Comparing Analogue Vs Digital Synthesis (Part 1) | Metalworks Institute
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- Kevin Pooler explains some of the fundamental differences between analogue and digital synthesizers. Comparing a Moog Voyager with Reason's Thor.
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Even though digital audio is composed of "samples", it's not a jagged line / step funciton like the one you animated at 1:00. The complete analog wave can be (and is) smoothly reconstructed from the samples.
Most of the arguments against digital usually have to do with it being "too good" at perfectly reproducing the signal.
Excellent point. However, chaos oscillators mitigate this.
@@ccmm4094 what are those?
Analog sounds warmer and richer, but the issue is that we all have digital smartphones in our pockets. Analogue synths sound better but nobody will hear it like you will when you record it. The moment its recorded, its aliassed into bits and bytes.
Do I recommend an analogue synth? Yes, but for the people that are sensitive to good deep sound quality, not somebody thats fine with the presets of ableton
true you're right
Exactly what i wrote in my comment too! 😬
In the finished production, no one would hear any difference and digital sounds exactly as good as analogue! Because you simply have such a big loss in quality with recording, exporting, uploading and streaming or with CD‘s and then with playing it! The sound that you hear on the finished production on the playback of a speaker is never 100% the same then it’s on the fresh synthesis! There is absolutely no reason to use analogue synths anymore today, because digital ones are nearly identical, they are nearly perfect today!
The only reasons are if you are an analogue enthusiast, you like the way they look and feel and you have to much money! 🤣💀
But in terms of the sounding in music production, it’s completely wayne if you use digital or analogue! 🤷🏽♂️
a mistake in the language of so-called "digital" is that the sound science is in fact based on floating point - think in terms of millions of steps and not 16 bit fixed steps. Also the DSP technology allows one create randomness into the waveforms since the original discrete circuit designs and their variables are well understood
Definitely not a great through explanation of analog vs digital synths
For anyone that needs help. One uses digital steps and the other uses analog electrical signal. One uses an analog circuit board and the other uses a digital processor on a board to create the sound.
Any analog sound (not heard directly from source) can and will be reproduced/emulated digitally, after all this video audio is from purely digital source. The mentality that analog sounds are fatter, dirtier and higher quality is old because in the past there was no good advance in the emulation of all these variables, not true in 2018 where there are synths that can even surpass analog synths abilities.
Precise words
Two points... One, saying the only digital component of the Voyager is it's patch saving is a little misleading since all of it's encoders are digital (stepped) which honestly defeats the "continuously variable" allure of analog. Though to be fair there is an interpolation algorithm that smooths the steps. Second, digital waveforms AREN'T stepped since everything you hear is interpolated by the D/A converter.
this is a load of crap, the difference in sound comes from different wave shape of the basic wave form, use a scope on a single period and surprise yourself..! Modern DA converters take away all the stepping of the resulting wave as long as you stick below the nyquist frequency. Get a clue guys. Using a scope and identical wave shapes there is no way to tell the difference between the analog and DA'd digital signal.
In this video I think the analog appears warmer only because it’s actually louder than the digital. So it’s bottom end is “fuller”.
playing a single note on both keyboards does not show the ear the difference between analogue and digital. Digital samples the wave form of analogue. In order to show a true sample, the note should be bent, as guitars often do. In this waveform the signal is continuous. The step-wise translation of digital from analogue does not yet sound the same.
I can't find a part 2. I am assuming that's where you talk about the "actual" differences between the 2? I.E. one is actual current going through the circuits whereas the other is just algorithms?
I think they didn't do it
Hi ! We definitely did do it. Check out both parts here www.metalworksinstitute.com/comparing-an-analogue-digital-synth
Hi Ermanno, The second part is here www.metalworksinstitute.com/comparing-an-analogue-digital-synth
Hi Ermanno, Both parts are here www.metalworksinstitute.com/comparing-an-analogue-digital-synth
What the hell is up with your soundtrack and goofy sfx? You want us to hear a comparison when you've got a beat going on in the background?
Analog is a myth. Lab blind tests on university level have long proven that people simply can not hear the difference between analog and digital. Still there are idiots who keep on saying that analog sounds better. Well, as soon as we have a calibrated measuring tool that indicates 'better', we might continue the discussion.
it not It's different
For me they sounded almost exactly the same exept in moog I heard some little movement/shifting in waveform. I believe good sounddesigner can reproduce this on digital also.
That's a pretty substantial shift in tone
How much of a difference will remain after you put both of them on a digital medium, like an mp3 or wav file?
but using equalizer, you can make digital sound make warmer, musical and authentic and very similar to analogue
@Dafydd Powell You can but that is not the point. EQ does not make something better by default, it makes it different.
@@BojanBojovic yeah
@@BojanBojovic Plus you can't exactly copy of the harmonic
Oh, please... I can produce such sounds without any synth. Just give me a bucket of baked beans and wait an hour.
lmfaooo
It's actually pronounced like "Mowg" Like mowing your lawn ^
Try again With Legend VST from Synapse
Yeah, I can't tell Legend is digital at all.
For music production with a DAW, it’s simply regardless if you use analogue or digital synths! No one could hear the difference in a track because good digital synths are absolutely perfect sounding nowadays and when you record and export tracks, the minimal differences that could be possible even today in sounding are not noticeable anymore because you allways lose a little bit of soundquality with each step you do. The „produced sound“ of the synthesis is never 100% equal to the sound that you hear in the finished production! Eventually it’s 99,9% equal, but never 100! And because almost ALL people use streaming, CD‘s etc. to listen to the music, the quality loss is A LOT to much to notice any difference between analogue or digital synths.
Even when you only play the synths, there is NO noticeable Difference in the sounding today. And even when, then it’s so dann small, that you simply can’t hear it. So in the end, it’s completely irrelevant if you use analogue or digital in a production!
The only reasons to use analogue synths today is, if there is no good digital version or you simply are a analogue enthusiast and you have to much money… 🤣 or you simply like the looks and feels of the analogue one!
In terms of sounding and music production, there is absolutely no reason to use analogue synths anymore! 🤷🏽♂️
The „analogue synths sound a lot better and different than digital ones“ that people used to say even to this day is completely outdated and is only a thing of believing anymore. It’s like a analogue religion with lots of followers… 🙈
For me the only time I truly notice a difference is with pitchbending.
Question, What samplerate you used in the digital synth? Did you use oversample for the playback?
Additionally, analogue recordings often include ambient noise and musical interactions that are not caught by digital recording. I suspect that it is not, perhaps, long before this happens, but I haven't heard it yet. And, I wonder if any digital recording will ever catch the warmth and subtleties of real-time music recorded in wave form.
This dumbass didn't explain the difference between virtual analog and stable digital DSP. VA synths use mathematical transfer functions to recreate the sound of their analog counterparts- this catches everything including noise and component interaction these days. Also, keep in mind that whatever shitty $100 interface this guy used won't capture anything well, a good interface like a Prism Titan has absolutely no discernable difference in the signal (even according to top mastering engineers.)
If you had the knob exactly on the saw wave sign, this aint no saw wave.. out of any analog synth you used the one which doesnt have a "standart" saw wave to show a saw wave..
It’s recorded digitally so all we hear is the digital sound.
The synths sounded different just because they where very different sounding synth. You could have at least picked two synths that sound simular.
how to make analog vsts sound warmer
I think the price tag is the only noticeable difference.
If you applied distortion to the digital one, it would sound exactly like the analog.
It's not about distortion it's analogue having perfect waveforms and tuning that wonders + the filter being analogue is better.
+Daft Moonz lol no... it's actually the opposite. it's about analog having imperfections in its waveforms so that it gives it character
but recording it into your DAW makes it digital audio, right ?
comparing fart sounds ...pokerface
One is louder than other...
Popart 2015 analog is a little louder.
Every analog I use produces this hi fi crackle/ humming type sound over top of the sound being played... is that an analog thing or is there a way around that?
If you don’t know. No worries
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How do I deal with ground loops? Because I’m thinking that may be the issue. I’m already using the double coil cables which are supposed to help as well....
How can you really tell, this video is on a digital platform?
Analogues have drift and more character.
Bhahaha comparing a Moog Voyager to Thor VST... Comon man! At least you could pick something like an Arturia Minimoog VST vs an actual Minimoog!!!
Maybe, our Universe is digital with Planck sample rate, lol)))
You actually hear the difference with the digital sound, its colder, in the video
Because it's a bad, un-antialiased stock VST
i have the moog grandmother
You did not explain the difference at all??
Is this "digital" the so called "virtual analog"?
Based on this comparison, I much prefer the digital sound, it sounds softer and more refined. The analog sounds harsher and more irritating, I can hear more overtones in it. But I really don't like saw waves anyway, would rather have heard square or sin! :)
analogue sounded nicer
They both sounded obnoxious at best.
They're both gonna be stored digitally and played back digitally so... Who cares? Just get whichever one you can afford and which makes the sounds you want
Is this some type of sketch?
I suck So I may go digital just for the pads
Moog is pronounced *Mohg
Dep vs Dee
I've stopped watching this after 55 seconds, due to the disturbing background music.
From Deadmau5 Masterclass =)
Same
i want to take those classes but in the meanwhile ill just do it myself
umm, theres no differance?
you're comparing different waveforms lol
hahahahahhahahaa. Wow...
Is this parody?
im like a woman with shoes when it comes to watches... I love watches for some reason but I never wear them lol
The only difference is the price
analog = warmer
digital = flater and compressed
Analog is way better.
not better Different i use both aka my grandmother moog and serum the VST
Useless.