WHY the Trinity doctrine is FALSE
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- The facts Checkmate Trinitarian doctrine. Trinitarians have no escape from this problem but to run and hide from it and to flee from the truth instead of face it honestly. Straight forward simple facts demand acknowledgment of the obvious truth. Those who love the truth know what to do. The only true God is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and there is no other God but the God of Jesus. And concerning those who do not love the truth, we also know what they will do. Men everywhere love their man-made idols much more than the true God, the God of our Lord. This is the way of deluded defiant men, those who deny and defy the truth of God. How about you? What will you do?
Is there any other God than the God of Jesus? No, there is only one God - the God of Jesus. If you worship and serve a God which Jesus does not have, then you obviously have another God.
No.. there is only one true God, the Father
1st Corinthians 8 : 5 - 6
And.. tysm for your "Logos" video as well.. straight to the point, with no fluff
@@lovealways2609 Jesus is "Lord" in that He is YHWH (Acts 2:21).
_>>> "Is there any other God than the God of Jesus?"_
No there is not. Jesus' God, the eternal Spirit who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested _himself_ on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, and who raised _himself_ from the dead, is the only God there is. The _self-sacrificing_ God. The God who IS love. The God whose name is the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
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Great teaching! Thank You Brother Kel.❤
Hey brother just wanted to say I've been watching your content now consistently for 5 years or longer and I really appreciate all that you do even though I've been challenging my position since day one your videos and website have really helped me. It's hard to go against the current especially when I see such good fruits coming from trinitarians more so than myself. I've been trying to get myself out there to street preach but I've been procrastinating for far too long. I now have a gopro and am planning on getting out there any day so I'll be putting out some videos of my own. Thank you again you have been a true blessing!
Hello. You can also produce fruits if you wish for the Glory of the Father and the Son with the Holy Spirit being inside your body which is a temple.
It’s great to see another video from you; your channel has been a great resource for me in my awakening to the truth. Have you any thought to summarise your videos in a book?
Amwn. I have objectively read the Bible cover to cover many times, including Catholic Bibles. No where in the Bible does it ever suggest the great creator God is a trinity. Anyone who deliberately confuses themselves by attempting to justify falsehood, such as the man-made trinity doctrine, only harm themselves.
What about "Let (us) make man in (our) image, in (our) likeness..."? That is three uses of the plural in less than a sentence. That, at least, is a minimum of two right there.
I agree, the trinity is a false teaching yet we who believe this are in the minority, proving Satan has managed to confuse even Christians.
Yes, it is very easy to prove from Scripture that the Triune Pantheon is false. ...BUT, no matter how much Scripture you give these cultists they do not receive It, that is my experience now for more than 30 years. All I have met on my way have rejected It and clung to and defended their man-made theology. ...desperately so most times, and some times even to the point of being aggressive and hateful. Makes you WONDER about these Christians(?).
Yes, it simply does not matter what facts confront them - they won't care.
This might be controversial... But, I've started challenging them to study the virgin birth prophecy in the old testament (there isn't one) in hopes that that will shake their foundation and realize that Jesus was a regular made human. Granted he has the Spirit and Word in him without measure, making him different from us.
But I agree with you, they won't see past the trinity no matter how many verses in context you throw at them. So, let's start somewhere else 😬.
@@jawnatutorow man YES 100% but neverrrrrrrrr
a simple phopet ore regular man liek you ore me
CHRIST is secodn to ONLY his GOD
the exalted sinless son of YAH GOD who is above every creation EXCEPT HIS LORD GOD EN FATHER
@@jawnatutorowthe virgin birth does not make Jesus God. If you do not accept the virgin birth, what do you do with the gospel narrative about Joseph planning to divorce Mary for her supposed fornication?? Do you consider that to be illegitimate Scripture?
@@Eclectifying I think that was a church fathers type doctrine. It's not in the old testament, so I don't hold it to be true. The virgin birth is what gives credence to Jesus being part or 'fully' God in Christians eyes, that God is literally his bio dad.
Wish i could have a discussion with you brother Kel.
PEACE AND BEAUTIFUL BLESSINGS EVERYONE ❤
The truth is undeniable. If you are truly a follower of Christ, you will worship the same God he worshipped. He worshipped only one person as his God. The Father. John 17:3, John 20:17, Mark 15:34, Mark 14:36
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
How many MIGHTY GODS do you have?
@@ophiuchus9071
The word translated as God in Isaiah 9:6 can be used to reference mighty rulers. Look at the same phrase used in plural form in Ezekiel 32:21
I have one Almighty God, the Father, who is God over Jesus. 1 Cor 11:3, Heb 1:9
@@stayyoungmyfriends The word translated as God in Isaiah 9:6 can be used to reference mighty rulers. Look at the same phrase used in plural form in Ezekiel 32:21 end quote
The same phrase MIGHTY GOD is used of the LORD YHWH in
Jeremiah 32
17 ‘Ah, Lord God! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and outstretched arm. There is nothing too hard for You. 18 You show lovingkindness to thousands, and repay the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them-the Great, the MIGHTY GOD, whose name is the Lord of hosts.
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
who identifies as the Alpha and Omega, (THE ALMIGHTY) in John's Revelation
Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
WHO is the First and the Last
Revelation 2:8
“To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.
Isaiah 44:6
“This is what the Lord says- Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
The Alpha and Omega is the First and the Last, and the First and the Last is the One who died and came back to life(JESUS CHRIST)
Yes. Mark 12,29!
@@ophiuchus9071and Father could have easily been translated as founder, forefather, ancestor, title of respect to humans or gods. (Strongs 1)
It's a translator bias.
Mighty god, does not equal God Almighty.
A while back I wrote an exhaustive logical argument on the trinity. I apologize if it is rather technical, but I made use of Aquinas' terminology.
The argument goes as follows:
God is simple. This means, all that is in God is identical to God's essence. Thus there are no particulars in God. It is the particulars of a thing which distinguish it from merely its essence, making it possible for an instantiation of a thing to be non-identical to its essence. (i.e. I am a human but I am not identical to humanity) If there are no particulars, there are no possible instantiations which are non-identical to the essence. (e.g. There is only one possible equilateral triangle)
One of three things is true:
1.) It is not logically possible for a simplicity wherein there are not three distinct persons, who are nonetheless identical in essence to exist.
2.) The trinitarian and non-trinitarian divine simplicity are absolutely identical. If this is the case then 1. Trinitarians and Unitarians should live in harmony, as the two have no theological distinctions, or all distinctions are illusory. 2. It can be reasonably concluded that the assumption of the trinity is not only unecessary, by Occam's razor, but also logically vacuous. This is because the trinity is logically identical to the Unitarian simplicity, but adds the assumption of the three divine persons.
3.) A non-trinitatian simplicity is possible and non-identical to the trinitarian divine simplicity.
We can therefore conclude that one of two things is true. Either Dialetheism is true, and the proposition, "All that is in God is identical to Gods essence" is both true and false, or, We must conclude that the trinitarian simplicity is not logically possible.
P1) A non-trinitarian simplicity is logically possible.
P2) The Trinitarian simplicity is not identical to the non-trinitarian simplicity.
P3) Dialetheism is not true.
C) Therefore the trinitarian simplicity is not logically possible.
Can you do one on binitarian being false. So far you're my favorite teacher.
Amen brother !🙏
Hi! Have you done a video on Revelation 2:23 being a reference to Jeremaiah 17:10 where God is supposed to be speaking being likened to what Jesus said in Revelation 2:23?
I think the first problem is who has the authoritative take on what the trinity is. The next is where in the written history of christian writings does that one take on what the trinity is first appear.
Most non-trinitarians make the mistake of not settling those points with the trinitarian to whom they are speaking before jumping into debate mode.
trinitarians love their brick and mortar indoctrinated certified expert bible scholars, so sad they muddy the scriptures, come to the Father as a child, ask Jesus for understanding, Jesus is my Rock, thank you and blessings to everyone to receive the true Gospel
Modern day Pharisees.
trinity is pagan like easter and so many other nonsense traditions...even the sabbath on sunday, another false doctrine! And yes, christmas....it is all deceit!
Quite so, the apostates will be surprised at the judgement: Matthew 7:21-23 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
@@claybentonite If only Believers would read, research and believe the Word and the Spirit which is in them...he will teach them the truth. Even my very own family turn against me John 15:20-22 the more we learn, the more we realize, our fathers had it wrong! Return to the Beginning! and Start from there!
Matthew 7:23....I wish that on no man, no...those are the scariest words ever spoke!
@tmcge3325 "do not grow weary in doing good, In doing so, you heap burning coles on the enemy head" We tried right? We loved and we tried to share the truth, but if people don't want it, then destruction is their lot, as that verse says. Many of our families think we crazy(that's putting it nice) mine talks about trinity to my children, they don't understand the reality of judgement they bring on themself, leading little ones a stray :( My kids say they NEVER thought Jesus was God, and don't listen to others. Childlike faith was reveled to me, may we obtain it brothers and sisters !
Rev 12:3
Rev 3:12
John 17:3
I tim 2:5
Bless you
in God the Father and
his Christ(anointed one)
@@katiewarner883 Spot on
@@katiewarner883 Amen!
The Trinity - Scripture denying, Logic defying, Hellenistic complying.
Amen.
thanks brother kal 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Brother Kel. Great video. Have you noticed there's something seriously wrong with trinitarians? They come with this bravado and this attitude that the average person should not think that the trinity doctrine is in any way a strange concept. Gaslighting you for believing one being (God) is one person, which is the most logical thing. I've seen insults saying that "this person actually believes the absurd idea that God is one person". What's that about? That's so messsd up, even if the trinity doctrine was true.
spirit of lawlessness in the sons of disobedience
Can you do a video of a breakdown of each bible verse that trinitarians use to prove the trinity with rebuttals to each, please?
Or maybe you could go and watch the videos for those on this channel?
@TheTrinityDelusion oh I didn't know you had them hence why I was asking.
I will have a look for them
@@TheTrinityDelusion IF THERES NO TRINITY, YOU HAVE ARGUMENT, SO THERE MUST NE A TRINITY,SO YOUR DELUDED
@@FourFaceEnt GOD IS ONE OF 3...JOHN 1;1, BUT IT DONT MENTION THE HOLY SPIRIT
@@donhue4546 So there must be a Santa Claus too?
Amen!
Could not only god walk here on earth without any sin, did this not needed the fully godhead inside if jesus? As it is also written in scripture?
John 1:1 For further understanding!
Actually John 1:1 which some translations read as 'and the Word WAS God', aside from making no sense, it destroys the 'Jesus IS God' theory. Give it some rational thought.
John's testimony.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS the Son of God.”
In John 1:1 ,there are two occurrences of the Greek noun "theos" (god) in this verse. The first theos is preceded by the definite article "ho". When the noun has a definite article, it points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God. However, the second "theos", referring to the Word, does not have the definite article. Many scholars agree that the fact that the second theos does not have a definite article points not to the identity of the Word but to a characteristic or quality of the Word, that the Word is "divine", "a god", “god-like”, but not Almighty God. Several Bible versions translate the final part of John 1:1 as “the Word was divine,” “the Logos was divine,” “a god was the Word,” or “the Word was a god.” Note also that John 1:1 says that "the Word was with God". Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person.
This answer is not organic , gods word is it not in essence eternal nature like himself.
Also if it‘s true when god is a single entity how do paint the baptism of Jesus then, also if god is a single entity how could he have been love when he just existed, before creation beeing love as love defines loving some opponent.
For sure an important question, I currently study Ephesians where paul has following divine formula : god, the son and the holy spirit, not talking too much about the father.
What I kept telling them is what God showed me, among many others on the subject is that how can you guys transform 2 adjectives in nouns????
John says God is spirit (adjective) and holy (ajective). It's a description of who He is. Right? Ok! So they say God is Holy (NOUN) and Spirit (NOUN)!!! Incredible!!! How can you twist the Scriptures like that???? I throw that right in their faces but they CANNOT answer that and return to their same verses that prove nothing such as the Trinity lie blasphemy!
There is no God but One, who is spirit and who is One, for there is only One spirit who is God, even, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the manifestation of the Word in flesh.
-james
whats the chapter and verse?
@@heygio87 Good question. And it is obvious that this person has no intention of responding to you, its been 2 months. Obviously, this is no chapter or verse containing such nonsense.
Very true brother kel amen brother from England ❤
What about the Heavenly Father??? The Lord's Prayer? Why did Jesus Christ pray to the Father?
Sorry Kel,, it's very hard, because the trinitarians cannot accept the fact that they have been tricked. As always brother another good job. 🙏🙏❤️🙏🙏
As the old saying goes: "It's easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone they have been fooled"
@@christskingdomiscoming5964 Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
How many MIGHTY GODS do you have?
noahbody2514. The Bible and the Biblical Hebrew and Greek clearly prove the Trinity, but because you are blinded by the spirit of antichrist that's in you, you can't see it.
Yes.. and Kel's "logos" video is tremendous as well
@@christskingdomiscoming5964true
may I take this opportunity to invite you all that is believing in this video to check out the teachings of the Church of Christ. Godbless your new home❤❤❤
Psalm 110:1 KJV - A Psalm of David. The LORD (YHWH) said unto my Lord (ADONAI), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Adoni not Adonai
According to Acts 2:34-36, where Peter quotes Psalm 110:1, God is speaking to Jesus Christ. It is clear that from these verses that Jesus cannot be YHWH.
Those who do not have Son,have not the Father & the Holy Spirit is not in them & they are false teachers racking up condemnation upon their heads,leading many astray. Find this truth as well!!!!
That's the truth
How about a fact that Jesus has Brothers and sisters.
And god has sons and daughtersjustsaying
Mary had other children. Jesus however was not a natural child of Mary.
All those God created are called his son. Adam and Jesus for example.
God having daughters? Any scripture that I have missed?
@@jimjuri6490 Rev 22.16 He let you know who he is . Justsaying
@@jeffstewart1668 :(Revelation 22:16) “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’”
Jesus is here stating who he is. He came from the line of David. At least his human foster parents did.
John 1: 1 tells us that the word was God and in verse 14 we hear that the word was "made" flesh. First: If the word is God, then who "made" him flesh? Second: Why did the same person who wrote "and the word became flesh", also said in 1 John 4: 1-3, that it was Jesus Christ who became flesh. In the list of name of our God, you will not find the name Christ. The epithet Christ was designated only to Jesus.....not God.
John 1:1-3,14
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was🎉 God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[14]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I've always seen God, Jesus and Holy Spirit as individuals. NOT a Godhead which seemed creepy to me and to me now seems more Hinduish. Since I see them individually and not as 3 in one does this mean I'm wrong?? Jesus gave us Holy Spirit when he left here, so my prayers are to the one true God BY the power of the one true Holy Spirit. I only pray to the one true God. I don't pray to Jesus. Jesus did his part when he came to die for us and he will do his part when he returns for his 2nd coming. Please help me to understand bc I love the Lord with all my heart, mind and soul. 🌿👑🌿
Jesus has now inherited the Holy Spirit of God his Father, which is without measure. He has continual access to God's spirit like a man having continual access to living water from a spring. And he uses the water for the sustenance of everyone whom he has purchased with his own blood. That is, by the will of God his Father, unto the Glory of his God, his Father.
Jesus' work isn't done, he still works as we speak, mediating between God and men. "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man Jesus the Christ" (1 Timothy 2:5).
"Therefore, being by the right hand of God, exalted, AND HAVING RECEIVED OF THE FATHER THE PROMISE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear" (Acts 2:33).
"For through him (Jesus) we have access by one Spirit unto the Father". (Ephesians 2:18).
The spring represents God the Father's spirit. Only Jesus was found worthy to draw from the spring. The Lord Jesus is the water bearer, who draws from the spring and gives to anyone who comes to him and drink.
When the day of pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues [languages] as the Spirit enabled them.”
Here, indeed, was a spiritual coming. This was the moment of empowerment to the apostles, and from this moment on they began to follow Christ’s commands to teach the good news (gospel) of the Kingdom and bring others into it - for the Kingdom of God had indeed arrived and had been established as promised.
This account, however, speaks of the spiritual coming of the Holy Spirit to the apostles, and many have taught that it was only the Holy Spirit that came to them on Pentecost. This is the traditional view and is the first answer given by those who believe that Jesus Christ has not returned to us today. Is this correct? Can we say that Christ had no part in this spiritual coming? To determine the facts, let us return to John 14:16-18, where Jesus prophecies this event:
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.”
Who was the “Comforter”? In verse 26 following, he identifies it as the Holy Ghost. The Greek word used here is “parakletos” which means (literally) “one called alongside” to help. In 1 John 2:1, we read of having an “advocate with the Father” for any who sin. This word “advocate” used in this passage is also from the Greek word “parakletos.” Who was this advocate? John tells us: “Jesus Christ the righteous”!
In Romans 8:27-28, we read of the “Spirit who makes intercession for us” to God. Note the present tense - this is a spirit who is with us now. Who is it? Verses 9-10 preceding this tell us that the Spirit is Christ, and in verse 34 we read that Christ is the intercessor.
Jesus also identified the Comforter with the Spirit of Truth. Who is the Spirit of Truth? In John 14:6, just preceding, Jesus says:
“I am the way, the truth, and the life…”
and in 1 John 5:20, John states:
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding that we may know him that is true and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ…”
It simply does not make any sense for Jesus to say that he would send another Comforter, meaning the Holy Spirit alone, and then state he would not leave them comfortless (because he would return someday to comfort them).
This would mean that the Holy Spirit Comforter was of no comfort!
Does the Bible tell us then, that there is no difference between the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ? Do the scriptures separate these two Spirits? In Acts 13:2, we read that:
“…The Holy Spirit said, ‘set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them’.”
It was, of course, Jesus Christ who called Saul to be his disciple and apostle on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:3-20).
In 2 Corinthians 3:17, Paul states that:
“The Lord is the Spirit…. The Lord, who is the Spirit”
Should we assume from this that there is no separate third identity or personality of God called the Holy Spirit? Such an assumption would also be incorrect, for many scriptures make it plain that there is indeed a distinct entity called the Holy Spirit. To undo the confusion and make this clear for us, we can turn to John again. In 1 John 5:6-7, he says:
“…it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.”
The spiritual Godhead is inseparable. When the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in a person, then so does Christ (the Word) and the Father! No one can receive the Holy Spirit and not receive Christ and the Father as well. When the Holy Spirit came back to the waiting Christians on Pentecost, all of God came, including Jesus Christ. It was in fact the spiritual coming of Christ to those who were waiting and watching for him and it was the establishment of his spiritual kingdom.
Paul in Colossians 2:9, said of Christ:
“ For in Christ all the fulness of the Deity lives in bodily form,”
Colossians 2:9, .
Jesus told Philip (John 14:9):
“…anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.”
In the prophecy passage in verse 17 following, Jesus tells the disciples that they know that the Spirit is Christ himself because he “dwelleth with you” now, and “shall be in you” upon his spiritual return (on Pentecost). In verse 18, he says “I will come to you,” and in John 20-23:
“On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you…. If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.”
This promise was fulfilled. It is not something for our future. In Romans 8:9, we are told in no uncertain terms:
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
and in 1 John 4:13, we read:
“We know that we live in him [God] and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.”
This is the collective Spirit of God, which every Christian has contact with. If we do not have the spiritual return of Christ today - if we cannot claim to have Christ living in us spiritually, then we are “none of his,” not Christians at all.
So, we see that the events of the day of Pentecost fulfilled Christ’s promised return to his people who were anxiously looking for him, and it was a quick return indeed. He did not ever appear to the world again.
John 14:19 -
“Yet a little while and the world seeth me no more.”
Christ did come, along with the entire spiritual being of God, back to his own people as he had promised and prophesied and as he comes to anyone who will accept him today and forever.
@@ophiuchus9071 the Lord Jesus during the days of his flesh was anointed with the Spirit of God, that's why he is called the Christ (anointed one). Now, as Paul says, we have known Christ according to the flesh, but now we know him thus no longer. That's because we know him now according to the Spirit. He is now a life-imparting spirit who has received the Spirit of the only true God his Father an inheritance. During the days of his flesh, he through the Spirit was a comfort to his disciples, and now he is a comfort for those who believe in him who is now a spirit. We don't know him according to the flesh anymore, but according to the spirit. He is a completely new comforter.
That's why the Son of God is a fulfillment of Jacob's ladder. The ladder stands on the earth and reaches unto heaven. So too, the Son of God, Jesus can now, as a life-imparting spirit, by the Spirit of God which he received (Acts 2:33) reach from heaven to earth like Jacob's ladder. That's how we have access through him by one Spirit unto the Father (Ephesians 2:18).
@@Anastasis1.4 2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit:
@@ophiuchus9071 "2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit:"
Yes. The Lord Jesus now operates as the Spirit, Power, Wisdom, Word, Glory of the only true God the Father. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. The God of all mercies.
Amen
Jesus Christ says, "The word's I speak and the teachings I teach is NOT mine, but HIS that sent me"
Therefore, if Jesus Christ is God then he just lied.
Note: he didn't lie, he told the truth, because he is the Son of God NOT God the Son.
PRAY LIKE THIS.... OUR FATHER HEAVEN HOLLOWED BE YOUR NAME... i guess the paper cut out of him self is listening and answering prayers? REALLY? REALLY.... NOW REALLY?
Premise 1: God is immutable, and does not change his nature.
Premise 2: God said He was not a man, so that he should lie, nor was he a son of man, that he should repent.
Premise 3: God cannot become something he is not, because that would by definition be Him changing His very nature
Therefore God will not, nor ever has, become a man.
*Genesis 1:26*
And God said, Let *us* make man in *our* image, after *our* likeness.
Who is “us” who is “our”
It’s the Father and the Son.
Because that's what you want?
@@TheTrinityDelusion it’s not what I want, it’s what it says.
Whats a three person God?
the Trinity
@@TheTrinityDelusion
What’s a three person God.
What’s a Trinity?
Will you Please explain, as if I am an intelligent small child?
Whatever happened to “you will know them by their fruits” while, as a new comer to your channel, it appears you’re trying to base an entire theology on one word, while making a big issue over it? Do you even know, for sure, who believes in what? because you don’t know anybody’s heart/mind: only by their fruits, says Jesus, will you know them. are you speculating if they say the word, trinity? How are you separating those who believe in the trinity from those who don’t? If we don’t know what it is, and we don’t know what it isn’t, how will we know what we are looking for? So, all I see is you picking at straws?
Your Fruits, in your videos, to me, come across as accusatory. they don’t seem to come from love for your fellow man. 🤷♀️ so I would appreciate it if you could explain it better, to me. Thanks 💜
"Brother Kel, I want to express my gratitude for enlightening me on the truth about God and the Messiah. However, I've recently noticed a resurgence of the false doctrine of modalism. I believe you are the ideal person to refute and dismantle this erroneous teaching, just as you have done with the false trinity. Thank you in advance for your guidance, Brother Kel."
You take care and my God bless you.
God has raised up a people to proclaim his oneness as promised at Isaiah 43:10.
The Trinity teaching corrupted God's nature. Acts 20:30.
Ezekiel 36:23 ‘I will certainly sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the nations, which you profaned among them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah,
Yes it was magical thinking this is what people in catholic and other churches dont get even there priest dont understand the trinity
The one verse bible bandits i call them.
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Just sharing more... Jesus has always been with God from the beginning John 17:5 so Jesus has always been just himself I'm thinking. Possibly the Lord calls Jesus his son bc God had to call Jesus something for us to understand relationship with God as our Father. God knew we'd understand this type of relationship bc he designed us to have a Dad/father, mother ... all individuals but as one family. Why wouldn't our family design be like God’s since we're made in his image. To add, Abraham was commanded by God to kill his son and God did allow Jesus to be killed. It’s all about relationship and how God wants us in holy relationship with him and each other. Any help is welcomed. 🌿👑🌿
Who is Jesus Christ's mother then?
@ophiuchus9071 God, for he is everything. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” * [ who the Father will send ]
@@giggles7094 John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” * [ who the Father will send ]
yes
and the Holy Spirit is both the Father and the Son
MORE from John 14
20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
3 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
Notice the coming of the Holy Spirit is the Father and Son coming to make their home in the believer.
TO RECEIVE THE SPIRIT IS TO RECEIVE THE FATHER AND THE SON, THEY ARE NOT SEPARATED.
1 Corinthians 3
16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
John 14
2 In My Father’s house are many mansions;
1 Peter 2:5
you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Where does it say Jesus has always been? That verse just states before the world was…
Jesus was created. Col 1:15.
@@hereweare9096 Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Is that when Christ created Himself?
1 John6:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
The trinitarians have quite the conundrum because you can't enter the Kingdom of Heaven (receive the Holy Spirit) because idolators are excluded and without the Holy Spirit they can't come to an accurate knowledge of the truth. I know people that have been captured and imprisoned by this false teaching (idol) but because a majority of people bow to it they feel very comfortable with it. What can you say.
He didn’t refute anything. Just gave us his conclusion. This is bad
You need to demonstrate why it would be reasonable for you to have a God which Jesus did not. Otherwise, you are left with your own unreasonable state.
@@TheTrinityDelusion sounds like you don’t understand the Trinity but you are trying to refute it.
Tickling your itching ears and telling yourself what you want to hear just won't help.
@@TheTrinityDelusion ok. I'm here for an honest conversation whenever you're ready.
@@thetruthseekerswithrandymc5850
The simple fact is that EVERY Bible verse that claims Jesus is a man and not God is explicit and straightforward, yet every verse that trinitarians use to prove their doctrine is either an implication (which you guys then draw various false conclusions from), or it simply has nothing to do with what the trinitarians think it’s talking about .
This is as simple as it gets: Jesus calls His Father “the ONLY true God.” Any honest person will know what this means and why Jesus said it. It’s because HE MEANT IT.
I believe there is room to believe, and scripture to support, that Jesus existed alongside God during the beginning of this Earth and even had a hand in creating it. This does not mean Jesus is God or a "Trinity" of God, he is still the Son of God, but he could be considered a "small g" god. - WW
“In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word [Jesus] was with God, and the Word [Jesus] WAS GOD. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
(John 1:1-3)
In this passage of Holy Scripture, Jesus is called God.
“And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. HE IS THE TRUE GOD and eternal life.”
(1 John 5:20)
In this verse of Holy Scripture, Jesus is called God.
“But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the HOLY SPIRIT and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to GOD.””
(Acts 5:3-4)
In this passage of Holy Scripture, The Holy Spirit is called God.
All three distinct persons of God’s being were also present at the creation in Genesis:
“In the beginning God [The Father]…” (Genesis 1:1)
“In the beginning the Word [Jesus]…”
(John 1:1-3)
“And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters…”
(Genesis 1:2)
The word Trinity is obviously not mentioned in the Bible, like many other doctrines we believe. The word doesn’t have to be mentioned, but it’s the process of hermeneutics (interpreting the Bible), that leads us to believe the doctrines within God’s inspired word. And when you interpret Scripture in its entirety, the verses within it tell us plainly that God the Father is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Not three DIFFERENT Gods, but 1 God that manifests Himself in 3 distinct persons for their various roles in the salvation of His children. In simple terms, God the Father gives The Son those whom shall be saved, The Son redeems those chosen children to The Father, and The Holy Spirit seals those chosen children as a guarantee of their salvation.
This argument relies heavily on a specific definition of the word “God”. Most likely the definition he is assuming is “a person with the divine nature”, but this definition is an invention of Arius, Jesus and his apostles didn’t know this definition. There are two definitions (that I’m aware of) for the word God that could be what the Bible means. It’s vitally important to know these definitions so we know what is meant by the Bible when it says there is one God, instead of reading our assumptions into the text. The first definition would be the unprincipled first principle, by this definition Trinitarians are Monotheists because we believe the Father is the only uncaused person of the Trinity, He causes the Son through begetting and the Holy Spirit through procession. The second definition is the operation of Godhood (so to speak), by this definition Trinitarians are Monotheists because of the doctrine of the inseparable operations of the Trinity.
So in conclusion this argument only works if you assume a bad definition of the word “God. Interesting how anti-Trinitarians love to use word-concept fallacies so much.
Wow.
The video doesn't rely on ANY definition of "God." The video is simply about WHO God is and is not - the God of Jesus. So why did you just go ahead and distract yourself into confusion?
Persons and humans get lead away which means executed. Humanism is defined as the denying of the Messiah believing that mankind will reach perfection on their own. See funk and wagnals. Leads into philanthropy where we meet Bill Gates billing everyone at the gate on that broad and spacious road. Sorcery in the book of Revelations means pharmakia.
Job 32 verse 21-22 Says God does not respect any mans person or one with a title and they will be lead away which means executed. Person comes from the Greek word kanah which is one with a title especially a surname. Look at Samurai Johnson 1755 online dictionary at the following words. Surname; gentile ; secular; legal. One does not accept free grace when you are in the world and in the legal.
@@TheTrinityDelusionThen this isn’t a problem for Trinitarianism. Because all Trinitarians agree that the Father was His God since birth (Psalm 22:10). And that the Father is the only true God (by the first definition I presented).
@someoneelse7351 Who is the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob according to trinity doctrine? Is it father, son and Holy Ghost, three person who are one?
Matthew 28:19*** Look it up. He deleted the main one's to hide the truth. Ought tell you something or your gullible!
Matthew 28:19 mentions the Father, Son and holy spirit, but it does not say that they exist in one divine essence as the Trinity doctrine says. It does not say that they are three persons in one God, all co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial. Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the “Firstborn of all creation” and Revelation 3:14 says that Jesus is the “beginning of the creation by God.” Jesus taught that the Father was greater than he was and he called the Father "my God" even after his resurrection. (Revelation 3:12) These scriptures show that God and Jesus are not co-equal nor co-eternal.
@jollyrancher521 Echad in Hebrew means One. Old testament is in hebrew,new testament is in Greek. Both are similar in meaning. They are 3 as 1.
The god of the trinitarians is 3.
For Trinitarians that don’t understand to Jesus God doesn’t mean divine. So when he says God in reference to The Father, to Jesus God is The Father, he’s not saying The Father is divine.
So the Trinitarian claim of ‘The Father is God, The Son is God and The Spirit is God’ doesn’t align with Jesus’ own understanding of God.
You either have a Christ who misspoke or one who purposely deceived Eve his own followers.
Brother you already debunked yourself in your literal 2nd point. Jesus has two natures (both perfect) and the perfect human nature has to serve the Lord. That's why He worships God
John 10:30
Yes it was magical thinking this is what people in catholic and other churches dont get even there priest dont understand the trinity wtf
1 John 2:22-29***
Jehovahs witnesses have been trying to explain this for a long time and even many people before them.
The Father is the only true god the one whom Jesus worshiped…
I'm not a Trinitarian... Is this a Calvinist believing channel? Please and thank you 🙏
Absolutely not
The Trinity Doctrine was created and is maintained by 'magical thinking'.
Most of churchianity's doctrines are based on fairy tale thinking.
@@TheTrinityDelusionThinking? You flatter them too much!
💡Wow, there is no Christian Trinitarian who believes in multiple Gods.
The One True God, Yahweh is Father, Son, and Spirit. The Bible teaches this fact in both the Old Testament and New Testament.
🚨The Trinity is a descriptive word used to describe the Holy Bible only teaches there is only the One True God, Yahweh, and His nature is Father, Son and Spirit.
💡 This analogy may help you understand what the Trinity teaches about our one and only God Yahweh:
The One and Only True God, The Supreme Being, Yahweh, has three limbs(Father, Son and Spirit) each of His limbs is Him and have different functions:
- The Brain of Yahweh is God the Father.
- The Heart of Yahweh is God the Spirit.
- The Body of Yahweh is God the Son.
1. The Brain and Heart of Yahweh has never been seen. This is God the Father and God the Spirit.
2. The Body of Yahweh has been seen, this is God the Son.
🚨 Colossians 1:15-17 NKJV, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.”
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✝️ God the Father never been seen by any mean ever (Anyone who seen God, in both Old Testament and New Testament, especially in the flesh actually saw Jesus Christ; God the Father has never been seen; but, the Word is Jesus Christ ). ✝️
🚨 Exodus 33:20 NKJV, “But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”
🚨John 1:18 NKJV, ”No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.“
🚨✝️ Colossians 1:15-16 NKJV, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.”
🚨✝️ John 1:1-5, - (The Eternal Word)
”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.“
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💡💡💡
John 1:1 is the opening verse of the Gospel of John in the New Testament, and it reads:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
This verse is profound and significant for several reasons, often seen as a foundational statement about the nature of Jesus Christ and His relationship to God. Let's break it down phrase by phrase:
1. **"In the beginning was the Word"**:
- **"In the beginning"** refers to the time before creation, echoing the opening phrase of Genesis 1:1 ("In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"). This indicates that the Word existed before anything was created.
- **"the Word"** (in Greek, "Logos") is a term used here to refer to Jesus Christ. In Greek philosophy, logos could mean reason, principle, or plan, among other things. In Hebraic thought, it often referred to God's spoken word, His creative power, and self-revelation. John uses "the Word" to describe Jesus as the divine agent of creation and revelation.
2. **"and the Word was with God"**:
- This phrase emphasizes a distinction between the Word and God. The Word was in a close relationship with God, implying personal interaction and fellowship.
3. **"and the Word was God"**:
- This climactic statement asserts the deity of the Word. Despite the distinction in relationship expressed in the previous phrase, John makes it clear that the Word's nature is fully and completely divine.
In summary, John 1:1 establishes that Jesus (the Word) is eternal, existing before creation, is in a close relationship with God, and is, in essence, fully God. This verse plays a crucial role in Christian theology, especially concerning the Trinity, that describes their is only One God, who within His nature is the Father, Son and Spirit; also John 1:1 teaches Jesus is both fully divine and fully human.
I believe Jesus made it clear...they were together before the Creation of the world eternally existing as the son is what the Bible says. One in essence, Jesus accepted worship, but Angels said don't do this. This says something..in his humanity, he did pray to his father as his God, but now he sits at the right hand of the father until he makes his enemies his footstool...I would say JESUS clearly identifies as diety..only God is to be worshipped. If Jesus is being worshipped as the lamb slain for the sins of many.....well, this does make him God (The son) By homering the son, your honoring the father who sent him! why is this a problem....? John 17:3 we need to know him! He claims to be (I am) either he's nuts, blasphemous, or his claims are true! You decide
This guy says that God is 'the God (of) Jesus.' But he forgets that Jesus claimed to be God and, in fact, rose from the dead to prove it. The Trinity Delusion falls on it's face...
So if you are raised from the dead on the last day, we can conclude that you proved you ARE God. Please learn to use your head.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Jesus prophesied his resurrection. His resurrection is/was proof of that claim (the NT gifts were also proofs of the message the Apostles preached), our final resurrection at the Rapture will be the Fruit of His Godhead. Even Timothy worshiped Christ and declared Him God. The whole reason the Jews had him crucified was because He made Himself God. He forgave sin (the paralytic lowered from the roof) which only God could do (remember Christ was the propitiation for our sins; the perfect sacrifice to appease a Holy God).
@@kg4lzc Do you not know the difference between human traditions and Scripture? Or are we to suppose your own personal stew is the way to go?
@@TheTrinityDelusion lol, you're an idiot. Besides the rest of your cult, I learned how to read the texts.
You’re sooo wrong . No comment needed . @kg4lzc
I'm confused, are you saying that Jesus is not God?
The only God is his God.
@@TheTrinityDelusion I don’t believe in the trinity, meaning one God in 3 persons. However Jesus is God. Colossians 2:9-10
@@asdasdaa7063 Do you know of any God but his God?
@@TheTrinityDelusion God the Father, is a spirit, he has no flesh, you can think of it as s substance also called "The word". This word become flesh (Jesus), still that same substance. If you are denying that Jesus is God, you are walking a dangerous path.
@@asdasdaa7063 Yes I know the song and dance. But the fact is that there is only one God and that one and only God is the God of Jesus. This is rationally inescapable and all you are doing is talking yourself into insanity.
Jesus is creator.....Hebrews 1:10
[10]And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
So many fallacies. "The God of Jesus is not a 3 person God." Therefore, 5he trinity is another God. What does this mean??😅😅
Should be obvious
The Trinity: God is the fire. Jesus is the light and the Holy Spirit is the Heat.
So is the Modalist God. Now what?
@@TheTrinityDelusion Modalism is a heresy.
@@MegaTechno2000 Good job on missing the point.
@@TheTrinityDelusion
The Modalist God: would be...the Father is the fire, the Father is the light and the Father is the heat.
@@MegaTechno2000 Sabellians were the first to use your analogy not Trinitarians. So try telling yourself another lie. That one won't work for your itching ears.
So is Jesus God?
The only God is his God.
@@TheTrinityDelusion so Jesus is a created being? Can you explain John 1:1 where it says Jesus was God in the beginning?
@@thetruthseekerswithrandymc5850 Yes that dead corpse of flesh hanging on the cross was created. And John 1:1 does not say "Jesus was God in the beginning." Your imagination did that.
@@TheTrinityDelusion I see you are not willing to have a mature dialogue.
@@thetruthseekerswithrandymc5850
Of course Jesus is God. Not just John 1:1.This is also confirmed, for example, by Thomas when he quite deliberately claimed that the risen Jesus was his God and Lord. All of these and other NT texts speak in terms of "I and the Father are one". This statement, however, also communicates that Jesus was not talking about any Trinity. Thus, the question of Jesus' Deity is guaranteed in the NT, but at least since the NT controversy over the Trinity, the central answer to the question of whether Christ had a beginning in time is the verse from Rev. 3:14: "the beginning of God's creation", which corresponds to John 1:3.
What I want to emphasize above all, however, is that the anti-Trinitarian controversy in the NT goes back to Miguel Servetus. Antitrinitarianism is not and was not a homogeneous movement; on the contrary, it often had internal disputes (e.g., the question of adoration of Christ, etc.). In terms of several centuries (leaving aside ancient Arianism) of dispute, it is almost impossible for there to be "anything new under the sun". Don't expect new arguments...
Quite true. Also quite true...
*MATTHEW 1:21 (KJV)*
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for *he SHALL save his people from their sins.*
1. Here we have an *unconditional promise* from the LORD that JESUS would save his people from their sins.
2. The chance of this *unconditional promise* being broken was exactly 0%.
3. Because this *unconditional promise* required JESUS to be sinless, the chance of JESUS sinning was _necessarily_ 0%.
4. Because the chance of JESUS sinning was _necessarily_ 0%, *"Biblical" Unitarianism is FALSE,* just like Trinitarianism.
The one true God _is_ love (1 John 4:8,16). And the greatest demonstration of love is to *lay down one's **_own_** life* for others (John 15:13). The "Biblical" Unitarian version of "God the Father" did not lay down his own life for anyone. And the _Trinitarian_ version of "God the Father" did not lay down _his_ own life for anyone. So neither the "Biblical" Unitarian version of "God the Father" nor the Trinitarian version of "God the Father" is the one true God.
The one and only true God - God the Father, "THE everlasting Father" - is the unipersonal Spirit who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested _himself_ on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, so that he could *lay down **_his own_** life* for us, raise _himself_ from the dead, and give eternal life to all who believe on _him._
And the _name_ of this unipersonal, *self-sacrificing* Spirit is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
*1 TIMOTHY 3:16 (KJV)*
And without controversy *great* is the *mystery* of godliness: *GOD was manifest in the flesh,* justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
That's a pretty long chain of reasoning, and because X and since Y therefore this means z ....so Jesus is God the Father. This long process just to arrive at a conclusion that is nowhere explicitly stated by any figure or author in the Bible.
5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to ((His God and Father))-to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen
Revelation 1:5,6
No process needed! A simple explicit statement proves that The Father alone is Yahweh God and is superior to Jesus in every way.
@@christskingdomiscoming5964
The revelation of *the Father's self-sacrificial love* is what the gospel is all about. But it's hidden (in plain sight) from the carnal mind.
@@euston2216 wow you must be a really special believer! The true 'elect' or something. You could try a reasoned argument to counter what I just said, but I guess I wouldn't have understood anyway😂
@@christskingdomiscoming5964
Does your Father love you enough to have laid down his own life for you? If the answer is No, then you have the wrong Father.
@@euston2216 "But it's hidden (in plain sight) from the carnal mind."
Oneness believers use this self-authentication method the most.
"I believe in Unitarianism because when you presuppose Unitarianism, the Trinity makes no sense!"
Statement 2 is so unclear under a Trinitarian mindset that I honestly cannot get a conclusion from it unless I assume Unitarianism. For an example, I'll show this argument under a trinitarian mindset and show it's both unclear, and not a debunk.
"There is only one true God"; A trinitarian would agree, yet emphasize there is one nature, or substance, of God, instead of one person.
"That one and only God is the God of Jesus." By statement 1, We assume the "one and only God" refers to the nature/substance of God. Then, the nature of God, which Jesus possesses, is His God??? This is just nonsense. A trinitarian would disagree with you. And if you want to mean "person" with "one and only God", then your first statement goes nowhere. This argument is desperate confirmation bias.
Also, If you have the time, I would LOVE to hear how Jesus DEFINETLY ISN"T God from the following verses:
John 1:1-14 (and the word became flesh), 3:16 (note here the greek for “only begotten”, μονογενῆ, means unique, only member of kin, single) , 8:58 (“before Abraham was, I AM”),10:30 (I and my father am one), 10:38 (“the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father”). 12:45 (“he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me”), 14:7-10 (to Philip: “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?”, 16:15 (All things that the Father has are Mine.), 17:1-5 (Praying to the Father, “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”)
Matthew 3:16-17 (“This is my Son, whom I am well pleased”), 4:5-7 (devil tempts Jesus, Jesus: “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”) 12:6 (“Yet I say to you there is One here that is greater than the temple”), 1:23 (“He will be called Immanuel (God with us)”)
Luke 4:10-12 (devil tempts Jesus, Jesus: “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”), 5:20-25 (Jesus is questioned on his authority to forgive sins, He decides to show them He does by showing a physical miracle as well), 1:35 (He will be called the Son of God (this is a title for Messiah, not for divinity)),
Hebrews 1:5-14 (God the Father saying “You, [Jesus], in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,”)
Zecheriah 2:10-11 (God sending himself to dwell in our midst, and make everyone his people)
Proverbs 30:4 (“Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, If you know?”)
And explain how the early church fathers, such as Paul (1 Corinthians 8:6 “one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”, 2 Corinthians 3:17 “Now the Lord is the Spirit”, Colossians 2:9 “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,”), Ignatius (Letter to the Ephesians 9.1, Epistle to the Phillipians, Ch. 2), Polycarp (Martyrdom of Polycarp 14:3), Justin Martyr ( Dialogue with Typhro, chapter 128, or just read the entire thing lol), Tertullian (Against Praxes, 2 and 25), Athenagoras of Athens (A Plea for the Christians, 10), and Irenaeus of Lyons (Against Heresies, 1:10:1), DEFINITELY didn't believe in the Trinity, because clearly this was an invention of the church hundreds of years later, and not a core doctrine believed by many before the council of Nicaea, right???
Nobody needs to "presuppose unitarianism." The God of Jesus is not a 3 person being but 1 person. No presupposing required. Start with that fact.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Isn't the point of this video to disprove the Trinity, and show a logical contradiction? Now, your reply is literally saying "Unitarianism is true because it's true." But you know what? I'll play your game. Here's my argument:
1. Unitarianism is true.
2. The Bible does not support Unitarianism (look at the verses in my last comment), nor does the early church fathers (look at the quotes in the last comment).
3. The Bible is false, and the early church fathers are heretics.
@@andrewnazario2253 "Isn't the point of this video to disprove the Trinity, and show a logical contradiction?"
Not really and yes.
@@TheTrinityDelusion I can't understand how "pointing out a logical contradiction" somehow doesn't "disprove the Trinity". Plus, even if that makes sense, I already addressed this "contradiction" in my original comment, and presented material on why I believe in trinitarianism instead.
I'm done here.
@@andrewnazario2253 Ok then.
Your reasoning is twisted. The Father, The Son of Man, The Holy Spirit, The Presence, The Angel of the Lord, The Voice of the Lord, it is one JHWH.
"Your reasoning is twisted."
Go ahead and try to demonstrate it.
Sam Tideman (Transfigured) does a video on the history of christology and pinpoints when he thinks this doctrine began, simply by showing when in history people started to talk about it and when it was being debunked (by Tertullian, for example). Can you explain why nobody believed this early on? If they did believe it why did nobody talk about it? I believed it for about 6 months, but now believe something which fits scripture better in my opinion, and just also happens to fit history aswell. I hope you take the time to watch Sam's video.
The trinity is a pagan god. It comes from Hinduism, the triune godhead of Krishna.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
How many MIGHTY GODS do you have?
Just because you cannot fathom and understand the unity of the Son and the Father as One MIGHTY GOD only shows that you have not been given to understand.
There are many gods, even satan is called a god, but there is only one true God and that is the Father. Yes Jesus has been called a god but he is not the Almighty God, even Jesus own words he tells us his Father is the only True God.
@@skinnyandshort7108 ...Exactly. Well said. Trinitarian translators has made a mess of the Word, and the masses being deceived by the lies, so much confusion. And that is not of God.
@@skinnyandshort7108 The same phrase MIGHTY GOD is used of the LORD YHWH in
Jeremiah 32
17 ‘Ah, Lord God! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and outstretched arm. There is nothing too hard for You. 18 You show lovingkindness to thousands, and repay the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them-the Great, the MIGHTY GOD, whose name is the Lord of hosts.
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
who identifies as the Alpha and Omega, (THE ALMIGHTY) in John's Revelation
Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
WHO is the First and the Last
Revelation 2:8
“To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.
Isaiah 44:6
“This is what the Lord says- Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
The Alpha and Omega is the First and the Last, and the First and the Last is the One who died and came back to life(JESUS CHRIST)
@@ophiuchus9071 I can and will respond to each point when I get time.
@@skinnyandshort7108 43 He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying:
44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’?
45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?” 46 And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.
Why didn't the Pharisees just tell Jesus there were many gods?
they didn't give that answer because it wouldn't have been true. No one speaking by the Spirit will be able to claim there is multiple gods and lords.
Deuteronomy 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!
Gods name is יהוה. יהוה is God
God יהוה in a human body is named jesus ( Jehovah's salvation). Jesus is God. In a body. Immanuel god with us.
God
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The word was made flesh and tabernacled with us.
The word was God
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The holy spirit, who is יהוה , who is God, dwells with his people. He is their God, king, saviour, priest and shepherd. He is a rock as well as living water, he is the true bread from heaven.
The word Elohim in hebrew means divine plurality of persons.
The Elohim of Israel is יהוה. Who is father son and spirit who dwells in flesh tabernacles. With no beginning nor ending. Jesus tells us at the end of revelation that HE is the alpha and omega.
Thomas beheld the hand that beheld that nail- "my יהוה and my Elohim."
That's the message of the bible, what's the confusion exactly?
Pharisees rage.
THE TRINITY IS NOT FALSE. YOU ARE TEACHING AND TWISTING TRUTH.
The God of Jesus was not a Trinity.
@@TheTrinityDelusion YES MOST CERTAINLY HE WAS. THE TRINITY OF GOD. IS THE FATHER, SON JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. ALL THREE PERSON,S EQUAL= ONE AND ONLY ONE GOD. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. ALL THREE ARE RECOGNIZED AS GOD. AND THERE ARE MANY BIBLE SCRIPTURES TO PROVE THAT. IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IN THE HOLY BIBLE SCRIPTURES BEING THE WRITTEN WORDS OF GOD.
@@BEEMANRUSS No, sorry. The God of Jesus was not a three person being. No one but his Father was his God.
@@TheTrinityDelusion YES INDEED THEY ARE ALL THREE RECOGNIZED AS GOD. ONE GOD ARE GODHEAD IN THE HOLY TRINITY OF GOD. YOU HAVE THE FATHER WHICH IS OUR HEAVENLY FATHER GOD. AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. ALL THREE PERSONS MAKE UP ONE AND ONLY ONE TRUE GOD. WITH JESUS CHRIST BEING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT IS VERY TRUE. FROM THE TIME OF CREATION OF THE HEAVENS AND THE THE EARTH. ALL THREE PERSONS WERE THERE. FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION THEY ARE THERE. FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. WERE THERE FROM THE BEGINNING .
You have not provided any proof from scripture. Instead you “stomp around” insisting those who believe in Christ as the Father in the Flesh are somehow wrong. There are numerous scriptures that support this belief. So give us scriptural proof why you are right and we are wrong, not your words, but scripture.
I never mentioned anything about "those who believe in Christ as the Father in the Flesh are somehow wrong." Did you show up at the wrong meeting?
Perhaps it would be better to teach the truth instead of making statements without scripture to show the truth. The Trinity is a simple doctrine that teaches that God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all in one. Giving scriptural proof is necessary for understanding. We used to accept this simple doctrine until Satan got us all arguing about it. To counter that, we simply stick to the truth, let go of the word “trinity”. This word is not something we need argue about. We simply prove through teaching the words of God as they are. We are to plant the seeds by speaking the truth, but it’s only God who can make them grow. Challenging someone on their belief’s only makes them dig in deeper. Be wiser than the serpent. Speak truth with proof, don’t back down, this is God’s battle, we are His mouthpiece, let what we do glorify God, but don’t offend the tender ones.
The old hymn about the Trinity says “God in three persons, blessed Trinity.” I can understand how this can cause confusion. However, it is not explained as it should be. God manifests Himself in many ways, as the Father, as Christ, Yahveh Jireh: our provider, Yahveh Shalom God of Peace, Yahveh Rapha our healer. Etc. In other words, God holds many “offices” or “roles”. A good
example is our own earthly father, he holds many roles, provider, husband, father, protector, comforter, teacher, disciplinarian, etc. If we can point this out, then it makes it easier for one to understand the many “roles” God plays. We are created in His image, these comparisons of God and man prove that. It gives us a better understanding about who and what God is and what He is capable of. Hence, another name, I Am that I Am, capable of being who He wants to be, when He wants, and how He wants to be, unlimited.
@@mdelaney9008 You said the Trinity is a simple doctrine yet you also said in your first post, "insisting those who believe in Christ as the Father in the Flesh are somehow wrong." You don't even understand your own doctrine. What you said is heresy in Trinitarianism. If you are going to yap, it might be a good idea to know what you are talking about first. Your words are more Sabellian than Trinitarian.
The trinity used to be a sound doctrine, God in three persons used to mean God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. It was a general consensus that God was all three entities. Meaning one God, three roles as God. It’s unfortunate that it isn’t still taught, God is I Am that I am. Anyone He wants to be as He said to Moses.
So you say, you say you know all the verses use to support the Trinity? maybe you should make a video (if you haven't already) explaining all these verses. I will give you 6 and there is SO many more.
1.John 1:1 is pretty self explanatory In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word was with God and the Word was God. (Jesus that is the Word is God)
2. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. (So that Word that is God became the man Jesus)
3. John 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. How is Jesus a "Thing" if He created ALL things?
4. Hebrew's 1: 6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” Only God should receive Worship. Jesus says this Himself in the Gospels.
Thou shall only Worship God and only Him shall you serve.
5. Hebrew's 1:8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; (God calls the Son "God")
6. Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Here again in Colossians it speaks of Jesus creating ALL things, So Jesus cannot be a thing.
if you compare these verses to what Isaiah says it is inescapable, Isaiah 44:24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself; (the text says that God made ALL things by Himself) Isaiah 48:13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens. So who created? Jesus or God? or are they one in the same, the ONE GOD?
These alone are enough to show that God is Triune. and that Jesus is also God.
One more just for a bonus verse.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Thomas calls Jesus GOD, Jesus does not correct him or rebuke him.
And 18 hour long video untangling every single lie from Trinity world? I don't think so. There are nearly 400 videos on this channel which they can watch. You obviously need to watch them yourself.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Not a good reason or excuse. anyone reading the 6 verses I put forth as reason for the Trinity, knows you cannot explain your way out of the fact that Jesus is the ONE GOD.
Your reality is obviously whatever you want it to be.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Not my reality, but the truth of what God's word actually says..if you believe that the bible is the perfect complete word of the living God, then the verses I showed alone express truth, not anything I say, but the Word of God.
@@kevinjackson2361 I'm afraid you will need to add your imaginations to the text to come up with a Trinity. The God of Jesus is not a Trinity. You have a God which he does not have - another God.
Jesus' God is Yahweh, only Yahweh is God, Jesus is also Yahweh according to the NT and because He is Yahweh, He is the only God because Yahweh is the only God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God is only one Person, rather God is more than one Person, Elohim, literally means Gods. The second divine Person appeared to Moses in the bush and descended on the mountain to talk to Moses.
No disrespect but did you read this before you type it?
@@itsshirnequa9579
Well, it won't make sense to you as long as you limit God to being one Person. There is only one God Yahweh, there is no other, this God is not just one Person.
Psalm 110:1 shows that Jesus is not Yahweh. According to the KJV it says: “The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.” Who is speaking to whom? The Hebrew text for this verse includes the divine name YHWH (unfortunately, most Bibles substitute LORD in all caps for the divine name). In English this verse would read “Yahweh [or Jehovah] said to my Lord.” In Acts 2:34-36, Peter quotes Psalm 110:1 and explains that God is speaking to Jesus Christ.
@@jollyrancher521
That's not true. He is called Lord, but that does not mean that He is not Yahweh. If someone calls me son, it does not mean that I am not a husband.
@@kamilfrompoland7 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Only the Father is God for Christians. Jesus is rightly called Lord since God is the one who made him Lord (Acts 2:36) and exalted him to the highest position (Phil 2:9) and gave him all authority over heaven and earth (Mat. 28:18), but Jesus is not the same as Almighty God. Jesus even refers to his Father on more than one occasion as "my God". (John 20:17, Rev 3:12)
Just because you don't understand that the God found in scripture is a Godhead doesn't mean it isn't so.
The problem is you dont know the difference between Father and Son, and aren't willing to read scripture to find out.
The God found in scripture is a Godhead.
The name of the Godhead is YHWH.
Father.
Son.
Holy Spirit.
These are YHWH, the Godhead.
Father and Son identify Themselves and each other using names and TITLES. These TITLES are used for purposes of identification, they denote position, role, function and office held within the Kingdom and the Godhead.
Learn the names and titles used by Father and Son, learn the difference between Father and Son.
Here is an example; in the Kingdom of God, Christ the LORD is King.
Our Father tells us this...
"Yet I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion."
Ps.2:6
How long has Christ the LORD been King?
"The LORD sat enthroned at the Flood,
And the LORD sits as King forever."
Ps.29:10
How long will Christ the LORD be King.?
"The LORD is King forever and ever."
Ps.10:16
When will His dominion end..?
"His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away;
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed."
Dan.7:14
In the Kingdom of God, the office of King is held by the Son. Our Father is not King, never claimed to be King, but ALWAYS exalts His Son as King...
But to the Son He says:
"Your throne, *O
God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom."
Heb.1:8
*"O God" is a TITLE.
Christ is "O God."
In the Kingdom of God, Christ the LORD is King. Always has been, always will be.
"I am the LORD, your Holy One
The Creator of Israel, your King."
Is.43:15
Tell me, is there any other God than the God of Jesus?
@@TheTrinityDelusion
Christ is of the Godhead, YHWH.
The deity of Christ is the cornerstone of Christianity, as supported by scripture.
Christ, in His own words, by His prophet Isaiah...
"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
'I am the First and the Last;
Besides Me there is no God."
44:6
Christ has identified Himself using these names and titles:
LORD.
King of Israel.
Redeemer.
LORD of hosts.
First and Last.
God.
The God found in scripture is a Godhead.
@@mattmurdock2868 where do you get the term godhead? When I look into it, it's just a translation from deity or divine. Saying godhead does make it sound like there's a plurality somewhere, but that's not the original language.
One more thing God is not always describing YHWH, the Almighty God-Father of Jesus.
It can be used to describe god/gods, goddess/goddesses, angels, human rulers and judges. Which Jesus would be considered the latter two, scripturally speaking.
@@jawnatutorow
The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ, head of all power...
"Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy or empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him who is the head of all principality and power."
Col.2:8,9
NKJ
Through the Godhead the powers of creation were given to the Son, that He may be glorified as God...
"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen in the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify HIM as God, nor were they thankful, but became futile in their thoughts and their foolish hearts were darkened."
Rom.1:20,21
NKJ
Those who do not glorify Christ as God become futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts are darkened.
Through the Godhead the powers of creation were given to the Son, that He may have preeminence in all things, and BECAUSE IT PLEASED THE FATHER...
"For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have preeminence.
For it PLEASED THE FATHER that IN HIM ALL THE FULLNESS SHOULD DWELL, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself..."
Col.1:16-20
NKJ
Hope that helps.
@@jawnatutorow
In scripture, "Almighty" is a TITLE; Christ is the "Almighty," our Father does not use this TITLE.
You can attack us trinitarian but hey ho with out the trinity there is no salvation. Father Son Holy Spirit three in one
The only God is the God of Jesus and his God appointed him as your Judge not the Trinity club.
@@TheTrinityDelusion so how did sin get paid for ,all fall short of the glory of God ALL so only God is without sin, God is Holy and Righteous so sin must be paid for or all would be destroyed by his presence
@@arfermo853 Your Bible tells you how God deals with sin. We don't need to resort to man-made creeds as you are obviously doing in your post.
The Trinity is false, and God may forgive a person for Believing it. The Bible attacks the Trinity. Read Deuteronomy 6:4: The Lord our God is one Lord; or The Lord is our God, the Lord is one; or The Lord is our God, the Lord alone. (Then Jesus also disagreed with the Trinity.) Read John 14:8-9 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
The Nicene Creed:
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Does that mean your way of salvation is to confirm your own beliefs to yourself?
@@TheTrinityDelusion Lol... should I believe you or the Nicene Creed it's a tough choice.
@@MegaTechno2000 You should reconsider that you have stacked the deck by the choices you offered yourself.
@@TheTrinityDelusion
Give me the correct interpretation of this scripture and I might reconsider...
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Genesis 1:26
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is all I will EVER need
is all which is [ ever ] NEEDED .
Yes, Jesus was [ definitely ] not a trinitarian .
Anthony Buzzard was / is soooo right !!
Heretic
That's what heretics always call those who disagree with them.
Your so blind@@TheTrinityDelusion
Exactly. The trinity of a 3 headed god is a lie
He knows nothing & it's not pagan. You people have no understanding!!!!
Definitely it’s good [ for you ] to read a bit more in the bible … what about the prophets … Daniel, Isaiah .
Jesus was not a trinitarian .
Dude,you listen to falsehoods. Claiming to be smarter,yet fools! Believe what you want.
The fact that there is only ONE GOD and BECAUSE the Father is called God, the Son is called God, and the Spirit is called God, proves the doctrine of the Trinity is true. GAME OVER!
Sorry but that just won't work. The only God is our Lord's God, the God of Jesus.
@@TheTrinityDelusion That is my point there is only One God not Three Gods, therefore the Trinity exists because there is only One God and the Three, (Father Son and HS) are ALL the One true God.
1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Take special note of the comma & the “and” before the words “one mediator”. It is 2 seperate statements referring to two beings namely God and his Son Jesus.
One God and one mediator, makes two, not three.
God is a spirit, the Holy Ghost is the spirit of God.
Jesus is a MAN and he was anointed with God’s Holy Spirit when he was baptized because he had no sin and was perfect. God was manifested in the flesh of his son.
Jesus is that prophet that was prophesied that God would put His words in his mouth. God was speaking through his Son Jesus Christ. The name Jesus Christ means Jehovah the Saviour. Jesus said that “I come in my Father’s name”. He received a name more excellent than the angels by inheritance from his Father.
The Father (the Holy Ghost) and the Son share the same name “Jesus Christ” and that’s why Jesus told his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost - because that name is Jesus Christ - the name above all names and the name one needs to be baptized in for the remission of sins…
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. - Acts 2:38
For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. - Acts 4:12
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. - Acts 22:16
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. - Romans 10:13
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. - John 3:5
The Trinity is not a Christian doctrine, it is a lie that blinds you from the truth of God’s Word so that you don’t obey the Gospel. Seek the scriptures (found in the King James Bible) and pray for God to give you wisdom and understanding on this and He will lead you into all truth if you earnestly seek it.
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Psalm 110:1 KJV- A Psalm of David. The LORD (YHWH) said unto my Lord (ADONAI), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
@@eddiemelendez5950 Adoni not Adonai.
It's NOT FALSE,the Father,Son,& Holy Spirit,they are ONE=ECHAD!!!! Your lying!!!! 😈
You are soooo wrong .
Jesus didn‘t fly down from heaven but he is a descendant of king David - the lion of judah who has overcome . My sinless brother .
in my eys its HERESY IDOLATRY BLASPEHMY EN UNBIBLICAL
timothy 2,5 en john 17,3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHEMA is the GREATEST LAW OF ALL LAWS
Yes it was magical thinking this is what people in catholic and other churches dont get even there priest dont understand the trinity