I live and work in Japan and the first thing I notice when I visit Canada or the US is how things that are broken don't get fixed right away. So many things are "out of order" and there is a lack of pride in making sure things are working properly. Wow, since Yahoo featured this video, I am getting loads of messages!
@@thiskneegrow multiple differences. In US you have a govt that's fighting with each other half of the time, the country split in half and there's so much problems. But in Asian countries, we do what is necessary for the ppl
@@thiskneegrow lol. USA has No Pride in their environment in the cities except for their love for the concept of the American freedom. Everything is different, the size is just one reason out of probably 50000 things that make japan have more pride in making things work well
@@TheSkace if americans were more careful with things and had respect for items being put to use by the general public like they do in other countries they wouldn’t break in the first place. In japan or any other good country, the guy on the opposite side wouldn’t even have used her charger because it wouldn’t be designated for that car bay.
Exactly this. We need it to be as simple as gas not to mention the 150kw supercharger etiquette with every other changer vs V3 250kw. Then all the different ones with electrify America and on and on. It needs to be simple and just work for everyone without knowing charging speeds, adapter differences, etc
This is nothing new with technology. Remember when flip then smart phones were taking off? Each had an individual charger specific to the brand. As time went on we normalized chargers. The transition and time it takes to get sorted out sucks, but it does get figured out.
If it gets to be as simple as Gas or Diesel, Lightning or USBC etc, then most people will be able to understand and either use adapters or easily find one of the two that work for their system, but until then we’re in the middle of the proprietary wars. Hopefully we can learn from the early smartphone cable debacle
I agree. I think HD, 4k, etc are a good analogy. I think people roughly understand that if they have a 4k TV they can watch 4k content without have a larger standards discussion. If we could simplify to DC fast, DC fast+, DC ultra fast (or whatever), then we could much more simply understand, e.g. my Bolt is DC fast, so I don't need the DC ultra fast charger.
Tesla's superchargers are even simpler than gas pumps, but yeah, I do agree that for majority adoption it needs to be so simple that it's almost impossible to do it wrong, I think. There's no way around diverse charging speeds since there's good economical and practical reasons to have different ones. But making a simple standard of colors and symbols to indicate the speeds would be a good start. Before we get a standardized plug, I think there should be clear signs telling the connector type and common things to do. The payment is the biggest issue though - it should all be standard credit cards or automatic payment from car communication.
Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...not the "what's up guyzzz!!!!"...thank you, that's annoying AF when most youtubers say it... MKHB does say it most times, but calmly
I couldn't put my finger on what I liked about these videos, and I think you nailed it. WHAT'S UP GUYZZZ IT'S YO BOY HILLBILLY HERE COMIN AT YA WITH A BOOMER THAT CAN'T WORK HER CHARGER, AFTER THIS WORD FROM OUR SPONSOR!!
The charging issue will catch up. The lady in your story has no business driving an electric car unless/until she understands the basics of charging. Can’t tell you how many people i see these days that are unable to simply change a flat tire. Personal responsibility actually comes in handy, more people should familiarize themselves with the concept. Or as Forrest Gump says, “stupid is as stupid does.”
There is a book called, "The Design of Everyday Things." It essentially points out that many engineers don't design things with the end user in mind and of those that do, they don't know how. What usually determines how quickly a new technology becomes mainstream is how quickly those who know how to figure how to use it *_AND_* how to explain it simply to others start adopting the tech and providing feedback to the creator of said tech.
as a engineer i can tell you why: because its not your job and no one cares if you care. i am always asking for usability help and no one bothers. so i shit something that works well with bad usability, get my money and move on. realy annoying
Great book! This is why I think every executive of every company out there that makes automatic faucets for public bathrooms should have nothing but those faucets in their homes.
Imagine if the hose at a gas station sprung a leak. They would instantly fix it before it became an issue. With these chargers they just let them sit broken forever before anyone even attempts to fix it.
Tho the hose is a simpler fix, this is a good point. Solution may be to have the charging stations manned instead of unmanned. Management by people that have an investment in the station. But are they getting enough clients for the cost to benefit ratio
@@zazudeguru he’s a Democrat. They’d want them paid $40/hr, full benefits and a union so they could FO and never get fired. Oh, and then charging would be more expensive than gas. 🤣
I agree, EV makers are glad to take your money for their vehicles, and let the consumer deal with the charging grid issues. But would love an in-depth video about the issues with the existing USA power grid problems.
@Jimmy Two Times you asked a question, so I guess the "counterpoint" would be the answer. The answer is no, they do not also do that with gas stations. Gas pump interfaces are standardized and open. Having to recite basic facts is sad and tiresome, so please in the future be kind to others by saying interesting things.
@Jimmy Two Times if they were responsible people who cared about humans, they would spend at least 4 nanoseconds putting forth the effort to cooperate on useful standards.
So I work in a Volkswagen dealership and I’m in charge of the delivery. When I deliver an ID.4, I literally have to put in double the time to explain to older people how this whole charging thing works, it’s a nightmare for them to learn to work with the apps and everything needed to charge the car when they are not home. I get many calls from them after the delivery for questions around the charging process. I can totally relate to your thoughts on this
Greetings from Costa Rica! The charging infrastructure is very good here. Costa Rica is a small country but is famous for giving a lot of emphasis to ecology and green technologies. We even have locations where you can charge for Free! I bought an EV recently and everything has been fine. I guess outside the main city, the experience is different, but so far it has been great. Also, most of the electricity that we produce here is from renewable sources like hydroelectric plants, so you are sure that it is truly clean energy.
I just had my wedding in Costa rica! I was shocked to see ev chargers all over the place. I was so curious to the speed of charging and the types of use cases people use evs for there since it felt like they were spaced just far enough apart that if they wernt a super charger you would be sitting there for and hour or two between stops. It felt like I saw one every 50 minutes of travel. Do you think it's possible to have a ev and live outside of the main cities?
One of the best videos from this channel. This is real stuff. I am an Ioniq 6 owner and I'm slowly figuring out the local chargers just work around 50% of the time. Sometimes charging handles are cracked, tiny things like switches are broken or loose. Sometimes the chargers are out of sufficient juice or are in conservation mode. Yeah we definitely need routine maintenance for public chargers that's for sure.
Correct thanks for the government and company's stop making petrol and diesel cars in the future you only be able to own older cars the car companies who made ice vehicles don't care now hope some companies go out of business serve them right
This happened to my father in 2021. He leased a Polestar, and he loved it to bits, he was always excited to take me for a ride or show it off to his friends. He drove it all the time around the city, but he's also the type of person who loves doing 1 day road trips, driving 200 miles in a day sometimes. Obviously he had planned for charging along the way, but 9 times out of 10 a charger was broken, or the charging speed was horribly slow. And after 2 months he got fed up with the thing. Even though he loved it so much, he ended up rolling over the lease to a gas Volvo...
That's unfortunate. I find Polestar's infotainment is one of the better ones out there (I've never driven a Tesla, but I understand that it's probably the best when it comes to navigation). If he couldn't figure out charging with built-in navigation and calculating the best charger to go to, it's probably still too complicated, or the charging networks still suck.
He just wasn't ready for them yet, the electronic world is a bit hard to grasp if your not savvy with it. Maybe he should have charged at home when he's asleep. Like most EV owners do.
@@waynelevett3632 Did you even read the post? He did figure out what to do, but the chargers were broken or slow, and he can't charge at home on a road trip. If you think it's unlikely to find so many broken chargers, you are wrong. Unfortunately that's the reality in the US, unless you drive a Tesla.
As Google Maps is adding more EV features into app, they should add a star rating system for chargers and include that data in route recommendations. The charger manufacturers could also look at that data to help determine which chargers really need something fixed.
Tesla and slowly rivian are the only manufacturers with their own charging networks. The rest are owned by third parties and they don’t give a flying fuck.
They dont care....... investors and the government spending our tax dollars are dumping billions into the charging infrastructure with no incentive to maintain it.......just get it built.....tesla is the only one that makes an effort.....im not a big fan of tesla either by the way but i almost never hear of one of their chargers not working
Thank you for posting this. My very first charging experience was with a Mercedes loaner vehicle. They didn’t have the cable available for me to just charge it at home and by the time I got home I saw that I was going to need to charge so I went to several charging stations in my area All of which were broken. Having range anxiety with my first encounter of using a fully electric vehicle was not great. I’m 100% with you on your point of the charging infrastructure needs to be fixed to keep up with the amount of electric cars that are currently being sold.
It would honestly be so cool if you would do a "State of electric vehicle charging infrastructure" (working title) video once a year just to provide some historic context as to how the infrastructure is progressing over the year. The video probably wouldn't do that great, but I still think it would be cool.
If you're interested in retrocomputing, you've probably heard of the 8-Bit Guy. He also occasionally does videos about electric vehicles and he did something very much like what you described about three years ago. czcams.com/video/TcoLCTkM0ys/video.html
I think this is one of those points that deserves a main channel video that not a lot of people would consider at a first glance and how the charging experience is similar to how phones used to charge with a billion different connectors, some that were really finicky and some that needed adapters to work with other phones
The connectors aren't really the issue. It's no different than the apple (lightning connector) and literally everyone else (usb-c). You have one player, Tesla, with tons of share doing their own thing (NACS) and literally the rest of market using the CCS plug. Even Teslas in Europe use CCS2! The real issue is availability, reliability, and capacity. The chargers really aren't where you need them, or they're the wrong ones (level 2 when you're in the middle of nowhere and it should be DCFC), or if they are there they aren't working and if they are working they're being used. When comparing to gas stations - an infrastructure that has been cumulatively building over the last 90 years, EV charging has a lot of ground to makeup, very quickly. The Inflation Reduction Act and NEVI funding were designed to help, but right now the financial incentives are for automakers to sell cars and for no one to build chargers. We really need to build like 20% of the gas station infrastructure that we've built in the last 90 years in about 2 years to make EV charging as easy as plentiful as gasoline refueling.
@illusive destroyer But you could USE your phone while it charges, And if you weren’t happy with the charger you could buy another for 10 bucks, worst case you could buy another phone for 500 or borrow the person’s standing next to you, and neither of those two situation‘s really left you and your family stranded over something you paid over 50k for. Not to mention it’s a lot easier for a manufacturer to create and pump out 1 million new five dollar cables versus building and installing 1 million more superchargers in the city. No your little lightning cable versus USB-C incompatibility is not even close to being the same thing dude.
That's the main reason I got the Volvo xc60 recharge (plug in hybrid). It has a small range (about 60 km) but I can easily charge from my 110v garages outlet. I commute no more than 30 km daily and if I ever run out of battery, I still have a 2.0 l turbo ICE that can take me anywhere. Until the charging infrastructure is reliable, I will not fully adopt EVs.
Thank you for this. I don't have an ev. But, I would like one. It's just nice to hear about you helping someone who doesn't know how to make the charing work. I've seen so many videos on bad charging stations I keep wondering how less knowledgeable people will cope with these janky charging stations. This message has got to be aired louder so that these charging station companie and the ev manufacturers will become more concerned with customer friendly equipment. It would be cool if someone started an ev charging company that actually offered full service charging for the newbs because this would help troubleshoot when the charges aren't working.
The finicky charging where you need to twist the cable really reminds me of the time when everyone had wired headphones and at some point the sound cuts, so you start twisting the wire around your phone to find a working “angle”. Let’s hope soon there will be a solution!
I have the same problem with an air compressor from Harbor Freight. The cord is produced by the cheapest possible manufacturer, and depending how you twist it, will lose electrical contact internally. It's too frustrating. Just make them properly, please.
@@nowake Yes, and replaceable. Like, connectors on the device's end please. There's SEVERAL standards that allow locking ones, waterproof or whatnot (heck there's connectors for stage lighting that can resist 155°c). The cable will eventually break even if it's better quality, but at least this way it's simple for anyone to replace it. Not to mention fixed cables make transporting the device an annoyance.
i’ve had the same experience with non-tesla chargers and like 70% of the time it’s such a convoluted process. they gotta fix the charging infrastructure asap!!
@@MattiaMonticelli regulation, make plug n play (or something close to it) mandatory and roaming between providers mandatory at a fair price. the industry will then figure out the best solution.
@@MattiaMonticelli governments have standardized tons of things. building codes so everyones doesn't use random fucking parts for homes, internet standard protocols, etc. it's a matter of time like everything else when the problems arise that standardization will be pushed by government bodies.
@@TK-gd9td We´re talking about global standards, concerning a multi-billion-international-industry. It took 50 years to apply standards to electrical systems worldwide, and that was back in the days when things developed much, much less rapid. Forget about governments setting standards which also would take away the possibillity of development and technological advance in the field of charging, as it would cement a certain...well...standard and keep it from changing. The only possible transition from petrol to electric cars is a disruptive one, locking out a big part of our population from individual mobility. Unfortunatelly this probably is what to do, considering global warming and it´s devastating effects on people all around the globe.
@@gerokron3412 I know this is gonna bounce like a football from a wall for all in this thread......but ill give it a go. How about thinking less selfish and a bit out of the box. Forget about global warming and do it for practical reasons? A car, used or new starts at 300-400 bucks a month....... (purchase price, taxes, inssurance, repairs, fuel). It's 25-33% of my monthly salary. That's more than i pay for my mortgage of a 90m2 apartment. I'm the one that represents 80% of the population. There's nothing more i would like than good public transport and tell car sellers to shove their new car up their ass. For half the price that 80% population bracket pay for a car, would be more than enough to have not good, but excelent public transportation and maintained in mint condition. Im talking a bus every 5 minutes, and at rush hour every 3min. As a secondary effect you drastically reduce traffic for every1, and would you look at that!!!!, emissions and global warming too. And those situations 4-5 times a year, i pay 50 bucks a day and rent a car or a van, or anything i need. But hey..... why do that, when we can have shitty and convoluted individual mediums that cost an arm and a leg......
Great comments and no question, this is 100% correct. As an aside, the video on the Galaxy S23 Ultra is really good (thought you were using an iPhone). Keep up the great work
I was on a weekend ski trip with my brother. While everybody was enjoying themselves in the evening, my brother was glued to his phone obsessing over the range degradation of his Model S and having to recalculate his route home. He had to wake up at 4:00am and race to the one available working charger before the next guy or he would’ve had his day ruined. Another thing to consider is road trips with high needs/autistic children. My buddy’s regular 6 hour drive (1 gas stop) to see his parents required an additional 4 hours and tons of range anxiety when he went electric. His young kids had meltdowns and he was super stressed! I’m a sit this one out until my friends stop obsessing about their EVs, then I’ll know they’ve become mainstream appliances. 😕
That doesn't add up. A 6 hr drive at 65 miles an hour is 390 miles. Several EVs can go that far on a single charge. Perhaps a 30-45 min stop for recharging at most. Not sure about how it comes out to an additional 4 hrs
I just bought a Tesla Model Y. I’m in my 70s and I live in the Palm Springs area with many others born long ago. the problems you describe are not just a generational thing. Lots of people my age have Teslas and other EVs. But every single one of my peers I talked to knows about the chaos of non-Tesla charging. All of us have the wherewithal to install level 2 chargers at home. And, we all have time to deal with the problems of charging. My children (who are in their 20s-40s) see EVs as being too much of a hassle due to the charging issues. They are short on wherewithal or time or both. As you said, this is killing EVs not because you can’t deal with the problem but because dealing with the overhead of charging is simply not worth it for busy people.
It's like a flagship phone, bruh. You buy the case BEFORE you even buy the phone so you'll have protection on day one. That's where they jack'd up. Infrastructure should have been there FIRST
Honestly, that's only a Tesla owner problem. Everyone else is on the same page (with the exception of LEAF owners). Bolt EV, VW Id4, the Mach-E, and everyone else all have the same standard charging plug. Evgo and Chargepoint are now "the standard", the pendulum has swung, Tesla lost that "monopoly" in my opinion. I have a Bolt EV and have zero problems whatsoever. Between EVgo and Chargepoint, I have never had any issues.
That is a very great point! I would personally say a lot of people I know in my age group (20+) ironically don't want to deal with electric vehicles because of how complicated they find charging it is. P.S. I dont know why I have never seen nor remember the word "wherewithal" in any text I have ever read but thank you for this gem. I am inspired... nay, even determined to use it the next time the opportunity to sound fancy arises!
I used to work for a car charging company in the UK and the whole industry is a mess. Basically a bunch of large companies trying to install as many charge points as possible that will break after about 2 years because the products haven't properly been tested. Our customer service desk was full of people complaining the app didn't work, the charger won't start charging or the charger is stuck in the car.
Why would companies install as many chargers as they can knowing that they will break soon? That's like deliberately sabotaging your own income stream.
@vkman34 because they thought they could make a profit before they broke. They also want control of the space, so other companies can't put their chargers in.
That's a good point you make!) I think it would be good if these issues are highlited more often so that they would be fixed quicker. We also miss good feedback opportunity to log these issues and be aware when they are fixed
That was the experience my dad had when he rented a Model 3 from Hertz. He couldn't end up charging it and returned it after a day. Very interesting to see a real world example of these frustrations. Also good on you to be so helpful. :) Many people would just ignore these people in trouble, at least here in socal.
When I got my Model 3 I basically gave my Leaf to my mom for an about town car. She loves it and wants to take it to further away places but it's at the edge of her round trip range. She asked where she can charge up but I told her seriously don't even try. She is VERY technology challenged and just getting her to download and install plugshare was an experience I never want to repeat. Trying to get her to open and keep track of accounts for the various charge networks (let alone at her age just not losing the cards/fobs) is basically impossible. I know most people over 50 will just never bother. My dad wouldn't use a microwave for 20 years because it was too intimidating. Yeah there are people like that.
I’m turning 53 tomorrow. I consider myself somewhat tech savvy all my life and even then I won’t get an EV until I have no choice. Watching these kinds of videos of the problems and issues of EVs have completely turned me off of them. I hope that changes someday but meanwhile there are too many ICE vehicles that I want to own before I go electric.
Most car owners, aren't 'car people.' I used to work at a car rental company. A lot of people totally feel out of place in an unfamiliar vehicle and only really know their own vehicle. . . It becomes significantly worse for those who've been driving the same Oldsmobile for the last two or three decades and who haven't sat in the driver seat of a modern vehicle before. People eventually reach a point of getting tired of having to learn new stuff, especially if it's something you've gone through most of your life never previously needing to know, and you're not even sure why you have to learn it now. . . I've had elderly people sit in a new rental car, and genuinely start having a panic attack, or flat out refuse to take the vehicle because it was so alien to them that they didn't think they could learn to drive it. . . And these were gas powered cars. Add the extra discomfort of having to learn an entirely new system for 'refueling', and you can bet it'll be a hard pass for some.
My Dad is over 70 years and has a lot of problems with tech... but electric cars is awesome for him because he charges at home and he is afraid to drive long distances so everything is within range and he avoids the gas station hassle, he just plugs the car and thats it. Not for everyone.
I'm one of those rare EV owners that has zero ability to charge at home. I rely 100 percent on public chargers. This video is really important and I agree 100 percent.
This, but the other way around. For me, I always charge at home and have a bigger car for road trips so I am much less impacted than many others, but even for me, I agree that this is an important and not much discussed issue.
@@jimv1983 Yeah, for example company cars as a benefit but no option to fit a charging station at home, i.e. due to your landlord or because it doesn't pay off to install one for that purpose.
I completely agree with you Marques. We recently bought an EV for work and I have to admit, I've found the charging thing to quite confusing. I like to thing I'm across "technology", but the last few weeks has seen a LOT of catching up on this industry on my behalf.
I'm interested in an EV and learning about how they work, and what's available. The lack of charging stations and information about charging is one thing that deters me right now. I don't want a hassle in a car. Thank you for this insight! I also love how the most replay part of the video is of the huge bird!
Thank you for taking the time to talk about this issue. For the record, I would really appreciate it if you dive deep into all the "boring" aspects of electric car ownership. Charging, maintenance, buying versus leasing, app locked features, etc. Really anything and everything that's outside the norm for those of us used to traditional vehicles.
The charging infrastructure is becoming a huge talking point by a lot of youtubers. I realized this after owning Tesla’s for years and then got a Bolt for daily commuting. I tried to roadtrip my Bolt less than 500kms and it was not enjoyable. I really can only suggest one brand to friends.
@@XLoaferY , No. Until all those other brands can use all of Tesla’s charging stations or directly match it with their own Tesla is the only real option. Specially since Tesla’s can also use all other public charging options along with their own robust and convenient charging network. You cannot possibly fully understand this advantage if you’ve never owned a Tesla.
Great video. Glad this was all covered. There's a lot of infrastructure questions unanswered while most car manufacturers are going all in on electronic car production
I once worked at an inn with two Tesla charging stations. One of them worked, the other was intermittent. The numerous calls to Tesla to replace this faulty charger fell on 'deaf ears.' As time progressed I would be faced with people who in one case, purchased a new Jaguar in Boston and drove north to Maine for the weekend. The inn offered free charging for electric cars. Of course, the Jaguar and the first generation Tesla chargers were not compatible. The folks who purchased the Jaguar had no idea on how to charge their car, or what was required to adapt their car to a Tesla charger. I was responsible to ensure, we always had a universal adapter, and could provide charging for any electric car that arrived at the inn. I found that the disconnect between what people were purchasing and how to use it was huge, and expectation on the part of the purchasers to be that of a gasoline filling station mentality. There needs to be a greater emphasis on training purchasers (on the part of car dealerships). Folks with money, buy electric cars, and expect everyone else to service their needs. Not a good scenario for the future of electric cars. BTW: In the period of two years, Tesla never responded to our requests for a replacement charger.
Absolutely spot on. I have pulled up to an "Electrify America" charging station that showed all 4 chargers available and none worked. People had put sticky notes on it to say "Don't work". Or you pull up to a charging station and when you go to plug in, the screen comes out of hibernation to say the charger is unavailable. It is frustrating, especially when you plan a longer trip and chargers show as available but really are not. My EV is just for around town now since my home charger runs off solar and is dependable vs the public chargers. For longer trips I just use the old fashion gas car since that infrastructure is solid.
You video made it to Yahoo!'s front page. Let's go!!!!!!! The multi-charging station/adapter thing reminds me of the Blu-Ray and HDDVD era and the BetaMax and VHS era. Companies need to get their $hit together and start working together instead of competing against each other.
I am in South Broward County, Fl (Ft Lauderdale area). I have been in this same experience; The charging infrastructure is bad. The charge point chargers at Walmart are frequently broken and busy. Several times I had to travel across town to charge. I tried helping people; several who had rentals took their cars back and others were just disgusted. I installed my own at home and dread traveling because of the issues.😢
I've driven 100% electric for 6 years now and this is the biggest thing holding back adoption. When I had a Leaf I had 10 different apps on my phone for different charging networks, half the chargers were broken or had some convoluted way to get them started. Tesla on the other hand you plug the car in, it charges and you leave. That is the way things need to work for things to really take off. The cars are amazing but with charging we're still in the Betamax VS VHS days.
It would help is Tesla ditched their own special connection (like they have in the rest of the world) and then you wouldn't need any connectors. Then it would help if they opened up the American supercharging network (like the rest of the world) so other cars can charge at their locations. Tesla might be "showing the way" but at the same time they are also making the problem worse for any American non tesla owner.
Fortunately in Europe there is a main standard for fast charging (ccs2 combo) so the majority of ev doesn’t need any adapter (also tesla here use ccs2 combo). In addition to this at least in Italy all the major charging network/provider (aside for Tesla supercharger) are interoperable so you can use one app to operate 99% of public chargers and even buy kwh with a subscription just like with mobile phone provider to reduce to half or less the price of electricity
@AutoFocus - can you make a video about the current state of Tesla SuperCharging in the NYC Metro area? I use to supercharge in the mornings where there were many unoccupied stalls - and now theres always a wait for supercharging no matter what time I go. I find that its mostly Uber/Lyft Drivers occupying the stalls at all hours. If you look at the Charging stations in queens like JFK, Queens Center Mall, Glendale, you'll notice that its now fully occupied at all hours with waits being 25+ minutes at some locations. With the winter cold, the charging speeds decrease and therefore adds further delays and additional waiting. None of these stalls have the magic dock, if it's currently only serving Teslas - imagine how much busier it would be when other cars move over the NACS standard.
I went away to a popular holiday area in the UK last summer. I did my research and in the local area / town there were 3 rapid chargers. Whilst we were there we needed to top up the car and found all three rapid chargers out of order, according to the associated app comments, it had been out of order for 18 months! We eventually found a 22kw charger at a hotel that we were able to use. We only saw one other EV whilst we were there, which says it all. This was in North Devon, England in the Bideford area.
As a 3-year Bolt lessee, I can completely relate to everything you said. Every few months I make the same 700-mile round-trip to see family, and after two years I thought I knew where the good charging stations were and which ones would give me trouble. However, the last two trips I've spent more than two hours each way dealing with faulty chargers at what had previously been trustworthy stations. My conclusion is that the supply of functioning chargers has in no way kept up with the demand, putting more strain on what's already built. On top of that, when I take the Bolt somewhere I haven't been before, it's always a learning experience figuring out where the good charging spots are at my destination. Usually there aren't many, and many of the ones that do exist only have Tesla plugs. Which is why whenever interested ICE drivers ask me about my ownership experience, I always recommend that they buy a Tesla if they plan on road-tripping. The charging situation for everything else at this point is iffy at best, and dreadful at worst.
As a current bolt owner I completely agree! I started driving more since my girlfriend moved and drove more and started figuring out the charging spots. There’s a walmart in front of where she lives and it had an EVgo, a few months ago they took it off for some reason and it’s really helpful since there isn’t a supercharger for another 12 miles. I had to find another DC and became frustrating. I still love my bolt but I don’t reccomend an electric car for road trip which is why I have a gas car on the side for further distances👍🏻
Tesla not converting to the industry standard is and will continue to be an even greater problem. Yes there was reason originally, but to not convert over now is simply stubbornness.
@@brettsherman7810 They changed to the standard in Europe (the standard that got designed by german manufacturers after Teslas standard). But the real problem is something else. Don’t blame the only company that is doing something. Blame the ones that do nothing. All the other manufacturers put close to zero dollar in the charging infrastructure. VW was forced to build Electrify America and the rest is payed by the tax payer. Only Tesla is using their own money to make E-Mobility work. But yet people sh*t on them without thinking for a second.
@@Zedus-rl9hp The Tesla charger is superior, but unfortunately they didn’t open it up to other manufacturers so it forced the development of CCS. An inferior universal standard always beats a superior proprietary one.
You are 100% correct. My last 3 rental vehicles were E-cars: Ford MachE,, and the Ionique. My hotel had a single charger that was being used by a Tesla. I got lucky on day 2 and finally found the Ionique adapter which appeared to be working ( I noticed a green flashing light) at least to a person who is totally unfamiliar with the charging process. The next morning, I realized the car had not charged at all. I still don't know what I did wrong. The other 2 times I rented a Ford MachE, they did not supply ANY adapters in the trunk of the vehicle. No charging could be done. Although I have not yet purchased an Evehicle, I am a big fan, and consider myself to be an early adopter. I can understand the frustration and outright anger from people who want this to work. I'm sure this issue was part of the consideration by Hertz selling off a big part of their Tesla fleet - maybe as important as their stated inventory devaluation rationale.
Absolutely true, this is the case in the UK too. We have a growing number of cars but not enough working chargers or spots to charge, if not addressed quickly enough the entire thing could slow sales down in the next few years. Ideally have a fossil car for long range and electric for shorter journeys. The EV situation will improve as time goes by but realistically we are looking at another 5-10 years at least before things start improving.
Completely agree. As an engineer I don't mind the little annoyances until they pile up, but for the average person even one bad experience trying to charge is enough to calcify someone against EVs because they're just not ready yet for mainstream
I love it that you and Stradman are bringing attention to this issue at the same time. That's definitely the next big obstacle for EVs to get to mass adoption.
The entire country of Canada has around 150 Tesla superchargers. If you don’t own a house with a charger at home, you probably don’t own a tesla because the logistics are ridiculous.
Nah. Have you seen how cobalt is mined. They used kids to mine that toxic shit. There are many issues with EVs that need to be solved before a mass switch over from fossil fuels.
Well, after my first time commenting on one of your other videos, where you helped the guy in the other truck, CZcams is offering your videos to me now. 👍 Yes, I definitely subscribed. The problem in the cable that you showed was broken wires inside. One problem I am seeing in various parts of California is, people driving gas powered cars are parking in electric vehicle charging stations because they are closer to the store. Police are not doing anything about it. There are no signs posted for fines like you would see for Handicapped parking slots.
i just got my tesla and admit there is a bit of a learning curve. i live in an apartment building and luckily the parking garage is equipped with charge point stations. it took a couple of hours of just figuring it out and setting it up. going to the floor with the chargers, i knew to use the adapter, but the tap to pay wasn't working unless i set up an account on my phone and request access since it was considered a private property charger. so a lot more hassle than just plug and play or pumping gas. but once i learned all that, i got used to it and i can adjust my lifestyle around it. this is relatively new transportation technology so i think it makes sense things are catching up. i compare it to when i first had to learn to pump gas, it was a bit daunting at first but do it a couple times and you get the hang of it like second nature. charging EV's will get there, eventually.
It still shocks me here in New Zealand. The goverment is offering thousands of dollars worth of rebates on electric cars but in most towns you could count on two hands how many chargers there are that are publicly available. Although basically every single town has at least one or two chargers. There is way more gas stations than there is even singular charging ports. We are seriously lacking behind...
And for most people as you said, its just too hard to learn all the new ways of charging. Electric cars need to be for the consumer not the prosumer. NORMAL everyday people need to be able to use the chargers without having to read hundred pages of how tos or even wathc a video. Gas is easy, shove the filler in the hole. Once it stops your done. It needs to be that easy.
@@germanhatchback With gas you shove the filler in the hole, pick from 1 of 4 gasoline types and you better now screw up with diesel! Then you have to credit card, zip code, etc, deny the car wash. With a Tesla supercharger you just shove it in the hole and walk away.
@@JackMott Firstly, diesel is CLEARLY marked green and the nozzle is quite far away from the gasoline nozzle. Secondly, pressing the gas type takes fractions of a second. Thirdly, pushing a zip code or pin is quite easy and quick. Pay cash if it's too much for you. And lastly and MOST IMPORTANTLY, it's the same process to fuel up ANY CONSUMER CAR, unlike EV's (Tesla vs everything else) Also, only some gas stations have the pump ask if you'll like a car wash. Plenty of one's don't, go there instead
Recommending the lady to just go to the supercharger 5 mins away is definitely the best advice, even if they have to wait in the car for 15mins for it to charge, it would've added more juice than if they had plugged into the chargepoint and shopped in the mall for 2 hours. They are better off supercharging, then coming back and park in a regular spot for shopping.
Yeah and unfortunately other manufacturers would rather use the inferior CCS standard (which has the exact same problems as the J1772 in this video) rather than the superior NACS connector
Man, you are an ASSET to the community! Great, Great Great info ! Thank you. My Electric car plans are now on HOLD until the charging infrastructure is accounted for. Again, thank you. Kudos.
Thank you for speaking on this! This forever proves my point and goal to educate people, especially people who are unfamiliar with EVs as we make the transition to electric. It’s no fun if the user experience to charge their car is frustrating.
The strange thing I’ve noticed is that most people aren’t tech savvy-yes, even the ones who grow up with it. They just know how to use the apps they use daily. It doesn’t even matter if devs try to make the experience friendly for regular people because they barely even read the messages on the screen they just want to click away to the thing they want to do on the device
Agree 100%. The service is very important. Funny story, 50 year old me joined Sam's club today. After tinkering with the app for a bit I felt I had a handle on it. Went to the store scanned and added a few items to my cart then paid in the app allowing me to bypass all the miserable lines. Honestly it was the best experience I ever had shopping in a store. But I still can't see my parents figuring it out.
You are spot on here! I think the reason EV adoption is slowing is because people are having too many problems charging their cars. Not enough locations, too many reliability issues, too many lines, and the need to have endless apps is just too much hassle for most people. Plus when you take a trip, it actually takes a lot of preplanning to avoid issues . I currently have an ioniq5 EV and I love the car, but taking it on a trip is a big pain compared to an ice car. It requires a lot of planning, and then you have to monitor what’s going on, and sometimes adjust your plans as you go. A gas car you just jump in the car, and when it gets down a quarter of a tank or so you get off at the next exit and get more gas. And you’re on your way in 10 minutes or so. My next car might be a hybrid until this mess sorts out better.
What you've described is pretty much the litmus test - not only for EV's but for most products that rely on newer forms of technology: if it doesn't work for Grandma (without significant explanation) then it hasn't been thought out well enough. It needs to be simple, obvious, and dependable.
You've absolutely nailed it with this one. The charging infrastructure should be just as important as the car's themselves. No where near at the moment.
Here's how it should work: Buy car > add your credit card ONCE to the Settings app in your car > approach an electric vehicle charger > get out of car > plug charger into car > car charges the battery and charger charges your credit car. Car and charger handle it all. Each charger should have a phone number and tap to pay system as redundant backup ways to pay for charging.
It is just as important. The one manufacturer who seems to understand this, Tesla, acted accordingly. We just have to wait for the 'competition' to catch up. Competition.. yeah, right. Left up to them there would be almost no EVs worthy of the name today. They had to get scared that they would lose their lunch money in order to do even the little they are doing now. Not to mention those manufacturers still openly in opposition to electric mobility.
@@savedfaves That's the reason the EU made CCS 2 the port you have to use. The next thing is that ISO 15118 (plug and charge) should be required by the EU, which VW is trying to do. In the meantime, it is starting to get implemented. VW wants that you can put a few charging cards in and your credit card. If you plug the car in, it automatically selects the card that charges for the cheapest. Germany forces that charging stations build after July this year need an option to pay with your banking card without making it a lot more expensive. Plug and Charge should be implemented in a few years, so before the mass adoption of EVs really starts. That the US didn't enforce a common charging connector was a mistake. Either tesla makes their connector truly open source communication included (their port is now kinda open) or CCS should be the standard. Tesla could have pushed in 2014 to make it THE charging connector, including communication. If they had open sourced it, but they did not. What they didn't do. In the EU they had to change every supercharger to CCS and the US would be even more expensive. Or teslas are going to be the cars that can only charge at superchargers and a few other charging station that think it is worth it to have an extra cable for or you have to use an adapter
100% agreed. Add to that that every fuel station has a roof, is brightly lit... at least here in Germany, most of the public charging ports are in the middle of nowhere, no roof, no lights, no snacks, not even a litter bin. You're usually quite a bit away from anything else, fully exposed to the elements...
Fully agree with this. Just got a Jeep Avenger and while the infrastructure here is good here in Portugal the experience is not great. The Miio app covers most charge stations but when a charger doesn't work it's tough to figure out why. Nobody has tap to pay, it's app or bust which someone borrowing my jeep wouldn't have set up. I love my new Jeep and it's range is good enough to avoid anxiety but the charging experience is way more confusing than it should be.
What blows my mind as a gasoline car driver is that you cannot just pay for charging the way you would do it at a gas station. When I need gas, I don't need a smartphone/app/data to find a gas ststion, I only need to pay cash at the register or debit/credit at the pump, fill up without worrying the nozzle won't fit and refuel. If yiou don't make recharging the same way as a gasoline car, you will deter people from buying an EV. You shouldn't need a smartphone/app/data to recharge either. This is exactly why I have no desire to own one at this time.
I work as a product designer for a company that creates both hardware & software solutions in the EV charging space - This is such an incredibly important video. We’re working day and night on figuring out how to support our App users through the physical and software constraints in the industry - but the fact is that it’s all going to take some to figure itself out. Gas industry has had decades of testing and trials to a point now that we don’t think twice about getting gas. Good design is invisible! But we’re at it, I promise you that! Thanks again Marques!
I'm curious, Rhea. If we can pay for gas, food, bar tabs, etc. by simply swiping a card, why can't that be done with EV chargers? (Especially just copying the gas model). We don't need apps, RFID, or any of that. I see it as over-engineering, or just trying to unnecessarily force people to download and use apps so that the company can make money off them later or prop up their # of app users. Where am I wrong? (I must be or someone would already be doing what I'm saying.)
Your first issue is starting with an app. Why should the user need a smartphone to interact with your charger? Gas industry just focussed on getting liquid into the car. Initially handled by a service station attendant and then later by self serve. No apps or other things needed, just roll up put the filler in, fill up and then pay. electric should be no less simple. Plug in, fillup and pay.
@@sammer2587 To put it as simply as possible - the problem is mostly money (credit card fees and terminal fees) but also a huge portion of the problem comes from managing PCI DSS (credit card providers) certification. It is a pain in the ass, especially when your chargers are slow and you have some minimum cc fee. That is why everyone is trying to engineer their way around it and make money by making larger transaction at once on a website (or otherwise) to not have more than half of the transaction go to fees. With some RFID solution you also don't have to worry about costly cc terminals and the maintenance of them AND the PCI DSS certification. Would you charge 2$ with 1$ credit card fees OR Would you charge some account 20$ with 1,20$ in fees and then use the app/rfid/whatever?
Great point. The charging infrastructure here in the UK is not keeping up with the number of electric cars that are now on the road. I have owned mine for just over a year, and I have noticed that the chargers are getting busier and more of them are not working as I found out today when I tried the charge. If a petrol/gas pump was out of order, it would get repaired pretty quickly, but chargers seem to take a long time to be repaired.
One of the problems still is that people just move to another and they lost revenue for 1 slow charger. While a pump looses loads of revenue. And will be fixed quicker. Also, we need a simple way to ping the owner to say its out of order. And send that info to other drivers. Nothing worse than your smart car/app sending you to an out of order charger, while it's saying there are free spots
I've been an EV owner now for just under a year and I really have to agree with you MB! I'm so glad that my 2022 Ford F-150 Lariat ER came with a charging dispenser so figuring that out wasn't an issue. Also, when I bought my truck and lived in Central in NJ, there was a large Electrify America location not too far from my house so that I could take advantage of an occasional free charge from EA as well as the initial free charging on the Blue Oval network. Seriously, that lady's son needs to be admonished for stressing his mom out like that and not making sure she knew where to go and what to do for charging!
My girlfriend works for an electric car leasing company. We had and ID4 to test out and when it came to charge it, we had to go to six (6) separate chargers before we found one that worked, and when we got there, we were right at 1 mile til empty. That experience on its own didn't fully disuade me from buying electric, but it has definitely delayed it until I can own my own house to put a charger in it. Definitely agree that the infrastructure needs the most work.
That charging cable bending to make it work really sounds like old phones with wonky chargers, or stuff we would have to do to properly get an electric guitar plugged into an amp to get the sound right. Totally relatable.
Reminds me of the days when most phones had micro usb ports and as they started to age, you had position the charging plug in some strange angle to get it to work. If electric cars have this problem too then we might as well be better off with gas cars for a while.
Ditto! I have a 2022 model S convertible. Yes, I had it converted into a convertible. I was traveling and stopped at an Electrify America charging station. I tried two different chargers and could not get my Tesla to charge. Consumer reports did a recent article on electric chargers in the US and they reported that 27% of the chargers they tested were out of order. Adopting the NACS standard will make the experience far better but not if the maintenance percentage is 73% of them working. I cringe each time I have to use any other charger other than a supercharger. I have never had a Tesla supercharger not work. I have 12 Wallbox chargers at my office. They work but they were a little finicky at first and I had to learn the exact plug-in order and procedure. It was not as straightforward as my home charger or a supercharger because we keep the chargers locked because they are not for general public use. You are absolutely correct that unless the infrastructure is improved, EV adoption will slow down.
100% spot on. 🎉 I have loved my EVs but, as an engineer, I can handle these issues. But buyers shouldn’t need tech support to do something this basic. Not ready for prime time!
@@jeremy-b honestly I love mine and wouldn't trade it in for any other type of car. But they are hitting mainstream and the charging infrastructure for anything other than Tesla is atrocious and confusing.
As someone about to get their first EV I would LOVE for you to start doing reviews of charging networks on AutoFocus. Bringing more focus on the different networks - and ranking them competitively - is the only way to get to improvements.
If its in the budget get a Tesla, alternatively if you can charge at home over night do that instead This issue WILL piss you off lol W Tesla these issues are essentially gone
Electrify America, then EVgo. ChargePoint stations are typically owned by the property owner, so it's completely subject to the individual owner's level of maintenance. My personal experience is that they tend to work, but I've read lots of horror stories. That said, ChargePoint is creating a new hardware maintenance program for property owners to help improvie reliability, but I don't know how long before that shows.
That was a very interesting video. I wonder how much of this also comes down to the differences between countries. I can't say I ever saw or heard anyone ever complain about chargers not working in the Netherlands. Then again we do pay a lot of taxes (which is good) and these kinds of things tend to be fixed quite quickly. Nevertheless there are definitely barriers here to overcome. Please make more videos like this.
I think you're absolutely right. The problem is that the entity responsible for the design of the charging interface, i.e CCS, stopped at the electrical and mechanical technical specs. In the middle of the road. Nothing was done to standardized the service. If we take the example of an ATM, any bank or credit card can be used to obtain cash in all ATMs. It should be the same for a charger. One "card" should gives you transparently access to all chargers whatever the service company or charging network is behind. This is a big issue and you are right, the best advice one can give to a newbie willing to buy an EV is, buy a car which has a privileged access to a good charging network.
THANK YOU! It warms my heart and soothes my soul to hear someone younger than me admit this. I consider myself a highly Tech proficient 65 yr old, and I have given up trying to plan on charging anywhere else but home. After owning a plug-in hybrid for about a year, I drive it in HEV most of the time. As much as I love driving in electric, I can’t recommend anyone get an all electric car for now or the near future. There are so many ways that I would have to change my life to accommodate the car and when you get to a certain age you realize that every minute is precious and I do not have the time or energy accommodate shabby engineering. I honestly feel like ev charging companies are just taking tax dollars and making back room deals to get stations up but don’t care at all if they actually work and rarely maintain them. Politicians talk all day about spending money on infrastructure but unless you enforce a basic standard it will never be mainstream. And I am just not into enriching the richest guy in the world to inflate his already voluminous ego.
Two things need to happen for sure… Better charging infrastructure and maintenance, and lower cost. Cuz like….. if I am able get a hybrid someday, I don’t want that hybrid nature to be ignored for its entire lifetime usage. I’d want one of those, because the gas powered part would help during the winter, while the electric powered part would help during summer. Even with how much more green electric cars are, those parts just end up becoming useless in terms of gas powered cars…. Because the infrastructure is bad. So we either improve everything to do with electric/hybrid cars…. Or make useful and reliable biofuel cars, so the use of normal fuel doesn’t build up and Impact the environment when everyone can afford a car again.
That the truth that all the eco warriors seem to ignore... Full EV 's are not practical for mass usage just yet. It's all marketing scam at this point.
Owning a tesla is like driving a cell phone. Owning & driving a car shouldn't be so complicated. All that tech is too complicated for simply driving a car & using basic features.
I only charge my car at my house, mostly because I never take it any farther than I need to to be able to do that, so I've never even tried to charge it at a charging station. Even though I've had the opportunity to do so, I didn't do it simply because I didn't want to have to screw with accounts and all that other BS, so I can totally see why someone would be totally turned off by an experience like that.
I think home charging is part of the problem. At lot of people simply don't even see the problems or at least don't experience them often. Most regular people, at least around here, barely ever drive further than a full charge will allow. In fact, they often love it. They say "oh yea no more trips to the gas station, I just come home and plug it in". I honestly just fear the home charging will cause there to be a relatively low amount of public chargers, which usually doesn't even have to be a problem as obviously there is supply and demand, but I can't help but imagine massive wait times at chargers during the holidays or something when there are suddenly a lot more people who want to travel further.
This is literally killing the electric car industry. I have had an electric car for a year now and regret it; no charger of my own, rely on public charging and I’d say 75% of chargers are broken or not working properly. Each charger works differently, no standardization. It’s a nightmare. I’ll never go all electric again.
I had a similar experience today. A person had rented at Tesla and pulled up to a Level 3 Electrified America charger and he was completely lost. Unfortunately the car didn’t have any adapters. There is an educational part portion that comes with EVs and dealerships and rental services are doing a disservice to the industry by not giving a tutorial on charging etiquette, how-to, common issues.
THANK YOU! This is the topic everyone should be talking about. We rented an electric car in France. When we picked up the car it only had a 50% charge. The first charger we found was broken. Before long we were limping from one slow charger to the next trying to figure out how to get each network to respond. After the first day, we had it down, but it was a bit stressful. Fast forward. Now we have a Lightning, and I find that I’m often fussing with the chargers. Ironically I was finishing up at a ChargePoint station and a Polestar pulled in. The driver flagged me down. Turns out she was from Mexico and had picked up the rental earlier that day. She couldn’t get the app to work and had been thwarted at another location. She was at 10% and had about 200 miles ahead of her that day. She offered to pay me cash and use my account. I was happy to help, but also worried about her travels in the coming days. It’s winter here in Vermont, and getting stranded in a rural road when it’s cold can be dangerous. I think that manufacturers need to make people watch a video like yours before they sell an EV. The inadequacies of the charging network are significant and I can only imagine how much worse it will be as more and more people get their cars.
hold up. you have to connect to your phone to charge? for a technology that is being pushed so hard they sure dont make it easy to use. I don't think I could ever switch honestly, I like simple tech. I drive an old subaru legacy manual 6 speed and it has everything I need and not much of what I don't need, I can even completely turn off traction control when I need to. I really dont want all the fancy stuff you find in new vehicals, there is no electric option for people like me that just want a reliable car without tech shoved in every orifice and there is absolutely a market for it. it just needs to stop, go, have heat for the winter and windows that go up and down. I really dont understand why they put so much extra electronics that end up wasting its primary energy source, seems counter productive
@@noitallmanaz funny enough my wifes cousin has his car at the shop for repair and booked a similar style rental vehicle (crossover) from enterprise. when he got there to get his car they said well we are out and all we have to give you is an electric whatever. Mind you he had to drive a distance to the dealership for these repairs and has no transportation out of the rental place he was at. For his driving needs an electric car honestly would have worked BUT he has no charging at his apartment complex, parents house or work. He had to swap it out at another enterprise rental in another city for a gas powered sedan. TLDR family member got an electric car rental because that's the only option they had.
This has happened to me multiple times at every Mall Charger known to man. You can be going to the mall to buy an entire new wardrobe and still spend more time in the damn parking lot trying to get it to work, only to do the most embarrasing walk of shame into the mall never having gotten it to start even after 47 minutes of messing about. Shame chargepoint and every other charge station.
Sounds horrible. lol That'd be enough to get me to reconsider my car. I'm the type, I don't have the patience or calmness to deal with that sort of thing. If something as basic as charging a battery becomes a difficult task, I'd just give up on it. I got more important things to worry about and spend my time on.
@@MG-im8ku Exactly, lol. That's why I bought a Tesla and not a different EV. The Tesla superchargers are underappreciated. No apps. It always works. And they are always 150-250kW
@@LuKiSCraft I'm not even sure about those though. My local mall has a row of about 15 tesla superchargers. More than half of them are always broken. lol Walked by so many people in the parking lot yelling at the chargers for not working lol It's gotten to the point where ICE vehicles are parking in the spots of the broken tesla chargers, since no one can use them.
@@MG-im8ku Whoa, really? I have NEVER seen more than 1 stall out of order. And even that only happened once (15 of the 16 were operational). Which supercharger is this?
@@LuKiSCraft Yeah, I always find it ridiculous. Not sure if you meant which model supercharger, not sure. Can check next time I'm at that mall. If you mean where, it's a trendy mall just outside of Toronto. Recently made popular by a video of a guy driving into and through the mall at night to rob a few stores (just happened last week) lol
On vacation this past week in Arizona (Phoenix, Flagstaff) and decided to rent an electric for the experience. (Genesis G80) This video is spot on about the infrastructure. It is woefully inadequate. -Finding chargers is a pain. Once you find them, literally 30-50% are out of service for one reason or another. -Different charging rates 50/150/350 is confusing at first. Obviously I knew there’d be a difference, but 50kWh is useless in public. 150 is tolerable. 350 is really bare minimum and needs to be improved to compete with gas. -Why are gas stations not adopting electric? I had to find a Walmart or Kroger or a mall to charge in. That’s woefully inadequate. -As a rental, I didn’t have the at home option so I dedicated probably 4 hours during the week to find, wait for, and use chargers. Such a waste. -Electric is a lousy option for long trips until the charge time is cut down considerably from where it is today. It showed me how far we have to go before electric is really ready for the masses. I would never rent one again on vacation, nor would I consider buying one if I did not have my own garage and charger, and also would not want one if I regularly made long trips.
The bigger thing for me is. Last year during summer in Houston, TX I rented a tesla for a month doing uber and even tho the car said could do 260miles on a fully charge never able to go past 100-150 miles mostly driving in the city (uber) then it would cost me around 20 dollars to charge up because could not charge at home. It was costing more to run the tesla than to run the pickup truck I had at the time... That is what will drive most people away from electric cars. If you compare an electric car to a hybrid the hybrid makes more sense from a financial perspective and cost of operation.
Hey, Chris here from China. I've been thinking about buying electric for my next car for some time and I have been asking Chinese owners around here, especially concerning Chinese brands such as Geely, Aion and others and this seems to have already been solved by sheer number of chargers per square Km. They might have 10 chargers in 1 mall and then 1 block away they will have another 6 or 8. So even though 2-3 might be broken at the time you go there, you'll have enough charge to get to the next one. Also, if there is one or two that are broken, oftentimes they get reported on the app that they use to charge with and this ends up getting replaced within a week or less. During the Chinese New Year when many Chinese people drive back to their hometown, usually the gas stations are an absolute nightmare and traffic can make you sit in one place for a few hours or more, but this I saw that they had added portable charging busses. Literally mobile chargers that could charge up 4-6 extra cars at a time depending on their size. It seems that they saw the infrastructure was lacking during the holidays and they made sure to have a backup plan which seems to have worked well. Also, this video might be 8k, but I definitely feel the video quality took a hit when compared to the iphone.
I work on planning for the transmission grid, and you should really do an interview with somebody who works on these issues in your area. They're a lot thornier than most consumers, even enthusiast consumers, believe.
Sure, engineering is hard. Building computers and operating systems is way complicated too. But his whole point in this video is that the customer shouldn't need to care about that. Fortunately there is good news happening "as we speak". Check his video on the first experience with Tesla chargers being opened up to non-Tesla vehicles. There are some people who know how to make this work.
Exactly. No one can figure out how to get the power for electric semi charging stations in key parts of the national freight transportation network if it’s in a super rural area.
What I would love to see in the near future is a Tesla/EA, Chargepoint etc. charging station that looks like a gas station and they have about a dozen stations and you plug in and you get 30 mins. Also, I think they need to design the parking spaces for all versions of cars (Rivian's in the front, Lightenings in the front side, teslas's in the rear etc). I had to do parking gymnastics a few weeks ago at a EA rast charger at a Walmart. The car that was parked next to me had to park that way to get to the cable. Maybe there can be a standard that all charging ports be in the front or back on the left side and then the companies can design parking accordingly......off my soapbox!
Easy to enforce with LAW. After all the .gov is making ecars law so wtf is this idiocy. EU has ordered usb3 for all phones so they can do it. We all want to make good deal out of this but turning the business week into a religious trek is just backwards.
I completely agree! Electric chargers are the backbone of EVs and their availability and reliability play a crucial role in the adoption of EVs. Without a proper charging infrastructure, owning an electric car becomes much less convenient. Manufacturers have to start recognizing this and start increasing reliability and reducing complexity. That's one main reason why I'd get a Tesla over other EVs any day, despite the cool features coming out with other brands.
@@johnpalmer5131 WTF No, as long you live Under 60 Miles of a populate area near charger. Most likely home in low population area have plenty of space to install a private Level 2 charger. Having a private chargers negates the need to use a Public charger for like 60 mile circumference. This is doable because the battery Range on modern EVs are soo good.
I don't think this is much of a manufacturers' problem but a regulation one. We need laws to standardize charging in every way, from ports to paying methods and access. Every single charger should be accessible to any vehicle and driver with just any already existing standard paying method (no registration/account needed). Would anyone accept that some gas stations were only accessible to people that were members of some service or owned a specific car brand?
I ordered Tesla because of their Suprercharger advantage BUT I fear the inevitable -> just wait until more superchargers start charging non-Teslas and more and more EV‘s start bottlenecking even Tesla’s supercharger network since charge point, EA and others are all broken. Tesla network already is getting crowded with teslas lined up in some areas. Try adding non-teslas to that line. A MASSIVE bottleneck is coming. And what about all the people who will charge at home at night? Eventually, it will be like millions of people attempting to run their high voltage clothes dryers all at night at the same time. TREMENDOUS strain on the grid that America isn’t built for. Can we say rolling blackouts? I can’t believe more isn’t being done sooner. Remember this post 5 years from now. Or sooner.
Expat living in Shanghai. I’ve done a bit of road trips too and the electric charge network is outstanding. The speed at which the tech and infrastructure gets upgraded is amazing. Two years ago, most chargers were maxed at 90kwh. Now, more and more “public networks” are at 160kwh or higher.
Totally agree! Charging infrastructure is also poor here in the UK. And prices have increased from around 35 p a Kw to 75 p a Kw. I would not advise friends to buy an EV except for local use and only if they can charge at home. Tom Malogney, also warned that dealer's giving 1 to 3 years free charging as an EV purchase incentive are making matters worse in the US as drivers hog the public chargers and charge to 100% (not 80%) as its free. Even if they can charge at home or work, free juice is cheaper, so everyone suffers as tge network is overloaded. Thanks.
I've noticed the exact same thing with the charging posts outside our office. They're the good kind with fast charging but at any given point about half of them actually worked. The worst part is that there's no way of knowing until you plug it in. We came up with a solution though. We duct tape a big black trash bag over the ones that doesn't work and this makes it very obvious to anyone looking at them. This in turn makes people call the company and they're forced to come out and fix them. Since we started bagging the posts things have gotten better.
@@codycast LOL, you stole my comment! I was going to say that you will start seeing black trash bags on all kinds of working chargers but they won't be broken, they are just being "reserved" for some selfish person.
The combination of this and lower range makes it tough to make the swap from gas to EV. If I’m going to need to recharge regularly for anything more than basic daily driving then I need the confidence in easily found working chargers, just like I know I can find a gas station. This becomes even more important for people living outside major cities and in more rural/small town areas. The EV industry needs to invest in this if they seriously want the general public to adopt their cars.
This is so true. Even with PHEV I'm struggling to charge it most of the time because it either requires proprietary RFID card which I obviously don't have, or a separate account specific for a certain network, requiring an app or whatever, or it just doesn't work for any reason. In the end of the day you just need to carry at least a few charging cards, make sure you have payment methods attached to each, and hope that at some point it will work when you need it.
I would also like to share some experiences from Poland. So I do own a Plug-in Hybrid which is mostly charged at home. I have one app for the charging network in my home town, but whenever I travel to a different city I need to download another app, register, and add payment details to start using it. Basically in every other city there is another charging network to which I need register to and I ended up with 6 different apps to charge my vehicle. Hardware-wise I didn't experience any issues like you, but the fact that I need to register to another company when I'm traveling is kinda annoying
cant you just use plugsurfing? though i agree that payment/apps are idiotic, im not sure why we cannot get card payment reader built-in in the charger itself, like in the gas pumps.
@@xeon2k8 You get that more and more now. The problem is the same as it is with plugsurfing, tho: compared to provider accounts, the prices are OUTRAGEOUS. I recently saw it at a BP pulse station, since they have to declare the on-demand prices now. Had I charged without an account or with plugsurfing, I would've paid almost 10€ more for my whole charge....just for not having an account with them.
You’re absolutely right. I’ve been driving an EV for five years now and, while there have been a lot of improvements and growth in infrastructure, there is a long way to go. There are so many examples of installations half finished for years, installations that breakdown and are not repaired or installations only within expensive parking lots. The other concern I have is that so many new and planned installations are still level 2 which is useless on a highway trip. It’s fine if you’re planning to stay the night in a hotel, but when you’re on your way across the country and looking for a one hour break where you can recharge, level 2 chargers serve no function except to make the government or corporation that installed them feel good about themselves. Under normal circumstances, I rarely need to charge away from home, but it does make me think twice about long trips where there are still no guarantees that promised infrastructure will be alive and functioning where the map says it is.
I have a feeling this will change on a whole once the big car manufacturers all start their transition to "no more gas powered cars." VW will start in 2033. Toyota will be doing EV and Hybrid by 2030. Honda will go EV by 2030. Mercedes Benz has also announced an all-EV date of 2030. Pretty much everyone in Europe is doing it by 2030. American car manufacturers are the ones dragging their feet. Ford has announced "emission free" by 2035, but that's about as vague as it gets. GM is at least going all-electric by 2035. That's the stuff that's going to hurt the push for more infrastructure more than anything in the US. We're likely to be far behind the curve compared to europe and asia. But the light at the end of the tunnel is here. Eventually there are going to be a ton of EV cars on the streets and a lot of money to be made from charging them. The closer we get to 2030, the more that infrastructure is going to spread. They won't be throwing money at something without demand. The demand's gonna be there. It's also gonna be the most absurdly chaotic time for EV owners, as there will likely be a time when EVs flood the streets while there's still a shortage of available chargers. There are gonna be a LOT of parking lot fistfights.
I did a 3000 mile road trip in my Rivian. Once we left California, it started getting dicey, especially as we went into some rural towns. 100% of the non Tesla/Rivian charging locations had units that were down. Then once we reached British Columbia, high speed chargers were completely nonexistent (in Vancouver on top of that). So charging from home is great, if you have a Tesla and stick to the interstates you’ll be ok…. Otherwise the infrastructure still has a long way to go before EVs can be more than a round trip commute car. Which is justifiable for 99% use cases. Just need to also have a gas powered long range vehicle as well.
I'm glad you're doing this, Marques. People need to know what the ups & downs with electric tech, especially when it comes to EVs. It seems that the biggest issues revolve around charging difficulties, performance in extreme temperatures along with range degradation over time & below zero climates.
would you consider a video guide to the infrastructure available in the US? coverage, which cars connect with which stations, etc? we're looking to get an electric car next, but the infrastructure seems a scary mess to deal with
I live and work in Japan and the first thing I notice when I visit Canada or the US is how things that are broken don't get fixed right away. So many things are "out of order" and there is a lack of pride in making sure things are working properly. Wow, since Yahoo featured this video, I am getting loads of messages!
only difference is japan is 50x smaller than america with fraction of population and almost no cultural identities.
@@thiskneegrow multiple differences. In US you have a govt that's fighting with each other half of the time, the country split in half and there's so much problems.
But in Asian countries, we do what is necessary for the ppl
@@thiskneegrow lol. USA has No Pride in their environment in the cities except for their love for the concept of the American freedom. Everything is different, the size is just one reason out of probably 50000 things that make japan have more pride in making things work well
Nobody uses all the chargers all the time and its not profitable. They will fix it when none of them are working.
@@TheSkace if americans were more careful with things and had respect for items being put to use by the general public like they do in other countries they wouldn’t break in the first place. In japan or any other good country, the guy on the opposite side wouldn’t even have used her charger because it wouldn’t be designated for that car bay.
Exactly this. We need it to be as simple as gas not to mention the 150kw supercharger etiquette with every other changer vs V3 250kw. Then all the different ones with electrify America and on and on. It needs to be simple and just work for everyone without knowing charging speeds, adapter differences, etc
This is nothing new with technology. Remember when flip then smart phones were taking off? Each had an individual charger specific to the brand. As time went on we normalized chargers. The transition and time it takes to get sorted out sucks, but it does get figured out.
Because every gas pump is the same... oh... wait
If it gets to be as simple as Gas or Diesel, Lightning or USBC etc, then most people will be able to understand and either use adapters or easily find one of the two that work for their system, but until then we’re in the middle of the proprietary wars. Hopefully we can learn from the early smartphone cable debacle
I agree. I think HD, 4k, etc are a good analogy. I think people roughly understand that if they have a 4k TV they can watch 4k content without have a larger standards discussion. If we could simplify to DC fast, DC fast+, DC ultra fast (or whatever), then we could much more simply understand, e.g. my Bolt is DC fast, so I don't need the DC ultra fast charger.
Tesla's superchargers are even simpler than gas pumps, but yeah, I do agree that for majority adoption it needs to be so simple that it's almost impossible to do it wrong, I think. There's no way around diverse charging speeds since there's good economical and practical reasons to have different ones. But making a simple standard of colors and symbols to indicate the speeds would be a good start. Before we get a standardized plug, I think there should be clear signs telling the connector type and common things to do. The payment is the biggest issue though - it should all be standard credit cards or automatic payment from car communication.
I enjoy your videos. You are calm, not doing bunch of jump-cuts and "what's up guyzzz!!!!" stuff. Very informative and easy to watch -- good job.
Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...not the "what's up guyzzz!!!!"...thank you, that's annoying AF when most youtubers say it...
MKHB does say it most times, but calmly
I couldn't put my finger on what I liked about these videos, and I think you nailed it.
WHAT'S UP GUYZZZ IT'S YO BOY HILLBILLY HERE COMIN AT YA WITH A BOOMER THAT CAN'T WORK HER CHARGER, AFTER THIS WORD FROM OUR SPONSOR!!
Except for the hand in your face ending
@@markunwin2313 Keep your face at least a foot from your monitor next time ;)
The charging issue will catch up. The lady in your story has no business driving an electric car unless/until she understands the basics of charging. Can’t tell you how many people i see these days that are unable to simply change a flat tire. Personal responsibility actually comes in handy, more people should familiarize themselves with the concept. Or as Forrest Gump says, “stupid is as stupid does.”
There is a book called, "The Design of Everyday Things." It essentially points out that many engineers don't design things with the end user in mind and of those that do, they don't know how. What usually determines how quickly a new technology becomes mainstream is how quickly those who know how to figure how to use it *_AND_* how to explain it simply to others start adopting the tech and providing feedback to the creator of said tech.
as a engineer i can tell you why:
because its not your job and no one cares if you care.
i am always asking for usability help and no one bothers.
so i shit something that works well with bad usability, get my money and move on.
realy annoying
Great book! This is why I think every executive of every company out there that makes automatic faucets for public bathrooms should have nothing but those faucets in their homes.
@@StrixyN 100% lmao
If you have Marketing Product Managers in place, this doesn't happen.
@@bartsimpson1597 Yes it does. I'm in marketing. Most departments are filled to the brim with idiots.
Imagine if the hose at a gas station sprung a leak. They would instantly fix it before it became an issue. With these chargers they just let them sit broken forever before anyone even attempts to fix it.
And bad electrical connection means a real fire hazard, even more on those high voltage chargers
Yep. Took multiple emails to ChargePoint to get 1 I occasionally use to be fixed.
And the vandalism is a thing - a lot of bitter people defacing them.
Tho the hose is a simpler fix, this is a good point. Solution may be to have the charging stations manned instead of unmanned. Management by people that have an investment in the station. But are they getting enough clients for the cost to benefit ratio
@@platinum2t6 You mean robots not "manned" right? lol
@@zazudeguru he’s a Democrat. They’d want them paid $40/hr, full benefits and a union so they could FO and never get fired. Oh, and then charging would be more expensive than gas. 🤣
This should've been for the main channel. The infrastructure around charging stations is something that really needs to be discussed in depth.
I agree, EV makers are glad to take your money for their vehicles, and let the consumer deal with the charging grid issues. But would love an in-depth video about the issues with the existing USA power grid problems.
@Jimmy Two Times did you just really really want to type something but couldn't think of anything good lol
@Jimmy Two Times you asked a question, so I guess the "counterpoint" would be the answer. The answer is no, they do not also do that with gas stations. Gas pump interfaces are standardized and open. Having to recite basic facts is sad and tiresome, so please in the future be kind to others by saying interesting things.
@Jimmy Two Times if they were responsible people who cared about humans, they would spend at least 4 nanoseconds putting forth the effort to cooperate on useful standards.
@@KarimTemple i understood his point. You are being obnoxious. Get out more.
So I work in a Volkswagen dealership and I’m in charge of the delivery. When I deliver an ID.4, I literally have to put in double the time to explain to older people how this whole charging thing works, it’s a nightmare for them to learn to work with the apps and everything needed to charge the car when they are not home. I get many calls from them after the delivery for questions around the charging process. I can totally relate to your thoughts on this
Greetings from Costa Rica! The charging infrastructure is very good here. Costa Rica is a small country but is famous for giving a lot of emphasis to ecology and green technologies. We even have locations where you can charge for Free! I bought an EV recently and everything has been fine. I guess outside the main city, the experience is different, but so far it has been great. Also, most of the electricity that we produce here is from renewable sources like hydroelectric plants, so you are sure that it is truly clean energy.
I just had my wedding in Costa rica! I was shocked to see ev chargers all over the place. I was so curious to the speed of charging and the types of use cases people use evs for there since it felt like they were spaced just far enough apart that if they wernt a super charger you would be sitting there for and hour or two between stops. It felt like I saw one every 50 minutes of travel. Do you think it's possible to have a ev and live outside of the main cities?
clean huh. where are your batteries from? where do they go when you are done?
Recycle @@JT-hr9gw
This is spot on. Most of my family members would have one issue with charging electric car and never do it again until there were zero gas cars.
No issues with Tesla charging here
Waiting for regulated chargers similar to the type c standard
This is my dad, 10000%.
@@johnliu1176 Tesla is easier as long as you're using Superchargers. It's confusing beyond that for many.
There will always gas cars electric catching fire can't put taking 8000 gallons to put out then catching fire later again in the tow yards.
Having to bend the cable in the perfect way so that your car chargers just like I had to do with my old phone charger is just hilarious.
Lol that’s I was thinking
Same here, I got really frustrated and bought a new cable
Lawl... I read your comment before seeing the footage, and the footage was far worse... Ghetto as f.... Rofl.
Never in all of my life have I heard of that happening to a petrol pump.
"Assume the Fox viewing position."
One of the best videos from this channel. This is real stuff. I am an Ioniq 6 owner and I'm slowly figuring out the local chargers just work around 50% of the time. Sometimes charging handles are cracked, tiny things like switches are broken or loose. Sometimes the chargers are out of sufficient juice or are in conservation mode. Yeah we definitely need routine maintenance for public chargers that's for sure.
Best statement I heard before buying my EV is,
“EV’s are for homeowners”
Don’t buy one if you can’t charge it at home!
Correct thanks for the government and company's stop making petrol and diesel cars in the future you only be able to own older cars the car companies who made ice vehicles don't care now hope some companies go out of business serve them right
This happened to my father in 2021. He leased a Polestar, and he loved it to bits, he was always excited to take me for a ride or show it off to his friends. He drove it all the time around the city, but he's also the type of person who loves doing 1 day road trips, driving 200 miles in a day sometimes. Obviously he had planned for charging along the way, but 9 times out of 10 a charger was broken, or the charging speed was horribly slow. And after 2 months he got fed up with the thing. Even though he loved it so much, he ended up rolling over the lease to a gas Volvo...
200 miles in a day is a lot? Lol, that's a short trip in the Midwest US
That's unfortunate. I find Polestar's infotainment is one of the better ones out there (I've never driven a Tesla, but I understand that it's probably the best when it comes to navigation). If he couldn't figure out charging with built-in navigation and calculating the best charger to go to, it's probably still too complicated, or the charging networks still suck.
@@itsme123669 right lol i do a 700 mile trip twice a year from Cincinnati to conneticut while only stopping for gas
He just wasn't ready for them yet, the electronic world is a bit hard to grasp if your not savvy with it. Maybe he should have charged at home when he's asleep. Like most EV owners do.
@@waynelevett3632
Did you even read the post? He did figure out what to do, but the chargers were broken or slow, and he can't charge at home on a road trip.
If you think it's unlikely to find so many broken chargers, you are wrong. Unfortunately that's the reality in the US, unless you drive a Tesla.
As Google Maps is adding more EV features into app, they should add a star rating system for chargers and include that data in route recommendations. The charger manufacturers could also look at that data to help determine which chargers really need something fixed.
just add a type c adapter to a car.
2:57 he just exposed a scammer was charging his car with this lady's charger. Its an age old petrol bowser scam
Tesla and slowly rivian are the only manufacturers with their own charging networks. The rest are owned by third parties and they don’t give a flying fuck.
They dont care....... investors and the government spending our tax dollars are dumping billions into the charging infrastructure with no incentive to maintain it.......just get it built.....tesla is the only one that makes an effort.....im not a big fan of tesla either by the way but i almost never hear of one of their chargers not working
@@janeblogs324 except. it wasnt charging soooo no
Thank you for posting this. My very first charging experience was with a Mercedes loaner vehicle. They didn’t have the cable available for me to just charge it at home and by the time I got home I saw that I was going to need to charge so I went to several charging stations in my area All of which were broken. Having range anxiety with my first encounter of using a fully electric vehicle was not great. I’m 100% with you on your point of the charging infrastructure needs to be fixed to keep up with the amount of electric cars that are currently being sold.
Hello M, Always such good info from you. Enjoyed the Ocean post as well. Thank you. Tucson
It would honestly be so cool if you would do a "State of electric vehicle charging infrastructure" (working title) video once a year just to provide some historic context as to how the infrastructure is progressing over the year. The video probably wouldn't do that great, but I still think it would be cool.
I would watch that.
out of spec reviews has a video just out as he had a twitter pole going on peoples charging experience and this video is the results.
If you're interested in retrocomputing, you've probably heard of the 8-Bit Guy. He also occasionally does videos about electric vehicles and he did something very much like what you described about three years ago. czcams.com/video/TcoLCTkM0ys/video.html
Good idea!
@Zaydan Alfariz That's unfortunately true.
I think this is one of those points that deserves a main channel video that not a lot of people would consider at a first glance and how the charging experience is similar to how phones used to charge with a billion different connectors, some that were really finicky and some that needed adapters to work with other phones
The connectors aren't really the issue. It's no different than the apple (lightning connector) and literally everyone else (usb-c). You have one player, Tesla, with tons of share doing their own thing (NACS) and literally the rest of market using the CCS plug. Even Teslas in Europe use CCS2! The real issue is availability, reliability, and capacity. The chargers really aren't where you need them, or they're the wrong ones (level 2 when you're in the middle of nowhere and it should be DCFC), or if they are there they aren't working and if they are working they're being used. When comparing to gas stations - an infrastructure that has been cumulatively building over the last 90 years, EV charging has a lot of ground to makeup, very quickly. The Inflation Reduction Act and NEVI funding were designed to help, but right now the financial incentives are for automakers to sell cars and for no one to build chargers. We really need to build like 20% of the gas station infrastructure that we've built in the last 90 years in about 2 years to make EV charging as easy as plentiful as gasoline refueling.
@illusive destroyer But you could USE your phone while it charges, And if you weren’t happy with the charger you could buy another for 10 bucks, worst case you could buy another phone for 500 or borrow the person’s standing next to you, and neither of those two situation‘s really left you and your family stranded over something you paid over 50k for. Not to mention it’s a lot easier for a manufacturer to create and pump out 1 million new five dollar cables versus building and installing 1 million more superchargers in the city. No your little lightning cable versus USB-C incompatibility is not even close to being the same thing dude.
That's the main reason I got the Volvo xc60 recharge (plug in hybrid). It has a small range (about 60 km) but I can easily charge from my 110v garages outlet. I commute no more than 30 km daily and if I ever run out of battery, I still have a 2.0 l turbo ICE that can take me anywhere. Until the charging infrastructure is reliable, I will not fully adopt EVs.
Thank you for this. I don't have an ev. But, I would like one. It's just nice to hear about you helping someone who doesn't know how to make the charing work. I've seen so many videos on bad charging stations I keep wondering how less knowledgeable people will cope with these janky charging stations. This message has got to be aired louder so that these charging station companie and the ev manufacturers will become more concerned with customer friendly equipment. It would be cool if someone started an ev charging company that actually offered full service charging for the newbs because this would help troubleshoot when the charges aren't working.
The finicky charging where you need to twist the cable really reminds me of the time when everyone had wired headphones and at some point the sound cuts, so you start twisting the wire around your phone to find a working “angle”.
Let’s hope soon there will be a solution!
I have the same problem with an air compressor from Harbor Freight. The cord is produced by the cheapest possible manufacturer, and depending how you twist it, will lose electrical contact internally. It's too frustrating. Just make them properly, please.
@@nowake Yes, and replaceable. Like, connectors on the device's end please. There's SEVERAL standards that allow locking ones, waterproof or whatnot (heck there's connectors for stage lighting that can resist 155°c). The cable will eventually break even if it's better quality, but at least this way it's simple for anyone to replace it.
Not to mention fixed cables make transporting the device an annoyance.
Somewhere in europe they have wireless charging that as efficient as wired charger... It can solve a lot of things...
Bluetooth charging 😮
That just means there is a short in the cord
i’ve had the same experience with non-tesla chargers and like 70% of the time it’s such a convoluted process. they gotta fix the charging infrastructure asap!!
Who? Who has to change the charging infrastructure? That’s the problem.
@@MattiaMonticelli regulation, make plug n play (or something close to it) mandatory and roaming between providers mandatory at a fair price. the industry will then figure out the best solution.
@@MattiaMonticelli governments have standardized tons of things. building codes so everyones doesn't use random fucking parts for homes, internet standard protocols, etc. it's a matter of time like everything else when the problems arise that standardization will be pushed by government bodies.
@@TK-gd9td
We´re talking about global standards, concerning a multi-billion-international-industry. It took 50 years to apply standards to electrical systems worldwide, and that was back in the days when things developed much, much less rapid. Forget about governments setting standards which also would take away the possibillity of development and technological advance in the field of charging, as it would cement a certain...well...standard and keep it from changing. The only possible transition from petrol to electric cars is a disruptive one, locking out a big part of our population from individual mobility. Unfortunatelly this probably is what to do, considering global warming and it´s devastating effects on people all around the globe.
@@gerokron3412 I know this is gonna bounce like a football from a wall for all in this thread......but ill give it a go.
How about thinking less selfish and a bit out of the box. Forget about global warming and do it for practical reasons? A car, used or new starts at 300-400 bucks a month....... (purchase price, taxes, inssurance, repairs, fuel). It's 25-33% of my monthly salary. That's more than i pay for my mortgage of a 90m2 apartment. I'm the one that represents 80% of the population. There's nothing more i would like than good public transport and tell car sellers to shove their new car up their ass.
For half the price that 80% population bracket pay for a car, would be more than enough to have not good, but excelent public transportation and maintained in mint condition. Im talking a bus every 5 minutes, and at rush hour every 3min.
As a secondary effect you drastically reduce traffic for every1, and would you look at that!!!!, emissions and global warming too.
And those situations 4-5 times a year, i pay 50 bucks a day and rent a car or a van, or anything i need.
But hey..... why do that, when we can have shitty and convoluted individual mediums that cost an arm and a leg......
Great comments and no question, this is 100% correct. As an aside, the video on the Galaxy S23 Ultra is really good (thought you were using an iPhone). Keep up the great work
I was on a weekend ski trip with my brother. While everybody was enjoying themselves in the evening, my brother was glued to his phone obsessing over the range degradation of his Model S and having to recalculate his route home. He had to wake up at 4:00am and race to the one available working charger before the next guy or he would’ve had his day ruined. Another thing to consider is road trips with high needs/autistic children. My buddy’s regular 6 hour drive (1 gas stop) to see his parents required an additional 4 hours and tons of range anxiety when he went electric. His young kids had meltdowns and he was super stressed! I’m a sit this one out until my friends stop obsessing about their EVs, then I’ll know they’ve become mainstream appliances. 😕
What's the 6 hr drive with 1 gas stop?
That doesn't add up. A 6 hr drive at 65 miles an hour is 390 miles. Several EVs can go that far on a single charge. Perhaps a 30-45 min stop for recharging at most. Not sure about how it comes out to an additional 4 hrs
I just bought a Tesla Model Y. I’m in my 70s and I live in the Palm Springs area with many others born long ago. the problems you describe are not just a generational thing. Lots of people my age have Teslas and other EVs. But every single one of my peers I talked to knows about the chaos of non-Tesla charging. All of us have the wherewithal to install level 2 chargers at home. And, we all have time to deal with the problems of charging. My children (who are in their 20s-40s) see EVs as being too much of a hassle due to the charging issues. They are short on wherewithal or time or both. As you said, this is killing EVs not because you can’t deal with the problem but because dealing with the overhead of charging is simply not worth it for busy people.
Thanks for your input
It's like a flagship phone, bruh. You buy the case BEFORE you even buy the phone so you'll have protection on day one. That's where they jack'd up. Infrastructure should have been there FIRST
@@theanonymousone9668 That's ridiculous.
Honestly, that's only a Tesla owner problem. Everyone else is on the same page (with the exception of LEAF owners). Bolt EV, VW Id4, the Mach-E, and everyone else all have the same standard charging plug. Evgo and Chargepoint are now "the standard", the pendulum has swung, Tesla lost that "monopoly" in my opinion. I have a Bolt EV and have zero problems whatsoever. Between EVgo and Chargepoint, I have never had any issues.
That is a very great point! I would personally say a lot of people I know in my age group (20+) ironically don't want to deal with electric vehicles because of how complicated they find charging it is. P.S. I dont know why I have never seen nor remember the word "wherewithal" in any text I have ever read but thank you for this gem. I am inspired... nay, even determined to use it the next time the opportunity to sound fancy arises!
I used to work for a car charging company in the UK and the whole industry is a mess. Basically a bunch of large companies trying to install as many charge points as possible that will break after about 2 years because the products haven't properly been tested. Our customer service desk was full of people complaining the app didn't work, the charger won't start charging or the charger is stuck in the car.
Crap all crap was told about charger witj in a mile of my home went there to see what was there 1 worked 4 broken will wait to get ev
I find your experience outstanding
Why would companies install as many chargers as they can knowing that they will break soon? That's like deliberately sabotaging your own income stream.
@@vkman34 greed
@vkman34 because they thought they could make a profit before they broke. They also want control of the space, so other companies can't put their chargers in.
That's a good point you make!)
I think it would be good if these issues are highlited more often so that they would be fixed quicker.
We also miss good feedback opportunity to log these issues and be aware when they are fixed
That was the experience my dad had when he rented a Model 3 from Hertz. He couldn't end up charging it and returned it after a day. Very interesting to see a real world example of these frustrations. Also good on you to be so helpful. :) Many people would just ignore these people in trouble, at least here in socal.
When I got my Model 3 I basically gave my Leaf to my mom for an about town car. She loves it and wants to take it to further away places but it's at the edge of her round trip range. She asked where she can charge up but I told her seriously don't even try. She is VERY technology challenged and just getting her to download and install plugshare was an experience I never want to repeat. Trying to get her to open and keep track of accounts for the various charge networks (let alone at her age just not losing the cards/fobs) is basically impossible. I know most people over 50 will just never bother. My dad wouldn't use a microwave for 20 years because it was too intimidating. Yeah there are people like that.
I’m turning 53 tomorrow. I consider myself somewhat tech savvy all my life and even then I won’t get an EV until I have no choice. Watching these kinds of videos of the problems and issues of EVs have completely turned me off of them. I hope that changes someday but meanwhile there are too many ICE vehicles that I want to own before I go electric.
Most car owners, aren't 'car people.'
I used to work at a car rental company. A lot of people totally feel out of place in an unfamiliar vehicle and only really know their own vehicle. . . It becomes significantly worse for those who've been driving the same Oldsmobile for the last two or three decades and who haven't sat in the driver seat of a modern vehicle before.
People eventually reach a point of getting tired of having to learn new stuff, especially if it's something you've gone through most of your life never previously needing to know, and you're not even sure why you have to learn it now. . .
I've had elderly people sit in a new rental car, and genuinely start having a panic attack, or flat out refuse to take the vehicle because it was so alien to them that they didn't think they could learn to drive it. . .
And these were gas powered cars. Add the extra discomfort of having to learn an entirely new system for 'refueling', and you can bet it'll be a hard pass for some.
@@d05wtt
New things require learning new stuff, why not try to understand something new so that you can improve?
My Dad is over 70 years and has a lot of problems with tech... but electric cars is awesome for him because he charges at home and he is afraid to drive long distances so everything is within range and he avoids the gas station hassle, he just plugs the car and thats it. Not for everyone.
@@adriannoguez1941 So... he gets around the problems with the charging network... by not using it.
I'm one of those rare EV owners that has zero ability to charge at home. I rely 100 percent on public chargers. This video is really important and I agree 100 percent.
Why get electric car if you can’t charge? No gas station on your island you live on? Sht
@@BAFiusRUS I just fell in love with the way it drives 😂
This, but the other way around. For me, I always charge at home and have a bigger car for road trips so I am much less impacted than many others, but even for me, I agree that this is an important and not much discussed issue.
I don't think your situation is that rare.
@@jimv1983 Yeah, for example company cars as a benefit but no option to fit a charging station at home, i.e. due to your landlord or because it doesn't pay off to install one for that purpose.
I completely agree with you Marques. We recently bought an EV for work and I have to admit, I've found the charging thing to quite confusing. I like to thing I'm across "technology", but the last few weeks has seen a LOT of catching up on this industry on my behalf.
I'm interested in an EV and learning about how they work, and what's available. The lack of charging stations and information about charging is one thing that deters me right now. I don't want a hassle in a car. Thank you for this insight! I also love how the most replay part of the video is of the huge bird!
Thank you for taking the time to talk about this issue. For the record, I would really appreciate it if you dive deep into all the "boring" aspects of electric car ownership. Charging, maintenance, buying versus leasing, app locked features, etc. Really anything and everything that's outside the norm for those of us used to traditional vehicles.
The charging infrastructure is becoming a huge talking point by a lot of youtubers. I realized this after owning Tesla’s for years and then got a Bolt for daily commuting. I tried to roadtrip my Bolt less than 500kms and it was not enjoyable. I really can only suggest one brand to friends.
Yeah tesla or bust if you want to leave town
@@adam33555 Myopic
Meanwhile our tax dollars are flushed down the toilet creating more garbage chargers to retard EV adoption.
@@adam33555 or BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, Kia, Hyundai... This really depends on where you live
@@XLoaferY , No. Until all those other brands can use all of Tesla’s charging stations or directly match it with their own Tesla is the only real option. Specially since Tesla’s can also use all other public charging options along with their own robust and convenient charging network. You cannot possibly fully understand this advantage if you’ve never owned a Tesla.
Great video. Glad this was all covered. There's a lot of infrastructure questions unanswered while most car manufacturers are going all in on electronic car production
I once worked at an inn with two Tesla charging stations. One of them worked, the other was intermittent. The numerous calls to Tesla to replace this faulty charger fell on 'deaf ears.' As time progressed I would be faced with people who in one case, purchased a new Jaguar in Boston and drove north to Maine for the weekend. The inn offered free charging for electric cars. Of course, the Jaguar and the first generation Tesla chargers were not compatible. The folks who purchased the Jaguar had no idea on how to charge their car, or what was required to adapt their car to a Tesla charger. I was responsible to ensure, we always had a universal adapter, and could provide charging for any electric car that arrived at the inn. I found that the disconnect between what people were purchasing and how to use it was huge, and expectation on the part of the purchasers to be that of a gasoline filling station mentality. There needs to be a greater emphasis on training purchasers (on the part of car dealerships). Folks with money, buy electric cars, and expect everyone else to service their needs. Not a good scenario for the future of electric cars. BTW: In the period of two years, Tesla never responded to our requests for a replacement charger.
Absolutely spot on. I have pulled up to an "Electrify America" charging station that showed all 4 chargers available and none worked. People had put sticky notes on it to say "Don't work". Or you pull up to a charging station and when you go to plug in, the screen comes out of hibernation to say the charger is unavailable. It is frustrating, especially when you plan a longer trip and chargers show as available but really are not. My EV is just for around town now since my home charger runs off solar and is dependable vs the public chargers. For longer trips I just use the old fashion gas car since that infrastructure is solid.
Gas cars are still "in fashion" for most people lol
I don't have an EV but it sounds like the people who manage the charging stations also manage the air pumps at gas stations - half of them never work.
You can bring gas to a car but you can't walk carry electricity to an EV 😜
@@kayc7442I can though. 🔋
Great tips !!!
You video made it to Yahoo!'s front page. Let's go!!!!!!!
The multi-charging station/adapter thing reminds me of the Blu-Ray and HDDVD era and the BetaMax and VHS era. Companies need to get their $hit together and start working together instead of competing against each other.
I am in South Broward County, Fl (Ft Lauderdale area).
I have been in this same experience; The charging infrastructure is bad.
The charge point chargers at Walmart are frequently broken and busy. Several times I had to travel across town to charge.
I tried helping people; several who had rentals took their cars back and others were just disgusted.
I installed my own at home and dread traveling because of the issues.😢
I've driven 100% electric for 6 years now and this is the biggest thing holding back adoption. When I had a Leaf I had 10 different apps on my phone for different charging networks, half the chargers were broken or had some convoluted way to get them started. Tesla on the other hand you plug the car in, it charges and you leave. That is the way things need to work for things to really take off. The cars are amazing but with charging we're still in the Betamax VS VHS days.
It would help is Tesla ditched their own special connection (like they have in the rest of the world) and then you wouldn't need any connectors. Then it would help if they opened up the American supercharging network (like the rest of the world) so other cars can charge at their locations.
Tesla might be "showing the way" but at the same time they are also making the problem worse for any American non tesla owner.
Fortunately in Europe there is a main standard for fast charging (ccs2 combo) so the majority of ev doesn’t need any adapter (also tesla here use ccs2 combo). In addition to this at least in Italy all the major charging network/provider (aside for Tesla supercharger) are interoperable so you can use one app to operate 99% of public chargers and even buy kwh with a subscription just like with mobile phone provider to reduce to half or less the price of electricity
@@mintvilla2956 All the auto maker can adopt the Tesla's standard without paying any royalty but for some F'up reason, none of them do it.
@@mintvilla2956 It would help if you just bought a tesla
@@JetBen555 too late for that … the world has gone CCS
This is 100% right. Imagine if each manufacturer needed a different gas nozzle.
@AutoFocus - can you make a video about the current state of Tesla SuperCharging in the NYC Metro area? I use to supercharge in the mornings where there were many unoccupied stalls - and now theres always a wait for supercharging no matter what time I go. I find that its mostly Uber/Lyft Drivers occupying the stalls at all hours. If you look at the Charging stations in queens like JFK, Queens Center Mall, Glendale, you'll notice that its now fully occupied at all hours with waits being 25+ minutes at some locations. With the winter cold, the charging speeds decrease and therefore adds further delays and additional waiting. None of these stalls have the magic dock, if it's currently only serving Teslas - imagine how much busier it would be when other cars move over the NACS standard.
I went away to a popular holiday area in the UK last summer. I did my research and in the local area / town there were 3 rapid chargers. Whilst we were there we needed to top up the car and found all three rapid chargers out of order, according to the associated app comments, it had been out of order for 18 months! We eventually found a 22kw charger at a hotel that we were able to use. We only saw one other EV whilst we were there, which says it all. This was in North Devon, England in the Bideford area.
As a 3-year Bolt lessee, I can completely relate to everything you said. Every few months I make the same 700-mile round-trip to see family, and after two years I thought I knew where the good charging stations were and which ones would give me trouble. However, the last two trips I've spent more than two hours each way dealing with faulty chargers at what had previously been trustworthy stations. My conclusion is that the supply of functioning chargers has in no way kept up with the demand, putting more strain on what's already built. On top of that, when I take the Bolt somewhere I haven't been before, it's always a learning experience figuring out where the good charging spots are at my destination. Usually there aren't many, and many of the ones that do exist only have Tesla plugs. Which is why whenever interested ICE drivers ask me about my ownership experience, I always recommend that they buy a Tesla if they plan on road-tripping. The charging situation for everything else at this point is iffy at best, and dreadful at worst.
Thank you, this is a useful critique.
As a current bolt owner I completely agree! I started driving more since my girlfriend moved and drove more and started figuring out the charging spots. There’s a walmart in front of where she lives and it had an EVgo, a few months ago they took it off for some reason and it’s really helpful since there isn’t a supercharger for another 12 miles. I had to find another DC and became frustrating. I still love my bolt but I don’t reccomend an electric car for road trip which is why I have a gas car on the side for further distances👍🏻
Good read. Now i know why i should hold on to my gasoline car until Aptera releases their SEV.
@@2fresh28 same issue. I went with a Tesla and the issues stopped. The payment sure as hell went up though 🤦🏻♂️. Loved that bolt though!
Well now you can stop recommending Tesla as well since they still have the same unreliable charger issue as evidenced by this video.
MKBHD has really grown into a remarkable well balanced voice for the masses.
Tesla not converting to the industry standard is and will continue to be an even greater problem. Yes there was reason originally, but to not convert over now is simply stubbornness.
@@brettsherman7810 CCS1 is awkward and flawed.
I still remembered when he kept saying the retro nintendo console Virtual Boy was augmented reality, and couldn’t pronounce Nvidia right.
@@brettsherman7810 They changed to the standard in Europe (the standard that got designed by german manufacturers after Teslas standard).
But the real problem is something else. Don’t blame the only company that is doing something. Blame the ones that do nothing. All the other manufacturers put close to zero dollar in the charging infrastructure. VW was forced to build Electrify America and the rest is payed by the tax payer.
Only Tesla is using their own money to make E-Mobility work. But yet people sh*t on them without thinking for a second.
@@Zedus-rl9hp The Tesla charger is superior, but unfortunately they didn’t open it up to other manufacturers so it forced the development of CCS. An inferior universal standard always beats a superior proprietary one.
You are 100% correct. My last 3 rental vehicles were E-cars: Ford MachE,, and the Ionique. My hotel had a single charger that was being used by a Tesla. I got lucky on day 2 and finally found the Ionique adapter which appeared to be working ( I noticed a green flashing light) at least to a person who is totally unfamiliar with the charging process. The next morning, I realized the car had not charged at all. I still don't know what I did wrong. The other 2 times I rented a Ford MachE, they did not supply ANY adapters in the trunk of the vehicle. No charging could be done. Although I have not yet purchased an Evehicle, I am a big fan, and consider myself to be an early adopter. I can understand the frustration and outright anger from people who want this to work. I'm sure this issue was part of the consideration by Hertz selling off a big part of their Tesla fleet - maybe as important as their stated inventory devaluation rationale.
Absolutely true, this is the case in the UK too. We have a growing number of cars but not enough working chargers or spots to charge, if not addressed quickly enough the entire thing could slow sales down in the next few years. Ideally have a fossil car for long range and electric for shorter journeys. The EV situation will improve as time goes by but realistically we are looking at another 5-10 years at least before things start improving.
Completely agree. As an engineer I don't mind the little annoyances until they pile up, but for the average person even one bad experience trying to charge is enough to calcify someone against EVs because they're just not ready yet for mainstream
Your just not busy enough yet. There comes a point where you cant afford the bs.
I love it that you and Stradman are bringing attention to this issue at the same time. That's definitely the next big obstacle for EVs to get to mass adoption.
The entire country of Canada has around 150 Tesla superchargers. If you don’t own a house with a charger at home, you probably don’t own a tesla because the logistics are ridiculous.
Ever heard of Out of Spec Reviews? Stradman just jumped on the bandwagon.
@@KyleHubb no i have not
Nah. Have you seen how cobalt is mined. They used kids to mine that toxic shit. There are many issues with EVs that need to be solved before a mass switch over from fossil fuels.
they have been the biggest problem with electric the whole time though
Well, after my first time commenting on one of your other videos, where you helped the guy in the other truck, CZcams is offering your videos to me now. 👍 Yes, I definitely subscribed. The problem in the cable that you showed was broken wires inside. One problem I am seeing in various parts of California is, people driving gas powered cars are parking in electric vehicle charging stations because they are closer to the store. Police are not doing anything about it. There are no signs posted for fines like you would see for Handicapped parking slots.
i just got my tesla and admit there is a bit of a learning curve. i live in an apartment building and luckily the parking garage is equipped with charge point stations. it took a couple of hours of just figuring it out and setting it up. going to the floor with the chargers, i knew to use the adapter, but the tap to pay wasn't working unless i set up an account on my phone and request access since it was considered a private property charger. so a lot more hassle than just plug and play or pumping gas. but once i learned all that, i got used to it and i can adjust my lifestyle around it.
this is relatively new transportation technology so i think it makes sense things are catching up. i compare it to when i first had to learn to pump gas, it was a bit daunting at first but do it a couple times and you get the hang of it like second nature. charging EV's will get there, eventually.
It still shocks me here in New Zealand. The goverment is offering thousands of dollars worth of rebates on electric cars but in most towns you could count on two hands how many chargers there are that are publicly available. Although basically every single town has at least one or two chargers. There is way more gas stations than there is even singular charging ports. We are seriously lacking behind...
And for most people as you said, its just too hard to learn all the new ways of charging. Electric cars need to be for the consumer not the prosumer. NORMAL everyday people need to be able to use the chargers without having to read hundred pages of how tos or even wathc a video. Gas is easy, shove the filler in the hole. Once it stops your done. It needs to be that easy.
As a New Zealander I'm concerned that Japan seems to be going down a different charging infrastructure path than we are...
You don't need a charger in town. You need them between towns. and at apartment complexes I guess.
@@germanhatchback With gas you shove the filler in the hole, pick from 1 of 4 gasoline types and you better now screw up with diesel! Then you have to credit card, zip code, etc, deny the car wash. With a Tesla supercharger you just shove it in the hole and walk away.
@@JackMott Firstly, diesel is CLEARLY marked green and the nozzle is quite far away from the gasoline nozzle. Secondly, pressing the gas type takes fractions of a second. Thirdly, pushing a zip code or pin is quite easy and quick. Pay cash if it's too much for you. And lastly and MOST IMPORTANTLY, it's the same process to fuel up ANY CONSUMER CAR, unlike EV's (Tesla vs everything else) Also, only some gas stations have the pump ask if you'll like a car wash. Plenty of one's don't, go there instead
Recommending the lady to just go to the supercharger 5 mins away is definitely the best advice, even if they have to wait in the car for 15mins for it to charge, it would've added more juice than if they had plugged into the chargepoint and shopped in the mall for 2 hours. They are better off supercharging, then coming back and park in a regular spot for shopping.
The simple answer to all of this is only Tesla cars have supercharger access (currently) and don’t even try any other type of charger.
Yeah and unfortunately other manufacturers would rather use the inferior CCS standard (which has the exact same problems as the J1772 in this video) rather than the superior NACS connector
Isnt this just a shortcut to buying new batteries every 5 years? Very green indeed.
Man, you are an ASSET to the community! Great, Great Great info ! Thank you. My Electric car plans are now on HOLD until the charging infrastructure is accounted for. Again, thank you. Kudos.
Thank you for speaking on this! This forever proves my point and goal to educate people, especially people who are unfamiliar with EVs as we make the transition to electric. It’s no fun if the user experience to charge their car is frustrating.
This genuinely ruffled my feathers. I know the frustration of trying to explain technology to my parents. And I know the pain Marques went through.
You must have been the person at 6:36
When ur iPhone Cable is scuffed
Car charger*
The strange thing I’ve noticed is that most people aren’t tech savvy-yes, even the ones who grow up with it. They just know how to use the apps they use daily. It doesn’t even matter if devs try to make the experience friendly for regular people because they barely even read the messages on the screen they just want to click away to the thing they want to do on the device
I'm 60. I dread the day that I will not be able to follow up technologically wise.
Agree 100%. The service is very important. Funny story, 50 year old me joined Sam's club today. After tinkering with the app for a bit I felt I had a handle on it. Went to the store scanned and added a few items to my cart then paid in the app allowing me to bypass all the miserable lines. Honestly it was the best experience I ever had shopping in a store. But I still can't see my parents figuring it out.
The scan and go at Sam’s is a game changer. Not standing in those lines Saturday afternoon is amazing.
You are spot on here! I think the reason EV adoption is slowing is because people are having too many problems charging their cars. Not enough locations, too many reliability issues, too many lines, and the need to have endless apps is just too much hassle for most people. Plus when you take a trip, it actually takes a lot of preplanning to avoid issues . I currently have an ioniq5 EV and I love the car, but taking it on a trip is a big pain compared to an ice car. It requires a lot of planning, and then you have to monitor what’s going on, and sometimes adjust your plans as you go. A gas car you just jump in the car, and when it gets down a quarter of a tank or so you get off at the next exit and get more gas. And you’re on your way in 10 minutes or so. My next car might be a hybrid until this mess sorts out better.
What you've described is pretty much the litmus test - not only for EV's but for most products that rely on newer forms of technology: if it doesn't work for Grandma (without significant explanation) then it hasn't been thought out well enough.
It needs to be simple, obvious, and dependable.
You've absolutely nailed it with this one.
The charging infrastructure should be just as important as the car's themselves.
No where near at the moment.
Here's how it should work: Buy car > add your credit card ONCE to the Settings app in your car > approach an electric vehicle charger > get out of car > plug charger into car > car charges the battery and charger charges your credit car. Car and charger handle it all. Each charger should have a phone number and tap to pay system as redundant backup ways to pay for charging.
It is just as important. The one manufacturer who seems to understand this, Tesla, acted accordingly. We just have to wait for the 'competition' to catch up. Competition.. yeah, right. Left up to them there would be almost no EVs worthy of the name today. They had to get scared that they would lose their lunch money in order to do even the little they are doing now. Not to mention those manufacturers still openly in opposition to electric mobility.
The infrastructure is my issue with the changeover to EVs IMO.
@@savedfaves That's the reason the EU made CCS 2 the port you have to use. The next thing is that ISO 15118 (plug and charge) should be required by the EU, which VW is trying to do. In the meantime, it is starting to get implemented. VW wants that you can put a few charging cards in and your credit card. If you plug the car in, it automatically selects the card that charges for the cheapest. Germany forces that charging stations build after July this year need an option to pay with your banking card without making it a lot more expensive.
Plug and Charge should be implemented in a few years, so before the mass adoption of EVs really starts. That the US didn't enforce a common charging connector was a mistake. Either tesla makes their connector truly open source communication included (their port is now kinda open) or CCS should be the standard. Tesla could have pushed in 2014 to make it THE charging connector, including communication. If they had open sourced it, but they did not. What they didn't do. In the EU they had to change every supercharger to CCS and the US would be even more expensive.
Or teslas are going to be the cars that can only charge at superchargers and a few other charging station that think it is worth it to have an extra cable for or you have to use an adapter
No phone number at the EV charger to call for assistance? Don't take advice from a stranger if you can call for assistance.
100% agreed. Add to that that every fuel station has a roof, is brightly lit... at least here in Germany, most of the public charging ports are in the middle of nowhere, no roof, no lights, no snacks, not even a litter bin. You're usually quite a bit away from anything else, fully exposed to the elements...
Thats because in Germany your in the middle of nowhere just driving from place to place. At least anyplace I have been there.
Same here in the states. They’re all in the back of giant parking lots
@@chrish7336 average American generalizing a whole country based on his experience
@@bananajuice3143 Are you saying that driving from city to city you don't drive in the middle of nowhere?
THank you for the geography lesson.
That's exactly how I feel when I need to charge my Zero at a charge point.
Fully agree with this. Just got a Jeep Avenger and while the infrastructure here is good here in Portugal the experience is not great. The Miio app covers most charge stations but when a charger doesn't work it's tough to figure out why. Nobody has tap to pay, it's app or bust which someone borrowing my jeep wouldn't have set up. I love my new Jeep and it's range is good enough to avoid anxiety but the charging experience is way more confusing than it should be.
What blows my mind as a gasoline car driver is that you cannot just pay for charging the way you would do it at a gas station. When I need gas, I don't need a smartphone/app/data to find a gas ststion, I only need to pay cash at the register or debit/credit at the pump, fill up without worrying the nozzle won't fit and refuel. If yiou don't make recharging the same way as a gasoline car, you will deter people from buying an EV. You shouldn't need a smartphone/app/data to recharge either. This is exactly why I have no desire to own one at this time.
I work as a product designer for a company that creates both hardware & software solutions in the EV charging space - This is such an incredibly important video. We’re working day and night on figuring out how to support our App users through the physical and software constraints in the industry - but the fact is that it’s all going to take some to figure itself out. Gas industry has had decades of testing and trials to a point now that we don’t think twice about getting gas.
Good design is invisible!
But we’re at it, I promise you that! Thanks again Marques!
Thank you
I'm curious, Rhea. If we can pay for gas, food, bar tabs, etc. by simply swiping a card, why can't that be done with EV chargers? (Especially just copying the gas model). We don't need apps, RFID, or any of that. I see it as over-engineering, or just trying to unnecessarily force people to download and use apps so that the company can make money off them later or prop up their # of app users. Where am I wrong? (I must be or someone would already be doing what I'm saying.)
Your first issue is starting with an app. Why should the user need a smartphone to interact with your charger? Gas industry just focussed on getting liquid into the car. Initially handled by a service station attendant and then later by self serve. No apps or other things needed, just roll up put the filler in, fill up and then pay. electric should be no less simple. Plug in, fillup and pay.
Or rather old design is what most people have learned long time ago.
@@sammer2587 To put it as simply as possible - the problem is mostly money (credit card fees and terminal fees) but also a huge portion of the problem comes from managing PCI DSS (credit card providers) certification.
It is a pain in the ass, especially when your chargers are slow and you have some minimum cc fee. That is why everyone is trying to engineer their way around it and make money by making larger transaction at once on a website (or otherwise) to not have more than half of the transaction go to fees. With some RFID solution you also don't have to worry about costly cc terminals and the maintenance of them AND the PCI DSS certification.
Would you charge 2$ with 1$ credit card fees OR
Would you charge some account 20$ with 1,20$ in fees and then use the app/rfid/whatever?
Great point. The charging infrastructure here in the UK is not keeping up with the number of electric cars that are now on the road. I have owned mine for just over a year, and I have noticed that the chargers are getting busier and more of them are not working as I found out today when I tried the charge.
If a petrol/gas pump was out of order, it would get repaired pretty quickly, but chargers seem to take a long time to be repaired.
There’s no way the 2030 ice ban is not gonna get delayed.
One of the problems still is that people just move to another and they lost revenue for 1 slow charger. While a pump looses loads of revenue. And will be fixed quicker. Also, we need a simple way to ping the owner to say its out of order. And send that info to other drivers. Nothing worse than your smart car/app sending you to an out of order charger, while it's saying there are free spots
Appreciate you being honest and not avoiding this topic. It’s definitely the biggest limitation to mainstream uptake.
I've been an EV owner now for just under a year and I really have to agree with you MB! I'm so glad that my 2022 Ford F-150 Lariat ER came with a charging dispenser so figuring that out wasn't an issue. Also, when I bought my truck and lived in Central in NJ, there was a large Electrify America location not too far from my house so that I could take advantage of an occasional free charge from EA as well as the initial free charging on the Blue Oval network.
Seriously, that lady's son needs to be admonished for stressing his mom out like that and not making sure she knew where to go and what to do for charging!
My girlfriend works for an electric car leasing company. We had and ID4 to test out and when it came to charge it, we had to go to six (6) separate chargers before we found one that worked, and when we got there, we were right at 1 mile til empty. That experience on its own didn't fully disuade me from buying electric, but it has definitely delayed it until I can own my own house to put a charger in it. Definitely agree that the infrastructure needs the most work.
Get a Tesla and this will never be a thing
fuck that shit lol gas car your just on your way. maybe in 10 years when our government gives a fuck we will have a good system.
@@GOmegaPHD Tesla already solved all of this
And that's an ID4 which only works half the time. 😄
@@Mrbfgray Nah Chattanooga built ID4 work fine.
That charging cable bending to make it work really sounds like old phones with wonky chargers, or stuff we would have to do to properly get an electric guitar plugged into an amp to get the sound right. Totally relatable.
Reminds me of the days when most phones had micro usb ports and as they started to age, you had position the charging plug in some strange angle to get it to work.
If electric cars have this problem too then we might as well be better off with gas cars for a while.
Hi! Thanks for the helpful video. I also have an s23 ultra, and I love it. The video and sound both seemed good. God bless.
Ditto! I have a 2022 model S convertible. Yes, I had it converted into a convertible. I was traveling and stopped at an Electrify America charging station. I tried two different chargers and could not get my Tesla to charge. Consumer reports did a recent article on electric chargers in the US and they reported that 27% of the chargers they tested were out of order. Adopting the NACS standard will make the experience far better but not if the maintenance percentage is 73% of them working. I cringe each time I have to use any other charger other than a supercharger. I have never had a Tesla supercharger not work. I have 12 Wallbox chargers at my office. They work but they were a little finicky at first and I had to learn the exact plug-in order and procedure. It was not as straightforward as my home charger or a supercharger because we keep the chargers locked because they are not for general public use. You are absolutely correct that unless the infrastructure is improved, EV adoption will slow down.
100% spot on. 🎉 I have loved my EVs but, as an engineer, I can handle these issues. But buyers shouldn’t need tech support to do something this basic. Not ready for prime time!
@@jeremy-b honestly I love mine and wouldn't trade it in for any other type of car. But they are hitting mainstream and the charging infrastructure for anything other than Tesla is atrocious and confusing.
As someone about to get their first EV I would LOVE for you to start doing reviews of charging networks on AutoFocus. Bringing more focus on the different networks - and ranking them competitively - is the only way to get to improvements.
Don’t.
If its in the budget get a Tesla, alternatively if you can charge at home over night do that instead
This issue WILL piss you off lol
W Tesla these issues are essentially gone
Electrify America, then EVgo. ChargePoint stations are typically owned by the property owner, so it's completely subject to the individual owner's level of maintenance. My personal experience is that they tend to work, but I've read lots of horror stories. That said, ChargePoint is creating a new hardware maintenance program for property owners to help improvie reliability, but I don't know how long before that shows.
That was a very interesting video. I wonder how much of this also comes down to the differences between countries. I can't say I ever saw or heard anyone ever complain about chargers not working in the Netherlands. Then again we do pay a lot of taxes (which is good) and these kinds of things tend to be fixed quite quickly. Nevertheless there are definitely barriers here to overcome. Please make more videos like this.
I think you're absolutely right. The problem is that the entity responsible for the design of the charging interface, i.e CCS, stopped at the electrical and mechanical technical specs. In the middle of the road. Nothing was done to standardized the service. If we take the example of an ATM, any bank or credit card can be used to obtain cash in all ATMs. It should be the same for a charger. One "card" should gives you transparently access to all chargers whatever the service company or charging network is behind.
This is a big issue and you are right, the best advice one can give to a newbie willing to buy an EV is, buy a car which has a privileged access to a good charging network.
THANK YOU! It warms my heart and soothes my soul to hear someone younger than me admit this. I consider myself a highly Tech proficient 65 yr old, and I have given up trying to plan on charging anywhere else but home. After owning a plug-in hybrid for about a year, I drive it in HEV most of the time. As much as I love driving in electric, I can’t recommend anyone get an all electric car for now or the near future. There are so many ways that I would have to change my life to accommodate the car and when you get to a certain age you realize that every minute is precious and I do not have the time or energy accommodate shabby engineering. I honestly feel like ev charging companies are just taking tax dollars and making back room deals to get stations up but don’t care at all if they actually work and rarely maintain them. Politicians talk all day about spending money on infrastructure but unless you enforce a basic standard it will never be mainstream. And I am just not into enriching the richest guy in the world to inflate his already voluminous ego.
Good take!
Two things need to happen for sure…
Better charging infrastructure and maintenance, and lower cost.
Cuz like….. if I am able get a hybrid someday, I don’t want that hybrid nature to be ignored for its entire lifetime usage. I’d want one of those, because the gas powered part would help during the winter, while the electric powered part would help during summer.
Even with how much more green electric cars are, those parts just end up becoming useless in terms of gas powered cars…. Because the infrastructure is bad.
So we either improve everything to do with electric/hybrid cars…. Or make useful and reliable biofuel cars, so the use of normal fuel doesn’t build up and Impact the environment when everyone can afford a car again.
That the truth that all the eco warriors seem to ignore...
Full EV 's are not practical for mass usage just yet.
It's all marketing scam at this point.
Owning a tesla is like driving a cell phone.
Owning & driving a car shouldn't be so complicated. All that tech is too complicated for simply driving a car & using basic features.
@@marvin4827
Its very much not complicated
I only charge my car at my house, mostly because I never take it any farther than I need to to be able to do that, so I've never even tried to charge it at a charging station. Even though I've had the opportunity to do so, I didn't do it simply because I didn't want to have to screw with accounts and all that other BS, so I can totally see why someone would be totally turned off by an experience like that.
Yup..: that’s why I drive a twin turbo V8 😊
I want an electric car but I would never buy one unless i had a garage to charge it in or at the very least a spot at work.
I think home charging is part of the problem. At lot of people simply don't even see the problems or at least don't experience them often.
Most regular people, at least around here, barely ever drive further than a full charge will allow. In fact, they often love it. They say "oh yea no more trips to the gas station, I just come home and plug it in".
I honestly just fear the home charging will cause there to be a relatively low amount of public chargers, which usually doesn't even have to be a problem as obviously there is supply and demand, but I can't help but imagine massive wait times at chargers during the holidays or something when there are suddenly a lot more people who want to travel further.
Do you not take your car on trips?
This is literally killing the electric car industry. I have had an electric car for a year now and regret it; no charger of my own, rely on public charging and I’d say 75% of chargers are broken or not working properly. Each charger works differently, no standardization. It’s a nightmare. I’ll never go all electric again.
I had a similar experience today. A person had rented at Tesla and pulled up to a Level 3 Electrified America charger and he was completely lost. Unfortunately the car didn’t have any adapters. There is an educational part portion that comes with EVs and dealerships and rental services are doing a disservice to the industry by not giving a tutorial on charging etiquette, how-to, common issues.
THANK YOU! This is the topic everyone should be talking about.
We rented an electric car in France. When we picked up the car it only had a 50% charge. The first charger we found was broken. Before long we were limping from one slow charger to the next trying to figure out how to get each network to respond. After the first day, we had it down, but it was a bit stressful.
Fast forward. Now we have a Lightning, and I find that I’m often fussing with the chargers. Ironically I was finishing up at a ChargePoint station and a Polestar pulled in. The driver flagged me down. Turns out she was from Mexico and had picked up the rental earlier that day. She couldn’t get the app to work and had been thwarted at another location. She was at 10% and had about 200 miles ahead of her that day. She offered to pay me cash and use my account. I was happy to help, but also worried about her travels in the coming days. It’s winter here in Vermont, and getting stranded in a rural road when it’s cold can be dangerous.
I think that manufacturers need to make people watch a video like yours before they sell an EV. The inadequacies of the charging network are significant and I can only imagine how much worse it will be as more and more people get their cars.
Manufacturers need to stop getting cobalt from mines that use child slavery
Why would someone rent an electric car knowing they had to travel 200 miles in one day? That seems dumb.
@@noitallmanaz that's because *they* are dumb. Stupidity is painful full, just not painful full enough.
hold up. you have to connect to your phone to charge? for a technology that is being pushed so hard they sure dont make it easy to use. I don't think I could ever switch honestly, I like simple tech. I drive an old subaru legacy manual 6 speed and it has everything I need and not much of what I don't need, I can even completely turn off traction control when I need to. I really dont want all the fancy stuff you find in new vehicals, there is no electric option for people like me that just want a reliable car without tech shoved in every orifice and there is absolutely a market for it. it just needs to stop, go, have heat for the winter and windows that go up and down. I really dont understand why they put so much extra electronics that end up wasting its primary energy source, seems counter productive
@@noitallmanaz funny enough my wifes cousin has his car at the shop for repair and booked a similar style rental vehicle (crossover) from enterprise. when he got there to get his car they said well we are out and all we have to give you is an electric whatever. Mind you he had to drive a distance to the dealership for these repairs and has no transportation out of the rental place he was at. For his driving needs an electric car honestly would have worked BUT he has no charging at his apartment complex, parents house or work. He had to swap it out at another enterprise rental in another city for a gas powered sedan.
TLDR family member got an electric car rental because that's the only option they had.
This has happened to me multiple times at every Mall Charger known to man. You can be going to the mall to buy an entire new wardrobe and still spend more time in the damn parking lot trying to get it to work, only to do the most embarrasing walk of shame into the mall never having gotten it to start even after 47 minutes of messing about.
Shame chargepoint and every other charge station.
Sounds horrible. lol That'd be enough to get me to reconsider my car. I'm the type, I don't have the patience or calmness to deal with that sort of thing. If something as basic as charging a battery becomes a difficult task, I'd just give up on it. I got more important things to worry about and spend my time on.
@@MG-im8ku Exactly, lol. That's why I bought a Tesla and not a different EV. The Tesla superchargers are underappreciated. No apps. It always works. And they are always 150-250kW
@@LuKiSCraft I'm not even sure about those though. My local mall has a row of about 15 tesla superchargers. More than half of them are always broken. lol Walked by so many people in the parking lot yelling at the chargers for not working lol It's gotten to the point where ICE vehicles are parking in the spots of the broken tesla chargers, since no one can use them.
@@MG-im8ku Whoa, really? I have NEVER seen more than 1 stall out of order. And even that only happened once (15 of the 16 were operational). Which supercharger is this?
@@LuKiSCraft Yeah, I always find it ridiculous. Not sure if you meant which model supercharger, not sure. Can check next time I'm at that mall. If you mean where, it's a trendy mall just outside of Toronto. Recently made popular by a video of a guy driving into and through the mall at night to rob a few stores (just happened last week) lol
On vacation this past week in Arizona (Phoenix, Flagstaff) and decided to rent an electric for the experience. (Genesis G80)
This video is spot on about the infrastructure. It is woefully inadequate.
-Finding chargers is a pain. Once you find them, literally 30-50% are out of service for one reason or another.
-Different charging rates 50/150/350 is confusing at first. Obviously I knew there’d be a difference, but 50kWh is useless in public. 150 is tolerable. 350 is really bare minimum and needs to be improved to compete with gas.
-Why are gas stations not adopting electric? I had to find a Walmart or Kroger or a mall to charge in. That’s woefully inadequate.
-As a rental, I didn’t have the at home option so I dedicated probably 4 hours during the week to find, wait for, and use chargers. Such a waste.
-Electric is a lousy option for long trips until the charge time is cut down considerably from where it is today.
It showed me how far we have to go before electric is really ready for the masses. I would never rent one again on vacation, nor would I consider buying one if I did not have my own garage and charger, and also would not want one if I regularly made long trips.
The bigger thing for me is.
Last year during summer in Houston, TX I rented a tesla for a month doing uber and even tho the car said could do 260miles on a fully charge never able to go past 100-150 miles mostly driving in the city (uber) then it would cost me around 20 dollars to charge up because could not charge at home. It was costing more to run the tesla than to run the pickup truck I had at the time...
That is what will drive most people away from electric cars. If you compare an electric car to a hybrid the hybrid makes more sense from a financial perspective and cost of operation.
Hey, Chris here from China. I've been thinking about buying electric for my next car for some time and I have been asking Chinese owners around here, especially concerning Chinese brands such as Geely, Aion and others and this seems to have already been solved by sheer number of chargers per square Km. They might have 10 chargers in 1 mall and then 1 block away they will have another 6 or 8. So even though 2-3 might be broken at the time you go there, you'll have enough charge to get to the next one. Also, if there is one or two that are broken, oftentimes they get reported on the app that they use to charge with and this ends up getting replaced within a week or less. During the Chinese New Year when many Chinese people drive back to their hometown, usually the gas stations are an absolute nightmare and traffic can make you sit in one place for a few hours or more, but this I saw that they had added portable charging busses. Literally mobile chargers that could charge up 4-6 extra cars at a time depending on their size. It seems that they saw the infrastructure was lacking during the holidays and they made sure to have a backup plan which seems to have worked well.
Also, this video might be 8k, but I definitely feel the video quality took a hit when compared to the iphone.
I work on planning for the transmission grid, and you should really do an interview with somebody who works on these issues in your area. They're a lot thornier than most consumers, even enthusiast consumers, believe.
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Sure, engineering is hard. Building computers and operating systems is way complicated too. But his whole point in this video is that the customer shouldn't need to care about that. Fortunately there is good news happening "as we speak". Check his video on the first experience with Tesla chargers being opened up to non-Tesla vehicles. There are some people who know how to make this work.
@@paulmielke7678 Also Biden is ramping up charging infrastructure, hoping to ease the charging problems.
if only you knew if only you knew
Exactly. No one can figure out how to get the power for electric semi charging stations in key parts of the national freight transportation network if it’s in a super rural area.
What I would love to see in the near future is a Tesla/EA, Chargepoint etc. charging station that looks like a gas station and they have about a dozen stations and you plug in and you get 30 mins. Also, I think they need to design the parking spaces for all versions of cars (Rivian's in the front, Lightenings in the front side, teslas's in the rear etc). I had to do parking gymnastics a few weeks ago at a EA rast charger at a Walmart. The car that was parked next to me had to park that way to get to the cable. Maybe there can be a standard that all charging ports be in the front or back on the left side and then the companies can design parking accordingly......off my soapbox!
I think we're reaching a point where "i'm an early adopter" isn't really as much of a valid reason anymore
A big proponent of EVs and I absolutely agree with you..when people mention these charging issues, it’s disheartening! 😞
Yeah it feels like 2 steps forward, 3 steps back, very disheartening
half of ev chargers dont even work they arent going to put more.. Ev is a fantasy and a scam being pushed for control
Easy to enforce with LAW. After all the .gov is making ecars law so wtf is this idiocy. EU has ordered usb3 for all phones so they can do it. We all want to make good deal out of this but turning the business week into a religious trek is just backwards.
I completely agree! Electric chargers are the backbone of EVs and their availability and reliability play a crucial role in the adoption of EVs. Without a proper charging infrastructure, owning an electric car becomes much less convenient. Manufacturers have to start recognizing this and start increasing reliability and reducing complexity. That's one main reason why I'd get a Tesla over other EVs any day, despite the cool features coming out with other brands.
This particularly true if you move away from major metropolitan areas. As far as I am concerned I will stick with either ICE or Hybrid for now.
@@johnpalmer5131 WTF No, as long you live Under 60 Miles of a populate area near charger. Most likely home in low population area have plenty of space to install a private Level 2 charger. Having a private chargers negates the need to use a Public charger for like 60 mile circumference. This is doable because the battery Range on modern EVs are soo good.
I don't think this is much of a manufacturers' problem but a regulation one. We need laws to standardize charging in every way, from ports to paying methods and access. Every single charger should be accessible to any vehicle and driver with just any already existing standard paying method (no registration/account needed). Would anyone accept that some gas stations were only accessible to people that were members of some service or owned a specific car brand?
I ordered Tesla because of their Suprercharger advantage BUT I fear the inevitable -> just wait until more superchargers start charging non-Teslas and more and more EV‘s start bottlenecking even Tesla’s supercharger network since charge point, EA and others are all broken. Tesla network already is getting crowded with teslas lined up in some areas. Try adding non-teslas to that line.
A MASSIVE bottleneck is coming. And what about all the people who will charge at home at night? Eventually, it will be like millions of people attempting to run their high voltage clothes dryers all at night at the same time. TREMENDOUS strain on the grid that America isn’t built for. Can we say rolling blackouts?
I can’t believe more isn’t being done sooner. Remember this post 5 years from now. Or sooner.
Expat living in Shanghai. I’ve done a bit of road trips too and the electric charge network is outstanding. The speed at which the tech and infrastructure gets upgraded is amazing. Two years ago, most chargers were maxed at 90kwh. Now, more and more “public networks” are at 160kwh or higher.
Totally agree! Charging infrastructure is also poor here in the UK. And prices have increased from around 35 p a Kw to 75 p a Kw. I would not advise friends to buy an EV except for local use and only if they can charge at home.
Tom Malogney, also warned that dealer's giving 1 to 3 years free charging as an EV purchase incentive are making matters worse in the US as drivers hog the public chargers and charge to 100% (not 80%) as its free. Even if they can charge at home or work, free juice is cheaper, so everyone suffers as tge network is overloaded. Thanks.
This needs to go on the main channel. It's important and you have the platform that could inspire change
2:57 he just exposed a scammer was charging his car with this lady's charger. Its an age old petrol bowser scam
@@janeblogs324 The purpose of this video is about the ease and reliability of charging.... that's the issue that needs resolution.
@@janeblogs324 scam? or its just broken. lol
I've noticed the exact same thing with the charging posts outside our office. They're the good kind with fast charging but at any given point about half of them actually worked. The worst part is that there's no way of knowing until you plug it in.
We came up with a solution though. We duct tape a big black trash bag over the ones that doesn't work and this makes it very obvious to anyone looking at them. This in turn makes people call the company and they're forced to come out and fix them.
Since we started bagging the posts things have gotten better.
The trick is putting a black trash bag over one that DOES work so you always have one available to use.
@@codycast LOL, you stole my comment! I was going to say that you will start seeing black trash bags on all kinds of working chargers but they won't be broken, they are just being "reserved" for some selfish person.
The combination of this and lower range makes it tough to make the swap from gas to EV. If I’m going to need to recharge regularly for anything more than basic daily driving then I need the confidence in easily found working chargers, just like I know I can find a gas station. This becomes even more important for people living outside major cities and in more rural/small town areas. The EV industry needs to invest in this if they seriously want the general public to adopt their cars.
This is so true. Even with PHEV I'm struggling to charge it most of the time because it either requires proprietary RFID card which I obviously don't have, or a separate account specific for a certain network, requiring an app or whatever, or it just doesn't work for any reason. In the end of the day you just need to carry at least a few charging cards, make sure you have payment methods attached to each, and hope that at some point it will work when you need it.
I would also like to share some experiences from Poland. So I do own a Plug-in Hybrid which is mostly charged at home. I have one app for the charging network in my home town, but whenever I travel to a different city I need to download another app, register, and add payment details to start using it. Basically in every other city there is another charging network to which I need register to and I ended up with 6 different apps to charge my vehicle. Hardware-wise I didn't experience any issues like you, but the fact that I need to register to another company when I'm traveling is kinda annoying
cant you just use plugsurfing? though i agree that payment/apps are idiotic, im not sure why we cannot get card payment reader built-in in the charger itself, like in the gas pumps.
@@xeon2k8 You get that more and more now. The problem is the same as it is with plugsurfing, tho: compared to provider accounts, the prices are OUTRAGEOUS.
I recently saw it at a BP pulse station, since they have to declare the on-demand prices now. Had I charged without an account or with plugsurfing, I would've paid almost 10€ more for my whole charge....just for not having an account with them.
@@Killerpixel11 geee... then situation is more idiotic than what i thought
Reminds me of ATMs for that bank only back in the day, not every bank card
You’re absolutely right.
I’ve been driving an EV for five years now and, while there have been a lot of improvements and growth in infrastructure, there is a long way to go.
There are so many examples of installations half finished for years, installations that breakdown and are not repaired or installations only within expensive parking lots.
The other concern I have is that so many new and planned installations are still level 2 which is useless on a highway trip. It’s fine if you’re planning to stay the night in a hotel, but when you’re on your way across the country and looking for a one hour break where you can recharge, level 2 chargers serve no function except to make the government or corporation that installed them feel good about themselves.
Under normal circumstances, I rarely need to charge away from home, but it does make me think twice about long trips where there are still no guarantees that promised infrastructure will be alive and functioning where the map says it is.
I have a feeling this will change on a whole once the big car manufacturers all start their transition to "no more gas powered cars." VW will start in 2033. Toyota will be doing EV and Hybrid by 2030. Honda will go EV by 2030. Mercedes Benz has also announced an all-EV date of 2030. Pretty much everyone in Europe is doing it by 2030. American car manufacturers are the ones dragging their feet. Ford has announced "emission free" by 2035, but that's about as vague as it gets. GM is at least going all-electric by 2035. That's the stuff that's going to hurt the push for more infrastructure more than anything in the US. We're likely to be far behind the curve compared to europe and asia.
But the light at the end of the tunnel is here. Eventually there are going to be a ton of EV cars on the streets and a lot of money to be made from charging them. The closer we get to 2030, the more that infrastructure is going to spread. They won't be throwing money at something without demand. The demand's gonna be there. It's also gonna be the most absurdly chaotic time for EV owners, as there will likely be a time when EVs flood the streets while there's still a shortage of available chargers. There are gonna be a LOT of parking lot fistfights.
@@pirojfmifhghek566keep dreaming big guy
@@pirojfmifhghek566 what a great comment, you're right
I did a 3000 mile road trip in my Rivian. Once we left California, it started getting dicey, especially as we went into some rural towns. 100% of the non Tesla/Rivian charging locations had units that were down. Then once we reached British Columbia, high speed chargers were completely nonexistent (in Vancouver on top of that).
So charging from home is great, if you have a Tesla and stick to the interstates you’ll be ok…. Otherwise the infrastructure still has a long way to go before EVs can be more than a round trip commute car. Which is justifiable for 99% use cases. Just need to also have a gas powered long range vehicle as well.
I'm glad you're doing this, Marques. People need to know what the ups & downs with electric tech, especially when it comes to EVs. It seems that the biggest issues revolve around charging difficulties, performance in extreme temperatures along with range degradation over time & below zero climates.
would you consider a video guide to the infrastructure available in the US? coverage, which cars connect with which stations, etc? we're looking to get an electric car next, but the infrastructure seems a scary mess to deal with
Just get a tesla
Only infrastructure that’s currently feasible is Tesla’s unless you’re charging at home 99% of the time
I recommend the video from Technology Connection and Under Dunn on CZcams, excellent collaboration
Sounds like a video for Climate Town.
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