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- Kat's very excited to see Wesley again but it seems something's wrong.. Is he lying to the Federation and Captain Picard??
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To thine own self be true. Picard's dressing down of Wesley perfectly encapsulates what it is to be a good Starfleet officer...and human being.🖖
Locarno's self-sacrifice at the end was actually inspiring to me as a kid. It was a surprising show of responsibility from a guy who had done some pretty shady things.
He was ride or die in both directions.
Really? I never respected or looked up to Locarno. He didn't make up for what he did, especially since he was probably getting kicked out anyway.
@@jkhoover no, it doesn't excuse what he did, but at least he made sure that the others didn't get kicked out. He did one right thing at least.
@@jkhoover I didn't respect his decisions or character, but I believe Nick genuinely believed in that ideal: that his squadron's loyalty to each other superseded even their ideals as Starfleet cadets.
As the writers discussed, there was genuine disagreement between their own staff about which path was more correct, and they attributed the quality of the episode to attempting to portray the same conflict among the cadets as well.
But this is why I wouldn't consider Nick's behavior as gaslighting, because, as he put it, he sincerely believed his first duty and allegiance was to his squadron, even when not reciprocated by those friends.
@@gluuuuue It's a little mean, but I do love _DS9's_ follow-up on the dangers of young talented people with a strong groupthink mentality.
Ironically, this episode was written by Ron Moore, so he is presumably the one Voyager would have had to pay to reuse the character of Nick. I say ironically, because Ron would later leave to become the chief producer of DS9, where he really wanted to reuse the character of Rho Laren. The reason that didn't happen is that actress Michelle Forbes didn't want to commit the time to a full-time role, but apparently she also saved Moore the cost of royalties to the writers of the "Ensign Rho" episode.
I like the in universe theory that it is Tom but he changed his name as his father is an Admiral in Starfleet and didn’t want the connection.
They just wrote the name on the script wrong. It was always Tom.
Yup, that's the one I choose to believe :P
My head canon is like yours but a little different. To prevent favouritism (and his possible dishonorment in the eyes of the students at Starfleet in the event of something happening like it did), Tom's father told him that if he wanted to be in Starfleet then his one condition was that he participated under the another name and the name Nick Lacarno was chosen by Tom. After First Duty, he went to join the marquis as he still wanted to help people of the Federation and he saw a cause that Starfleet directly opposed. Classic youth rebellion.
The reason the writers didn’t do it is because they really didn’t think that his character in this episode was very redeemable, but they still wanted the actor so they wrote someone similar who would be more sympathetic
@@starexcelsior Yeah Tom Paris killed three people due to pilots error which is bad but then he made it worse by covering it up. He got away with it but his concounce got to him and he later came forward and said it was his fault. A little better than what Lacarno did.
Ray Walston who played Boothby was the star of a 60s sitcom "My Favorite Martian" and played a judge on a 90s drama "Picket Fences" and movies like "The Sting", "Silver Streak" and "Popeye".
I expected the antennae to come out.
He was also Mr Hand in Fast Times at Ridgemont High
He also played the devil in Damn Yankees!, and the teacher Mr. Hand in Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Dang it, I wanted to be the first to tell them about Uncle Martin.
Oh well, it's good that someone else mentioned it.
Also played Luther "There Is Nothing Like A Dame" Billis in the movie version of South Pacific
TBF 2000 kilometers in space terms is like saying "I'm not touching you, i'm not touching you"
It was still within safety margins, sir!
One of the best Picard speeches of all time. "The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the TRUTH *record scratch and kick up the bass* ... If you can't find it in yourself to tell that truth then you don't deserve to wear that uniform *scratch scratch* you don't deserve the wear that uniform". I would drop the mic but i'm too busy dancing. React to the Picard song! lol
I second this. When i saw what episode it was i immediately thought of the song.
Or maybe not there might be some spoilers in it
It's important to remember how young they are. Locarno isn't a bad guy, he was just scared of losing everything and began lashing out. He was going to graduate as a hotshot and then realized he was on the verge of complete and utter failure and had cost one of his literal wingmen his life. Yes, he was trying to gaslight and manipulate Weasly when it all came crashing down, but it was an act of desperation, not a trait of his personality. People do make mistakes, there was never any maliciousness in what he did, just wild self-preservation after a bad call that ended tragically.
Nope, I disagree with you. He is a manipulator from day 1, and was always looking out for himself. He wanted to graduate with a bang. He wanted to cover his decision, and force everyone else to help him do it.
@@jkhoover he literally took responsibility in the end. Yes, it was too little too late, but he wasn't only for himself. He put the others ahead of himself when the chips were down.
@@jowbloe3673 Nope. He was manipulative from the start convincing the other students to perform a banned dangerous maneuver. Convincing them that there won't be any punishment, because it was so spectacular.
@@jkhoover Nope!
"The First Duty of a Starfleet officer is to the Truth, whether it is scientific truth, historical truth, or personal truth. And a lie of omission is still a lie." Such a powerful line that has stayed with me for decades. And, sadly, this can be applied to so much in our current day.
I think this episode hits harder after both watching the rest of TNG or even as a follow-up to "Final Mission". The Picard and Wesley relationship is so powerful, especially now we know about Wil Wheaton's real home life. The scene in the Ready Room is so raw, as Picard dresses Wesley down and is both furious and disappointed. I love the callbacks to when Wesley first arrived onboard and how, even then, Picard was impressed with him. Picard more than makes-up for Wesley losing his Dad. On a related note, I thought the scene in Beverley's office, early in the episode, made me think that both characters must've been reliving the time Picard came to tell her about Jack's death. Beverley must've been worried he was coming to tell her that Wesley's died too!
This is easily the best Wesley Crusher episode. So good.
Yeah, the pain of Beverly's loyalty was him was so evident on Wesley's face: he's keeping his own guilt just contained enough but he doesn't want to bring anyone else down with him, be it Captain Picard or his mom, for his own personal failing.
Best story of the series, or I *would* say that if there actually somehow weren't still so many other good episodes. If I tried to make a Top 5 eps of all time, there'd probably be 15 of them, and this'd be there.
I absolutely love Dr Crusher's line about how she knows he's telling the truth but somehow the evidence makes it look like he's lying. So naive in such a realistic, relatable way.
I'm a firm believer in top 5 lists of flexible length :)
I feel one main reason that the Picard-Wesley relationship hits some people so hard is that we might have really wanted a father/mother like the captain. For them to show us how to be a good person by demonstrating those qualities that are expected in a respectful society. My dad disappointed himself and his family everyday he was alive.
Robert Duncun McNeill almost played this exact same character of Nick Lacarno on Voyager but then the showrunners realised that if they did that they'd have to pay royalties to the writer of this episode so they changed his characters name and made a *separate* space shuttle crash in which people died and he lied about it. McNeill has confirmed it in his podcast and at conventions
I didn't realize until just now that Robert Duncin McNeill was in TNG wow and its a continuation to voyager, that's awesome.
Same character but wibble wobble timey wimey.😂
@@shadowphoenix1696 sometimes he jokes "maybe their cousins but then that family has some major problems"
@@Calzaki that is one messed up family or maybe there all clones LoL
I wish they canonized the connection. First saw Voyager and DS9 before TNG, so it was always great to see spin-off characters in the main series.
Paula: "...but they didn't want to pay the writer to use a returning character."
Me: I was wondering why we don't see Camo on these reactions anymore.
Oh, the good old Nicholas Locarno, that we will see again aboard the USS Voyager, in the eponymous series, and... oh, wait, no.
A good fan theory is that Tom Paris *IS* actually Nicholas Locarno, but at the time of Academy he changed his name to avoid preferential treatment, being the son of the famous admiral Paris (a character that will also show up in Star Trek Voyager at some point).
for a while I really liked to think that they were the same person, but Locarno was just power hungry and manipulative and Paris was really just the child of a controlling famous star fleet admiral who just wanted to live his life.
@@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh Not that Paris was so well written to allow point out a really distinctive characteristic... On the contrary, he was really poorly, sloppily written. Like almost all Voyager characters, sadly...
Yeah, that's a good theory, the name change.
Tuvok also appears in TNG, and he was a spy, but in that episode he dies? I do not remember.
I am one of those fans that like to go with that theory. It is so much more satisfying than "...they liked his acting and so they brought him back in a new role."
@@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh Not just*, he does end up taking one for the team by the end.
I legitimately can't tell you why the Picard-Wesley relationship hits me so hard lately. Well I can tell you one reason: the realization that Wil Wheaton's mom and dad were absolute pieces of crap towards him, so Gates and Patrick were pretty much his GOOD parents.
Ah, well. At least he's grown up to have a lovely family & circle of friends. Man, I miss seeing new episodes of TableTop.
@@jean-paulaudette9246 I seriously was hoping that that lawsuit he settled with Legendary might have gotten him the rights to TableTop again. That is pretty much my go-to relaxing series on CZcams to this very day. The best episode has to be Star Trek Catan with Jeri Ryan, Kari Wahlgren, and... Ryan Wheaton. (And one of the top five that I like watching has to be the Christmas episode with, among other people, his then-stepson, now adopted son, Nolan.)
To this day he calls Gates his "space mom".
@@cypher515 The one I wanted to see many more episodes devoted to was Mice & Mystics. It felt like they only really scratched the surface, and it was such a great time.
@@TheNoiseySpectator It looks like no episode has been uploaded on youtube more recently than 7 years ago. I think you can find five or six seasons of it here, on Geek & Sundry channel.
I so this when I was a kid, and I pretty much ignored it all until Picard confronted Wesley about a person’s commitment to the truth. Even as a child, I knew that was special.
The episode that FINALLY put a flaw into Wesley Crusher. Everyone is allowed to love or hate the character, but regardless of feelings, it is undeniable that for the greater (And early) part of the series, Wesley was written as a "Mary Sue" (Or "Gary Stu", if one insists on a male nomenclature). Wesley not only could do no wrong (Unless under some outside influence) but he was always the solution to any and all problem whenever he was around; no matter how smarter or more experienced any other character was. So it was good to see him being taken down from his pedestal, not in a petty or envious way but rather to finally show that he was human after all (After all, if Data, the Android, could have multiple flaws: Why couldn't Wesley?)
Oh, and: "The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it's scientific truth or historical truth or personal truth! "... THAT QUOTE, man: I wish the whole of humanity would live by that quote!
Unfortunately some people these days define personal truth as the "truth" they personally like best.
I would argue they already managed to show Wesley's imperfections back at the beginning of Season 3 in Evolution. While he doesn't face consequences for his experiments endangering the ship, he is depicted having inadvertently created the criss to do to exhaustive night work and then becomes too eager to control the problem alone. It showed that he was starting to crack under the pressure of living up to everyone's lofty expectations and was not happy about it. After that he was less likely to solve problems single handedly. Instead was forwarding ideas back in forth between Geordi or Data to form solutions as a team.
Still I can see how many might have forgotten that after his last guest appearance. The Game put him back in familiar territory as the only one save the ship. It might have been better is Robin had assisted him to the end rather than instead of joining the possessed.
To be fair Wesley was still "around" during plenty of episodes, even if the character doesn't show up on screen.
Very true. Any weak points of character were all too rare previously, but this episode finally showed a real human side to Wesley and him having to face the consequences. He’s in the kind of situation that we could all be in when younger.
There should have been more episodes like this and Wesley would have been more popular.
The first duty of any Star Fleet officer is to the truth.
One of my Fave Picard speeches and a lot of people in the 21st century need to hear it.
I also like how there was intent to use these students again but the staff chose to make new characters for those stories.
They reused the Bajoran girl on Lower Decks.
One of my fav STTNG Episodes-Robert Duncan McNeill as Nicholas Locarno was gold, and this was the first episode I really felt Wesley aka Will Wheaton held his own against Picard (Stewart) acting wise.
It was so obvious that they wanted Lacarno to be in Voyager. There are instances where the writers will mix up Paris' backstory for Lacarno's.
This is definitely one of the absolute best episodes of all of Star Trek. Well written, great characters, great acting. Just perfect.
I think I could probably, at any time, recite Picard's rant at Wesley about "The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it's scientific truth, or historical truth, or personal truth. It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based, and if you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth about what happened, you don't deserve to wear that uniform." It definitely helps that it's a key line in The Picard Song (slightly edited).
See, I actually don't like the title of the episode and some of the writing of that speech, because that is a load of bunk. Starfleet was NOT founded on "truth" for god's sake. Truth is part of its set of ethics just like it usually is for almost every civilization, but it is so silly to say "the guiding principle is TRUTH". You lie all the time in diplomacy, and war. (Remember, a lie of omission is still a lie!) Truth is hardly the prime directive haha. A couple seasons later, Riker tells Troi his first duty is to the ship - in a storyline in which he is being a bit deceptive for very good reasons, I might add. WELL WHICH IS IT STAR TREK, does "your first duty" vary by your mission and role because the purpose of Starfleet is broad and complex, or are we going to fetishize the truth?
It's still a fantastic episode, because the plot is great and the performances are great and most of the writing is great. I just find the decision to associate this question of honesty with the phrase "the first duty" to be an odd quirk of writing.
Always wondered why they didn't reuse Locarno instead of Paris. Nice to get a possible explanation.
Simple. Money. They would have had to pay the writer of this episode for reusing Locarno. It was cheaper to change the name.
@@albertmartinez2539 which is the explanation they gave in the video that I was saying was nice to hear.
I grew up on Voyager. Me, my older brother, and my dad would watch it. This whole episode I was like "is that TOM PARIS?"
I can 100% believe it was money thing. There's an episode in Voyager called Ashes to Ashes. It involves Ensign Kim (maybe the character most overlooked for promotion in all of ST besides Data?) and a 'formerly deceased love interest.' Her space buried body had been 'reborn' by a race of alien that procreate thru using the dead from other species and they chemically make them into their own and the new life form, the child of an actual couple. Sometimes things 'go wrong ' and the child's body remembers its past life. Anyways, here's this episode where it ALL hinges on you remembering how close Harry Kim and this girl had been. Complete recon, she had never been mentioned before.
There was a mauve shirt I think that much better fit the idea. To the point where the fandom has pretty much been able to deduce that the episode was written with her name and then search+replaced a new character in the script so that the previous writer wouldn't have to be paid. 🙄
I wanted to go into HR. But my interest was based on figuring out how to make people/teams best at their jobs, like helping 🥦 Knowing my job would require devising how to cheat people out of being paid made me give up on my dream 🙁
Hadn't seen that in 20 years probably. At least Robert Duncan McNeill eventually had a redemption arc as Tom Paris. I think he confirmed that the writer angle for sure at conventions. and I prefer the Trek universe theory where he changed his name at the Academy in this so he wouldn't be compared to his father the Admiral. :)
Nicholas Locarno is so blatantly the same character as Tom Paris that both of their names are based on European cities. Paris, France and Locarno, Switzerland.
And, both given names end in 'as'. Coincidence? I think NOT!!
I heard the same thing about the writer getting paid. Can't wait for you to get to Voyager!
Finally another Wesley fan! Kindred spirits! I grew up loving Wesley and young Anakin Skywalker. I didn’t know the internet hated them until we got a dial up modem. I’m actually glad it happened that way because I formed my opinion on my own with being influenced by the hivemind.
Honestly, I don't know why they did but I am glad they made a new name. I preferred Tom Paris as a name for a regular.
I didnt know Paula worked in VFX, thats interesting!
The 20th Anniversary of Doctor Who was called, 'The Five Doctors'. The 30th was a 50 minute Documentary. This was a very Good Episode and Very Good Reactions Girls.
There is a theory (more like a convoluted "trying to make it canon" idea) that states that Nick Locarno IS Tom Paris, and that his name was changed at the academy to avoid favouritism, as his father is an Admiral (Owen Paris).
But the differences (Tom graduating the academy, his accident being somewhat different, etc) kinda breaks that theory.
But that means Starfleet has these doppelgänger characters who are different people yet look alike and have such strikingly similar histories, which feels weirder..
The only reason Nick Locarno wasn't on Voyager was because they didn't want to pay royalties to the writer who wrote this episode. Thus, they cloned him with slightly different background details.
I personally think Nick Locarno is Tom Paris with a fake name, that's why he fought so hard to get Wesley to lie, and that's why in the end he took all the blame, because he thought his father would protect him somewhat.
Any other differences in their stories background stories can be forgotten as Tom lying about his past. Considering they were at the end of the year and very nearly graduated, Tom/Nick took and passed all of his Starfleet classes. He "graduated".
Or you can blame the time travel. Nick became Tom after Voyager altered the timeline so much, in a weird causality loop.
No, I remember that, in the premier Voyager episode, Tom Paris explained that he was thrown out of the Academy and joined the Maqui because he was "looking for a fight".
Ah, the old Tom Paris origin story!
Picard: Tell the truth Wesley.
Tom: Shut up Wesley.
This is such a cool episode!
Sometimes it does work out like that!
It is usually better to admit your mistake, than to put it on someone else!
Season 5 is my favorite season and has my favorite episode, which you haven't come to yet!
Great episode, I love the next Wes episode later in the show too
Katrina, sometimes it does work like that in real life.
About an hour ago some were singing my praises for fixing a problem but I stopped them. I pointed out that it was easy for me to fix because I was the one who goofed in the first place.
Not only is honesty the best policy, it helps reassure people that I am a stand-up guy and it serves as an example to the new folks that a) I am not going to throw others under the bus for my mistakes and b) the world doesn't end if you 'fess up right away.
It only gets bad if you wait/try to cover it up.
@@TheNoiseySpectator Many years ago, my military education included this as one of the definitions of integrity: Doing the right thing even when no-one is around.
@@TheNoiseySpectator Oh it is true that it is only one of the possible ways to define the word.
It simply fit the situation during that block of instruction and it stuck with me.
Much like the definition of "leadership" but I don't think I will post that here out of consideration for the potential audience reading these comments and the possibility it would offend. ;-)
@@TheNoiseySpectator Well,...there is also an element of "not the forum" for that discussion. ;-)
@@TheNoiseySpectator Now that is just mean.
We can mention that Seth MacFarlane was on Star Trek: TNG and see if that will get them to review _'The Orville'_ .
Tom Paris has a great story arc in Voyager. I'm a big fan of "The Delta Flyers" a podcast by Robert Duncan Mc Neil (Tom Paris) and Garett Wang (Harry Kim).
As we approach the end of season 5, I really hope you are considering starting DS9, too and if you are, I hope you watch in unison with TNG. Its not 100% necessary, but there are storylines that cross over between the two shows and it makes it a bit more fun to spot things like some secondary character that's appeared in both.
I'm pretty sure there will be websites out there that list the correct watch order, so you know when to start DS9 and keep the two shows in the correct sync with each other.
I think it is perfectly fine if they wait until they are done with TNG. There are no true direct crossovers that are 'necessary' to watch them in conjunction.
@@Renegade2786 Again that does NOT require them to watch DS9 in conjunction with TNG. They can just watch DS9 after.
It's moreenriching to the world-building, and I think a better experience.
They were DESIGNED to play off each other tonally.
Also, Emmisary is right after "Chain of Command". Then there's a chronological order for the alternating series, or airdate.
I think if they were to do so, airdate might work better for them, as the chronological lists I've seen also deals with the order WITHIN individual series.
@@bustedsim it really isn't. The Cross overs aren't that vital or frequent to make it necessary. it is a sad desperation to get your way to claim it is.
@@cliveklg7739 Its not vital by any means. They're less connected than something like Buffy and Angel - and its not too hard to watch them completely separately, too (although you do lose more context with those shows).
But I would say that it is generally better to watch them in the fashion that they aired. Again, its not the end of the world if you don't, but I do think its the better option. It even has some impact on the TNG films, too (eg. you're going to be confused by some of the dialogue in Insurrection if you're not caught up the current season of DS9)
But it also wouldn't be a disaster if they watched DS9 after finishing TNG. However, if its not too difficult to watch them in broadcast order with each other, then there's no benefit in not doing so.
I never really GOT how incredibly dangerous Nick Locarno was.
He has the potential to be a really great guy, though, if he learns not to be an arrogant POS. Given that Tom Paris is basically Locarno with another name and a different crime, I think we definitely see that.
Boothby is the best!
I also believe that paying original writers/creators of the Nick Lacarno character was a reason they changed the Voyager character to Tom Parris. The Voyager producers have stated that they believed that Lacarno as a character was irredeemable for his actions in this episode, but I don't agree with that. While his actions are horrible with both getting his wingman killed and then gaslighting the rest of the team to keep quiet on it to save his career and reputation, his first act of redemption is FINALLY taking responsibility. They really could have built on that where he has to rebuild the trust from the bottom up.
Though I will say, it would be neat if both Tom Paris and Nick Lacarno could meet in a future Star Trek series both played by Robert Duncan McNeill. Have them make jokes about how they are almost like twins, even in backstory. 🤣
They could be twins, separated at birth. Nick adopted by the Lacarno family, and Tom adopted by Admiral and Mrs. Paris. While raised by different families (maybe even on different planets), they both have the same instincts.
Then they get drunk and start a bar fight with some Nausicans.
@@Tuning_Spork Yes! All of this! LOL
The way I heard it was that they were willing to pay the writer for the rights to Nick, but he didn't want it. He had written the character the way he wanted it to be with the ending he wanted him to have. But Paula said it best, no one will actually admit how it really went down.
I so want to see Tom and Wesley in the same room one day, acknowledge that they knew each other at the Academy, but not address the fact that Nick is Tom.
Ah that is a take I hadn't heard. Ironically...we will never know THE TRUTH!
That squad is more dangerous than Section.
maybe Tom Parris literally had his name legally changed from this guy, and it's just never mentioned in any of the shows =)
"I have no proof, this photograph that explicitly calls out your bullshit isn't proof at all" that will never stop annoying me that they have a TON of proof but the Admiral acts like they 're just speculating.
P.S. Is there any particular reason why Paula and Katrina are still in separate places? It seemed that the original reason for this was covid but from what I understand most covid restrictinons in the US aren't in place anymore and lots of people are vaccinated now.
They've discovered the convenience of working from home. 🏠
Some fans like this episode because they say it humanized Wesley's character. Which is true to an extent. But I'd say if you look back, he was always human and made plenty of mistakes. They just tend to focus on the parts they didn't like such as Wes being a prodigy.
Do you think you two will cover DS9 and Voyager? There are 7 season each and approximately 26 episodes per season. That's A LOT. And,of course, would take a long time to get through.
Those fans are right really. It did humanise him and it was good to see him seriously fallible as those occasions were all too rare. It’s no coincidence that this is the best Wesley episode.
@@makasete30 Go back and watch it again. Even before this, he screwed up a number of times and put the ship at risk.
"I don't trust Nick at the moment..." Kat's instincts are spot on.
5:10 he plays that same guy in an episode of Star Trek: Voyager.
While not sure I do think they changed his name because they didn't want to pay the writer.
I also heard of something similar with the show Angel with the character Dennis the ghost, because you never actually see or hear Dennis beyond him moving things around the room that they used that loophole to never pay the creator of the character Dennis the ghost.
I totally forgot "Tom Paris" was in TNG!!
@@TheNoiseySpectator Oh, i agree, but you can see the similarities. He did a dumb, bad thing, but in the end, did the right thing by taking the blame. And as cocky and careless as Tom seemed at times, he was a good person at heart.
I always felt like this was the best Wesley episode, although there is another good one coming up.
Another quality cat duty video!
Calling Picard a liar is the most stupid idea since the invention of the stupid ideas.
When the fall is all there is, how you fall matters.
I've really enjoyed/loved Katrina's introduction to and exploration of Star Trek TNG. Not sure if you've decided to keep going once you've finished TNG, but watching this one, once again made me curious to see her reactions to DS9 & VOY.
Have you guys discussed watching The Films at all?
Lol. The easiest way around it is that Paris and his Admiral dad in Voyager is his real name. He just made up a diff name as Locarno cuz he wasnt associated with his dad that way. Ended up a disaster and thence Voyager. :)
I'm afraid I can't agree Nick was gaslighting. Nick was quite specific about his version of honor and it wasn't really wrong.
Certainly it was wrong in this case, but honor to one's legion and honor to their own mates will come in conflict. Picard himself said this back in Conspiracy.
Howdy Enterprise make it all the way to Earth
I'm not sure but if they count this as going back to the home base at the centre of the federation it explains why they move the action from the Klingon/Romulans (beta quadrant side) to then moving back out towards the Cardassian areas. Of course they had encountered them before but much more of the action takes place there from this point onwards
Not quite sure if it's me or not, but your audio seems off by a second or two throughout the video. :(
Yeah, seeing same. Audio leading the video by about 1s or so..
Yeah, its not just you. I'm highly sensitive to this stuff, so not sure if I'm gonna be able to make it through this video. A shame cos I like this episode. :(
No doubt caused by an anomaly in the space-time continuum.
It's an effect of the chronosynclasticinfindiblium.
They just need to reverse the polarity of the main deflector.
12:30 in star trek they figureb out how to unlock being a genius (not thru genetics) in humans so almost everyone is one
Ok, I'm gonna geek out on you now. TNG S5 E19 is stardate 45703.9. Voyager S1 E1 is stardate 48038.5. I don't really know how stardates equate to real time but perhaps the difference was enough that Nick would have to be much older, making Tom Paris too young. Just a guess.
Yeah, we'd rather you not pay that writer for the character we'd rather you pay us.
This is the classic, it is where it all began. There was "First Duty", then came the "Number #2", then there was "Duty Hitting the Fan", "Stepped in Dudy", and the most important, "In Duty Up to Here!". Now go and listen to "The Picard Video" by CoJux ;)
They found Wesley, on the planet Earth 🌏
'The First Doody?'
Oldest scam in the book. "I'm a traveller of all of space and time. Come with me if you want to get away from this boring life" and then she ends up getting whisked away in the 25th century equivalent of a rusty unmarked van.
I always thought Voyager not bring the character Locarno doomed the series at the very beginning. All true Trekkers were like hey that is Locarno and the backstory was almost identical , who is the Tom Paris character, we aren't dumb.
I know that Wesley crusher fans would have been repelled by that character in voyager. On the other hand we are less than 10% of the fan base. I do not know if they would exclude the character because a small faction would not have watched voyage.
I think this is my favorite Wesley episode
Chat : is he the same Paris ?
4:04 That IS NOT Tom Paris.
A lie of omission is still a lie.
Great episodes coming up
Ive had some back & forth on The Gals' Patreon whether you think the court went too lightly on Wesley. Im sure Star Fleet Academy must have an honor code. He lied to his commanding officer, he lied to the court, he lied to Picard, he was involved in a conspiracy to committ perjury and most despicable to me, he lied to the father of the dead boy who was apologizing to him for his son's mistakes! I dont care how much we all like Wesley, he showed none of the qualities expected from a Star Fleet cadet, potential officer, son of 2 officers (one of whom died in action). My opinion is that Wesley should have been kicked out on his ass. Yours?
@@TheNoiseySpectator There are no other episodes of TOS. (I am on their Patreon)
@@TheNoiseySpectator It's just the 4 at this stage. Generally all episode reactions end up on CZcams as well.
I wonder if theres any books where tom paris meets locarno. I bet they'd hate each other.
Apparently the producers on Voyager were convinced that Nicholas Locarno was an "irredeemable" character that audiences wouldn't sympathize with, which they felt wouldn't work for the redemption story that they wanted to tell. So they created Tom Paris to be a more sympathetic version of Locarno.
Personally I think they should have brought back Locarno.
Someone mentioned above it was because they would have to pay royalties as they did want to use same character? Is there two different theories or is rumours?
That isn't Nick, that is Tom Paris! ;)
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"There is nothing like a daaaaaaaame...."
Rewatching some of these. I remember the Paris/Locarno question coming up back when I watched the pilot/premiere for Voyager, and what I'd been told then (1995) from fellow fans was the irredeemability explanation. They liked Locarno in the sense of his general backstory but believe the difference was that Paris's past troubles were redeemable whereas Locarno's weren't, hence they couldn't be the same person.
I disagree for a couple reasons:
1) implying people are incapable of change, and
2) here're 2 people who are identical twins in every way, the exact same age or abouts, with the same life circumstances, but are solely different in name and just that detail, but actually unrelated (which just sounds preposterous)..
Thing with Nick Locarno's character is.. I just don't like him. I didn't like him or his "leadership" in this story. (And I'm totally Team Picard, so sure.. I'll concede I'm biased there.) But I always felt Nick genuinely believed what he was doing was right. He honestly values loyalty to his group above Starfleet principles/ideals. So I think his treatment, peer (sempai) pressure of Wesley was shitty, I wouldn't class it as gaslighting, because he genuinely believed it himself. He's a hardcore believer in loyalty above principle, which is more dangerous to me than even gaslighters.
But.. this also made me really interested when I saw Robert Duncan McNeill had been cast on Voyager, because I honestly thought it was gonna be Nick Locarno again. An' I remember being quite irritated because not only was the doppelganger-but-'redeemable' idea blatantly skirting the issue, but I thought Locarno would've made a more interesting character to have on the show.
Nick is Tom.
Oh hi Tom!
@@TheNoiseySpectator that's just the act he put on after being court marshalled to "explain" his new life without the details of the reality, AND they really do look alot alike being white and all. ;)
@@TheNoiseySpectator that's an excellent point. With 10B people on Earth and who knows how many more elsewhere, Tom probably has a few stranger-twins out there. Though, both being from the Bay Area makes me wonder more about where his Admiral dad had been sleeping.
Still amazed second degree burns are fine.
Depends on how much of his chest was burned that badly. Could be very serious, could be deadly, could be no big deal. And of course in Star Trek all you need is somebody to wave a little flashlight doodad over the burn and it's like new again.
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Don't fuck with the captain.
Is the audio out of sync for anyone else?
Please tell me you will be reacting to Deep Space Nine and Voyager?
Wrong thread, but any thoughts on the newly announced Dr Who?
Katrina is pro-tribbles. Neat-o.
This is why I don't like Ensign Crusher. He lied to a board of inquiry. He lied to Captain Picard, and to his own mother, who is a commander in Starfleet herself. This cadet is a disgrace to Starfleet and no wonder he resigned in Season 7.
"Nick" hmmmm, looks a bit suspicious to me - probably not his real name either
Nichalous Liccardo SHOULD have been on voyager, NOT Tom Paris!!!!! Would have been SOOOO much better.
This show also exemplifies what has changed in Star Trek writing in the last 30 years. If you look at Dr. Crushers reaction to her learning that her son was in a terrible accident, you clearly see Gene Roddenberry's vision of humans having emotionally evolved and not giving into their base instincts so easily. Kind of like Vulcans.
In modern Kurtzman's Star Trek people Dr. Crusher would have reacted like any mother does today, by totally freaking out.
And the Admiral would have accused the cadets of sheer fucking hybris.
There's more truth in these subtle emotional beats than in the emotional bombasity and melodrama of today. It's a big reason I can't get into them, it all feels so phony and unearned.
Katrina, it WAS a copyright reason, period. It's the most plausble reason, because a redemption arc could have been good (Darth Vader, I'm looking at you...)
That being said, I hope you'll watch Voyager someday...
Thats how tom paris got kicked out of starfleet academy
So when are you two going to be in the same room again?
Now I did like this episode,I do not like Westley or Beverly as characters