One point that you didn't mention is that stadiums take up a large footprint on a university's campus and most have already densely developed their campus including registered historical buildings that can't be easily removed so it may require them to build on top of the current stadium footprint whether or not it's otherwise the best option
Trying to get the public to vote yes on a bond for a new stadium is almost impossible now. Taxpayers have had enough of spending money for stadiums, whether it's for a school or pro team.
Im still curious how San Diego did it (Not a bond issue iirc, but still millions of dollars involved) Qualcomm had to go down either way, and they went with the measure that costed more (giving it to the public school aka SDSU) over selling it for narket value to Soccer City, and i wanna say begotiating certain payments on the cleanup and such.
There actually was a large run of replacements in the 60s and 70s along with Circular Basketball field houses that you still see. Many of the stadiums had a similar 2 deck design with open end zones. Essentially ended with West Virginia’s Mountaineer Field. 9 times out of 10 it was new land that the school bought and they wanted to clear space in the older main campus Area. Syracuse is one of the few to replace a stadium on the same site in 1980 with the Carrier Dome. Meant playing a season eternally on the road. Not good. Why they renovated the roof last year by using much of the same design so they could do it in 7 months.
I've always appreciated the fact that these old colloseums are still standing, preserving the history of the school's football program. It's more about supporting its diehard fanbase than catering to the bourgeoisie fans that go there for clout.
@@stevenlevesque4270 You do realize that these “diehard fan base” will age and then at that point, who will replace them? Who will be your fans now? Because they die of old age. This is why you need to focus on the younger generation because they will be your long term fan base. This is what keeps you relevant for years to come.
@@robert2690 That's something we don't think about at Georgia. We have been playing football for almost a 130 years. Orher than the size of the stadium the games have pretty much been the same since 1929. The difference? This teams did not a 9 digit check for TV revenue
lived in 'cuse for 29 years. the dome works well. Fact: New York state has a priority for use. Field band championships, football championships, and other activities. Cost: 25 million (1979). also; FAU built a similar concept.
The Horseshoe at Ohio State will be 100 years old in 2022. I think of the Saturdays as a young man my Dad watching the Buckeyes play with Woody Hayes as the coach.
A common thread between most of the new college football stadiums at the FBS level built since the year 2000 is that they are on-campus venues replacing off-campus ones. Other than the stadiums teams share with an NFL team, students are closer to the new stadium than the old one.
Very true, a perfect example of this is UNLV, which moved from its own facility, Sam Boyd Stadium, which was 8 miles away from campus, to Allegiant Stadium, also home of the Las Vegas Raiders, as well as a much closer distance to campus
A better example is UCF, which built an on-campus stadium not long ago rather than play at the much nicer Citrus Bowl (or whatever sponsor it has now) in downtown Orlando. USF is currently spending $600 million in Tampa doing the same thing.
@@RobMacQ The trend toward new on-campus stadiums began when Louisville moved from the stadium at the Kentucky state fairgrounds to their own facility in 1998. Akron, FAU, Minnesota, SMU, South Alabama, Tulane, and UCF have all vacated municipally-owned off-campus stadiums as well. In addition, Baylor and Colorado State have built new stadiums to replace ones they owned, but were located several miles from campus. UNLV abandoned its own facility to become a tenant at Allegiant Stadium, but similar to Baylor and Colorado State’s old stadiums, Sam Boyd was separated from the main campus by miles of suburban sprawl. The reality is that a stadium was going to be built near the Strip eventually, and with UNLV just a few blocks away, the Rebels were always going to relocate once it was.
You've had some really interesting videos the last few weeks. While they haven't gotten the same number of views compared to the stadium or place specific videos, I appreciate that you're covering 'concepts' like this. Keep up the good work man!
Syracuse University played in Archbold Stadium which was the one of only three concrete stadium in the nation when it was built in 1907, displacing Harvard as the largest in the nation but it had no seats, you sat on the concrete steps. The Orange played there until 1979 when it had to be replaced as the old bowl was falling apart at the seams. So they built the Carrier Dome when the state dropped a bundle on the university in an election year and they played all their games on the road for two years til the dome was ready in 1980 because the new stadium sat on the footprint of the old stadium. The Dome has been renovated recently to replace the teflon dome with a fixed roof and a new scoreboard. The idea was to build it on campus because the stadium is a revenue generator for the university.
Just watched a show earlier, on Fox Nation, called American Built. Was all about the history of Michigan Stadium being built. How they wanted it to be the largest capacity and how they literally built it on a hill in nearby farmland. College stadiums have that "it" that NFL ones lack.
@Ed Carman I think the conference you're referring to is the "Big More Teams Than Fingers So We Can Only Count Ten Conference". I actually remember a time, in the 1990s, when Michigan beat Ohio State every year, even in years the Wolverines had a much worse record. Then Ohio State switched coaches and has won most of the games since then.
Most college stadiums are part of the larger campus. The stadiums are just a building like the music hall or Classroom buildings. They get renovated but they are part of the school. There is something about being a student on campus and being able to walk to the games. That is part of the pa gentry of college football. Students at USC or UCLA must drive to the games at the Coliseum or the Rose Bowl. Most major college football teams are part of the state university system so the football stadium is usually state property and would require the state to build a new one. Many of these stadiums are considered historic landmarks, which means you can renovate them but not tear them down.
Crazy. Nice to see these colleges display some bit of pride with their alumni. Keyword: some. You should do a video on why certain college teams share venues with professional teams (Miami Hurricanes with the Dolphins, NC State with the Carolina Hurricanes, why certain teams play at MSG, etc.)
I'll tell why. Why pay for a stadium when the NFL team already have one and the NFL team is not going to say no because that's extra money that NFL team is going to make from that college football team.
Let me answer this question as a UMiami alum. The reason why we don't play on campus is complicated, but also extremely simple. 1) Our main campus is located in Coral Gables, and it isn't a huge swath of land. In other words, we simply do not have the room to build a facility befitting the program on campus. Even if the University were to purchase some of the land that surrounds campus, it would be cost prohibitive due to the fact that Coral Gables has some of the highest land values in the country. The house I lived in off campus during my Undergrad and grad school years is worth over a million dollars, and it was your run of the mill college duplex. Imagine purchasing hundreds of homes with similar valuation just so you could clear the space for a stadium. You'd be out a ton of money before you put the first shovel in the ground. That's not even including infrastructure improvements, which the City of Coral Gables would throw a fit over. UMiami has a tense relationship with the City it calls home, and it shows up on major projects. An example would be our on campus basketball arena. The building was designed to seat 10,000 people, but the City refuses to grant the school an occupancy certificate for that capacity. Therefore, the arena has rows of concrete where seats should be, and most likely never will. 2)We are a small private institution. People wrongly assume Miami is like Alabama, or Florida, or FSU, when in reality, The University of Miami has a student body the size of Duke, or Southern Cal. Even if you managed to build a stadium on campus, and every student showed up every week, you'd only have around 10,000 undergrad students in the building. It's a lot different than schools like Ohio State and Michigan, where you can easily count on 20,000 students in the building, and you want to make it easy for them to show up. 3) The bulk of Miami's fanbase and alumni(What few that live in South Florida), doesn't live in metro Miami and getting to Coral Gables would be time and cost prohibitive. If you've ever driven in South Florida, you know that US-1 is a long parking lot on a great day. Now imagine trying to get 10-20 thousand vehicles to campus on Saturday, most of which are coming from Broward and the northern part of Miami-Dade county. It would be a nightmare. Take it from someone that attended hundreds of Miami basketball games and sat in miserable traffic afterwards, it's bad. To scale that up for a football facility would be a nightmare. Playing at Hard Rock Stadium fixes that problem. The bulk of the local alumni can easily access the facility, the students get to ride nice AC buses to get there and there's plenty of parking. Oh, did I mention that the Dolphins pay to keep the stadium in top shape and the school isn't stuck dealing with the City of Coral Gables for renovations? That's why Miami plays off campus. I can imagine it's extremely similar for Pitt and the other schools as well. Keep in mind that Pitt gave up their on campus stadium, which I believe was a mistake.
@@djtrankilo231 When the team is decent, the attendance is decent. Miami isn't Tuscaloosa where you don't have entertainment options. Miami can't fill the stadium on alumni and students alone, they need the locals to care.
Seeing Neyland in this video reminds me of how they’re doing renovations on the stadium this year, and in ways I’m wondering how they are gonna be changing the stadium.
our local University (SIUC in Carbondale) replaced their football stadium about 13 years ago, but it was getting run down and to be honest, being a 1AA school, doesn't have all THAT much history behind it compared to a "storied" Big 10 or SEC school like Auburn or Michigan and the cost to replace was not all that much compared to the cost to replace one of the big BCS school's huge stadiums which at this point would cost north of 1 billion (I think the total cost to build the new stadium for SIU was around 90 million or so).
I attended UNT at Denton and what they did is tear down a perfectly good stadium and replaced it by charging all students $10 a credit hour for next 20 to 30 years to pay for the pos. The univ. is for the most part a commuter school that never has had a team worth a crap.
I lived in an arpartment in the shadow of Tuscaloosa's Bryant Denny stadium through most of graduate school in the 1980's. I took my son to a game a few years ago, and while the stadium still has the same name and location, it bears little resemblence to the facility I remember. Then again, you can say that about large portions of the campus. And areas around the campus.
@@DNSKansas That was true for me too. They also claimed that playing in Birminghan was a plus for recruiting. The best Tuscaloosa home game was usually homecoming - and that was because, as a physics graduate student, I had a great seat for most bonfires / fireworks on the roof of the physics building.
I don't know about Alabama but when I go to a game in Athens it's pretty much the same...of course, new buildings have gone up and the stadium is bigger but otherwise you still walk down the hill from old college down the same streets
@@larryhatcher8927 Understood. When I took my son a few years ago, I managed to not get lost. The apartment I lived in was still there, but surrounded by large, new, fancy apartments. Physics building still looked the same. A few of the streets around Bryant Denny are gone though.
Another reason is that larger schools have wealthy alums who own construction companies. They often donate materials, discount labor, etc. and get a nice tax write-off. At the same time keeping their work force employed during slower times of the year. They can also brag they renovated Stadium X and that drums up business among other alums who like to patronize fans of their school. The school gets materials and labor donated or heavily discounted, shaving thousands to millions off a project. Sometimes several alums will share the donation and work, one giving construction vehicles, a second materials, design skills from a third, and maybe specialized contracting from a fourth. "In kind" donations are the lifeblood of a good university fund-raising "development" program. Would you donate all the XYZ if we build it?
For the same reason European soccer stadiums don't get replaced; because the teams aren't going anywhere. Without the threat of relocation, teams can't blackmail governments for public money to help build new stadiums every 20 or so years. If they absolutely have to build new rather than renovating, they usually have to foot the bill entirely on their own. This is also part of the reason why college stadiums have larger capacities, better atmospheres, etc. This is also the reason why the NFL has effectively banned a situation like the GB Packers' community ownership from being replicated anywhere else. The Packers aren't going anywhere so neither is Lambeau Field and the NFL doesn't like this since Lambeau doesn't pull in the type of money that the spaceship that landed on top of Soldier Field does.
@@forgottenplaces9780 Well that's just to run the team and keep the lights on. Imagine if they had to build a billoon dollar stadium on top of that. And they're not being forced to pay for it. The fans who bbn invest in the Packers do so voluntarily, not through blackmail and not by the decision of a politician. Plus the money they're putting in will never be in vain. Sure a city can pay to build a stadium today but thatvonly buys that team for about 20 years before the owners come by again with their hands out. GB pays that money knowing what they're paying for and why. Knowing that their fellow citizens will never be priced out of being fans and that that team will never be the LA Packers.
@@forgottenplaces9780 I misread your point. I know they built Emirates and the New Wembley as well as the Olympic stadium. But Emirates was built by the owners. The other two are national stadiums. The only reaskn the Olympic was given to the Hammers was to avoid a white elephant. Clubs themselves couldn't do this. It also doesn't that there are dozens of clubs in London. US sports tend to spread out their limited franchises so that a large are supports a single team. It is much more contrived here towards money and marketing.
The U of Minnesota football team played in Memorial stadium from 1924-1981. They played at the HHH Metrodome for 29 years when a new stadium was erected in 2009.
I love historic stadiums - like Lambeau Field & Camp Randall - but attending UMN I also enjoy having stadiums that are flat out *nicer* like Huntington Bank Stadium @ the U or US Bank stadium across the Mississippi.
Many old stadiums are tucked into square lots in the middle of the community and near the campus. It makes no sense to build a new stadium on the outskirts of town where students will have more trouble making it to the game.
I never thought about this until I saw the video recommendation on my homepage. It's so true though, most these teams have played in their respective stadium's for as long as they have played. Cool video.
Don't let the cheap tickets fool you colleges make tens of millions of dollars per game sometimes over a hundred million dollars per game so even without donations they are just fine
College or high school stadiums or fields willl usually remain the same,there will most likely be some kind of crowd because of students time at school and the parents and you don't have to pay athletes in school plus just the overall tradition!
A other issue is the land there's no land near the school so theyd end up needing to move the arena far away from the school or they'd have to find a temp arena while the old one is knocked down and rebuild cuz you are not doing that from the end of the season till the start of next season ...also gotta remember if dorms are close by there is probly going be no work after 8pm during school so probly looking at 24 months minimum to knock down the old one and build the new one if not 30+ months
How many of those are friends of students, students from other schools, hs school students and alumni? Sure theres many people that arent students there but the students always get first crack at tickets
@@forgottenplaces9780 Not always. The major schools that always are at capacity, the stadiums in your video, actually have a set number of student seating. Depending on demand, freshman aren't guaranteed a seat every game.
I agree, Tim. An interesting video but that's the one statement I disagreed with. For major programs, the team's market are the alumni and other fans who pay big bucks not only for the tickets themselves, but also for the right to even buy the tickets. Discounted tickets for students are only a small fraction of the stadium. And at least in the SEC when I went to school, students from other schools get no discount. They pay full price.
@David Pietras I always wondered what nicknames other schools had for fans of their programs that never went to the school... so Notre Dame has Subway Alumni, Michigan has Walmart Wolverines, I'm sure there's a lot more out there
After 27 years of playing in the stadium alabma football used to call home, my alma mater now plays in the new Protective Stadium. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to go to a home game this year, but hopefully I can make one next year.
unlike NFL teams that can pick up and move cities, universities are kind of grounded in place. Michigan is not going to move to Iowa for better weather and more space.
I was shocked several years ago when the University of Houston built a brand new stadium in lieu of updating or renovating Jeppesen Stadium. Rice University chose to update their stadium that was built in the 1930s, and had hosted Super Bowl VIII.
Seems that college teams that changed stadiums used to share with an NFL team(Metrodome)....take away those teams and that makes college teams playing in new homes list even smaller.
California Memorial Stadium, built 1923 and renovated 2010-2012. I worked in the university's capital projects department. The only thing new during this renovation was the press box/lux boxes and event areas, training facility for male and female athletes and the base isolators holding the walls of the stadium since it sits directly on an earthquake fault. $550m for this project with commercial loans of 30 years.
My college team did replace their football stadium more recently than most colleges, though still a very long time ago by NFL standards. Kansas State University constructed its current stadium in 1968, replacing a much smaller stadium (still standing) at the other end of the campus, due to the fact that the architectural design of the old stadium would have required the school to completely demolish the existing structure to build a new one that was large enough. Thus, it was actually cheaper to build a new stadium at a new location.
Most older stadiums are on campus, and I imagine there's rarely a great site to build an entirely new stadium. Also, colleges can't bully their hometowns with threats to relocate to LA. So, the upgrades are more likely to be subtle and over time.
Camp Randall is actually undergoing a renovation right now. They are removing the south endzone concrete seating and replacing them with luxury seats and amenities
the stadium at Univ. of Utah needed to be replaced to host the ceremonies for the 2002 Olympic Winter games; otherwise it might have only been recently considered, with the success in the PAC 12 conference.
also, any further expansion wil be insanely difficult, with the stadium actually trapped between two major thoroughfares. It might go upward somehow, but will never expand outward.
Throw in the uprising by Faculty & Staff if a $ 1 point whatever billion stadium were built & nothing goes toward raises for staff, faculty, buildings, & so forth. University of Alabama is currently undergoing a $600 million or so renovations athletic facilities, trying to determine to either gut & renovate 60 year old Coleman Coliseum or build a completely new facility. UA does donate a million or two dollars every year for faculty retention & fellowships.
Hell the big house is just like a new stadium they have had major renovations in the last 10 years and is the best place for a college football game in the whole nation
I don't think i could argue with anything you said. The Badgers basketball got a new "arena" but that was because of a donation from Herb Kohl ("The Kohl Center") but they continue to simply refurbish and renovate Camp Randall... thus the visible areas are state of the art, but the concourses are hopelessely outdated. I once got lost under the physical infrastructure and it is circa 1885 and extremely disorienting
The game experience is a big one. At a lot of these big stadiums you stand the entire game and almost everyone doesn’t leave their seat. Also the majority don’t sell alcohol or any decent concessions. It’s kind of amazing how little revenue the school generates per fan vs what is possible like in the NFL that really monetizes the entire experience.
The primary market for top-tier college football isn’t students; it’s alumni, and not just in luxury boxes, but in regular stadium seating that few students (and regular folk) can afford to fork out for season tickets.
Yea, colleges usually can't build another stadium because there's no space for it - or they'd have to tear down the current one and play somewhere else for a few years; and they can't just build it across town because then it's not on campus (it doesn't matter for NFL teams to move downtown, suburbs, whatever). For example, UCLA plays at the Rose Bowl which is ~45 min drive from campus (on a good day!) and students can't just walk over from the dorms. But there's nowhere on campus to build a stadium, plus enough parking etc.
Georgetown University had the same problem with its basketball team during the eighties. The old McDonough Arena seats 2,200, and the main campus sits on tight real estate with little room to build. When Patrick Ewing arrived in 1982, games were moved to Landover, MD where the Bullets played and continued to share with the Wizards when they moved to Chinatown in the 1990s. The campus is really tight, and the FAA places strict construction restrictions because of planes landing at Reagan National. It's also the reason why undergraduate admissions are competitive.
College football tends to be more nostalgic. Fans of Michigan, USC, notre dame and many many more hold their stadium in the same high regards as say lambeau field or fenway park.
The main reason is money. The schools own the stadium and would have to pay for the replacement. USC does not own the Coliseum. It’s next door to, but not on the campus. It’s owned by the state, city and county, but USC now has a 99 year master lease.
I wish the NFL would do the "quantity" thing and design their venues to pack in the bodies with cheap seats. I'm thinking if the average family of 4 could go see an NFL game for under $200 including parking, you could pack the stands in the right market(think Chicago, Green Bay, or if the Raiders had moved to So Cal or stayed in the Bay area). Granted thats no hot dogs, no beer, bring your own water type of price.
Unfortunately, you concentrated on a select few stadiums to the determent of some stadiums larger and more expensive. Texas A&M University's Kyle Field, which seats 102,733 and is the NCAA's fourth largest stadium, had a 500 million dollar renovation in 2015. This is the largest amount, to date, spent on a college stadium renovation. However, you mentioned Michigan's 227 million dollar renovation in 2010 as well as the LA Coliseum's 315 million dollar renovation in 2018.
With over 100 cfb stadiums obviously i had to narrow the scope a bit, kyle field while techically old is vastly different from its original iteration and much of that stadium isnt in the realm of being nearly 100 years old
Most of Kyle Field's original 1927 structure (sans its north end zone "horseshoe", demolished in the 1990's to make room for a new multi-deck replacement) survived until 2014 when it was demolished in order to build new stands at a steeper angle to have better sight lines. Today, the oldest portion of the stadium is the second deck on the east (student) side, which dates from the 1950's or 60's.
They don't normally build new stadiums. Just upgrade them. Look at memorial stadium in Lincoln Nebraska at university of Nebraska Nebraska. Same stadium since forever. Went from 20k in the early 1900s to now having a capacity of 90k-95k today
Interesting that you used a picture of Notre Dame stadium (1930) from after its 1997 expansion which added 20K seats and a larger press box. But the theme of the video would have better served by its 2017 $400M renovation when they surrounded the stadium by three closely adjacent new classroom buildings, which included an even larger press box in the western bldg, luxury seating in and on top of the eastern bldg, and a 95ft Jumbotron attached to the South bldg.
It's too bad the University of KY got rid of Stoll Field...they could've at least kept it as a practice facility or something like Memorial Coliseum...they were in fact right across the street from each other.
Lambeau Field is the one NFL stadium that meets most of the preservation points as a college football stadium. The stadium is ancient, has bench seating to accommodate as man spectators as possible. But most importantly it is embedded into the fabric of the city of Green Bay. It is literally in the middle of a neighborhood. What I find interesting is that it is only the NFL that has only one of the big 4 leagues (MLS does not count yet, it's still too young to have classic stadiums) one of these types of stadiums or arenas that qualify. Could anyone imagine the Knicks not ever playing in Madison Square Garden, or the Red Sox playing anywhere else than Fenway, or the Canadiens playing anywhere else but the Molson Centre?!! (Center Bell now. That is sacrilegious, but it's at least the same arena). I would like to see more longevity for NFL stadiums. Well maybe not for the Bills, they definitely need a new one. But create and build something ICONIC!! That says this is Buffalo!! And this stadium will be here and updated for the next 200 years! 😉
One college stadium there's no excuse for and needs to be replaced is Northwestern's Ryan Field. They're in a major conference, occasionally play in a big bowl game, and are located in the third largest media market. Yet they play in an overgrown high school stadium. WTF?!
Yeah, if you're going out of your way to buy own and operate a football team, you better have a way to fund it for the long term, and that includes having the private funds (your own) to build a new stadium. Most of us in Pittsburgh and the region are highly against using tax payer money to fund a new operation. We love all of our teams here. Pro and college, but we're not trying to make you a tax payer liability.
Channel is forgotten places, but like, these are some of the LEAST forgotten places ever. I know channel name =/= what every single video is about, just thought it's funny that locations which, as a class, have probably had more people travel through them than any comparably sized areas on the planet, are on a channel named Forgotten Places.
The reason the channel is called Forgotten Places is because i used to go visit abandoned places in my car (if u watch the oldest videos u can see) obviously the channel has evolved a lot since then, so now its more of a name but also sometimes about forgotten places, I get tired of name changes (such as the guardians) etc, and theres too much branding within the videos plus i just like how it is so I stick with it
The two stadiums they mentioned that were recently built both have capacity of under 60K. The major college stadiums around (those that hold 90K plus) are the last of a breed. We won't see any more college or pro stadiums that big...TV has taken care of that. Also, there is the fact that the major schools demand big donations these days for tickets. Most people don't want to pay thousands for tickets and then sit on bleachers. Football has changed in the last 50 years. In a by gone era there were many fans who never saw a game.....they listen to them on the radio. These legendary play by play announcers are also a dying breed. These days you can watch your favorite team almost every week
1:35 - 1:51 well... unless if it's just conference realignments, of some sort, that threatens the , probably, bigger basketball program within that same school. But, I know, we're talking about stadiums here. Not one sport dictating the rest of the sports in its school.
Oddly enough, I feel like this is a more roundabout way of saying "Colleges own the land stadiums are built on. NFL teams typically don't." This is me editorializing a bit, but soccer stadiums for example are more comparable to college football: most are owned by the club, most aren't replaced but instead renovated. American business practices make it harder to claim one venue as home and owners let them die to get new ones someplace else
I mean they may save some money there but thats not why new stadiums get built in the nfl vs not so much in college land is not isually the issue its the desire to keep having the latest and greatest in the nfl
As more and more Asians and Asian Americans are enrolled in the schools,there can be a pushback against football as a very small percentage of them play and many of them are more serious about their studies than are others.
Actually that stadium is on the Hayward fault, not the San Andreas. But that land belongs to the state of California and moving the stadium off campus would mean acquiring new land, which is really pricey in the Bay Area.
Maybe I take "old school" to a ridiculous degree, but I'd rather sit on a "bench" seat at a college game than in the luxury of Jerryworld. I like understatement. Hate glitz. As a Big Ten undergrad I loved the atmosphere of Fall Saturdays, even the cold of November games. I once went to a Sugar Bowl game at the Superdome (fairly new then). Hated it. It all felt plastic and phony. Live out west now. No desire to spend a fortune to go to a game at say, SoFi stadium.
I went to Michigan games growing up and there was a certain sentiment to the biggest stadium in the country being little more than a hole in the ground with benches around it. The luxury boxes help keep the roar of the crowd in so it's much louder than it used to be but I liked the old Big House a lot better.
The college stadiums are so much better than the new venues. When you walk into those places, you are walking into a historical site. All of the memories and the history is in those old stadiums. They have nicknames. The represent tradition and passion. This is nothing like going to "Kool Aid" stadium or some other billion dollar corporate place
One point that you didn't mention is that stadiums take up a large footprint on a university's campus and most have already densely developed their campus including registered historical buildings that can't be easily removed so it may require them to build on top of the current stadium footprint whether or not it's otherwise the best option
Exactly this. There are, of course, teams who play off campus but their in-stadium experience is much worse even when they're good.
@@JuanWayTrips Great example of this, Miami. Ever since they demolished the orange bowl.
That's what UMASS did. They tore down the original stadium and rebuilt on the site over 4 or 5 years.
@@hitdawg64 well its umass, not like they actually need a stadium or a football team
@@corvetteusa01 Actually, the Orange Bowl wasn't on campus. But the atmosphere there was often electric.
Trying to get the public to vote yes on a bond for a new stadium is almost impossible now. Taxpayers have had enough of spending money for stadiums, whether it's for a school or pro team.
Im still curious how San Diego did it
(Not a bond issue iirc, but still millions of dollars involved)
Qualcomm had to go down either way, and they went with the measure that costed more (giving it to the public school aka SDSU) over selling it for narket value to Soccer City, and i wanna say begotiating certain payments on the cleanup and such.
"He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want" (Proverbs 22:16, KJV).
Yet new stadiums are built almost every few years.
NFL Team Owners: Give us a new stadium every 20 years!
Colleges and University operators: If it ain't broke, don't replace it.
There actually was a large run of replacements in the 60s and 70s along with Circular Basketball field houses that you still see. Many of the stadiums had a similar 2 deck design with open end zones. Essentially ended with West Virginia’s Mountaineer Field. 9 times out of 10 it was new land that the school bought and they wanted to clear space in the older main campus Area.
Syracuse is one of the few to replace a stadium on the same site in 1980 with the Carrier Dome. Meant playing a season eternally on the road. Not good. Why they renovated the roof last year by using much of the same design so they could do it in 7 months.
I've always appreciated the fact that these old colloseums are still standing, preserving the history of the school's football program. It's more about supporting its diehard fanbase than catering to the bourgeoisie fans that go there for clout.
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You do realize that these “diehard fan base” will age and then at that point, who will replace them? Who will be your fans now? Because they die of old age.
This is why you need to focus on the younger generation because they will be your long term fan base. This is what keeps you relevant for years to come.
@@robert2690 That's something we don't think about at Georgia. We have been playing football for almost a 130 years. Orher than the size of the stadium the games have pretty much been the same since 1929. The difference? This teams did not a 9 digit check for TV revenue
lived in 'cuse for 29 years. the dome works well. Fact: New York state has a priority for use. Field band championships, football championships, and other activities. Cost: 25 million (1979). also; FAU built a similar concept.
The Horseshoe at Ohio State will be 100 years old in 2022.
I think of the Saturdays as a young man my Dad watching the Buckeyes play with Woody Hayes as the coach.
A common thread between most of the new college football stadiums at the FBS level built since the year 2000 is that they are on-campus venues replacing off-campus ones. Other than the stadiums teams share with an NFL team, students are closer to the new stadium than the old one.
Very true, a perfect example of this is UNLV, which moved from its own facility, Sam Boyd Stadium, which was 8 miles away from campus, to Allegiant Stadium, also home of the Las Vegas Raiders, as well as a much closer distance to campus
@@JDawg3DX- no Raiders no Allegiant Stadium and UnLV would still play at their old stadium. UnLV benefitted from the pro team.
A better example is UCF, which built an on-campus stadium not long ago rather than play at the much nicer Citrus Bowl (or whatever sponsor it has now) in downtown Orlando. USF is currently spending $600 million in Tampa doing the same thing.
@@RobMacQ The trend toward new on-campus stadiums began when Louisville moved from the stadium at the Kentucky state fairgrounds to their own facility in 1998. Akron, FAU, Minnesota, SMU, South Alabama, Tulane, and UCF have all vacated municipally-owned off-campus stadiums as well. In addition, Baylor and Colorado State have built new stadiums to replace ones they owned, but were located several miles from campus.
UNLV abandoned its own facility to become a tenant at Allegiant Stadium, but similar to Baylor and Colorado State’s old stadiums, Sam Boyd was separated from the main campus by miles of suburban sprawl. The reality is that a stadium was going to be built near the Strip eventually, and with UNLV just a few blocks away, the Rebels were always going to relocate once it was.
At the FCS level, Portland State’s football team moved further off campus, to Hillsboro.
You've had some really interesting videos the last few weeks. While they haven't gotten the same number of views compared to the stadium or place specific videos, I appreciate that you're covering 'concepts' like this. Keep up the good work man!
Syracuse University played in Archbold Stadium which was the one of only three concrete stadium in the nation when it was built in 1907, displacing Harvard as the largest in the nation but it had no seats, you sat on the concrete steps. The Orange played there until 1979 when it had to be replaced as the old bowl was falling apart at the seams. So they built the Carrier Dome when the state dropped a bundle on the university in an election year and they played all their games on the road for two years til the dome was ready in 1980 because the new stadium sat on the footprint of the old stadium. The Dome has been renovated recently to replace the teflon dome with a fixed roof and a new scoreboard. The idea was to build it on campus because the stadium is a revenue generator for the university.
Just watched a show earlier, on Fox Nation, called American Built. Was all about the history of Michigan Stadium being built. How they wanted it to be the largest capacity and how they literally built it on a hill in nearby farmland. College stadiums have that "it" that NFL ones lack.
As a bears fan. Lambeau and the browns stadium are very similar. I would have thrown my team in there if the updated correctly.
can I send a link to that?
I live in Ann arbor and know some of the history of that stadium
@@maxxmich let me know if you get it I want to see it too
@Ed Carman weird timing
@Ed Carman I think the conference you're referring to is the "Big More Teams Than Fingers So We Can Only Count Ten Conference". I actually remember a time, in the 1990s, when Michigan beat Ohio State every year, even in years the Wolverines had a much worse record. Then Ohio State switched coaches and has won most of the games since then.
Wow, this video is talking about how the stadiums are old, but oh man, they sure have amazing stadiums compared to my school...
They actually, at one time, made them to have character…
Most college stadiums are part of the larger campus. The stadiums are just a building like the music hall or Classroom buildings. They get renovated but they are part of the school. There is something about being a student on campus and being able to walk to the games. That is part of the pa gentry of college football. Students at USC or UCLA must drive to the games at the Coliseum or the Rose Bowl. Most major college football teams are part of the state university system so the football stadium is usually state property and would require the state to build a new one. Many of these stadiums are considered historic landmarks, which means you can renovate them but not tear them down.
I have a feeling in 25 to 50 years we might see some stadiums replaced
USC is on campus. And yeah, the Westside of LA is so expensive they will never be able to build an on campus football stadium for UCLA.
Crazy. Nice to see these colleges display some bit of pride with their alumni. Keyword: some. You should do a video on why certain college teams share venues with professional teams (Miami Hurricanes with the Dolphins, NC State with the Carolina Hurricanes, why certain teams play at MSG, etc.)
I'll tell why. Why pay for a stadium when the NFL team already have one and the NFL team is not going to say no because that's extra money that NFL team is going to make from that college football team.
Let me answer this question as a UMiami alum.
The reason why we don't play on campus is complicated, but also extremely simple.
1) Our main campus is located in Coral Gables, and it isn't a huge swath of land. In other words, we simply do not have the room to build a facility befitting the program on campus. Even if the University were to purchase some of the land that surrounds campus, it would be cost prohibitive due to the fact that Coral Gables has some of the highest land values in the country. The house I lived in off campus during my Undergrad and grad school years is worth over a million dollars, and it was your run of the mill college duplex.
Imagine purchasing hundreds of homes with similar valuation just so you could clear the space for a stadium. You'd be out a ton of money before you put the first shovel in the ground. That's not even including infrastructure improvements, which the City of Coral Gables would throw a fit over. UMiami has a tense relationship with the City it calls home, and it shows up on major projects. An example would be our on campus basketball arena. The building was designed to seat 10,000 people, but the City refuses to grant the school an occupancy certificate for that capacity. Therefore, the arena has rows of concrete where seats should be, and most likely never will.
2)We are a small private institution. People wrongly assume Miami is like Alabama, or Florida, or FSU, when in reality, The University of Miami has a student body the size of Duke, or Southern Cal. Even if you managed to build a stadium on campus, and every student showed up every week, you'd only have around 10,000 undergrad students in the building. It's a lot different than schools like Ohio State and Michigan, where you can easily count on 20,000 students in the building, and you want to make it easy for them to show up.
3) The bulk of Miami's fanbase and alumni(What few that live in South Florida), doesn't live in metro Miami and getting to Coral Gables would be time and cost prohibitive. If you've ever driven in South Florida, you know that US-1 is a long parking lot on a great day. Now imagine trying to get 10-20 thousand vehicles to campus on Saturday, most of which are coming from Broward and the northern part of Miami-Dade county. It would be a nightmare. Take it from someone that attended hundreds of Miami basketball games and sat in miserable traffic afterwards, it's bad. To scale that up for a football facility would be a nightmare.
Playing at Hard Rock Stadium fixes that problem. The bulk of the local alumni can easily access the facility, the students get to ride nice AC buses to get there and there's plenty of parking. Oh, did I mention that the Dolphins pay to keep the stadium in top shape and the school isn't stuck dealing with the City of Coral Gables for renovations?
That's why Miami plays off campus. I can imagine it's extremely similar for Pitt and the other schools as well. Keep in mind that Pitt gave up their on campus stadium, which I believe was a mistake.
@@Canedude08 no wonder Canes games at Hard Rock do well.
@@djtrankilo231 When the team is decent, the attendance is decent. Miami isn't Tuscaloosa where you don't have entertainment options. Miami can't fill the stadium on alumni and students alone, they need the locals to care.
Seeing Neyland in this video reminds me of how they’re doing renovations on the stadium this year, and in ways I’m wondering how they are gonna be changing the stadium.
I’ve always wondered why they never get replaced , great video
Come to Atlanta we got the oldest stadium in in D1 1913, but unfortunately it's the dark ages for the ball team 😢
our local University (SIUC in Carbondale) replaced their football stadium about 13 years ago, but it was getting run down and to be honest, being a 1AA school, doesn't have all THAT much history behind it compared to a "storied" Big 10 or SEC school like Auburn or Michigan and the cost to replace was not all that much compared to the cost to replace one of the big BCS school's huge stadiums which at this point would cost north of 1 billion (I think the total cost to build the new stadium for SIU was around 90 million or so).
I attended UNT at Denton and what they did is tear down a perfectly good stadium and replaced it by charging all students $10 a credit hour for next 20 to 30 years to pay for the pos. The univ. is for the most part a commuter school that never has had a team worth a crap.
UNT’s first claim to fame was Charles Edward “Mean” Joe Greene. They were pretty salty during his time there, posting a 23-5-1 record.
I lived in an arpartment in the shadow of Tuscaloosa's Bryant Denny stadium through most of graduate school in the 1980's. I took my son to a game a few years ago, and while the stadium still has the same name and location, it bears little resemblence to the facility I remember. Then again, you can say that about large portions of the campus. And areas around the campus.
Alabama didn't play its biggest games at Bryant-Denny when you were in school because it was less profitable than playing in Birmingham.
@@DNSKansas That was true for me too. They also claimed that playing in Birminghan was a plus for recruiting. The best Tuscaloosa home game was usually homecoming - and that was because, as a physics graduate student, I had a great seat for most bonfires / fireworks on the roof of the physics building.
I don't know about Alabama but when I go to a game in Athens it's pretty much the same...of course, new buildings have gone up and the stadium is bigger but otherwise you still walk down the hill from old college down the same streets
@@larryhatcher8927 Understood. When I took my son a few years ago, I managed to not get lost. The apartment I lived in was still there, but surrounded by large, new, fancy apartments. Physics building still looked the same. A few of the streets around Bryant Denny are gone though.
Keep up the work
Good video and good points.
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Well thought out content. Made sense.
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High quality video without any fluff. It’s perfect.
Another reason is that larger schools have wealthy alums who own construction companies. They often donate materials, discount labor, etc. and get a nice tax write-off. At the same time keeping their work force employed during slower times of the year. They can also brag they renovated Stadium X and that drums up business among other alums who like to patronize fans of their school. The school gets materials and labor donated or heavily discounted, shaving thousands to millions off a project. Sometimes several alums will share the donation and work, one giving construction vehicles, a second materials, design skills from a third, and maybe specialized contracting from a fourth. "In kind" donations are the lifeblood of a good university fund-raising "development" program. Would you donate all the XYZ if we build it?
For the same reason European soccer stadiums don't get replaced; because the teams aren't going anywhere. Without the threat of relocation, teams can't blackmail governments for public money to help build new stadiums every 20 or so years. If they absolutely have to build new rather than renovating, they usually have to foot the bill entirely on their own. This is also part of the reason why college stadiums have larger capacities, better atmospheres, etc.
This is also the reason why the NFL has effectively banned a situation like the GB Packers' community ownership from being replicated anywhere else. The Packers aren't going anywhere so neither is Lambeau Field and the NFL doesn't like this since Lambeau doesn't pull in the type of money that the spaceship that landed on top of Soldier Field does.
They have put very large sums of money amounting to almost the cost of an entire new stadium in gb tho
@@forgottenplaces9780 Well that's just to run the team and keep the lights on. Imagine if they had to build a billoon dollar stadium on top of that. And they're not being forced to pay for it. The fans who bbn invest in the Packers do so voluntarily, not through blackmail and not by the decision of a politician. Plus the money they're putting in will never be in vain. Sure a city can pay to build a stadium today but thatvonly buys that team for about 20 years before the owners come by again with their hands out. GB pays that money knowing what they're paying for and why. Knowing that their fellow citizens will never be priced out of being fans and that that team will never be the LA Packers.
@@forgottenplaces9780 I misread your point. I know they built Emirates and the New Wembley as well as the Olympic stadium. But Emirates was built by the owners. The other two are national stadiums. The only reaskn the Olympic was given to the Hammers was to avoid a white elephant. Clubs themselves couldn't do this. It also doesn't that there are dozens of clubs in London. US sports tend to spread out their limited franchises so that a large are supports a single team. It is much more contrived here towards money and marketing.
The U of Minnesota football team played in Memorial stadium from 1924-1981. They played at the HHH Metrodome for 29 years when a new stadium was erected in 2009.
As i mentioned in the video they got a new stadium…
I love historic stadiums - like Lambeau Field & Camp Randall - but attending UMN I also enjoy having stadiums that are flat out *nicer* like Huntington Bank Stadium @ the U or US Bank stadium across the Mississippi.
University of Kentucky moves to Louisville. The University of Louisville moves and becomes the University of Lexington.
Many old stadiums are tucked into square lots in the middle of the community and near the campus. It makes no sense to build a new stadium on the outskirts of town where students will have more trouble making it to the game.
I never thought about this until I saw the video recommendation on my homepage. It's so true though, most these teams have played in their respective stadium's for as long as they have played. Cool video.
Tennessee's Neyland stadium on some areas looks like it has apartments and classrooms underneath!
Don't let the cheap tickets fool you colleges make tens of millions of dollars per game sometimes over a hundred million dollars per game so even without donations they are just fine
College or high school stadiums or fields willl usually remain the same,there will most likely be some kind of crowd because of students time at school and the parents and you don't have to pay athletes in school plus just the overall tradition!
Nothing else matters when labor is free.
The new should keep old stadiums. Ohio stadium is much better then first energy or Paul brown here in Ohio
BUCKEYES SUCK
It has a better atmosphere (louder) but as an overall fan experience, this is absolutely false
I went in to see Notre Dame Stadium once.
Then I went back home.
A other issue is the land there's no land near the school so theyd end up needing to move the arena far away from the school or they'd have to find a temp arena while the old one is knocked down and rebuild cuz you are not doing that from the end of the season till the start of next season ...also gotta remember if dorms are close by there is probly going be no work after 8pm during school so probly looking at 24 months minimum to knock down the old one and build the new one if not 30+ months
College team's market are typically students? The non students in the stadium always outnumber the students by a large margin.
How many of those are friends of students, students from other schools, hs school students and alumni? Sure theres many people that arent students there but the students always get first crack at tickets
@@forgottenplaces9780 Not always. The major schools that always are at capacity, the stadiums in your video, actually have a set number of student seating. Depending on demand, freshman aren't guaranteed a seat every game.
@@reubensandwich9249 they can and do get them off the secondary market
I agree, Tim. An interesting video but that's the one statement I disagreed with. For major programs, the team's market are the alumni and other fans who pay big bucks not only for the tickets themselves, but also for the right to even buy the tickets. Discounted tickets for students are only a small fraction of the stadium. And at least in the SEC when I went to school, students from other schools get no discount. They pay full price.
@David Pietras I always wondered what nicknames other schools had for fans of their programs that never went to the school... so Notre Dame has Subway Alumni, Michigan has Walmart Wolverines, I'm sure there's a lot more out there
I totally called the “cannot threaten to move” answer when watching this
After 27 years of playing in the stadium alabma football used to call home, my alma mater now plays in the new Protective Stadium. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to go to a home game this year, but hopefully I can make one next year.
God I love Neyland stadium. Huge Vols fan from Missouri. Someday I'll see it and hear Rocky top in person
Tuesday, 14th December 2021
There can never be >= 1 "God"!
Love the old stadiums
unlike NFL teams that can pick up and move cities, universities are kind of grounded in place. Michigan is not going to move to Iowa for better weather and more space.
One more reason why I prefer college football over professional.
I was shocked several years ago when the University of Houston built a brand new stadium in lieu of updating or renovating Jeppesen Stadium.
Rice University chose to update their stadium that was built in the 1930s, and had hosted Super Bowl VIII.
Thank goodness for the college stadiums. Not one of these pro country club stadiums can hold a candle to the atmosphere of the great college stadiums
Seems that college teams that changed stadiums used to share with an NFL team(Metrodome)....take away those teams and that makes college teams playing in new homes list even smaller.
California Memorial Stadium, built 1923 and renovated 2010-2012. I worked in the university's capital projects department. The only thing new during this renovation was the press box/lux boxes and event areas, training facility for male and female athletes and the base isolators holding the walls of the stadium since it sits directly on an earthquake fault. $550m for this project with commercial loans of 30 years.
I was there for a game in 1999.I was astonished when the pa announcer said:"In the event of an earthquake,please remain seated."
My college team did replace their football stadium more recently than most colleges, though still a very long time ago by NFL standards. Kansas State University constructed its current stadium in 1968, replacing a much smaller stadium (still standing) at the other end of the campus, due to the fact that the architectural design of the old stadium would have required the school to completely demolish the existing structure to build a new one that was large enough. Thus, it was actually cheaper to build a new stadium at a new location.
And it has been totally renovated much like many of these. EMAW!
Most older stadiums are on campus, and I imagine there's rarely a great site to build an entirely new stadium. Also, colleges can't bully their hometowns with threats to relocate to LA. So, the upgrades are more likely to be subtle and over time.
Can't come to LA anymore 😀. I wonder what city is the new threat... Portland?
Hey can you do a video on the Georgia Dome next?
Camp Randall is actually undergoing a renovation right now. They are removing the south endzone concrete seating and replacing them with luxury seats and amenities
the stadium at Univ. of Utah needed to be replaced to host the ceremonies for the 2002 Olympic Winter games; otherwise it might have only been recently considered, with the success in the PAC 12 conference.
also, any further expansion wil be insanely difficult, with the stadium actually trapped between two major thoroughfares. It might go upward somehow, but will never expand outward.
Throw in the uprising by Faculty & Staff if a $ 1 point whatever billion stadium were built & nothing goes toward raises for staff, faculty, buildings, & so forth. University of Alabama is currently undergoing a $600 million or so renovations athletic facilities, trying to determine to either gut & renovate 60 year old Coleman Coliseum or build a completely new facility. UA does donate a million or two dollars every year for faculty retention & fellowships.
Hell the big house is just like a new stadium they have had major renovations in the last 10 years and is the best place for a college football game in the whole nation
Huntington Bank bought TCF bank, so it's Huntington Bank Stadium!
LSU(Louisiana State University) Tiger Stadium has been around since the early 1910s, and since, has been getting larger through Expansion.
1:04 It's Huntington Bank Stadium now, it was renamed in June.
I don't think i could argue with anything you said. The Badgers basketball got a new "arena" but that was because of a donation from Herb Kohl ("The Kohl Center") but they continue to simply refurbish and renovate Camp Randall... thus the visible areas are state of the art, but the concourses are hopelessely outdated. I once got lost under the physical infrastructure and it is circa 1885 and extremely disorienting
The game experience is a big one. At a lot of these big stadiums you stand the entire game and almost everyone doesn’t leave their seat. Also the majority don’t sell alcohol or any decent concessions. It’s kind of amazing how little revenue the school generates per fan vs what is possible like in the NFL that really monetizes the entire experience.
The primary market for top-tier college football isn’t students; it’s alumni, and not just in luxury boxes, but in regular stadium seating that few students (and regular folk) can afford to fork out for season tickets.
They don't replace them but they do renovate them about once a decade.
Canadian schools have some recent stadiums
Yea, colleges usually can't build another stadium because there's no space for it - or they'd have to tear down the current one and play somewhere else for a few years; and they can't just build it across town because then it's not on campus (it doesn't matter for NFL teams to move downtown, suburbs, whatever). For example, UCLA plays at the Rose Bowl which is ~45 min drive from campus (on a good day!) and students can't just walk over from the dorms. But there's nowhere on campus to build a stadium, plus enough parking etc.
Georgetown University had the same problem with its basketball team during the eighties. The old McDonough Arena seats 2,200, and the main campus sits on tight real estate with little room to build. When Patrick Ewing arrived in 1982, games were moved to Landover, MD where the Bullets played and continued to share with the Wizards when they moved to Chinatown in the 1990s.
The campus is really tight, and the FAA places strict construction restrictions because of planes landing at Reagan National. It's also the reason why undergraduate admissions are competitive.
Nippert Stadium 5th oldest stadium in the country. Renovated 8 times...
Because they have to pay for it. The college isn't going to move to a new city.
Wake Forest did, haha.
@@MP-dn4bs I didn't know that until now!
Colorado State just replaced their stadium in 2017. The funding process was a nightmare as one can imagine.
College football tends to be more nostalgic. Fans of Michigan, USC, notre dame and many many more hold their stadium in the same high regards as say lambeau field or fenway park.
The main reason is money. The schools own the stadium and would have to pay for the replacement.
USC does not own the Coliseum. It’s next door to, but not on the campus. It’s owned by the state, city and county, but USC now has a 99 year master lease.
I wish the NFL would do the "quantity" thing and design their venues to pack in the bodies with cheap seats. I'm thinking if the average family of 4 could go see an NFL game for under $200 including parking, you could pack the stands in the right market(think Chicago, Green Bay, or if the Raiders had moved to So Cal or stayed in the Bay area). Granted thats no hot dogs, no beer, bring your own water type of price.
Metrodome had a roof problem so that is why it got replaced. Otherwise, I'm sure Minnestoa would still be playing there.
The Gophers left long before the roof collapse at the metrodome, im pretty sure they just wanted an on campus stadium and to not be a tenant team
I'm more surprised they haven't accepted endorsement deals for field or stadium naming rights.
Have you done an episode on Richfield coliseum?
I did a long time ago but it is no longer up
Unfortunately, you concentrated on a select few stadiums to the determent of some stadiums larger and more expensive. Texas A&M University's Kyle Field, which seats 102,733 and is the NCAA's fourth largest stadium, had a 500 million dollar renovation in 2015. This is the largest amount, to date, spent on a college stadium renovation. However, you mentioned Michigan's 227 million dollar renovation in 2010 as well as the LA Coliseum's 315 million dollar renovation in 2018.
With over 100 cfb stadiums obviously i had to narrow the scope a bit, kyle field while techically old is vastly different from its original iteration and much of that stadium isnt in the realm of being nearly 100 years old
Most of Kyle Field's original 1927 structure (sans its north end zone "horseshoe", demolished in the 1990's to make room for a new multi-deck replacement) survived until 2014 when it was demolished in order to build new stands at a steeper angle to have better sight lines. Today, the oldest portion of the stadium is the second deck on the east (student) side, which dates from the 1950's or 60's.
They don't normally build new stadiums. Just upgrade them. Look at memorial stadium in Lincoln Nebraska at university of Nebraska Nebraska. Same stadium since forever. Went from 20k in the early 1900s to now having a capacity of 90k-95k today
Interesting that you used a picture of Notre Dame stadium (1930) from after its 1997 expansion which added 20K seats and a larger press box. But the theme of the video would have better served by its 2017 $400M renovation when they surrounded the stadium by three closely adjacent new classroom buildings, which included an even larger press box in the western bldg, luxury seating in and on top of the eastern bldg, and a 95ft Jumbotron attached to the South bldg.
It's too bad the University of KY got rid of Stoll Field...they could've at least kept it as a practice facility or something like Memorial Coliseum...they were in fact right across the street from each other.
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Lambeau Field is the one NFL stadium that meets most of the preservation points as a college football stadium. The stadium is ancient, has bench seating to accommodate as man spectators as possible. But most importantly it is embedded into the fabric of the city of Green Bay. It is literally in the middle of a neighborhood. What I find interesting is that it is only the NFL that has only one of the big 4 leagues (MLS does not count yet, it's still too young to have classic stadiums) one of these types of stadiums or arenas that qualify. Could anyone imagine the Knicks not ever playing in Madison Square Garden, or the Red Sox playing anywhere else than Fenway, or the Canadiens playing anywhere else but the Molson Centre?!! (Center Bell now. That is sacrilegious, but it's at least the same arena). I would like to see more longevity for NFL stadiums. Well maybe not for the Bills, they definitely need a new one. But create and build something ICONIC!! That says this is Buffalo!! And this stadium will be here and updated for the next 200 years! 😉
Neyland stadium is 100 years old this year
Sometimes NFL teams renovate instead of building new. Lambeau Field and Hard Rock Stadium for instance.
One college stadium there's no excuse for and needs to be replaced is Northwestern's Ryan Field. They're in a major conference, occasionally play in a big bowl game, and are located in the third largest media market. Yet they play in an overgrown high school stadium. WTF?!
I would hate it if Georgia ever replaced Sanford Stadium. It has so much history and tradition. That can never be built.
Davis Wade stadium (Mississippi state) is 107 years old
Yeah, if you're going out of your way to buy own and operate a football team, you better have a way to fund it for the long term, and that includes having the private funds (your own) to build a new stadium. Most of us in Pittsburgh and the region are highly against using tax payer money to fund a new operation. We love all of our teams here. Pro and college, but we're not trying to make you a tax payer liability.
Alumni and nostalgia
What about college hockey, baseball and basketball venues? Are they as old as football venues?
Channel is forgotten places, but like, these are some of the LEAST forgotten places ever. I know channel name =/= what every single video is about, just thought it's funny that locations which, as a class, have probably had more people travel through them than any comparably sized areas on the planet, are on a channel named Forgotten Places.
The reason the channel is called Forgotten Places is because i used to go visit abandoned places in my car (if u watch the oldest videos u can see) obviously the channel has evolved a lot since then, so now its more of a name but also sometimes about forgotten places, I get tired of name changes (such as the guardians) etc, and theres too much branding within the videos plus i just like how it is so I stick with it
The two stadiums they mentioned that were recently built both have capacity of under 60K. The major college stadiums around (those that hold 90K plus) are the last of a breed. We won't see any more college or pro stadiums that big...TV has taken care of that. Also, there is the fact that the major schools demand big donations these days for tickets. Most people don't want to pay thousands for tickets and then sit on bleachers. Football has changed in the last 50 years. In a by gone era there were many fans who never saw a game.....they listen to them on the radio. These legendary play by play announcers are also a dying breed. These days you can watch your favorite team almost every week
1:35 - 1:51 well... unless if it's just conference realignments, of some sort, that threatens the , probably, bigger basketball program within that same school. But, I know, we're talking about stadiums here. Not one sport dictating the rest of the sports in its school.
Especially IVY LEAGUE. VERY ANTIQUATED. But beautiful 😄🍺🍺
Oddly enough, I feel like this is a more roundabout way of saying "Colleges own the land stadiums are built on. NFL teams typically don't."
This is me editorializing a bit, but soccer stadiums for example are more comparable to college football: most are owned by the club, most aren't replaced but instead renovated. American business practices make it harder to claim one venue as home and owners let them die to get new ones someplace else
I mean they may save some money there but thats not why new stadiums get built in the nfl vs not so much in college land is not isually the issue its the desire to keep having the latest and greatest in the nfl
Except when the city owns the venue. See the Orange Bowl
As more and more Asians and Asian Americans are enrolled in the schools,there can be a pushback against football as a very small percentage of them play and many of them are more serious about their studies than are others.
CAL should have gotten a new stadium because we are on the DEADLIEST FAULT IN THE WORKD, instead we rebuild it
Actually that stadium is on the Hayward fault, not the San Andreas. But that land belongs to the state of California and moving the stadium off campus would mean acquiring new land, which is really pricey in the Bay Area.
Bc they just understand
Maybe I take "old school" to a ridiculous degree, but I'd rather sit on a "bench" seat at a college game than in the luxury of Jerryworld. I like understatement. Hate glitz. As a Big Ten undergrad I loved the atmosphere of Fall Saturdays, even the cold of November games. I once went to a Sugar Bowl game at the Superdome (fairly new then). Hated it. It all felt plastic and phony. Live out west now. No desire to spend a fortune to go to a game at say, SoFi stadium.
I went to Michigan games growing up and there was a certain sentiment to the biggest stadium in the country being little more than a hole in the ground with benches around it. The luxury boxes help keep the roar of the crowd in so it's much louder than it used to be but I liked the old Big House a lot better.
The college stadiums are so much better than the new venues. When you walk into those places, you are walking into a historical site. All of the memories and the history is in those old stadiums. They have nicknames. The represent tradition and passion. This is nothing like going to "Kool Aid" stadium or some other billion dollar corporate place
Because colleges can’t threaten to move
And this is one of the reasons I prefer college football over the NFL.