This Is What Winning Looks Like (Part 1/3)
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- "This Is What Winning Looks Like" is a disturbing new documentary about the ineptitude, drug abuse, sexual misconduct, and corruption of the Afghan security forces as well as the reduced role of US Marines due to the troop withdrawal. In part one, we see just how chaotic and hopeless the situation is in Sangin, one of the most violent towns in Afghanistan.
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These marines pretend they're not pissed off
Because they are professionals and because if they get mad this idiots can just vanish anytime..
And also the fact one of the people they are training could turn on them and kill them which has happen multiple times ( a lot of Australian troops have died because of it)
@@ItsLost wow
Marines are always pissed off.
the frustration endured by stueber & also major brezler almost certainly gave those two men PTSD, you don't have to be in combat for war to fuck you up.
Brezler warned against an insider attack against the pedophile police chief and was courtmartialed for revealing classified documents & was almost tried for treason as well.
Afghanistan is a frustrating and mentally taxing place for Americans and us Canadians [while we were there] let alone, a frustrating war.
these men are stronger than you or I could ever dream of being. their levels of restraint are at the very least, legendary.
Imagine having to explain MULTIPLE times that you have to see the target omg
exactly brooo
It’s like aiming 101, you see target, you shoot, you see no target, you don’t shoot.
But pew pew pew
A little bit of context : After D-Day and the few years of the vietnam war, the US military realized that most soldiers did not use their weapons at all, and that most of those who did, did not aim to kill. This was considered a problem, and to adress this issue, the US military devised a doctrine called "zone fire" which encouraged soldiers to shoot in the general direction of the threat, in order to deshinibit the use of weapons. Takeaway 1 : there was a time americans were shy about using their guns. Takeaway 2 : there was an american doctrine telling the soldiers to do sort of what the afghans do.
@@alexandreblanc7253 thanks for the context
As a Marine, I can say that telling lies to cover up what you actually seeing is very hard. We tell things the way it is and all lies be damned.
Stop lying then you are not a robot
@UCpoXO6FL9lDoVhTqBX8jsKA ur dumb they wont accept the after report if they didnt cover up something they told them to
What do you mean
Marines do not lie
@@mtybirous 🤡
These marines are incredible.. insane levels of patience
I wish I was that patient whenever I have to go to get something done at a government office
Even Abu Hajaar took his job more seriously than these Afghan soldiers
Lmao
bruh I'm done 👌😂😂
I agree that man should deserve a medal.
omg lol
funniest comment lol
You can hear the frustration in the marines voices
E Z I don’t think they signed up to work with a corrupt police force, it’s easy for you to say “ThEy ShOuLd JuSt Do ThEiR jObS” while you look in, you try going over there and training them and see how mad you get
E Z you try doing it :)
E Z my guy stfu
Gus Gorp they signed up to stack bodies but got tasked to train a lost cause
E Z how were they supposed to know that there would be rapists and everyone would be on drugs. They may have signed up to go there but they didn’t know what was ahead of them.
When I was in college 2011, there was a veteran in my class. For whatever reason, he agreed to answer questions about his time. I asked him "Do you think that any of our efforts will last when we leave". He said "no I don't think they will" and the whole class went silent. Looking back I regret asking such a pointed question but it taught us the truth about these conflicts.
Needless to say, I was not surprised when the government collapsed.
He probably believed that even if his efforts in Afghanistan were in vain he could help some people at home understand so they wouldn't send someone else to suffer like he did.
This conflict..was won or lost..by interpreters..🤔🤫
It's Their Show he says..💯
It may have been a pointed question but it was a necessary one, you had the guts to ask the right question so to speak. I was with 9th ESB in 2011 when they made improvements to a road near Marjah and we lost a few people because of it; I wasn't directly involved with improvements but I was supporting from nearby FOBs. I talked to an infantryman around 2015 and he said that it became so filled with IED's that they had to destroy it on their way out which essentially made the whole operation pointless in the end. We knew this was likely to happen back then but we had to grin and bear it because "hearts and minds" and the leadership wanted their medals.
I’m so glad this exists, I get to peer back 13 years into the past and see what everyone else saw in 2009, thank you to all journalists. You save our stories, the importance of that will always be greater than most will ever realize
This is what having a bad team on Rainbow six siege feels like
lol
Big FACTS
Probably worse.
1manuscriptman It disgusts me when your grammar is so bad and then you try to make a moral point over a joke. Every time I see someone like this I always think it’s some little kid that hasn’t even gone through puberty yet.
@1manuscriptman Thanks for the compliment.
Taliban seems like elite-forces compared to the afghan forces
More fanatical in their beliefs and driven i'd say then elite.
Yeah billions of dollars in funding lol, they’re being funded and trained by Russia too
@@dmitributusov9880 bullshit
@@dmitributusov9880 The Taliban would accept help from "infidels" like the Russians?
They are by far more elite. Their beliefs drive them. These Afghan forces have no drive.
15:12 - "We are not making that same mistake again."
True ... in an way, this time the "mistake" was much worse, leaving helicopters, attack aircraft, thousand of modern fire arms back.
I too had to pause and rewind that part....what a joke....also astonishing to see the total ineptitude of the Afghans.....just itching to fire off precious finite ammunition in the distance just to feel they are shooting at 'something' . Like trying to train a bunch of delinquent kids.... no wonder the Afghan Army gave up in days....the US govt should have seen this coming and bailed out years ago....what a massive waste of US taxpayer dollars. Now China will walk in and plunder their resources.
I couldn’t believe it
giving that equipment to the ANA was a major mistake back in 2018
"Remember when we supported the Muj's against the Russians, and we left all those weapons there and we spent years and millions of dollars getting those weapons, particularly the Stinger Missiles back, we're not making the same mistake again"
2021: Lol......
The ugly truth that doesnt us want to remember
More like billions of dollars, lol
I was litereally at this part came to the comments to type it and saw this, Too funny hearing it at the time
The US didn't leave SAMs this time (there being no reason to do so) and the rest of the gear is obsolete like HMMWV junk light trucks. It has symbolism to Bubba but the US has no need for that gear which is why it got FMSed in the first place. JLTV is the replacement for HMMWV and remedies the faults of a weak NATO liaison vehicle never intended for direct combat and very bad at surviving attack (as demonstrated from Mogadishu to present day).. I actually DO remember and have studied both wars. Operation Cyclone was a bargain against the Soviet Union and carried out by competent operatives. What should never have happened is "nation building" which is a direct assault on local culture hence doomed to failure.
I was thinking the same thing man...
I can't imagine how frustrating trying to work with Afghan forces must be.
+Bill Nye tbh, those bases look like a shit show. but then again, the whole war is a shit show...
+Bill Nye Hello Bill Nye, the "Science guy" who has never made a successful scientific discovery. LOL
+Bill Nye Easy. Leave.
+Bill Nye Easy. Leave.
holy shit the science guy
Only thing more dangerous than a competent enemy, is an incompetent ally.
Bro I literally just saw drone footage of one of these guys hitting a green beret on the leg cause he didn't realize he was shooting at the wall in front of him and it ricochet
How many times have the Americans been involved in friendly fire with their allies?
@@dehvun7 where lol
@KKmies oof too soon lol
@@dehvun7 😪
This video shows exactly the reason why we left Afghanistan after twenty year's being there , you can not change a people's culture ,or the mentality of a people that don't want to change it themselves , We were shooting ourselves in the foot ,, Great video !
Especially if half the time they're killing civilians
@@KLienne I'm not American but honestly obvious I know it's not the main cause but with the military leaving Afghanistan it shows that no one lives well there I honestly don't know why they went apart from looking for Osama but I think they tried to make things better create schools the majority of children in afghanistan don't read why according to the leaders they go against their religions that you'd rather they tried or they live forever in ignorance
@@Graph_de_La_Fer He was being nice when he said “culture and mentality.” It’s more like “incompetence and immaturity”
Marine :- don't shoot there's afghan children
Afghan:- goes and fires 500 bullets with lmg
Seems we care more about their own country than they do
The US shouldn't be helping countries who do not accept Democracy, or at least Human rights.
@LogicalSense there is no difference between the corrupt Afghan government and the honest Talibans.
There is nothing that these unmotivated Afghans are doing to help their people...
@LogicalSense yeah, i always dreamed to serve in the Marines, but I think I'm gonna join the IDF.
did you serve in Afghanistan ?
@LogicalSense well said sir well said we need more people like you in this world 👏
I’ve seen nerf teams that have better coordination than these people
llOPPOTATOll 😭
This is a perfect example why all drugs and things that null your senses are a no no in the military even pot
We should leave the middle east.... unless.....
wot dephoque what
@wot dephoque Blah? What you just said has nothing to do with what the first post is all about.
When I look back over these older Vice pieces they almost always stand the test of time.
This 3 part series explained VERY WELL, in 2013 why this war was already lost.
My lord that one Afghan soldier acted like a child
I thought he was a child trying to act like a soldier, except soldiers don't act like that.
Peter Collin he’s probably like 19/20 he his a kid
and he was on heroin
He is most likely 18 or 19 and high off his mind
theeUgly Duckling you never been in the military have you ? Lmao
Revisiting this documentary after watching it a few years ago, and after the fall of Afghanistan. I could not possibly be less surprised about the outcome in 2021.
I honestly think that probably the enemy may even be better than those guys. What a disaster. Jesus Christ.
Same
The most sad thing for me is the fact that almost all the afghans in this video are dead or with the taliban
@@Tuyos0w0 the taliban doesn't recrut these kind of retarded drugaddict child molestesrs rapist
and that why they won.
I’ve been trying to find this documentary again. It always stuck with me that American soldier frustrated he has to train child rapists. Reported it multiple times and nothing happened. He looked like he was suffers from ptsd I hope he doing well these days
Who came back to this video after seeing what's going on in Afghan since the collapse?
I laugh when people are surprised by the outcome. Anyone paying attention knew this would be the outcome.
It's like raising a kid to 18 and they still expect you to hold their hand everywhere.
25:55 "He's still a warrior you know, and deserves to be treated like one"
One of the Realest things I have ever heard any man speak.
That poor guy, he had to be dying inside seeing all of that shit
Taliban should not be treated with respect
@@JerreMuesli They shouldn't... But soldiers should...
JerreMuesli r/whoooosh
@@JerreMuesli Nor should American soldiers be treated with respect
It’s hard to save a country that doesn’t want to be saved.
@@AliceDiableaux Absolutely fucking agreed.
AliceDiableaux whoa there buddy go tell that to our president and Congress, not some random bloke on CZcams.
AliceDiableaux i smell cap
AliceDiableaux It would be worst if no one were to stop the terrorist
@Hue Wong No it's not. Go read ISIS propaganda magazine that they made public to everyone. They gave 10 reasons we will hate and kill you.
Number #1 was (I'm paraphrasing): "Understand that no matter what you do we always have and always will hate you. We will always seek to kill you because it is His will to kill all non-believers. There is nothing you can do to change this."
1 year of spending in training the afghan military could have eradicated homelessness in the US for 5 years.
Why would we train a force to defend themselves theoretically thinking it’s make it okay for us to pull out so we stop losing friends. maybe it’s only logic if you haven’t been there
21:54 Gives a convincing, motivational and well constructed argument
Interpreter: Same as before
I could take a lobby of guys from Call of Duty and be a more effective militia than these guys
🤣
Guaranteed not possible
@@chrisreid5745 chalange accepted
@@needs_more_dakka5774 screenshot or it didnt happen 😁
Actually feels true, even some of the younger players might do better.
"Your gonna do great things."
-Marine's Mouth
"Your gonna die."
-Marine's eyes.
Moulth
Moulth
Moulth
yro’ue*
*yo'e
As a Korean who has a military alliance with the United States and as a teenager who wants to become a soldier
I feel like I know a little bit about the suffering of US veterans. in communication with allied
I hope that the Korean and US forces cooperate well without this happening in a real war situation.
and thank you to the USFK soldiers who fight for peace together with the Korean military
"we go together"
🇰🇷🇺🇲
i higly doubt ur korean and ur country is a colony
this answered all my questions, thank you
'welcome to the salt spitoon, how tough are you?'
'How tough am I? I served in Afghanistan...'
'Yeah so?'
'...And trained the Afghan national army.'
'woah, right this way sir'
Great comment, but it’s salty spittoon. Without any milk.
@@Aenima308 you got any ketchup
Afghan: *walks and shoots wasting ammo* Afghan: "the US should give us ammo" COME ON MAN NOT IF YOU'RE DOING THST
lol, the US soldiers trying to help are a joke to them, just somenoe to give them more toys to have more fun
What they don’t understand is that the US don’t have enough nor willing to ammo supply retards...
Why don’t he just put on scavenger and smoke some more weed
"And we spend years and millions of dollars getting those weapons back. We´re not making that same mistake again." Jeah.. you did. But not for those guys.
this entire situation is literally mind boggling.
Omg, it's like babysitting...
exactly like children that never grow up !
Pretty much but atleast kids listen
Remember, this is made for 'TV' meaning they can easily pick out the few that give the audience a reaction... Not saying they aren't like this and improvements are needed, but I'd hope not all are immature acting like this(specifically that dude who goes with the machine gun firing wasting ammo just to despise the orders to conserve ammo).
@@ihatesignupsgrrrrrrr You're right, they'd probably desert the outpost leaving it unmanned.
jesus, thats some bad people your babysitting there
Gotta say, that adviser being interviewed at the end of this video is such a straight shooter, you know exactly where he stands and how he feels about things. That commands so much respect.
Because he's an All American Midwest cornfed Christian white football hero soldier.
@@nilobaranda what the f- are you going on about?
Can't you even see how sincere the guy was?
Heck, he's just a soldier from a modern army at this point, he could have been British, German, Black, Asian lookin'
That wouldn't have changed a damn thing about how honest his words were and how real the situation was and still is to this day.
What's really disturbing is that you realise that the situation in Afghanistan is larger than both the Marines and the Afghans they are trying to teach.
The Afghans are hopelessly demotivated because they don't see the sense in whatever the Americans are trying to get them to do, and rightfully so.
The Americans were on their way out and everyone knew this. It would have taken 50+ years of American help to get Afghanistan anywhere.
Ben Anderson is the perfect person for these documentaries
“By the end of next year, the war will be over”
2018: god dammit
lol isn't it over
Eeeeeh no
Shit
Mj 2005 nope still not over shits scuffed
We need Obama back trump is shit
I'm pretty sure America's homeless are a better standing army than these guys, and cleaner!
Vote Yang2020 and homlessness will end
Yea because most Americas homless are vets
@@smaronboruah1921 vote yang 2020 to make every comrade homeless
@@peterjones5243 they're already homeless I see them all the time they could use 1k
@@smaronboruah1921 Who will pay? I don't suppose Mr. Yang will personally write them all checks?
The title should be changed to “This is what inevitably loosing looks like (Part 1/3)”
Lol fr
This is what it meant
There is a saying in our country, it goes something like "(In most cases) the people's suffering is deserved based on their belief."
You just can't help someone that is not willing to get help. And in most conflicts u have to realise the ones fighting the evil might just be as evil as the opponent, it's just that they happen to land on different sides, that's all, it's not always about a better future or human rights.
No wonder Taliban is walking all over so-called Afghan National Army. Just look at them. Jeez.
They are all coked up out of their mind.
At 29min you work with that guy by taking him out the back and put a bullet through him.
This is what nearly 20 years of wars does to a country. Most of the national army of Afghanistan looked 20-30 years old. They probably never even went to school cause during war nobody goes to school of other things that we do.
no doubt...inbread fucktards
@@kzap70 Actually, Afghanistan has an illiteracy rate of 80-90% because of its extreme poverty, which is largely due to foreign relations with Pakistan (Pak and Taliban keep AFG poor so AFG has no choice but to rely on marijuana and opium as its major productions, of which the Taliban and Paki government reap all the reward).... The nomadic nature of much of its people also complicates things, and the radical islam mixed with a constant warring atmosphere since 1979 hinders overall education as well.
Afghanistan was actually doing quite well for itself, culturally and economically speaking, up until the mid-1970's, when radical Islam and the Soviet Union both thought they should have Afghanistan... Ultimately, the US saw the Soviet-Afghan thing as a good way to totally fuck the USSR, and made a bad choice to side with radical Islam to "aid them in their struggle against Communism".... Admittedly, the radicals back then weren't as radical as they are now (or when we respectively took them out, etc), but it was still a not-great idea...
Anyway, Afghanistan due to these factors has devolved to the state seen in this video, and it's kind of disgusting... In fact, according to locals, it's absolutely no different than under Taliban rule, once the Americans aren't watching... Life under the ANA/ANP/etc. is just like under the Taliban, except they're called the "Afghan National Police" and etc. now...
Oh also, when that PB just walks off a day or two later and is never seen again? Yeah, that's stupid common with the native forces... They'll come in, they won't like someone or something, and they'll just fuck off out to nowhere, usually with their gear.... And you see how they took the barricade down and sold the motherfucker? Yeah, they do that shit all the time, too; absolutely no foresight. Either that, or they know they won't put up any sort of resistance, and instead just want the money for hash, opium, and pot seeds.....
Looks like the American soldiers are more concern towards their civillians then the Afghans soldiers do...
These are marines not soldiers
And yes you are right lol in the first part of the vid he stopped the ANA from shootin in the direction where kids was
@@hy-bw1rl marines are soldiers
yeh, the afghans are real interested in killing their cousins. like the taliban are the enemy. do some research and see how much better off afghans were under taliban than the puppet government put in place by US >
@@yesverygood7437 NO - you are very wrong. Is a sailor a soldier? An airman? People screw it up all the time - but you, you correct the person correcting the person. Read the comments below this mis-labeled video:
czcams.com/video/7zqi-9OIOvw/video.html
Wrong. A Russian on the internet just told me American soldiers massacre civilians
".. And by the end of next year, our war in Afghanistan will be over!" Said 8 years ago
"This is what winning looks like"
Both aged like crap.
A lot more people need to see this documentary
“Are you taliban??” One guy says yeah! The other no no we no taliban
Haha I caught that too
Ahmad khan it’s like Spanish in Spain and Spanish in Puerto Rico different dialects but the same language
@@joshgoshgaming3049
yaa means no in that language its not they were speaking english
Ryan G like French from France and Quebec French
where did they say that please put the time
The Worst Squadron in Afghanistan: Starring Captain 80's Haircut, The Porno Staches, and copious amounts of heroin.
And don't forget the guy who is the anti-Mr Rogers, raping all the boys in the neighborhood. Years from now all this stuff will be more common knowledge. What a disgrace.
Lol quite literally what I was thinking
Kinda funny lok
🤣
Those thinngs happen around the world Afghanistan looks like a medieval land in the modern time to me
Someone needs to tell that marine adviser this; "You were given an impossible job and you did your best. You did not fail."
Fantastic content - thank you
Anyone else here after the Taliban have completely retaken Afghanistan?
It is no wonder how these guys were mowed over. Absolute garbage.
These dudes are straight up useless for everything.
Talibans are more disciplined than those junkies ANA. These guys are high all the time, fucking shame on them.
@@gilmoe73 This is what continuous opium usage do. Same way the whole Chinese population was complete useless in 19th century as they were all high on opium.
@@marshalLannes1769 well, sounds like a them problem.
"We'll throw rocks at them. Look at all these rocks!" [sweeps arm grandly]
Jokes on him, that's what the marines are doing. Only with very advanced automatic rock shooters.
goddamn right. they wanna waste ammo, let them chuck rocks.
@Juicy James *gives them shitty slingshots*
@Juicy James That's called a "trebuchet". ;)
@@flemishtemplar3766 sorry to be that person, but it's a trebuchet.
They’re really upset he’s telling them to quit eating, showering and shitting in the same place. They wouldn’t have said anything if it wasn’t a problem. Literally tearing down security walls to sell as scrap metal, that’s insane.
I have to say, I heard stories about Marines being easy to anger but this video proves otherwise. They have so much patience they could be teachers.
When I was in Afghanistan back in 2010 with 3/6 the Afghanistan army and the Afghanistan police was absolutely useless. One day we were under attack and as we were on the wall I looked over and I seen one of the Afghanistan army guys reading a magazine. I ran over there to yell at him and when he saw me coming he through the magazine away like a little child would do when they realize they got caught doing what they weren't supposed to be doing
@jacob bell I don't give a two fuck what u think .I'm an afghan who is born and raised in USA...i live here dumboo and I go over there too ..I know my people and you guys too ..so keep.quiet
yes, im sure thats completely true and not a fabrication of a 12 year americans fantasist mind
Lawrence I have two questions; that 'nade launcher you're holding in the picture, you get to shoot it? Is shooting it as badass as I Imagine it is?
Why would you even go to that illegal war?
You are not from and were not born in an insurgency affected region.All your families are safe at home watching tv.Thats not the same case for them.It will take time for the people to fight back.10 years is not a long time.
This is what failure looks like.
Mmm taste like freedom
Yeah the title didnt age well
Washington is what failure looks like. Biden is what failure looks like. Capitol Hill is what failure looks like.
Repeating the same mistakes as another failed war -- Vietnam.
This is what a crackhead with a gun looks like
“We’re not making that mistake again” that’s sitting real well nowadays 😂
This Is What Loosing Looks Like
Back when VICE did honest reporting.
holy shit this was vice?
modern day vice would be the "journalist" doing heroin and smoking weed with the locals.,
@@dbspaceoditty i thought they were merged with buzzfeed or something these days (thats a joke) they did used to be great tho
I think the leader of proudboys was still in vice this time
@Bob Saget czcams.com/video/IdYZj9vmfi0/video.html this is literally just a "journalist" going out into the woods for a "heroin holiday"
bAck wHeN v'ICe wAs ACKKtuALLU g00d
Marine: Gives top of the line training and information to help them
Afgans: Plays tag
rides bike, makes mom joke
Gets shot through the body
Lol
Worse, they play tag with lmg
Glad that the Afghans and their moments of enjoyment in a s***show for a country are serving as a great source of comedy for you guys with your sophisticated hard-earned privileges of your birth place.
I mean it's so funny 😂 that they be swimming in dirt and blood playing tag as grown-ups instead of having a party for getting your video go viral or some relevant thing like that.... So lame!
Jesus, I couldnt be a marine in that heat, working with people like that.
I guarantee you the guy who got offended whist being taught not to shit where he eats got offended because he shits where he eats.
Yea he does lol
Lol. How dare you lecture him about his feces-encrusted dinner hands.
The Afgan police are like children. No descipline,smokes pot. Tell them to shave and cut their hair. it's useless. How about getting Afgans from other regions who are more disciplined? No wonder Bush went to Iraq in a hurry. This show is all about how bullshit the Afgans are. What a mess. Obama is saying let's move the Americans out? Then why did you go there in the first place? Mission accomplished? Then you attacked Iraq and Libya then Syria? Just to destroy their civilization then leave like what you did in Vietnam? Why? Can you please stop acting as police of the world. Fix America first instead of destroying infrastructue in other countries. Now Obama wants war to explode in the China Sea between the Phil and China. Just leave them alone please and enough of these wars. Let these countries mend their own problems. You have your own problems in the US like drugs, gangs, criminalities and your prisons are full. Solve your internal problems before trying to teach other countries how to solve theirs.
he eats his shit
cocoleardogs2 don't think pot is the real problem here.. these guys are lit on some heavy shit
This is frustrating to watch. I can only imagine how frustrated the US soldiers felt trying to help them but all they rather do is goof off and do drugs.
@@Real_ice962 You're saying that a Marine isn't a soldier? Quite interesting point of view.
@@E_K_gen01 Marines tend to refer to themselves as marines not soldiers, so no they're not soldiers but marines.
Quentin Ding Youre playing with semantics, a marine IS a soldier.
It's literally high school
If you’re going by definitions yes they’re soldiers, but you won’t ever find them calling themselves soldiers
Anyone else waiting for the new documentary " This is how loosing feels like" ?
This aged extremely well.
Perhaps the marines should recruit taliban forces to defend afghanistan from these guys?
We should've just let the Taliban take over again and leave. To me it always felt like they have the more coordinated forces and government
to control and rebuilt such a giant country.
That's really the only way that "peace" can be brought to Afghanistan but it is such a poison pill Americans could never accept it.
@@DerDudelino don't forget Taliban brought opium production to zero and now they're producing 80% of global opium production.
Happened before like twice hahaha
@@DerDudelino do u want one more 9/11 to happen because thats how u would make it happen go learn some history and come back may be then you will get the context of why the taliban even exists
Mexican cartels would be more effective than the afghan army. Lmao
Mexican cartel's really damn scary, They legit kicked Mexican army's ass so many times.
Fuck yeah let's please send them all there
@@trolltruth5037 send the cartels to were the opium is, sure
@@arash9099 I'm saying let's send them all there so they can die off like fucking flies .. you really think they'll defeat the Taliban/isis in there owen back yard .. the ffucking us army couldn't even defeat them.. fuck the MEXICAN CARTEL
@@trolltruth5037 i was joking
And now, we see what losing looks like.
The documentary that made me realize the war was lost
Imagine if they got a Marine drill instructor teaching those Afghans
Dan The Man the Afghan would desert the base and run away hahahahaha
Lol 😂😂😂
They sould
They would run to the Taliban to hide cause they’re less scary
R Lee Ermy RIP
"He's still a warrior and he deserves to be treated like one even in death"
Respect.
I'm no fan of NATO or the US army but for sure the guy that said that is worthy of respect. You could tell he had a good heart, and a manly one at that.
@@nikola9348 I agree I’m not a fan of either the US or nato at all but you can’t blame a soldier for what there country does they are just tools.
@@Alex-tx2je Well there is personal choice involved. US military personnel were not forcibly conscripted. They chose to sign up.
@@nikola9348 No yea I know I was gonna join believe me I know😂
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"we wont make the mistake of leaving weapons again"... looks like they made the same mistake.
Revisiting this doc after a few years and still wonder what that slow instrumental is at the start
These people and the Afghan army are living proof that education is fundamental even when it comes to war
all the education didn't help the US populace figure that their politicians were taking them for a ride, dividing them and selling them down the river.
No it doesn't anymore haha
@Transitive Wisdom oh the same trump who signed the Doha agreement with the taliban? heard of it?
@Transitive Wisdom Here's the facts. Trump cut a deal with the Taliban and promised to pull out by May 21 and Biden executed.
The withdrawal was botched by Biden.
There is no way of knowing what Trump would have done...he's not around is he?
Education is a huge deal but it can only take you so far. People are limited. And some people more than others.
Us Presidents for the past 14 years: “We are brining the troops home!”
Troops: *still there*
Taliban: *still there*
Civilians: *dead*
I just thought of a terrifying yet interesting thing... space taliban
@@big_yam I doubt they will ever be that advanced while we are alive besides if some communist country gives them supply's for that.
@@big_yam i can imagine the amount of toyota space ships that they'd drive, or maybe they'd tie a rocket to their toyota technical to fly it, who knows
Facts g
Here's your alternative.
Troops: gone
Taliban: still there
Civilians: dead
What we need to be going for.
Troops: gone
Taliban: dead
Civilians: better off.
No wonder they didn't even try when we left it's a bunch of Jr's vs hardened vet killers
Looking back on this every so often, working with ANA or trying to train men into Soldiers has to be the most annoying thing to do when the people don’t wanna cooperate.
Damn man, the Marines look so frustrated, I feel bad for them, having to go so far away from home to fight terrorists, but to no avail. Theirs looks like a lost cause ☹
Not to mention to have to work with child molesters.
Well! I’m sorry that this has been proven true! 😪
@@Whatastic whered u get that info from
Definitely opium or heroin. Those dudes were toasted.
Sam The Sham moron.
/watch?v=XMwBwVYdUvE check this shit out hahah, dudes busted smoking hash.
This Is What Losing Looks Like
This aged really well *
"Look at this guy standing there like a big green pepper."
I couldn't stop laughing at how random it was.
Sum Ting Wong guy was high as fuck
Seems roasting people is a international thing lol
High as a giraffe’s ass!
@@andrewbattle7384 your comment made me wonder what was the first roast in human history be like.
Makes you realize how important education is in fostering developing nations.
It is kinda hard to educate retards with IQ of 70 though.
But there's not much profit in education or adult education, and it takes more than half an election cycle, so the incentive isn't there on the corporate side or the political side.
@@williamchamberlain2263 the incentive should be on the “reduce suffering” side…
@@BrDe135 basic marketing strategy: if there is no suffering, create the impression that there is.
islam destroys the mind, try reading the quran some time and see if you can think afterwards
I knew that us and the afghan people have very different outlooks on society and life but this goes to a whole level I didn’t understand; taking some practically random dudes into confinement for being related to taliban is just unbelievable
How is it unbelievable at all? There is no justification to be related to the taliban in any way, not to mention the security risk and how many people have died because of it. The takeaway you got is the exact opposite. Practically random people my ass, no one is random in a time like that
The "teach us about land mines and tourniquets" hit hard for me. It's clear there's a disconnect on multiple levels if they dont know that kind of important information.
I love how they selled their base at scrap metal
This is when vice reported real news and not an opinion documentary...
second time watching this. the emotions are unlike anything a movie can squeeze into 120 minutes. so visceral, had no idea of the transfer of power/control from PBs to Afghan Forces until the first watch.
the patience in these marine's voices is crushing
so fascinating
When will we get this kind of quality content from Vice again?
Pontius Pilatus probably not in a long time
P F i'm sure easy beezy thugger girl has a new episode coming soon! you guys exited??lol
P F you never will
P F never
This isn't even really vice.
These dudes look like they wouldn't last a day if the Taliban came rolling up on them.
The Taliban aren't much better
@@TheShiz9797 Wrong. Most of the Taliban and ISIS have extensive military training dating back 30+ years. Videos are all over the place, of them tactically taking out ASF and Northern Alliance. As lolwtfbbq said they wouldnt last a day.........and didnt. Once the US Military withdrew shortly after this, ISIS steamrolled the ASF, to the point where they literally threw down their weapons and fled. Compared to most civilized armies, ISIS and Taliban pose little threat to an AC-130 or Apache. But they strike fear into the defenseless locals, who barely know how to use their weapons effectively.
What you mean is most of these guys would join the taliban if they rolled up on them.
taliban and isis have a cause. we can disagree their religious and political views. but the purpose itself is powerful and motivational.
@@haloboy817 Isis training videos are a joke
"Make sure you are firing at the taliban and not civilians"
"It doesnt matter, the civilians are the taliban."
He knew what was up huh
What do u mean what was up lol
Hey Ben, do one called THIS IS WHAT LOSING LOOKS LIKE 2021
if this wasn't a documentary it would be a comedy
It's like the reverse "Pentagon Wars" where if that wasn't a comedy it would be a documentary
Look at VETTV. Great comedy.
i died of laughter when i heard him say the police pulled over civilians and kids and got them to move the sandbags
Thats afghanistan for ya . Everyone is in it together
Yessss they’re stupid asf but they’re funny
After watching this years old documentary, I think EVERYONE could see come what would happen after we leave.
I remember watching this when it first came out. He was so right.
Two tours in that fucking place, all for nothing. I wasted almost two years of my life for sweet fuck all. I'm disgusted. This shit is all true. What a shit show that cess pit is.
Thank you for your service.
That's kind of you to say. You're welcome.
I'm not an American either and I share your respect for my NATO brothers and sisters.
+gurka321 Thank you for your service, bro...
Waste of alot of decent guys on a country filled with garbage through and through.