I feel like this is going to be an Omori situation. It will probably take a long time to make and people will be asking for their money back and when it releases, everyone will like it.
The vanilla game is pretty much dead but the mod community is still thriving. I'm really not a fan of the game (anymore) but seeing the community still doing well is nice.
I hope the team doesn't fault on the 'mental health' epidemic thing that is being pushed so much in social media. That team better be ready to let that $2 Million go back to their rightful owners and accept the backlash they would deserve as a result. Or get their asses in gear cause you can't just fault 'mental health' on their inabilities not when you are messing with $2 Million dollars that don't belong to you. Let alone, you can't 'mental health' you way out of this when you mess with the money of others in general.
I was so surprised as a backer of this project to see that 99% of the updates are about merch, literally nothing about the game, I think they are overwhelmed by the number of backers and it is getting difficult to send the stuff to all the people, which is a bit sad because it has changed their focus from the game to art and merch. I do not believe we will see the game release anytime soon
No they did not switch from the game to merch. They are completely remaking the game engine, improving other stuff, and adding new content on top of that. They said the next update will be a V-Slice
Huh what a sight , mostly the game keeps being popularized by mods so i guess they can dip the idea of actually making the game... for now. Still , it's easily getting more hate so the developers should step up their game already before its too late.
I don't think it's entirely fair to write the game off as a failure just yet, as the devs are still actively working on it (they provide occasional updates on Twitter), but I fully agree that they're in way over their heads. This is a team of four people, and what they've promised on their kickstarter is incredibly ambitious. I'm not sure if they'll be able to finish the game and deliver on their promises, but I'd like to think that they can and will.
20 months with 2 million and multiple people to be working on the game. Sure maybe it's like Duke Nukem Forever development hell. That would be a good excuse if it wasn't for the fact modders were able to do more with less.
I think the scariest part of Friday Night Funkin is how hard the game might flop. It feels like the modding community for Friday Night Funkin is going to continue cherry picking every possible feature that could exist within the game, add it within their own individual mods and then when the game drops, you'll be like, "Oh, these are the exploding arrows from the Tricky mod!" "This is the timing space bar taps from Lullaby!" "This is the dodge mechanic that was in Indie Cross!" "This is the life decay mechanic from Sonic.Exe! (Black Sun)" All of the gameplay mechanics and wonder that they could've put in the game will have been exhausted by the modding community, so when you play the full game, it'll probably just feel like a homage to all of the mods that have been made during the development of FNF and nothing original.
there have been many games and fnf mods that use the same mechanics they continue to feel fresh because they do it right if they can do it right then it won't feel dry
Personally I don’t care about the mechanics. They already have something people enjoy in terms of those. Their biggest selling point will be the songs imo and no modded can create those the same as they can.
It reminds me of when Martin (the creator of The Walten Files) reacted to the kickstarter goals and basically said it was ridiculously overambitious and impossible from a dev standpoint and he got loads of hate because of it.
Tbf he wasn't, and likely still isn't in a position to talk. Martin has also overpromised with his WF series and hasn't put out any content other than merch promo in a year and so (the merch being of questionable quality too), and arguably his project isn't as difficult as this one, not to undermine his work, but definitely not as complicated as a videogame. I'm not defending the FNF team at all, they set the bar for themselves way too high and are reaping the consequences of it (rightfully so, I'm as disappointed as the next person), but Martin not only threw the first punch, he punched his own reflection
@@mariacamilavega1720 of course! not trying to bring up any drama or anything. i couldn't remember exactly what martin said and it is true he's been pretty silent on TWF. i would think martin would have the same progress as Alex with the Mandela catalogue series with videos and things but yeh it was a surprise that nothing has come out. Watching this video reminded me of that little moment in time where he did make a comment on the games development. and i just thought it was an interesting creator to creator mindset
@@TheNinetailes he basically said the whole list of things looked like "development hell", which is true. People started to take issue when he couldn't keep his mouth shut. He kept making snarky remarks and subtweeting the FNF team for a while until Kawai Sprite responded rightfully annoyed telling him to mind his business and to focus on his own series. He's a hypocrite, that's for sure
@@mariacamilavega1720 yeh I remember that and a few bits and pieces, tbh it was just a little thought. Agree that he's a hypocrite tho, as a fan of TWF I'm still waiting for the new video but personally aren't itching to get it.
Tbf thats a dumb excuse, they knew how popular the game was and how small and slow the development was going and still kept those ambitious ass promises for the game while not even being able to maintain 1 week per year (tankman)
These 4 dudes were trying to stop the moon from crashing down to earth with a tennis racket, saying they bit off more than they could chew is such a complete and wild understatement
It is like being bullied by 4 delinquents back when you were 7 years old and several years later, come back to get revenge by dropping a whole nuke onto their country
Honestly, their biggest problem is promising too much content, this is a really common mistake indie developers make, so if any upcoming indie developer sees this, only promise stuff you can actually see yourself doing.
Looking back through their awards as well, yeah they in BIG. I mean even their smallest reward of Custom Songs/Character Sharing Network Hub is a HUGE task to add on top of the already planned existed game. Fully animated cutscenes, new difficult with new music arrangements, 15 additional weeks (45 songs), and a 10 week epilogue with 30 extra songs is going to be insanely difficult and back crushing. Not to mention that their already existing goal to get funded was 20 additional weeks (60 songs), unsure if that was ontop of already existing weeks or if it included the 7 weeks that already exist. Lets just say that it's already included. So they still have 38 Weeks to work on. Meaning 114 songs. Meaning 342 charts to make for the Easy, Medium, and Hard difficulties. Throwing in the Erect difficulties they now have an additional 45 songs and charts to make as well. Adding to a total of 159 songs and 387 charts. That's the base line of what they have to deliver. But that's everything. On top of everything I just mentioned. They also have to do a mobile build, Custom Character Creator, Custom Song/Custom Character Sharing Hub, Fully animated cutscenes, and Online Multiplayer. This is an insane amount to add to your plate and might not even be enough to be funded for 2 million dollars. Not even sure how much taxes took away. Potentially across 10 people right now included musicians.
Don't forget Console Releases, which can contradict modding support, as they will need additional approval from Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo regarding User Generated Content. This would mean that mods like Mario's Madness will never be approved for Consoles.
This reminds me soooo much of the Omori kickstarter. Omocat also was promising the world without realizing how much work this would actually amount to. That and her team really poorly handling communication with the backers, led to a severe downwards spiral that left backers feeling like they got scammed and some even trying to take legal actions. The game did come out in the end and was pretty good, but its kickstarter clearly showed how overambition and miscommunication can quickly escalate. Especially when the devs bit off more than they could chew
Yeah, I also immediately thought of the Omori kickstarter. Thank goodness Omori turned out to be one of my favorite games ever but I agree, Omocat was very unprepared.
@@erasaesvaranrajkumar2017 I stopped keeping up with the Fandom but this is nice to hear kinda I am getting tired of searching for fnaf and then getting fnf
I really hope this ends up being a situation like Omori where the game might take forever to release, but at least ends up being a really great game at the point it comes out.
@@16016__tartOmori, Apparently they were involved in some pretty nonce-like shenanigans in the past? Idk the whole story though so take it with a grain
Quick update: On February 11th, we finally got our first Kickstarter update in over 6 months. Pins haven't started manufacturing yet, and are still another 2 months out.
I agree that they bit off more than can chew. However, the game is still being developed, so I wouldn't say they actually failed at all. There were even livestreams recently that are talking about the development while sketching stuff. The only thing they failed on imo was communication. Saying FNF failed is like saying that OMORI failed (which they also failed on communication), and that eventually came out. So I am confident that we all just need to be very... very... very... patient. And eventually FNF will come out.
This seems to be the same story behind many hyped up, overfunded, and overpromised kickstarter games that don't meet deadlines and struggle with fulfilment, and certainly won't be the last. I haven't played it, but Omori seems to be one of the more famous examples alongside FNF.
@@RolandTheJabberwocky Yes? (I think you may have misunderstood my comment. Omori had the same struggle with meeting deadlines and fulfilment as FNF, along with poor communication leading to people claiming it was a scam until the game finally came out. I fully expect that FNF will be highly rated and popular if/when it comes out, just like Omori).
crowdfunding can definitely be a double-edged sword if your game gets overhyped, it ends up putting a lot more pressure on the devs to deliver on the fan's expectations this can lead to delays as the scope of the game increases to meet their audience's increasing demands and when the game does eventually come out, even if its received really positively, there will inevitably be people who are left disappointed by the final product due to having higher expectations
From standpoint of the devs, creating the ideal FNF for the final release is hard, literally. FNF community is *truly* thriving, starting from Original Mods & songs, HD Fanmade remaster sprites, and even Something such as improved Source code made by fan which has better input speed, ETC&ETC. If the devs creates a full FNF game that doesn't reach Playerbase expectations, you know what mess they will faced against. Meanwhile the game got Ridiculous Support, and now the devs put under pressure as well. The reason why they don't put any progress showcase on any social media, is possibly to keep the people expectations stagnant, low possibly. Hyping player expectations by giving leaks and updates will result in similar case of "No man sky"
A modder also had stole week 8 stuff that had been show in streams before, and made a mod of it claiming they made the assets, which is even more reason to not show too much content.
As a massive fnf fan and a person who has went out of their way to find as much information as possible about what is going on with the game. I can say that they are still working on it and it is not a scam. Firstly they reveal a lot of information about the game not on the kickstarter but through other way like streaming working on the game and through tweets. The reason they don't reveal any teasers or anything anymore is because the modding community will take the assets and make mods out of them for clout which already happen with the pico week leaks from a while back and they were not happy. 2nd: About the game itself they release a new pico week last April which infamously got delayed because phantom arcade said the reason why they delayed it was to make sure it as great as possible and have more stuff. The update itself is set to be releasing this year around April - June and will contain week 8 which will be an oc and the pico week that was tease will be an alternative week 3 where you play as pico and learn his story before the events of week 3 and every current song will get an erect remix (3 of which have already been uploaded by Kawaii Sprite). As of right now that is all we think will be in the week 8 update and looks to be the final update to the demo before they fully start working on the full game. 3rd: As for the kickstarter merch it looks to be that everyone is getting their stuff this year and even some have said they already got it. The reason why is because I believe only the 2 main artists phantom arcade and evilsk8r are working on the merch art and both of them are known for taking a long time with their art. Though I can say it was worth it since the art looks amazing. 4th: They have hired people to work on the game. We really only know one as of now which is EliteMasterEric (a programmer) and it looks like they are waiting for the update to come out to reveal the rest. Overall while yes the game is taking a long time to come out I definitely know the game isn't a scam and the devs are working hard to make this the best game possible and the devs like surprises (which is why week 7 came out of now where) so I think they will surprises the internet with this game. I rather wait years for an amazing game than months for buggy bad game. Hope this comment answers any questions people have had about where this game has been. Obviously I am not a dev so idk the full story but this is what I was able to get from what the devs have said since then.
@@unnamed9482 don't treat sawbutt like that. just don't. please. he's gone that much slander ever since his presence in twitter a month back, and i feel bad about him
They clearly weren't expecting 2 MILLION dollars of goals met. They were all underestimating how big their community was, and now they've basically promised a bunch of stuff that a team of four can't really do in this short of a time frame. Give them time and I'm sure it'll come out some day, ideally like Omori or both Hollow Knights. Let's just hope it won't be like Yandere Simulator. Edit: I'd like everyone to keep out of the replies now. They're super toxic on both sides on the argument and I'd really prefer that not ALL of my notifications come from this single comment. Edit 2: go play pizza tower instead of commenting on this
hopefully not hollow knight lmao that game is ass, fnf in its current state is the most mediocre indie game in existance but if they can actually make it something good that would be cool. it's totally a scam though lmao
I came here to say this. I’m not a fan of FNF but it hasn’t even been two years since the Kickstarter reached its goal. I can plainly see that with the scope of what they want and the size of their team it’s gonna take at least several more years, that does not mean they are not working on it. People need to chill and stop assuming the worst of the devs.
I feel the biggest problem with Friday night funkin is that mods have shown how fast people can pump out content and bangers of songs with just mere months or sometimes weeks. So it’s making everyone just give up on them and want a refund. (Btw I am just pointing out the majority folks)
There are mods made within days, some even within hours. Obviously, the talent of the people working and the time put on the mods are what define their quality, as no mod is equal to the rest, but the timeframe is still crazy.
this game is the perfect example of getting too popular for its own good, there was zero chance of the kickstarter not having some kind of disaster happen.
@@mcduck9458 it's so cute how you try to sound condescending and smart but you couldn't actually refute nothing that he said, nor give an example on how is wrong lmao
Honestly if it wasn't for the fan mods this game would have lost relevancy a year or so ago. The base game hasn't received an update in nearly two years and most recent fanmods completely blow the base game out of the water. If the modding scene dies, which it very well may by the time fnf actually releases, nobody will care about the project anymore. I've noticed the modding scene has been slowing down recently from its hayday of 2021 - early/mid 2022 as well, so the devs are running out of time...
As someone who has spent money on the kickstarter and has not received my rewards for the enamel pin tier, I just wish they would give us more updates. The fact that it's consistently dead news for months at a time seriously kills my patience since I'm not being told what's going on behind the scenes. If they're working hard, I would like to know. I understand that the project is bigger than they ever imagined, but I'm sure they would get much less hate if they actually took the time to update people often.
They have been apparently consistently updating elsewhere, but oops, they literally told nobody where these updates were being made and in fact seem to not give a shit about making sure people know and then being shocked when people are mad at them.
@@papingosstudios161 I liked what they were doing, liked the music, and it was a simple rhythm game that I could play. If it's something I would end up enjoying, $35 is a pretty normal amount to drop on a game these days. I did happen to get perks alongside it so not a bad deal. My main issue is simply just a lack of communication.
I want to at least wish the Funkin' dev team a good luck. It's gonna be hard managing a successful kickstarter, and a full game. Even though I hate it's toxic fandom, the base game is what I think is truly the main course. I think this video actually summarizes when a game concept is successful, and it leaves people with so much ambition. Epic video! New Sub!
I loved the funny little rap battle simulator when it first came out. People quickly forgot that it was supposed to be a rap battle simulator. Next thing you know, people have spent almost 2.25 million dollars on something and they haven't gotten an update to the status of the game (not even a little bit of gameplay) in almost two years.
Honestly,while the community is partially absolutely terrible and doesn't seem to be getting much better,at this point i'd much rather give my money to any of the fantastic teams behind even more fantastic mods than the og game.
I love and hate this game for it's fandom. The fandom created Whitty, but then they destroyed him Also the fandom wouldn't be nearly as bad if more than one out every 3 devs weren't secretly creepy pedophiles.
@@gormless-idiot I’m pretty sure there’s been some leaks if you search for it. Things like the assets for Nene and Darnell for instance you can find on twitter or here on CZcams. There’s also Phantom Arcades streams, like the one where he was animating the intro for the game and some other things. The devs also clearly still do acknowledge the game and show care for it. As there are plenty of official comics on it that have been released fairly recently. Also keep in mind absolutely no one had any clue what was gonna happen for Week 7 until PA accidentally slipped up and revealed an image of it. So they’re clearly trying to hide this stuff, hence the lack of teasers.
The typos and swearing and laid-back approach to updates for their backers makes this feel like a cartoon where the characters are doing something professional in a stupid way and still succeeding at it somehow. That's the vibe I get from it.
@@TheSearchForTruth88 - I can see a couple of your other comments on here, and honestly I think you’re interpreting the actions of the devs in the worst light possible. This behavior doesn’t read as “blatant scammer”, it reads as “inexperienced edgelords trying to be funny”. I didn’t fund it (I suck at rhythm games) but I checked the Kickstarter because of this video. They promised 60 new songs, meaning programming, assets, and animations for 20 new levels and more original songs than most Triple A games have. This is also not including all the other random bells and whistles they tacked on. It’s gonna take a lot longer than a year with the size of their team and it was severely naive of anyone to assume that would be possible. As someone who’s brushed up against a lot of different Kickstarter game scams, people who are intentionally trying to scam others out of their money compose themselves in a way that’s completely different than a team going through production hell. FNF honestly reads as the latter to me. They made promises that they couldn’t fulfill in a timely manner due to being too young and inexperienced. I don’t think they’re actively malicious.
in my opinion, this game was supposed to go in a completely different direction, but due to the outburst of the too-young community, they changed their plans and started all over again
@@hidetski with how much money they received, it wouldn't be understandable, if they just dropped it It will obviously just take a while longer. I'd rather have a good game with longer development time, than a rushed game
I can see that, but I sincerely hope not. I feel like much of Funkin's original appeal lies in its crass "old-internet" nostalgia, something that newgrounds has always had in spades. I really hope they don't compromise on that original theme. And while I don't personally think they will based on what little we have to go on right now, I wouldn't be surprised if they did, and that'd make me a little sad.
@@whodistoodis considering the amount of money and support the project got from, an admittedly younger audience, i wouldn't be surprised if they changed the "old-internet" appeal, the same way fnaf abandoned it's creepier undertones after it got so many young fans.
As a fan who is part of the community and got the vinyl- it is really sad to see how little info we're getting. On the plus side- I recently got my record earlier this month!
Well the creators stated that they wanted to keep development a secret till launch because they didn’t want to be pressured into launching the game or something like that
@@rinka7114 I know, but this current system isnt working, give us a % of how much they believe they've completed, or tease an instrumental to a song here n' there, or have polls held on kickstarter exclusively on things to be included
with a lot of people pointing out how omori had a similar process, i think people should be more patient with game development omocat had a much larger team working on omori after she found out that rpgmaker development wasn't as easy as she expected, while there's only like 4 people on fnf
Scapper, omocat redid the game multiple times, but she scrapped the first years of development after people called her out for being a shotacon citing posts she made, which uh the game was worryingly close to at that time with omori jacking off and stuff. FNF has defined goals and a defined purpose
@@allseeingirene Undertale literally took 4 years to release from the kickstarter if i remember right, not to mention most company games tend to take 4-5 years to be made, and this is with a huge corporation behind it. Sure this is a simple rhytm game not something like sonic frontiers or anything like that, but game development still take time.
Asking for them to literally just say they're still working on it every few months at the very least is NOT being entitled. Radio silence for over 6 months is completely unreasonable if people gave you money.
I think the recent release of the Vs. Impostor V4 mod is a good reference point. It took THEM over a year to get this update out, working with Innersloth themselves on a mod that has over 50 songs, a currency system, SOME animated cutscenes (some even got scrapped), etc. So depending on the team size, I think it makes sense that it's taking so long, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if GTA VI releases before this game does. And I'd also like to praise for the community for keeping this otherwise dead game alive. Although I also find it funny that there are two fully functional Online VS. mods out there XD
The dev team recieved two million dollars which they could have used to hire more people once the Kickstarter ended. It's sad that large fanmods like V4 are being made in less time than the base game... without any money involved.
Just a quick side point, Innersloth only really gave them chromatics for the characters in Henry's week, a lot of the mod's work was done within their own team
I am a backer, I backed quite a bit so I've been pretty disgruntled. Game development takes time, but that leaves no excuse for the lack of communication from the devs. Obviously, it's on me for backing in the first place, but how things have been going has left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I'm glad that there are fans who are able to enjoy it and mod for it. I play several rhythm games, so I'm hoping things do end up in a better place, but I don't want to get my hopes up. Have yet to get any of the items promised as well.
I just wanna see the game come out. Personally, I would LOVE for mechanics from mods to pop up, it would show just how supportive ninjamuffin is of the modding community, especially since the entire game as of week 7 is completely open source to the public.
Adding mod mechanics is a right rope between,”showing support and appreciation for the community” and “stealing ideas from fans with no credit or payment”
@appleslat9928 I think it really depends on the personality of the devs, but yeah I’d like to see some mod mechanics as well and the devs don’t seem scummy
Good video. I didn't really realize until just how ambitious the goals are. 75 weeks that probably all have 3 songs in them, with remixes of every song, AND cutscenes is insane for a group of 4 people. I just like fnf for the mods since the vanilla game is almost nonexistent in comparison
well, since the 7 weeks are basically a demo, the mods are basically the full game. If you just play through the 7 main weeks, you haven't even come close to understanding fnf and it's seemingly infinite well of banger songs, fun mechanics/charting, and interesting stories.
The team should've definitely waited to release physical media until all the songs are ready. It's hard to update those discs and vinyl with new songs after the fact.
FNF is gonna be one of those situations where the mods will live on longer then the game. Before minecraft had another sudden just boost with updates, it kinda had this mellow phase where it just sorta was popular because of all the cool mods people made.
u sure ppl came back to minecraft only bc of those updates? ever since 1.9 (combat update) it's been getting worse, but it's especially worse now because of the new textures and 1.16.5 modding changing from forge to fabric or whatever. Wish we had the Warden before all of this new stuff.
I could be mistaken on this. But didn’t Minecraft always have mods since the full game was released? I think the only times it didn’t have mods was back during its Alpha and Beta stages?
@@odeiofunkdeputariarum851 they don't give the desired things. Thats straight up stealing. But in this case, it probably because it's a lot of work so you have to wait....
@@krakennvlyat you can't say "never got it" it's not like they completely disappeared off the internet, it's just gonna take them a LONG time before they can release something
Honestly I never in any way expected timeliness or seriousness from their updates, I grew up following newgrounds creators and I learned that they always deliver, just never when they say or when you want.
Most Newgrounds creators also don't make Kickstarters for their projects or ask any money for them though. Once you create a kickstarter that receives 2 million dollars from 60,000 backers you have an obligation to fulfill the Kickstarter in a reasonable amount of time and keep people updated on the project. Not be utterly silent and make promises that continue to go unfulfilled. Genuinely if the devs recieved no money for fnf I wouldn't be complaining right now, and I doubt most people would be as well.
@@flandrescarlet506 You're high if you think no newgrounds dev has ever asked for money before hand, or has a patreon. This is a small team making a massive rhythm game that will be twice as long and feature full than AAA rhythm games, so its going to take a long while.
The game is still being developed, so I don't think we've seen the end of FnF, not by a long shot. From the tidbits of what we've seen such as the cutscenes and the new "Erect" songs for each week, I think FnF can make a comeback if the news update is worth all the waiting time.
The developers have clearly moved on (as noted by them seeming to start new projects, look at ninjamuffin's newgrounds page), and the GitHub (where the code for the project goes whenever a change has been made to the game) hasn't received an update in six months, and that update was to fix a spelling mistake in the readme. The project is dead and the fact that people are still holding onto hope that it's not dead is honestly hilarious.
And I’m starting to remember when one of my friends on discord advised us to not back this kickstarter. She was saying it was over ambitious and with everything being promised it sounded like it could collapse on itself and be a scam. To be fair, she wasn’t saying don’t support them, just that the kickstarter was getting so blown out of the water it might not be able to make a landing
I hope the team doesn't fault on the 'mental health' epidemic thing that is being pushed so much in social media. That team better be ready to let that $2 Million go back to their rightful owners and accept the backlash they would deserve as a result. Or get their asses in gear cause you can't just fault 'mental health' on their inabilities not when you are messing with $2 Million dollars that don't belong to you. Let alone, you can't 'mental health' you way out of this when you mess with the money of others in general.
I want someone here in the comments to notify me when the game comes out in the future, or when something terrible happens that involves the game in the future.
I feel like this could be an OMORI/Silk Song situation, well very little updates then a masterpiece. They did bite a lot more than they could've ever expected
Look at Omori's Kickstarter. They had detailed updates every 1-4 months that showed off game progress, transparency regarding what might be holding back progress (such as the engine needing to be upgraded of making things difficult), concepts for the game in the works (such as updated battle systems), new characters, things going on behind the scenes with the team, and much more. There was one ten months break between updates for Omori in 2018/2019, but that's it. Omori had communication issues but their Kickstarter updates look like a masterpiece in comparison to fnf updates, which are just about merch and share little info with backers about what's going on with the game that's been in the works for two years.
i literally had no idea what Friday night funkin was until all the annoying kids on social media kept talking about it.... Thought the FNF acronym was people just misspelling FNAF 💀
I do hope that they start to give us more serious development updates in the future. As someone who pledged 15$ for the early bird deal, I don’t have a huge problem if this project falls through. Despite that, I do wish the developers my best and hope they can exceed with their goals. I have not played fnf in a long while, but I still really enjoy the game and I’m excited to see more official content.
As a person working on animated series by myself, I don't blame them for taking so long. Putting up high expectations can put a lot on people. It sure as hell is putting a lot of pressure on me and it doesn't help that there's no people who want to voice act. :"< So it's taking even longer. So I don't blame them.
This video and what I've seen so far of the "angered" fans has to be the second worst case of horribly spoiled and extremely entitled gamers I've ever seen.
I've been with FnF since it first became popular. I pitched in $50 for the Kickstarter. I also follow all the devs on Twitter. For the love of God, please just be patient. This same exact thing is what happened to Omori. The game took a long time, but in the end it was amazing. I think of games like a hunk of meat. The longer you slow cook it, the better it'll taste.
@@sleekyissleepy mostly. I kinda jumped to conclusions, ill admit. However, my comment wasn't for the vids creator, it was for the ppl who just rag on the game for no reason claiming its a "scam".
On one hand I tottaly understand how hard it is to deliver all the perks AND make the game. But if they're not even trying to be a little serious about it I can't help but be annoyed by it. If I had spent my hard earned money on this just to be hit with 1 and a half YEAR delay on just the physical music I'd be extremely bitter.
There was an update that just dropped today on this Kickstarter. It's still not much, but it basically announced that there is a solid pipeline for updates and a blog to help with communicating with the community
FNF was something a lot of my friends use to play in 2021 and I am someone who really misses 2021 and through 2022 I cried thinking about 2021 multiple times and I’ve always wondered what happened to it and I really hope it gains popularity again
As soemone who sometimes watches WickedWiz's "What went wrong?" series, I immediately felt that this is not going to be a story where fans get what they want, not easily anyways.
I’m still glad to be part of the community. The mods are just getting better and better with high-effort projects from the community such as FNF: Lullaby, and Indie Cross.
This is a good example of why scope is so important in making a game. A creator has 48 hours to make a game, so they make sure it isn't too big. If you have a year, make sure you don't try to make that big of a game, because though that might seem like a lot of time, it really goes by quickly.
I honestly wonder how they felt once they realized what a massive magnitude this passion project brought upon the Internet The feeling was prob even more overwhelming than they anticipated
It’s so weird looking back on this fandom after being out of it for at least a year. I was really into it back in its heyday, and thought that I’d still enjoy it when it fully released in a few years. Well, those years have come and gone and now I barely care about the game anymore. The fandom got so toxic that I just left. It died before it even fully released. Pretty darn sad…
Honestly the way they’ve handled the project reminds me of a middle schooler trying to do homework. Making excuses and saying it’s almost done while doing absolutely nothing. Video aside, it took me until the end of it to realize this was TheRealSullyG! Great work making this Sully!
@Resean Yeah, as a backer it's pretty frustrating. For the most part they just share merch updates on the kickstsrter, and when they do share info pertaining to the game it's small and insultingly vague. The kickstarter last recieved an update in July still, which is frustrating because Ninjamuffin promised to update the kickstarter on New Year's... and he didn't.
@@flandrescarlet506 Why do you think they didn't? They update something, and the fanbase decides to make a mod out of it, which is why we are only getting vague updates about the game.
I'm sure the full game will do extraordinarily well if they focus on the game they want to make, and not what fans push onto them. Though, accepting some fan feedback on how to make the game better wouldn't hurt, as long as it's not overboard. Though, I will say that it's a shame that they don't pay attention to mods of the game. Because there are some really good ideas that would be amazing to see in the full game. But like I said, we like the game because of what THEY made. So I'm excited to see what they come up with.
Finding this video 6 months late and for all intents and purposes it's still up to date. FNF hasn't told us a damn thing of relevance, even on their pointless blogsite that circumvents the backer updates page.
Just found this channel, i like your straight forwardness, non-biased attitude towards them. understanding they bit off more than they could chew. Thanks, man!
This is why subcontractors exist. If the FNF crew was a bit more savvy, they'd contact a game development studio that works with publishers to assist with development and marketing and even organization. With that kind of money, they can and should hire more help.
@@jackxson6109 I read their blog and read that they hired people. They promised an update to Kickstarter backers on January 1st and failed to deliver, and have still yet to share substantial game progress. The blog says they're thinking about updating the input system and have an in-progress mod loader, that's great... but how far along is the game? When can we expect a demo? It's been two years and we've yet to receive any substantial information about the game's progress.
I honestly can't hate the FNF team for how they responded to this. FNF skyrocketed in popularity nearly instantly and I can understand that they wanted to create a project but clearly overestimated their ability and underestimated how much people were willing to support them. I do genuinely hope the team manages to get their shit together and get the ball rolling.
A lot of people in the comments don’t understand clearly what’s been going on in the backgrounds for the funkin crew. The truth is that they had to actually make a company and had to do a FUCK TON of legal shit that’s not been fully getting in the way but still getting in the way of developing the game. They want to focus on delivering the backer stuff first before focusing on the game. Also,check their accounts y’all. That’s where you can get more updates about this stuff. They have been also hiring people for game dev,including a modder in the community. So,needless to say,the guys have been busy. Also,that date for the game’s release on kickstarter was for the game if it only hit 60k. I get people want to see stuff but Phantom Arcade said they actually want to surprise people with the stuff they have been cookin and not deal with people making mods using their assets,like what happened with week 8. People need to learn to be patient and look in other places for info. Also,the actual release date is probably gonna be in the late 2020’s.
Takes me a whole year to create a 10min episode with 20 straight lines imagine the amount of time it take to make a whole company produce 72 songs create 72 cuts energy and code all of that and all of the new features of the game bro and robtop is currently working on 2.2 of gd which haven't released yet in 3+ years, coding takes a lot of time especially to make a whole game people must realize this
@@PlutoNonary Again,the thing is,they have communicated to the community up until December last year on Twitter. It’s just that people have been focusing more on the kickstarter and not checking their Twitter. Also,they don’t want to mention anything about content for the game because they don’t want people to mod it in countless times and ruin the surprise for people.
in defense of the physical media part, it has been shipping since like, november or december, which is when i got my stuff. also phantom arcades streams, newgrounds posts, and various twitter threads werent taken into account
The physical media could have been released much sooner if not for the utter incompetence of Ninjamuffin somehow giving Needlejuice records the wrong customer information. Kickstarter backers should also not have to leave Kickstarter in order to find out information about the project they backed. The point of Kickstarter updates is to inform backers about progress on the project, which for whatever reason is not being utilized. The devs never told Kickstarter backers that they must watch streams, look at Twitter, and ect. for updates. It is assumed all game updates will be posted to Kickstarter, as that's how Kickstarters work.
And people complained about Omori. At least Omocat was taking it seriously and trying to get the game out. These people are just like “oh well” or “oh yeah it’ll be out but we were lying lol get rekt”
I got my father into Friday night Funkin and for my birthday he was going to donate so I could get the benefits. I kinda glad he missed the closing date for the kickstarter.
It’s weird to me. The biggest issue with FNF development is that I feel it’s a never ending race. How can you make the best version of the game, when the fandom is doing it 1000 times better & innovated. At first it blown the waters in the first few weeks. Then the community caught up the same time week 7 dropped. Now it’s been a long time since then, and you see this game’s fandom doing all sorts of insane things and mechanics we never expected from base game. So the devs have to innovate to too that so it don’t seem underwhelming, but at the same time not give into what the fandom wants. Rather what they want. As for the kickstarter stuff, yeah. I feel like they set themselves up for too much, and couldn’t live up to it right now. At the same time, this game could take ages to finish with what they had originally planned. So who knows the outcome of this.
people expect too much out of indie devs, i swear. its a team of like 4 to 6 people with real lives and whatnot from newgrounds, give them time. also, they *have* given people things, they just got turned into mods by the fans so the surprise isn't there anymore and they went quiet because of it.
Did you not even watch the video? Lmao The issue at hand is not necessarily the delays, but the utter lack of professionalism. Watch the video and you should understand.
I am a big backer of this project, I backed 200 bucks for some tasteful merchandise, and am pretty upset I haven't gotten it yet. Though I personally think that everything promised will be provided... eventually... and I fully agree with that last statement; once the dust settled, all that was left was 4 young adults, a big promise, and 58 thousand people to please.
Honestly same. While I'm not mad with the lack of updates, I do chuckle since by the time I backed the Kickstarter I have moved twice since then. Crazy how the time flew. And besides I did manage to grab a copy of the official soundtrack on minidisc. So I think that can satisfy me for a bit longer.
I payed $40 and I did get the CD. They’re not scammers, I think they weren’t expecting how many backers and how much money they were going to get and kind of panicked and “fumbled the bag”. I think they’re trying to focus on the kickstarter rewards so the supporters don’t feel ripped off which unfortunately is drawing them away from the game.
I’ve always thought this could happen what was promised in the kickstarter seemed to be overwhelming for a small game dev team and now it’s been more than a year and we still have nothing 😐
I mean they're very obviously working on it and we don't see much gameplay because they said they want to surprise us Take VS Impostor V4 as an example They took over a year to make the update, with a giant team and even innersloth themselves helping them. Now image VS Impostor V4 but made by an WAY smaller team with WAY more work to do, 1 year isn't that big when you realize how hard it is to develop a game, regardless of it being a 40 hour long fps or a goofy rhythm game. yes it is their fault for making promises without actually thinking if they could fufill it in time, but still, people expect a little too much from this small group of friends
a good way too develop a game is too keep the scope manageable during the development cycle so that the devs dont get overburdened i think hollow knight is a masterclass on game development in this regard the devs design philosophy was too always focus on expanding the size of the game, but making sure to focus on the most important, fundamental areas before delving into any additions/side content. this allowed them to add as much extra content as they wanted, but without worrying as much about being overwhelmed by their work; they could basically stop development of the game at any time, and have a complete product on their hands. in addition to this, a lot of the kickstarter rewards were added in free post-release expansion packs, so they wouldnt have to worry about those additions while developing the base game. smart decisions like this is how team cherry was able to craft one of the largest, well-crafted metroidvanias in history with only a three-person development team.
@@suspiciousamogus The FNF devs recieved 2 million dollars though. Seriously what is stopping the FNF dev team from hiring more people to make the team as large as some of the teams behind fan mods? If V4 could make 50 tracks, a currency system, art and animations in a year... what is stopping the FNF team from hiring more people to make FNF happen in a shorter, more reasonable amount of time? They received 2 million dollars and have an obligation to 60,000 kickstarter backers. Modders work for free (sometimes slight pay if art or something is commissioned) and have no obligations to make anything.
@@flandrescarlet506 well seeing as ninja muffin is currently “talking with their lawyers” over funky Friday ( Roblox game ) getting sponsored by sonic prime I think they are just making excuses at this point
@@flandrescarlet506 $2 mil worth of employees can easily be drained in a year or two. And for comparing V4 to the actual game, there is a huge gap, with a minimum of 60 songs confirmed and along with those songs and previous songs, there will be erect difficulty remixes for all of them. This is not including the new gameplay mechanics, online leaderboards (which cost to run), cutscenes, a 2 player system, their own art and animation, collabs, and more, this is not a project that can be resolved just by throwing money at it. With Kawaii Sprite and his music, FNF has always been first and foremost about its beats and art, so you can't bumrush the creative direction the team has in mind for FNF development. Just like Omori, this is a project that will need time to get right.
I think Kickstarter's stretch goals are a problem. They cause creators to overpromise so they can secure more funding. And the stretch goals are usually neglected or forgotten entirely
I personally think the people saying this will be like the OMORI situation and that it will be fine when the end product releases are excusing the absolutely poor communication on the games progress, it should not be the standard that backers have to sit and not know if the game they funded their hard earned money into is actually being worked on in a productive manner or not.
I definitely think it doesn’t excuse it, I don’t think it was good the Omori developers did that either, but you can’t really deny the fact it’s awfully similar. The main thing I don’t understand is why the developers can’t give more proper updates, I mean in the Omori case it was because of orders given by Omocat but idk what the reason is with FNF
Yeah, I agree. It's kind of unfortunate we're in an era where creators could have a lot more direct communication with their community, but a lot decide not to, or do it on other platforms rather than the ones their backers gravitated toward.
I do hope they manage to get all this out. I never even thought about it, but this tiny team of new devs promised a LOT of cool stuff... They were definitely not prepared. Once the game comes out, i hope itll be good
I used to play this game all the time in my Sophomore year of HS (2020-2021 school year), but I stopped playing like during 2021 Summer because the game was getting old. Thank god the mod community is around to make the game more FUN
The issue I see is that a lot of indie creators (and it's horribly prevalent with the ones that started on Flash websites) is that they lack management skills and understanding. The result is that when their work go from "passion project" to "actual business", they fail to properly plan their resource spending, and they treat their "financial backers" as "fans" who'll perfectly understand if they goof off.
FNF seems to be going through what I call the 'Minecraft cycle' - it was very popular, then kids started to like the game so it was associated with cringe, and it will eventually become popular again and the cycle continues.
If this video taught me anything, it's the following: - Always be prepared for the unexpected - Don't promise too many things at once, they'll all pile up in the end - Know what you're promising, be realistic with your promises - Take video game development seriously... at least three times more seriously than the Friday Night Funkin' developers
It's been over a year since this video was posted, so here's my update: czcams.com/video/5bRvbO87iBE/video.html
I love how I found this video today, and I look in the comments and see an update video.
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I feel like this is going to be an Omori situation.
It will probably take a long time to make and people will be asking for their money back and when it releases, everyone will like it.
exactly what I thought
Exactly
My thoughts exactly tbh
Yeah I thought the same thing
this could end up like omori...
or like Mighty No 9....
The vanilla game is pretty much dead but the mod community is still thriving. I'm really not a fan of the game (anymore) but seeing the community still doing well is nice.
I'd say the community is doing far from well
But hey at least we got steady content
its still being worked on but its meant to be a full game so of coarse game hell etc they've been planning a update and such but it got leaked
also phantom has confirmed that cutscenes are being worked on
The community of this game makes me cry in pure, paralyzing, despair...
@@elwiito8242 same.
-Indie game
-Popular with the kids
-Kickstarter page
-Obscene stretch goals
Yup, 4/4
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@@Kenoboi_42 think it out sweety… I know ur a bit slow but read it out
@@mickeyway326 ???
@@mickeyway326 What is your problem
@Mickey Way bro go look for clout elsewhere
This is definitely a case of passionate but inexperienced creator
YOOO RALSEI WASSUP
I hope the team doesn't fault on the 'mental health' epidemic thing that is being pushed so much in social media. That team better be ready to let that $2 Million go back to their rightful owners and accept the backlash they would deserve as a result. Or get their asses in gear cause you can't just fault 'mental health' on their inabilities not when you are messing with $2 Million dollars that don't belong to you. Let alone, you can't 'mental health' you way out of this when you mess with the money of others in general.
Deez nutz
@@JustGolight Amen! They/Them!
@@pedro33226 it's ass
I was so surprised as a backer of this project to see that 99% of the updates are about merch, literally nothing about the game, I think they are overwhelmed by the number of backers and it is getting difficult to send the stuff to all the people, which is a bit sad because it has changed their focus from the game to art and merch. I do not believe we will see the game release anytime soon
I think they really should of tried harder to hire people to help work on the game and get it out faster and to get the physical media done
Nu mă așteptam ca Rafael sa fie aici:))
No they did not switch from the game to merch. They are completely remaking the game engine, improving other stuff, and adding new content on top of that. They said the next update will be a V-Slice
Huh what a sight , mostly the game keeps being popularized by mods so i guess they can dip the idea of actually making the game... for now.
Still , it's easily getting more hate so the developers should step up their game already before its too late.
No fucking way iraphahell typing in perfect English
I don't think it's entirely fair to write the game off as a failure just yet, as the devs are still actively working on it (they provide occasional updates on Twitter), but I fully agree that they're in way over their heads. This is a team of four people, and what they've promised on their kickstarter is incredibly ambitious. I'm not sure if they'll be able to finish the game and deliver on their promises, but I'd like to think that they can and will.
it's not 4 ppl, it's bigger than that
Dude, they have a full corporation now and, have WAY more than 4 people.
@@gdnatrandizzy6314 ay a gd player
20 months with 2 million and multiple people to be working on the game. Sure maybe it's like Duke Nukem Forever development hell.
That would be a good excuse if it wasn't for the fact modders were able to do more with less.
@@GenericPhantom1 Yeah, 45 weeks with erect remixes and different backgrounds and playable characters?
They're able to do that with less?
I think the scariest part of Friday Night Funkin is how hard the game might flop. It feels like the modding community for Friday Night Funkin is going to continue cherry picking every possible feature that could exist within the game, add it within their own individual mods and then when the game drops, you'll be like, "Oh, these are the exploding arrows from the Tricky mod!" "This is the timing space bar taps from Lullaby!" "This is the dodge mechanic that was in Indie Cross!" "This is the life decay mechanic from Sonic.Exe! (Black Sun)"
All of the gameplay mechanics and wonder that they could've put in the game will have been exhausted by the modding community, so when you play the full game, it'll probably just feel like a homage to all of the mods that have been made during the development of FNF and nothing original.
This
not really, except for the final boss maybe.
When I think dodge mechanic my first thought is the QT mod… is that one too old now? 😔
there have been many games and fnf mods that use the same mechanics
they continue to feel fresh because they do it right
if they can do it right then it won't feel dry
Personally I don’t care about the mechanics. They already have something people enjoy in terms of those. Their biggest selling point will be the songs imo and no modded can create those the same as they can.
It reminds me of when Martin (the creator of The Walten Files) reacted to the kickstarter goals and basically said it was ridiculously overambitious and impossible from a dev standpoint and he got loads of hate because of it.
omg...
Tbf he wasn't, and likely still isn't in a position to talk. Martin has also overpromised with his WF series and hasn't put out any content other than merch promo in a year and so (the merch being of questionable quality too), and arguably his project isn't as difficult as this one, not to undermine his work, but definitely not as complicated as a videogame.
I'm not defending the FNF team at all, they set the bar for themselves way too high and are reaping the consequences of it (rightfully so, I'm as disappointed as the next person), but Martin not only threw the first punch, he punched his own reflection
@@mariacamilavega1720 of course! not trying to bring up any drama or anything.
i couldn't remember exactly what martin said and it is true he's been pretty silent on TWF.
i would think martin would have the same progress as Alex with the Mandela catalogue series with videos and things but yeh it was a surprise that nothing has come out. Watching this video reminded me of that little moment in time where he did make a comment on the games development. and i just thought it was an interesting creator to creator mindset
@@TheNinetailes he basically said the whole list of things looked like "development hell", which is true. People started to take issue when he couldn't keep his mouth shut. He kept making snarky remarks and subtweeting the FNF team for a while until Kawai Sprite responded rightfully annoyed telling him to mind his business and to focus on his own series. He's a hypocrite, that's for sure
@@mariacamilavega1720 yeh I remember that and a few bits and pieces, tbh it was just a little thought. Agree that he's a hypocrite tho, as a fan of TWF I'm still waiting for the new video but personally aren't itching to get it.
Internet knew this was gonna happen giving 2 million dollars to a bunch of memers
You can explain half the stuff on the internet with that sentence
@@kirbythingys the other half is giving 2 million dollars to a bunch of multi million dollar companies
Nah internet doesn't learn
They aren't memers. They devs are sill working their ass off and things do always get released when they plan for it to.
Tf you mean memers they hard working people
They’re definitely not scammers. Just willfully unprepared
True
That’s true. Besides, the crew’s plans were just really ambitious and could’ve been a contributing factor
Tbf thats a dumb excuse, they knew how popular the game was and how small and slow the development was going and still kept those ambitious ass promises for the game while not even being able to maintain 1 week per year (tankman)
Cough cough the real deal are the day before cough cough real scammers
i mean tbf theyre an extremely small team
These 4 dudes were trying to stop the moon from crashing down to earth with a tennis racket, saying they bit off more than they could chew is such a complete and wild understatement
Fnf isn't just in development hell, it's in hells boiler room
Yup
They knew what they were doing, They scammed 2 million dollars from 58,000 people.
It is like being bullied by 4 delinquents back when you were 7 years old and several years later, come back to get revenge by dropping a whole nuke onto their country
@@veriousshifter2930 Hiroshima moment
Honestly, their biggest problem is promising too much content, this is a really common mistake indie developers make, so if any upcoming indie developer sees this, only promise stuff you can actually see yourself doing.
exactly. They aren't scammers. But they are very unprepared in making games
Looking back through their awards as well, yeah they in BIG. I mean even their smallest reward of Custom Songs/Character Sharing Network Hub is a HUGE task to add on top of the already planned existed game. Fully animated cutscenes, new difficult with new music arrangements, 15 additional weeks (45 songs), and a 10 week epilogue with 30 extra songs is going to be insanely difficult and back crushing.
Not to mention that their already existing goal to get funded was 20 additional weeks (60 songs), unsure if that was ontop of already existing weeks or if it included the 7 weeks that already exist. Lets just say that it's already included.
So they still have 38 Weeks to work on. Meaning 114 songs. Meaning 342 charts to make for the Easy, Medium, and Hard difficulties. Throwing in the Erect difficulties they now have an additional 45 songs and charts to make as well. Adding to a total of 159 songs and 387 charts. That's the base line of what they have to deliver. But that's everything.
On top of everything I just mentioned. They also have to do a mobile build, Custom Character Creator, Custom Song/Custom Character Sharing Hub, Fully animated cutscenes, and Online Multiplayer.
This is an insane amount to add to your plate and might not even be enough to be funded for 2 million dollars. Not even sure how much taxes took away. Potentially across 10 people right now included musicians.
Don't forget Console Releases, which can contradict modding support, as they will need additional approval from Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo regarding User Generated Content. This would mean that mods like Mario's Madness will never be approved for Consoles.
@@X2011racer i think that the console version will be some sort of "legacy edition" with less content. I just have this feeling
say that to Hakita. he made a game that was VERY successful, and the full game isn't even out yet.
as a game developer myself, i can feel their pressure
Hi game developer
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Hello game developer
as a nongame developer myself, I can feel their pressure
Hi game developer
This reminds me soooo much of the Omori kickstarter. Omocat also was promising the world without realizing how much work this would actually amount to. That and her team really poorly handling communication with the backers, led to a severe downwards spiral that left backers feeling like they got scammed and some even trying to take legal actions.
The game did come out in the end and was pretty good, but its kickstarter clearly showed how overambition and miscommunication can quickly escalate. Especially when the devs bit off more than they could chew
Yeah, I also immediately thought of the Omori kickstarter. Thank goodness Omori turned out to be one of my favorite games ever but I agree, Omocat was very unprepared.
@@puiu102006 omori wasnt even that great
@@RHY5IE bruh
@@jeddybongo... u wanna say sumn?
@@RHY5IE bruh
Mods are basically keeping this game alive at this point.
Barely-
@@zammyto not barely it is thriving like millions of views and etc. cuse of the mods right now
@@erasaesvaranrajkumar2017 I stopped keeping up with the Fandom but this is nice to hear kinda I am getting tired of searching for fnaf and then getting fnf
pretty much the same for project diva
Who wants to join me in making a mod.
I really hope this ends up being a situation like Omori where the game might take forever to release, but at least ends up being a really great game at the point it comes out.
thought the creator of that game was seriously controversial lol
@@lostinthemesozoiccreator of which game?
@@16016__tartOmori, Apparently they were involved in some pretty nonce-like shenanigans in the past? Idk the whole story though so take it with a grain
@@soggybozo1515 Oh, yes, I saw something about in CZcams but I didn't think much of it though.
Thanks for telling!
If it takes too long to release then people will simply forget about it.
Quick update: On February 11th, we finally got our first Kickstarter update in over 6 months. Pins haven't started manufacturing yet, and are still another 2 months out.
Cool
lez gogo
The Funkin-ing is upon us.
Cool
Bruh
I agree that they bit off more than can chew.
However, the game is still being developed, so I wouldn't say they actually failed at all. There were even livestreams recently that are talking about the development while sketching stuff.
The only thing they failed on imo was communication.
Saying FNF failed is like saying that OMORI failed (which they also failed on communication), and that eventually came out.
So I am confident that we all just need to be very... very... very... patient. And eventually FNF will come out.
patience is a virture few can afford... or how that saying goes.
games not even out yet either, failure aint possible rn anyways lol
Yeah this is 100% seems like an Omori situation
Was about to comment the same thing, it's been 2 years guys chill
The game will come out for about 6 years
@@TheHENOOB Who knows? Maybe it'll come out in 8.
This seems to be the same story behind many hyped up, overfunded, and overpromised kickstarter games that don't meet deadlines and struggle with fulfilment, and certainly won't be the last. I haven't played it, but Omori seems to be one of the more famous examples alongside FNF.
Omori came out and is highly rated and popular?
@@RolandTheJabberwocky Yes? (I think you may have misunderstood my comment. Omori had the same struggle with meeting deadlines and fulfilment as FNF, along with poor communication leading to people claiming it was a scam until the game finally came out. I fully expect that FNF will be highly rated and popular if/when it comes out, just like Omori).
@@petershillito oh I see, yeah I misunderstood the point you were trying to make.
crowdfunding can definitely be a double-edged sword
if your game gets overhyped, it ends up putting a lot more pressure on the devs to deliver on the fan's expectations
this can lead to delays as the scope of the game increases to meet their audience's increasing demands
and when the game does eventually come out, even if its received really positively, there will inevitably be people who are left disappointed by the final product due to having higher expectations
Don’t the phantom arcade streams count as some form of communication since he does it very often and answers many questions people have.
From standpoint of the devs, creating the ideal FNF for the final release is hard, literally.
FNF community is *truly* thriving, starting from Original Mods & songs, HD Fanmade remaster sprites, and even Something such as improved Source code made by fan which has better input speed, ETC&ETC.
If the devs creates a full FNF game that doesn't reach Playerbase expectations, you know what mess they will faced against.
Meanwhile the game got Ridiculous Support, and now the devs put under pressure as well.
The reason why they don't put any progress showcase on any social media, is possibly to keep the people expectations stagnant, low possibly.
Hyping player expectations by giving leaks and updates will result in similar case of "No man sky"
A modder also had stole week 8 stuff that had been show in streams before, and made a mod of it claiming they made the assets, which is even more reason to not show too much content.
exactly, and as much as it was to build up hype for the new week, that was still a pretty ass thing for the modder to do
As a massive fnf fan and a person who has went out of their way to find as much information as possible about what is going on with the game. I can say that they are still working on it and it is not a scam. Firstly they reveal a lot of information about the game not on the kickstarter but through other way like streaming working on the game and through tweets. The reason they don't reveal any teasers or anything anymore is because the modding community will take the assets and make mods out of them for clout which already happen with the pico week leaks from a while back and they were not happy. 2nd: About the game itself they release a new pico week last April which infamously got delayed because phantom arcade said the reason why they delayed it was to make sure it as great as possible and have more stuff. The update itself is set to be releasing this year around April - June and will contain week 8 which will be an oc and the pico week that was tease will be an alternative week 3 where you play as pico and learn his story before the events of week 3 and every current song will get an erect remix (3 of which have already been uploaded by Kawaii Sprite). As of right now that is all we think will be in the week 8 update and looks to be the final update to the demo before they fully start working on the full game. 3rd: As for the kickstarter merch it looks to be that everyone is getting their stuff this year and even some have said they already got it. The reason why is because I believe only the 2 main artists phantom arcade and evilsk8r are working on the merch art and both of them are known for taking a long time with their art. Though I can say it was worth it since the art looks amazing. 4th: They have hired people to work on the game. We really only know one as of now which is EliteMasterEric (a programmer) and it looks like they are waiting for the update to come out to reveal the rest. Overall while yes the game is taking a long time to come out I definitely know the game isn't a scam and the devs are working hard to make this the best game possible and the devs like surprises (which is why week 7 came out of now where) so I think they will surprises the internet with this game. I rather wait years for an amazing game than months for buggy bad game. Hope this comment answers any questions people have had about where this game has been. Obviously I am not a dev so idk the full story but this is what I was able to get from what the devs have said since then.
damn sawbutt, it's lengthy, but it's understandable
This guy can’t be a real person
@@unnamed9482 don't treat sawbutt like that. just don't. please.
he's gone that much slander ever since his presence in twitter a month back, and i feel bad about him
@@infineoinfinite I was simply quoting Binej Yeah Newgrounds, friend. Take up any complaints you have against me with mr quid.
@@unnamed9482 oh, i thought-
you got me good
They clearly weren't expecting 2 MILLION dollars of goals met. They were all underestimating how big their community was, and now they've basically promised a bunch of stuff that a team of four can't really do in this short of a time frame. Give them time and I'm sure it'll come out some day, ideally like Omori or both Hollow Knights.
Let's just hope it won't be like Yandere Simulator.
Edit: I'd like everyone to keep out of the replies now. They're super toxic on both sides on the argument and I'd really prefer that not ALL of my notifications come from this single comment.
Edit 2: go play pizza tower instead of commenting on this
hopefully not hollow knight lmao that game is ass, fnf in its current state is the most mediocre indie game in existance but if they can actually make it something good that would be cool. it's totally a scam though lmao
@@tverculosis5022 wow okay
It’s giving Homestuck.
I came here to say this. I’m not a fan of FNF but it hasn’t even been two years since the Kickstarter reached its goal. I can plainly see that with the scope of what they want and the size of their team it’s gonna take at least several more years, that does not mean they are not working on it. People need to chill and stop assuming the worst of the devs.
@@tverculosis5022 hollow knight is amazing bro
I feel the biggest problem with Friday night funkin is that mods have shown how fast people can pump out content and bangers of songs with just mere months or sometimes weeks. So it’s making everyone just give up on them and want a refund.
(Btw I am just pointing out the majority folks)
There are mods made within days, some even within hours.
Obviously, the talent of the people working and the time put on the mods are what define their quality, as no mod is equal to the rest, but the timeframe is still crazy.
Lets remember its still a team of like 4 people who are usually very laid back
Yeah but those modmakers have a bigger team
@@medjaimcgraw5632 yes vs 1 person working on it. I don't see your point .
@@Viivlet There are mods made by a single person too.
this game is the perfect example of getting too popular for its own good, there was zero chance of the kickstarter not having some kind of disaster happen.
It’s so cute seeing kids with anime profile pictures try to say things
@@mcduck9458 it's so cute how you try to sound condescending and smart but you couldn't actually refute nothing that he said, nor give an example on how is wrong lmao
@mysterm_official ok
@@mcduck9458it's so cute seeing kids getting angry and attacking people pfps just because they don't know how to argue
As a dev that is one of my greatest fear… getting to popular and having to many eyes on me… so many expectations…
I feel like the mods are the only thing keeps FNF alive.
Honestly if it wasn't for the fan mods this game would have lost relevancy a year or so ago. The base game hasn't received an update in nearly two years and most recent fanmods completely blow the base game out of the water. If the modding scene dies, which it very well may by the time fnf actually releases, nobody will care about the project anymore. I've noticed the modding scene has been slowing down recently from its hayday of 2021 - early/mid 2022 as well, so the devs are running out of time...
there 30% mods did make fnf alive while
70% shipping, making uncomfortable mods and NSFW
And simping over character
Ong. The mods are really the only thing keeping it alive. If the mods never existed this game would have faded out of relevancy a year ago
@@nothingtoseehere6502 Considering that the second example exists in pretty much every franchise, I'ma say that's a pretty big exaggeration-
@@nothingtoseehere6502 what kind of take is this
As someone who has spent money on the kickstarter and has not received my rewards for the enamel pin tier, I just wish they would give us more updates. The fact that it's consistently dead news for months at a time seriously kills my patience since I'm not being told what's going on behind the scenes. If they're working hard, I would like to know. I understand that the project is bigger than they ever imagined, but I'm sure they would get much less hate if they actually took the time to update people often.
it fell off on release LOL
They have been apparently consistently updating elsewhere, but oops, they literally told nobody where these updates were being made and in fact seem to not give a shit about making sure people know and then being shocked when people are mad at them.
@@jerm70 Yeah.
Why would u waste your money on that💀
@@papingosstudios161 I liked what they were doing, liked the music, and it was a simple rhythm game that I could play. If it's something I would end up enjoying, $35 is a pretty normal amount to drop on a game these days. I did happen to get perks alongside it so not a bad deal. My main issue is simply just a lack of communication.
I want to at least wish the Funkin' dev team a good luck. It's gonna be hard managing a successful kickstarter, and a full game. Even though I hate it's toxic fandom, the base game is what I think is truly the main course. I think this video actually summarizes when a game concept is successful, and it leaves people with so much ambition. Epic video! New Sub!
I loved the funny little rap battle simulator when it first came out. People quickly forgot that it was supposed to be a rap battle simulator. Next thing you know, people have spent almost 2.25 million dollars on something and they haven't gotten an update to the status of the game (not even a little bit of gameplay) in almost two years.
Honestly,while the community is partially absolutely terrible and doesn't seem to be getting much better,at this point i'd much rather give my money to any of the fantastic teams behind even more fantastic mods than the og game.
I love and hate this game for it's fandom. The fandom created Whitty, but then they destroyed him
Also the fandom wouldn't be nearly as bad if more than one out every 3 devs weren't secretly creepy pedophiles.
@@gormless-idiot I’m pretty sure there’s been some leaks if you search for it. Things like the assets for Nene and Darnell for instance you can find on twitter or here on CZcams.
There’s also Phantom Arcades streams, like the one where he was animating the intro for the game and some other things. The devs also clearly still do acknowledge the game and show care for it. As there are plenty of official comics on it that have been released fairly recently. Also keep in mind absolutely no one had any clue what was gonna happen for Week 7 until PA accidentally slipped up and revealed an image of it. So they’re clearly trying to hide this stuff, hence the lack of teasers.
Honestly…the mods and fandom are the only thing keeping Friday night Funkin from dying
its what made it thrive in the first place
@@woohrp none of the mods wouldn’t exist if the game didn’t exist
@@woohrp the mere existance of the game is what made it thrive in the first place. Everyone else is just trying to keep it alive by using mods
@@coltblaze8114 yeah but like isn't it dead like let's be honest no big CZcamsrs are playing that anymore
@@Ahmad_1799 the fandom is still alive actually but its private
The typos and swearing and laid-back approach to updates for their backers makes this feel like a cartoon where the characters are doing something professional in a stupid way and still succeeding at it somehow. That's the vibe I get from it.
They are being very transparent about the fact that this entire setup was a scam, and somehow people still buy into it.
@@TheSearchForTruth88 - I can see a couple of your other comments on here, and honestly I think you’re interpreting the actions of the devs in the worst light possible. This behavior doesn’t read as “blatant scammer”, it reads as “inexperienced edgelords trying to be funny”. I didn’t fund it (I suck at rhythm games) but I checked the Kickstarter because of this video. They promised 60 new songs, meaning programming, assets, and animations for 20 new levels and more original songs than most Triple A games have. This is also not including all the other random bells and whistles they tacked on. It’s gonna take a lot longer than a year with the size of their team and it was severely naive of anyone to assume that would be possible.
As someone who’s brushed up against a lot of different Kickstarter game scams, people who are intentionally trying to scam others out of their money compose themselves in a way that’s completely different than a team going through production hell. FNF honestly reads as the latter to me. They made promises that they couldn’t fulfill in a timely manner due to being too young and inexperienced. I don’t think they’re actively malicious.
Thats the vibe they should have been giving off until they started actually screwing up.
@@TheSearchForTruth88 average crazed conspirator
@@floobix1 Wheres the conspiracy?
in my opinion, this game was supposed to go in a completely different direction, but due to the outburst of the too-young community, they changed their plans and started all over again
right?? the game, community and other fnf content got soo messy it would be understandable if they actually dropped it
@@hidetski with how much money they received, it wouldn't be understandable, if they just dropped it
It will obviously just take a while longer. I'd rather have a good game with longer development time, than a rushed game
@@hidetski and then they steal a bunch of money if they dropped it..
I can see that, but I sincerely hope not. I feel like much of Funkin's original appeal lies in its crass "old-internet" nostalgia, something that newgrounds has always had in spades. I really hope they don't compromise on that original theme. And while I don't personally think they will based on what little we have to go on right now, I wouldn't be surprised if they did, and that'd make me a little sad.
@@whodistoodis considering the amount of money and support the project got from, an admittedly younger audience, i wouldn't be surprised if they changed the "old-internet" appeal, the same way fnaf abandoned it's creepier undertones after it got so many young fans.
As a fan who is part of the community and got the vinyl- it is really sad to see how little info we're getting.
On the plus side- I recently got my record earlier this month!
Well the creators stated that they wanted to keep development a secret till launch because they didn’t want to be pressured into launching the game or something like that
@@rinka7114 I know, but this current system isnt working, give us a % of how much they believe they've completed, or tease an instrumental to a song here n' there, or have polls held on kickstarter exclusively on things to be included
@@GogglzMUSIC that’s the idea for the blog website
Personally got a VHS tape of the FnF thing back around 2022, forgot when exactly but I think around the time of fall or summer I think.
@@skelebonez1349 bro got the wrong thing
with a lot of people pointing out how omori had a similar process, i think people should be more patient with game development
omocat had a much larger team working on omori after she found out that rpgmaker development wasn't as easy as she expected, while there's only like 4 people on fnf
Scapper, omocat redid the game multiple times, but she scrapped the first years of development after people called her out for being a shotacon citing posts she made, which uh the game was worryingly close to at that time with omori jacking off and stuff. FNF has defined goals and a defined purpose
@@allseeingirene Undertale literally took 4 years to release from the kickstarter if i remember right, not to mention most company games tend to take 4-5 years to be made, and this is with a huge corporation behind it.
Sure this is a simple rhytm game not something like sonic frontiers or anything like that, but game development still take time.
@@RaphielShiraha64 you responded without examining what I wrote lol
Asking for them to literally just say they're still working on it every few months at the very least is NOT being entitled. Radio silence for over 6 months is completely unreasonable if people gave you money.
Shouldve posted Weekly small official leaks or progress to actually prevent the damage
I think the recent release of the Vs. Impostor V4 mod is a good reference point. It took THEM over a year to get this update out, working with Innersloth themselves on a mod that has over 50 songs, a currency system, SOME animated cutscenes (some even got scrapped), etc.
So depending on the team size, I think it makes sense that it's taking so long, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if GTA VI releases before this game does. And I'd also like to praise for the community for keeping this otherwise dead game alive.
Although I also find it funny that there are two fully functional Online VS. mods out there XD
The dev team recieved two million dollars which they could have used to hire more people once the Kickstarter ended. It's sad that large fanmods like V4 are being made in less time than the base game... without any money involved.
Just a quick side point, Innersloth only really gave them chromatics for the characters in Henry's week, a lot of the mod's work was done within their own team
@@damienearl8302 Yeah, Innersloth didn't do much, it was mostly created by the mod team.
@@flandrescarlet506
They literally are hiring people lmao
@@flandrescarlet506 Throwing more people at a game being made isn't gonna necessarily make the game be developed faster.
I am a backer, I backed quite a bit so I've been pretty disgruntled. Game development takes time, but that leaves no excuse for the lack of communication from the devs.
Obviously, it's on me for backing in the first place, but how things have been going has left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I'm glad that there are fans who are able to enjoy it and mod for it.
I play several rhythm games, so I'm hoping things do end up in a better place, but I don't want to get my hopes up. Have yet to get any of the items promised as well.
There is literally a weekly blog thing!1!1!1!
@@beelitz_ where?
@@beelitz_ where?
@@beelitz_ Doesn't the fact that I don't know about the existence of the blog prove that?
I backed too, cause there has been no updates to the game and it started to get boring and is just mid and not fun now
I imagine these guys freaking out for 2 full years non stop or sitting in a dark corner regretting ever promising these things.
Actually they're working their asses off but ok
Don't promise shit you can't keep.
I mean...
@@floobix1 Me and the boys when we post memes on the kickstarter:
(its very hard to make memes, obviously they spend a lot of time and effort on it)
@@floobix1 Feaking out, sitting in a dark corner and working their asses off simultaneously.
@@floobix1 do you know them?
I just wanna see the game come out. Personally, I would LOVE for mechanics from mods to pop up, it would show just how supportive ninjamuffin is of the modding community, especially since the entire game as of week 7 is completely open source to the public.
Adding mod mechanics is a right rope between,”showing support and appreciation for the community” and “stealing ideas from fans with no credit or payment”
@appleslat9928 I think it really depends on the personality of the devs, but yeah I’d like to see some mod mechanics as well and the devs don’t seem scummy
Good video. I didn't really realize until just how ambitious the goals are. 75 weeks that probably all have 3 songs in them, with remixes of every song, AND cutscenes is insane for a group of 4 people. I just like fnf for the mods since the vanilla game is almost nonexistent in comparison
it's not just 4 people the team has expanded a good bit actually
well, since the 7 weeks are basically a demo, the mods are basically the full game. If you just play through the 7 main weeks, you haven't even come close to understanding fnf and it's seemingly infinite well of banger songs, fun mechanics/charting, and interesting stories.
Cope
@@aguyontheinternet8436 banger songs? bf vocals ruin every single song
@@pure_RAGE Well yeah, maybe in your opinion. But in my opinion, I don't mind them much.
The team should've definitely waited to release physical media until all the songs are ready. It's hard to update those discs and vinyl with new songs after the fact.
FNF is gonna be one of those situations where the mods will live on longer then the game. Before minecraft had another sudden just boost with updates, it kinda had this mellow phase where it just sorta was popular because of all the cool mods people made.
u sure ppl came back to minecraft only bc of those updates? ever since 1.9 (combat update) it's been getting worse, but it's especially worse now because of the new textures and 1.16.5 modding changing from forge to fabric or whatever. Wish we had the Warden before all of this new stuff.
I could be mistaken on this. But didn’t Minecraft always have mods since the full game was released? I think the only times it didn’t have mods was back during its Alpha and Beta stages?
Wow game development takes longer than 2 years now holy shit who would’ve thought
Indie game + having a kickstarter should be a meme at this point
nah, “indie game + kickstarter + accidentally stealing thousands of dollars + no updates in years” should
@@krakennvlyat how is it stealing thousands of dollars when people choose to give the money?
@@odeiofunkdeputariarum851 they don't give the desired things. Thats straight up stealing. But in this case, it probably because it's a lot of work so you have to wait....
@@odeiofunkdeputariarum851 they gave the money expecting what was promised on the kickstarter tier they paid for? and never got it
@@krakennvlyat you can't say "never got it" it's not like they completely disappeared off the internet, it's just gonna take them a LONG time before they can release something
Honestly I never in any way expected timeliness or seriousness from their updates, I grew up following newgrounds creators and I learned that they always deliver, just never when they say or when you want.
Most Newgrounds creators also don't make Kickstarters for their projects or ask any money for them though. Once you create a kickstarter that receives 2 million dollars from 60,000 backers you have an obligation to fulfill the Kickstarter in a reasonable amount of time and keep people updated on the project. Not be utterly silent and make promises that continue to go unfulfilled.
Genuinely if the devs recieved no money for fnf I wouldn't be complaining right now, and I doubt most people would be as well.
@@flandrescarlet506 You're high if you think no newgrounds dev has ever asked for money before hand, or has a patreon. This is a small team making a massive rhythm game that will be twice as long and feature full than AAA rhythm games, so its going to take a long while.
@@RolandTheJabberwocky Okay, what are some examples of other Newgrounds-based products asking for money?
@@flandrescarlet506 Binding of Isaac? You know, that insanely popular game that helped start the rogue like craze. Thats all.
@@RolandTheJabberwocky give us another example.
The game is still being developed, so I don't think we've seen the end of FnF, not by a long shot. From the tidbits of what we've seen such as the cutscenes and the new "Erect" songs for each week, I think FnF can make a comeback if the news update is worth all the waiting time.
The developers have clearly moved on (as noted by them seeming to start new projects, look at ninjamuffin's newgrounds page), and the GitHub (where the code for the project goes whenever a change has been made to the game) hasn't received an update in six months, and that update was to fix a spelling mistake in the readme. The project is dead and the fact that people are still holding onto hope that it's not dead is honestly hilarious.
The news update that was supposed to come out (actually PROMISED by Ninja muffin) on January 1st, and still hasn't? Lmao
@@gormless-idiot At this rate the mods are this game's life support
@@gormless-idiot
They lreleased a github website update for the game like the day you made that comment I think
@@Artizap_ nope. I looked at the GitHub and it doesn't have anything new, unless you're not talking about the code.
And I’m starting to remember when one of my friends on discord advised us to not back this kickstarter. She was saying it was over ambitious and with everything being promised it sounded like it could collapse on itself and be a scam. To be fair, she wasn’t saying don’t support them, just that the kickstarter was getting so blown out of the water it might not be able to make a landing
I hope the team doesn't fault on the 'mental health' epidemic thing that is being pushed so much in social media. That team better be ready to let that $2 Million go back to their rightful owners and accept the backlash they would deserve as a result. Or get their asses in gear cause you can't just fault 'mental health' on their inabilities not when you are messing with $2 Million dollars that don't belong to you. Let alone, you can't 'mental health' you way out of this when you mess with the money of others in general.
Honestly, I hope they can make the game. I really like seeing the stuff the modders make and I'd like the community to keep going.
I want someone here in the comments to notify me when the game comes out in the future, or when something terrible happens that involves the game in the future.
@@StanleyNumber427 hey groundbreaking news, they still haven't made it
@@UrielDripper💀
Nofity me
I’ll try to keep u guys updated if I can
I feel like this could be an OMORI/Silk Song situation, well very little updates then a masterpiece.
They did bite a lot more than they could've ever expected
Look at Omori's Kickstarter. They had detailed updates every 1-4 months that showed off game progress, transparency regarding what might be holding back progress (such as the engine needing to be upgraded of making things difficult), concepts for the game in the works (such as updated battle systems), new characters, things going on behind the scenes with the team, and much more. There was one ten months break between updates for Omori in 2018/2019, but that's it. Omori had communication issues but their Kickstarter updates look like a masterpiece in comparison to fnf updates, which are just about merch and share little info with backers about what's going on with the game that's been in the works for two years.
@@flandrescarlet506 Bro ik the pressure they are having is gigant also the game is in the works
@@idk-rl4he Did you read my comment at all or just get two words in to refute the point that you think I made but never did?
Silksong hasn't even released.
masterpiece doesn't seem to be a likely outcome.it's goingtp be fun and substantial, but there's going to be a lot plaguing this game from the getgo
What’s funny is that I feel like, from what I’ve seen/heard, the mod community has basically already made an entire game’s worth of content.
One mod alone was 3 hours long, was an OFFICIAL collab with a huge already known company, and was insanely high quality. (Imposter)
@@kauffythesilly Indie Cross is a bit of a shorter mod, but still VERY high quality.
FNF Online as a mod feels like a perfect progression on the original game in all the right ways.
Fricking mario madness
i literally had no idea what Friday night funkin was until all the annoying kids on social media kept talking about it.... Thought the FNF acronym was people just misspelling FNAF 💀
Same here.
I do hope that they start to give us more serious development updates in the future. As someone who pledged 15$ for the early bird deal, I don’t have a huge problem if this project falls through. Despite that, I do wish the developers my best and hope they can exceed with their goals. I have not played fnf in a long while, but I still really enjoy the game and I’m excited to see more official content.
As a person working on animated series by myself, I don't blame them for taking so long. Putting up high expectations can put a lot on people. It sure as hell is putting a lot of pressure on me and it doesn't help that there's no people who want to voice act. :"< So it's taking even longer. So I don't blame them.
That's cool your doing a series. I am curious about it honestly and i hope it shall do well.
@@thefalloutlord then there's something obviously wrong with you, or your a little child
@@thefalloutlord so a little child💀
This video and what I've seen so far of the "angered" fans has to be the second worst case of horribly spoiled and extremely entitled gamers I've ever seen.
@@Mr.Animemeguythank you, like geez find other things to get into while they’re working on the game.
I've been with FnF since it first became popular. I pitched in $50 for the Kickstarter. I also follow all the devs on Twitter. For the love of God, please just be patient. This same exact thing is what happened to Omori. The game took a long time, but in the end it was amazing. I think of games like a hunk of meat. The longer you slow cook it, the better it'll taste.
Did you even watch the video?
@@sleekyissleepy mostly. I kinda jumped to conclusions, ill admit. However, my comment wasn't for the vids creator, it was for the ppl who just rag on the game for no reason claiming its a "scam".
A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game will never be good
@@insanitywarsgaming4663 Cyberpunk 2077
I know this is not related at all but that’s not true, well done meat tastes like rubber
welp its 2024, im watchin this vid, and still... nothing
*clears throat*
This game is pretty much on life support and the mods are keeping it alive.
mods are barely keeping it alive it's more like, making the death slower, fnf did something, but young kids like my sister made it annoying.
The mods are more like rom hacks tbh
@@staringcorgi6475 that's literally what mods are. Rom hacks are hacks for games
@@CyberAtlasX1 oh because I associate mods with adding to the main game
@@staringcorgi6475 They can but it sounds like you're conflating mods with expansions.
On one hand I tottaly understand how hard it is to deliver all the perks AND make the game. But if they're not even trying to be a little serious about it I can't help but be annoyed by it. If I had spent my hard earned money on this just to be hit with 1 and a half YEAR delay on just the physical music I'd be extremely bitter.
this is what happens when you take a bunch of members, give them heaps of cash, and expect them to be a bunch of Mr. Responsibles
This is why you dont promise this much so quickly people get impatient
There was an update that just dropped today on this Kickstarter. It's still not much, but it basically announced that there is a solid pipeline for updates and a blog to help with communicating with the community
That's code for, "time to beg for more money!"
@@yummygoy5138 how?
@@whosrizumu9401 Wdym how open your eyes lmao
@@yummygoy5138 they never asked for money past the kickstarter tho?
@@yummygoy5138 explain it if you cant even explain how then shushhhh
When the Kickstarter update fully releases it'll probably blow up again for a very short amount of time
Explained this very well thanks for the update ❤️
Saw you share this in the kick-start comments love the production value thank you for the info
I agree with you that they bit off more than they could chew. I understand wanting to be ambitious, but you also have to have realistic goals.
Yeah but at least they could have said oh hey we are taking forever on the album cover or hey we didn't think we would get this much money etc
@@thedarktypevenoct3403 they have said all that, but they decided to man up and push through to get the game done
FNF was something a lot of my friends use to play in 2021 and I am someone who really misses 2021 and through 2022 I cried thinking about 2021 multiple times and I’ve always wondered what happened to it and I really hope it gains popularity again
Well, ever since I found out about a mod that literally was about somebody suicide I don’t know about the popularity coming back
As soemone who sometimes watches WickedWiz's "What went wrong?" series, I immediately felt that this is not going to be a story where fans get what they want, not easily anyways.
"the failure of" i wonder why
@@andrix7777 Oh lol, didn't see the title
The fans will get what they want, just not exactly when they expect it(which goes for both the devs and the fans)
Lol, yeah... I won't be surprised if FNF winds up on his channel.
I’m still glad to be part of the community. The mods are just getting better and better with high-effort projects from the community such as FNF: Lullaby, and Indie Cross.
Lullaby is cancelled
@@numbuh1507 Yeah I know. We still got a lot of good content out of the build.
underfunkin too
don't forget Hotline 024 and Among Us v4
Anyone know the name of the song at the end of the video?
After watching the video, it sounds like another example where a kickstarter project grew bigger than the devs can imagine.
to this day ppl still havent gotten their rewards, 2024 is in a few days 😭
Nope? Never will happen. All the money was spent on drugs
This is a good example of why scope is so important in making a game.
A creator has 48 hours to make a game, so they make sure it isn't too big.
If you have a year, make sure you don't try to make that big of a game, because though that might seem like a lot of time, it really goes by quickly.
I honestly wonder how they felt once they realized what a massive magnitude this passion project brought upon the Internet
The feeling was prob even more overwhelming than they anticipated
i like how all of the yt chapters have images Sully talking mid sentence with his hand up
It’s so weird looking back on this fandom after being out of it for at least a year. I was really into it back in its heyday, and thought that I’d still enjoy it when it fully released in a few years. Well, those years have come and gone and now I barely care about the game anymore. The fandom got so toxic that I just left. It died before it even fully released. Pretty darn sad…
Honestly the way they’ve handled the project reminds me of a middle schooler trying to do homework. Making excuses and saying it’s almost done while doing absolutely nothing.
Video aside, it took me until the end of it to realize this was TheRealSullyG! Great work making this Sully!
I didn't know they were being so immature about everything
Now I feel way less sympathetic about the backlash they're getting.
the crack money!!!
I'm glad this video is opening more people's eyes to the bullshit going on lmao
I was surprised to hear that the Exclusive Kickstarter News was just the developers joking all the time. Like dude.....
@Resean Yeah, as a backer it's pretty frustrating. For the most part they just share merch updates on the kickstsrter, and when they do share info pertaining to the game it's small and insultingly vague.
The kickstarter last recieved an update in July still, which is frustrating because Ninjamuffin promised to update the kickstarter on New Year's... and he didn't.
@@flandrescarlet506 Why do you think they didn't? They update something, and the fanbase decides to make a mod out of it, which is why we are only getting vague updates about the game.
I'm sure the full game will do extraordinarily well if they focus on the game they want to make, and not what fans push onto them. Though, accepting some fan feedback on how to make the game better wouldn't hurt, as long as it's not overboard.
Though, I will say that it's a shame that they don't pay attention to mods of the game. Because there are some really good ideas that would be amazing to see in the full game. But like I said, we like the game because of what THEY made. So I'm excited to see what they come up with.
Finding this video 6 months late and for all intents and purposes it's still up to date. FNF hasn't told us a damn thing of relevance, even on their pointless blogsite that circumvents the backer updates page.
Just found this channel, i like your straight forwardness, non-biased attitude towards them. understanding they bit off more than they could chew. Thanks, man!
Hearing "back in 2021" just made me feel like a relic. I'm not even that old, at all.
This is why subcontractors exist. If the FNF crew was a bit more savvy, they'd contact a game development studio that works with publishers to assist with development and marketing and even organization. With that kind of money, they can and should hire more help.
They already hired a lot of new devs.
@@jackxson6109 Considering the lack of updates, it doesn't show.
@@flandrescarlet506 They’re working on backend stuff, and getting used to managing a team of people. Read their blog.
@@jackxson6109 I read their blog and read that they hired people. They promised an update to Kickstarter backers on January 1st and failed to deliver, and have still yet to share substantial game progress. The blog says they're thinking about updating the input system and have an in-progress mod loader, that's great... but how far along is the game? When can we expect a demo? It's been two years and we've yet to receive any substantial information about the game's progress.
@@flandrescarlet506 true
And here i thought Friday Night Funkin' was a complete game with a lot of mods made by fans. But wow, the full game isn't even out.
My hope hasn't died, but my bank account certainly has now.
Time to live under the bridge.
I honestly can't hate the FNF team for how they responded to this. FNF skyrocketed in popularity nearly instantly and I can understand that they wanted to create a project but clearly overestimated their ability and underestimated how much people were willing to support them. I do genuinely hope the team manages to get their shit together and get the ball rolling.
And now that the game is dead I just want a refund
@@mattgroening8872 If the game doesn't get made in the next like 5 years I think all of the backers are entitled to some form of a refund.
@@SpagettiSpeltWronga full on game is being made?
A lot of people in the comments don’t understand clearly what’s been going on in the backgrounds for the funkin crew. The truth is that they had to actually make a company and had to do a FUCK TON of legal shit that’s not been fully getting in the way but still getting in the way of developing the game. They want to focus on delivering the backer stuff first before focusing on the game. Also,check their accounts y’all. That’s where you can get more updates about this stuff. They have been also hiring people for game dev,including a modder in the community. So,needless to say,the guys have been busy. Also,that date for the game’s release on kickstarter was for the game if it only hit 60k. I get people want to see stuff but Phantom Arcade said they actually want to surprise people with the stuff they have been cookin and not deal with people making mods using their assets,like what happened with week 8. People need to learn to be patient and look in other places for info. Also,the actual release date is probably gonna be in the late 2020’s.
Takes me a whole year to create a 10min episode with 20 straight lines imagine the amount of time it take to make a whole company produce 72 songs create 72 cuts energy and code all of that and all of the new features of the game bro and robtop is currently working on 2.2 of gd which haven't released yet in 3+ years, coding takes a lot of time especially to make a whole game people must realize this
The more effort people put into projects the more time it takes miners need patience to find gold so we should be patient
@@kuronblue
2.2 has taken over 6 years so far
The problem is that they dont understand BECAUSE the crew has been radio silent and has not communicated with the community
@@PlutoNonary Again,the thing is,they have communicated to the community up until December last year on Twitter. It’s just that people have been focusing more on the kickstarter and not checking their Twitter. Also,they don’t want to mention anything about content for the game because they don’t want people to mod it in countless times and ruin the surprise for people.
hello, you came up on my fyp. Just wanted to say I really appreciate the tone of this video not being extremely harsh towards the game devs
in defense of the physical media part, it has been shipping since like, november or december, which is when i got my stuff. also phantom arcades streams, newgrounds posts, and various twitter threads werent taken into account
The physical media could have been released much sooner if not for the utter incompetence of Ninjamuffin somehow giving Needlejuice records the wrong customer information. Kickstarter backers should also not have to leave Kickstarter in order to find out information about the project they backed. The point of Kickstarter updates is to inform backers about progress on the project, which for whatever reason is not being utilized. The devs never told Kickstarter backers that they must watch streams, look at Twitter, and ect. for updates. It is assumed all game updates will be posted to Kickstarter, as that's how Kickstarters work.
And people complained about Omori. At least Omocat was taking it seriously and trying to get the game out. These people are just like “oh well” or “oh yeah it’ll be out but we were lying lol get rekt”
Bro it's been 2 years since week 7 💀
yall are never getting the full game
I got my father into Friday night Funkin and for my birthday he was going to donate so I could get the benefits. I kinda glad he missed the closing date for the kickstarter.
It’s weird to me. The biggest issue with FNF development is that I feel it’s a never ending race. How can you make the best version of the game, when the fandom is doing it 1000 times better & innovated. At first it blown the waters in the first few weeks. Then the community caught up the same time week 7 dropped. Now it’s been a long time since then, and you see this game’s fandom doing all sorts of insane things and mechanics we never expected from base game. So the devs have to innovate to too that so it don’t seem underwhelming, but at the same time not give into what the fandom wants. Rather what they want.
As for the kickstarter stuff, yeah. I feel like they set themselves up for too much, and couldn’t live up to it right now. At the same time, this game could take ages to finish with what they had originally planned. So who knows the outcome of this.
people expect too much out of indie devs, i swear. its a team of like 4 to 6 people with real lives and whatnot from newgrounds, give them time.
also, they *have* given people things, they just got turned into mods by the fans so the surprise isn't there anymore and they went quiet because of it.
I understand, but this doesn't excuse the "less than formal" updates with swears and jabs thrown around.
Did you not even watch the video? Lmao
The issue at hand is not necessarily the delays, but the utter lack of professionalism. Watch the video and you should understand.
It’s the indie devs fault they made such an ambitious kickstarter
@@Duckbusinessman they made a fucking kickstarter for a game tf you mean???
@@dogedoge5596 have you not seen how overly ambitious their kickstarter was? Tf you mean???
I am a big backer of this project, I backed 200 bucks for some tasteful merchandise, and am pretty upset I haven't gotten it yet. Though I personally think that everything promised will be provided... eventually... and I fully agree with that last statement; once the dust settled, all that was left was 4 young adults, a big promise, and 58 thousand people to please.
Honestly same. While I'm not mad with the lack of updates, I do chuckle since by the time I backed the Kickstarter I have moved twice since then. Crazy how the time flew. And besides I did manage to grab a copy of the official soundtrack on minidisc. So I think that can satisfy me for a bit longer.
I payed $40 and I did get the CD. They’re not scammers, I think they weren’t expecting how many backers and how much money they were going to get and kind of panicked and “fumbled the bag”. I think they’re trying to focus on the kickstarter rewards so the supporters don’t feel ripped off which unfortunately is drawing them away from the game.
I’ve always thought this could happen what was promised in the kickstarter seemed to be overwhelming for a small game dev team and now it’s been more than a year and we still have nothing 😐
I mean they're very obviously working on it and we don't see much gameplay because they said they want to surprise us
Take VS Impostor V4 as an example
They took over a year to make the update, with a giant team and even innersloth themselves helping them.
Now image VS Impostor V4 but made by an WAY smaller team with WAY more work to do, 1 year isn't that big when you realize how hard it is to develop a game, regardless of it being a 40 hour long fps or a goofy rhythm game.
yes it is their fault for making promises without actually thinking if they could fufill it in time, but still, people expect a little too much from this small group of friends
a good way too develop a game is too keep the scope manageable during the development cycle so that the devs dont get overburdened
i think hollow knight is a masterclass on game development in this regard
the devs design philosophy was too always focus on expanding the size of the game, but making sure to focus on the most important, fundamental areas before delving into any additions/side content. this allowed them to add as much extra content as they wanted, but without worrying as much about being overwhelmed by their work; they could basically stop development of the game at any time, and have a complete product on their hands.
in addition to this, a lot of the kickstarter rewards were added in free post-release expansion packs, so they wouldnt have to worry about those additions while developing the base game.
smart decisions like this is how team cherry was able to craft one of the largest, well-crafted metroidvanias in history with only a three-person development team.
@@suspiciousamogus The FNF devs recieved 2 million dollars though. Seriously what is stopping the FNF dev team from hiring more people to make the team as large as some of the teams behind fan mods? If V4 could make 50 tracks, a currency system, art and animations in a year... what is stopping the FNF team from hiring more people to make FNF happen in a shorter, more reasonable amount of time? They received 2 million dollars and have an obligation to 60,000 kickstarter backers. Modders work for free (sometimes slight pay if art or something is commissioned) and have no obligations to make anything.
@@flandrescarlet506 well seeing as ninja muffin is currently “talking with their lawyers” over funky Friday ( Roblox game ) getting sponsored by sonic prime I think they are just making excuses at this point
@@flandrescarlet506 $2 mil worth of employees can easily be drained in a year or two. And for comparing V4 to the actual game, there is a huge gap, with a minimum of 60 songs confirmed and along with those songs and previous songs, there will be erect difficulty remixes for all of them. This is not including the new gameplay mechanics, online leaderboards (which cost to run), cutscenes, a 2 player system, their own art and animation, collabs, and more, this is not a project that can be resolved just by throwing money at it. With Kawaii Sprite and his music, FNF has always been first and foremost about its beats and art, so you can't bumrush the creative direction the team has in mind for FNF development. Just like Omori, this is a project that will need time to get right.
They should hire some of the developers that made FNF mods to be a part of the development team so they can get some helping hands.
they actually have!
I think Kickstarter's stretch goals are a problem. They cause creators to overpromise so they can secure more funding. And the stretch goals are usually neglected or forgotten entirely
I personally think the people saying this will be like the OMORI situation and that it will be fine when the end product releases are excusing the absolutely poor communication on the games progress, it should not be the standard that backers have to sit and not know if the game they funded their hard earned money into is actually being worked on in a productive manner or not.
I definitely think it doesn’t excuse it, I don’t think it was good the Omori developers did that either, but you can’t really deny the fact it’s awfully similar. The main thing I don’t understand is why the developers can’t give more proper updates, I mean in the Omori case it was because of orders given by Omocat but idk what the reason is with FNF
Yeah, I agree. It's kind of unfortunate we're in an era where creators could have a lot more direct communication with their community, but a lot decide not to, or do it on other platforms rather than the ones their backers gravitated toward.
I do hope they manage to get all this out. I never even thought about it, but this tiny team of new devs promised a LOT of cool stuff... They were definitely not prepared. Once the game comes out, i hope itll be good
i hope they are still working on this game, and are actually going to put out the content they promised
Ha! *_HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA!_* You won't get one drop of content. *_BAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA_*
They won’t
you will see it, it's just gonna be a loooooong while.
Press X to doubt
I used to play this game all the time in my Sophomore year of HS (2020-2021 school year), but I stopped playing like during 2021 Summer because the game was getting old. Thank god the mod community is around to make the game more FUN
The issue I see is that a lot of indie creators (and it's horribly prevalent with the ones that started on Flash websites) is that they lack management skills and understanding. The result is that when their work go from "passion project" to "actual business", they fail to properly plan their resource spending, and they treat their "financial backers" as "fans" who'll perfectly understand if they goof off.
FNF seems to be going through what I call the 'Minecraft cycle' - it was very popular, then kids started to like the game so it was associated with cringe, and it will eventually become popular again and the cycle continues.
hello people, i am a time traveler, and today im here to say, we got fnf week 8 before gta 6, gta is 2 numbers late
If this video taught me anything, it's the following:
- Always be prepared for the unexpected
- Don't promise too many things at once, they'll all pile up in the end
- Know what you're promising, be realistic with your promises
- Take video game development seriously... at least three times more seriously than the Friday Night Funkin' developers