Why Does Israel Exist?
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Israel is at the heart of one of the most controversial conflicts in the world today. In part 1 of this two-part video, we look at the origins of the state of Israel, the ideas behind it, and the origins of their conflict with the Palestinian natives.
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When am listening to you, I realize I only knew half of the history.
Everytime I listen to you, I learn something new. You have a unique way,a unique style that keeps attention to the listener.
Hi there. I can't find part 2 :( Where is it please?
Tristan,
Great video, but I'm a bit concerned that you might be conflating two separate ideas, both of which you're referring to as nationalism - I'm going to simplify by saying "statist nationalism" and "racial nationalism" (because, to put all my cards on the table, I'm not entirely sure what the correct terminology might be). Statist nationalism is the idea that the nation is the most important aspect of life, as opposed to international, local, social, or other affairs. While you would think that would lend itself to non-interventionist foreign policy - and, to be fair, it sometimes does: see USA, 1890s through 1940s - it usually manifests alongside irredentist movements, like early 20th-century German nationalism, which included the idea that being German was the most important aspect of a German citizen, over things like being European, being from Berlin, or being working-class, but also led people to advocate for German domination over Europe and eventually the world. Racial nationalism, which often (but not always) forms part of statist nationalist ideology, is the idea that a nation should be led by and tolerant of only a single race to the exclusion of all others. An obvious example is white nationalism, which of course was another major tenet of German nationalism, especially by the time of Nazi rule - but it also has factions across the world and across history, especially in places populated almost entirely by just two racial groups. An example would be Israel, which almost exclusively includes Arab and Jewish citizens (though of course there are other diasporic populations, including white, south Asian, and African people). Zionism is a mixed ideology, like German nationalism, that includes both statist and racial nationalism: roughly holding that Israel should be an entirely Jewish nation, and its people should fight for the strength of the Israeli state rather than the strength of a social group or city or pretty much anything else (except religion - never expect power-hungry radical groups to be ideologically consistent if it would hamper their other goals). Just remember that Trump is espousing state nationalism when he calls to bring jobs back and to fight for American ideals, and Steven Crowder is espousing white nationalism when he asserts that diversity breeds disunity and POC are naturally more likely to be criminals. (*A*S*T*E*R*I*S*K* I'm not saying that either of those two men don't also propel the other's ideas; they most certainly do. Like I said, the two ideologies often go hand-in-hand.)
Dear Trisan,
I like your videos very much, most of them are spot on. In this one, you have mentioned the Stern gang and the King David Hotel attack, hardly any CZcams historian, on this topic, does that, Excellent! You jumped from Napoleon Bonaparte to Chaim Weissmann and that is a big leap. Dr. Leon Pinsker (1821-1891) is the father of modern Zionism and wrote the pamphlet “Auto-emancipation”. This pamphlet is readable on Wikipedia in English. This is a must read, to understand the period between Theodor Herzl (1860-1904) -who endorsed Pinsker's theories and wrote the more moderate Der Judenstaat - and David Ben-Gurion (1886 - 1973). If you have the stomach, to read “Auto-emancipation”, you should make an additional video about it. It’s vomit or barf, “Auto-emancipation”, gave me a deep depression.
Modern Zionism arose in response to the beginning of the abolition of black slavery and decolonization, in the 1850’s, as a small cult within Diaspora Judaism.
Dear Tristan. I agree with almost everything you've said in this video, but still, let me insert one or two little caveats. Is Israel a genocidal apartheid-state? Yes. Quite clearly, yes.
The state of Israel's conduct in the occupied territories is simply indefensible.
Is Israel's existence a historical accident? Yes again, quite clearly.
But..... Israel is not the world's first genocidal apartheid-state, and it sure won't be the last, so the level of popular obsession with Israel seems disproportionate, and sometimes I develop a pretty cynical hunch as to why that might be....
Secondly, of course Israel's existence is a freak historical accident, but the same point could be made about most of the nation-states on Earth. Run through the entire list of 194 currently existent independent states and sovereign territories. When and under what circumstances did each of them gain their independence?
It turns out that about 60% of all the currently existent independent states on Earth are younger than the modern state of Israel, and came into existence under circumstances no less arbitrary or accidental than those which brought Israel into existence. History is just a series of accidents.
Is the state of Israel really an essentially more "artificial" entity than Suriname, or Ukraine, or even Belgium?
The existence of ALL of those countries is purely and simply a matter of historical accident, just as it is in the case of Israel.
Furthermore, ALL countries are temporary entities. Countries exist accidentally, until such a time as they simply contingently stop existing..... Many countries have had much shorter lifespans than the lifespans of individual people.
The two-video solution. A wise choice.
Elitist 226 You won the internet today, pal!
Except that the other video feels like it doesn't exist right now.
Which adds more layer to the analogy
I hate that Part 1 has 24k views and Part 2 has only 9k views...
Let's you know how many choose to be blind..
How about a no state solution
> Slowly backing away from the comment section before the war starts.
So far so good
80 years too late
Nationalism AND British imperialism! What could possibly go wrong?
It's like trying to make a smoothie with a dead animal carcass and vomit
The price of tea is to damn high!
Alice Dexter the same can be said for any major religion.
Alice Dexter JIDF schpotted
Brendan, I look at the different faiths, there is one faith today that is involved with 97% of terrorist attacks, it is not Christianity, sure not Buddhism, Judaism, or any other faith, but there is one that is, that would be Islam.
Imagine two other countries deciding how much of your country they'll settle.
Another thing you should have mentioned- as to why the Jews had tension with the British- it might have to do with putting Holocaust survivors in prisons for attempting to flee into Israel. I think that could be an important factor.
Nationalism, nationalism, and more nationalism, with a sprinkling of colonialist apathy. A surefire recipe for success (if you're lucky enough to live far away).
Don't be ridiculous, it's not colonialism. It's the Jewish homeland.
@@anti-fascistapachehelicopt8236 technically all humans come from Africa that didn't make the colonization of Africa by Europeans moral or right or not colonialism. Nor would it be right for Irish Americans to found a new state in Ireland and make current Irish citizens second class citizens.
@@seekingabsolution1907 You are absolutely correct, and since I wrote that comment I have shifted entirely in the Israel-Palestine conflict. I am now a proud supporter of Palestine.
@@anti-fascistapachehelicopt8236 it's still their homeland.
Thank you for mentioning the Arab-Nazi connection. However your explanation of the Jewish side was completely Ashkenazi centered. No mention of the Sephardic or Druze experience.
jews left europe to the next worst place at the time for jewish people.
@@LukeTEvans Zionist hate for Europe is clear to see
@@michaelreynolds8204 they have more claim to the land then European khazars
I had about 10 seconds where I was thinking '"Jewish pilgrims in Russia" what the hell does that mean!?' before realising it was just the way he was pronounce "Pogroms"!
if i was jewish and saw how things have gone in israel and i wanted leave where i was i would go to the jewish republic in the far east. after the world 2 why should jews have to leave they shouldnt feel uncomfortable in europe or the west
You have balls of steel to make this video.
I know right, And the fact he's jewish himself. Shit he showed a more objective history of this than any random secular version I've seen lol. He's like me though born jewish but like christians its honestly just a random question in conversations very rarely (more so if your a jew obviously, by nature of being the minority group) Then there's those jews who can't speak more than 3 sentences without mentioning that their jewish and how that somehow affects their opinion on the avengers movie... I used to be like that *rolls eyes in anachronistic embarrassment smh* But you get older. If there's one thing the internet teaches you, other peoples pet peeves and how to avoid them.
sigh. can we retire that worthless old word it does nothing but detract form the topic at hand and more often then not just is used by pro-israel people because they have no argument.
for me when i point out the truth of israel and its atrocities. whenever i get called a anti-semite i treat it as a badge of honour. because i pretty much just said something that the pro-israel person cant deny or come up with a legitimate argument. prom[ting them to play the "Anti-Semite card"
Diana Pristavu yes but very little mind we are here therefore the question is moot.
Eli Gutman He must be a convert.
Ragin Caucasion Your comment is inaccurate rethink your post.
Why does Israel Exist?
As Dr. Zoidberg once said "Not a day goes by I don't ask myself the same question."
Ok I know I'm late for the party but why did you talk about the Jewish diaspora only in Europe?? There have been Jewish communities in Africa and Asia too, for centuries.
I agree. There's Black jews and Indian jews as well. It feeds into this stereotype that white jews are somehow, "authentic" while other races are not real jews. This is both racist and anti-jewish.
Just discovered you channel and subscribed after viewing this first podcast and the following one. Thumbs up for a very detailed, well researched but simply explained issue which is so complicated, and without being biased. Will be looking forward to viewing your other videos, because from this first viewing I believe they might be sane comments about our presently insane world.
Thank you so much! Cheers!
These comments are gonna be VERY interesting
Amazing video, I really enjoyed your style of explaining everything to us, excellent work......
'After the Allied victory of 1918, at
the end of my father’s war, the victors divided up the lands of their former enemies. In the space of just seventeen months, they created the borders of
Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia and most of the Middle East. And I have spent my
entire career-in Belfast and Sarajevo, in Beirut and Baghdad-watching the
peoples within those borders burn. ' Robert Fisk The Great War for Civilisation.
....I mean, there are definitely plenty of reasons to criticize the King David Hotel attack, but to refer to it as "a hotel" is rather deceptive, the attack was against British military and administrative headquarters within the hotel
It was a hotel. My grandfather joined the RAF in ‘44 on a short service recruitment (the duration or 2 years). In 45 he was sent to Egypt for operational training as a navigator. His unit was stood down from training in May 45 and he spent the rest of his service with the RAF regiment guarding an air base in the Canal Zone near the bitter lakes. When his term was up in the summer of ‘46 he was given a weeks leave in Jerusalem so he could visit the holy sites of Jerusalem and Bethlehem if he wanted to. During that time he was quartered in he king david hotel. He never forgot nor forgave those who tried to kill him.
They have NO industry!!! Only US tax dollars keep them afloat. I'd like to see how long and how well they hold out without that American dough.
Nice American Tail reference. ❤
I was worried that it was too old a reference now
Step Back History hey I’m barley a millennial, but I got it. Thank god I was raised on Toon Disney (and PBS Kids).
Oh yeah... My favorite history channel touching this subject! How awesome is this?
Hey Tristan, do you have a video on the ottoman empire? Kinda interested in knowing more, great video!
Also, you should do a video on the scramble for Africa, another tragic event in history where white Europeans fucked over an entire continent.
I'll bump it up
Mk S.
yep Blame all Europeans for what select groups did yep typical American
Very good video, suprisingly non biased. I hope for once, the comments section of this video can remain civil. Good work!
You should check out the Haavara Agreement of 1933. Some disturbing alliances between Nazis and the founders of Israel.
I think there are two separate ideas being referred to as nationalism here - I'm going to simplify by saying "statist nationalism" and "racial nationalism" (because, to put all my cards on the table, I'm not entirely sure what the correct terminology might be). Statist nationalism is the idea that the nation is the most important aspect of life, as opposed to international, local, social, or other affairs. While you would think that would lend itself to non-interventionist foreign policy - and, to be fair, it sometimes does: see USA, 1890s through 1940s - it usually manifests alongside irredentist movements, like early 20th-century German nationalism, which included the idea that being German was the most important aspect of a German citizen, over things like being European, being from Berlin, or being working-class, but also led people to advocate for German domination over Europe and eventually the world. Racial nationalism, which often (but not always) forms part of statist nationalist ideology, is the idea that a nation should be led by and tolerant of only a single race to the exclusion of all others. An obvious example is white nationalism, which of course was another major tenet of German nationalism, especially by the time of Nazi rule - but it also has factions across the world and across history, especially in places populated almost entirely by just two racial groups. An example would be Israel, which almost exclusively includes Arab and Jewish citizens (though of course there are other diasporic populations, including white, south Asian, and African people). Zionism is a mixed ideology, like German nationalism, that includes both statist and racial nationalism: roughly holding that Israel should be an entirely Jewish nation, and its people should fight for the strength of the Israeli state rather than the strength of a social group or city or pretty much anything else (except religion - never expect power-hungry radical groups to be ideologically consistent if it would hamper their other goals). Just remember that Trump is espousing state nationalism when he calls to bring jobs back and to fight for American ideals, and Steven Crowder is espousing white nationalism when he asserts that diversity breeds disunity and POC are naturally more likely to be criminals. (*A*S*T*E*R*I*S*K* I'm not saying that either of them don't also propel the other's ideas; they most certainly do. Like I said, the two ideologies often go hand-in-hand.)
I think the terms you're looking for are ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism, which date back to the emergence of nationalism in napoleon France. Civic nationalism is a common identity based on similar socio political values in a nation whilst ethnic nationalism revolves around an idea of common linguistic/cultural/religious identity and even in its inception it was manufactured and largely false requiring the destruction of many language groups within France by way of a standardization of the French school system.
Lol releasing this on passover is a nice touch You got style stepback. You got style. =)
herzel, the founder of zionism did actually take into account the people living there, one of the main characters in his manifesto is Reshid Bey, an arab engineer from haifa, in the book all the non jews have equal rights to the jews and in fact one of the main plots of the story is that a fanatical rabbi attempts to take away rights from non jews, which of course makes sense since the biggest opponent zionism had wasn't arabs, it was the reactionary haredi movement, zionism was a more socialist movement at heart after all.
herzel somehow managed to perfectly predict some of the most crucial political problems modern israel faces, those being the hyper religious communities refusing to cooperate.
A few things:
First of all, jewish history in Israel goes way before the 2nd century ce. You completely ignored the three Israeli kindoms that existed before the jewish revolt against the romans.
In fact, all the independent states in the land of israel were jewish, and modern day Israel is the fourth one.
2. The origin of the name Palestine - the Romans renamed most of the land of Israel after the traditional Israelite enemy, the Philistines, as an insult to the Jews who had unsuccessfully rebelled in the early 2nd century CE. The meaning of the word Philistines in hebrew is invaders. So essentially, the Palestinians are literally calling themselves invaders.
3. The beggining of the conflict - in the video, you describe the conflict as if both sides just started fighting. well, here are the facts:
The first jew to be murder by an Arab terror was mursered in 1851 (Shlomo Zalman Zoref).
Here is a list of some of the arab attacks on jewish communities:
1920 Nebi Musa riots
1921 Jaffa riots
1929 Arab riots
1929 Hebron massacre
and many more.
4. You regard the arabs as being the indigenous population of the area. But were they? Looking at the family trees of the major arab clans in the area - you learn that they migrated from areas in present day Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and other arab countries (the zoabi clan for example migratef from Egypt). So - arab immigration is all fine and dandy - but jewish one is not
The Unknown that is NOT TRUE. As I mentioned in the previous comment, the "palestinians" are arabs that immigrated from surrounding arab areas in the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century.
Baruch HaShem
@@EyalGolan96 no. Palestine goes back to ancient Greece. Nit roman times
@@seasalt489 no, they don't.
do you have any proof to support your claim?
@@EyalGolan96 is there any proof of your hasvara propaganda?
It's worth adding that there were a lot of Jewish communities in the arab countries, some dating back over a thousand years, like in the cases of Iraq and Iran. Many of these communities faced growing persecution as tensions with Israel rose, and either fled or were later airlifted in Israel's famous Solomon and Magic Carpet missions (and others besides). There were more displaced Arab Jews than even Palestinians in 1948. Israel's adoption of many arabic cultural norms, foods, music, etc, stemmed from their fascination with their arabic Jewish brethren, particularly those of yemeni heritage. These arab Jews were known as Mizrahi, and played as vital a role in Israel's evolution as any European groups.
I'd also like to add that there were multiple, small settling attempts over the centuries as Jews returned to Israel in small groups, in some cases even with the blessing of the Turkish Sultan. The staying power of these communities doesn't seem to have really lasted, but Jews returning was not just a 19th century phenomenon. For those wondering why the memory of return remained so present, Passover literally ends with the saying "next year in Jerusalem."
all three pray on different days, why can't the dome on the rock be a mosque on Fridays, a synagogue on Saturdays, and a christian church on Sundays?
Interesting idea, but it's not inline with all those religions. They don't all just pray once a week, but Islam prays 5 times a day everyday, and Judaism prays 3 times a day everyday.
Further, If we assume all religions play nice we still have some problems:
Judaism - the temple is not just another synagogue nor could it even be reduced to such under Jewish religious law. It is THE holy site in Judaism and has to be used a specific way at all times. Having the temple be used under Jewish law and then give it away to other groups that don't follow the law is antithetical to what the temple is for. It'd be better if the temple mount isn't under Jewish control at all. There's also the issue of not using it until the time of the messiah.
Islam - I don't think they have explicit religious laws against it, but they're incredibly restrictive about who goes up there. I don't think Islam is ok with dhimmi religions using their mosques since those religions are incorrect according to them.
Christianity - You still have the issue of supposedly "incorrect" religions praying there, but they don't really put any significant claim to controlling it.
There are a few other issues about specific things those religions reject about each other that I don't feel like going into.
It's important to note that most Jews do not want control of the temple mount (until the messiah at least), but at most just want the right for individuals to go up there and pray if they so choose. This is controversial still under Jewish religious law, but is less extreme then making it a synagogue on Saturdays.
Tl;Dr: Islam and Christianity likely wouldn't agree to it even in a more accepting world and Judaism can't agree to it and would rather just not have it.
SB is a very good presentation giving a complete and comprehensive real events of the past ,very good
You kind of omitted planned and systematic ethnic cleansing of Arabs. That's like omitting holocaust when talking about WWII
"why does israel exist?" Stalin made an oopsie
I take issue with one thing you said early on. You basically implied that the jewish people are essentially a race of people that were expelled from israel and are now returning to their mother land. This is not well supported. In fact it's contradicted by the fact that European jews are... white. Judaism is a religion, it's not a race, anyone can be jewish, and there are Black jews and even Indian jews. Being a religion and not a race, there is no homeland of the jews anymore than there's a homeland for christians. People converted to judaism and the religion spread as any religion does.
seeing the star of David i thought you were going to be biased towards Israel, but I was wrong.
thank you for your objectiveness.
great video, keep it up.
rami shwee. Like I said convert.
As a person from a somewhat British background I'd instinctively pronounce "Balfour" as "BAL-for", not "bal-FOUR" as you're doing. Then again, you're the history nerd - maybe I'm wrong.
no mentions of the isreali gang massacres on palestinian villages or the isreali ethnic cleansing in general huh?
This is actually fair and unbiased to both sides! wow
"Fair" and "Balanced" are slightly different. I agree this was balanced, but not quite that it was fair.
Mohammad Al Adham But moot like always an Arab got it wrong.
the fuck you on about
19th century nationalism was about what do we share in common that unite us. Hence black nationalism, native nationalism, German and italian naitonalism. 20th century nationalism was about purity tests and expluding people who weren't enough like us, aka fascism. Just like with Liberia, westernized Jews and African slaves viewed themselves as culturally superior to the people now living in the areas they were relocated to and tried to enforce their western ideas on them and treated them as inferior.
Stumbled on you channel, and am really happy I did! Thank you for the content!
This tries so much to be fair, that it actually ends up really misleading: you confuse fairness with balanced. You make it seems that both sides were as violent, both were as anti peace and do on.. while in reality jews agreed to all the agreements and initialed all of those meeting and negotiations. And you full out lying about the Palestinians, cause they only started calling themselves Palestinians in the 60s. And you sadly fail to mention that in the 19th century the population of that land was less then few hundred thousand people, Jerusalem was the biggest city and had around 30,000 people in it. Today on that land theres israel, jordan and the Palestinian Territories and the population is roughly 20 million people. So to portray it like the land was full of people is to say the least misleading.
YES. I can appreciate trying to be balanced, and I definitely found this a relief after a LOT of completely and utterly idiotic Palestinian propaganda videos, but the way you present it is misleading.
no, Matan took what this video said and just corrected the misleading "facts" the man had to say.
to say they are natives, is absord. arabs are not native to the middle east. they are conquers from the 7 century.
Matan Omer he actually said the population was 60,000 in palestine in 19th century
TheRahimpur it's actually more absurd to call the Levantines conquerors from the 7th century, since in the 7th century the only thing that reached the Levant is the language and the religion (Islam) the grammar of modern-day Levantine arabic dialect is the grammar of Aramaic and the vocabulary is made up of 1 third Aramaic (with a little from some other semitic languages) and 2 thirds arabic. Dna and Haplogroup studies proof that Lebanese, Syrians, and Palestinians descend from ancient natives (Canaanites) since all conquerors throughout the history failed to get rid of the Canaanites identity except the Assyrians, who included them into their empire and forced a language onto them, similar to Arabization. Calling Levantine people descendants of Bedouins is completely absurd due to the fact that: Only very sourthern Levantines could share some very slight similarities with bedouins due to close geographical locations, and studies on both cultures proof to have no connection and belong to different roots (Bedouin has roots from Yemeni), they are less brown in color and have different natural looks with different voice tones that can be noticed. Arabian nationalism never existed outside the bedouin world until the early 20th century, which the father of Faisal, the leader mentioned in the video, started convincing all arab-speaking nations under ottoman rule to gang up under the name of arab nationalism which derives from language and not from blood, all semetic ethnicities except Jewish used to identify by language historically and not by blood, including bedouins as well, since they had no problem historicly to adopt new people into their tribes and culture.
You are also ignoring the San Remo conference which established a Jewish state in not only what is today Israel but also Jordan. It was ratified by treaty, became international law and is part of the UN Charter... ignored for expediency by the general assembly which illegally voted for partition of western "Palestine"
CORRECTIONS:
Isreal came into existence due to a series of mistakes and bad choices, not out of an organized venture as many believe.
1. the Romans didn't kick the Jews out of Palestine as many believe. The Romans did burn the Tempel in Jerusalem, in 70 AD, they did quell a Judean rebellion in the second century the last big Judean rebellion, but any student of Jewish history would be familiar with the history of Jewish groups in Israel that continued to exist in Israel all the way to the Islamic conquests and beyond. (read about the Tannaim, Amoraim, Savoraim). the Jews did spread all along the Roman and Parthian empires, but they weren't the only people in these empires to do so, they are the only group to retain their pre-Christan faith, that why they are so unique.
Additionally, From the moment Alexsander, the great conquered the Levant, the Jews of Judea were split between the Hellenic Jews and the traditionalist Jews, It is very likely that Today Palestinians are descendants of Hellenistic and romanized jews that eventually converted to Christianity and to Islam.
2. Traditional Jewish faith held the belief that the jews will return to Palestine only after the end of days, they maintained the belief that Jews live in exile because that's God's will,
that is why religious Jews were opposed to Zionism.
3. Zionism was born from a failure to assimilate, in the 19th century there was a Jewish movement of intellectualism, appropriately called the Jewish enlightenment, a rebellion against traditional religious Jewish society, they wanted to assimilate, study philosophy and science and stop living in their closed isolated communities.
Zionism came out of this secular enlightenment movement, it was a reaction to the Eastern European Jews inability to assimilate and get out of the ghettos.
the thought process goes as such, assimilated Jews in western Europe, such as Lord Balfour, would finance the relocation of Jews who wanted to get out of the traditional Jewish ghettos in the east but couldn't do it in the east because of the antisemitic attitudes of the eastern Europeans, these Jews would create a new modern secular enlighted society in Palestine, based on agriculture. they didn't yet imagine they can create a nation-state in Palestine. in the 19th century, there were many different European enclaves in the holy land, the Ottomans actually encourage Europeans to buy land in Palestine and create communities there. that's why there were a German, American, Colonies in Jerusalem and Haifa, initially, the plan was to be just another one of these communities.
4. It is true that intellectual discussion about creating a nation-state in Palestine began with the Zionist organization, but initially, they weren't even set on having this nation-state in Palestine. basically, they did a lot of grandstanding and talking, but the actual movement to Palestine was done regardless of the actions of this organization.
the reality was that Jewish communities collected funds in their communities to send their young to move to Israel to live in lands that ottoman Turks owned( no one cared they had Palestinian tenants) the world Zionist was really irrelevant.
5. Rosh Pinna wasn't created by Zionist European Jews, but by Palestinian Jews (Old Yishuv) from the Jewish city of Safed, it wasn't a Zionist settlement founded by Jewish settlers from Europe. the first Zionist settlement in Palestine is Rishon LeZion. they are a little different then the Zionist settlers, there was always a small Jewish presence in Palestine, they lived peacefully with the Muslims and the Christians for centuries.
6. It was only after WWI, after the British conquered Palestine, that zionists started to get serious about the settlement of Palestinian, with the rise of Chaim Weizmann and what he called practical Zionism, instead of just talking with leaders hoping they would grant them a piece of land in Australia, Africa or Siberia (these were real consideration to making a Jewish state in one of these locations) they believed in active settlement of Palestine, that when Zionism really started to kick in. before that, I'd say Zionists didn't have any intention to dispossess the Palestinians, they just wanted to reimagine themselves. but with this development, The dispossession of Palestinians wasn't just an unintended byproduct anymore, it became a conscious and deliberate action.
Funnily enough, it was two assimilated Jews who got the zionist movement running, Theodore Herzl and Alfred Dreyfus. Herzl was completely assimilated into the German-speaking upper classes of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, while Dreyfus was completely assimilated into French culture and society. However, it was the antisemitism that Herzl saw at the Dreyfus trial that truly turned him onto the idea of zionism.
You do know that the biggest religues community in Israel are called the religues zionists right? And that haredis are not in one position about zionism. Saying that"religues jews are against zionism" is a bit of a strech
I didn't say religious Jews ARE against Zionism, I said they WERE against Zionism!
Itamar Herman, religious Zionism is a later invention. it only started with Rebai Cooke in the Second Aliyah, and even then the majority of Zionists were secular nationalists or secular socialists. religious zionists didn't change the fact Zionism was a secular Ideology not motivated by religion but by nationalism, a secular ideology that some religious Jews adopted. Kook was if not the first among the first Religious Jews to advocate Zionism, but at the time most religious Jews didn't support Zionism and immigration to Palestine.
Today's Zionism isn't really Zionism anymore, it's either Israeli nationalism in the case of native Israelis or a religiously motivated belief in the case of Jews in the diaspora.
originally Zionism was about Jews reinventing themselves, the Jewish nation-state was rather more the Means to the end, and not the end itself.
with that measure, we can judge the success and failure of Zionism, have we reinvented ourselves, or did we just move the ghetto from the pale of settlement in Russia to a a pale of settlements in Palestine. that is why talking about Zionism today and not in historical context is rather meaningless.
Appreciate the detailed info presented here. I also believed that the modern Palestinians were descendants of ancient Jews that stayed in the area, so interesting to see that brought up. Also, I've read that many Jews were lead as captives into Europe by Romans, is that true? And lastly, there is still a segment of orthodox religious Jews that reject Zionism and a Jewish state because of their exile, which they believe was imposed by God (as you mentioned). I know they are probably a minority.
Thank you Anton.
I don't know for sure, but I assume that some Jews found themselves as captives, what Romans did after they subjugated people who rebelled.
slaves were part of the spoils of war, and that's one of the risks you take when you rebel.
Unlike what we know from the American chattel slavery in Roman slavery slaves and descendants of slaves could earn their freedom.
another thing the Romans used to do, they took the children of the local aristocracy, educated them and romanized them, even enlisted them in the army.
When they come back they will share their Roman 'education' with the occupied population and make them easier to rule.
I don't know for a fact that the Palestinians are descendants of Jews, but it seems improbable they aren't partially descendent of Jews.
As for Jewish attitude toward Zionism today, that's very complicated, but very few Jews are Anti-Zionists today, not as they were in the early days of Zionism.
basically, the holocaust changed everything. Today, most religious Jews are Zionists, some Haredi-Jews in Israel still oppose Zionist ideology because it's secular, but they aren't against Israel's existence...It already exists, might as well make it more religious.
fear Zionism would have a secularizing influence is the reason Haredi Jews refuse military service.
Neturei Karta is a group of Haredi-Jews who are very opposed to Zionism and Israel, but their position is considered extreme in the eyes of most religious Jews and represent a tiny minority of the Orthodox Jewish community.
no mention of the King David Hotel, wow.
Only if he mentions the Hebron Massacare too :D
He did mention it, he just presented it as a random bombing of a civilian hotel and not of a military HQ inside the hotel that received a warning call by the bombers before the bomb was set which the British officers openly dismissed and refused to evacuate the hotel.
Liked, subscribed, and bell "rung."
fun fact: the Sykes-picot agreement was revealed by lenin
huh, how did he do that?
@@headsworthtg3585 it is known as the lenin great reveal of 19 aught
Intriguing video
The transitions between on screen talking and archival images was... awkward.
10:55 what do you mean neither side liked it?!??! Jews completely accepted that agreement, it was only the Arabs that hated that proposition and declined it again and again, SO MANY TIMES
they wouldn't have been dislocated as we all know that Israel gave all the arabs that stayed full citizenship
they declined the offer because they were made to hate Jews and even more the Jewish state
Ryder Wilson it’s THEIR LAND. i’m anti zionist and i don’t hate jews.
I love your video man. Saying it like it is. I did notice that you glossed over the nakba between 47 and 48 - are you planning on talking about it later?
Surprised that the like to dislike ratio isnt nearly as bad as I thought...
I guess these need an updated video
So basically no one is the good guy out of this messed up situation. Yay...
That's history for you :P
That's basically what I got out of it too, lol
Yay, blame the Muslims for all the worlds wrongdoings. Classic. Just like people who blame the Jews for everything... You're no better than them anti Semitics All I know is I really like Kosher and halal food. Now let's all sit down for a meal, enjoy each others company, talk it out and make world peace, ok? Sound legit?
Daniel Chapman Wrong
Alice Dexter True
Long story short, nationalism, not so good.
But, World War 2 wasn't about nationalism. It was about Irredentism and Ethnic tension/supremacy, which are both horrible philosophies in general. Nationalism brought an end to Empires. This was both a good and bad thing because it meant that people would be able to govern their own land independently, but they were often set up in artificial nation states by their former owners and didn't have the significant resources, education, or ethnic/religious/cultural similarities to keep their countries stable. In general, nationalism can be good or bad depending on the situation.
no naotinalism is always bad ALWAYS.
OrangeDude Only to a point.
Of course. When Nationalism turns into supremacy, then it's a problem.
Wow I've gone trough the comment section and haven't found anything controversial! Well done on being unbiased!
M DC well, three weeks ago it was ok but now not so much
How do I block this
This topic is so complicated, that my 12th Grade World History class spent half of a semester on it. (True story)
Actually, any proposal that allowed Jews to have a home was widely supported, and people danced in the streets- not sure why you say people didn't like it.
Also, props for keeping anti-semitism out of your comment section!!!
10:05
A little correction here.
The ottoman Empire didn't join the war because of the defensive pact with Germany. It didn't want to join the war at all, since Russian Empire was kind of eager to swipe some more land off of the Ottomans and secure access to middeterranian sea. And the last time Russia attempted to do this, the Ottomans had to rely on English and French intervention to bring Russia down a peg. So now with Russia, England and France being allies in the war, the Ottoman Empire clearly could see the writing on the wall and did its best to avoid getting involved in the war.
Unfortunately for them, they han a nival exercise scheduled for their officers to learn from German officers. And the German admiral commanding the exercise had a bright idea to order the ottoman ships to fire upon British ships that happened to be nearby.
And that is how despite its best efforts, the Ottoman empire got dragged into the WWI
Sorry but the Israelites fled East Africa ( so called middle East) into Africa. " They left black and came back white' Nasser
And a vid on Cambridge analytica too(perhaps on the History of privacy rights and internet services, whatever you think up, thanks!).
Sounds like you've had too much Soviet sauce "Nationalism sux". Unified solutions to world problems tend not to work. I guess historians tend to disagree.
You are taking about Lebensraum philosophy.
Religion making tense situations even better..... Yay.
The Unknown kay. Sure there are. But religion also doesn't help. My point still stands religion sucks.
The pronunciation is pretty cringy (except Chaim you're like the only foreigner to ever pronounce it correctly)
Shpilbass how is it pronounced?
What, Chaim? Just like Tristan pronounced it
@@SunflowerSocialist pronounced Yiddish hard H noise, ayim. Such as in l’chaim.
#FreeGaza
#FromHamas
free israel,ur home is arabia
Yea, Free Gaza from Hamas!
What defence pact with Germany?!?
Old old video, BUT you say that the Ottoman Empire ruled the "land", then you change the "land" to "Palestine", but there is no such thing as "Palestine" since the Roman Empire named "Judea" "Palestina" to throw away the Jews, but it's a LOOOONG time before nationalism was a thing, so the area was tossed (or concurred) by Empires, not states and certainly not "Palestine" that was adopted by the British Empire, it meant nothing, but a part of it, not a nation, not a state. Israel, however became a nation state, by order of the new U.N.
Good video. Thanks!
Long story short for the Arab-Israeli animosity goes back literally thousands of years when with the births of Ishmael born to the housemaid and Isaac born to the wife. Ishmael fathered 12 sons all of whom God identified as wild men, men without self control or natural ambition. The son born of the with was favored and identified as the only son, which naturally did not set well with the illegitimate son. Hence, hatred was engendered. Following right along, the legal son Isaac has twin sons, one of which obtains his father's inheritance as promised before their births. These two sons are Esau, modern day descendants located in the middle east who still have an axe to grind against his brother, Israel, even after thousands of years of conflict and bloodshed. Speaking about various conflicts and battles with no regard to the long history is only like reading one chapter out of a book of a 100,000 chapters. You must realize a two to three hundred year synopses will never encompass the basis of the very long and brutal story. The next few years will bring the world to the brink of annihilation as all the descendants of Abraham race bvb toward armageddon. Make no mistake. Armed Megiddo is a very real, brutal, and final battlefield where all the descendants of Abraham and their nation states will duke it out. Not with fists or swords or cannon but with horrific weapons of mass destruction, such as the US's "mother of all bombs" (MOAB) and Russia's much more powerful weapon, the "DEVIL". When the world conflict reaches that finale, the whole world will be battle scarred and wrecked. The conflict of thousands of years will not end until the King of Kings brings down the final curtain.
Ooooooooh Boy Brace yourself for some flame wars in the comments.
What is the different between Khazar Jews and Semitic Jews?
One of them is a myth, having no evidence that links to the Ashkenazi Jews.
A step back subreddit would, I hope, be a place for primarily historical discussion and discussion on modern issues in historical context.
This is a really good idea!
Not about this!
Around minute 12 you keep saying 'Jewish' and I think sometimes you mean 'Arab', because the sentence doesn't make much sense.
You are doing some fine work here- it's much appreciated. I went to the Patreon site to support your work. Dude, the site is a mess- I can't donate....maybe you should have a look.
What was the problem you had?
I found this a fantastic video, one which provided a truly fair examination of both sides of the conflict and gave an important reminder of why extreme nationalism is a hindrance to world peace.
11:48 Palestinian - Nazi joint military operation......did _Ludwig von Arabia_ act as the liaison between the Arabs and the Germans in their fight against the British?
1:45 also in a great number in the southern coast malabar regions in India.
*Wow that title though*
BTW, Palestinians are not Ethnic Arabs, they are Arab speaking, the Ottoman tried in the late 19th century to replace Arabic language in Palestine, Syria with the Turkish Language, but WW1 stopped that project, if the Ottoman succeeded, would we be now calling the Palestinians “Turkish”???
tristan ,is one of your stretch goals to make collaboration video with pragerU, armored skeptic, and Louder with crowder? lol
It's just me watching their videos and yelling incoherently
Step Back History I have a friend that's been watching a lot of there videos. How do I refute their claims?
This has not much to do with the vid, but do you think you could make a vid on John Bolton? Never hurts to have more info out there talking about warmongers.
Mosque in Jerusalem 1300 years old------- Western Wall 3500 years old ,-------- whos occupieing who ???
🙄 the Muslims didn’t destroy the wall the romans did hence it doesn’t give the right for Jews to build a temple which they will never do
Wow I am getting some super hot takes as advertisements on these videos.
I was once considering calling Quick Step "Cold Takes"
Oh shit this will be controversial
Sir Jaojao Only to idiots.
a prophet is not without honor except in his own country
Wonder if he made a video on the more resion one
10:14 _"Knight Rider. A shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist. __-Michael-__ Muhammad Knight (pbuh): a young loner on a __-crusade-__ jihad to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the 'Sharia' law."_
thanks!
Once again you oversimplify nationalism as solely ethnic based. Yes, ethnonationalism is all exclusionary. Nationalism is not negated to solely one end of the political spectrum.
I can't find second part
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You know what! I have a plan to foster diplomatic ties between the Arab, Israeli, Persian, and Pakistani and Afghan nations: EDM--yes that seems to be the one common feature that superpasses religion, langaues, and politics. Also Eurovision, a chicken song?!! Really?!! But back to EDM, the international community could foster some type peace concert for the youth of nations like Palestine, Israel, Iran, Qatar, Pakastin etc...and since EDM is foreign to the region, there can be no claims of cultural appropriation unlike with hums or falafels!
It's sad that you are not aware of the fact that the original British Mandate for Palestine granted by League of Nations in 1920 included both *sides of Jordan*
www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm
March 1, 1920 to November 9, 1937 there were endless of massacres committed on Jews by Arabs, without Jews even fighting back,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine
Have you considered working for CNN? They also don't like deep history 5 min narratives
The Peel_Commission 1937 was accepted by Zionist org. and refused by Arabs.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission#The_Jewish_reaction
Lehi (125 fighters ) 1940 wanted to fight the British during World War II. Lehi initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy.
Hagana, Palmach, and Irgun were 98.9% of forces yet and Lehi were 1.1 % yet You say that both sides were playing tipsy with the Nazis.
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem with Hitler
www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/
The Haggana (95% of future IDF) Fought for British in WWII against the Nazi under the name the Jewish_Brigade in spite the British didn't let Jews fleeing Europe shelter in future Israel.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Brigade
Sorry but you post videos of unboxing.
It is said that today Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and it should be protected; it is the “government of law.”
not only it is not the government of law; it is the only regime that no law defines its territory and boundaries. All the countries of the world have a constitution which defines their boundaries, but no such thing applies to Israel. Israel is an expansionist project which knows no boundary, and its law is completely racist; according to this law Israel is the country for Jews, and its non-Jew citizens are not considered human. Such law is a contradiction to democracy.
free from the ottoman controll is key point this smart arabs celebrete british invasion with their brit brothers and 20 000 turkish soldier died in filistin(we call) now they can enjoy their life with israili jews lol
I use your reddit sub! I often feel I'm the only one!
We must find something to do with it!
The whole thing around the Temple Mount is such a mess…
Jews are prohibited to even walk the site… I mean if that’s not systemic antisemitism, I don’t know what is.
I as an Atheist would say that under the terms of religious freedom, Jews should have the right to walk the Temple Mount. Not just because it’s a holy site to them, but also because there’s at least archaeological evidence, for the temple once standing there and the basis for the holiness isn‘t (just) a fairytale. (C‘mon there’s no fucking way Mohammed flew to heaven…)
That aside: I‘d actually be mad as hell if somebody really tried to replace the magnificent piece of architecture that is the Dome of the Rock, with an Ark-Encounter-like goofy recreation of a temple…
Why are you blamingactions of individuals on a vague concept of nationalism, not only that, you use that as an excuse for "provoked" violence. "Evil spirit of nationalism" didn't cause Israel to exist, it was each individual's values and beliefs in an importance of a homeland in a hostile world. Who are you to derride them and deny them such possibility?
Is this the guy that stole woody in toy story 2?
Palestinians are not Ethnic Arabs, they are Arab speaking, it is an important distinction that allow you to understand the relation between Palestinians and the rest of the Arab countries, in this video at 5:34 says that “Arabs” supported Britain in WW1 outlined in the (McMahon-Hussein Correspondence),which led “Arabs” to attack the Ottoman empire in Palestine and Syria… the “Arabs” here are not Palestinians, they are ethnic Arabs from the Arabian peninsula ( Saudi Arabia) , those Bedouin tribes have no connection to Palestine, and they were brought by the British to help occupy Palestine from the Ottoman, the Palestinians fought against the British and their “Mercenaries” the Ethic Arabs Not because they wanted to stay under the Ottomans, but because the Palestinians knew that the British plan is to remove the Palestinians from their land, the Bedouin tribes were promised to Rule Syria, Iraq and a slice of Palestine East of River Jordan to make a new country called Jordan, the Bedouin kings where kicked off Syria and Iraq, but still to this day keeping to rule the new country Jordan.
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