Things we hate about Star Trek! From sh*t merch to velvet vests!!!
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- čas přidán 13. 03. 2024
- This is a very different Shuttlebay 4, it's time to get ANGRY!!!
We talk about the things we hate about our beloved Star Trek.
[NOTE: some folk confused us in the past - we're not The Shuttlepod Show, our names aren't even that similar - we're nowhere near as professional or slick! We're a completely amateur Star Trek podcast - we're Shuttlebay 4!]
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I had the chance to meet two of the actors when I was a young kid, Marina Sirtis and Leonard Nimoy, and they were both the most generous and kind individuals that an awkward star-struck 11/12 year old kid could ever have the pleasure of meeting. The one who was reportedly the single best actor to his fans was James Doohan. Reportedly, he remembered everyone and asked about their families and really, truly gave a shit. Just an amazing human being. Don't forget that he was also a D-Day Veteran who had the ring finger on his right hand shot off on Omaha Beach. Absolute gem of a man.
It's great that you had such an amazing experience . And yes, I've heard similar things about James Doohan and how much he cared for this fans, it's a shame I'll never get to meet him.
@@Shuttlebay4 it's kind of strange when a person grows up in somewhat special circumstances and amazing ass shit happens, but then that person grows up and realizes that life isn't just like that all of the time and not everyone got to grow up with their own version of that. It's a weird, WEIRD thing but I remember the exact day when I figured out that the universe wasn't going to just reward me for how awesome I thought I was and that at some point I was going to be worth a shit if I wanted anything nearly as fun as five minutes of my childhood to happen ever again. LOL everything is a two edged sword. But as far as Doohan is concerned, not only was he an absolute gem of a human being who remembered everyone's names and their kid's names and genuinely gave a shit about the key grip and the lighting tech etc etc, but he was so humble about the life he lived as an actual WWII hero AND a cultural icon who inspired generations of engineers to aim for the stars and be happy with wherever it is they end up hitting. I literally don't have powerful enough words with which to concisely communicate just how wonderful I think that Doohan was. I got my degree in political science and worked with politicians for a bit, every one of them a complete antithesis to Doohan and what he stood for. But it was really and truly Star Trek and knowing that some awesome people are in fact GOOD people also that helped me keep my head on straight in that world populated with a handful of variations of the same complete asshole, just in a different suit with a different accent.
- Detached warp nacelles in Discovery.
- No explanation of the whale probe from ST4.
- Most plots of STD being over the top, universe ending
- Honestly, most of STD
My favorite thing about Trek, however, is the easiest thing of all to identify: The "Trekkies" documentaries. =)
"These Are The Voyages" was a big let down to so many fans. It would have been better to have Archer hand over command tom a lower ranked, maybe LCdr, Robert April, who has canonicaly been placed as the first Captain of the Enterprise, NCC1701.
Yeah it was a slap in a face to the fans
I think you might be from an alternate universe, there is no Star Trek episode titled These Are the Voyages. So welcome to this new reality where Jonathan Frakes was never in an episode of Enterprise
@@harrypothead42024 "I Want To Believe!"
(Intro music)
Exploding consoles. Are they genuinely not advanced enough by the 2380s to not have consoles that shunt energy surges away from themselves in the event of an emergency? We have surge protectors today. They don't?
Star Quack is not so bad. The likenesses on the ducks is pretty damn good. Instantly recognizable.
"I'm a duck, not a brain sturgeon! "
I don't know what it is about the ducks, I think Uhura looks pretty good to be honest, but a lot of the others just creep me out.
Is the opening theme to Enterprise just a given, then? 😆
You need faith, faith of the heart!
Thing that always drove me nuts about TNG was the main power seems to go offline really fast and then the second the plot is resolved main power kicks back on.
The Mirror Universe is the biggest case of setting aside your sense of disbelief just for the sake of having fun with it. This is a fine thing do in a rather long running syndicated TV show, but when you have it as a major pivotal plot element in your dozen or so episode per season prestige TV streaming show, that's when it's just absolute SHIT.
I hate that commentary on CZcams and even at least one DS9 exec that I will not name express Cassidy living happily ever after with The Sisko. Impossible. The Sarah which he is also physically and spiritually a part of responsibe for bringing him into very being tells him to his face ' "Everything will be exactly as it should be". "Cassidy is NOT for you to have" "Accept your FATE" Spoken for good reasons by the Divine whos authority Cassidy rejects. One instance she used female charms to do the same thing the bad vision sent to him did to oppose the work of Sarah also urge him and persuade him to turn away from his purpose and calling in the Bajorin faith. Never has disobedience to the Divine ever resulted in a happily ever after. DS9 is such a gem. Seasons 1-7 (all)
The Kazon's hair was originally considered an emergency food ration, and this was evident to all until they changed their species name to Kazon from Kalezon.
I love this. :-D
Firstly - I love Star Trek. And Trekkies.
But, it’s not all the way perfect. It’s interesting to hear different perspectives of things that just don’t work or that just bug us in our respective opinions.
Another great video from the crew.
I was always baffled by the DS9 battle sceens, with all the ships packed so close together. If the warp core of one ship goes it would start a chain reaction that would take out the entire fleet... That and everything Bad Robot put out.
That's actually a really good point I'd never considered before! It makes no real sense for the ships to be so close to each other, but I suppose it wouldn't look good on screen if they were spaced out far apart from each other!!
Before watching the video, the thing I hate the most: The captain, the 1st officer, the security officer, the best pilot and chief of engineering will most of the time lead away missions. Can you image Stargate SG-1 but it's a more fit general Amond leading missions Pff lol. In the future of Star Trek, space ships will often have hundred(s) of crew personnel inside a ship, but no team(s) of specialized officers or crew members are trained for away missions, diplomatic missions, trade, etc, everything is done by the very top members of the chain of command. Then again, the mortality rate of accompanying crew member is so high, i guess its only normal that no one train to be a lowly peon that leaves the ship.
Ha ha!! I'm surprised none of use mentioned that - though I suppose it's more of a bafflement that something we hate. I suppose it does make the episodes more interesting when you have senior staff beaming down to hostile environments, but yeah - it makes no sense!
Been fun listening to you all and as a person that never found a Star Trek I couldn't like, I laughed to a lot of these points.
Cheers! I hope it comes across that we LOVE Star Trek!!! Glad it gave you a laugh!!!
I pitched a later script that would have started with Trip complaining to Archer about a terrible holonovel that killed him. Archer comments that people would never actually BELIEVE that. Trip responds that they know some of acknowledged history from the wars is wrong, whats to say this won't be considered history a hundred years from now?
I nearly sold it based on that scene alone.
Good edit there Dan! You kept some of the spice out without loosing the points, that must have taken some time!
And yes when I say Paramount I mean CBS as they now have overall control :) however as far as I know it's the same people at paramount are still the ones making the crap decisions as were making them 15years ago.
Also if anyone wants to resurrect Star trek bridge commander or elite force 2 there's thousands of Trekkies my age that would pay half a years wages for it!! (If it's as good)
"Spice" - I like it!
I hate how Starfleet leave their civilians in the hands of the enemy in the first sign of trouble. How they put civilians at risk by putting families on starships. How they are willing to just hand over member world territories and colonies just to avoid a fight. I hate Starfleet telling colonists to pack their bags and leave due to a treaty that was signed without their consensus and tell em to forget about it and go on with their lives as nothing has happened. I hate Starfleet for telling victims and veterans of wars started by aggressive species to forget about their pain and suffering because it was all a big misunderstanding or a peace treaty was signed. With no consequences at all. Rant over hah
Every one has the right to like or dislike any TV show. The diversity of opinions, IMHO, is one of the things that Gee Roddenberry was aiming for in not only Star Teck, but ALL his TV productions.
Agreed. And Star Trek is so fondly regarded by fans that it can become quite a crucible of opinions.
Can I just say anything Star Trek that came out after 2005 or is that too easy? Some of the Kelvin movies were watchable though
Star Fleet is first and foremost an vessel of exploration and diplomacy. It is not diplomatic to go in guns blazing in a touchy situation.
That's how I've always viewed it too (Dan here from the video). There's a pride in Star Fleet around being diplomats first-and-foremost.
Sometimes you need a big stick in diplomacy. Starfleet was poor at diplomacy. So many conflicts started because of hesitation, and no moral backbone.
@@AP-qs2zfThe first part of that quote is, "speak softly."
"Speak softly but CARRY a big stick."
Don't go in with it first, don't even use it if you can help it. Just carry it, so people know you have it.
To use it is a failure.
Most of NuTrek.
Great job all 🖖
Nohhhhh!!! Keep the "Mirror Unverse" DUMP The Kelvin TimeLine
Can we compromise and dump both?!
I love Trek and have a unique perspective; my father worked for Paramount and I had access to the sets and I was a producer of a Sci-Fi Channel show and was able to meet many of the actors and producers of various Star Trek shows.
What I don’t like about Trek is nitpicking. I don’t care for time travel episodes generally because if the past can be changed to impact the future, where does that end? It wouldn’t and basically everything would turn into temporal wars. Also, how half of time travel episodes wind up in Los Angeles in the late 20th Century or early 21st Century is a bit lazy but whatever. I get the appeal of using time travel as a plot device but I could do without it.
The other thing I don’t like about Trek is how naive Starfleet can be on missions or during first contacts and even when encountering ships of species they have met before. They either let some weird virus or entity infiltrate them or they get played by an adversary too easily because they were too intent on being friendly. You don’t take off your helmet on a new planet after a few minutes just because your tricorders don’t read anything and you don’t invite every alien onto your ship after two minutes of conversation. Again, I get that it makes for faster and more compelling storytelling but so often it gets frustrating how badly thought out some of the scenarios are within the context of the story, from the perspective of the Starfleet characters. In all fairness to Trek, many other franchises do this as well.
The person in the video who criticized the final episode of “Enterprise”, “These Are The Voyages” just for the record, when the season four episode was made the production crew didn’t know the show would not be renewed for a fifth season and their plans for season five were actually really cool. Berman and Braga only found out of the show’s cancellation after the episode was completed. Had they known, undoubtedly they would’ve wrapped up the story and characters better. Too bad, even with the cancellation Paramount didn’t let them make a two-hour special to conclude the series.
Andre, thanks for the comments - love your insight, it's always great to get a different perspective. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment.
This is me (Dan) typing this - I'm the one who commented on "These Are The Voyages". I probably should have expanded as I have read about what the potential next story arc would have been, it's a real shame as the show was robbed of a great finale.
I will say though that it did give us some really nice shots (in HD and widescreen) of the original Enterprise and the D - so at least we got something out of it!!
And yeah, the landing parties don't seem very careful, I've always wondered why the most senior officers tend to beam down too! Bit risky!
What I don't like (much controversial):
1, The Prime Directive: I agree with Robert Beltran about it, it is a self-righteous fascist bullshit: "we are developed enough to decide what happens to you you less developed species by choosing to do nothing". They reversed Imperialism and got the very same effect at the end. Its genesis in the chapter Dear Doctor of Enterprise is an ode to eugenics (they are hampering the evolution of the other species let's them die) and completely obscene specialty when Phlox say "I am proud of you". By the same principle we would need to let all endangered species to get extinct ("ohh but species are endangered because of what we have done"...does it make a difference, really?). Not sharing tech: Ok. But not helping or making their presence known, why? The civilization is question have no say in that? If they can have a plague eliminated or an asteroid diverted? The rule is so, so dumb that ALL CAPTAINS violated it at some moment.
2. In the Episode The Pegasus of ST-NG: why in the hell you sign a treaty that allows you two mortal enemies to keep a technology that is a clear way for them to destroy you? Treatises never work when they signed with not even forces. History shows that: how many treatises Native Americans saw violated? It is a suicide movement.
3. The civilizations they find are completely uniform in culture, race and costumes all over the native planet or empire: no Vulcans that have emotions (except for a few outcasts in Enterprise and Sybok), no Klingons that are not warriors, Tuvok is a fresh representation showing Vulcans have races too. Almost no Ferengis scientists or Klingons scientists: how such civilizations achieved the level of development to go to the stars, really? it celebrates human diversity but all others species are as diverse as the matches inside a box.
4. The Universal translator is a shortcut very little explained that woks like Harry Potter magic to simplify plots, its shortcomings are little explored on the franchise.
5. The technobabble in Voyager: several plots are solved by particles never before mentioned except at the last 10 minutes with names mostly borrowed from quasi-particles found solid state physics.
6. The retcons: "let's get a never mentioned Spock's wife, it will be cool", "lets get a never mentioned Spock brother, it will work", "ohh it didn't work, lets create a never mentioned too human adopted Spock's sister, it will work".
7. The excessive use of transporters and holodecks failures to create plots: all that tech fails more than Windows! Get creative people.
8. The Gene Roddenberry's no conflict rule: this made the series to seem more self-righous than it already is: no principles are questioned deep enough: the Captain makes a false-morality discourse and they keep being the self-entitled judges of good and evil pretending from time to time to respect the others. This makes the Klingons ever questioning one another more democratic and human than them.
I saw this yesterday but as it was such a big comment I left it to today to read it. Some great points. I agree about the different alien species and how they are often all broadly the same within a species and don't have the variation we have as humans. I think that has a lot to do with building lore and also so that these species have a distinct identity, pehaps to reflect an aspect of ourselves.
The universal translator is a very convenient piece of tech for writing stories, perhaps too convenient at times. The DS9 Episode 'Little Green Men' at least showed us what can happen when it malfunctions which was good, it also dealt with scientist Ferengii (kind of) when we saw that Rom is actually a legitimate genius!
Oh I totally agree with disliking the Prime Directive. I do get that you wouldn't just hand over all your technology willy nilly though. That being said, in STTNG episode Pen Pal, I just don't get that a discussion to save the planet was necessary; you've got the tech to fix the planet, just do it! And they did it without revealing themselves.
seriously! unless you're in battle you should be so quick to fire,
star trek has protocols not to be the first to shoot and it must be in self-defense, also charging weapon of any kind takes time and the saucer shoot rays from an array bank if am not wrong,
seriously all device have latency do something and resetting, just like a submarine loading its torpedos
finnaly fellow treks agree with me that the mirror universe is universally dumb. and speaking of the way the oh so scary terran empire is stuctured. the whole rotten thing should have never got of earth or have colipased upon its first battle with another alien race not be the domanite faction of the mirror universe till our krik tells mirror spoke, being bad is cring and they get their shit kicked in by the allaince. then claw they way back.
this is why ive always maintained that the imperium of man of warhammer is the terran empire done right. yes both a needlessly cruel to the point of comedy, but the terrans chose to to be cruel in the face of all logic and reson. the imperium has to be cruel becouse the universes one logic and reason demands it be so. this is not how humanity wants to live this is what we've being forced to become
I am completely with you, the more I think about it - the more it annoys me!! IT'S JUST DUMB!!!!
I hate the computer generated images on the original TV series. It is supposed to like it does. Ilike the way it was produced.
Dude is totally right about the mirror universe, it's stupid and it sucks.
I agree. There are only 2 enjoyable mirror universe episodes. The TOS one, and the Enterprise two parter.
So this is the nit-picking episode.
Yeah, definitely a nit-picker this one!