Great you agree about Stans as always worked for me but couldnt convince others how well it works . Now have Tubeless on my Gravel bike but not as foolproof as Industry wants you to believe 👍
Muc Off has a product called BAM. Which comes in a small pressurized can air + sealant. The neat thing about it is you can fix a flat. Inject air + sealant directly to the valve (Presta and Schrader compatible) using the can. I’ve never tried since it’s not sold in my country. The list price is also kind of expensive.
The trick is to take a used tubular as a spare. Just take last year's front tire.Used ones are much easier to mount on the rim. The glue left on the tubular and rim is good enough to hold the tubular on the rim. The whole procedure can be done quite fast. I recommend a small saddle bag. This is more convenient than a packed jersey.
I was hoping you were going to actually repair the tubular by removing the base tape cutting the stitches and patching the tube. But then I saw the length of the video and not long enough. I used to repair my tubulars that way. I got good at it after a while. But once clinchers got good, we all trained on them but raced on tubulars.
The company called trisports makes the seat bag that I use. it's long and holds a tubular folded in thirds perfectly. I use Automotive Slime sealant, about 1/10th the price of bike spec stuff. BTW, I've finally felt that magic buttery smooth ride after swapping my clincher rain wheels off.
Wayne’s - consider yourself a bona fide “influencer” - I have some tubulars on order! I’ve always thought they would be worth trying but I needed the likes of you (and others) to allay my fears enough to give them a go. I hope this experiment ends well for me.
Hi can i put sealant in tubular tire same like a tubeless tire setup so while im using if i got punture will seal the tire or i can put only sealant during puncture?
Thanks for championing 'old technology'. I have tubeless on my road bike, but after a few small holes and dealing with removing the tyre to patch from the inside ( and dealing with rest of the sealant/cleaning rim/re-installing) I considering a tubular set of wheels! What tubular tyres do you recommend for decent puncture protection?
I use veloflex, but Vittoria corsa graphene are good. Some like challenge. Everyone has their favourite. The continental competition are not bad but tend to get small cuts and are a PITA to put on as they are very tight.
On the road punctures with tubeless it makes more sense to me to simply use a tube. Similarly with tubular carry a spare or even two. There was a ride we used to do from Vancouver to Squamish where I always got a puncture. So I brought two spares. But that was the 80s and I don’t think we had CO2 or sealants.
This has given me something to think about, I've only had 2 punctures in the last couple of years, both on the same bike and I believe it's the high pressure I run, 23mm on my resto mod, biggest I can fit.... sealant wouldn't have fixed these, one, defect in the conti tube, perfect hole popped on the spoke side or the rim, second, recently a snakebite, both over potholes, this probably would not have happened with a tubular. I've just picked up a Giant Cadex...yep the first mass produced carbon frame, you know, the carbon tubes with the aluminium lugs, £100, bargain, reso modding this with as much modern carbon bling as I can throw at it, Sensah 12 speed carbon groupset, FSA carbon cranks and looking for 11 speed wheels (12 speed cassette fits 11 speed wheel ) I didn't even consider tubular until this vid. Searching market place and eBay tonight. Thanks dude. 😁 PS. Holy crap....pair of Corima tubulars, great condition with tyres £200!!!!
Abraham Olano won the 1995 World Road Cycling Championship, against top competition like Miguel Durian. Abraham Olano had a flat back tire and pedaled for ONE KILOMETER to the finish line. He was on TUBULARS. You can NOT do that with tubeless or clinchers! I rest my case . . . and inner tube, too. Signed, Sewed, and Delivered!
@@waynosfotos Tire liners on tubeless tires is really counterintuitive. The only reason tire makers are really into that. Is so the can sell more product to new riders. Tubulars has an image issue of being complicated to deal with. It’s only for pros with a support car. Only hardcore cyclist ride tubs. But the solutions for using tape instead of glue and fixing a flat on the road is available. Tire makers aren’t just pouring R&D money on new tubular tires. Since they don’t expect to sell a lot of them. Your typical new cyclist will have a clincher tire because it’s inexpensive. His new bike would probably have a tubeless ready rims. So going tubeless is an easy upgrade option. Besides going tubeless doesn’t really mean you’re getting rid of inner tubes. Tubeless riders still pack inner tubes for emergencies. Just in case your sealant and tire plugs fails.
Is it ok to use some sealant in tubs or clincher , just in case it got some small puncture on the road and i dont want to stop to fix it. Just like tubeless tire
Right Mr Wayno.......you are now responsible for my 150 mile round trip on Saturday to pic up my £200 Corima Carbon tubular wheel set 🤪 that is just silly cheap isn't it?
I’ve recently discovered a failure of my Vitoria tubeless tyres with Vitoria sealant where a small hole is sealed as is advertised. However, sealant and air then enters between the tread layer and tyre carcass and blisters off a large section of the tread from the base. Occurred twice. Only Vitoria. Other tyre brand seem unaffected. Love my tubies on older bike, but manufacturers are dropping out. It will be difficult to keep finding replacements for them. Rare to see them in shops now.
Ive seen this on a handful of tubeless tires over the years, Hutchinson used to do it and yes a few vittoria. A couple schwalbe as well. Thankfully its pretty rare now.
What do you make of SCAM Karoo Di2 features being deleted? Boost to Ride With GPS? Shimano still makes the excellent M 540 pedal and UN square taper bbs. Tubulars are too much trouble for most. Restitched a few tubulars in my day. They should be folded so they fit nicely under the saddle with an Alfredo Binda toe strap! Christophe was second best! No thanks! But, if I were a rich man, silks for me!
Hey Wayno, can I pick your brains please.....picked up those Corima wheels yesterday OMG they are beautiful, carbon hubs also which I didn't spot in the pics and I think they have ceramic bearings as they spin forever 😍 Tyres are worn but guy gave me a brand new Conti Sprinter but it's only 22mm, I'm quite heavy at 95kg, how do you feel a 22mm tub compares to a 25mm clincher for comfort? If similar, I'll match the tyre or s hall I sell this on and buy 25mm tubulars? Going on my Giant Cadex 980c, I have no idea if there is any compliance in the seat stays? I can't imagine it's going to have the comfort of steel or a modern carbon bike. I trust you on this.....well I have 2 carbon tubular wheels sitting in my house because of you 🤪 PS. Can't find a 25mm sprinter, not available any more, thought about 22 front and 25 rear.
22mm tubs are fine, BUT sprinters are the cheap Conti tubs, I would pass on them if you want that tubular ride. Plus they don’t have a removable valve as do the expensive ones. That helps with flats and putting in sealant.
@@waynosfotos you're right, just checked, no removable core, I'd want sealant in it......I assumed as all conti inner tubes had removable cores that these would......thinking about it as a spare on a ride but I can't get it on the rim cold.
@@mickchaganis6607 warning, all conti tubulars are extremely tight. You will get a few blisters on your fingers getting them on a rim. Why i don't run them. Yes they are a okay tyre once fitted and stretched for weeks. But to me, not worth the blisters and hassle. I would recommend veloflex or Vittoria corsa graphene. I have had good experience with them.
@@waynosfotos I've ordered Vittoria and also Tufo as they do a red sidewall to match the decals on my frame........just being a tart 😂😂 not sure how hard Tufo are to get on the rims but Wiggle do free returns. Also ordered rim tape instead of glue. Yeh how could I get a conti on the rim without being able to warm it up on the radiator when I'm 30 miles away from home if I get a none sealable puncture.
@@waynosfotos Hey Wayno, FYI.....Tufo about the same to get on as Vittoria. Sending Vittoria's back as Tufos look cool in the red sidewall. Thank you so much for taking time on this question ☺️
Great ideas. However, tubular tyres are 1980s technology and are very hard to find in most shops. Also, many mechs are not familiar with them so you are basically on your own. Tubeless tyres are coming into their own. I give it a year and they will be ready for prime time and will be replacing tubulars in the professional Peloton.
@@waynosfotos I should check here. But one additional question is what's the maximum size? 28-30 mm tires are recommended due to the poor quality of the road surface here (some surfaces are worse quality than the Moon).
Hey Wayno, just an update on my Tufo tubs I've just bought....I've found out they don't have an inner tube! It's a butyl layer on the inside of the tyre so it's a complete unit....so is that a tubeless tubular 🤪 They do their own sealant which is a post puncture sealant but I'm wondering if it's any different from standard latex sealant and also I'm wondering because of the tyre construction, could a tubeless puncture 'noodle' be used on a larger hole? Their website has all the construction details on it.
From what i know from years back, Tufo had two type of sealants, one you put in when you flat, thicker stuff and one you can run all the time. I have never used Tufo tyres (only their tape) but they did have a clincher tubular that fitted onto a clincher rim and the ones you have. They also make a very light one. Being Butyl will actually be better if you want to run sealant in.
@@waynosfotos latex sealant going in when mounted, just waiting for valve extenders, also ordered one of those tubeless repair kits......you never know, might be a get me home fix......not that they are going to puncture 😂
I think the word you were struggling for at the end was toestrap! I carried my spare under the saddle wrapped in a polythene bag for many years,(70s & 80s) until clinchers got good enough. I’m on tubeless now and my Schwalbe Pro Ones feel as lively as my old tubulars ever did. But yes the are a bit of a faff to set up, but so was painting on Dunlop Tyre Cement. Love the videos Waynos, keep them coming.
Great you agree about Stans as always worked for me but couldnt convince others how well it works . Now have Tubeless on my Gravel bike but not as foolproof as Industry wants you to believe 👍
Muc Off has a product called BAM. Which comes in a small pressurized can air + sealant. The neat thing about it is you can fix a flat. Inject air + sealant directly to the valve (Presta and Schrader compatible) using the can.
I’ve never tried since it’s not sold in my country. The list price is also kind of expensive.
Yes their is a number of products like that. I have tried, they can be messy, I prefer to just pour the liquid sealant into the valve.
The trick is to take a used tubular as a spare. Just take last year's front tire.Used ones are much easier to mount on the rim. The glue left on the tubular and rim is good enough to hold the tubular on the rim. The whole procedure can be done quite fast.
I recommend a small saddle bag. This is more convenient than a packed jersey.
Yep, no hard and fast rules, they are easy to live with. Tried clinchers and went back to tubulars
I was hoping you were going to actually repair the tubular by removing the base tape cutting the stitches and patching the tube. But then I saw the length of the video and not long enough. I used to repair my tubulars that way. I got good at it after a while. But once clinchers got good, we all trained on them but raced on tubulars.
Unfortunately i am not good at that. Tried and result i was was not happy with so i just replace if sealant doesn't work.
My Tufo tubs have Tufo sealant in them. They have removable valves
You are a master of clickbaits mate.
The company called trisports makes the seat bag that I use. it's long and holds a tubular folded in thirds perfectly. I use Automotive Slime sealant, about 1/10th the price of bike spec stuff. BTW, I've finally felt that magic buttery smooth ride after swapping my clincher rain wheels off.
Wayne’s - consider yourself a bona fide “influencer” - I have some tubulars on order! I’ve always thought they would be worth trying but I needed the likes of you (and others) to allay my fears enough to give them a go. I hope this experiment ends well for me.
There just another tyre system. Nothing to be afraid of.
Helpful video clip for Tubular tyres… as a new user practical guidance
Hi can i put sealant in tubular tire same like a tubeless tire setup so while im using if i got punture will seal the tire or i can put only sealant during puncture?
Thanks for championing 'old technology'. I have tubeless on my road bike, but after a few small holes and dealing with removing the tyre to patch from the inside ( and dealing with rest of the sealant/cleaning rim/re-installing) I considering a tubular set of wheels!
What tubular tyres do you recommend for decent puncture protection?
I use veloflex, but Vittoria corsa graphene are good. Some like challenge. Everyone has their favourite. The continental competition are not bad but tend to get small cuts and are a PITA to put on as they are very tight.
Oi! Who you callin old?
@@Wildschwein_Jaeger Pun intended 😉
On the road punctures with tubeless it makes more sense to me to simply use a tube. Similarly with tubular carry a spare or even two. There was a ride we used to do from Vancouver to Squamish where I always got a puncture. So I brought two spares. But that was the 80s and I don’t think we had CO2 or sealants.
Youll be back on tubeless in no time.
This has given me something to think about, I've only had 2 punctures in the last couple of years, both on the same bike and I believe it's the high pressure I run, 23mm on my resto mod, biggest I can fit.... sealant wouldn't have fixed these, one, defect in the conti tube, perfect hole popped on the spoke side or the rim, second, recently a snakebite, both over potholes, this probably would not have happened with a tubular.
I've just picked up a Giant Cadex...yep the first mass produced carbon frame, you know, the carbon tubes with the aluminium lugs, £100, bargain, reso modding this with as much modern carbon bling as I can throw at it, Sensah 12 speed carbon groupset, FSA carbon cranks and looking for 11 speed wheels (12 speed cassette fits 11 speed wheel ) I didn't even consider tubular until this vid. Searching market place and eBay tonight. Thanks dude. 😁
PS. Holy crap....pair of Corima tubulars, great condition with tyres £200!!!!
Tubulars are no where as bad as people make out. I ride them exclusively.
Abraham Olano won the 1995 World Road Cycling Championship, against top competition like Miguel Durian. Abraham Olano had a flat back tire and pedaled for ONE KILOMETER to the finish line. He was on TUBULARS. You can NOT do that with tubeless or clinchers! I rest my case . . . and inner tube, too. Signed, Sewed, and Delivered!
Yep, why they are putting inserts in tubeless now.
@@waynosfotos Tire liners on tubeless tires is really counterintuitive. The only reason tire makers are really into that. Is so the can sell more product to new riders.
Tubulars has an image issue of being complicated to deal with. It’s only for pros with a support car. Only hardcore cyclist ride tubs. But the solutions for using tape instead of glue and fixing a flat on the road is available.
Tire makers aren’t just pouring R&D money on new tubular tires. Since they don’t expect to sell a lot of them. Your typical new cyclist will have a clincher tire because it’s inexpensive. His new bike would probably have a tubeless ready rims. So going tubeless is an easy upgrade option.
Besides going tubeless doesn’t really mean you’re getting rid of inner tubes. Tubeless riders still pack inner tubes for emergencies. Just in case your sealant and tire plugs fails.
olano was also doped to the eyeballs in that race
I once rode 20 miles at 15mph to Moab Utah on a flat tubular. Easy on the curves, obviously but felt safe enough.
Is it ok to use some sealant in tubs or clincher , just in case it got some small puncture on the road and i dont want to stop to fix it. Just like tubeless tire
Yeah, for sure!
Right Mr Wayno.......you are now responsible for my 150 mile round trip on Saturday to pic up my £200 Corima Carbon tubular wheel set 🤪 that is just silly cheap isn't it?
Sounds like a bargain to me 👍
Guy sounds genuine.....most cyclist selling cycling stuff seem to be, if not there is someone local selling same wheels but £300.
Couldn’t pay me to ride tubulars. Glad to see they are finally dying out.
Which part do you show how to fix the tubular tire?
I’ve recently discovered a failure of my Vitoria tubeless tyres with Vitoria sealant where a small hole is sealed as is advertised. However, sealant and air then enters between the tread layer and tyre carcass and blisters off a large section of the tread from the base. Occurred twice. Only Vitoria. Other tyre brand seem unaffected. Love my tubies on older bike, but manufacturers are dropping out. It will be difficult to keep finding replacements for them. Rare to see them in shops now.
Ive seen this on a handful of tubeless tires over the years, Hutchinson used to do it and yes a few vittoria. A couple schwalbe as well. Thankfully its pretty rare now.
Tubular Tires: some people see Mistake, others see Mystic! tubulars FOREVER!
What do you make of SCAM Karoo Di2 features being deleted? Boost to Ride With GPS? Shimano still makes the excellent M 540 pedal and UN square taper bbs. Tubulars are too much trouble for most. Restitched a few tubulars in my day. They should be folded so they fit nicely under the saddle with an Alfredo Binda toe strap! Christophe was second best! No thanks! But, if I were a rich man, silks for me!
Video uploading now regarding Shimano/SRAM clash.
Hey Wayno, can I pick your brains please.....picked up those Corima wheels yesterday OMG they are beautiful, carbon hubs also which I didn't spot in the pics and I think they have ceramic bearings as they spin forever 😍 Tyres are worn but guy gave me a brand new Conti Sprinter but it's only 22mm, I'm quite heavy at 95kg, how do you feel a 22mm tub compares to a 25mm clincher for comfort? If similar, I'll match the tyre or s hall I sell this on and buy 25mm tubulars? Going on my Giant Cadex 980c, I have no idea if there is any compliance in the seat stays? I can't imagine it's going to have the comfort of steel or a modern carbon bike. I trust you on this.....well I have 2 carbon tubular wheels sitting in my house because of you 🤪
PS. Can't find a 25mm sprinter, not available any more, thought about 22 front and 25 rear.
22mm tubs are fine, BUT sprinters are the cheap Conti tubs, I would pass on them if you want that tubular ride. Plus they don’t have a removable valve as do the expensive ones. That helps with flats and putting in sealant.
@@waynosfotos you're right, just checked, no removable core, I'd want sealant in it......I assumed as all conti inner tubes had removable cores that these would......thinking about it as a spare on a ride but I can't get it on the rim cold.
@@mickchaganis6607 warning, all conti tubulars are extremely tight. You will get a few blisters on your fingers getting them on a rim. Why i don't run them. Yes they are a okay tyre once fitted and stretched for weeks. But to me, not worth the blisters and hassle. I would recommend veloflex or Vittoria corsa graphene. I have had good experience with them.
@@waynosfotos I've ordered Vittoria and also Tufo as they do a red sidewall to match the decals on my frame........just being a tart 😂😂 not sure how hard Tufo are to get on the rims but Wiggle do free returns. Also ordered rim tape instead of glue.
Yeh how could I get a conti on the rim without being able to warm it up on the radiator when I'm 30 miles away from home if I get a none sealable puncture.
@@waynosfotos Hey Wayno, FYI.....Tufo about the same to get on as Vittoria. Sending Vittoria's back as Tufos look cool in the red sidewall.
Thank you so much for taking time on this question ☺️
Great ideas. However, tubular tyres are 1980s technology and are very hard to find in most shops. Also, many mechs are not familiar with them so you are basically on your own. Tubeless tyres are coming into their own. I give it a year and they will be ready for prime time and will be replacing tubulars in the professional Peloton.
Easy to get online, people still use them. Bike shops i find still know how to work on them.
@@waynosfotos I should check here. But one additional question is what's the maximum size? 28-30 mm tires are recommended due to the poor quality of the road surface here (some surfaces are worse quality than the Moon).
Hey Wayno, just an update on my Tufo tubs I've just bought....I've found out they don't have an inner tube! It's a butyl layer on the inside of the tyre so it's a complete unit....so is that a tubeless tubular 🤪 They do their own sealant which is a post puncture sealant but I'm wondering if it's any different from standard latex sealant and also I'm wondering because of the tyre construction, could a tubeless puncture 'noodle' be used on a larger hole? Their website has all the construction details on it.
From what i know from years back, Tufo had two type of sealants, one you put in when you flat, thicker stuff and one you can run all the time. I have never used Tufo tyres (only their tape) but they did have a clincher tubular that fitted onto a clincher rim and the ones you have. They also make a very light one.
Being Butyl will actually be better if you want to run sealant in.
@@waynosfotos latex sealant going in when mounted, just waiting for valve extenders, also ordered one of those tubeless repair kits......you never know, might be a get me home fix......not that they are going to puncture 😂
Tubs on the juice. 😊
Who’s the girl in the thumbnail?
I think the word you were struggling for at the end was toestrap!
I carried my spare under the saddle wrapped in a polythene bag for many years,(70s & 80s) until clinchers got good enough. I’m on tubeless now and my Schwalbe Pro Ones feel as lively as my old tubulars ever did. But yes the are a bit of a faff to set up, but so was painting on Dunlop Tyre Cement.
Love the videos Waynos, keep them coming.
Cheers for the kudos. 👍
BOOM! All those myths exposed
Or just carry some universal goods and services exchange medium.