Comparing Analogue Vs Digital Synthesis (Part 1) | Metalworks Institute

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
  • Kevin Pooler explains some of the fundamental differences between analogue and digital synthesizers. Comparing a Moog Voyager with Reason's Thor.
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Komentáře • 89

  • @ApocolypseZombie
    @ApocolypseZombie Před 3 lety +15

    Even though digital audio is composed of "samples", it's not a jagged line / step funciton like the one you animated at 1:00. The complete analog wave can be (and is) smoothly reconstructed from the samples.
    Most of the arguments against digital usually have to do with it being "too good" at perfectly reproducing the signal.

    • @ccmm4094
      @ccmm4094 Před 3 lety +1

      Excellent point. However, chaos oscillators mitigate this.

    • @SammyRenard
      @SammyRenard Před 6 měsíci

      @@ccmm4094 what are those?

  • @rederickfroders1978
    @rederickfroders1978 Před rokem +3

    Analog sounds warmer and richer, but the issue is that we all have digital smartphones in our pockets. Analogue synths sound better but nobody will hear it like you will when you record it. The moment its recorded, its aliassed into bits and bytes.
    Do I recommend an analogue synth? Yes, but for the people that are sensitive to good deep sound quality, not somebody thats fine with the presets of ableton

    • @colourbasscolourbassweapon2135
      @colourbasscolourbassweapon2135 Před rokem +1

      true you're right

    • @ApfelSgt
      @ApfelSgt Před 3 měsíci

      Exactly what i wrote in my comment too! 😬
      In the finished production, no one would hear any difference and digital sounds exactly as good as analogue! Because you simply have such a big loss in quality with recording, exporting, uploading and streaming or with CD‘s and then with playing it! The sound that you hear on the finished production on the playback of a speaker is never 100% the same then it’s on the fresh synthesis! There is absolutely no reason to use analogue synths anymore today, because digital ones are nearly identical, they are nearly perfect today!
      The only reasons are if you are an analogue enthusiast, you like the way they look and feel and you have to much money! 🤣💀
      But in terms of the sounding in music production, it’s completely wayne if you use digital or analogue! 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @KOISANX
    @KOISANX Před 7 lety +7

    a mistake in the language of so-called "digital" is that the sound science is in fact based on floating point - think in terms of millions of steps and not 16 bit fixed steps. Also the DSP technology allows one create randomness into the waveforms since the original discrete circuit designs and their variables are well understood

  • @TreSwayy
    @TreSwayy Před 7 lety +44

    Definitely not a great through explanation of analog vs digital synths

    • @dairebarefoot6763
      @dairebarefoot6763 Před 4 lety +3

      For anyone that needs help. One uses digital steps and the other uses analog electrical signal. One uses an analog circuit board and the other uses a digital processor on a board to create the sound.

  • @CrimenesDiarios
    @CrimenesDiarios Před 6 lety +2

    Any analog sound (not heard directly from source) can and will be reproduced/emulated digitally, after all this video audio is from purely digital source. The mentality that analog sounds are fatter, dirtier and higher quality is old because in the past there was no good advance in the emulation of all these variables, not true in 2018 where there are synths that can even surpass analog synths abilities.

  • @CharlesFerraro
    @CharlesFerraro Před 5 lety +2

    Two points... One, saying the only digital component of the Voyager is it's patch saving is a little misleading since all of it's encoders are digital (stepped) which honestly defeats the "continuously variable" allure of analog. Though to be fair there is an interpolation algorithm that smooths the steps. Second, digital waveforms AREN'T stepped since everything you hear is interpolated by the D/A converter.

  • @synthbe
    @synthbe Před 5 lety +5

    this is a load of crap, the difference in sound comes from different wave shape of the basic wave form, use a scope on a single period and surprise yourself..! Modern DA converters take away all the stepping of the resulting wave as long as you stick below the nyquist frequency. Get a clue guys. Using a scope and identical wave shapes there is no way to tell the difference between the analog and DA'd digital signal.

    • @dairebarefoot6763
      @dairebarefoot6763 Před 4 lety

      In this video I think the analog appears warmer only because it’s actually louder than the digital. So it’s bottom end is “fuller”.

  • @paulrudin5845
    @paulrudin5845 Před 5 lety +2

    playing a single note on both keyboards does not show the ear the difference between analogue and digital. Digital samples the wave form of analogue. In order to show a true sample, the note should be bent, as guitars often do. In this waveform the signal is continuous. The step-wise translation of digital from analogue does not yet sound the same.

  • @ermannos
    @ermannos Před 8 lety +8

    I can't find a part 2. I am assuming that's where you talk about the "actual" differences between the 2? I.E. one is actual current going through the circuits whereas the other is just algorithms?

    • @erickauffmann_official
      @erickauffmann_official Před 7 lety

      I think they didn't do it

    • @thisismetalworks
      @thisismetalworks  Před 6 lety +1

      Hi ! We definitely did do it. Check out both parts here www.metalworksinstitute.com/comparing-an-analogue-digital-synth

    • @thisismetalworks
      @thisismetalworks  Před 6 lety

      Hi Ermanno, The second part is here www.metalworksinstitute.com/comparing-an-analogue-digital-synth

    • @thisismetalworks
      @thisismetalworks  Před 6 lety

      Hi Ermanno, Both parts are here www.metalworksinstitute.com/comparing-an-analogue-digital-synth

  • @fallboardmusic
    @fallboardmusic Před 7 lety +14

    What the hell is up with your soundtrack and goofy sfx? You want us to hear a comparison when you've got a beat going on in the background?

  • @sK3LeTvM1
    @sK3LeTvM1 Před 3 lety +3

    Analog is a myth. Lab blind tests on university level have long proven that people simply can not hear the difference between analog and digital. Still there are idiots who keep on saying that analog sounds better. Well, as soon as we have a calibrated measuring tool that indicates 'better', we might continue the discussion.

  • @ReinOwader
    @ReinOwader Před 7 lety +11

    For me they sounded almost exactly the same exept in moog I heard some little movement/shifting in waveform. I believe good sounddesigner can reproduce this on digital also.

  • @TheChadPad
    @TheChadPad Před 6 lety +4

    That's a pretty substantial shift in tone

  • @JorneDeSmedt
    @JorneDeSmedt Před 7 měsíci

    How much of a difference will remain after you put both of them on a digital medium, like an mp3 or wav file?

  • @bartmuz
    @bartmuz Před 6 lety +8

    but using equalizer, you can make digital sound make warmer, musical and authentic and very similar to analogue

  • @the.punisher.of.stupidity

    Oh, please... I can produce such sounds without any synth. Just give me a bucket of baked beans and wait an hour.

  • @JazzyWaveOfficial
    @JazzyWaveOfficial Před 6 lety +4

    It's actually pronounced like "Mowg" Like mowing your lawn ^

  • @adamjerzyrodewald5752
    @adamjerzyrodewald5752 Před 5 lety +3

    Try again With Legend VST from Synapse

    • @MrJeekz
      @MrJeekz Před 7 měsíci

      Yeah, I can't tell Legend is digital at all.

  • @ApfelSgt
    @ApfelSgt Před 3 měsíci

    For music production with a DAW, it’s simply regardless if you use analogue or digital synths! No one could hear the difference in a track because good digital synths are absolutely perfect sounding nowadays and when you record and export tracks, the minimal differences that could be possible even today in sounding are not noticeable anymore because you allways lose a little bit of soundquality with each step you do. The „produced sound“ of the synthesis is never 100% equal to the sound that you hear in the finished production! Eventually it’s 99,9% equal, but never 100! And because almost ALL people use streaming, CD‘s etc. to listen to the music, the quality loss is A LOT to much to notice any difference between analogue or digital synths.
    Even when you only play the synths, there is NO noticeable Difference in the sounding today. And even when, then it’s so dann small, that you simply can’t hear it. So in the end, it’s completely irrelevant if you use analogue or digital in a production!
    The only reasons to use analogue synths today is, if there is no good digital version or you simply are a analogue enthusiast and you have to much money… 🤣 or you simply like the looks and feels of the analogue one!
    In terms of sounding and music production, there is absolutely no reason to use analogue synths anymore! 🤷🏽‍♂️
    The „analogue synths sound a lot better and different than digital ones“ that people used to say even to this day is completely outdated and is only a thing of believing anymore. It’s like a analogue religion with lots of followers… 🙈

  • @jonnihard1090
    @jonnihard1090 Před 3 lety +1

    For me the only time I truly notice a difference is with pitchbending.

  • @JohnPhillips
    @JohnPhillips Před 4 lety

    Question, What samplerate you used in the digital synth? Did you use oversample for the playback?

  • @paulrudin5845
    @paulrudin5845 Před 5 lety

    Additionally, analogue recordings often include ambient noise and musical interactions that are not caught by digital recording. I suspect that it is not, perhaps, long before this happens, but I haven't heard it yet. And, I wonder if any digital recording will ever catch the warmth and subtleties of real-time music recorded in wave form.

    • @gelatinous6915
      @gelatinous6915 Před 2 lety

      This dumbass didn't explain the difference between virtual analog and stable digital DSP. VA synths use mathematical transfer functions to recreate the sound of their analog counterparts- this catches everything including noise and component interaction these days. Also, keep in mind that whatever shitty $100 interface this guy used won't capture anything well, a good interface like a Prism Titan has absolutely no discernable difference in the signal (even according to top mastering engineers.)

  • @andewprod
    @andewprod Před 2 lety

    If you had the knob exactly on the saw wave sign, this aint no saw wave.. out of any analog synth you used the one which doesnt have a "standart" saw wave to show a saw wave..

  • @oonamorrioghanblackthorne
    @oonamorrioghanblackthorne Před 10 měsíci

    It’s recorded digitally so all we hear is the digital sound.

  • @lk_neon5118
    @lk_neon5118 Před 4 lety +1

    The synths sounded different just because they where very different sounding synth. You could have at least picked two synths that sound simular.

  • @drumilo8814
    @drumilo8814 Před 6 lety +1

    how to make analog vsts sound warmer

  • @nathanieI
    @nathanieI Před 6 lety +1

    I think the price tag is the only noticeable difference.

  • @culkingsed
    @culkingsed Před 7 lety +2

    If you applied distortion to the digital one, it would sound exactly like the analog.

    • @daftmoonz9395
      @daftmoonz9395 Před 6 lety

      It's not about distortion it's analogue having perfect waveforms and tuning that wonders + the filter being analogue is better.

    • @riftmusic5232
      @riftmusic5232 Před 6 lety +1

      +Daft Moonz lol no... it's actually the opposite. it's about analog having imperfections in its waveforms so that it gives it character

  • @boxy8673
    @boxy8673 Před 4 lety

    but recording it into your DAW makes it digital audio, right ?

  • @pavliga
    @pavliga Před 7 lety +27

    comparing fart sounds ...pokerface

  • @Popart-xh2fd
    @Popart-xh2fd Před 7 lety +7

    One is louder than other...

  • @puma8373
    @puma8373 Před 5 lety

    Every analog I use produces this hi fi crackle/ humming type sound over top of the sound being played... is that an analog thing or is there a way around that?
    If you don’t know. No worries
    Puma

    • @puma8373
      @puma8373 Před 5 lety

      How do I deal with ground loops? Because I’m thinking that may be the issue. I’m already using the double coil cables which are supposed to help as well....

  • @thepretendraver312
    @thepretendraver312 Před 6 lety

    How can you really tell, this video is on a digital platform?

  • @mep6014
    @mep6014 Před 6 lety +2

    Bhahaha comparing a Moog Voyager to Thor VST... Comon man! At least you could pick something like an Arturia Minimoog VST vs an actual Minimoog!!!

  • @malkin_laboratory4692
    @malkin_laboratory4692 Před 2 lety

    Maybe, our Universe is digital with Planck sample rate, lol)))

  • @TheAstroKid
    @TheAstroKid Před 3 lety

    You actually hear the difference with the digital sound, its colder, in the video

  • @colourbasscolourbassweapon2135

    i have the moog grandmother

  • @abiegreyvenstein5427
    @abiegreyvenstein5427 Před rokem

    You did not explain the difference at all??

  • @vincenzofederico8938
    @vincenzofederico8938 Před 4 lety

    Is this "digital" the so called "virtual analog"?

  • @Scripture-Man
    @Scripture-Man Před 6 lety

    Based on this comparison, I much prefer the digital sound, it sounds softer and more refined. The analog sounds harsher and more irritating, I can hear more overtones in it. But I really don't like saw waves anyway, would rather have heard square or sin! :)

  • @garyabbot4659
    @garyabbot4659 Před 7 lety +2

    analogue sounded nicer

  • @aric7726
    @aric7726 Před 5 lety

    They're both gonna be stored digitally and played back digitally so... Who cares? Just get whichever one you can afford and which makes the sounds you want

  • @Staplegunner
    @Staplegunner Před 5 lety

    Is this some type of sketch?

  • @norseczar27
    @norseczar27 Před 5 lety

    I suck So I may go digital just for the pads

  • @BrainDeadKidFromOuterSpace

    Moog is pronounced *Mohg

  • @miiclarky
    @miiclarky Před 5 lety

    Dep vs Dee

  • @noisesintheattic4202
    @noisesintheattic4202 Před 3 lety

    I've stopped watching this after 55 seconds, due to the disturbing background music.

  • @YaNa-ie5uc
    @YaNa-ie5uc Před 7 lety +1

    From Deadmau5 Masterclass =)

  • @yerboi2902
    @yerboi2902 Před 7 lety +2

    umm, theres no differance?

  • @ydihtty
    @ydihtty Před 7 lety +2

    you're comparing different waveforms lol

  • @robbepetitjean4343
    @robbepetitjean4343 Před 6 lety

    hahahahahhahahaa. Wow...

  • @spock_elvis
    @spock_elvis Před 4 lety

    Is this parody?

  • @codemiesterbeats
    @codemiesterbeats Před 8 lety

    im like a woman with shoes when it comes to watches... I love watches for some reason but I never wear them lol

  • @blancodeplomo
    @blancodeplomo Před 6 lety

    The only difference is the price

  • @h_enrix_92
    @h_enrix_92 Před 3 lety

    analog = warmer
    digital = flater and compressed

  • @rustyshakleford1277
    @rustyshakleford1277 Před 7 lety

    Analog is way better.

  • @gsten2116
    @gsten2116 Před rokem

    Useless.