Is Linux always the answer? - Librem 5 Smartphone
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No. Anthony is always the answer.
Te encuentro en todos lados, qué gusto encontrarte aquí también XD
Preaching to the choir
Totally agree, I could listen to his reviews all day!
no not the answer but the solution
Instantly scrolled down to comment this, pleasantly surprised to see this as the top comment XD
Please create a "learning Linux with Anthony" series!
Yes! I bought an Oryx Pro and I've been running PoP_OS! From his recommendation.
i would watch the fuck out of that
Yes please!
Would be useful for my work and school
upvote upvote a million times upvote
"I wanna like it so much"
100%
The ideas in this thing are awesome, but it feels like 1-2 years and some cash away from being truly epic. Right now its for security types and nerds. Honestly I'd rather donate $20 to the company than buy the phone right now
The problem is the info recolection, the mass production wich is pretty expensive, that makes this phone expensive but with really bad specs
@@user-nz4dr1sy5g There are multiple problems. First off they wanted to use hardware which supports using open drivers and firmware and it was quite some time ago they selected that hardware. Then they also needed a chip which offered the possibility for long term support which isn't quite common for many ARM chips as well.
The price is mostly that high because of the software development which you are paying for besides the actual hardware. They started to port a whole desktop OS by developing an own compositor, a graphical shell, multiple libraries to handle new way of interaction and adjusting already existing applications for the small form factor. There is also pretty much kernel development going on for the chip they are using and the necessary drivers for other builtin parts.
The progress they've made is incredibly huge already. Also all changes are published and upstreamed to the mainline applications and even the kernel. So other phones and similar projects in the future can build on top of that.
Currently, sure the phone isn't quite ready for general consumers who don't want to tinker with anything. But because it's all open source these phones or next generations will pretty much only improve over time because it's not possible to lock away features, improvements or regressing in a way without the users being able to just backroll patches. The removable battery, modem and WiFi-card all enhance the fact that you can enhance or at least repair the device later on.
@@TheJackiMonster i know, i think its a great idea, just some tweeks needed
@@user-nz4dr1sy5g
Ubuntu Touch UI is very usable and more stable than Android. I daily drive Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5 for like 5 years with no problems.
@@Haskellerz Does Ubuntu include a native interface for interaction by touch?
All other review people: camera camera camera! Games!
Anthony: talks about hardware, issues, UI.
Anthony is the best.
Yea he even forgot the about the camera 😂😂
@@ericksmit I mean, it likely isn't anything special...
@@pieceofschmidtgamer probably not. Did you watch the whole video? He goes back and the camera is not even activated so yea.
The point here is most reviewers focus in the camera. Anthony doesn’t seem ti care much about it so much so that he forgot to look at it.
@@ericksmit Thanks for the clarification!
Not to mention he isn't all hyped up and overly excited but rather a regular human being without being boring.
_Anything remotely linux_
Anthony: Ah shit, here we go again.
Anthony makes me curious about Linux tbh.
@@matrixfull
Well these days there are fewer times when a Linux Guru tells that a problem is simple, you just need to recompile the OS with a slight modification. And that is the good thing about Linux, you can change it to fit your needs. Just recompile with you choice of rewritten code.
And no I am not kidding, that was and may still be one of the reasons you are supposed to be thrilled with it.The good news that, as far as I can tell, you can get a range of Linux Distros that made by people that are a bit more in touch with the real world.
@@ethelredhardrede1838 Yeah, but aint nobody got time for that. The vast majority of people that are using Linux (me included) have never compiled a major piece of Linux, nor have any intention or use case to do so.
@@ethelredhardrede1838 The only one that involves "recompiling the entire OS" is Gentoo. I don't run it because that's both inconvenient and also means it takes 600 years to install Firefox.
Surprisingly, 90% of distros are in fact, made by people, and are fairly easy to use until you get to non-native apps. On that note, even that is changing rapidly.
@@matrixfull Give it a shot if you're curious. It's different, but in many cases it's a good different.
Friend: “Do you use iOS or Android?”
Linux phone user: “No.”
*i use arch BTW flex noise
**Cries in windows phone**
This UI is basically ubuntu touch, which feels clunky and slow on my pixel 3a. It's not librem s-specific.
Android phone uses mine
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This is the phone you bring to a Fortune 100 company top management meeting where you are discussing how to bury a scandal but unlike anyone else, you don't have to turn your phone off... you just disable every periphery with a physical switch. That is a win in my book.
And then you lose it on the streets and some bloke reads through all your personal messages while the CEO of EvilCorp can be sure that his iPhone won't be decrypted anytime soon.
r/highlyspecific
Issue is the Phone can and more than likely is still monitoring via mics and camera even though its "off" hell you could drain the battery dead but there could always be a capacitor disguised as a battery or using minimal power charging from said capacity. Multitudes of ways.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 that's what the physical switches are for. The mic and camera may still "listen in" but they won't be sending that data anywhere, and since there's no place to store it, it's gone.
@@kalebrosenberg8294 it's a Linux phone. No idea if it comes with encryption by default but you can definitely set it up.
I'm glad that Anthony is doing a review on this, I have been legitimately looking into buying a Librem5
The ram is the major cause of slowdown.
Same
Did yours arrive?
babe: why didn't you answer my phone call?
me: i forgot to use sudo
underrated comment right here. got an honest laugh out of me.
sudo will you marry me?
Sorry babe but kernal don’t accept the heart emoji
Ohh.. snap
Imagine getting a phone call and you have to update all the time
"I don't use Android because I don't want to mess around with my phones"
*Proceeds to buy a Linux Phone*
Dammit you beat me to it!!!
Ok but this is the kind of messing he likes
Yeah and with android, say a pixel you can decide to mess around with it or more likely, leave it as is.
That is precisely the reason I got a Samsung phone and NOT root it since I needed the knox security (military grade) for banking apps, eWallet etc, plus secure folders....My other phone is naturally rooted and heavily modified....Viper eq audio
Android is a fork, doesn't follow the mainstream Linux upgrades, and all Android phones I know off are very limited in what you can do, install and update. Like stupidly limited. You can't even easily open a terminal, or update the kernel!
Anthony: uses linux, windows and MacOs
OS wars: understandable, have a nice day
I especially like that he uses the correct OS for the specific jobs, he actually is an expert!
I understand Linux and Android, I understand Windows as a console. Apple stuff though is really baffling.
@@sinekonata Apple makes great, powerful laptops and phones that just work seamlessly with said laptops. Like Anthony said he’s had bad experiences with Android and so have a lot of people. He tinkers with a lot of things so when it comes to phones he just wants it to work. A laptop with Linux would probably also suit his needs, but few devices out there rival the build quality of a MacBook. Especially his 2012 MacBook Pro 15
@@matthewtompkins4338 Apple stuff is crazy expensive for what it offers in terms of quality and features but I assume he has enough money that paying the Apple tax isn't a concern for him. So if we focus on the software part of it, what has macos/ios to offer over the alternatives? It really is baffling that a power user would be interested in the fool proof advantages of it rather than in the much greater control even a Windows or Android user has over their OS. Let alone Linux users. How a power user can stand the walled garden at all is beyond me. I know a few developers who use Mac, but they're pretty transparent about it that they're willing to sacrifice control for staying truer to their (aspiring) social class. This guy doesn't seem that interested in social status though.
I'm assuming he's a power user, but I don't really know for sure though. I assumed so because he likes Linux but now that I think about it that's no guarantee that he knows much about software. After all, any software nerd would be super excited to start playing around with the phone immediately, plugging it to a keyboard/monitor or installing shit on it. Maybe even start coding or hacking it. But he didn't seem that excited about any of that.
> so when it comes to phones he just wants it to work
But android also just works. Maybe in the US it's culturally much harder not to buy Apple stuff. That's probably going to be my guess for this all.
@@sinekonata They’re Canadian, not in the US. Developers generally like MacOS because of the Terminal, being a Unix based system and all. That on top of the excellent hardware and user-friendly software make it a no-brainer for mobile use. Anthony’s laptop is 9 years old. Most laptops don’t get that old before crapping out. Not only that, but Apple products really aren’t that expensive. Let’s look at a few comparisons.
For MacBooks, other products in its class are things like the HP Specter, Dell XPS, and Lenovo ThinkPad X1. All of these are at an identical price point. It comes down to preference in Anthony’s case. But in the case of buying a new laptop the Macs win, because the M1 silicon is efficient and powerful compared to other ultrabooks in that price bracket.
For iPhones, it’s pretty easy to compare. You’ve got the $700 flagship, the $1000 pro version, and the $400 budget phone. All of these have competition in their respective price brackets. None of them are more expensive than any other comparable phone such as the Google Pixels or Samsung Galaxies
Lots of people want devices that just work if they have no interest in messing with them. Android has come a long way but a lot of people just prefer the iOS experience. Me personally? I use Linux as a daily driver for my desktop and have an iPhone, and want a MacBook Air for my mobile computer. I used to have an Android phone. Didn’t like it. Didn’t care to mess with it. Don’t like supporting Google when I can help it either.
The Apple Tax doesn’t really apply to most of the consumer devices like headphones, laptops, and phones. Linus even breaks down in their iMac Pro repair that a similarly specced desktop would have cost nearly the exact same (where the huge cost came in was replacement parts)
Macs aren’t about “social status.” They’re a valuable tool for a mobile workstation environment, especially to software developers. If your friends can’t quantify to you why they prefer a Mac for their work, I can only assume they don’t know much about what they’re doing or they don’t think you know that much about what they’re doing.
"Headphone jack. That way you know they are lacking courage". 😂
I'd argue it's actually the opposite
@@nat6106 I cant imagine anyone would mind having a headphone port in addition to having bluetooth, but not having one will piss off anyone who want to use headphones with a jack
@Socio Cynical shittooth the battery murderer
Funny
ummmm nooooooooooooooo!
I honestly want linus to make this his main driver for a week just to hear the rant.
Yesss
Same 😂
If had seen where they were year ago with Librem 5 they did make some improvements but it will take at least 3 to 4 years for them to just improve this to provide a 2015 smartphone experience.
Linus is not capable of daily driving this
Oh man.
Anthony needs his own show. How about a weekly show where he does a technical deep dive on a subject? Instant hit.
Yes, please!
even watching glue dry with Anthony wouldn't be boring
and in the end he will surpass Linus and creates AnthonysTechTips
Like teaching us how to crack WPA
Actually Anthony needs his own McDonalds.
“That’s the cost of made in USA”
Yup lol
I bet their operations can be made more efficient
@@davidharmon3614 ya but I’m not sure how you can make sewing on a label/plugging in a battery cable any quicker (the ways most us companies make made in USA stuff)
'merica! grrr
lol
If you are really paranoid about China spying on you, I understand buying the USA model. I know that some servers that the US Government bought from Supermicro had a little chip that would be used to make it easier for the CCP to hack the server. That's the cost of cheap.
Firstly, yes there is a lot of work to be done on the Librem 5. Even the hardware was still evolving until recently. Hardware acceleration has been on the to-do list for a while now, but the focus is on privacy first, then user experience. Certain public and private entities have made the former focus a real challenge over the last year. Next, for those who want to order one, you will have to be patient. It may take literally years to get your phone. I've been waiting for my first since 2018. The supply chain is generally not privacy friendly; patience and tenacity are required in this fight. Finally, I would love to see more content related to emerging open-source options to mainstream devices. I thought this review was honest, insightful, and entertaining.
Aint worth it. I rather give my privacy away to google for a functioning product that works.
@@441meatloaf Some people have a stronger need for privacy. In cases like this, the Pinephone Pro is a great option.
sudo answer-phone -f -i /dev/mic1 -o /dev/spk1
-Hello!
-Why did you take so long to answer?
-New phone
Smh not even aliased
> Are you using a Librem 5?
< Yeah!
> Did you answer this call using sudo?
< ...
Phone hacked
Haha got a good laugh out of that one :)
@@arax20 I always alias sudo to "please".
please apt-get update
please nano [path to some config file]
makes using linux much more wholesome.
@@fredwupkensoppel8949 lol big brain
You know the phone is kinda thicc, when the Headphone Jack looks rather small.
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@@walidfakhfakh3660 u ok?
@@happychappyperson4322 read lot of your dragon slayer when it's not that many citizens are they going to stop for this software are you do when the snow is it supposed to snow
@@walidfakhfakh3660 Are you using autocomplete, or are you just trolling?
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I just want a phone I can text, call, store my photos on without worrying that my pre installed calculator app has access to it.
Nokia 3200 has a whole megabyte of memory to store your pics
look at some of the flip phones, my brother has a Nokia 2720 Flip, it leterally has just enough memory to run one app a the time.
It does have internet, whatsapp, but like if you get a phone call and an SMS there's no way for you to go back and read the message while on the phone.
so yeah that thing can text, call, store photos, and has a calculator, but non of the apps can run in the background.
This is the kind of phone the computer guy in a heist crew would use to rob places.
Six feet under? Do it yourself
Anthony's on camera presence has gotten significantly better, much more personal.
Hows that a good thing? He's not as entertaining as any of the other guys on the crew.
@@kfj6709 Dude it's a great thing he's getting more on camera and getting recognized for it. He's unique and honestly what seems like just a super wholesome person. Honestly, I enjoy him more then Linus sometimes. And to follow up with that, LTT is definitely not the place for straight mainstream entertainment, all the time. I mean this is a video about a Linux cell phone for crying out loud, you can't tell me that is main stream entertainment lol. We need Anthony for videos like that.
@@kfj6709 man theres no reason to shit on anthony. frankly even if he is less entertaining, at the very least he is extremely knowledgeable.
@@padenbeecher Yeah, he's much more grounded and pleasant than Linus most of the time.
Loud, flashy stuff is so abundant on CZcams in general and this channel in particular, that it's honestly nice to not have someone screaming into my face constantly, while trying to be hilarious. ^^
@@kfj6709 Heretic
You really need to review the one other linux phone: the PinePhone
third that
fourth that
Quintuple that
cb,jgftcvj that
Agreed!
this is genuinely really exciting for me, not just the fact that it runs open source linux but also the fact that it's so modular, i would love it if in 5 or 10 years I could pick and choose what kind of components were in my phone. I think this is just a proof on concept more than anything but i'd love to see it developed more in the future
Thanks, Anthony. I love the depth and honest enthusiasm even though you clearly were disappointed.
"The anti Zuckerberg phone"
Parents: "Already got Facebook set up!"
@@user-tm3fz7qx3s bruh mom u just got that phone...
Tbh this is annyoing lmao
We are setting the phone up for being optimal and they setup is just Facebook
That would be Donald Trump's phone
@@leonidas14775 I'd like to think Donald Trump could afford a phone that comes with a virtual assistant to stroke his ego
The saltzburg phone
Anthony: I don’t want to mess with my phone all the time.
Also Anthony: I want to tinker on my phone all the time
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@@fatimaabdeldaim4005 what is this
I guess it's this thing where it's more fun to do when you don't have to and you're not supposed to tinker with something. Anthony is more of a rogue tinkerer, he needs the thill of doing things you're not supposed to do
He is a deep and complex man.
@@esatd34 Spam.
Amazing ltt is coving the librem 5. Got suuper excited when i saw the thumbnail!!
Thank you I was hopping to see a review of this phone
I think we all NEED more Anthony. He is just always in a chill mood.
Purism seriously need their own Anthony...imagine Anthony being in charge..hell this phone would be amazingggg!!
no one except nerds will use 5 different OS and Linux which doesnt has "earthly" apps like even MS Office. stop this bullshit please.
You should really start a channel dedicated to Linux/FOSS and put Anthony at the head off the project.
Linux Tech Tips.
I second that. Motion carries.
TONY TECH TIPS
I also vote for Anthony Tech Tipps
@@Daidera91 TONY TECH TIPS
Anthony: the definition of Vendor Fluid
Underrated comment
"it isn't really fast" - Yes, Gnome
take that back!
at least its faster than plasma
@@abhrajyoti2589 No it's not, KDE Plazma is actually out performing just about any DE with functionality and customization far beyond them. There are plenty of videos on YT comparing that, and anyways it's really to test it out. Personally KDE Neon is just vastly better than Windows 10 in almost every way, except gaming... Regardless of the fact that Linux support is growing rapidly thx to Steam Proton, it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't always work on every system nor every game.
@@abhrajyoti2589 from personal experience, i disagree
@@kiloneie seeing this comment a year later, after recently switching to linux for gaming, and having had basically zero issues really gives me hope for the future of software.
Those physical switches on the side, especially for the selfie camera and microphones, are so cool!
* Happy paranoid sounds * :)
The camera protection is doubled by the fact the system doesn’t support it
Also, it has the best privacy as you can literally off the radar by turning off wifi and bluetooth
@@bullymaguire6388 Radio, mate, *radio*.
yes
"I'll support only fully made in the USA products! How much is it?"
"$2000."
"...on the other hand, international manufacture and trade is the way to go..."
This really needs to change. I know it's not gonna happen overnight, and it's probably gonna be painful, but Asia has had us in a manufacturing stranglehold for way too long.
American labor is too damn expensive .
$100 per day vs $100 per month.
Unless the Us gone fully automated, you gonna pay a premium price
@@arnox4554 ..you really need to know what it takes to out run asia and bring the manufacturing force back to the us where labor laws are much stricter and wages are much higher and much higher cost for source material import because we cant make them etc etc.. even if by some miracle we manage to out do asia there’s africa waiting up next as the upcoming biggest population/market, right at home with most source materials to compete with. afterall this is what free market does.. easiest way would be going full ussr but thats a big fucking tradeoff for such a non issue
@@chrischen6664 where the hell do you life and get your infos from? all the semiconductors etc are still asian so there is no change there. the actual assembly takes place in china for usual phones. china has not a wage of 100 dollars per month. more like 600 euros, equals about 750 dollars, and they get their rent paid beforehand. chinas wages arent that bad when you look at their expenses. also tesla for example, pays absolute shit. here in germany they pay a worker 2,6k flat, daimler pays 3,8 to 5,5 before taxes.
@@chrischen6664 its just that american companys are even more greedy. even if the niche is making it more expensive.
As a person that uses Windows, Linux and macOS I have a quesion for you: How does your Keyboard setup look like. I'm always confused between mac and the others
I use a standard UK windows keyboard, which works exactly as I expect. Having realised my 'Windows' key did literally nothing, I just remapped it to 'pop-up-menu'
May be it's not that bad for an english keyboard, but my keyboard has a german layout and therefore the position of the brackets is different to english due to the umlaut-keys. My main problem is that theses brackets are on different positions between mac and win/lux and they are essential for my work (programming). With every switch between the systems I need several attempts to get the right bracket... Instead of thinking about the problem I'm trying to solve I'm thinking about the right key to press; hit the wrong and correct it. - It's annoying :(
Went ANSI layout and never looked back, keyboard works the same just no Win key.
Hotkeys will always be a problem, but that's nothing a macro couldn't fix.
But in reality I just never use hotkeys, the changes don't really bother me.
@@niccommander i'm german, been using a UK ISO layout for years now, you can switch between layout maps in windows using Win+Space.
I mostly sit on the UK layout for literally everything except when having to type german.
I may found the perfect good solution: EurKEY (eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/?lang=en). It's based on QWERTY but adds umlauts on the 'ALT GR' Layer. Its available for Win/Linux and mac
Keep the Linux videos coming! Would love one about the state of vr and overclocking on Linux
I read for a sec "is linus the answer"
Haha
That question is obviously obsolete... because of course he is
@@z1mke qaàa
That took me way to long to realise it didn't say linus
He is he is...
"It's fine." -Anthony
Is Anthony secretly from the neutral planet?
@@CyberDragon10K Switzerland planet*
He just doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
-also every woman ever.
We NEED Anthony in the "It's fine burning room" meme!
Anthony should host/take part in more videos! Love it
I absolutely LOVE Anthony's reviews.
I really do wish these Linux-powered smartphone projects all the best. They're not quite fully there yet, but they're definitely improving bit by bit, and it's great to see.
If actually get it already if my bank has a website and not just a web app
idk, i've owned several linux phones (since ubuntu touch first came out) and they always have felt this way with little to no improvement. it's neat, but there is little to no support for it.
I wish there was a polished Ubuntu Phone distro available for as many phones as possible ... And my OnePlus 7 Pro :-)
It could become my main and only "PC" as we know it, with a native desktop UI.
@@nordic-chan Have you tried PinePhone with Manjaro and KDE Plasma?
I hope they will overcome the initial problems within the next 2-3 years and snowball the same way desktop Linux does. At some point, if they become large enough, then major companies will start pouring resources into development and it'll take off.
"heaphone jack, thats how you know that they are uh, lacking courage "
Funny enough in Purism page they say that they have the "courage"to not follow trends like a sheep.
@@MasterGeekMX Like iSheep.
@Zippy Dastrange phones without removable batteries are still stupid. To replace the damn battery in my phone (got one like that because couldn't afford one that had everything I wanted including the removable battery & headphone jack) I have to heat up the sides of the damn back cover so the seal melts down a bit so that I can use a plastic thingie to slowly lift off the back cover, disconnect the battery's pins and then replace the battery, reverse the back cover opening process with new glue/seal thing application and keep it tight with some rubber bands for hours until the crap seal dries enough for the back cover to not to fall apart while I'm using it.
Takes some time once in a while to do all these plus I don't think these connection pins are the most reliable way to install a battery. Almost damaged one while installing my last battery here.
@Zippy Dastrange I don't need that much storage yet but at the time I was looking for a phone it was either heating up like crazy socs (although enough performance for my needs) or "ok, doesn't heat up but slow as fuck shit, can't even switch between some chat apps without waiting the whole operation to take like 10 seconds" ones. So I've had to go with a mi 6 once I've found a daily discount from some retailer, and luckily no issues with it so far. Other than the fact that I can't lock my bootloader up if don't want to use that shitty, now unsupported stock rom I mean.
~
Now things are in a less shitty shape so I'll probably get 2 budget-y(probably the same model so I can use one as the backup of the other), one with stock experience without any fuss, banking fux etc to be in it and the other one with again unlocked bootloader and all my non stock stuff in it.
Hate to be contributing to the e-waste pile but I don't see any other way in today's market.
@Zippy Dastrange report as spam and done
"ice weasel" is the most tv show parody thing I've ever seen
Anthony is the most wholesome guy I have seen till now I love you dude 😊
I've had my Librem 5 for about a year and the improvement in that time has been amazing. I don't disagree with anything you said, but I also like to think about the Librem 5 differently from other smartphones. For one thing, though they started with an existing OS, it still took an immense amount of work to get all of the drivers, compositor and shell implemented to get it working on a phone-sized device. As for UI polish, iOS and Android have been polishing their UIs for more than ten years. I am hopeful that given some time, Purism and the Open Source community will be able to improve it drastically. With respect to the price, there is a lot of subsidizing that happens with modern phones (for example companies that want their app to come preinstalled and not be able to be uninstalled), Purism certainly doesn't do that yet and the assumption is that they never will. Also, volumes on the Librem 5 are pretty low. I expect that any large phone manufacturer would never develop a phone that they expected to only sell as many as the Librem 5 has sold. More volume means lower prices.
I was never really all that interested in the privacy aspect of the Librem 5. I just wanted a smartphone running Linux and the Librem 5 is that. Though, as you point out, it is not really comparable to existing smartphones now. The only other real option that I am aware of is the Pinephone which has a very different ideology. So, I want both Purism and Pine to succeed and continue to develop Linux as a mobile OS option. I hope that one day mobile Linux can compete with iOS and Android in the same way that desktop Linux completes with Windows and OSX. Desktop Linux. And just like in the desktop space, I don't expect mobile Linux to ever capture the same market share that desktop Windows and OSX have, I just hope it lasts as a viable alternative. Also as with desktop Linux, switching from iOS or Android to mobile Linux will require some sacrifices and adjustments to how you do things. Very few-if any-of the popular apps are ever going to show up in the PureOS store. If you still want to use those apps, you will likely have to do it through a browser which is frequently a less than ideal option.
Purism has open sourced most-if not all-of their software and hardware and a lot of code written by them has been merged into upstream projects. So, even if they aren't able to continue to produce the Librem 5. The barrier of entry for developing a Linux smartphone has been lowered.
I thought your review was very fair and I would provide the same tl;dr as you did to anyone considering the Librem5: It isn't ready for use by the average person, but it might be worth watching if you have a use case that it matches. If all you care about is a fancy UI and all of the apps you already use, mobile Linux is unlikely to ever be the right option for you. If however, you want to move away from companies that sell your data, mobile Linux might be a step in that direction. If you want a phone that gives you all control, mobile Linux is a great choice. And if privacy is everything to you, the Librem 5 may be your only option because of the hardware kill switches and isolated radio modules.
I backed the campaign in 2017, so it was a long wait to get my device but I don't regret that choice.
I think once they got the hardware and basic apps all figured out, everything else will improve VERY quickly and probably even outpace Android phones completely.
There's an issue with how Linux companies makes money though, or the lack of. There needs to be a will to pay for software to make these projects profitable. Support your developers!
Seriously considering a Linux phone. I dont care about Apps and actually use DuckDuckGo for almost everything.
What i specifically care about is securing my future Data and strengthening my Privacy.
However, $2k is quite the pill to swallow. Maybe get a PinePhone and Linux Laptop to carry along. Do you recommend a specific brand Linux Laptop? (ThinkPad T or ?)
@@noenaame2856 Certainly. And that is why I want Purism to succeed. They sell the hardware and that funds the development of the software. It is great to donate to the software projects you use, but having a company like Purism behind a project allows for developers to work on it full-time.
@@lynchcreekmuzzy5759 The $2000 Librem is only the “Made in the USA” version. Which you may or may not need. I think that version is mainly intended for people with a threat model that includes state actors intercepting the supply chain. I would expect that very few people have such a threat model and those that do know who they are. It’s also possible that the USA version is a way to make sure not to support companies with bad human rights histories. I don’t pretend to know a great deal about that. If I knew that the standard version was produced in factories that were violating human rights, I would definitely be willing to pay the $1200 to ensure I wasn’t supporting that assuming I absolutely needed an L5. But I don’t know that, and and I don’t know how much better the USA version is.
The standard version is $799 USD. Which, while still high for the specs, is much more accessible.
I have heard good and bad things about the Pine Phone just as there are good and bad things about the L5. I think the main selling points of the L5 over the Pine phone are slightly higher specs and isolated radio modules.
As for Laptops, Purism also sells laptops running their Debian based PureOS that is also geared towards privacy. But they are expensive. I have never purchased a laptop with Linux pre-installed, but if that is what you want System76 has laptops with their Debian based PopOS. Though they are also expensive. I think ShortCirtuit did a review of a System76 laptop previously. Then there is the route of just finding a good laptop and installing Linux on it. That is what I do when I need a Linux laptop.
"From Todd"… *starts up phone* "Hey you, you’re finally awake. You were trying to cross the border, right?"
this feels _oddly_ specific
@@openlink9958 *Toddly* specific
@@TheBigAEC ok, that got a legitimate lol out of me. plus a few good chuckles.
Walked right into that Imperial ambush, same as us, and that thief over there.
Darn you Stormcloaks. Skyrim was fine until you came along. Empire was
nice and lazy. If they hadn’t been looking for you, I could’ve stolen
that horse and been half way to Hammerfell. You there. You and me - we
should be here. It’s these Stormcloaks the Empire wants.
Reminds me of my first smartphone - was Linux-based - Sharp Zaurus SL-5500. Was like 2003 and I remember spending time compiling apps and games to run on it - was tons of fun but endless tinkering was needed.
Dream come true, just wait for a few versions into the future
"Up to 2TB of microSD storage"
Who needs a laptop anyway?
i mean it literally is just a micro computer with apps made to work on that small of a screen, you can just connect the usb c to a dongle and use it with a monitor or tv and a keyboard and mouse
@@patsyl8935 so it's just a less modular Raspberry Pi - for desktop use (with 1,9TB more possible storage lol)
I mean a laptop has better websites because of a larger screen and better for stuff like work on Microsoft office applications and are more powerful but I suppose you have a point else Samsung Dex wouldn't be a thing they would be marketing. Phone are just smaller less powerful laptops with the keyboard removed
My relatively crap Moto G6 also supports up to 2 TB microSD, but then again that doesn't (can't?) run Linux and has a rather poor SoC.
@@fly1ngsh33p7 that can also be used as a phone and has a battery in it (plus data if you want)
"Headphone jack... that's how you know that they're lacking courage."
anthony - professional man of culture
Actually they had the courage to remove it and then put it back
@@gylsky5694 Bluetooth and wireless headphones are so good already that you really don't need it. I have stupid expensive (but the best) genelec speakers for my pc setup, but after I switched to bluetooth earbuds I could never go back. It's just way too convenient. And especially now with true wireless, something like samsung buds+ sound and comfort are really good.
@@mukkaar I wish galaxy buds could go a bit louder
@@mukkaar a pair of wired ear buds is alot cheaper and more convenient then bluetooth earbuds or headphones and having a headphone jack is far better then dealing with wireless all the time just because the manufacturer wants to save 60 cents and not slap a port in their phone. Not to mention you don't need to charge wired earbuds
11:00 that's a great voice man!!!
I'm glad this phone is getting some attention on this channel. I've been wondering about this phone for years.
Doesn't like Android phones, 'cause "I don't really wanna have to mess around with my phone all the time"
Gets excited about a Linux phone...
Thats the point. If this was the daily driver, he will mess arround all the time.
There is a noticable difference. On Android phones, you can't do *some* things you might want to do, whereas on Linux phones you can do *anything* you might want to do. Android needs apps specifically made for Android, whereas Linux just needs a Linux package that you'd get for the desktop.
Grab an old Nexus 4 or 5 (not 5X) off Ebay and load Ubuntu Touch on it. Then you can see what Linux is really capable of on a smartphone. Canonical was further along in 2016 than Purity is now. It's actually quite nice to have a phone that YOU control....
"What do you prefer? Android or iOS?"
"No."
Well that's like choosing between chlamydia and aids.
@@CheapBastard1988 I'd rather have chlamydia than aids tho... at least chlamydia can be cured :^)
“I use my samsung smart toaster, thank you”
@@FinlayDaG33k That's the thing: One is worse than the other but you really don't want either.
I like windows phone. It's got tiles ;)
the "lacking courage" comment made this vid pure bliss ^^ awesome stuff
I plan on getting one of these eventually. The kill switches are just too good, and I can then make it have any GUI I want it to.
Ahhh yes, finally I can run my drug ring on a smartphone without the need of a brick.
Just a slightly smaller brick
@@AsTheCrowFlies745 more of a thick tile...
No, last time I put "Linux" as all of my Test answers, I failed.
Clearly your teacher needs to get an education.
You failed because you mistyped all of them as "Linus"
🤣
that's because it's GNU/Linux.
I put miata
Mx5 is always the answer
Didn't work either
Amazing. Full desktop OS in a phone. Even audacity works. Wow.
I'm 31 seconds into the video and I am absolutely compelled to say that I've missed you man. Feels like a long time since we've seen you in a video and that's always a shame. But I'm glad you're here now. Anyway, I've got to watch the rest of this now.
Anthony's 'murica voice is absolutely perfect
agreed. completely overdone and ostentatious. thats us!
He could narrate movie trailers!
Anthony’s american voice impression was pretty accurate
The entry in the book for the Librem 5: "mostly usable"
My phone case fits pretty tight on my Moto G6 play, I just put the case back on yesterday, I've had a pube stuck in the bottom left corner, since then. I just thought now to lift that corner of the case to get it out. Thanks Anthony
It's so wholesome how we all never had a conversation about it, but somehow all agreed that Anthony is kinda the greatest.
Hiiii 😊 always love to see people comment that i have seen befor.
People have been having conversations about it since he first appeared on video.
@@Dryblack1 oh ik, but even then, we were all like MORE ANTHONY.
ME: why do you love Anthony that much?
*checking his videos*
ME: Understandable, have a nice day!
He's a big lovable teddy bear kind of a guy.
At 0:24 I found out I don't know Anthony at all.
This made me laugh for real!!!!
boots the phone first thing, opens terminal
Bless you Anthony. Honest and quality reviews.
Anthony is straight up killing it with these reviews.
He also ended several animals just for his breakfast.
I love hardware wireless switches so much.
The OG 3DS had one.
Never used mine
whot, eh, then again i was kid when i had mine, had no concerns for such stuff
O2 XDA and HP ipaq had this
Only real use it had, was for hacked devices to stay offline lol.
@@odinsplaygrounds One would think if you can get to the point where you hack a unit to do whatever you wanted to hack it for, you'd be able to at least remove a feature like that already.
Fantastic video. If possible you should get your hands on Pinephone. And maybe do a comparison of some sort.
I admire anthony, the way he discuss his content very informative.
REPLACEABLE BATTERY IN THIS DAY OF AGE!?
I want this.
You can even replace the cellular modem and the WiFi-card because they are fully separate modules. Also because the hardware switches disable parts in the phone by cutting off power, you also draw less battery life while toggled off.
day of age????
Get the Samsung Galaxy Xcover Pro it's was released a year ago.
@@MiGujack3 Damn, wish I'd known about that before I got the Pixel 4...
They still sell brand new Samsung Note 4 on eBay. Memory card expansion, battery replacement, 4k video and only about £200/$300. The battery inside is wrapped in plastic if not charging! Better phone LOL
Pinephone is a cheaper alternative if you want to tinker with a linux phone.
Not just cheaper a small fraction the cost while being less bulky and having pretty much the same hardware spec. They aren't developing an OS for it though, Pine just leaves that to the community.
@@cutchyacokov which is great. i got a pinephone. i'm getting annoyed of the manjaro version, but trying another distro is as easy as switching sd.
@@cutchyacokov iMX8 is way faster than Pinephone's Allwinner SOC. It is understandable because of the price difference but saying that it has pretty much the same hardware is an exaggeration. The Mali-400 GPU in Pine is especially slow - even Tuxkart will have a problem running on that with more than 10-15 FPS.
Idk what it is about your voice man but seriously gets me watching love the videos
Owned a Mobile phone running linux in 2010, a Nokia N900 (800x480 with resistive touch, 256mb ram, cortex 600mhz A8). It was running maemo, which was based on debian. It also had terminal and full physical keyboard. Alot of fun :-)
When this thing is more fully developed I could really see myself getting one
Sailfish OS on Xperia 10 is pretty stable. It has been out for 2 years.
Ubuntu Touch on Nexus 5 is pretty stable. I used it for 5 years.
@@Haskellerz I ran Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 4 for a couple months with no issues. Best smartphone experience I've ever had.
yes, it's the way the way of the future should be.
The cool thing is if you got the time for it, you can actually help it get more fully developed.
@@Haskellerz exactly what i thought. if you wanna mess with your phone then why not just put linux on it yourself? (and get a way better phone too)
First glance: "Is Linus always the answer?"
Me: WOW, new drama at LTT. Anthony claiming opposition to Linus?
Second glance: "Oh, Linux. Nevermind."
Linus is always the answer, but it's the good Linus, and not Linus McDropTech.
Samee 😂😂
linus meth tips
@@angolin9352 McDropTech
From what I understand they have a system set up so it's easy to have bash scripts and the like create a touch-friendly interface, so you can create custom scripts while you have a keyboard, then use them on the go.
I agree, though, that its big selling point is really how in control of it you are, and that's not so much of a selling point unless you're linux-savvy enough to know what to do with that control. As a long time linux-only guy, personally, I think it sounds pretty great, especially considering what I _actually_ use my phone for (as opposed to what seems cool but I never end up doing anyway).
It's a genuine general purpose computer, that you can run whatever you want on (if it runs on arm, anyway), and customize however you want, that fits in your pocket, and has a cell modem. I don't care about the latest and greatest proprietary apps, but I _would_ like to be able to (for example) use git-annex to automatically sync my files between my phone and my other systems. This is possible on android, but you really have to jump through hoops. Here, it would be no more difficult than on my desktop.
I have been waiting for Liux phones. Love the fact you can physically shut off the mic and camera.
You're a few years late. Canonical partnered with 3 different companies to launch Linux phones a few years ago running Ubuntu Touch.
@@aaronthomas6155 I am aware but this phone incorporates a few functions not available before that protect my privacy even further than ever before.. Also this is the most modern implantation that mainstream users can use without having to learn a whole new system and style. It allows much faster implementation for novices.
I have a PinePhone (for development purposes). I'd recommend Anthony get back to this in a year or two, things are improving a lot thanks to us having these devices!
PinePhones look really promising too and are considerably cheaper. I'm thinking of getting one myself next time I change phones.
@@hindigente did you get your Pinephone Pro?
Did you get the pine phone 2?
“As you can see, it is a thicc boi *laugh*”
Can someone make a ringtone out of that?
Why don't you
yes
As far as I know, you can install pretty much any of the mobile linux distros on this thing besides purism. That would be Ubuntu touch, Mobian (mobile debian) and there were a few others I think. Maybe do a follow-up video exploring how those stack up to PurismOS?
Anthony videos are the only ones I watch in full 1080p otherwise my regular stream settings are 240p.
The Pinephone might leave a better impression.
Might.
It's also very early. I'd say give both five years or so, then take a proper look. They're basically glorified beta devkits at this point in time.
@@8NCLI8 Honestly they're taking a hot minute. If they don't catch up these models will become obsolete and we'll have to make do with a next iteration.
Of course, since they're Linux based perhaps they won't actually become unsupported. Just the hardware will be stuck in the past a bit.
And perhaps one day they'll become stable too.
Currently it's worse, but it is a lot cheaper.
@@nodezsh not like phone hardware has *really* gone anywhere for at least the past 5 years, or arguably even the last 10 years. The main differences between a phone from 5-10 years ago and a phone from right now are things like bigger screens, better performance/watt, better cameras (and a massive part of picture quality is actually software), and other relatively minor incremental upgrades. There haven't really been any revolutionary new changes to the basic design of a smartphone for a long time, and it's unlikely there will be. The big hurdle with Linux phones is getting the software working, and once you get it working with current hardware it's gonna work even better with future hardware.
Personally I'm still using a phone from 2015 and I see zero reason to upgrade to a new model from a hardware point of view. The manufacturers know this, which is why they try to obsolete old models by dropping software support.
@@brnddi You're actually right, the software hasn't become more demanding and so the hardware has had no reason to catch up.
Perhaps that's good for our wallets. Perhaps not so much for the motivation of engineers. I don't actually know, I don't know what the current state of hardware is when we get that deep. Perhaps we'll get open source hardware development soon?
GIVE US MORE ANTHONY. Seriously. I love this guy. If I see him, I will watch.
It's hilarious I've watched the video the day it came and it's still reminded me for 5 days so far this is of interest still.you still da bomb though !
11:02 ohhh my gooodnesss - soooo goooooood mimicking of that advt voice
"I don't like calling it guh-nome." Thank you for saying out loud what everyone is thinking.
...We need to rescue FLOSS from the boomers. I mean, jesus christ, the entire goddamn world from supercomputers to crock pots runs on software that came from the brain that thought "Gnu's Not Unix" was funny.
OMG YES!!! People who call it “guh-nome” are terrible
@@yendisfish1439 Except "guh-NOME" is the official pronunciation from the creators of the project. It's not terrible to respect a creator's wishes.
@@GrahamMitchell1974 time for me to die
@@GrahamMitchell1974 Screw them and the GIF guy too!
There's on big glaring mistake in this review
This isn't the cost of privacy, this is the cost of DRM, licenses, and everything being patent-able.
This comment needs to be pinned!
Thank you! That's exactly right!
That’s true. The cost of privacy is the cost of an iPhone. Still more than an Android, but not this much more. This is more the cost of low volume.
The point of this phone is privacy tho, and this is the only real way to get it, so in the context they where talking about, yes, it is the cost of privacy
@@babybirdhome are you seriously trying to say owning an iPhone has any real privacy advantages? Wtf
I like your approach - not brands but what you need. Best way to get what you want.
GNOME can also be pronounced “Gee Nome”
Linux is a cool OS.
Can also be pronounced Know Me. Or nomnomnom
Kernel
Kernel
YOU CAN DEACTIVATE CAMERA MECHANICALLY? YESSSIR IM HOOKED
@Sum Ting Wong 深丁黃 Time to code you own or wait for community contribution.
thicc boi
Sure if you don't mind paying $800 for a barely functional $200 phone.
I can do that with a $2 roll of black electrical tape
@@PacificEmperor the first kind of any phone is always looks like a brick but it will improve. And I hope tech geek and infosec people gets their hands on it so the code will be open source and safe enough to be a daily driver.
@@leonidas14775 yeah if you want to seal your camera forever numbnut
I'm a simple man. I see a thumbnail with Anthony in it, I click the video.
WE LOVE YOU ANTHONY! give us more vids.
I like this content, you can tell Anthony is genuinely excited about the potential it represents. And I second others that say Anthony deserves his own Linux/FOSS-focused segment.. I'd watch that religiously.
Regarding this phone... I think other than smoothing out their manufacturing process, the hardware is there, if underpowered and a bit vintage by now... what's really lacking on this and every other Linux smartphone project is as always the software. There are efforts to develop a proper phone UI shell but as always... UI/UX seems to be an area that FOSS really struggles with 🙃
I'm really hoping they can get there hands on a pinephone, be nice to see the more than just the librem
I already made a forum post about this. It's another one of those videos where they buy a product and pretend like it represents the rest of its product group. Buying a Librem 5 doesn't mean you can draw conclusions of the usability of a Linux phone.
@@levitatingbusinessman2560 exactly, the librem5 probably isn't the best to showcase what a Linux phone could be, look at the pinephone which has a much larger community, far more OS choices and dare I say, a lot more polish.
But I'll keep personal hangups on the librem5 out of CZcams comments for obvious reasons
@@lxmcf The Librem works with most or all mobile Linux distros. OSs being tied to specific phones is a proprietary thing.
I have one, it's even slower than the Puri.sm one. I don't have Librem 5 on hand, but I can see how quickly or slowly things open up, and Pine64 is FAR worse . It's so noticably worse you can see it while someone else on other other side of a screen is doing it. It's nowhere near to be ready to be used every day
Anthony and Wendell colab should happen.
Get a pinephone and do a deep dive.
Anthony only collaborates with McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, and several other fast food giants.
I humbly request that when you review PHONES you test them by placing a PHONE call, and seeing how they work with mobile network reception.
I like this videos. A guy that knows everything about mac, windows, linux and hardware. Never before seen it, great.