The bouncers didn't let people exit out of the back with the band because you know Great Whites celebrity status in 2003 was just too much for them to handle. Fuck that dumb ass band.
Paramorered they didn't help the people to get out, they didn't tell the people that was another door. if they only let the people know that there was a back door perhaps not one would have died.
+Noura Mohammad It's not that simple, did you see the footage where all of the people were crowded and stuffed into the front doors to the point that none of them could get out? The fire exits were half the size of those front doors so it wouldn't have helped much anyways. The club should've had sprinklers and proper safety precautions in place so when the fire itself started, it could've been put out almost immediately. It wasn't the bands fault, everyone was in a fight or flight mode and yelling at them wouldn't have helped.
It wasn't that clear cut. At the end of the day, the blame lies on 'Rocky', the town's fire marshal and the inspector who never said anything about the polyurethane foam.
the owner of the club has less fault than jack russell. jack russell is the guy that decided to use pyro and not hire a pyro tech. The club owner was never even told before hand that they were going to use pyro, and we know this because numerous club owners on the tour said great white never notified them of the pyro before they did it.
he's not apologizing because he feels he was to blame he is showing respect to the victims and their families and also as he said he has survivors guilt which is natural
"he's not apologizing because he feels he was to blame" he was to blame. he owed them that apology. it was the very least he could do after killing over 100 people
Plus there were no sprinklers in the Station which makes it the owners fault as well as the Fire Marshall for not doing anything about it. The club was small with low ceilings. It was packed way beyond capacity that night. It was a disaster waiting to happen and sadly it did.
""I'm sorry"...for what? " For having his manager set off fireworks that generated a 15 foot flame in a club with 12 foot ceilings and for not telling the club owner beforehand that he was going to do it. You celebrity simps are pathetic.
I saw him in the same club one year before that fire. He used no pyro that night or any of the other nine times I’ve seen Great White. Including a 20,000 gat festival.
The club owners used non fired-rated packing foam for sound deadening, then spray-painted it with toxic paint. They provided NO clear exit markers, NO automated sprinkler system, and over-packed the club for extra profit. They also provided NO fire training for employees. Biechele set off the gerbs without permits, or training, and used outdoor rated fireworks inside a packed club. As a tour manager, he should have known that he needed permits and permissions too. Several club owners on the same road circuit testified that Biechele set off fireworks at their venues without asking for permissions too. Then there was the lazy pencil-whipping fire marshal 'Rocky' that didn't do his job. He didn't check the materials on the ceiling, didn't ask the employees questions and didn't review to ensure the club's capacity was correct. Lastly, there were the stupid bouncers who would not allow people to exit through the nearest door even though the fire was obviously very dangerous by that point.
You are correct about everything except the exit sign’s, they did have them,in fact the cameraman zoomed in on them in the video. Most people don’t look for them, and in an emergency they head for the door that they came in.
Hard to say anything if your not in their shoes. Jack could have easily died too, and sure it was traumatic. Bad decisions were made by the night club and the band's manager, and the city who gave permit to the club without enough fire exits.. Hopefully some good came from this horrible event, though better fire codes, and fire awareness.
Obviously along with the owners of the club who had the already flammable noise proof foam spray painted making it even worse. Not having any sense to install sprinklers.
The tour manager is the ONLY person in this whole mess that ever accepted blame or admitted guilt- the only person out of all the people that screwed up to say he was wrong and apologize. Even after his lawyer told him to go to trial, he stood in court and said he was guilty. So the fireworks may have been a dick move, but at least the man seems to have a conscious. That’s more than I can say about anyone else responsible for the fire.
It wasn't his fault, but its a natural human reaction to blame the most visible person. It was the club owner's for allowing the pyro, knowing that the club was a tinderbox in violation of the fire code. I'm sure the club owner assured the band manager that it was safe, and showed him the fire marshal's certificate..so it was also the fire marshal's fault for just checking the boxes, but not really inspecting the club. Its not the band manager's responsibility to be a fire inspector, he should be able to trust the judgement of the man who gets paid to inspect buildings for dangerous conditions.
Everyone involved shares that blame but a tour managers job is to do what the band tells them to do. TM wouldn't have set up pyro anywhere if the band didn't request/demand it on their rider.
It was just a mistake..can't blame anyone but the guy who let that club violate fire codes ..I'm just glad I decided the ride was to long from my city..I wanted to go
just the fact that you use fire indoors make you as responsible as the people who didn't follow to fire safety rules... it doesn't mean he knew it would happen but he needed to think if the flaming effect is really worth so many lives....
@@g0blinfractal472 I read that the story about Longley going back for his guitar is a myth. But even if it were true ... I think everyone underestimated how bad things really were as the fire took hold.
@@g0blinfractal472you see that kind of behavior in airline crashes as well for example with people getting their stuff out of the overhead bins rather than fleeing a flaming jet right away, they have done studies on it, some freeze some run and some gather their belongings, even happened in the twin towers from survivors accounts of people getting their stuff rather than just fleeing.
Do people really think a tour manager is some rogue agent making stage decisions for the band without their permission? HE'S PAID TO DO WHAT THE BAND SAYS TO DO. He's a glorified roadie. The pyro was Jack Russel and the bands' idea, therefore the blame at the very least partially lays on their shoulders. TM could have easily said he was doing what the band paid him to do, but instead he plead guilty like a man while Jack let him and the owners take the wrap like a worm.
@@margomazzeo1680 agree. In a life or death situation they aren't band members and spectators, they're human beings that need to exit quickly to so as not to burn to death. Geez, if I were for whatever reason unable to get past / overpower the dipshit bouncer, and I happened to be armed, I'd blow him away. Sorry buddy, I'm not trying to get band member autographs nor die in an inferno tonight.
dang, 0:32 they have some really high quality footage of that.. I know it exists out there somewhere but the news station REALLY doesn't want it to get out into the public again it seems after they had to pay $30 million in lawsuit settlement damages. I think you can tell they are pointing a camera at a monitor with the HQ newstation footage as a 'just in case' so it doesn't get out. There is also an audio tape out there that survived from deep inside the station nightclub that plays everything that happened. I guess it was going to be played for the Jury, and the lawyers have listened to it, but it will apparently never get out into the public eye either. I wonder where that Jack Russell documentary is.. this is 7 years later and I have still not seen that.
0:29 it appears as if Ty Longley {GW guitarist} notices the fire to his left as you slow the video, he seems to look over to his left to see the fire after the pyro goes out, he looks back at it again before the camera veers off of him......i wonder what he was thinking, he was killed by the fire to come. it seems the bassist notices it as well
The people who act like he did something wrong should get real and ask them self how would they fell if they were in his shoes ? I Love Jack Russell like a brother and i see the pain and weight on his shoulders . When will they apologize for blaming him ?
Chim Ritchelds not the victims the club owners and fire marshal and the bouncer who kept people in and who cares if people snuck in you do not padlock exits in a public place where people gather not in the movies or anywhere a church nowhere
No matter who approved the fireworks, you have to use common sense. This band IS EQUALLY responsible in my opinion. They were the "owners" of the stage, they share responsibility. Who doesn't know that outdoor fireworks and foam don't mix?!
Years after this tragedy I still cant even understand why they used pyro in such a small over crowded club... If you seen the footage with the guy filming as soon as those sparks flew out it was written danger all over that !
Honestly, common SENSE should have been around that night. They all, the owners, the band leader should be in prison. 100 people died in the worst way. Burning alive. People from the twin towers jumped because they didn't want to die burning. These poor people were Trapped. No sprinkles system, exits not available, stupid bouncer , wouldn't let people out. The owners and jack Russell should be in prison.
I really don't get it!.....Why is everyone beating down Jack Russell? All he wanted to do was put on a good show for his fans. He had nothing to do with the pyro or the highly flammable foam in the club. If people want to place blame, look at the club owners or the local fire marshal that never checked the foam, they totally skated away from any blame.
He had everything to do with it. This was _his_ show; all the contracts stipulated that he was the boss & 100% in charge. He hired the road manager, he allowed the road manager to set up & deploy pyrotechnics even though the road manager wasn't a licensed pyro technician, he didn't make sure proper permits were pulled for using pyro in the shows, etc, etc, etc. Jack Russell is fully responsible for what happened, alongside the Derderians, Biechele, & the Fire Marshal.
I truly don't believe he's apologizing out of guilt because he was not the one who caused the fire. I believe he's apologizing because it hurts him and he knows the families are still hurting. We are human and with that, we are not perfect. Some things are out of our control , while some things are in our control. There's no way Jack intended for this to happen. It was a sad day and there's no way to make it happier.
That was a half ass pyrotechnics job. Whoever allowed those guys to set those cheap firework streamers on stage in that little club was a clown. This situation was an insult to humanity. Good upload!
People just can't get over the fact that shit just happens, sometimes. Everybody always has to have somebody to blame. The layers in America have ingrained this into the fabric of society. Lawyers love angry people.
bobby harvill when 100 people die someone is to blame the club and fire marshal and whoever made the flammable walls and of course the blocked fire exits and the bouncer not letting people out the only exit and no sprinklers the band does not control all that they were probably scared and in shock too nobody thinks you go to a rock show and burn up
To me, here is how blame falls: -50% on Dan the Band Mgr, you never light pyrotechnics inside, terrible decision -35% on Club Ownership for Code Violations and an Unsafe Establishment -15% on Jack, ultimately it is his project, he is the boss (which comes responsibility) Dan was a young guy whom Jack should have overseen as his boss. The Captain of the ship (Jack) s always responsible for his underlings.
There needs to be 150% because the fire marshal ( who was probably on the take) deserves 50%, As he did not enforce the fire code that required sprinklers ( the building lost it’s grandfathering when it was renovated), and did not check to see if the soundproofing was fire retardant.
@@boataxe4605 exactly, the fire Marshall isn't brought up enough and it's his/her job to enforce the codes. I'm a va state automobile safety inspector. If I take a bribe to not reject someone's car for any safety issue and said car is involved in sn accident, then very likely sn investigation will commence especially if there are injuries or a death results... I'd be in big trouble having inspected the car and passed it with no brakes, bald tires etc... Yet this fire Marshall got off scot-free after likely being on the take giving the club an a-okay good to go pass. That the FM and bouncer who prevented one or more people from escaping thru the "band only exit" weren't brought on trial and convicted is mind-boggling.
You know be tried to opologize before this n no one wanted to hear it then either.. not for nothing but everyone blaming jack russell.. they should put all the blame on the club owners.. it's not up to the band it's up to the owners to allow the pyro... theres so much that the owners shoulda had done to keep that club safe but they didnt do it.. no sprinkler systems, exit doors chained, then the shitty foam on the walls and ceiling??? They should be to blame not the band!!
@@margomazzeo1680 he should have helped. Tell people about the "band only exit", go to the front outside and attempt to help pull people out, something, anything, but instead I heard he was promoting his tour during an interview while people were dying. Not sure if true but if so what a despicable pos thing to do.
Ultimately the responsibility falls on the club owners for overpacking an unsafe building and the tour manager for setting off the explosives in the first place. And how in the world did a building that unsafe pass a fire inspection.
Exactly! And what about the town??? Code enforcement????? Fire marshal????? ITS THAT SIMPLE, HAD THOSE IDIOTS FONE THEIR FUCKING JOBS THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SPRINKLERS
Wasn't even the bands fault. The band and crew had been given the green light for those effects. They were assured it would be fine, and so as you would expect them to, they used them. I don't know what kind of punishment the clubs owners got, but I hope it was fitting...
I still don't understand why Jack gets the blame . It wasn't his doing, or his already unsafe or dangerous club . He didn't light or set the pyro's off . He wasn't preventing people from leaving like the bouncer did. It's the venue's responsibility to ensure safety of everyone and keep their place up to par .
I bet that his lawyer has been telling him not to apologize because it would be an admission of guilt in some way. I’m not defending him, just saying that is probably why it took him so long.
Wait wait wait wait. There were 3 people to blame. Road managers Daniel for setting up the pyro's so close and even doing it in a tight space building. The building owners Micheal and Jeffrey. Who used the most highly flammable sound foam made out of polyurethane. Plus putting 462 people in a building only means to fit 250. They are the ones to blame. Great White band has nothing to do with this. They one thing they should have done though is tell everyone to exit safely and don't shove and fight. On the mic before leaving.
I just can't see how it's his fault? Whatever fool looked around in that club, and said it's safe to use pyrotechnics is more than likely to blame. Also the club owners for covering the walls and ceiling with highly flammable padding that produces deadly thick black smoke & releases cyanide gas when ignited, not having sprinkler systems installed, lack of proper emergency exits, and over crowding the club to sale more tickets. Jack could have said, "I'm sorry this happened" to the victims afterwards though.
Fault implies intent,....terrible the lives lost,...but no one intended to harm anybody. Could've just as easily been an electrical fire due to faulty wiring. Shock and remorse probably feel like a car sitting on the man. How could anyone have saw that coming? The way I see it, nobody was at fault. They were a band trying to entertain,...not Nazi's with flame throwers looking to char broil everything.
how is it jack russels fault. the road/pyrotechnics crew and club owners both are semi at fault for allowing that much pyro equipment to be used but at the end of the day no one knew this would happen.
he didn't do anything... people don't understand why hes not devoting his life to it but that's a bullshit responsibility... he wants to move on too. So hes the famous name that you can easily think of... that doesn't mean hes not just like every other person in that fire.
okay, but why are you blaming him, he shouldn't have to apologize. it was the manager, club owners, and pyrotechnicians faults. that's like saying it was his fault for the fire. it's not his fault. that's like saying it was Ariana Grande's fault when there was the bombing in Manchester, and being upset if she hadn't apologized. maybe he just recently came to terms with what happened. it takes longer for some people.
I don't blame Jack Russell for what happened. I blame the owners, I blame the club managers, I blame the fire marshal and the bouncer who rejected patrons exit. However, if you are going to put blame on the band manager who lit the pyro, Russell should get equivalent blame as his boss. They are guilty of doing it unlicensed, without question. But that pales in comparison to the other actors involved.
He doesn't owe them anything they just want money at this point bet that wouldn't be to little to late the same motivation the club owner had get rich quick it's all about the money forgot having sprinkler and fire extinguishers, yes pyro-tech you can have something that shouldn't be in here because I have no sprinklers and aren't up to code ,how much money am I making again ? alot... sounds good . the owner had three different chance to do the right thing do you people think a famous band hangs out and sets things up no they sit around parting or doing whatever last minute head down to the venue rock the place for a hr or two and leave and do that every other day across the country.
How in the hell is it his fault really peeps he is on stage singing and this horrendous accident happens, now just imagine your Jack the whole place is on fire and everyone running for there lives. What do you do come on WHAT DO YOU DO, what everyone else did run towards the entrance's and escape. DONT blame Jack Russell for this please. Love ya Jack brother rock on 🤘
To those who lost loved ones, I cant blame you for your anger,I know how loss if life is a unbearable gap in time-I know, i lost a brother,hung himself in Jail, for a car accedent, a truck driver ran a red light ans hit him, he had the right away, but there was a presciption. Pill bottle in the car,so he got arested,who do i hate for that? The truck drive?his doctor or the guards at the Jail, I lost an uncle,shot three times in the chest because he broke into his own home, un armed, came aront the corner to quick,dint know a cop was in the house, killed one day before he got the notice in the mail that he won a very long battle agaimst the state, he was a parilegal, Who do i hate for that? The state, the cops, And i lost my 2 year old daughter 7 yrs ago, and my mother and father 4 yrs ago, im no stranger to tragity, and 13 yrs later, Jask apoligises, for being an entertainer for a band ,he as well had no fault for a seperate company or rhoad crew or who ever owned tje staging event. Grate white just held drumsticks,base guitar,micraphones and guitars, Jack Lost his life long friend,his bandmate,who doese he hate for that,? His band? The stage crew or company or who ever owmd staging event? His fans? Himself? No, So why hate on him? It took me 20 years to grieve my grandfathers death, Sometime people Just dont know what to think inside thier minds during Suden mind fuks- So it took Jack 13 years, If i was Jack, It may have never came at all, I dont think anyone should say such ignorant things to say-again, I do understand your loss, but how do you take the deaths of so many people and pin it all on this mans shoulders, Lets pin wallmart for all thre shootings-or The NRA for all the wars around the world and all the troops while were at it for all the deaths, or maby even you people who badmouthed him for paying taxes to all the taxes that feed the war machine,Who do we hate for that? Grow up America-Life has its loses, we all have our hurts- Its hard enough,why be so hatefull and emty headed and make it harder, Breath a little-Just not to deep in crowds, Or you might die like the other 2000 or more From the Corona Virus Thats infected 70,000 people,who do we hate for that, The Docters? Or the Chinise officals, Or the captain of the Cruze Ship, or The Animal that spread it? Thers so many ways to die- God bless,And i Hope you all find a way through another day avoiding death and having a Thankfull ,peacfull Jurny through it all in Grate Harmany, As For you Jack, And the rest of the band, Thanks for all your Hard and long work hours of grate Entertainment, And to the Famaly of One of a king guitarit , It was an Honer to have been in the likeness of his grate Art, his los will always be worth it in our hearts like our soldgers of war for his servis to the public. Amen.
God commands us to forgive and not to hate. doesnt matter how bad the situation is. if your a true believer and follower of Jesus Christ you have to forgive no matter what. sorry for your loss.
Apologize all you want but its the Bands fault for starting that fire ! For God's Sake you DON'T set off fireworks INSIDE of a building !! The size,age and furnishings are what fueled the fire and a flashback is what engulfed the building. And people were stampeding people to death !! People had time to get out at least the ones at the back,people up near the stage never had a fighting chance.there were three exits,if not ,see Windows break them out ! I think everyone played a role in that fire,people were standing around AFTER the fire started ! If I see any hint of flames I'm OUTTA there ,I'm certainly not going to stand around drinking my beer, I'm gone ! I've been to enough places that had live Bands and they certainly don't set fireworks off inside !!!
Russel would have know better if he wasn’t under the influence... of his ego or other substances. It was the band and not the night club who decided to use pyrotechnics. He let the promoter take the fall. Hell awaits him.
It was common sense’s fault. 1. You never do pyro w/o the okay from a fire marshall, you also need a licensed tech on hand. 2. The ceiling itself was what, 12 feet high? The pyro should have been tested on height and width before they even used them at a show. 3. “I’m sorry, only the band can leave through this exit.” When there is a fucking fire. 4. The half ass lengths the owners went through to not keep the club up to date on fire codes (however there was a loop-hole in this as the building was built before the fire code regulations went into place so they were exempt.). It was just a total common sense failure on numerous individuals parts. You never do pyro indoors unless the ceiling is at least 40 feet in height and has absolutely nothing flammable anywhere near it. Horrible tragedy that never needed to happen.
3 reasons why people hate Jack Russell: 1. He didn't warn the crowd when he had the chance. 2. He ran to the tour bus & never tried to help anyone. 3. No apology.
Well, I AM absolving him!!! It is to be blamed on the Owners and Managers of the Building. Everyone knows most hard rock bands use some type of lighting affects, especially any 80s group. So they the owners and managers of that facility should have been on top of things.
There are multiple factors regarding this fire. The club owners installed cheap foam on the walls and ceiling and it went up so fast. People only had 1.5 minutes to get out. Jack Russell didn't light the pyro. His tour manager was managing the pyro and he wasn't licensed. The fire marshall gave the club a clean bill of health and didn't notice the foam. There's so many more things happening here.
I mean it would be nice to be sorry but I'm sure he felt like shit about that sucks he has too live with it. I feel bad for the families and band mate that died. I don't get only the manager of the band went to jail. why didn't the owner of the club do time?
Dam devil horns in the pic devil was after everyone that night should have been in church . Moma told me not to go should have listen moma should have listened mom .
There was plenty of blame to go around and Russell was at fault because his band was using pyrotechnics without a licensed professional who knew what safety measures were needed or what the potential risks were. Fire Marshall was at fault for passing the club on inspect, owners were at fault for numerous reasons, tour manager for lighting the pyrotechnics without being licensed.
He had notthing to do with anything he was just the singer blame the owners plus the people that set up for the band not him,those are just stupid people looking to blame someone that had really notthing to do with it ,your going to blame him because his band was there please people blame the right people if the club had sprinkelers everyone chould of got out and to have that many people in there was so stupid also but dont blame the singer really wake up people
again, wrong. I am a musician who has toured. that decision is between the tour manager and club owner. if the manager gets permission the stage Manger sets off the pyro. none of that falls on or is up to any member of the band. he is the singer, nothing more, nothing less. why are people not blaming the drummer? symply because if you are the singer, people automatically think you run the band which is never the case in a touring act.
Jack Russell really had a very small part to play in this tragedy, but a lot of the survivors anger at him seems to stem from how he handled himself after this fire. It was more of a perception of lack of remorse on his part than really and true culpability he actually had. The three pain parties most responsible for this are the two club owners and the Fire Marshall. All three acted so egregiously and willfully negligent leading up to this fire that is a damn shame that they were not charged with murder instead of manslaughter. Of course the corrupt Marshal didn't face any charges (surprise surprise) and the owners were charged with involuntary manslaughter, but what they did was no different than when someone knowingly engages in a crime of forethought with the high likelihood of leading to death, even though though death was not intend. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MURDER! What those three did, makes Dan Biechele's act of physically starting the fire and Jack's asking permission to use fireworks pale in comparison.
I feel for Jack. It wasn't his fault at all. He said on many dates during that tour they were told not to use the pyro and they didn't. It's obvious he's suffered mentally since that night. It was a horrible accident. God bless everyone that was affected by this tragedy.
But it’s not even Jack’s fault. It’s not the band’s responsibility to check if there are fire hazards in the building. My deepest sympathy goes out to the victims and their families. Watching the video is horrifying and tragic. But they should blame the owners of the club for having fire safely violations.
Giant Purple Gingerbread Alien Twin I believe that the manager had great regret and remorse of what he did and showed it in front of the victims families.But with Jack ,I'm sorry but hasn't cried his eyes out with what happened and the end of the day Jack's the artist and the boss of many people and he should of had common sense of what could go wrong.
wrong. I am a professional musician and know for a fact that the record label and the tour managers are the bosses. the band's show up and play. they can make requests for certain things to the tour manager and it is his job to execute those things given permission or aquire permits ect. everyone knows how the fire marshall and club owners skirted known safety issues with that club and they knew what would happen under certain circumstances and did nothing to fix them plain and simple
What he did for you is ran from what they caused... Yes, the fire inspectors should have caught the open cell foam, yes, the owners are liable for not sprinklering a death trap, yes wood frame non-sprinklered buildings created an"unknown""hazard to most but somebody decided and communicated with the band to use pyrotechnics! They were not unaware that they would use,them??? BS!!! I've been in a band longer than I've been a firefighter and I've Been a firefighter for 23 years.... Shame on Great White for killing, ruining and injuring so many fans and band members... I've thought this ever since I got off the (firefighting) job that morning and seeing it on the news so many years ago... My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims every day to you... We talk about you and your losses in almost every class so we don't forget and we remain vigilant in yours and fight to remain safe.
The club owners used non fired-rated packing foam for sound deadening, then spray-painted it with toxic paint. They provided NO clear exit markers, NO automated sprinkler system, and over-packed the club for extra profit. They also provided NO fire training for employees. Biechele set off the gerbs without permits, or training, and used outdoor rated fireworks inside a packed club. As a tour manager, he should have known that he needed permits and permissions too. Several club owners on the same road circuit testified that Biechele set off fireworks at their venues without asking for permissions too. Then there was the lazy pencil-whipping fire marshal 'Rocky' that didn't do his job. He didn't check the materials on the ceiling, didn't ask the employees questions and didn't review to ensure the club's capacity was correct. Lastly, there were the stupid bouncers who would not allow people to exit through the nearest door even though the fire was obviously very dangerous by that point.
It's not your fault at all. The people who owned that night club and tried to slide past every fire code that existed, that was the problem!
Using fireworks in a small place like that? That for sure was the bands fault.
The bouncers didn't let people exit out of the back with the band because you know Great Whites celebrity status in 2003 was just too much for them to handle.
Fuck that dumb ass band.
@@Phlacc The band didn’t have anything to do with that. The manager done that.
@@havenalsup7139 Yeah, either way it was a horrible accident, regardless of who's fault it was, it's just a shame something like that happened.
@@R0B3RTP4UL50N It was a accident they didn't intend for it to happen. I understand the anger and pain. Yes the band was very careless I agree.
Why should he apologize? He was a songer in a band. Not the owner of the club...
Paramorered they didn't help the people to get out, they didn't tell the people that was another door. if they only let the people know that there was a back door perhaps not one would have died.
+Noura Mohammad It's not that simple, did you see the footage where all of the people were crowded and stuffed into the front doors to the point that none of them could get out? The fire exits were half the size of those front doors so it wouldn't have helped much anyways. The club should've had sprinklers and proper safety precautions in place so when the fire itself started, it could've been put out almost immediately. It wasn't the bands fault, everyone was in a fight or flight mode and yelling at them wouldn't have helped.
Paramorered true but its common sense
Paramorered are you serious? great white knew they shouldn't have used pyrotechnics and they did it anyway.
It wasn't that clear cut. At the end of the day, the blame lies on 'Rocky', the town's fire marshal and the inspector who never said anything about the polyurethane foam.
it's the owner of the club's fault he should apologize
I agree completely.
i agree its not Jack Russell's fault if anything the station night club owners are the ones who should be apologizing
Darren Kellman A man like that shouldn't say sorry he killed over 100 people so he deserved what he gets
the owner of the club has less fault than jack russell. jack russell is the guy that decided to use pyro and not hire a pyro tech. The club owner was never even told before hand that they were going to use pyro, and we know this because numerous club owners on the tour said great white never notified them of the pyro before they did it.
he's not apologizing because he feels he was to blame he is showing respect to the victims and their families and also as he said he has survivors guilt which is natural
No shit he feels guilty. His band killed an awful lot of people with their carelessness.
@@Dandoskyballer are you a scorned roadie dude?? Dang!!!
"he's not apologizing because he feels he was to blame"
he was to blame. he owed them that apology. it was the very least he could do after killing over 100 people
"I'm sorry"...for what? For not checking the sprinkler system before every show? It wasn't his fault.
Plus there were no sprinklers in the Station which makes it the owners fault as well as the Fire Marshall for not doing anything about it. The club was small with low ceilings. It was packed way beyond capacity that night. It was a disaster waiting to happen and sadly it did.
""I'm sorry"...for what? "
For having his manager set off fireworks that generated a 15 foot flame in a club with 12 foot ceilings and for not telling the club owner beforehand that he was going to do it. You celebrity simps are pathetic.
@@jimbeam-ru1my then it’s the managers fault. You sound like a cock.
The fire marshal inspected the club. The owner jacked up the doors. Jack Russell played a million gigs this never happened. Think about that.
I saw him in the same club one year before that fire. He used no pyro that night or any of the other nine times I’ve seen Great White. Including a 20,000 gat festival.
The club owners used non fired-rated packing foam for sound deadening, then spray-painted it with toxic paint. They provided NO clear exit markers, NO automated sprinkler system, and over-packed the club for extra profit. They also provided NO fire training for employees. Biechele set off the gerbs without permits, or training, and used outdoor rated fireworks inside a packed club. As a tour manager, he should have known that he needed permits and permissions too. Several club owners on the same road circuit testified that Biechele set off fireworks at their venues without asking for permissions too. Then there was the lazy pencil-whipping fire marshal 'Rocky' that didn't do his job. He didn't check the materials on the ceiling, didn't ask the employees questions and didn't review to ensure the club's capacity was correct. Lastly, there were the stupid bouncers who would not allow people to exit through the nearest door even though the fire was obviously very dangerous by that point.
You are correct about everything except the exit sign’s, they did have them,in fact the cameraman zoomed in on them in the video. Most people don’t look for them, and in an emergency they head for the door that they came in.
the bouncer should have gotten in trouble for blocking the exit..
Hard to say anything if your not in their shoes. Jack could have easily died too, and sure it was traumatic. Bad decisions were made by the night club and the band's manager, and the city who gave permit to the club without enough fire exits.. Hopefully some good came from this horrible event, though better fire codes, and fire awareness.
Plus there were waaaaaay over capacity for that club,300 people or more,waay to packed
Club was probably compelled to accommodate the band’s demands. The club surely didn’t decide to use pyrotechnics; the band did.
@@martygufler2621 :The club had to OK it.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Jack Russell had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was the tour manager who set them up and it was that guy's fault.
Obviously along with the owners of the club who had the already flammable noise proof foam spray painted making it even worse. Not having any sense to install sprinklers.
The tour manager is the ONLY person in this whole mess that ever accepted blame or admitted guilt- the only person out of all the people that screwed up to say he was wrong and apologize. Even after his lawyer told him to go to trial, he stood in court and said he was guilty. So the fireworks may have been a dick move, but at least the man seems to have a conscious. That’s more than I can say about anyone else responsible for the fire.
It wasn't his fault, but its a natural human reaction to blame the most visible person. It was the club owner's for allowing the pyro, knowing that the club was a tinderbox in violation of the fire code. I'm sure the club owner assured the band manager that it was safe, and showed him the fire marshal's certificate..so it was also the fire marshal's fault for just checking the boxes, but not really inspecting the club. Its not the band manager's responsibility to be a fire inspector, he should be able to trust the judgement of the man who gets paid to inspect buildings for dangerous conditions.
Everyone involved shares that blame but a tour managers job is to do what the band tells them to do. TM wouldn't have set up pyro anywhere if the band didn't request/demand it on their rider.
@@oakeidissiczeppic974they can request it, but it's the tour managers job to ensure it's done properly.
It was just a mistake..can't blame anyone but the guy who let that club violate fire codes ..I'm just glad I decided the ride was to long from my city..I wanted to go
just the fact that you use fire indoors make you as responsible as the people who didn't follow to fire safety rules... it doesn't mean he knew it would happen but he needed to think if the flaming effect is really worth so many lives....
I can’t believe these people are attacking the singer even the guitarist died in the fire
cause he went back to "save" his guitar instead of saving a person
@@g0blinfractal472 I read that the story about Longley going back for his guitar is a myth. But even if it were true ... I think everyone underestimated how bad things really were as the fire took hold.
@@g0blinfractal472you see that kind of behavior in airline crashes as well for example with people getting their stuff out of the overhead bins rather than fleeing a flaming jet right away, they have done studies on it, some freeze some run and some gather their belongings, even happened in the twin towers from survivors accounts of people getting their stuff rather than just fleeing.
How is that the singers fault? He’s not the one who does the pyrotechnics? He club had no sprinklers it’s not really his thing
I'm having a hard time understanding how this was his fault?
Wasn’t. People responsible if I remember correctly were prosecuted
Because you got no brain-box .. you don't set off fireworks indoors!! .. even a child knows that!
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Lmfao!
Do people really think a tour manager is some rogue agent making stage decisions for the band without their permission? HE'S PAID TO DO WHAT THE BAND SAYS TO DO. He's a glorified roadie. The pyro was Jack Russel and the bands' idea, therefore the blame at the very least partially lays on their shoulders. TM could have easily said he was doing what the band paid him to do, but instead he plead guilty like a man while Jack let him and the owners take the wrap like a worm.
A lot of nice empathic people are living right now on this planet, I like this feeling so very much.
It sound like Jack Russel wants to milk this horror out for as much as he can.
Boo Hoo..he got out..thanks to the fkg bouncer who let him out a side exit..a privilege denied to his concertgoers that night..
@@margomazzeo1680 agree. In a life or death situation they aren't band members and spectators, they're human beings that need to exit quickly to so as not to burn to death. Geez, if I were for whatever reason unable to get past / overpower the dipshit bouncer, and I happened to be armed, I'd blow him away. Sorry buddy, I'm not trying to get band member autographs nor die in an inferno tonight.
dang, 0:32 they have some really high quality footage of that.. I know it exists out there somewhere but the news station REALLY doesn't want it to get out into the public again it seems after they had to pay $30 million in lawsuit settlement damages.
I think you can tell they are pointing a camera at a monitor with the HQ newstation footage as a 'just in case' so it doesn't get out.
There is also an audio tape out there that survived from deep inside the station nightclub that plays everything that happened. I guess it was going to be played for the Jury, and the lawyers have listened to it, but it will apparently never get out into the public eye either.
I wonder where that Jack Russell documentary is.. this is 7 years later and I have still not seen that.
0:29 it appears as if Ty Longley {GW guitarist} notices the fire to his left as you slow the video, he seems to look over to his left to see the fire after the pyro goes out, he looks back at it again before the camera veers off of him......i wonder what he was thinking, he was killed by the fire to come. it seems the bassist notices it as well
Ty got out and went back in for the sound man and never made it out.
The bass player WAS Ty Longely.
The people who act like he did something wrong should get real and ask them self how would they fell if they were in his shoes ? I Love Jack Russell like a brother and i see the pain and weight on his shoulders . When will they apologize for blaming him ?
You want victims to apologize to him..... How about go fuck yourself
Chim Ritchelds not the victims the club owners and fire marshal and the bouncer who kept people in and who cares if people snuck in you do not padlock exits in a public place where people gather not in the movies or anywhere a church nowhere
anything can happen all exits should be accesible and do not get me started on no sprinklers and the foam and spray paint
@@ryanmarquez9404 :Like HE told the club owners what to do.
It was an accident. Ppl dont need to keep suffering. Life is too short. Be happy while you can
No matter who approved the fireworks, you have to use common sense. This band IS EQUALLY responsible in my opinion. They were the "owners" of the stage, they share responsibility. Who doesn't know that outdoor fireworks and foam don't mix?!
Years after this tragedy I still cant even understand why they used pyro in such a small over crowded club... If you seen the footage with the guy filming as soon as those sparks flew out it was written danger all over that !
The only thing he has to apologize for is the bad music being played
great white has good songs
Jenny Lynn no they don’t
Yes they do.!
I live in RI.It was the fire Marshall’s fault....period!
Honestly, common SENSE should have been around that night. They all, the owners, the band leader should be in prison. 100 people died in the worst way. Burning alive. People from the twin towers jumped because they didn't want to die burning. These poor people were Trapped. No sprinkles system, exits not available, stupid bouncer , wouldn't let people out. The owners and jack Russell should be in prison.
I really don't get it!.....Why is everyone beating down Jack Russell? All he wanted to do was put on a good show for his fans. He had nothing to do with the pyro or the highly flammable foam in the club. If people want to place blame, look at the club owners or the local fire marshal that never checked the foam, they totally skated away from any blame.
He had everything to do with it. This was _his_ show; all the contracts stipulated that he was the boss & 100% in charge. He hired the road manager, he allowed the road manager to set up & deploy pyrotechnics even though the road manager wasn't a licensed pyro technician, he didn't make sure proper permits were pulled for using pyro in the shows, etc, etc, etc. Jack Russell is fully responsible for what happened, alongside the Derderians, Biechele, & the Fire Marshal.
how did great the band get out? i'm assuming there was an exit in the back, but the stage was lit up. so how the hell did they get out?
I saw a documentary where the bouncers told people you can't you this fire exit because it is for the band only. If that is true what a tragedy.
@@nintendones9927 Yep the bouncers blocked people from leaving. I'd say a lot of deaths are solely their fault.
I truly don't believe he's apologizing out of guilt because he was not the one who caused the fire. I believe he's apologizing because it hurts him and he knows the families are still hurting. We are human and with that, we are not perfect. Some things are out of our control , while some things are in our control. There's no way Jack intended for this to happen. It was a sad day and there's no way to make it happier.
Don’t act like Russel didn’t know pyro was going to be lit.
It’s HIS band, nothing happens without his oversight.
If they are blaming Russel, they might as well blame everybody present on the nightclub who survived. It is clearly not his fault
That was a half ass pyrotechnics job. Whoever allowed those guys to set those cheap firework streamers on stage in that little club was a clown. This situation was an insult to humanity. Good upload!
Till this day I wonder why the singer had to apologize instead of the owners of the nightclub
People just can't get over the fact that shit just happens, sometimes. Everybody always has to have somebody to blame. The layers in America have ingrained this into the fabric of society. Lawyers love angry people.
bobby harvill when 100 people die someone is to blame the club and fire marshal and whoever made the flammable walls and of course the blocked fire exits and the bouncer not letting people out the only exit and no sprinklers the band does not control all that they were probably scared and in shock too nobody thinks you go to a rock show and burn up
Do some research before you spout some dumb shit next time
Shit didn't "just happen." They deliberately set off pyrotechnics inside a small, overcrowded building full of alcohol.
How did he even make it out?
who Jack? the band went through the side door , the doors that bouncers of the clubs stopped other victims from going out. They are murderers.
I didn’t think he was ever going to apologize although it wasn’t his fault
Lmao, ppl think Jack is at fault
i don't blame jack one bit its the pyro tech who needs to apologize He should of known better to set off pyro in a building that small
To me, here is how blame falls:
-50% on Dan the Band Mgr, you never light pyrotechnics inside, terrible decision
-35% on Club Ownership for Code Violations and an Unsafe Establishment
-15% on Jack, ultimately it is his project, he is the boss (which comes responsibility) Dan was a young guy whom Jack should have overseen as his boss. The Captain of the ship (Jack) s always responsible for his underlings.
There needs to be 150% because the fire marshal ( who was probably on the take) deserves 50%, As he did not enforce the fire code that required sprinklers ( the building lost it’s grandfathering when it was renovated), and did not check to see if the soundproofing was fire retardant.
@@boataxe4605 I hope that fire marshall lost his job for this. Does anyone know if he did?
@@boataxe4605 exactly, the fire Marshall isn't brought up enough and it's his/her job to enforce the codes. I'm a va state automobile safety inspector. If I take a bribe to not reject someone's car for any safety issue and said car is involved in sn accident, then very likely sn investigation will commence especially if there are injuries or a death results... I'd be in big trouble having inspected the car and passed it with no brakes, bald tires etc... Yet this fire Marshall got off scot-free after likely being on the take giving the club an a-okay good to go pass. That the FM and bouncer who prevented one or more people from escaping thru the "band only exit" weren't brought on trial and convicted is mind-boggling.
That yellow tie on Jim Armstrong was the perfect choice. Very snazzy.
It wasn’t his fault...
You know be tried to opologize before this n no one wanted to hear it then either.. not for nothing but everyone blaming jack russell.. they should put all the blame on the club owners.. it's not up to the band it's up to the owners to allow the pyro... theres so much that the owners shoulda had done to keep that club safe but they didnt do it.. no sprinkler systems, exit doors chained, then the shitty foam on the walls and ceiling??? They should be to blame not the band!!
“Why did I get to live?” - because he ran to his bus like a coward
Exactly.
@@margomazzeo1680 he should have helped. Tell people about the "band only exit", go to the front outside and attempt to help pull people out, something, anything, but instead I heard he was promoting his tour during an interview while people were dying. Not sure if true but if so what a despicable pos thing to do.
Ultimately the responsibility falls on the club owners for overpacking an unsafe building and the tour manager for setting off the explosives in the first place. And how in the world did a building that unsafe pass a fire inspection.
Exactly! And what about the town??? Code enforcement????? Fire marshal????? ITS THAT SIMPLE, HAD THOSE IDIOTS FONE THEIR FUCKING JOBS THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SPRINKLERS
He making films and books about it = money
Wasn't even the bands fault. The band and crew had been given the green light for those effects. They were assured it would be fine, and so as you would expect them to, they used them. I don't know what kind of punishment the clubs owners got, but I hope it was fitting...
I still don't understand why Jack gets the blame . It wasn't his doing, or his already unsafe or dangerous club . He didn't light or set the pyro's off . He wasn't preventing people from leaving like the bouncer did. It's the venue's responsibility to ensure safety of everyone and keep their place up to par .
You shouldnt apologise its not your fault..the club owner should have known better..all those people in a club is a major violation
I bet that his lawyer has been telling him not to apologize because it would be an admission of guilt in some way. I’m not defending him, just saying that is probably why it took him so long.
Wait wait wait wait. There were 3 people to blame. Road managers Daniel for setting up the pyro's so close and even doing it in a tight space building. The building owners Micheal and Jeffrey. Who used the most highly flammable sound foam made out of polyurethane. Plus putting 462 people in a building only means to fit 250. They are the ones to blame. Great White band has nothing to do with this. They one thing they should have done though is tell everyone to exit safely and don't shove and fight.
On the mic before leaving.
I just can't see how it's his fault? Whatever fool looked around in that club, and said it's safe to use pyrotechnics is more than likely to blame. Also the club owners for covering the walls and ceiling with highly flammable padding that produces deadly thick black smoke & releases cyanide gas when ignited, not having sprinkler systems installed, lack of proper emergency exits, and over crowding the club to sale more tickets.
Jack could have said, "I'm sorry this happened" to the victims afterwards though.
Fault implies intent,....terrible the lives lost,...but no one intended to harm anybody. Could've just as easily been an electrical fire due to faulty wiring. Shock and remorse probably feel like a car sitting on the man. How could anyone have saw that coming? The way I see it, nobody was at fault. They were a band trying to entertain,...not Nazi's with flame throwers looking to char broil everything.
jamzach the club people are to blame
how is it jack russels fault. the road/pyrotechnics crew and club owners both are semi at fault for allowing that much pyro equipment to be used but at the end of the day no one knew this would happen.
20 years later and the Dederians are still making excuses. At least Russell apologized.
Yeah they struck me as very shady from the get go.! They should have had much more punishment.,!!!
They had it to crowded first off and the exit doors shoulda been open they were bottled up inside that inferno terrible Rip victims
he didn't do anything... people don't understand why hes not devoting his life to it but that's a bullshit responsibility... he wants to move on too. So hes the famous name that you can easily think of... that doesn't mean hes not just like every other person in that fire.
okay, but why are you blaming him, he shouldn't have to apologize. it was the manager, club owners, and pyrotechnicians faults. that's like saying it was his fault for the fire. it's not his fault. that's like saying it was Ariana Grande's fault when there was the bombing in Manchester, and being upset if she hadn't apologized. maybe he just recently came to terms with what happened. it takes longer for some people.
I don't blame Jack Russell for what happened. I blame the owners, I blame the club managers, I blame the fire marshal and the bouncer who rejected patrons exit. However, if you are going to put blame on the band manager who lit the pyro, Russell should get equivalent blame as his boss. They are guilty of doing it unlicensed, without question. But that pales in comparison to the other actors involved.
Yeah the management of the club and the band and shit ,the damn lead singer can't be responsible for everything
He doesn't owe them anything they just want money at this point bet that wouldn't be to little to late the same motivation the club owner had get rich quick it's all about the money forgot having sprinkler and fire extinguishers, yes pyro-tech you can have something that shouldn't be in here because I have no sprinklers and aren't up to code ,how much money am I making again ? alot... sounds good .
the owner had three different chance to do the right thing do you people think a famous band hangs out and sets things up no they sit around parting or doing whatever last minute head down to the venue rock the place for a hr or two and leave and do that every other day across the country.
How in the hell is it his fault really peeps he is on stage singing and this horrendous accident happens, now just imagine your Jack the whole place is on fire and everyone running for there lives. What do you do come on WHAT DO YOU DO, what everyone else did run towards the entrance's and escape. DONT blame Jack Russell for this please. Love ya Jack brother rock on 🤘
Bouncer never let the victims leave the back door..
To those who lost loved ones, I cant blame you for your anger,I know how loss if life is a unbearable gap in time-I know, i lost a brother,hung himself in Jail, for a car accedent, a truck driver ran a red light ans hit him, he had the right away, but there was a presciption. Pill bottle in the car,so he got arested,who do i hate for that? The truck drive?his doctor or the guards at the Jail, I lost an uncle,shot three times in the chest because he broke into his own home, un armed, came aront the corner to quick,dint know a cop was in the house, killed one day before he got the notice in the mail that he won a very long battle agaimst the state, he was a parilegal, Who do i hate for that? The state, the cops, And i lost my 2 year old daughter 7 yrs ago, and my mother and father 4 yrs ago, im no stranger to tragity, and 13 yrs later, Jask apoligises, for being an entertainer for a band ,he as well had no fault for a seperate company or rhoad crew or who ever owned tje staging event. Grate white just held drumsticks,base guitar,micraphones and guitars, Jack Lost his life long friend,his bandmate,who doese he hate for that,? His band? The stage crew or company or who ever owmd staging event? His fans? Himself? No, So why hate on him? It took me 20 years to grieve my grandfathers death, Sometime people Just dont know what to think inside thier minds during Suden mind fuks- So it took Jack 13 years, If i was Jack, It may have never came at all, I dont think anyone should say such ignorant things to say-again, I do understand your loss, but how do you take the deaths of so many people and pin it all on this mans shoulders, Lets pin wallmart for all thre shootings-or The NRA for all the wars around the world and all the troops while were at it for all the deaths, or maby even you people who badmouthed him for paying taxes to all the taxes that feed the war machine,Who do we hate for that? Grow up America-Life has its loses, we all have our hurts- Its hard enough,why be so hatefull and emty headed and make it harder, Breath a little-Just not to deep in crowds, Or you might die like the other 2000 or more From the Corona Virus Thats infected 70,000 people,who do we hate for that, The Docters? Or the Chinise officals, Or the captain of the Cruze Ship, or The Animal that spread it? Thers so many ways to die- God bless,And i Hope you all find a way through another day avoiding death and having a Thankfull ,peacfull Jurny through it all in Grate Harmany, As For you Jack, And the rest of the band, Thanks for all your Hard and long work hours of grate Entertainment, And to the Famaly of One of a king guitarit , It was an Honer to have been in the likeness of his grate Art, his los will always be worth it in our hearts like our soldgers of war for his servis to the public. Amen.
God commands us to forgive and not to hate. doesnt matter how bad the situation is. if your a true believer and follower of Jesus Christ you have to forgive no matter what. sorry for your loss.
the fire marshal didn't do his job had he done it this fire doesn't happen it's that simple.everone had a job to do and the fire marshal failed.
Apologize all you want but its the Bands fault for starting that fire ! For God's Sake you DON'T set off fireworks INSIDE of a building !!
The size,age and furnishings are what fueled the fire and a flashback is what engulfed the building.
And people were stampeding people to death !! People had time to get out at least the ones at the back,people up near the stage never had a fighting chance.there were three exits,if not ,see Windows break them out ! I think everyone played a role in that fire,people were standing around AFTER the fire started ! If I see any hint of flames I'm OUTTA there ,I'm certainly not going to stand around drinking my beer, I'm gone !
I've been to enough places that had live Bands and they certainly don't set fireworks off inside !!!
Russel would have know better if he wasn’t under the influence... of his ego or other substances. It was the band and not the night club who decided to use pyrotechnics. He let the promoter take the fall. Hell awaits him.
Your a jerk.! It awaits you for being a jerk to society.!
It was common sense’s fault. 1. You never do pyro w/o the okay from a fire marshall, you also need a licensed tech on hand. 2. The ceiling itself was what, 12 feet high? The pyro should have been tested on height and width before they even used them at a show. 3. “I’m sorry, only the band can leave through this exit.” When there is a fucking fire. 4. The half ass lengths the owners went through to not keep the club up to date on fire codes (however there was a loop-hole in this as the building was built before the fire code regulations went into place so they were exempt.). It was just a total common sense failure on numerous individuals parts. You never do pyro indoors unless the ceiling is at least 40 feet in height and has absolutely nothing flammable anywhere near it. Horrible tragedy that never needed to happen.
3 reasons why people hate Jack Russell:
1. He didn't warn the crowd when he had the chance.
2. He ran to the tour bus & never tried to help anyone.
3. No apology.
FUCK THE PRESS!
Well, I AM absolving him!!! It is to be blamed on the Owners and Managers of the Building. Everyone knows most hard rock bands use some type of lighting affects, especially any 80s group. So they the owners and managers of that facility should have been on top of things.
There are multiple factors regarding this fire. The club owners installed cheap foam on the walls and ceiling and it went up so fast. People only had 1.5 minutes to get out. Jack Russell didn't light the pyro. His tour manager was managing the pyro and he wasn't licensed. The fire marshall gave the club a clean bill of health and didn't notice the foam. There's so many more things happening here.
This guy is the singer of the band,he isn't at fault.He is also a survivor too,what about his mental health from this.
I mean it would be nice to be sorry but I'm sure he felt like shit about that sucks he has too live with it. I feel bad for the families and band mate that died. I don't get only the manager of the band went to jail. why didn't the owner of the club do time?
The band are murderers, what in the hell were they thinking to put fireworks inside?
It was irresponsible but they didn't intend to harm anyone.
I’m not sure what’s worse. Dying by fire or dying having this dude be the last thing you hear.
Reading your comment is the WORST thing.Haha!
Tragedy all around. BUT, Jack is NOT at fault. Was he the owner and proprietor of The Station? NO! So, you "Christians" should forgive him!
Wasn't his fault at all .
Lesson here is if we play with the devil we will all get burn thank you Jesus for saving my soul.
The lesson is dont use outdoor fireworks indoors. Do you people always have to make everything about your religion? Sheesh.
Dam devil horns in the pic devil was after everyone that night should have been in church . Moma told me not to go should have listen moma should have listened mom .
oh shut up
There was plenty of blame to go around and Russell was at fault because his band was using pyrotechnics without a licensed professional who knew what safety measures were needed or what the potential risks were. Fire Marshall was at fault for passing the club on inspect, owners were at fault for numerous reasons, tour manager for lighting the pyrotechnics without being licensed.
He had notthing to do with anything he was just the singer blame the owners plus the people that set up for the band not him,those are just stupid people looking to blame someone that had really notthing to do with it ,your going to blame him because his band was there please people blame the right people if the club had sprinkelers everyone chould of got out and to have that many people in there was so stupid also but dont blame the singer really wake up people
What are the 3 most important things to know when attending a Great White concert?
1. Stop
2.Drop
3.Roll
Stfu..not funny.
Club owners first and foremost to blame. For starters they for whatever reason had certain exit points blocked or not in use allegedly.
Fire Marshall signing off on it is to blame also.
"And how it effected his life" oh yeah poor you jack.
Jack gave permission to set off the pyrotechnics.
wrong
wrong
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again, wrong. I am a musician who has toured. that decision is between the tour manager and club owner. if the manager gets permission the stage Manger sets off the pyro. none of that falls on or is up to any member of the band. he is the singer, nothing more, nothing less. why are people not blaming the drummer? symply because if you are the singer, people automatically think you run the band which is never the case in a touring act.
Nobody cares that you're allegedly a musician. How does that pertain to the story?
TWAT WAFFLE!
Jack Russell really had a very small part to play in this tragedy, but a lot of the survivors anger at him seems to stem from how he handled himself after this fire. It was more of a perception of lack of remorse on his part than really and true culpability he actually had.
The three pain parties most responsible for this are the two club owners and the Fire Marshall. All three acted so egregiously and willfully negligent leading up to this fire that is a damn shame that they were not charged with murder instead of manslaughter. Of course the corrupt Marshal didn't face any charges (surprise surprise) and the owners were charged with involuntary manslaughter, but what they did was no different than when someone knowingly engages in a crime of forethought with the high likelihood of leading to death, even though though death was not intend. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MURDER!
What those three did, makes Dan Biechele's act of physically starting the fire and Jack's asking permission to use fireworks pale in comparison.
I feel for Jack. It wasn't his fault at all. He said on many dates during that tour they were told not to use the pyro and they didn't. It's obvious he's suffered mentally since that night. It was a horrible accident. God bless everyone that was affected by this tragedy.
But it’s not even Jack’s fault. It’s not the band’s responsibility to check if there are fire hazards in the building. My deepest sympathy goes out to the victims and their families. Watching the video is horrifying and tragic. But they should blame the owners of the club for having fire safely violations.
I absolve jack he didn't make shit
His documentary money whatever he makes should go to the victims and their famlies
Bill Smith he's tried,they won't accept it
Giant Purple Gingerbread Alien Twin I believe that the manager had great regret and remorse of what he did and showed it in front of the victims families.But with Jack ,I'm sorry but hasn't cried his eyes out with what happened and the end of the day Jack's the artist and the boss of many people and he should of had common sense of what could go wrong.
fab4fan5 jack did everything through his guilt but kill himself . It wasn't his fault although many blame him , including you
kamcr Ok.
wrong. I am a professional musician and know for a fact that the record label and the tour managers are the bosses. the band's show up and play. they can make requests for certain things to the tour manager and it is his job to execute those things given permission or aquire permits ect. everyone knows how the fire marshall and club owners skirted known safety issues with that club and they knew what would happen under certain circumstances and did nothing to fix them plain and simple
What he did for you is ran from what they caused... Yes, the fire inspectors should have caught the open cell foam, yes, the owners are liable for not sprinklering a death trap, yes wood frame non-sprinklered buildings created an"unknown""hazard to most but somebody decided and communicated with the band to use pyrotechnics! They were not unaware that they would use,them??? BS!!! I've been in a band longer than I've been a firefighter and I've Been a firefighter for 23 years.... Shame on Great White for killing, ruining and injuring so many fans and band members... I've thought this ever since I got off the (firefighting) job that morning and seeing it on the news so many years ago... My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims every day to you... We talk about you and your losses in almost every class so we don't forget and we remain vigilant in yours and fight to remain safe.
Survivors guilty!!! Jack Russell can rot in hell...
He may have escaped that night..but he will burn in Hell at his end date..
It was a sad day when a fire killed every single one of Great White's 100 fans...
Oh your an idiot
That man has done a lot of drugs!!!!!
And your point ?
I think that was it. I think he also wanted to say that Jack Russell wears a lot of bandanas and drives a Toyota too.
Who, has not, in some way, shape, or form?
All rockers did . What do drugs have to do with a fire that he didn't set.??
Jack Russell don't deserve any of this blame, the bands manager and club owner were responsible PERIOD
they were all to blame including jack
Jack Russel and his washed up rock band needed to bring fireworks that shoot 6ft of flaming sparks in a small venue to jazz up their lame act.
Jack Russell is true legend singer
nah, a has been that will be remembered for this fire and his part in it. he is to blame too.
The club owners used non fired-rated packing foam for sound deadening, then spray-painted it with toxic paint. They provided NO clear exit markers, NO automated sprinkler system, and over-packed the club for extra profit. They also provided NO fire training for employees. Biechele set off the gerbs without permits, or training, and used outdoor rated fireworks inside a packed club. As a tour manager, he should have known that he needed permits and permissions too. Several club owners on the same road circuit testified that Biechele set off fireworks at their venues without asking for permissions too. Then there was the lazy pencil-whipping fire marshal 'Rocky' that didn't do his job. He didn't check the materials on the ceiling, didn't ask the employees questions and didn't review to ensure the club's capacity was correct. Lastly, there were the stupid bouncers who would not allow people to exit through the nearest door even though the fire was obviously very dangerous by that point.