Interesting tidbit: Harriet Jones says the subwave network was developed by the Mr Copper foundation, as a method to locate the doctor in times of crisis. Mr Copper was the old man from Voyage of the Damned tht the doctor saved and dropped off on earth
Copper was apparently planned to appear in some way during this, but his actor badmouthed the show in interviews so the character only got a mention instead.
That part is probably my second favorite part of the episode. It must be said, however, that all of the companions recognized the Daleks. My favorite part is when she recognizes Davros' voice. She is the only companion that understands who/what Davros is. And it's entirely from her experiences in classic Who.
The line "someone tried to move the Earth once before" is a reference to the First Doctor story The Dalek Invasion of Earth which first aired in late 1964 and set some 200 years later. The second story of Doctor Who's second season it was the first reappearance of an antagonist in the show, the Daleks having appeared in the second ever story (called the Daleks, unsurprisingly!). It was the height of Dalekmania in the UK.
I thought he meant the Time Lords at first since they moved Earth in the first story of the Trial of a Time Lord season. And they actually moved the planet while the Daleks were just planning to at a later date. I thought that was why the Doctor said "It can't be." as at that time he still believed Gallifrey was gone so surely it couldn't be them whereas he knew the Daleks had survived. I didn't think of The Dalek Invasion of Earth until a while later.
Marvel: Infinity War is gonna be the biggest crossover of all time. Russell T. Davies: _Hold my jelly babies._ (But for real, the 2008 gang knew shit was serious when all we got was a "To. Be. Continued" Screen with no previews!)
Always the running joke. "Harriet Jones (former) Prime Minister" "Yes, I/we know who you are". But her final words, her last retort to that ongoing gag is so powerful "Oh you know nothing of any human, and that will be your downfall"
I love how Who can sometimes make you feel totally different things at the same time. Harriet Jones' last moments are a perfect example. The dalek's "we know who you are" is funny and sad all at the same time.
That for me is, without doubt, a very big part of what is the beauty and the magic of Dr. Who, a thing that no other sci-fi show (or any show even) ever manages to capture so well, in my opinion.
This is such a massive episode. Made better by the small subtle foreshadowing/clues. The bees disappearing, lost planets, something on your back. It's so cool to have all come together and tie everything together making the foreshadowing subtle but genius. Not to mention the callbacks Mr Copper Foundation for example. The old man who survived the Titanic with his cool £1 million. Can't wait for the next reaction tissues at the ready. Getting ready to welcome a new Doctor.
@Thomas' Reaction’s Given the involvement of multiple TV shows and the threat to all reality rather than half the universe, I think Crisis is a better comparison. Also, I’m bored of jokes about _Infinity War_ and _Endgame._
Also I just checked and I STILL have the Doctor's phone number in my cell phone contacts from back when this originally aired! Apparently, it's transferred from phone to phone since then! BBC really missed a trick when they didn't make this phone number actually call anything IRL -- they could've had a fun recording by Tennant or something.
Katrina looking down so she doesn't have to watch the Doctor get shot is totally my aesthetic. I sob every time I watch that whole scene, even though I know what happens next.
Wilfred firing the paint at the Daleks eye stalk is a flashback to the actors role in the 1960s Dalek movie when his character does the same thing, and it worked then!
Hearing the opening notes of “Rose’s Theme” here never fails to make me cry. Also: Harriet Jones’ sacrifice tore my heart out. “Osterhagen” is an anagram of “Earths gone” The Sarah Jane Adventures was made for CBBC (Children’s BBC) so is definitely a kids show. Torchwood is most definitely not.
I was laughing at Katrina trying to softsell it's a kids' show. It's a kids' show! It's fine! That's what it was made for! Nobody will be hurt by saying so haha.
As this is the first part to a two parter, I don't have that much to say. I just think this is an EPIC episode, definitely the biggest Doctor Who has felt up to this point and possibly still to this day! It's so good to see all the characters we've come to love across these four series come back for a showdown with the Daleks. With the addition of Davros, who's the creator of the Daleks. He's been around since the 1970s and is the last of the "big four" villains (Daleks, Cybermen, the Master and now Davros) of the classic series to come back. He was even briefly mentioned in series 1 during the episode "Dalek". Very much looking forward to the next episode!
People watch this and don’t realize that the bees disappearing was an actual thing in Britain, they thought it was down to mobile signals and there was a period of time where there just weren’t any bees anywhere over here. So RTD tied it into the plot 🤣😂
Dr Who has always been a family, Saturday tea time show. Sarah Jane Adventures was literally a kid's show - it was made for CBBC (children's BBC), and Torchwood was definitely adult - shown post-watershed (after 9pm).
Every time the Daleks come back in the RTD era, I imagine what it would be like if that episode was their first appearance in New Who. This is my favourite of those scenarios.
This episode was absolutely massive, epic event television. I was absolutely excited to see this show as I was already a fan of both spin-offs. When I saw in the Next Time trailer after the previous episode that they were doing a crossover, I literally screamed with excitement and had to hold onto it for an entire week (then again after THIS episode ended!). They did it so well, having all these characters equally involved. It was especially good how they managed to integrate the spin-offs without you having to be a massive viewer of either of them. It was also cool how they brought back Davros. I was already very much familiar with him from having seen all of his Classic Who appearances. Julian Bleach does an amazing job bringing the character into the modern era. Finally, as if the whole episode wasn't enough, the end cliffhanger was jaw-dropping and left everyone wondering who would be taking over from David Tennant. There had been absolutely zero spoiling of it, even in the media. Nobody knew that he was leaving! So, definitely the reaction the show's creative team wanted.
And welcome another Big Bad from Classic Who! Davros first appeared in the Classic Season 12 story 'Genesis of the Daleks' where two nations had been at war for centuries. Davros creates the Daleks as the ultimate weapons, who soon turn on him. They killed him, but he got over it to play villain often. Also that remark of stealing the Earth is a reference back to Classic Season 2, 'Dalek Invasion of Earth' which pretty much was the goal.
And thus began the longest week in British history after this episode aired! Or maybe it was just because I was an impatient 10 year old, idk. However, the one thing I think this series needed is tying the theme of missing worlds together MUCH more. For the first two, they're pretty good with weaving that in but then they just drop it. Like, for instance: The FGABHE was only able to enslave so many Odd because they were scattered after the loss of their homeworld. The Sontarans needed a new clone world after their primary one was lost. The Hath are working with the humans after the loss of their own world. The Vespiform lost their own world, sending one to earth. The Vashtsa Nerada fled to the Library after the world they came from was under threat. And Midnight, well that is already filled so ok. Instead of just Pyrovillia and Adipose 3, Donna could say how it's been happening to them all along. This isn't a MASSIVE problem with the series but just a couple extra lines would have helped tie everything together and keep the idea of "disappearing worlds" a constant thing for the series. Davies did it best in S2, but it was just abandoned after that, which sucks as it makes Davros' whole plan just seem like it comes out of nowhere.
There you are! I wanted to copy/paste this excellent comment for future reference but then the video where I saw it in 4th Wall reactions was blocked. Good to see you with that here!
@@MrArcherF He's not saying they were. None of these things actually happened in this show. Those are all idea on what they COULD HAVE done to tie everything together. Not sure how you missed that when are all are obviously not things that actually happened.
@@MrArcherF No, they didn't! The Ood didn'st lose their homeworld. The episode takes place ON their homeworld! The Sontarans lost their cloning worlds through war. It didn't disappear. The Hath didn't lose their world, they just worked with the humans for no particular reason. The Vespiform also didn't lose a world. NONE of these things happened! You are a living example of the phrase "it is better to keep you mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
When I heard the "EXTERMINATE" from their message for the first time I literally screamed "GOD DAMN DALEKS". My cat was sitting on my lap and was very confused
Don't feel bad about saying Sarah Jane was a kids programme! That was the absolute intention - it was made for a part of the BBC channel called CBBC which stands for... you guessed it 'Childrens BBC'... I have just loved watching your journey through Season 4. I'm not sure I can cope with the 13th episode... it kills me every single time.
Fun fact about the Doctor and Rose reunion: Tennant received an edited version of this episodes script that had the whole reunion taken out and it was kept a surprise for him. So that scene when Donna says, "Why don't you ask her yourself." that was genuine confusion on his face. And when Billie and David ran toward each other, that was real too.
I’m guessing Thomas Reactions got blocked by this channel. I always see them mentioned in comments, but never see their comments. They always appear to be negative anyway, so good riddance.
@@Jim_The_Fish I'd guess he said "Nope" in doubt of this trivia, which unfortunately sounds like the kind of thing that gets made up and then passed around - they ad libbed that line on the spot, they kept the twist a secret to get a raw reaction, the actor's father had died that week so his tears were real, etc. Without any reference there is plenty of reason to doubt....on the other hand "Nope" isn't much of a reference either haha.
Fun fact, the scene where the doctor and rose are running at each other and he gets clipped by the dalek was filmed literally round the corner from an old childhood home of mine. Unfortunately we didn't live there when it was filmed, but I always thought of that scene whenever I was walking to school which took me along that road. It's fun living in Cardiff as a Whovian as I'm basically walking around the sets half the time haha, especially with Cardiff Bay and the first two series of Torchwood.
I love that, as things developed, Rose went from the defenseless love interest to hilariously like The Terminator; all she really needed to complete the look is say "Come with me if you want to live".
Harriet says that the Subwave Network (programmed to find the Doctor in times of need) was developed by the Mr Copper Foundation. Anyone remember Mr Copper? From Voyage of the Damned? Because personally I think that is the best way to complete this crossover.
Russell T Davies said, if he hadn't been able to get Penelope Wilton back to play Harriet Jones, he had alternative characters in mind for that role in the story, one of whom was Adam, the failed "companion" from The Long Game. It would have been a redemptive moment for his character. But fortunately Penelope was happy to return and so the character of Adam continues to suck. Anyway, big, big episode and a big, big reaction from my two favorite Gallifrey Gals! Can't wait to see the epic conclusion!
I kind of wonder if this episode hadn't retconned Adam's encounter with the Doctor. I mean, the main reason the Doctor was even allowed to talk with that lone Dalek was because van Statten had no idea what it was. presumably thing had went quite differently for that Dalek in a history where a full scale Dalek invasion happened 5 years before it appeared
I can remember when this episode first aired back in 2008. After this, the whole UK was on tenterhooks. It must have been the longest week ever for us Whovians.
A fantastic Rick and Morty episode, my puppies off leash, Star Wars dropped last night ( I will withhold any feelings on that for those who have not witnessed it themselves yet) and the Gallifrey-Gals this morning, you can dismiss the Holiday spirit if you so desire, but this is the most wonderful time of the year. The Katrina complex stare-offs and the calculated Paula Puzzle piecing of clues, if you two were scientist we would be living on the moon by now.......brilliant!!!!!!
The best series finale for the show. The throwbacks to the rest of modern as well as classic who are amazing. Love this whole two parter its fantastic. Also the whole different age range thing for the three shows is spot on. Doctor Who was on BBC 1 as a family show, Torchwood was on BBC 3 as an adult show, and Sarah Jane Adventures was on CBBC (aka Children's BBC) for.... well children. That said all the shows are worth watching (though both spin-offs take a while to get into the swing of things) but I totally get why for a reaction series it's entirely impractical to do all three, especially given the varying watch orders the fandom has all leading to a very uneven viewing experience. Oh and as always a wonderful reaction from the Gallifrey Gals, as usual 😁
You two will never know just how insane this two-parter was at the time of release. The whole of the UK talked about it and the end of part 1 was maddening because we had to wait an entire week for the conclusion. The big bold TO BE CONTINUED was also a nice nod to that fact. Russell T Davies and the rest of the production knew exactly how big of an impact it had.
Doctor, Donna, Rose, Martha, Wilf, Sylvia, Martha’s Mom, Jack, Ianto, Gwen, Sarah Jane, Luke, Daleks, Harriet Jones, Jackie, Mickey, Unit, Davros. We used Mr Smith and K-9 from the Sarah Jane adventures, the doctors hand that’s been well developed since the Christmas invasion and we used the plot point of the rift from Torchwood it’s just awesome how everything connects and links together and has its place. Brilliant writing. Also the bees disappearing wasn’t a plot point that they made up from nowhere, in the UK around that time the bees were actually disappearing due to mobile phone signals so they worked it into the plot
I hadn't gotten into Classic Who at this point, so the first time I saw Davros's chair and single hand, I was like, "Dr. Claw?? Is this an Inspector Gadget crossover??"
The original BBC Broadcast times are the giveaway for content. The Sarah Jane Adventures was shown towards the end of children's tv slots, which by tradition would be suitable for all children but aimed at the older end of the demographic. Doctor Who was broadcast at peak family viewing times. Torchwood was early, post-wastershed, i.e. adults only but more "serious themes and saucy" than "HBO T&A right in your face".
Yay! You're finally here! I've been waiting for y'all to get to this one for so long! And then there's the upcoming holiday specials... Keep up the good work!
I like the bit of continuity with the mechanical right hand - because Davros' fingers got shot off in Revelation of the Daleks,also directed by Graeme Harper
My one complaint about this episode is shown best at the 10:22 mark, the introduction of Davros, to anyone who knew who he was this was a shocking and mesmerizing experience to anyone else it was a "who the hell is this dude"?. Only the Sontarians were introduced properly......
There was a mention of Me. Copper by Harriet Jones. I’m guessing he started the Foundation after buying his house with a garden and what not. I’m wondering how he and Harriet Jones got together.
Sarah Jane adventures was on on a Tuesday on cbbc after school, and I wasn't allowed to watch torchwood as a kid but i believe it was on BBC one , same as Dr who, but it aired much later when I was in bed. So yeah, Sarah Jane was the kid's spin off and torchwood was the adults one
Thank you both. It's so much fun to relive this experience with you two, albeit vicariously through a computer screen. Paula, enjoy this time. I'm so envious that you get to experience all of this for the first time; the surprise, the intrigue, the laughs and the tears (both happy and sad). Cherish these moments. Katrina, you are a great steward of Doctor Who, holding the cards close to your chest, while at the same time informing Paula along the way. I know how it feels to watch or do something with someone who has never watched or done that something before. You get to relive it through their eyes, so I know how much you must be enjoying this too. Plus we both know the Doctor never gets old. See what I did there? ;) Anyway, keep doing what you both do. Can't wait to see what you think of the final episode of Series 4, Paula. It's what you might call bittersweet. Thanks for posting, watching and sharing. I'm off to watch Katrina watch TNG 1x13 now, and everything I said above about you both, flip and reverse it for TNG. LOL Allons-y!
The Sarah Jane Adventures definitely harkened back to the original series, written for younger kids than New Who. And Torchwood was DEFINITELY for adults! You both should at least watch the Sarah Jane Adventures to see how good it is. Paula, just wait until next episode!
@FAN THEORY Did you know, Harriet Jones actually escapes the Daleks? In a book illustrated by one of the designers, she jumps through a trapdoor, on to a mattress and then rides away on her motorbike
Hey, you remembered to do your intros right at the start this time, what gives? 😃 This episode is fantastic and it felt like huge 'event television' the week it aired, especially with that cliffhanger. Unfortunately for me the resolution didn't match up to it or even come close, but I suspect I'm in the minority on that. You'll probably love it!
A better description for Sarah Jane Adventures (SJA) is that it is Doctor Who, starring kids. It's only a kid's show, in the same way that Doctor Who is also a kid's show, ie. they are both family friendly. In all other aspects, SJA is Doctor Who. Don't let the "kid" aspect put you off watching SJA. Torchwood is adult-themed only during the first season. After the first season, it tones down the R-rated scenes, also becoming like Doctor Who (with more death).
I think Sarah Jane adventures is more to draw in kids who then in turn become interested in doctor who. When fans feel doctor who is too.... Pg. That's when Torchwood comes in. Mind you that's from a ratings view point. From canon I love that they seem to each cover a different aspect. Doctor who and perhaps Sarah Jane are the fantasy and wonder of space and time travel and dealing with aliens with some danger but is more akin to a fairy tail with the hero always slaying the dragon saving the princess. Torchwood is closer to reality. It shows the darker and grittier side of what could be and the hard choices to be made. It shows that the fairy tail hero isn't always coming and sometimes, more oft than naught, not everyone survives. I've not seen it but I get the feeling Class was suppose to fill a wierd niche between the two. Young audience high stakes
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FAN THEORY TV So I subscribed I think prematurely... Do you guys have a posted schedule? Because I subscribed and hit the bell while taking your word on it! Also hope Next Gen leads to DS9!!!! Voyager after. Original not needed unless it’s with Triples!!!
@@24fryguy We're thrilled to have you with us! We won't let you down--not on purpose anyway. We are never selfish and always upfront about everything on our channel. You've come to a safe place. 😄
Happy Holidays to you two! Just to put you in a further Christmas spirit with the Whoniverse, here's a video I think you'll like. It's from this actor/impressionist from the UK named Eliott Crossley; whose calling card impression just happens to be David Tennant/the Tenth Doctor. Here he is doing an audio reading of one of the Doctor Who-themed "Mr. Men" books by Roger Hargreaves called "Doctor Tenth: Christmas Surprise!" Enjoy! czcams.com/video/jag68DlTHvM/video.html
I think we are going on a short 2 week break for the holidays and then we will be back to finish our Season 4 with the season finale followed by the specials, yes. 😃
Paula, when you've finished watching all of Doctor Who, could you please react to Torchwood? We'd love to watch you get emotionally devastated by the dark horror story of Jack and his gang.
You: "I'm Paula" and "I'm Katrina. Your Gallifrey gals."
Me: "Yes; we know who you are!"
Dave Jackson extra 💙💙
Interesting tidbit: Harriet Jones says the subwave network was developed by the Mr Copper foundation, as a method to locate the doctor in times of crisis. Mr Copper was the old man from Voyage of the Damned tht the doctor saved and dropped off on earth
brilliant! idk that
Copper was apparently planned to appear in some way during this, but his actor badmouthed the show in interviews so the character only got a mention instead.
@@TheGohanSkywalker no way
@TheGohanSkywalker Just like Christopher Eccleston...
Sarah Jane's face when she hears the Daleks, tho. Damn, you gotta love Sladen.
As good as she was in the old episodes, these episodes, she really shines.
It was amazing to watch, because it felt like a continuation of her experience of them from Classic Who. So well done.
That part is probably my second favorite part of the episode.
It must be said, however, that all of the companions recognized the Daleks.
My favorite part is when she recognizes Davros' voice.
She is the only companion that understands who/what Davros is.
And it's entirely from her experiences in classic Who.
R.I.P.❤
The line "someone tried to move the Earth once before" is a reference to the First Doctor story The Dalek Invasion of Earth which first aired in late 1964 and set some 200 years later. The second story of Doctor Who's second season it was the first reappearance of an antagonist in the show, the Daleks having appeared in the second ever story (called the Daleks, unsurprisingly!). It was the height of Dalekmania in the UK.
I thought he meant the Time Lords at first since they moved Earth in the first story of the Trial of a Time Lord season. And they actually moved the planet while the Daleks were just planning to at a later date.
I thought that was why the Doctor said "It can't be." as at that time he still believed Gallifrey was gone so surely it couldn't be them whereas he knew the Daleks had survived. I didn't think of The Dalek Invasion of Earth until a while later.
Marvel: Infinity War is gonna be the biggest crossover of all time.
Russell T. Davies: _Hold my jelly babies._
(But for real, the 2008 gang knew shit was serious when all we got was a "To. Be. Continued" Screen with no previews!)
Hands down my fav episodes of dr who
@@drewm5335 Davies deliberately wrote the story as "throw all the toys onto the ground and play."
Always the running joke.
"Harriet Jones (former) Prime Minister"
"Yes, I/we know who you are".
But her final words, her last retort to that ongoing gag is so powerful
"Oh you know nothing of any human, and that will be your downfall"
I loved it.
beautiful pay off is beautiful.
She was absolutely spot on, as the Daleks underestimated Donna, and they paid the ultimate price for it.
Harriet Jones is probably my favorite character of the Tenth Doctor era :) Although Wilf is good too.
I love how Who can sometimes make you feel totally different things at the same time. Harriet Jones' last moments are a perfect example. The dalek's "we know who you are" is funny and sad all at the same time.
That for me is, without doubt, a very big part of what is the beauty and the magic of Dr. Who, a thing that no other sci-fi show (or any show even) ever manages to capture so well, in my opinion.
This is such a massive episode. Made better by the small subtle foreshadowing/clues. The bees disappearing, lost planets, something on your back. It's so cool to have all come together and tie everything together making the foreshadowing subtle but genius. Not to mention the callbacks Mr Copper Foundation for example. The old man who survived the Titanic with his cool £1 million. Can't wait for the next reaction tissues at the ready. Getting ready to welcome a new Doctor.
To this day, this is still my favourite episode of _Doctor Who._ It's the Whoniverse's very own Crisis On Infinite Earths.
@Thomas' Reaction’s
Given the involvement of multiple TV shows and the threat to all reality rather than half the universe, I think Crisis is a better comparison. Also, I’m bored of jokes about _Infinity War_ and _Endgame._
"God bless you, Rose Tyler." #AmenToThat
Paula: I don't want to do the whole next episode with him regenerated.
Katrina: 😏
I'll be honest, that just reminds me what a biiiig ole cheap fakeout it was :P
Also I just checked and I STILL have the Doctor's phone number in my cell phone contacts from back when this originally aired! Apparently, it's transferred from phone to phone since then!
BBC really missed a trick when they didn't make this phone number actually call anything IRL -- they could've had a fun recording by Tennant or something.
Katrina looking down so she doesn't have to watch the Doctor get shot is totally my aesthetic. I sob every time I watch that whole scene, even though I know what happens next.
Wilfred firing the paint at the Daleks eye stalk is a flashback to the actors role in the 1960s Dalek movie when his character does the same thing, and it worked then!
Did it fall down the 'ole he'd dug?
I really hope they watch the two Cushing Dr Who movies at some point!
Hearing the opening notes of “Rose’s Theme” here never fails to make me cry.
Also:
Harriet Jones’ sacrifice tore my heart out.
“Osterhagen” is an anagram of “Earths gone”
The Sarah Jane Adventures was made for CBBC (Children’s BBC) so is definitely a kids show. Torchwood is most definitely not.
I was laughing at Katrina trying to softsell it's a kids' show. It's a kids' show! It's fine! That's what it was made for! Nobody will be hurt by saying so haha.
As this is the first part to a two parter, I don't have that much to say. I just think this is an EPIC episode, definitely the biggest Doctor Who has felt up to this point and possibly still to this day! It's so good to see all the characters we've come to love across these four series come back for a showdown with the Daleks. With the addition of Davros, who's the creator of the Daleks. He's been around since the 1970s and is the last of the "big four" villains (Daleks, Cybermen, the Master and now Davros) of the classic series to come back. He was even briefly mentioned in series 1 during the episode "Dalek". Very much looking forward to the next episode!
Farewell David Tennant. You had a good run. ;)
People watch this and don’t realize that the bees disappearing was an actual thing in Britain, they thought it was down to mobile signals and there was a period of time where there just weren’t any bees anywhere over here. So RTD tied it into the plot 🤣😂
Dr Who has always been a family, Saturday tea time show.
Sarah Jane Adventures was literally a kid's show - it was made for CBBC (children's BBC), and Torchwood was definitely adult - shown post-watershed (after 9pm).
Yes...but what is tea time exactly?
😝
Every time the Daleks come back in the RTD era, I imagine what it would be like if that episode was their first appearance in New Who. This is my favourite of those scenarios.
This episode was absolutely massive, epic event television. I was absolutely excited to see this show as I was already a fan of both spin-offs. When I saw in the Next Time trailer after the previous episode that they were doing a crossover, I literally screamed with excitement and had to hold onto it for an entire week (then again after THIS episode ended!). They did it so well, having all these characters equally involved. It was especially good how they managed to integrate the spin-offs without you having to be a massive viewer of either of them. It was also cool how they brought back Davros. I was already very much familiar with him from having seen all of his Classic Who appearances. Julian Bleach does an amazing job bringing the character into the modern era. Finally, as if the whole episode wasn't enough, the end cliffhanger was jaw-dropping and left everyone wondering who would be taking over from David Tennant. There had been absolutely zero spoiling of it, even in the media. Nobody knew that he was leaving! So, definitely the reaction the show's creative team wanted.
An almost perfect peace of a television experience at the time. First class viewing in my opinion.
During the classic series, I recall an episode that showed Davros's hand getting shot off, which led to the mechanical hand.
It says volumes of the malice and ferocity of the daleks when even the man who can never die is frozen in fear
And welcome another Big Bad from Classic Who! Davros first appeared in the Classic Season 12 story 'Genesis of the Daleks' where two nations had been at war for centuries. Davros creates the Daleks as the ultimate weapons, who soon turn on him. They killed him, but he got over it to play villain often. Also that remark of stealing the Earth is a reference back to Classic Season 2, 'Dalek Invasion of Earth' which pretty much was the goal.
And thus began the longest week in British history after this episode aired!
Or maybe it was just because I was an impatient 10 year old, idk.
However, the one thing I think this series needed is tying the theme of missing worlds together MUCH more.
For the first two, they're pretty good with weaving that in but then they just drop it. Like, for instance:
The FGABHE was only able to enslave so many Odd because they were scattered after the loss of their homeworld.
The Sontarans needed a new clone world after their primary one was lost.
The Hath are working with the humans after the loss of their own world.
The Vespiform lost their own world, sending one to earth.
The Vashtsa Nerada fled to the Library after the world they came from was under threat.
And Midnight, well that is already filled so ok.
Instead of just Pyrovillia and Adipose 3, Donna could say how it's been happening to them all along.
This isn't a MASSIVE problem with the series but just a couple extra lines would have helped tie everything together and keep the idea of "disappearing worlds" a constant thing for the series.
Davies did it best in S2, but it was just abandoned after that, which sucks as it makes Davros' whole plan just seem like it comes out of nowhere.
There you are! I wanted to copy/paste this excellent comment for future reference but then the video where I saw it in 4th Wall reactions was blocked. Good to see you with that here!
Vashta Nerada didn't flee. They were taken to the library by accident in the books.
@@MrArcherF He's not saying they were. None of these things actually happened in this show. Those are all idea on what they COULD HAVE done to tie everything together. Not sure how you missed that when are all are obviously not things that actually happened.
@@catwhowalksbyhimself Except those other thngs DID happen!!
@@MrArcherF No, they didn't! The Ood didn'st lose their homeworld. The episode takes place ON their homeworld! The Sontarans lost their cloning worlds through war. It didn't disappear. The Hath didn't lose their world, they just worked with the humans for no particular reason. The Vespiform also didn't lose a world. NONE of these things happened!
You are a living example of the phrase "it is better to keep you mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
When I heard the "EXTERMINATE" from their message for the first time I literally screamed "GOD DAMN DALEKS". My cat was sitting on my lap and was very confused
A rose by another name, would a bad wolf be , jelly baby
I'm thumbing up also because Will Parks was the name of one of my godfathers.
Don't feel bad about saying Sarah Jane was a kids programme! That was the absolute intention - it was made for a part of the BBC channel called CBBC which stands for... you guessed it 'Childrens BBC'... I have just loved watching your journey through Season 4. I'm not sure I can cope with the 13th episode... it kills me every single time.
It literally kills me everytime. I know for a fact I am and will be losing it.. No matter how many times I've seen it!!
I was 8 when this first aired and I vividly remember crying for about 2 hours afterwards when 10 regenerated, what an unbelievable episode, so good.
Fun fact about the Doctor and Rose reunion: Tennant received an edited version of this episodes script that had the whole reunion taken out and it was kept a surprise for him. So that scene when Donna says, "Why don't you ask her yourself." that was genuine confusion on his face. And when Billie and David ran toward each other, that was real too.
@Thomas' Reaction’s "nope"? What do you mean, "nope"?
@Thomas' Reaction’s huh. Maybe you're right. Maybe not. Doesn't matter.
I’m guessing Thomas Reactions got blocked by this channel. I always see them mentioned in comments, but never see their comments. They always appear to be negative anyway, so good riddance.
@@Jim_The_Fish I'd guess he said "Nope" in doubt of this trivia, which unfortunately sounds like the kind of thing that gets made up and then passed around - they ad libbed that line on the spot, they kept the twist a secret to get a raw reaction, the actor's father had died that week so his tears were real, etc. Without any reference there is plenty of reason to doubt....on the other hand "Nope" isn't much of a reference either haha.
Fun fact, the scene where the doctor and rose are running at each other and he gets clipped by the dalek was filmed literally round the corner from an old childhood home of mine. Unfortunately we didn't live there when it was filmed, but I always thought of that scene whenever I was walking to school which took me along that road. It's fun living in Cardiff as a Whovian as I'm basically walking around the sets half the time haha, especially with Cardiff Bay and the first two series of Torchwood.
This is the start of one of my favorite mini arcs of the series ever!! loved this episode and how it was filmed... very well done
I love that, as things developed, Rose went from the defenseless love interest to hilariously like The Terminator; all she really needed to complete the look is say "Come with me if you want to live".
Harriet says that the Subwave Network (programmed to find the Doctor in times of need) was developed by the Mr Copper Foundation. Anyone remember Mr Copper? From Voyage of the Damned? Because personally I think that is the best way to complete this crossover.
Paula isn't ready
Peter Wallin nope. But she will get there in time... and space.
@@FANTHEORYTV *gigglesnort* Dork.
I became a Patreon supporter just to watch the next episode right away. So your business model is working!
Russell T Davies said, if he hadn't been able to get Penelope Wilton back to play Harriet Jones, he had alternative characters in mind for that role in the story, one of whom was Adam, the failed "companion" from The Long Game. It would have been a redemptive moment for his character. But fortunately Penelope was happy to return and so the character of Adam continues to suck. Anyway, big, big episode and a big, big reaction from my two favorite Gallifrey Gals! Can't wait to see the epic conclusion!
I'm kind of glad it wasn't Adam tbh, Harriet Jones is a much bigger and better character imo.
But Adam was from 2012 so he wouldn't have met the doctor for another 3 years if the story is set in 2009.
Fortunately...
@@ItsAv3rageGamer We know she was.
I kind of wonder if this episode hadn't retconned Adam's encounter with the Doctor. I mean, the main reason the Doctor was even allowed to talk with that lone Dalek was because van Statten had no idea what it was. presumably thing had went quite differently for that Dalek in a history where a full scale Dalek invasion happened 5 years before it appeared
My babies oh my precious things 😭 I wish I could hug you right now, this show can really break your heart some times 😭
I can remember when this episode first aired back in 2008. After this, the whole UK was on tenterhooks. It must have been the longest week ever for us Whovians.
A fantastic Rick and Morty episode, my puppies off leash, Star Wars dropped last night ( I will withhold any feelings on that for those who have not witnessed it themselves yet) and the Gallifrey-Gals this morning, you can dismiss the Holiday spirit if you so desire, but this is the most wonderful time of the year.
The Katrina complex stare-offs and the calculated Paula Puzzle piecing of clues, if you two were scientist we would be living on the moon by now.......brilliant!!!!!!
The best series finale for the show. The throwbacks to the rest of modern as well as classic who are amazing. Love this whole two parter its fantastic.
Also the whole different age range thing for the three shows is spot on. Doctor Who was on BBC 1 as a family show, Torchwood was on BBC 3 as an adult show, and Sarah Jane Adventures was on CBBC (aka Children's BBC) for.... well children. That said all the shows are worth watching (though both spin-offs take a while to get into the swing of things) but I totally get why for a reaction series it's entirely impractical to do all three, especially given the varying watch orders the fandom has all leading to a very uneven viewing experience.
Oh and as always a wonderful reaction from the Gallifrey Gals, as usual 😁
You two will never know just how insane this two-parter was at the time of release. The whole of the UK talked about it and the end of part 1 was maddening because we had to wait an entire week for the conclusion.
The big bold TO BE CONTINUED was also a nice nod to that fact. Russell T Davies and the rest of the production knew exactly how big of an impact it had.
Personally I think all great romances could be improved by a dalek attack at the climax
"Mulder, I think I love you..."
"I think I love you too, Scully..."
"EXTERMINATE!"
Rose and the doctor my babies
Wouldv'e been funny if he snubbed her and snogged Donna instead!
@@ajivins1 ewwwww donna woulda slapped him so hard he would have time traveled without the tardis 🤣🤣
@@ajivins1 He only wants a mate.
"Torchwood goes on the darker side of things..." Understatement of the year. :D
"Who?" "The Doctor"
But this time you forgot "and Donna...and Rose...and Martha and Sarah Jane and Captain Jack and everyone else..."
The intro of this episode always gives me chills
Paula might like to know that Ianto, the other member of Torchwood is the voice of Solas from Dragon Age
0:34 probably the best shot of the whole video
Doctor, Donna, Rose, Martha, Wilf, Sylvia, Martha’s Mom, Jack, Ianto, Gwen, Sarah Jane, Luke, Daleks, Harriet Jones, Jackie, Mickey, Unit, Davros. We used Mr Smith and K-9 from the Sarah Jane adventures, the doctors hand that’s been well developed since the Christmas invasion and we used the plot point of the rift from Torchwood it’s just awesome how everything connects and links together and has its place. Brilliant writing.
Also the bees disappearing wasn’t a plot point that they made up from nowhere, in the UK around that time the bees were actually disappearing due to mobile phone signals so they worked it into the plot
Next week can't get here soon enough.
This was a really good set up episode, I have some issues with what comes next, but I'll rant about that next time
I hadn't gotten into Classic Who at this point, so the first time I saw Davros's chair and single hand, I was like, "Dr. Claw?? Is this an Inspector Gadget crossover??"
The original BBC Broadcast times are the giveaway for content. The Sarah Jane Adventures was shown towards the end of children's tv slots, which by tradition would be suitable for all children but aimed at the older end of the demographic.
Doctor Who was broadcast at peak family viewing times.
Torchwood was early, post-wastershed, i.e. adults only but more "serious themes and saucy" than "HBO T&A right in your face".
Yay! You're finally here! I've been waiting for y'all to get to this one for so long! And then there's the upcoming holiday specials...
Keep up the good work!
One of my favorite 2-parters!!!
Thumbs up if like me you’re a fan of Terry Molloy’s Davros.
I like the bit of continuity with the mechanical right hand - because Davros' fingers got shot off in Revelation of the Daleks,also directed by Graeme Harper
I love the Molloy insult which was directed at Sylv's Doctor. "Your appearance is as inconstant as your intelligence!"
Saw this the first time and i can say that i was not ready to see the series of events that's about to be unfold.
My one complaint about this episode is shown best at the 10:22 mark, the introduction of Davros, to anyone who knew who he was this was a shocking and mesmerizing experience to anyone else it was a "who the hell is this dude"?.
Only the Sontarians were introduced properly......
Merry Christmas ladies!
AAAAALL OF THE EMOTIONS
1:26 Get used to this expression.......you'll be seeing it a lot on Paula over the next few episodes.😊
There was a mention of Me. Copper by Harriet Jones. I’m guessing he started the Foundation after buying his house with a garden and what not. I’m wondering how he and Harriet Jones got together.
According to Russell T Davies, Harriet Jones might have survived this episode. Somehow.
We can rebuild her. We can make her better than she was before-better, stronger, faster!
Sarah Jane adventures was on on a Tuesday on cbbc after school, and I wasn't allowed to watch torchwood as a kid but i believe it was on BBC one , same as Dr who, but it aired much later when I was in bed.
So yeah, Sarah Jane was the kid's spin off and torchwood was the adults one
Sarah Jane= kids show, Doctor who= Family show, Class= Young Adults show, Torchwood= Adult show
Thank you both. It's so much fun to relive this experience with you two, albeit vicariously through a computer screen. Paula, enjoy this time. I'm so envious that you get to experience all of this for the first time; the surprise, the intrigue, the laughs and the tears (both happy and sad). Cherish these moments. Katrina, you are a great steward of Doctor Who, holding the cards close to your chest, while at the same time informing Paula along the way. I know how it feels to watch or do something with someone who has never watched or done that something before. You get to relive it through their eyes, so I know how much you must be enjoying this too. Plus we both know the Doctor never gets old. See what I did there? ;)
Anyway, keep doing what you both do. Can't wait to see what you think of the final episode of Series 4, Paula. It's what you might call bittersweet. Thanks for posting, watching and sharing. I'm off to watch Katrina watch TNG 1x13 now, and everything I said above about you both, flip and reverse it for TNG. LOL Allons-y!
@@PaulaDeming My pleasure. Thank you, and Katrina, for the videos.
yes. another great episode in the books. next one will be a good reaction to. remember davros!!!
The Sarah Jane Adventures definitely harkened back to the original series, written for younger kids than New Who. And Torchwood was DEFINITELY for adults! You both should at least watch the Sarah Jane Adventures to see how good it is.
Paula, just wait until next episode!
So excited for these episodes
@FAN THEORY Did you know, Harriet Jones actually escapes the Daleks? In a book illustrated by one of the designers, she jumps through a trapdoor, on to a mattress and then rides away on her motorbike
That’s not canon tho o bet, just like big finish. The extended universe is very much fan fiction and “what if?”. Harriet Jones is dead.
@@callumocreary1253 RTD confirmed it is canon
@@muhammadyahya2542 fair enough
Hey, you remembered to do your intros right at the start this time, what gives? 😃 This episode is fantastic and it felt like huge 'event television' the week it aired, especially with that cliffhanger. Unfortunately for me the resolution didn't match up to it or even come close, but I suspect I'm in the minority on that. You'll probably love it!
This was so epic when this happened.
We are finally here!
Poor Paula, when I saw this episode i watched the next one like .5 seconds after "I'm regenerating!".
Class was even more violent than Torchwood
A better description for Sarah Jane Adventures (SJA) is that it is Doctor Who, starring kids. It's only a kid's show, in the same way that Doctor Who is also a kid's show, ie. they are both family friendly. In all other aspects, SJA is Doctor Who. Don't let the "kid" aspect put you off watching SJA.
Torchwood is adult-themed only during the first season. After the first season, it tones down the R-rated scenes, also becoming like Doctor Who (with more death).
Thats a real phone number that they used. Well kinda. If you call it Tennant has a message that he cant answer while hes out traveling
This is my favorite doctor who episode
Darn I reached the end of your reactions. What am I to do now? 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I think Sarah Jane adventures is more to draw in kids who then in turn become interested in doctor who. When fans feel doctor who is too.... Pg. That's when Torchwood comes in. Mind you that's from a ratings view point.
From canon I love that they seem to each cover a different aspect.
Doctor who and perhaps Sarah Jane are the fantasy and wonder of space and time travel and dealing with aliens with some danger but is more akin to a fairy tail with the hero always slaying the dragon saving the princess.
Torchwood is closer to reality. It shows the darker and grittier side of what could be and the hard choices to be made. It shows that the fairy tail hero isn't always coming and sometimes, more oft than naught, not everyone survives.
I've not seen it but I get the feeling Class was suppose to fill a wierd niche between the two. Young audience high stakes
2:17 rose use to be a normal girl now she’s a fighter
That was particularly cruel to make us wait a month for the conclusion of a two-parter.
All right!
Do you guys have a schedule? Would like to know when your next reactions will be. Promise to subscribe if you do.
Joshua Frydenlund We do have a usual schedule. We were only on a break last week and this week, but we will be back with new episodes starting Monday, Jan 6 and new episodes of THIS SERIES beginning next Friday. If you don’t want to wait, you can check out new episodes consistently every week in full length and in advance by supporting us at Patreon.com/FanTheoryTV
FAN THEORY TV So I subscribed I think prematurely... Do you guys have a posted schedule? Because I subscribed and hit the bell while taking your word on it! Also hope Next Gen leads to DS9!!!! Voyager after. Original not needed unless it’s with Triples!!!
@@24fryguy We're thrilled to have you with us! We won't let you down--not on purpose anyway. We are never selfish and always upfront about everything on our channel. You've come to a safe place. 😄
The witch Doctor.
It would be so cool if you could watch Torchwood together! :D I recently saw that show and it is awesome! :D
Yay!
I really like the next episode, though not as much as some of my favorites. There are some phenomenal episodes in the specials afterwards though.
Where’s jourrney’s end reaction??😟😟
Happy Holidays to you two! Just to put you in a further Christmas spirit with the Whoniverse, here's a video I think you'll like. It's from this actor/impressionist from the UK named Eliott Crossley; whose calling card impression just happens to be David Tennant/the Tenth Doctor. Here he is doing an audio reading of one of the Doctor Who-themed "Mr. Men" books by Roger Hargreaves called "Doctor Tenth: Christmas Surprise!" Enjoy!
czcams.com/video/jag68DlTHvM/video.html
I am never playing poker with Katrina, that's all I'm saying.
😈🤷🏻♀️
Seems like the TARDIS screen should filter out Captain Jack’s pheromones. 🤔
Are you going to continue straight to the 'specials series' after you finish season 4?
I think we are going on a short 2 week break for the holidays and then we will be back to finish our Season 4 with the season finale followed by the specials, yes. 😃
@@FANTHEORYTV Oh ok cool
"Da whole yooman race!"?
Paula, when you've finished watching all of Doctor Who, could you please react to Torchwood? We'd love to watch you get emotionally devastated by the dark horror story of Jack and his gang.
Friendly reminder that somewhere out there, Rose is probably married to a man who's 50% Donna.
Yeah, so many people forget that. :/
Please watch Torchwood!😂
Question is I hope you are still a Whovian with Peter and Jodie! I skipped ahead to some Matt Smith ones you have done! Lol
Rose/ doctor do make a great couples I'd love to see their children and grandchildren later on future tv series?if rose return to show?
Please watch Torchwood!!!!
Harriet Jones is the Best!
Ann Bryce.