand bits of unrecorded songs and pieces, of course. An album's worth of excellent songs, at least. An answer to Neil Young - This here, this now, is not nowhere (la la la la la la la).
We need visuals
I once actually heard Music for Airports in an airport, while catching a red-eye at the Buffalo airport. Totally surreal to hear it while riding a people mover in the middle of the night in an nearly-empty airport. It was so cool.
ok.
That's when you wonder what's really going on!
what a vibe!
"I was always drawn to this idea of doing as much as possible with as little as possible. I was never impressed by, you know, complicated time signatures and amazing brilliant playing and so on. It's sort of impressive, but for me there was not the same magic in there. You could see the trick being done."
-Brian Eno
Him saying that to Rick is like Jordan telling Kobe, "I REALLY favor a sport called basketball!"
@@ronniesnakehissiii9413 Not sure how that applies here. The reference points for them and their careers are vastly different. When Eno came up in the 70's in England, prog rock was prevalent and that musicianship he's referring to was very much a thing. When Rubin came up in the 80's hip-hop movement and fusing rock elements with rap (and then later producing for rock bands), these elements weren't nearly as present.
Eno is politely fingering prog as he has before. I have heard him call it too obvious. This helped me as well.
I'm impressed by everything.
i like virtuosity if its musical. but do prefer to the subtly wondrous. its a question of likes
after almost fifty years, eno`s first four (non-ambient) vocal albums still remain my favourite body of work in pop music, ever.
Yes they're great. I remember where I was the first time I listened to Another Green World waiting for a bus in Mesa AZ in 1997 the feeling of well this is incredibly different and cool. "All the clouds turn to words. All the words float in sequence. No one knows what they mean. Everyone just ignores them" brilliant
'Before and after Science ' for me personally!
Transports me back to my psychedelic 70s youth!!...
@@AntonyFleck Yeah, that's a great one.
WHY IS THIS CALLED "THE INNOVATOR" AND NOT "THE ENOVATOR"???!!!
Because Gladwell knows his audience rolls their eyes at such low hanging fruit.
Brilliant
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHE
Isn't it obvious?
because that's a bad idea
Eno’s thought process and Rick’s chuckle are appreciated and adorable.
'The Pearl' is the perfect 'prettiest' collection of music, hands down!!
Half of the recognition there should go to Harold Budd.
Actually maybe it should be in thirds, Eno, Budd, and Daniel Lanois
Talking about what Eno says when he talks about listening music through a wall, there is a anecdote told by Elizabeth Fraser in a Cocteau Twins interview that I always loved. Elizabeth Fraser tells that she started to sing in her now typical way, almost whispering her unintelligible lyrics when she listened the rest of the band playing through a wall in the studio. She tells that that kind of sound suggested her the idea of singing like that. Now listening to Eno talking about this I confirm one more time the genius of Liz and also of Eno
Pretty wild, Cocteau Twins and Warm Jets just popped up on my feed, which lead me here, love Brian and Elizabeth
Reminds me of how Eno was about it to produce for the Cocteau Twins but Robin Guthrie was so adamant about the production that Eno walked out saying "it seems like you already know what you want"
Feel the music, Trout Mask style
What an absolutely delightful conversation!
Brian Eno is a deeply interesting person and hearing about who he is and what inspires him adds a whole new layer of listenability to his music and thank you Rick Rubin for being a bad ass and walking me through Brian's brain.
Eno just keeps on giving, over the span of 40 years of my life.
I didn't really "get" ASMR until Brian Eno interpreted it as a form of ambient music. Thanks (again!) Brian.
It has no past, and no future. And has nothing to say 😂
Whenever I approach to Eno's music it always comes to me the reflection that ambient music tends to dissolve your limits so that you can get immersed into the All. Melody is the expression of ego calling up for attention as the center of music. As a musician, dissolving the melody and even the harmony you may find yourself on a new place where you can connect with something else.
A lot of people like to call every moron who makes music a "genius" but Brian Eno is an actual musical genius.
He’s always struck me as an artist who’s at least as interested in pure thought & intellectual ideas, and many types of visual art & style, as he is in tones & sounds & music. So I’m agreeing with your ‘genius ‘ thing, but maybe even expanding on it a bit?
You're conflating the strict definition of the word with a colloqualism. Genius can be used to refer to unique or original creativity, it doesn't have to mean "highly intelligent".
I suspect he would be embarassed to be called a genius
@@urmumsbaps "Genesis"--from the beginning. Genius implies never been done before and whose influence transcends its time.
I'm a moronic genius!!
I remember years ago after I bought
Hero's by David Bowie.
I bought Low as well.
Reading interview by Bowie
Mentioned ENO and his influence
On Berlin Era.
I bought Here Come the Warm Jets
And Taking Tiger Mountain
Another Green World
Before after Science.
Discreet Music and Music for Airports.
Those Records really hit me.
Even Today there still Timeless.
I've Collected Eno records through the Years.
His Last Record is Excellent.
Treated his Vocals.
That record is Amazing.
Love him as an Artist.
Especially his work with Robert Fripp.
Still Today he presses Boundaries.
Great interview with Rick Rubin.
Another great producer.
Eno's a joy to listen to, simply because he's aware of his own place in musical history, and yet never fails to challenge himself.
It's understandable there's elements of repetition in his work (I've written for licensing houses and music libraries and the sheer quantity produced means you do tend to repeat yourself here and there), as he's been going for nearly 50 years. But he embraces everything in the name of art, discovery and improvement. Fantastic stuff.
Thank you for sharing
He's not aware, he's a grifter.
He just recently called all struggling artists "little capitalist assholes" because he has a problem with other people making money and trying not to live in poverty.
@@aristideregnier4883 I really like what you wrote here. Could you tell me where did you heard or read what you cuote about Mr. Eno being disrespectfull to other musicians?
@@josequiero1118 an interview about nft's
and he's not a snob. that's a very important aspect that some of his fans don't seem to get.
Inability is often the mother of restriction, and restriction is the great mother of inventive performance.
Holger Czukay
The great part of these Rick Rubin interviews, is that he is on equal footing with his guests, and is always respectful and insightful. Great stoner laugh too.
The best podcast. Rick is so humble and curious.
You’re a Greek God 😍
Brian tends to expand the artists boundaries and constantly seek for new range of possibilities. While Rick tends to dive intrinsically to the artists soul. Digs the elements of their vision, intention, or culture, and arrange it precisely into remarkable works.
Both potrays our mood's reflection through sound and noises. Both shape our pop culture. Both legend. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Concerning Brian Eno's description of his discovery of "ambient music" at 27:46: the woman who introduced Brian Eno to what he would later call "ambient music" is Judy Nylon, the same Judy who was referred to in the title "Back in Judy's Jungle."
Here is Judy Nylon's take on what happened, according to an October 2001 interview by Bart Plantega ("Live Now, Wise Up, Die Well: An Interview with Judy Nylon, Punk Legend"):
"So it was pouring rain in Leicester Square, I bought the harp music from a guy in a booth behind the tube station with my last few quid because we communicated in ideas, not flowers and chocolate, and I didn't want to show up empty-handed.
"Neither of us was into harp music. But, I grew up in America with ambient music. If I was upset as a kid I was allowed to fall asleep listening to a Martin Denny album…I think it was called _Quiet Village_ . The jungle sounds, played very softly made the room's darkness caressing instead of empty as a void. Pain was more tolerable.
"Brian had just come out of hospital, his lung was collapsed and he lay immobile on pillows on the floor with a bank of windows looking out at soft rain in the park on Grantully Road, on his right and his sound system on his left. I put the harp music on and balanced it as best as I could from where I stood; he caught on immediately to what I was doing and helped me balance the softness of the rain patter with the faint string sound for where he lay in the room.
"There was no 'ambience by mistake.' Neither of us invented ambient music; that he could convince EG Music to finance his putting out a line of very soft sound recordings is something quite different."
Erik Satie coined the term "Furniture Music" in 1917 ... and his music was definitely ambient! Just sayin' ... I LOVE Brian Eno forever.
Satie is amazing. A true visionary
Bill Nelson's Red Noise did a wonderful song called "Furniture Music" in the 1980s. Nelson always cites his influences.
Saties music was not ambient, obviously
Agreed!
I lovvvveeee Brian Eno
Great interview, Thank you Brian Eno
Thank you. Love Brian.
The "why didn't I do that?" thing hit home.
Sonic Seasonings is a 1972 double album by Wendy Carlos.The album features four ambient music tracks, each loosely based on one of the four seasons, combining various field recordings with sounds from a Moog synthesizer.
Mind opening! also very glad to know that Eno too doesn't listen a lot to his favourite pieces "not to lose the magic".. I thought I was weird in doing the same.
I heard of Brian Eno before.
But his last album FOREVERANDEVERNOMORE was my first introduction to his music.
I was stunned by it, and felt a connection to a complete stranger.
This conversation moved me so much, his takes on Art and Life are so inspiring.
Made realize he's not just a great artist but also a great human being.
Mysterino love your music been listening to it since riponino and I'd always put on swastika girls to clear out a party when it got a little bit too busy and the people that stayed for it we're always my kind of guys and girls
I should check my spelling Frip and Eno and Mr Eno
You should hear Music For Airports, Another Green World, and My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, see if those take hold for you as well? Music For Films you might like on first listen.
two bright minds. What an inspiration! thank you
Simply splendid. Very inspirational conversation.
Fantastic!☀️👍🙏🏿✊🏿 thanks for sharing ☀️
an incredible conversation between two brilliant men.
Man is one of my biggest inspirations; to go from his perfect pop albums with Roxy and his first two solo albums and his more experimental next two albums (and further career) and seeing that ambient progression on songs like Here Comes the Warm Jets or Taking Tiger Mountain or Becalmed etc. etc. was so awesome. Truly a brilliant brilliant man.
Phenomenal interview by two titans
Great convo! Eno is a genius and a truly thoughtful and creative iconoclast; not just a barrier-breaker. Between what he brings to the proverbial table and Rick's deep intelligence and kindness, we are treated to many reasons to be grateful within less than an hour!
Thoroughly enjoyed hearing Brians thoughts.
Brian Eno really great thinker, looking forward to this!
20:55 "smacking lips" videos. hahahaha. I love Brian Eno. ALWAYS a great interview. Best spoken artist currently active.
Thanks for posting, great to listen him talk process and all the things!
Thank you for this interview. Wonderful stuff.
A very enjoyable interview, thank you... I love listening to Brian Eno speak on music and art just as much as I love his music...
So interesting to hear the thoughts behind the music Eno creates. I am very drawn to his music.
Brian and Rick. Thanks 🙏
Couldn’t find more than that and seems so ‘little’ for so much.
Listened to this several times. Wonderful. His approach and articulating his thoughts were mirrored by my own and reading the great comments many others. Great conversation
Amazing 💙✨
Dieter Moebius' 1983 album with Gerd Beerbohm called Double Cut features music that sounds like club music being listened to from outside the venue through a thick brick wall.
Yes it does. We have a Moebius related project coming up very soon.
Thank you! Two wise men together!
a joy to listen to . so much to learn
“I don’t have that, but I understand.” 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Such an inspiring artist.
very interesting and insightful. Thank you both for this.
thank you for sharing.
I was just talking about my changing musical tastes last night with my wife. I rarely ever listen to any of the rock music I grew up on, in my collection anymore. I've heard it for years on the radio. Now I look for new sounds or sounds that are new for me from old groups and styles.
Eno's music will never get old. Another Green World is my favorite of his. Before & After Science and Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy are fantastic too. I often go to his ambient recordings when I want to hear something but can't decide what.
A true meeting of two absolute genius
Can’t wait for a part 2 between this two geniuses
The best moment for me is when Eno talks about living in different parts of the world saying he wouldnt move unless forced hahaha - its such a nice interview with him
thanks rick !!
Dear Brian, love you, enjoy your work so much. Jesus is real❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thoroughly enjoyable, illuminating.
this is a very good interview
Loved this one as well ...... Eno sounds like such a lovely person ... and a good friend. I'd love to hear (obviously) much much more
from him ..... along the lines of his work with Daniel Lanios, U2, and Bowie etc.
Brilliant!!!✨💎✨
I have not really listened to any of Brian's music before listening to this interview and usually i listen to the music of the artist first before listening to an interview of them buuuuuut jesus, listening to this made me really want to explore his music now. Great interview with two amazing minds!
WOW! two weeks ago I was visiting the Louis Vuitton Foundation in Paris... throughout this beautiful building I got to experience an exhibit of the works of Hantai. It moved me in a very strange way. I kept asking myself, what would his art sound like? thank you Brian Eno for answering so many of those questions I had that day. Brilliant interview...
Thank you for this
Beautiful 🙏❤️
fascinating interview, thank you so much
This was an excellent , inspiring and most fascinating conversation. Thank you.
Good one, Rick. You are just too cool brother.
love it!
Thank you so much Brian ,Rick…glad to have heard Brian speaking ….yes because I never ever really heard him speak .I love and I am interesting,enjoying and wonder his music and him working with other special humans to . Ok ,loved this interview and wish you all well ,love Sylvia
inspiring as alway !
Incredible conversation
For being the world’s renowned inventor and lead purveyor of essentially the greatest known, respected and heralded background music: Him sure gotta lotta words!
But quality words....
Repetitious concentration can exhaust me. Thursday Afternoon feels like the earth is purring without sentiment.
brilliant interview fascinating and inspiring insights -
im 25 with alot of the same values as Eno Hope to meet this man in the future,
15:00 I identify with that so much. There's something truly magical about the seemingly simple.
Another great one!!!
I would say enjoying hearing music through a wall all depends on your emotional state, what you are doing at the time, the time of the day, and how much you like or hate your neighbours.
This is all I thought of. Acoustically transparent walls being more of a norm here now. It never comes when you want it to, and the lack of control over it can be anxiety-triggering depending on those variables. With ours, the previous source was always malicious, scornful, spiteful, very loud, late and long-running. They've moved now, fortunately. The current source we have a much higher opinion of and they of us as well. I'll try to listen differently I'll try to listen differently the next time it happens to see if I tolerate it better.
I lived next door to an a-hole who would randomly play snippets of songs at loud volume at any random hour. I f--king hated him and he even managed to spoil my liking of some songs which he liked and I happened to like....but Id rather not be woken up at 2am by it blasting through the wall !
probably my fave Rick Rubin interview to date
Listening to this conversation with "Neroli" playing in the background is absolutely sublime :-)
every sentence out of this guy's mouth is thought-provoking, just spilling decades of wisdom
I am gonna disagree with brian @30:00 : we DO need music. We get sick and depressed without it. It IS more essential than science can yet dream of.
Wonderful show! Thank you both. Been listening to Brian since c.1980 or so via his another green world and before and after science and heads and bowie. He now ranks as perhaps my most influential and favorite artist of 70s. Up there with late 70s joni. :-)
After Vatican 2 monasteries were encouraged to be more active in life and ditch the long services and psalm singing. The monasteries who tried this had many many depressed monks.
It has been tried. And was a dismal but important failure.
I see of course Brian was being his own devil's advocate.:-)
Joni Mitchell keeps appearing to me, and it's always in the context of: "... a genius".
Epic!
wow that last part was beautiful
Great interview!!!
Christ here’s me sitting in my kitchen listening to two living legends having a chat, man I love CZcams
I could listen to these two chat forever
I listened intently to the Beatles through the wall recently..All the instruments took on the characteristics of various drums...Paul’s bass sounded like a huge melodic sounding array of timpanies, the other instruments took in qualities of percussion instruments...It was fascinating...I realized that the Beatles overall “sound” was very innovative: almost like the early 60s version of drum and bass or jungle beat type music...
Well yes, there's a great t-shirt with Ringo & Paul, under their faces the words drum & bass.
I'm a 60-something longtime fan and thank you for this audio. This gent sounds so squared-away. It's cool to hear someone lucky enough to live a real vocation. I like King's Lead Hat best because I've no clue what it's about. It's the soundscape that's pure escapism to me.
Anagram of Talking Heads…
The talking heads are what the kings lead hat is about.
Did not see this one coming, should be v insightful
"A lot of people are crippled by not knowing the answer, and so they just choose an inappropriate answer. Just for the want of an answer. And so you just have to accept that you don't know the answers and you will make mistakes and you will need to change your values and your tools, and some of you them might last you a lifetime. But, you're lucky if that happens. I haven't got any that lasted me a lifetime."
-Brian Eno
Robert Ashley's operatic works are very ASMR to me.
didn't think i'd get to hear brian eno do asmr pretty cool
I love how Eno loves the sounds of vocals both pure and also treated. The voice is an instrument that people push in many ways, but seldom do people refer to it as an instrument. What I find interesting are not the perfect singers, but the willfully imperfect voices like Lou Reed or Moe Tucker or other less than perfect voices. This whole thing of pushing the voice athletically is less interesting than just a random voice with interesting lyrics. Bands like The Pastels with their idiosyncratic vocals were more interesting at times than “perfect “ singers, to me.
Stephen Malkmus and Tom Waits come to mind
@@matthewgriffin3486 - Absolutely those are two excellent examples, and two favorites of mine.
Letting go of control, very Zen. Eno Lucky us.
A freakin legend