Roadmap To Nowhere (The Jimquisition)
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We've touched on roadmaps a little before, but let's take a good ol' look at the concept in more detail. In tech, roadmaps can form crucial paths for development. In games, roadmaps have become a crutch - a buzzterm used to clothe the lack of content when a game is sold.
Roadmaps are the latest disguise for what's been happening in "AAA" games for years - software being pushed out in a half-baked state to make as much money immediately, with a plan to add value to the product being relegated to a distant secondary concern.
We know where we're going, but we can't say where we've been.
#Fallout76 #Anthem #Roadmap #JimSterling #Jimquisition
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TLDR: "Don't pre-order games." has evolved into "Don't buy games until a year after launch."
I don't buy most AAA games till 3 or 4 years after launch on steam at 50%+ off. That way I get to know what the DLC is and can tell if its worth owning.
Good sign that the game industry really has taken a nosedive. It's such a pain in the ass now I don't even want to bother.
At the very least, just cross off EA and other AAA from the purchasing list.
You can usually get a ‘complete edition’ a year later on a good sale for $30 instead of paying $100 for it at launch with a lot of that extra content still to be released at the time.
So I guess EPIC store is trying to help ppl by holding games to ransom for the first year
This was actually a case already 5 years ago or so. I remember games like Rome 2 Total War released as a broken mess but got fixed and was good a year later on.
What we have now is that you can't even buy the game for a year after launch, unless you're willing to do so on Epic Store or soon on whatever else exclusivity deals start happening...
Oh snap, a video on April Fools that ISNT a joke video! Not gonna lie, that actually threw me off guard.
I'm too old for that shit these days.
@@JimSterling Thank GOD... for Jim Sterling, son.
The lack of any April Fools jokes in this video is itself an April Fools joke.
@@JimSterling Arnt we all.
That in a way makes it an even greater April Fool's, because it wasn't what we were expecting
"Dirt Rally has a goddamned roadmap"
I'd hope so otherwise they might get lost
😅😅😅😅
10/10!
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Loved how Warframe burnt AAA publishers on April Fools by advertising deluxe and double deluxe edition roadmaps with descriptions like "I don't want to play the game, but I want to finish it" edition.
Warframe is the shit and everyone else in the live service market is just shit.
Gotta love the Warframe devs. They even got rid of an "insanely profitable" slot machine type of thing just because they felt guilty, felt it would be too scummy/greedy to keep in, unlike virtually every other game company out there these days, sadly. That's some damn strong integrity to be able to resist keeping that in the game, especially taking it out before anyone even complained (like EA would STILL be doing exactly what they wanted to do in Battlefront 2 if they didn't get that epic amount of deserved complaining. Warframe/Digital Extremes just removes it out of their own guilt.) It just shows you that SO many companies out there have ZERO shame, whereas they still actually kept their integrity.
Here's a link to the actual story I mentioned, if you hadn't heard of it at the time: www.pcgamesn.com/warframe/warframe-slot-machine-kubrow
Sadly most business morals get their advice from reading books by other business mogals. Most business plans work for the generation they were created for, but quickly become outdated in a decade as a next generation enters the battleground. Much like plastic business is booming until people completely start rejecting the necessity of it even existing.
@Deathbrewer - I didn't even hear about that. It does indeed say something about DE that they would, unasked, say "You know what? This isn't a good idea. It's exploitative. It'd make us loads of money but we don't want to make money *that* way." Something that can be said of precious few game companies these days... thanks for sharing. :)
Can i have the link to those roadmaps? can't find it anywhere :/ is it from 2019?
Man I miss when games were complete and dlc/expansions just meant adding onto something already good.
They’re still out there. We just have to be smart consumers and vote with our wallets. Support games like Sekiro instead of ‘games’ like Anthem
Not a case to be honest. Nothing really changed except internet is more common so more people can see it... Vampires Bloodlines a great game which got put into over 8.0 version (!) adding a lot of content which never made it to the game. Original War (from 2001) never got its arabic campgain... And so on and so on. What really changed are people and their connection if you ask me.
Edit: I forgot about most obvious game which did not end up whole at release.. Amount of cut content goes beyound half of other games... Morrowind.
I miss the feeling of loving the game soo much that I would browse local store catalogs and inventory over the phone just to see if there are "expansion packs" coming for the game.
And then going to the store to buy it.
And then reading the handbook and manual to look at all of the pictures while simultaneously ignoring the text within, and then eventually skipping to the notes sections to write in cheat codes and easter egg locations.
And then taking my games to friends homes to play free of internet drm, because if the floppy/cd worked, i still had the game.
I wish this was still the way to enjoy a game. Yes, the delivery of content has changed for the better (broadband downloading and not waiting for new stock in the local stores blah blah blah) but I miss all of those feelings associated with all of those scenarios, and unfortunately my son will not be able to expierence that kind of love and hype for more of thr same game the way I experienced it.
Games still work like that, only the mainstream games suffer from this kind of behavior
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I got Anthem free with a headset a couple of weeks ago.
I'll tell you how much I love Anthem! I got the Platinum trophy for Sekiro last night. That's how much I enjoy playing Anthem.
The question I ask you, Is do you still feel ripped off even though you got Anthem free with your headset?
You got the platinum trophy in a week? BS.
@@SPM0717 some people have more free time than others
I got anthem free and was still frustratingly disappointed. Let that sink in...
@@RockRedGenesis I did.
I bought a car on Early AAAccess.
It was 4 wheels and an undercarriage. The doors, the roof, the engine, the exhausts system, steering wheel, radio, windshield and wipers were on the roadmap, with a projected release date a year after purchase. But if I had bought the Gold Edition Starter Pack, I could get air conditioning in my car. For the low price of five-hundred ninety-nine US dollars. On top of the full price, of course. Giant enemy crabs not included.
DrownedInExile Basic functions are a must. Especially the engine and air conditioner. It’s like a game that gives you a black screen on day 1.
Somebody put the Chunky Grumbler out of his misery dear god
You can't just take a picture of Bobby Kotick and call it the Chunky Grumbler. That's lazy.
Well, at least there were no devil horns on it.
Yeah, though for some reason, he took the ten seconds to edit out the devil horns, though.
Boglin Kotick.
@@singaporesammy what did the boglins do to you?
I feel like Jim just says variations of the same thing every week at this point, like he knows people are accusing him of beating a dead horse but it's no win since the AAA games industry is still awful.
Speaking of Jim Sterling characters, I still miss Duke Amiel Du H'ardcore. With Sekiro out, it feels like this is the perfect time for him to return....
He said he thought he was doing it too often, but surely once in a while, we can have my favorite Jimquisiton segment of all? Please/
He did one for Shenmue not too long ago, did you miss that?
It would be a bit in bad taste. Sekiro is exactly what Jim has been asking for, a solid single player game with no live service, no lootbox or mtx, no roadmap, it's great. Shitting on it just because he doesn't personally like it would be hypocritical. If it makes you feel better you can read this comment with a silly voice and wear a wig or something.
@@SPM0717 I apparently did! Still, it was six months ago...
All of the comments I saw on the Sekiro video were civil. I was surprised, I rarely see this on videos about a cute puppy and a baby playing.
This "roadmap" development cycle is essentially a cost saving measure on the part of Triple-Access publishers. Now that it's acceptable to release an unfinished game and finish it later, they want to be able to get away with just plain not finishing games that don't sell well enough.
If it already sold, there is no longer an incentive to keep developing, unless they can exploit the sunk cost fallacy to reap more money from those who bought in, because those guys need to justify that money they wasted by wasting more money.
Honestly, even if it did sell well. They have no obligation to finish it. They got their money. All they have to do is put in a cash shop, and call it a day.
Ironically some games end up doing poorly because the lack of content and being unpolished pieces of digital trash.
That awkward moment when you buy a horse so you can beat it only to find out that it was dead on arrival.
Beating it anyway is the right thing to do.
That guy with the face I do enjoy beating a good dead horse. It’s not getting old at all. Wait I’m going to go see some beating a dead horse porn. Because it’s all i enjoy it all thanks to the video game industry 👍👍👍👍😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Remember when GTAV promised future single player content then abandoned it for online shark cards
Remember The Simpsons Game's empty DLC section?
I just played through GTA 5 for the first...and last time about a 4 months ago...and it got boring about halfway though. Then once you finish the story there is nothing worthwhile to do....even police chases, shootouts and random fucking around is far better in GTA 4 with its awesome physics and police cars that don't spawn right behind you. 5 is the only GTA that I never played through the story then never touched again.
@@vivisect53 " even police chases, shootouts and random fucking around is far better in GTA 4 with its awesome physics " the driving making even those hard to do in that game as well. Just my opionion.
Tuska122 Rockstar has always treated fans with an indifference that borders on hostility. At this point I wouldn’t even be suprised if they were doing consumer unfriendly shit just to see how far they could push people
They already made more money than any entertainment product ever made by micro-monetizing a game that came out 6 years ago and it’s still rolling in. I hate to blame gamers for the industry being fucked up but...
You people buy games like you *HAVE* to buy games. Now these companies know their product is dope to you and they don’t have to treat you like intelligent consumers anymore. You’re the junkies and they’re the dealers
@@a.g.m8790 Take2 not Rockstar, dick.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto, 2012
Keyword: *_Eventually_*
Let's be honest, Games are no longer what they're used to be.
It's a job just to keep up with the latest bullshit... To swallow.
Rushed game: Rainbow Six Siege
Delayed game: Crackdown 3
@@weaverquest so you listed two bad games, your point?
Duke Nukem: Forever. Although, I mean, I kind of liked it....
THANK YOU! This should be up on display at every video game company HQ as far as I'm concerned
imagine going into Walmart, spending $100 on groceries and then you go home without the groceries and wait to get it a year later. that's what these "live services" turned into
With Bumblebee showing up with your groceries to calm you down.
And then you can't access said grocery's till you sign up to Walmart's news letter and the groceries charge you monthly access to the bags they already dropped off.
@Luis Martinez at least he made a comment worth more than two pointless words that mean nothing hey champ 😉
@Luis Martinez more like, buying groceries for $100 coming home and you only have $15 of groceries, the rest are "coming soon™"
Sekiro, a AAA $60 game without season pass, microtransaction, lootboxes, cosmetic, roadmap, incomplete/lack of content, bugs, glitch, paywall content and multiplayer.
The exact opposite of most AAA game these days, this used to be the norm but now it is an exception, sad
DMC 5 as well. It does have some rubbish microtransactions unfortunately, but they're so rubbish you can ignore them completely. Other than that it fits the above description pretty well.
@@ghostface5559 did you have stroke while typing this?
@@Chambersu I think he got CoD PTSD lmao and never heard of Fromsoft before
@@TheToastedBiscuit exactly, DMC5 is almost perfect but someone in Capcom just cannot let this perfection be and add a completely unecessary MTX as well as weird revival system, checkpoint is more than enough geez
Sekiro is an imitation of a fully-fledged game. it only has a few hours worth of content that's stretched out by the means of artificial "difficulty". not the best example at all
I find the chunky grumbler disappointing at launch, is there any kind of roadmap in place for when we can expect improvements to the meme?
Edit: Thanks for all the likes! Suprised to see so many XD
Using millions of dollars in CGI recreation technology and the latest PlayStation 6 VR technology Jim plans to turn the chunky grumbler into an interactive dating Sim by 2025.
I'm hoping a fan makes a Boglin of him!
@@cambur3 He's def based on a Boglin. I think he would make a good side-kick for a certain amateur wrestler we all love to hate 😉
It's been a while since Jim's Art Juice era. It give a roadmap time and it'll be better.
In 3 months time he will have a hat
I've created a road map as well. I call it "The Road Map of Games That I'll Probably Avoid for a Few Months Because They Have a Road Map" road map.
Edit: It has a lot of little X's that say that this road isn't paved yet.
FINISH YOUR DAMN MAP MUDDAF*******!!!!!
[smartass mode was activated]
Always hold out for the GOTY
Road map
You nailed the one thing at which road maps excel: telling people when they should actually buy the game.
Why only a few months?
The whole "buy it incomplete now, wait for it to be finished later" is so obnoxious.
It's funny. Especially from companies who have a history of doing it, and people buy it anyway. Then surprise surprise the game is lacking content.
@8bit NES Cutscene That's kind of my thought process on a lot of recent stuff. Why should I buy to wait when I could wait and buy a more complete product and probably at a cheaper price point? If anything the handful of games worth buying from triple A publishers will be even better than they started out to be and the rest will just devolve as the hype dies down and show you just what kind of manure they really were from the start. I'm happy to have found a few exceptions to that already this year so I won't be entirely shocked if that's all we get for quality day one releases.
They're able to do it because they can lock content behind ordering early. FOMO is extremely powerful, and people will often be parted with their money to make sure they don't miss out on some rare signifier that they were there day 1. Beta badges, Excalibur Prime in Warframe, pre-order exclusive DLC, founder's packs, seasonal events. These combined with the common knowledge that a multiplayer game becomes less playable as it ages pressure players to buy earlier in fear they'll miss out, in hopes they'll eventually get a game they genuinely like.
@8bit NES Cutscene I mean, that accusation is why it's effective. No one can criticize it without it being interpreted as some sort of character flaw, much like how microtransactions are totally just Player Choice™ and lootboxes are totally optioanl and if you buy them that's your personal problem. No exploitative system at work here! They just totally put all this shit in games not expecting to make any money, and they don't make money, except from bad people who have bad weaknesses and simply need to Git Gud at economics.
You're just as weak minded as anyone else. No one is special, we all have meat brains that are susceptible to marketing and advertising. No matter what, you are forced to participate in capitalism, even if you think you're more clever than the other schmucks working shitty jobs for shitty wages. And a refusal to have empathy for others in the same situation ultimately means that there will be no one who will look out for your interests.
We can't allow a false consciousness to blind us - any little thing a corporation tells you to convince you that you'e better than someone else, that this other group is actually the cause of the problem, is ultimately in service of their own goals at your expense.
@8bit NES Cutscene If you have at any point referred to yourself as a gamer, or bragged about an accomplishment in a game to friends who didn't already have the game, or otherwise bought a game after having seen it in an ad or after a streamer or CZcamsr played it, you're susceptible to ads. It's preposterous to suggest otherwise, our culture is steeped in advertisements. This very platform we watched the same video on is owned by a company that makes its money almost exclusively through advertising and algorithms meant to shape behavior in the service of more advertising.
That Google even deigned to introduce you to Jim Sterling was through its belief that because you enjoy games, you would enjoy a person that talks about games, because that's a decent way to sell video games in advertisements. You cannot be online and claim you're immune to advertisements, to do so would mean that you're blind to what's influencing you.
No facet of your life that involves a purchase is free from the influence of those who sell you stuff. Even the idea that you're an educated consumer is itself a manufactured identity, an identity that is meant to split you off an alienate you from others such that you don't actually organize or take action in the belief that others deserve everything that happens to them and that you're smart because it didn't happen to you.
Being aware of these influences makes it easier to criticize them, and it's a major point of Jim's entire show. You can't simply "educated consumer" your way out of the shitty state of the game industry, the healthcare industry, the US government, anything. It requires serious criticism and a willingness to tackle systems rather than place blame on individuals. It means seeing a company taking advantage of ads and FOMO and being able to recognize it as insidious _and blaming the party in power for it _ like the companies doing it rather than the customers for being human and behaving exactly how these companies know they'll behave.
That's a major point of the Jimquisition, it's trying to move people past just seeing individual problems in video games and seeing the system that creates these problems, to get people to stop blaming whatever boogeyman reactionaries would have you believe is at fault and start going after Mountain Dewritoes and Activision and every other massive corporation that will do whatever it takes to make the most money possible, no matter the human cost.
This basically is "Do you remember No Man's Sky? Now it's everywhere"
At least to No Man's Sky's credit...they DID eventually update the game to be SIGNIFICANTLY better game, one that matched the Original Promise and MORE. Plus they did it for FREE!
I feel the biggest issue with that, is it was an Indie Title on AAA Marketing & Timeline. I DO feel that they WANTED a better game...but the Publishers simply had too much control.
Unfortunately for a lot of these games....they want YOU to pay THEM to deliver the PROMISED version of the game. They want to section off large sections of content for future purchase and development...like a crapload of skins or several characters.
I remember back when Super Street Fighter IV came around...they added AT LEAST twice the roster, and I think one or two other benefits. It was MUCH cheaper to buy that version of the game, than to add up what those characters would cost individually. Now? They'll just sell you a small roster, then release packs with Skins...then multiple character packs...all for content that SHOULD have been there at launch OR available for free!!
An it's crazy that this is the SAME developer that has MHW which gives TONS of content away...FOR FREE!! The base game was ALREADY really good, but then they just threw in more stuff...
Corporate entities have one objective, one goal: to make money. They only adopt practices that are the best at making money in the most efficient way possible. Cheaper development, tons of ads with accompanying graphics, micro-transactions, special editions, genres which can be reliably profitable, replacing creativity with copying established norms, etc.
The only reason they do this garbage is because people keep on paying for it en masse. *Most people are tasteless sheep that have no appreciation for quality and no disgust towards malpractice*
Well, a dog ate NoMansSky about halfway through the development, and since their publisher had none of it, they had to scramble and push out what they did. At least that's what i heard.
Everyman's sky?
And you have to pay extra for the privilege
Jim, I believe that you still have not released a Roadmap for the Jimquisition. When are you going to add such vital features as the ability to send our praises directly?
You already can, just thank God. He'll pass it on.
I think Jim is working on a roadmap FOR the roadmap right now, at least that's what I heard.
Bethesda's 10-year roadmap ends with selling pencils from a cup outside the local Walmart
...at $4.99 per pencil, but for an additional $.99 you can add a red dot to it.
@@scroth0303 Buy the season pass! They are introducing lead to their pencils... next year!
Todd Howard becomes a WallMart Greeter
how many bugs are included in those pencils???
@@scroth0303 except that red dot was only pre-production prototype and thanks to the "unexpected world-wide red dot shortages", for the retail product they had to replace the red dot with fly droppings. But you'll get a few atoms as compensation (mandatory personal information leak included).
Roadmaps remind me of the IOU scene from Dumb and Dumber.
"That's as good as money, Sir! Those are IOUs!"
* witty and original comment/joke linking/comparing the diarrhea scene with game development*
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First time i heard that, i almost pissed my pants.
Fucking perfect!
Wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world? ROADMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!!!
Honestly, I think at this point Jim going on about Anthem is less “beating a dead horse “ and more “putting a dead horse’s head on a pike as a warning to the others”
I love how Jim's way of saying AAA just gets weirder and more sarcastic each episode.
At some point his level of sarcasm will hit critical mass and break the space-time continuum.
It wouldn't be out of place for him to just scream AAAHH instead
Also, "layve siurvices" 😁
What they make you expect with "roadmaps" : You buy a burger, you get fries after the burger, you get drinks after the fries.
What "roadmaps" really are : You buy a burger, you get the ground meat now, the cheese later, then the patty next year.
The fries and drink are sequels with their own road map.
By the time I'll eat that roadburger I've lost my taste because it's probably cold
Can I still pay you on Tuesday for it?
"ROADMAPS" *xD* LMFAO
*I didn't know games were a cross country voyage without a GPS...*
It's ironic if you think about it; this industry has no BOTTOM, but it currently certainly is *ASS!..*
Actually the cheese is giving us some trouble, we're going to have to delay the patty.
AND, also, what proof do we have that if a game like Anthem or any game of that nature won't get shut down due to poor sales?
I buy a game, it sucks at launch, I expected more and POOOF...I've put money in a game that won't deliver as a service, in time, because they failed so miserably that they move on to another project!
Yup, reminds me of Battleborn, a cool game in its own right that sadly is going down eventually despite you being able to put money in it.
"Look at him. He is just so angry at God." 😂
And honestly my friend who is a lawyer bought Anthem and is now in the process of trying to sue them for false advertising. My thoughts and prayers are with him with winning that uphill battle.
Wait really?! 😮
What kind of lawyer is he?
What kind of lawyer is he?
Road map:
-launch game when it's playable enough* (subjective)
-release microtransactions after reviews are in
-say you are working on it for 2 years
-move on to next project
-repeat process
Moist Chungus This is exactly CoD, I'm not saying CoD is bad though.
@@sheriffaboubakar9720 I enjoyed bo4 on launch but the bullshit has been extra fucked this year
Lesson learned: Only buy the game when roadmap no longer looks interesting.
By then hopefully the game itself is interesting, and at a discounted price also.
Impartial in-depth game reviews are more important than ever. Day one is dead.
Actually, that IS the traditional F2P roadmap. Just saying.
(small difference though, they usually have one group for development of game to "playable" state, then move the game servicing to a second team, which can possibly even be outsourced, or the game outright sold to a publisher to do said maintanence)
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Random person: "The game industry hit rock bottom."
The game industry: "Everyone grab a shovel!"
With fracking and Elon Musk's Boring Company, drilling technology has greatly advanced - there's incredible new downward potential!
"there's incredible new downward potential"
Is it wrong to already be planning the funeral for that upcoming elder scrolls game?
@@kentonbaird878 Nah, I assume it'll be adequate at least, after that we'll just have to wait for six months to a year and the TES mod community will have transformed it into something outstanding
Edit: I don't know how it is with mods for consoles these days, but imho, if you get a Bethesda TES/Fallout game for console, it's your own fault. Don't wanna hate on consoles in principle, but I want full access to the modding community myself
The game industry: "Everyone grab a shovel"
Random person and everyone else: "Go suck a dick and shovel it youself!"
When they actually hit a rock bottom, they'd grab a pickaxe.
This would be why I wait a minimum of six months after a game's release before dropping any money on it.
EA: "It's in the game" (eventually, maybe)
You gotta believe me!! It's not me it's the games!
Why do I empathize with this on so many levels
Because whenever you mention anything that sounds remotely critical of someone's favorite game, you're met with the usual "You're just being toxic!"
"It'll get better! They said so!"
"It's good now!"
"Am I out of touch? No, it's the games who are wrong."
@@Edgemaster72 Of course. Because everyone loved how Fallout 76 launched a broken, buggy mess along with mountains of controversy and barely any content and how Anthem launched with scant and repetitive content and shitty loot drops
@@compedycakemine6960 He's right though. We are out of touch. This is the new normal. It's a shit normal, but here we are.
@@Edgemaster72
"Am I a good sheep ? Of course I am"
I really miss John Bain (Total Biscuit) since he and Jim were always a duo to be reckoned with, always taking care of the Gaming Industry and getting people to listen to the truth.
Godspeed Jim!
RIP John.
Well said Sir. They always are were two of my favourites. RIP John
You know i'm almost glad he doesn't have to see how far we've fallen from the light since, but not as sad as I am that he's no longer here to fight by our side.
He was cool when he wasn't telling people on Twitter to upvote his comments when he was losing a discussion on Reddit lol
Huh. I seem to recall watching a video of Total Biscuit from a few years back, defending loot boxes in Overwatch because the skins were "optional."
I am kinda glad he didn't see the HORRIBLE wreckage that the gaming industry has become...
It releases dopamine in my brain when Jim's vocalizations enter my ear holes and vibrate my tympanic membranes
Whenever the chunky grumbler's not on screen, Jim should be asking "where's the chunky grumbler??"
“Most people rejected his message, they hated Jim because he told them the truth.”
Well look at you, ya brave little toaster!
@@battlion507 don't trust it, it's the CEO of Google
ACDC is too good to associate with games publishers.....
I insert a forgotten band called Stryper....
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^it's cheesy 80's metal, not annoying like friggin BARBIE GIRL but it's a nobody band that everyone forgot and we aren't staining a good band that every metalhead loves.....or at least most like and I mean the classic albums more than the current stuff
Actually, my begrudging rage at Jim is for the occasional but very POTENT stupidity that comes from him. It is rare enough that I keep coming back, but...
I mean, Jim won me over because he was doing what he could to stem the tide, but now that he isn’t only fighting floodwaters but occasionally he contradicts himself by saying corporations should have the power to make certain calls without his usual awareness that corporations will abuse any power they are given, so we must measure all long term consequences to any power we give them.
Ironically, I used to be a Stryper fan because so many people assumed I worshipped the devil because I liked metal. I was just agnostic, but these crazy people made me embrace the Catholicism I'd been raised with. Glad I came to my senses and became agnostic again before I grew up. Also, Stryper are better than most of the bands that were popular at the time, like Poison. What a bad band.
Chunky Grumbler sounds like one of those toys from the 90s with a failing speaker inside it.
I love him.
I hope to God that it's a one-time gag.
He's a boglins ugly cousin, and we all like it for that
Sounds more like a sextoy for fat people
Sounds kinda like Zote to me.
The burger analogy is actually pretty good. It's like paying for a full on burger, but only getting the unseasoned meat patty and the bun.
And then waiting with the burger in hand to have the seasoning, ketchup, mayo, lettuce, onion, tomato, cheese, and bacon added on. Some people will say "BUT I ENJOYED THE BLAND AF BURGER" and you'll say, that's fine, but I expect a burger to not just be the meat and bun, especially when it costs what I expect a burger to cost WITH all the trimmings.
That's actually pretty generous.
I mean, they're actually giving you the patty and bun. Is the patty even fully cooked, and not just raw? The cooked patty is part of the silver edition, while the cooked patty and bun is the digital deluxe gold edition! Hope you pre-ordered for the fancy bun that was advertised!
That's a bit closer to what the AAA industry is doing these days. Except EA will happily make you wait for that burger if you didn't preorder it through their store.
“A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad” Shigeru Miyamoto
This is evidence supporting Miyamoto’s quote.
I've heard games executives say that they don't understand what all the outrage is about, and that they are only engaging in "best practices" seen throughout this and other industries. These are executives that don't have any original ideas and all they can think of the appease shareholders is to say "Hey, we engaged in the industries best practice. What more could we have possibly done?" To them it's almost a sign of accomplishment to deconstruct what other companies are doing and then to copy them, because then they can say that they engage in the industries "best practice." A current "best practice" is subscription-based income. You can't even buy Adobe products anymore - you have to pay a subscription for Photoshop. Same with Microsoft Word. And many industries - including the games industry - are trying to find various ways to have reliable "subscription-based" income.
I think a responsible executive could present a different argument to their shareholders, such as: "Research suggests that certain trends become risky to invest in when there are too many competitors in that space. For every successful Battle Royale game there are ten failures. There are vendors with hundreds of thousands of unsold fidget spinners. Our belief, which is supported by research, is that we need to create an original product that will endear consumers to our company. That increased loyalty will bring profits now and in the long term, and will even save us money with things like marketing because satisfied customers will do your marketing for you."
By the way, the rant that starts at 9:36 is so cathartic. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I love the garbage justification of "we're just following what the industry demands" as if THEY AREN'T THE FUCKING INDUSTRY MAKING THE EXPECTATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Investors are only demanding more and more out of the companies because they've been made to expect greater and greater profits by publishers claiming "we'll get 8 million bucks out of that audience this year and 10 billion dollars out of that audience next year... er, somehow."
I swear, these executives must be autistic 9 year olds. "Oh, original and innovative games regularly rake in shitloads of money? Let's release another uninspired, soul less, and repetitive cash grab that is exactly like the last!"
*Day after release
Executives: "why did our game sell like shit?"
Its a self-destructive culture where a constant maddened search for the "next big thing that will produce miraculous amounts of money" causes companies to constantly undermine what they already have, draining consumer good will for example.
However, large masses of idiots who chase after trends without knowing what the're doing and get rekt have always existed and will always exist. The financial markets work that way too. People keep going broke chasing after trends.
Meanwhile, Warren Buffet, one of the wealthiest investors in the world, got that way by doing the exact opposite: long term planning, sticking to what he knows. Consistency wins in the end.
@@ManoredRed I agree. In one of those Ubisoft Powerpoint slides that Jim often shows it says that "in the past" the "games as a product" model was "hit driven." It implies this is problematic and that the "live services" model does not rely on hits. I think that's absurd. Live services are just as hit-driven as any other game. They're only fooling themselves.
@@TheTherapistGamer They are indeed. The're trying to treat an artistic medium as non artistic, they seem to think they can produce content for the same game endlessly and retain player attention, as if they were producing bricks for the construction industry or something.
I still remember when one of the first ever DLCs was released: the Oblivion Horse Armor. And people laughed. Today it would be good content with good value.... It's sad.
It's funny, because besides that and the spell tome thing, Oblivion had good value dlc. Now most dlcs today are horse armor.
I remember it well and it was pretty obvious writing on the wall for the future of the industry. (www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2006/04/05/the-zone-of-pure-breakfast)
I also recall people saying how this extra monetization would let Bethesda create better games in the future. I still see these kind of arguments today.
@@Omega172 Oblivion _never_ had good _DLC._ It had good _expansions._ *Expansions,* remember those?
13 years later and they joke about that with this. For an April Fool's day, but still. www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/55993
Back then the horse armor was an appalling money-grab. How could a company charge SEVERAL dollars for a cosmetic?! Nowadays, people expect cosmetic garbage, often mere color swaps of things already in the game, and gladly fork over $10-$20 a pop for the stuff.
The Video Game Industry as a whole, meaning the publishers, developers, and customers too, has fallen a long way.
On point as usual Jim, new triple a distortion voice works too. You are a shining example to generations.
Roadmaps are pretty much they want to make video games into TV shows.
They have the pilot that at times might be alright or meh and they hope the ratings don't drop as they start writing ideas as they go along.
The difference of course is shows you technically don't usually pay for specifically. The games you bloody do.
Didn’t make a video praising TRIPLE AAA industry and instead made a real video people can enjoy years later.
0/10 how dare you be professional and bring content to the fans.
It's worse than that. Not only does he provide quality content that is feature complete at launch day, he only asks for some people to pay him for it if they want. To everyone else, he's giving it away. FOR FREE. He doesn't even have the lack of decency to throw up some ads at least! Disgusting!!!
The nerve of this critical games journalist. Making sound arguments and valid points to push for quality in gaming. Who does he think he is?
IT's AAA, Triple AAA = Triple Triple A
@@IskandarTheWack But Triple AAA is funnier and more parodic.
I don't so much mind a Roadmap for a game that launches good and/or is F2P, but when the Roadmap is the only thing that shows any promise with a game, my brain hurts.
"Even Jesus thanks God for me"....T-Shirt when?
I'm in for one too...lol
We'll, there's a roadmap for the release of the t-shirt....
they will update us when they find the perfect fabric right?
Hopefully they won't run out and send us trash bags with the phrase taped to it.
Yeah Nah fuck it, let's start a petition.
We need these shirts and we will pay for them
I loved your use of the "medium rare chicken fingers" image.
Just make a roadmap that ends on "- Release the game finished".
Profit.
You're welcome.
The term "Roadmap" has always vexed me for this anyway. It's not a "Roadmap." It's a single, linear, unvarying path. That's not a map, that's a damn line.
It's also not a guarantee of anything and potentially subject to change at *any* time.
Well, it is a map of a single road. Maps of single roads are not especially interesting, but a single, straight or curved line can definitively be called a roadmap.
"Roadmap" in game development mostly just seems to be a euphemism for "We're totally doing awesome stuff with your money. You should probably give us some more while you wait."
You and chunky grumbler have really great stage chemistry, I can’t wait to see more from this dynamic duo
13:51 I swear I can hear someone in the background muttering something.
oh thank grace i thought it was just me
Roadmaps are quite nice, they say when the game should be finished so I won't accidentally pay full for incomplete product.
When a game releases a road map before it even launches the song highway to hell starts playing in my head
Or the theme song at the end of the 1970s Hulk tv show. czcams.com/video/afQadmUZOLw/video.html
I'm also adding this because it's a thing of beauty. ^_^ czcams.com/video/jCQug0FEvZ0/video.html
Star citizen comes to mind
Highway to Hell is too badass of a song to be associated with these companies though. Perhaps I'm a Barby girl should be more fitting
@@someguyinjersey976 But star citizen is still in active development, so a roadmap makes sense.
But the Jimquisition already has a lovable mascot: the Cornflake Homunculus.
Dusk was such a great game.
Amen.
I say we fight fire with fire. If a game has a $60 price tag on it and a road-map for when the game becomes playable, let's incrementally pay that $60 as the roadmap goals are met. I'll give you $5 for the game installment itself, and every stop on the road-map you get to I pay another $5 until we are at $60.
EA be like "Here is our Roadmap - a drawing made by Jeff, the intern we don't pay. It's a puppy! Invest now if you want Jeff's Puppy to have a family! Once we reach 60 dollars on the Puppy's journey, we're actually releasing a videogame, no cent shorter."
Or better yet, don't give ANY money until the road map is completed. Wait for the inevitable "complete edition". Which is essentially another term for "the game it was meant to be all along, just after we bled you dry, 1 dlc at a time."
They'd further chop it up so you're paying $120
Dam Right
*Sound of game publishers laughing uproariously*
Nah, they know damn well that people will pay full-price upfront for the incomplete product.
Never forget... _Arkham Origins_ was never fully patched. I love that game but I will never forgive WB for not fixing all the bugs.
wdcain1 I remember that it was awful what they did the freeze and frames
@@Drahko12 It crashes about two times for me on every playthrough and I'm lucky. I've heard some people can't even get into Gotham since the first communications tower won't let them leave.
@@wdcain1 Disable DX11. DX11 in that game is completely broken.
I’ve never forgiven them for effectively tanking the hype around Shadow of War.
I was extremely lucky on my first play through. Didn't encounter any major bugs. Just the audio cutting out frequently during fast travel cut scenes. But I played it again recently, and realized how buggy it can be. Was my first time playing my PS3 in a while, and was worried it was my PS3... but I'm pretty sure it's the game.
I love the Chunky Grumbler. 10 out of 10.
"Everyone gets a roadmap!"
Oh Jim, you brilliant bastard.
Just keep saying "Triple A" in increasingly weird ways and most people will keep watching Jim
I should hope Dirt Rally 2.0 has a road map - otherwise, how is the co-driver going to know where the stages are?
Unexpected reference here.
Ask where did Sweden go.
**£250k worth of rally car hurdles through rural Sweden at 120mph**
_”Yeah.... I think it’s a left up next”_
This was a great episode Jim. Great voice-over, funny script, great use of visual gags. Top tier.
They're asking us to invest in them in the hope of the product without the benefits of being an actual investor
Better to take your hundred bucks and buy a Take Two share lol.
@@themudpit621 right!?
Remember when games were sold in a complete state , patches fixed problems and DLC added something new..........
Those were the days........
Remember when new multiplayer maps were free with updates and every collectable item was unlockable by playing
Remember when you just bought a game and put the disc in, it just started with no updates or patches and just had all of the games content for one price? Remember how it just worked and just contained a game? Those were the days...
oh I member
@@mud2479 Is that Toto's Africa playing in the background ? :-P
They're still around. How about Sekiro? Oh, Jim didn't like it. How about Metro Exodus? Jim didn't like it.
Well, he can't have his fucking cake and eat it too.
Almost Rendered, West Virginia,
Glitching Mountains, no textures on the river
Life is buggy here
Can't find good legendar-ies
Got kicked out of the server
This game is grind-ey
Country Roadmaps
Take me home
To a better game
Where I belong
My game froze
T posed
Country Road Maps
Take me home
This thread is gold
i hear the patch in morning Hour he calls me
the Roadmap remindes me of Content far away
driving down to gamestop i got a Feeling
they i should by another game, another game!
Someone make a cover. I can't sing
I have to wonder what platform you guys are playing on because my game has never been that bad.
Didn't expect Jim trying to summon the Old Gods almost a minute and a half into the video.
The veil of reality grows weaker day by day....
At least, that's the best possible explanation for all the fuckery in the world lately.
The chunky grumbler is such a cool name for some reason lol
I _knew_ this would open with Talking Heads...
It's worth risking ContentID's attention.
It literally put a huge grin on my face
Is that a... JOJO REFERENCE
Saw the title and assumed I would have to reference song in comments, glad I did not have to.
And we’re not little children
And we know what we want
Humanity is the joke this April.
Last time I was watching Jimquisition videos the term live services applied to MMOs.
And what it actually meant was that the game was supposed to churn out content till the end of the expansion.
As in content, you can actually play. Hell, even day one your expected to have content to play through as well!
I think that Battlefield 4 was the proto-roadmap game at a time when "games as a service" wasn't even a thing. It was released with a lot of bugs and the developers had to fix a lot before fixing the game to make it as amazing as it is today. The exception here is that BF4 was finished at launch, it was very much just its bugs that forced a roadmap style post-launch update system. The roadmap wasn''t adding basic features - it was adding bug fixes and already planned DLC that further improved the game, which eventually became a lot more intimate between the devs and the community as maps became released for free, devs read forums and listened to complaints much more often, and even fun little additions were given to the playerbase to experiment with on test servers. To me, Battlefield 4 should be what roadmap games are - a fix to an already finished game, close communication between the devs and the community that determines what is worked on next instead of sticking to a jpeg, and most importantly, being a rare exception in the industry instead of the new standard.
That first time Jim says "Triple A" in this video made him sound like a shadow from Persona. I dig it.
1:25
Well now I'm just imagining the terrifying corn flake-infused boglin chungus horror a Shadow Jim boss would be...
The funny thing is Live service games are the reverse of Early Access. Early access games are usually cheaper with the promise of being finished later, you get a discount for supporting the development. Live service games are the most expensive at launch and the price drops over time, with complete collections or Game of the year Editions usually coming out next year for half the price and all the DLC/expansions included. It's a strange concept but for consumers your always best off waiting yet publishers expect people to pile in day one and buy millions in MTX.
Never mind games like Apex Legends where it didn't even seem like they finished developing the MTX store. Next to no good skins or options to buy even if you wanted to do so. In fact you even have less options than were showed in the developers teaser before launch.
I... never really thought of it like that (opposite of Early Access), that's very aggravating to think about now -.-
Ok thanks....you actually pissed me off now...m
I can see the roadmap to Chunky Grumbler's development, and it looks dire... Quite dire, indeed...
That looks like something of out of a child's nightmare given form that disturbs even adults like myself....
country roads in the background is hilarious. Never change Jim
Rory Fingers, Cornflakes Humunculous, Sterdust, and now Chunky Grumbler. The Sterling expanded universe is taking shape.
DUKE AMIEL
The Steam Cleaner.
@@HenshinFanatic Pog Fucker
Chungses Assemble!
Dingo Manburger.
I'm glad Jim didn't roadmap an April Fools joke. The TRIPUL AYYYY industry is already farcical enough!
Indeed, would we even be able to tell the difference. I mean i could probably put out a post today about how EA has hired experts on neuro-linguistic programming to develop ways to encourage recurrent spending and even i wouldn't be sure whether or not they were actually doing it.
road map bullshit is worse then patching culture I'm getting sick of it, i want have game COMPLETE on day one for Christ sakes
When I watch Anthem gameplay, I just can't help thinking that Warframe already does this, and does it way better.
Warframe is getting ship combat soon with the free expansion "railjack".
Not even destiny could grant that.
Watching anthem and fallout flounder and gasp for air while some mad-boy free-to-play outdoes them is just wonderful.
Warframe is beating back alot of these shabby developers lately.
the way Jim has built up his industry buzzword voices, he's not too far off from doing a video where 80% of the script is going to need to be read in a silly voices
Buy a game based on what it is, NOT on what it could be.
There's no true guarantee that it will actually become that in the future, and buying it now legally means you accept it as it is.
It also possible to buy a perfectly good finished game and have then fuck it up later...I have a retal game in my steam library that added a cash shop 5 years after release...
Lol
_Country Roadmaps, Take me home._
To the place, that Todd belooongs.
Thanks for differentiating. I've played quite a few early access titles that used roadmaps in a legitimate manner. Can't speak for any major AAA titles though - haven't touched one in years.
prison architect and rimworld is how you early access right.
And Project Zomboid. Love all those games. Rimworld is great, actually in full release now!
Factorio, Dead Cells, Slay the Spire, Oxygen not Included. There are many good games with incredible devs working hard. The bad ones give the rest of these a really bad name.
Chunky Grumbler feels redundant. Don't we already have one of those?
Another good way to do 'roadmaps' is the way Paradox Interactive do their first-party strategy games: original game is fully functional and well-conceived, and fun. Then they take a step back, see what all of the players do with it, and develop an expansion that adds a new system or two, or revises an existing system, or whatnot. In other words, the games are fully functional and worth the money at any point in their life, but they keep evolving and getting better and deeper. By their own account, they "keep developing a game as long as people keep buying the expansions."
It's brilliant. I keep coming back to Crusader Kings II and Stellaris periodically, because each new expansion practically gives me a whole new game--games that give me TONS of playtime in and of themselves in the first place. And Paradox keeps earning my money because they keep doing things to *deserve* my money. Funny how that works.
I love Sklylines and Surviving Mars, but I refuse to by those season passes until they're fully released and on sale.
When I did I was not disappointed.
This intro is so beautiful
The pop-eye reference was everything, thank you and thank god for you, my good man.
That point where you choke on the apple you're eating because you realize Jim has an instrumental version of "Take Me Home, Country Roads" playing in the background.
I was just on high due to hearing Talking Heads
Jim I don’t think you’re wrong for beating up on anthem because you’re correct anthem is unfinished and and broken.
Yeah but it's funny how offended people can get because he keeps talking about it like it's something everyone wants to hear. People get tired of the same old complaints even if they are legitimate. I'm not one of them mind you, cause I'd rather not stick my head in the sand to ignore what's going on with my favorite hobby but there seems to be a lot of people out there that take that mentality with stuff they find disappointing.
Is that "We are Thieves" from Final Fantasy 9 in the background? Nice touch.
Thank you for that Talking Heads intro!!
The roadmap to nowhere is paved with promises of good content
Well worded
naww, the roadmap to nowhere is paved in empty promises\each empty promise
Thank God you uploaded an actual serious video today, my subscription feed is just full of unfunny wank this morning.
I thought April Fool’s had already come with the Diablo announcement anyway.
Oh, is that why everything is flooded with all sorts of announcements that seem pretty clear are lies. Fuck April Fool's.
I thought Diablo mobile was an early april fools. :V
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan If the condition of the in-game roads are any indication...
"Don't you guys have phones?"
Until I found Jim's channel, I felt like I was taking crazy pills. This dude fucking gets this industry and calls it out for its rampant bullshit like no one else, and for my money it never gets old. Keep it up man.
Thumbs up solely for the closing Jesus line. Fucking beautiful. And delivered RIGHT.
When you said "Say hello to the chunky grumbler" I immediately thought "Hold on, but you've already introduced yourself on screen 20 seconds ago"
His ire finally gain self awareness, escaped Jim, and is demands it's own camera time.
Nice one. Low hanging fruit, but nice XD
so smart! i could of never thought of such an intellectual joke mate. you should be a comedian your jokes are so clever, you might become the next adam sandler and produce a movie like pixels mate! xD
@@charm-ander4487 oh shit lads, pack it up. The defence force is here!
@@GreavesEc open up, this is the police! all snowflakes must come out no matter how much their feeling got hurt!
EA looks out across the Treeeeeple Aah ocean and sees their rivals on the same path they are. EA thinks to themselves, how do we do better? Then EA figures it out...
Pre-order roadmaps.
Pre-order roadmaps already sorta exist but are kinda pointless since they're pre-ordered. Multi-tier roadmaps will likely be the next big thing (in the sense of separate roadmaps for different tiers of services like if you ordered a season pass, or is a "early access" subscriber, etc). It already sort of exists for patron/kickstarter based content in the sense of early and/or top tier donators gets to beta content earlier, but expect this to grow to even more tiers for AAA games outright.
You are 100% right about the multi tiered roadmap, that definitely something I could see them coming up with in the near future........and now could you kindly STFU and delete the evidence.....I'm pretty sure EA and Ubisoft are lurking here...lol
Sounds to me like AAA industry forgot what patches are SUPPOSED to be for.
When the hell is their nuclear reactor of corporate overgrowth finally gonna go into meltdown? I’ve been waiting since before I started watching Jim.
Didn't you hear him?
There is no depth low enough to which the industry will sink.
At this point I'm convinced the AAA publishers won't be humbled until, at minimum, we're plunged into another global economic depression, sufficiently worse than the one in 2008 that most people are too busy waiting in long lines for bread to even consider buying a new game or console. Things would have to get worse than in Venezuela, whose economy has been actively sabotaged by its business owners and western trade sanctions as a de facto act of war. Nothing short of cataclysm or revolution is enough to contain the hubris of capital accumulation and the seemingly never-ending quest to increase corporate profits.
11:25 Whoa, Junkman from "The Incredible Crash Dummies (1994)" Fox Kids Special. Radical.