People: old sick Whitebeard looked stronger than Akainu. Also people: ignores that Big Mom didn’t even wanna fight Whitebeard without the Giants. Also ignores that Kaido waited until Whitebeard was going to Marineford to attack. Whitebeard was still super strong before his death. In his prime he was above the Yonko.
Well yeah of course, but he wasn't IN his prime during Marineford. That's the point. He had heart attacks mid-fight, was damaged by fodder, and couldn't use Advanced Conquerors Haki. The fact that he still was able to go toe to toe with Admirals was insanely impressive
Whitebeard too rejected ace to attack wano. All yonku are strong and if they attack any other yonku they became weak in man power and hence easy target to other yonku and marines. Hence they never fight.
Tell me homestly, how scared do you feel if an admiral pulls up on post ts strawhats and how scared do you feel when a Yonkou pulls up on post ts strawhats?
@@amadoucisse8140 Far more fear for an Admiral at this point. The Strawhats themselves were laughing at Big Mom as Jimbe & Robin rolled her out of Onigashima. I doubt that would be the case if Akainu pulled up...
a yonko that isn't sick to the point of needing lots of life support, that isn't being sneak attacked, that hasn't taken 200+ wounds are, that wasn't suppressing them self so that they wouldn't harm who the consider family, and one that could use haki properly due to it not being taxing on (obviously due to age) would beat an admiral, people don't take into account what white beard was doing for his side besides fighting, if we take prime white beard and put him against akainu, akainu not surviving that's not a debate
Right and he still took out at least a full life bar out of Akainu with merely 2 hits. Kaido’s drawbacks is literally suicidal depression and alcohol. The man literally just lies down and just lets people beat him to see if he’ll feel it or possibly die, doesn’t block or dodge. Big Mom is just straight up crazy, an old bat. She got diabeties and a Yonko level mind altering eating disorder. And of course, hubris. The classic weakness. Shanks is missing an arm and probably holds himself back for some unknown reason
thank you, honestly I don't see this enough that people don't seem to mention that Whitebeard couldn't use Haki at this point because of his illness and a heap of shots he took were from him writhing over from his illness, plus the argument that Akainu couldn't go all out for the marines is silly, 1 Akianu doesn't care as long as he beats the "bad guys" and 2 neither could Whitebeard with his devil fruit that can "destroy the world". Lastly narratively Whitebeard had to die so this statement that whitebeard couldn't take an L after Ace's death for narrative purposes is silly because for narrative purposes he had to get damaged and die and lastly lastly are we forgetting the first bit of damage he took was a massive sword through the chest from sqward, like are we saying that had no effect?
@@winstonstowers9121 he took that stab so well, we really don’t consider what kind of damage that really is to get STABBED through the fucking stomach/chest with a SWORD and to walk it off and fight the ENTIRETY of the Marines AND F THEM UP
Another reason that doflamingo was not scared of an admiral is because he had leverage against the world government(the secrets of the celestial dragons) he couldn't really be touched by any marines no matter how high their status were On the other hand he doesn't have anything like that to kaido which makes him fear kaido
While you are correct kuzan wasn’t an admiral and still I am sure attacking Fujitora and planning on attempting to kill him later Would break these rules.
@@snadderolsen9834 He wasn't scared, just backed off. He knew he wouldn't likely win if he fought and he didn't fear the admirals nearly as much as he did Kaido.
They both are top tier fighters so it was never Yonkos over admirals easily. Still Nothing has change for me,I still have Yonkos as the stronger of the two groups even if it’s just slightly. The marines were able to easily fill two admiral spots by having world military draft and then when they got rid of the 3rd great power they replaced it with SSG.I have always thought that the fleet admiral,commander in chief, 5 elders and IMU could probably be stronger than the admirals.
It seems like a classic tiger vs lion Admirals are tigers and yonkos are lions Sure the tiger is bigger , just like the navy is bigger but a yonko is like a lion where for them to survive they constantly have to fight unlike a tiger who is already the biggest thing around a male lion has to fight for their food and for females, yonkos and admirals a the same admirals have all the resources but a yonko had to fight for everything they have. That’s just how I see it feel free to tell me what you think
@@zairea.4605 Make sense I would say the admirals are the better all around fighters but sometimes that doesn’t matter if someone is just natural born monster. The tiger and lion is a great reference because it essentially put them in the same ball park but like you said that slight edge can go to the Lion based on certain things they need and have for survival.
@@zairea.4605 yet they needed the strongest forces the navy can offer all the seven warlords and all 3 admirals present just to face one old man💀👀 hmmmmmm🤔 something seems a bit off don't u think I don't know what it could be
I feel for the sentiment that context is important in the Yonko v admiral discussion. Doffy fighting Fujitora but not touching Kaido is like attacking Superman vs attacking Lex Luther. Yea, by all means. Superman is actually scarier. But he's just gonna punch ya and put you in jail. Lex? Who fucking knows what's gonna happen if you piss him off. I hope this is an accurate quote, but one of Odas publishers has talked about how Oda would GO OFF on his world lore, and they noted how interested Oda was in the politics of his world. So I've always given special care to there being THREE admiral's. Consider a Yonko attacks Marine HQ, just hypothetically, ya know. To oppose the force of one Yonko the Marines have 3 people. Given this is the WGs deterrence policy, it doesn't feel wrong to assume an admiral vs a Yonko is a coin toss. The WG employs top tier admiral's, but an iffy fight isn't something to bet on the world stage. So you have two admiral's. A guarantee that the fight goes in their favor. The third would then be responsible for actually maintaining the line. We even see this with Aokiji jumping at WB, Kizaru intercepting Marco, and Akainu vs WB. One or both of the other admiral's are always on the line while the others throw hands.
Amazing summary. Everything shown in the series so far depicts how the WG is always about maintaining the line. So in the WGs eyes and there by Oda's: 3 admirals is more than enough to ensure victory over any Yonko and potentially some one even as strong as prime Whitebeard and Roger. We've also been shown that two admiral level characters, Garp and Sengoku, can beat a Yonko level character in Shiki.
The superman reference makes sense but Batman and superman would be the admirals to the 5 elders as superman has the strength and power but Batman knowledge is far superior and gives him the edge and makes him a leader like the 5 elders
@@oh-turkeybird We've also been shown that the admirals of that time could battle with Roger and Primebeard, the top dogs of the pirate era. But both are pretty much bonafide equals. So it's clear that they could compete with Shiki another top dog of Roger's era. Though I'm not sure if the three admirals of today could combat that power in Roger, Whitbeard and Shiki just yet. They seem to be the ones who could at least challenge the current Yonko of today. But let it be known that they are at least nearing the power of the Old Gen if not eventually surpass them.
I'm probably in the 5% that believes Admirals are equivalent to the Yonkos, atleast the OG 3. Akainu took WBs best shots and still had enough energy to fight all of his commanders, Ivankov, and go after Luffy and Jimbei. Yes I get it WB was sick, but he was still the strongest yonko, and Big Mom's own statement basically admits that. Now factor in that Aokiji was able to fight Akainu for 10 days in an extreme diff fight, and he scales up there as well. Kizaru was the only person other than Mihawk to escape MF with no injury or scratch at all, and similar to what Kaido did to Kidd, Killer, and Hawkins and their crews, that's what Kizaru did to the supernovas when he pulled up. Then there's the stupid, "Well if the admirals were yonko level they would take over the New World!" The Fleet Admiral is not going to be sent on missions, and if they were to send out an admiral and a bunch of marines to try to take down a Yonko, their defense at Navy HQ and Mariejois would be significantly weakened which could lead to an attack from another Yonko and their crew. Also you gotta factor in the Yonkos commanders and other top ranked officers are stronger than all of the Navy's Vice Admirals outside of Tokikake. Also to the people who say that shit, why hasn't a yonko taken out the Navy if they're that much stronger? There's a reason these Admirals have been able to keep the balance in the world, it's because they're fucking strong lol and only getting stronger. Doffy said it himself, the most dangerous and powerful force on the Seas is not the Yonko or Warlords, but the Navy.
Well im probably on the 1% that believes that WB commanders were on Admiral level. They were fighingt evely until marcó got jumped by the viceadmirals when facing Kizaru and Jozu got sneak attacked by kuzan when he got distracted trying to help Marco.
Admirals are not equivalent to yonko at all. Wb was obviously the weakest aNo akainu was getting his shit beat although he did do well. Admirals are a team yonko are pretty much solo. It’s pretty obvious 1v1 yonko win
@@thecouncil1015 Akainu did more damage to WB tho than WB did to him. I'd say he wasn't the weakest yonko either just because he was sick. Big Mom wouldn't fight WB without the help of elbaf and she states something along the lines of, "If Lola had just got married that day I would have already beaten Red Hair, Kaido, and EVEN Whitebeard" BB with his crew, and the power of the rumble and darkness fruits fled from Akainu. Also spoilers incase you haven't read the manga, but I'm assuming everyone who watches BDA's videos reads the manga. Do you think current Luffy would beat Akainu or old WB? Or Kidd and Law as of rn would beat Akainu or old WB?
@@estebanbr7596 same I also think Marco = kizaru or maybe Marco > kizaru ..... Both have max armament , max observation , same speed , fire power and Marco has one more thing that is regeneration
Admirals to me are like Luffy, stronger than every Yonko commander by a large margin and can still pick up a good fight against a Yonkou, but the chances of said admiral losing on a 1v1 against a Yonkou are high
They aren't on current Luffy's level since they don't have conqueror's haki. They should be on the same level as Luffy after he learned advanced armament haki level 1 and 2 as it is their level of haki (and they also have advanced observation haki) which would make them significantly more powerful than a Yonko Commander but still nowhere near a Yonko's level (just like Luffy who got destroyed despite being in a 5v2 and despite Kaido seemingly holding back). But to me a Fleet-Admiral should be Yonko Level unlike the regular Admirals.
Yonkos conly control their Island not the New World lol. The World Goverment controls all the One Piece Worlds expect Yonkos Island since 500 years !!!
I feel like one on one, an admiral is generally going to lose to a yonko, but the thing with the admirals is this, there's at least 3 of them plus the fleet admiral who are already allied, so you're not just fighting Kizaru, if things get dire, you get Fujitora, you get green bull, and you might even get Akainu, all probably relatively equal in power. If you fight Kaido, you're fighting Kaido, and if things get dire for Kaido, odds are anybody coming to his aid is probably significantly weaker than him, it's all just his crew, and everybody except maybe king and queen would just be a nuisance.
I don't think Marco, King, or those second in command are significantly weaker than an admiral. And right now, the yonkou are all in their primes or maybe not far past their primes. Whitebeard was far removed from his prime.
Yes but oda said in one of his interviews that akainu as Fleet admiral has the strength of yonko or beating a yonko Same for his colleague kizaru but about green bull and fujitora We don't know
There is also the fact that the World Government has on a couple different occasions worried about two Yonko joining forces. Whitebeard and Shanks during Marineford and now that's literally why the navy is headed to Wano.
@@rwmj_7569 i mean Navy and World government are smart They can Send their powerful people to end them but they would lose too many men so at least we can leave those pirates bite each others and destroy each then we come back in end with a full powerful army and take control
2:39 the rebuttal of “do you think there’s just 5 yanko level characters just singing around not doing anything.” Is kinda immediately called into question kuz we have in the story, admiral/yonko level characters that just sit around not doing anything. Scooper and Rayleigh are just around chillin. Shiki is somewhere chillin. And before he died Whitebeard was just mostly chillin somewhere… not being involved in anything going on. actually Big Mom for a long ass time never even left Whole Cake island just made moves from her home just like the elder stars. Not to mention Green Bull and Fugitora were both admiral level characters that were never part of any faction and we had never heard off. They just became admirals one day…and do you think those two were the only people the marines considered for the admiral position. There is definitely president for strong ass characters to just hang out n mind they own business while shit goes down elsewhere.
Don't forget Troll D. Crocus just chills at the foot of Reverse Mountain so he can fuck with noobs and read his paper. Forget Yonko, if Crocus activated he'd be something like Ten'nõheika or Caliph.
@@KM-hz8cd exactly and he's deadly serious something 90% of one piece antagonists lacks and you just no they won't kill anyone with any significance but when akainu is in action you fear him actually killing of major character no even kaido with all his hype did that even once
So doflamingo was more scared of posing off one yonko but wasn’t scared of having 3 yonko tier characters coming for him 🤔. The balance of power would be so in the marines favor when it comes to dealing with any one yonko if admirals equal yonko. It’s been shown that yonko can basically one shot 1st commanders and the commanders were the ones tasked with dealing with the admirals at marineford. It’s just weird but I understand the admiral fans thinking their equal even tho I don’t think oda has ever shown that. One piece is so vague with power levels that you can take 10 people and have them do a top 30 and every list is different. Also judging by even the comments most people are saying yonko are stronger even by a little
@@Haikami No he wasn't dude lol. Kuzan flat out told him not to attack Smoker and he tried it anyways. Not to mention Doflamingo legit attacked Fujitora and didn't seem to care.
So Kinemon was more scared of pissing off an Admiral that he ran from them even with the Strawhats Grand Fleet with him. On the other hand, he willing attacked Kaido directly with only 8 other people beside him. We've seen an Admiral take out a bunch of Supernova while a Yonko was nearly drowned by a couple of Supernova working together. It's just weird but I understand the yonko fans thinking they are equal even tho I don't think Oda has ever shown that. ^Seriously though, a little bit of context goes a long way.
Maybe because of his celestial bloodline, that’s why he felt protected vs marines. But on the other hand Kaido doesn’t give a sh*t and will destroy him if he betrays him
Admirals don't have enough context to be considered stronger than an emperor whereas the story has shown and hinted at the power of the emperors multiple times. We've only seen Admirals defeat the worst generation pirates (Kizaru), Marineford and Akainu vs Aokiji. Fujitora didn't really do much in Dressrosa and since then we haven't really seen or heard much about any of those Admirals. With the Yonko we have seen all their first commanders in action and we can assume that the Emperor is significantly stronger than their first commanders. Judging by what we've seen and have been shown, it seems pretty clear that an Emperor of the sea is stronger than an Admiral (as of now) and hopefully it stays that way because it's kinda whack if Admirals had the power to defeat the emperors but never did.
Yeah I'd say the admirals are just under the yonkos but still above first commander, with the best first commander being able to contest a lower admiral and the best admiral being able to contest the lowest yonko arguably.
It’s generally Yonko>admirals>>commanders Specific people that hold any of those titles can jump levels like some commanders are admiral level and maybe the fleet admiral is yonko level but the general power gap is like that
Not in touch with the op community much, but lets say akainus awakening was similar to doffys. Wouldn't he just kill all the marines? Just food for thought.
@@sarov7658 This is completely wrong. Kizaru was never scared of Ben Beckman and even ignored him and continued trying to shoot Law’s submarine after Ben Beckman’s arrival.
I feel like Yonko are still stronger than Admirals, but the gap is definitely not as large as we might have thought initially WB messed up Akainu, but... He got back up 🤷🏽♂️ WB was also sick and out of his prime, sure, but it wouldn't be an immediate slap
@Lord Harambe as a one piece fan who reads the manga and watches the anime I did not see that. I’m talking about marineford WB. If you didn’t catch the sarcasm in this comment well that’s on you.
Not every higher rank means higher power… in fact pre timeskip the admirals were stated to be the strongest marines even above Sengoku (who had a higher rank at the time)
@@BigSmokeEnthusiast facts this is how I feel if the admirals were on yonko level there’s be little to no pirates on top of that each and every yonko would be taken out by sending like two admirals and an army to each base one by one
If admirals were on the same level then there would be no balance.... they’d be able to remove the yonkos from power. The only reason there was balance is because marines are more organized and have a higher number. Although I understand the argument of garp and sengoku being comparable to roger and whitebeard. But they never captured nor defeated either to our knowledge. It seemed to always be a draw which is technically a loss for marines. Akainu was weaker than old whitebeard and before anyone says anything whitebeard got ganged up on the most through the entire fight... and knocked akainu out of multiple chapters even if he seemed “fine”. Obviously none of the admirals now were roger level... and if roger=whitebeard=garp then I come to the conclusion current admirals are just not as strong as prime garp. If current yonkos are basically a 9 compared to prime Ogs like roger and whitebeard 10, then I’d give admirals a 7. One of them isn’t enough but 2 would be mid diff. I can’t see akainu and fuji together losing to a yonko...
👏 👏 👏 my point exactly. It does not make sense narrative wise for Yonko and admirals to be equal. Yonkos must be significantly more powerful to be considered a legitimate threat to the WG.
Akainu ain't weaker than old whitebeard and probably even or stronger. which puts him at yonko level this also puts akoji at yonko level to as they are relative in power. This doesn't disrupt the balance as it's navy vs all the pirates
At the end of the day, WB flew into an absolute rage and attacked Akainu after seeing one of his children die (for the first time?). That was an attack out of anger, he couldn’t do anything, so it definitely was on the upper tiers of what WB was capable of, sick or not.
@@tigersclassof09 it makes complete narrative sense. They've always been mentioned in the same breath. Similar feats of strength and performances towards characters like marco or jimbei. A single yonko crew would need a massive force with at least one admiral to helm the battle. Thats a huge amount of resources considering they have to fight other pirates, yonko, and revolutionaries and keep peace between all kingdoms of the world, which they control 80-90% of. Thats one of the reasons the 4 admirals dont go around trying to take down all 4 yonko
Alright so these are my arguments why the Yonko should be stronger: 1. Blackbeard would never let Aokiji join his ranks if he wasn't confident he could beat him. 2. The dressrosa arc opening clearly shows the monster trio fighting the 3 strongest admirals. I think that's the next logical step for them since they are about to beat a yonko and his commanders. I don't see another shitstorm where Law and Kid play nice together, basically confirming Luffy is stronger. The rivalry needs to be ambiguous otherwise it's not a rivalry. 3. If the navy had so many yonko level marines, they could just start taking down the Yonko 1 by 1 instead of letting them roam free and rely on the Shichibukai for help. Side note: the elders are probably useless, it's not unusual for someone to be on a high position without actually being strong. Just look at Spandam in CP9, he's still in CP0 even though he is useless.
Totally agree except for point 2, yes I know the anime is 100% canon but I don't totally rely on things shown in the openings; I think that the openings' purpose is to show badass fights and stuff, no deepest lore of the story.
They cannot take one yonkou down after the other. It is all about the balance, similar to nuclear powers not attacking one another because it would devastate both factions. I think, concentrating their forces and fighting from an advantageous position, the navy is a favorite to win against any yonkou. Let's say the navy beats one yonkou, anyone of them. That's a big statement, sure. But that requires a massive amount of manpower and casualties. Ok, they have won. Now what? The other yonkou won't stay put. They don't like each other, but they roughly know how strong the respective crews are. And they also know if they let the navy regroup they might lose as well. The navy was shook when they heard about the alliance between Big Mom and Kaidou. They knew that fighting against a pretty healthy Shanks + crew at marineford might result in a loss or unable to maneuver. Also: Other string pirates will form alliances because if they can beat a yonkou every other crew out there is in danger.
Point nr. 1 I'd say is fair. Point nr. 2 I'd say is worthless, because it uses an *opening* and not any canon material that's not just there for show. Point nr. 3 is interesting though. From my perspective, a Yonko vs Admiral match is pretty much even, but the Yonko will always have their crew backing them up, meaning the marines would require quite a lot of soldiers themselves to not only win over the crew, but also bring someone with relevant strength help tip the balance in the admiral's favor. This would mean a victory for the marines, but heavy losses to the point where it might just be better to let the yonko go around as they please for the most part.
None of those work: 1. Aokiji is just an ally of Blackbeard, not one of his ranks. Blackbeard isn't that stupid. 2. That's just terrible. An opening? You may as well say that Chopper is going to fight Big Mom because of opening 21. 3. This is one of the most common and most awful ones. It makes no sense: - you can't just walk into a Yonko's territory (as the Big Mom Pirates found out in Wano), - it's dumb to send so many resources after just a single Yonko when there are 3 other Yonko, the Revolutionaries, and anyone stupid enough to attack a Celestial Dragon that the Admirals have to deal with. - the WG finds the Yonko useful because they stop themselves and others from becoming Pirate King. Those like the majority of all the other arguments used to try to place the Yonko above are simply terrible. I'm still yet to see a single good or logical one.
Akiunu has some of the craziest feats, and kizaru never seems like he’s trying even when he was fighting whitebeard. As for kaido getting cut I think his mental broke and his haki stopped protecting him for a spilt second
@@estrossa8928 tanking one of the strongest attacks in the series is a shit feat? Fatally wounding a yonko is a shit feat? I wonder what u deem a good feat in this series
Luffy: "I don't care if you're a navy Admiral or an Emperor of the sea!!! If I don't beat each and everyone of you… I'll never be the king of pirates!!!" Portrayal makes it clear that the Emperors and Admirals are in the same league. I mean, the Admirals are going to be the villains after Luffy beats Blackbeard. It doesn't make sense for the Admirals to be weaker storywise.
Lol yeah this don’t work because it’s more than likely Luffy beats an admiral Before Blackbeard. They still inferior to the Yonko. Won’t be any easy fight but they not stronger
@@FireAngelChris @Javier O Whitebeard: "I'm not interested in the treasure, but when it's found… the whole world will be turned upside down!" Luffy is gonna fight Blackbeard for the title of the pirate king, that's certain. And AFTER the one piece is found, the final war will beginn, so the Admirals are indeed the villains after the Emperors. Unless Luffy fights an Admiral in between, but I think that's unlikely.
Whitebeard wrecked Akainu as soon as he got his hands on him. Big Mom was thought to have Admiral potential as a child when she was swatting Warrior Giants. Shanks stopped the fighting in Marineford just by being present. Kaido survived execution by the World Government multiple times. I don't see how Emperors are not stronger.
@@NamelessKing_11After all of Akainu's underhanded tricks and betrayals, and all the battle damage Whitebeard took, this still happened: czcams.com/video/dzLMD-iYkaY/video.html
shanks pulled up to a fight when they were already finished packing up whitebeard he ain't do much he just came late to a fight with when everyone was already tired and also didn't sneak him talkign about how eh used dirty tricks when whitebeard attacked him from behind
@@umbraemilitos Akainu managed to hit Whitebeard multiple times with deadly shots. Akainu got up after 2 seconds from apparently "getting wrecked." I'm not saying Akainu won that fight, I'm just saying he sure as hell didn't get wrecked.
I just think personally that the idea of the Admirals being considerably weaker than the Yonko makes no sense narratively since it would literally make the final confrontation with the top of the navy a one second fight in their minds where Luffy just breaths and they fall to him. It only makes sense that the Admirals are basically on par or stronger at points to certain Yonko.
Considerably weaker no, they never were, never were said to be. But they don't have to be on par with the yonko power level wise, that makes no sense. Considering what's happening on Wano: a fully rested Luffy is clashing with a tired, wounded, concentrating on lifting an island Kaido. You really think Luffy stands a chance against Kaido in a real 1v1? that's why even if he beats Kaido now, that's not a real win, so it would still make perfect sense for admirals to be a serious threat to Luffy, because despite being weaker than the yonko, they are still VERY close, close enough to people Luffy can't defeat on his own yet. If a yonko is a 100, an admiral is a 90 or 85, and Luffy is a 70-80 at most.
@@estebanbr7596 I actually consider old whitebeard the weakest yonko at the time. Not only was he old and sick but it was implied/stated he couldn’t use conquerors or observation at the time. He got hit by squardo and Marco noted he shouldn’t have been hit by that and when he tried conquerors to save ace he almost got a heart attack. Do u think an old, sick whitebeard who can’t use observation and conquerors can take kaido??
@@dantheman5607 well WB was never on par with the yonko he was a tier above even sick he would go down one tier. Like if kaido were sick he would go down to katakuris level probably.
This debate is never gonna end. Things are left open ended on purpose to keep us guessing where we won't know what's the correct answer. Things are ambiguous and until Oda at least gives us more detail, well never know.
@@tresnonugroho6397 We rarely see most top tiers in OP actually going all out to a point that we can get an obvious point of comparison between them. Not to mention that we don't get an uninterrupted fight between such people. An actual uninterrupted fight between Akainu and a Yonko could really go any other way and produce a result that we wouldn't expect.
@@udonnauchegbu2018 1.) That's because One Piece is NEVER an fighting battle martial arts-based action-focused manga to begin with. Hence, what you said: "We rarely see most top tiers in OP actually going all out [snip] Not to mention that we don't get an uninterrupted fight between such people." 2.) Did I say One Piece is not an action manga? I keep saying this since some people (not saying you) conveniently forget that and/or become delusional. Because of this, when such fight happens, ..... 3.) CONTEXTS MATTER. Who fights who, when and where, for what reason and goal, etc. Also, personality matters. Consider this: hitting a woman for no reason in front of Zoro would have different result than in front of Sanji. --------------- Now onto Yonkou (the individual, not the whole crew) vs Admiral.... 1.) The Admirals are described as "The Greatest Military Force" (Chapter 303 and 319). 2.) They're 4 Yonkou and 4 Admirals (technically it's 3 Admirals and 1 Fleet Admiral). If the Admirals were much, much weaker, then there should've been more of them, right? Similarly, if they were much stronger, then there should've been less. But not the case. 3.) The two groups are ABOUT equal. Yes, there might be difference in strength but it's largely insignificant. If you wanted some numbers, one is 1 000 000 and the other is 999 900. A fight between a Yonkou and an Admiral can go either way in extreme diff.
Do u remember Black Beard running away from Akainu? Black Beard being a yonko at the time, while Akainu became fleet admiral. If they did clash I would bet my money on Akainu
@@foaka4404 yeah lol 😂😂😂 You know if Admirals were stronger than Yonkou then they would've already defeated all the Yonkou by now😂. But they still fear Yonkou 😂
I think one reason why we view the Yonko as being stronger is because they operate individually. They each have an enormous hierarchy that they command, while the Admirals seem like triplets collectively leading one gigantic pirate group.
I’m sorry but it will still take two admirals to beat a yonko. Edit: man I’m done tryna prove my point. My whole point was no yonko is losing to an admiral 1v 1. You have to bring two to assure victory. Ofc, it got blown outta proportion and even some of y’all were saying shanks would get low diffed by akainu😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️ which is blasphemy. It was even said somewhere in the anime that even a yonko shouldn’t face two admirals. Also, I never said the yonko wash the admirals either. Now y’all got me mad asf and I can’t have that shit man. Y’all do you in these comments though🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@batsbat8664 dude. Shanks blocked off akainu attack with ease and akainu backed off. Even after shanks offered the smoke. Stop trying to nitpick certain parts. Shanks deadass said who wants the smoke. Bb ran. Akainu ran. Garp was left in awe. Sengoku didn’t want it either. Shanks can clash with wb equally, Ben Beckham is said to be near shanks strength. Shanks crew is said to be the strongest well rounded crew. Cmon now
@@batsbat8664 on top of that, kaido puts shanks up there with roger and wb and rocks and oden. Do I need to explain why shanks wouldn’t have lost at Marineford?
@@ayeekoolaid520 the fact is that white beard tanked like 200+ wounds, was old and sick, couldn't use color of arms if this is prime wb it's obvious akainu is getting molly wopped
If Admirals were equal to Yonko's power. Then why not send 2 admirals to utterly destroy a Yonko? One admiral against a Yonko. And another admiral to keep all the other crewmates in check like King and Queen? The answer is simple: they arent equal in power.
@@pittayayas and as u also mentioned in ur comment they have a crew… yonkos also have multiple alliances. U literally spelled it out for urself in ur original comment
@@pittayayas so if yonkos=admirals and 1 admiral is 1v1ing 1 yonko and the other admiral is taking care of his crew, what makes u think that would be a guaranteed win? Also there is definitive proof that admirals being equal to yonkos does not mean a guaranteed win as we see with garp sengoku and roger being stated equals. And based off narrative the new generation will surpass the old generation. So if the old generation were equals both sides of the new generation would have to surpass them according to this. And what would happen in the final war if the yonkos were definitively stronger than the admirals? With the amount of yonko level allies luffy will have, they would no diff the navy right? Why would Oda do that
@@Charlie-cb1bt if 1 admiral is = 1 yonko. You think the 2nd admiral is not gonna fodder 1st and 2nd commander??? LMAO why you would ever assume 1st/2nd commander is close to a yonkos lvl they are not. As Big mom foddered queen. 2 admirals would be enough if yonko=admiral in power. But they arent.
Kaido batted a gear fourth Luffy that knew armament haki, and knocked him out. Kizaru's kick to a pre-haki pre-timeskip Luffy in marineford, didn't knock him out (although he was able to shoot through pre-timeskip supernova and Zoro). Aokiji was able to stab Luffy, but as it is pre-timeskip that is the minimum he should be able to do, and there is some question if he was really trying as a favor to Garp. Old Rayleigh was able to hold Kizaru up for a substantial length of time, and Garp doubted the marines had sufficient resources to deal with both Whitebeard and Rayleigh at once. Jozu was able to make Aokiji bleed, which seems like it'd not make sense if Admiral is meant to be Yonko level, and needed a distraction to be taken down. Marco has taken on all 3 admirals in the one battle, although not to a conclusion. Aokiji was happy to send wave upon wave of men at Whitebeard but was not confident to take a hit from him until substantially far into the battle. Additionally several of the warlords traded blows relatively equally with most of the people that fought with admirals evenly (for a while). The scaling seems to be that Admirals ~ Warlords ~ High Ranking Yonko crewmen. Whitebeard had wave upon wave of marine mooks shooting their guns and cannons at him, and swinging their swords at him, before they had the Admirals go in for a try. Their tactics don't seem to suggest that they could take a Yonko in a straight fight, but can take them after wearing them down with a lot of men and gunpowder being expended. It's more tactical then "You fool, my number big, you do nothing!". Honestly if I was a mook marine and the admirals said, "Yeah we have about 4 or 5 guys that can take Whitebeard, but since we're more valuable then you can you die in great numbers so that we have a slightly decreased death chance". The morale in the marines would be not very good. If it's actually necessary to give the admirals a chance, then I can see why they had as much morale as they did during marineford.
@@ravenpie12 I thought it was fairly simple. Whitebeard was shot 46 times with a cannon, and Sakazuki was then able to hold him off (assuming cannon blasts were received before the Sakazuki fight). Thus Sakazuki + 46 cannonball hits ~ Whitebeard Therefore, Sakazuki < Whitebeard.
Whitebeard was dying when he destroyed Akainu. He was dying both from his incurable disease and his stab to the heart by Squardo and yet he still destroyed Akainu who was the most powerful Admiral at the time. If he had not been sick and not been stabbed through the heart he would have had no trouble defeating Akainu. There are 3 Admirals and 1 Fleet Admiral so the 3 strongest member of Luffy's crew will probably have to face off against the 3 Admirals while he deals with Akainu which means that, if they are near Yonko Level, the 3 strongest members of Luffy's crew would finally be Yonko Level (or very very near) by beating. You guys always say Luffy isn't Yonko Level and yet Admirals and future Strawhats would be? That's ridiculous.
@@Cipher_Paul I've literally never said Luffy isn't Yonko level, you're just assuming something random based off a completely different statement that I made, which is kind of weird. Akainu was also holding back during the war because he was trying to preserve as much of navy HQ as possible. See how Punk Hazard looks and you think any of the Admirals were going all out during that war? Yonko I think are strong, it's just not by a large margin like some people think.
Imo the gap is not big enough to make a significant difference it would come down to the specific matchups for each fight extreme diff no matter who wins but at that level all top teirs could theoretically take each other out the main difference between the admirals and yonko is more a matter of portrayal not power.
@@dariuswilliams7509It mostly comes down to how the story has hyped up those characters while the admirals we're getting fleshed out the yonko we're being hyped up behind the scenes If they had been introduced and fleshed out at the same time I don't think there would be this huge gap in a lot of people's minds between the 2 groups.
Agreed. It baffles me how something so simple seems to be so difficult for some people to understand. A lot of people just don't seem to want to think about it logically and come up with all sorts of terrible excuses linstead.
Yonko have definitely been portrayed as the more powerful between the two through hype and feats. The fact WB in his weakened state could take an Admiral out in 2 hits speaks volume about a Yonko's strength. While at the same time it took Akainu 10 days to beat Aokiji.
@@malikmonk5240 you're so right that's personally why I love the Marine Ford arc so much because it gave you a taste of what the top tier looked like and as far as akainu getting destroyed by whiteboard idk about that if you take away the hype of finally seeing a yonko go all out for the first time akainu definitely got manhandled at first but their fight was a lot more balanced than a lot of people want to admit I think whiteboard was personally a bad match up for akainu and aokiji because of whitebeard's op devil fruit and haki mastery not to mention the fact that they're really weren't that many straight up 1 on 1 fights because it was a war so it definitely helped the with the portrayal of how powerful the yonko we're compared to the admirals.
The thing about power levels in OP they’re a lot closer than scalers and most readers think also matchups are important. Most characters that have haki that ppl think still are fodder to the top tiers actually could give them a decent fight.
It's all head cannon honestly I do feel like the story establishes a yonko over admiral tier though. This is most obviously displayed during the Marineford war. We'll get more clarity after wano or final war. But until then I see it that way nothing admirals have been able to show so far makes me think they'd be able to take out any of the yonko 1v1
the Marines felt that they needed the Warlord System in order to balance out/rival the strength of a Yonko. which means to me that the Y (a Yonko's entire empire)=M (entire Marine army)+(7*W) (7 Warlords). so statistically the Marines could take down Kiado with all of their resources and 7 Buggies.
That's just plain incorrect. The Marines had the Warlord system to balance out all 4 Yonko. It is Marines + Shichibukai = 4 Yonko. That much should be painfully obvious at this point. They crushed the WB pirates despite them getting help from Luffy's group which was basically 4 Warlords, and they didn't have any significant casualties. The only one that was injured (Akainu) could still fight the remaining 13 WB Commanders and was winning on top of that. No matter how much one downplays the Marines, the idea that they are somehow only equivalent to 1 Yonko crew is plain silly.
terrible take. The world gov absolutely annihilated Whitebeard and his crew + 43 allied ships with minimal losses to anyone but fodder. The whitebeard pirates lost many men, Whitebeard himself, ace, Marco was Injured....only person of importance on the WG that was injured was Akainu and he was still good enough to solo 13 WBP commanders at the same time. The World Government and all their forces = all four yonkos, or WG+ Warlords = all 4 yonkos together, something like that.
I feel like the level of strength is the Marines can’t really be compared to Yonkos or their crews. Marines are government organizes. I can’t remember their names but there were two vice admiral who were also looked at to be admirals and Garp who we all know to be at least strong enough to be an admiral. Sengoku is still apart of the marines and was a fleet admiral. I prefer the yonkos personally but I think the marines and admirals are more than likely much stronger than we believe.
Yeah i don't think your wrong at all about the marines being stronger then one Yonko and his crew, but isn't that besides the point though? i think in the context between just one admiral vs one Yonko, the Yonko still is more powerfull. Otherwise a more fair comparison would be the marines vs all the Yonko and there crews. But yeah, all in all theres powerhouses all over one piece, many of who we barely have scratched the surface off. But from what we know im still pretty sure one Yonko vs one Admiral, any one of them, the Yonko is more powerfull, and i think marineford went out of its way to show us that, first by the old half dying sick whitebeard slapping around Akainu and then again with they way he pictured Shanks arrival. But i can be wrong, and at this point so can anyone else.
Yes, now it's even easier to say that Yonko are over Admirals, because when Big Mom and Kaido fall, there is going to be less Yonko characters in the series, and someone needs to defeat the admirals, and because the are going to be less Yonko level characters (just Luffy, Shanks and Blackbeard) that means someone else is probably going to have to defeat some of the admirals. I don't see Shanks, Luffy and Blackbeard defeating all of them, I think 3/4 admirals plus fleet admiral are falling by hands of the other characters, there is no substantial narrative for Luffy, Shanks and Blackbeard to have admiral match-ups besides Luffy vs Akainu (for Ace), but even that can be delegated to Sabo. To conclude, with so small number of Yonko level pirates by the end of Wano, and no narrative around those match-ups, some of the admirals are going down by lesser hands than those of Luffy, Shanks and BB, possibly Sanji, Zoro, Kid, Law etc. So the current events with possibly 2 of the Yonko falling in Wano actually helps the argument Yonko>Admirals.
That makes no sense. - Do you think that Sanji, Zoro, Kidd, Law etc are just not going to get stronger? - Do you think that multiple characters can't face off against them just like we are seeing with the Yonko? - What about the Revolutionaries and other allies that Luffy will have? I'd say all the current events show us is how badly overhyped the Yonko have been for so long. An even stronger version of the Strawhats plus a worldwide alliance will be needed at the end to take down the Admirals & Marines when some of the Yonko would already be a thing of the past....especially considering this is a shounen.
@@MetakJesu07 lol that alliance will be needed to take down the entirety of the world government not just the admirals at the end of the series. Lol it’s more than likely that a former admiral or 2 might be on this same alliance side.
I actually do think that Yonko and admirals are on a similar level, it's just that recent events don't give the argument Admirals>Yonko and that it could be interpreted as Yonko>Admirals. I think we'll just have to wait and see.
If you were to make whitebeard vs Akainu a sole 1v1, WB would’ve won. He literally kept getting sneak attacked by all three admirals as well as Squard stabbing him through the heart, the marines shooting him with both guns and cannons and don’t forget the WB pirates hinting that he was holding back as his power would put them in trouble as well. There’s your context. And since we’re talking about old WB there’s no point in adding the context that he was sick and under heavy medication as well as being strapped to medical equipment
However, garp and sengoku were portrayed to be on the same level as roger and whitebeard. Its not fair to compare WB to Akainu. WB is of the older generation. We should be comparing Akainu to Big Mom and Kaidou, in which case, Akainu i reckon would take a victory.
Sneak attacked? He fought them one on one from the front and sneak attacked Akainu. Aokiji didn’t break a sweat, Kizaru blitzed the fuck out of him and easily blew holes through him, and Akainu ate everything he threw at him and smacked his crew afterwards while dealing significant damage. Stop it, you’re being disingenuous saying he was sneak attacked by three admirals.
Bro first akainu was holding back, it's in marine territory and doesn't want tl destroy it. Second akainu was fighting on par with whitebeard 3rd even after the fight akainu got up and carried on attacking other people like Marco, jimbe and ace. Akainu left the most devastating blows to whitebeard. Blowing his face in half. We seen kizura actually being faster than wb showing that yonko=admirals and i believe akainu would've of won the 1v1
@@Max-yz9zd bro what as far as any feats whitebeard Is superior only thing akainu got is his fruit ,whitebeeaed has physical power ,fruit and a blade or his weapon 🤦
Guys lets be real an admiral vs an emperor , 1vs1 , the emeror is winning every day of the weak . From the beginning of the story it was established that the marines needed all 3 admirals to equal the power of one of the yonko
marines need 3 admiral to equal one of the yonko? lmao akainu literally turned wb into a donut and blew half of wb face just by himself… and then he continue soloing the whole wb commanders alone
There was 3 admirals and 1 fleet admiral in marine Ford war but still one old and very ill yonko gave them hell imagine what would happen if there were 4 yonkos in marine Ford
a Yonko is above admiral simply for the fact that the whole power balance deal revolved around equaling the might of a Yonko fleet they need the whole marine force including the admirals and the fleet admiral. if u equal admirals to Yonko then u simply imply that the 4 Yonko in a perfect scenario where they work together they can be equaled by 1 fleet admiral + 3 admirals ? Nah I don't see that happening.
That doesn't make sense. The balance revolves around them countering all 4 Yonkos, not just a single fleet which they are obviously much more powerful than. They crushed the WB pirates with some of their top fighters like Garp & Sengoku doing little to nothing, and others like the Admirals just disappearing at convenient times for the pirates. That was with the Yonko fleet getting help from Luffy's group of basically half the Warlords as well. They didn't have a single significant casualty either. In fact, the only one injured (Akainu) was leading the charge against the remaining Yonko crew himself and would have wiped them out. So again, the idea that they somehow only match a single Yonko fleet is just plain ridiculous.
@@MetakJesu07 If they were truly equal to the 4 emporors, the yonkos would've been crushed ages ago. They exert pressures on all the emporors and hold more power than a single yonko crew so they can continue exerting pressure without much hope of losing as the emperors are all at each other's throats. If they fought, another emperor would gain an advantage so they are in a balance. Even without the navy, they'd be balanced but their authority would be more widespread and the navy have enough power to keep them in the new world (not that they plan to expand territory outside it).
" . if u equal admirals to Yonko then u simply imply that the 4 Yonko in a perfect scenario where they work together they can be equaled by 1 fleet admiral + 3 admirals ? " That's not how the balance of power works at all. Yonkos have powerful commanders that need to be taken seriously. You can't just ignore the Yonkos crews. It should also be pointed out that the Fleet admiral is not supposed to be fighting, as Sengoku points out during marineford. If the Yonkos ever worked together though, they would beat the WG, but the balance of power is predicated upon them not being allied. When this changed with Kaido/Big mom alliance, who was about to go ALONE? an admiral. Why would Kizaru go if he had no chance at fighting a Yonko 1v1?
@@disrupt94 Kizaru offered to go there not to defeat them but break them up by somehow turning them against each other. Otherwise, he'd stand 0 chance of even being able to do anything.
I would always give yonkos the slight edge, only just though I can't really specify why as admirals and yonkos are the same tier. But obviously certain individuals are stronger than the other 🤔.
Story wise, Yonkou's should be strongest otherwise the marines wouldn't consider them the powerhouse that they are. The marines could take them down if they actually tried.
@@MetakJesu07 bruh if yonkos could be matched they would’ve tried already, clearly there have been attempts in the past and they always fail. There’s no way akainu is not getting bodied by big mom and If he almost got bodied by a near death whitebeard💀
@@MiamiMAJIN They would have tried what exactly? Invading a Yonko's territory? That's just a stupid decision. Did you think that they could just waltz into a Yonko's territory and ask for a friendly 1 on 1 match, lol! Also, do you mean the same Big Mom that couldn't "body" a vulnerable Kidd that was lying defensless on the ground? Yeah....that's certainly believable... Are you also acting surprised that Whitebeard was able to damage Akainu after attacking him from behind? What do you think would happen if Akainu were the one attacking WB from behind? You are basically just suggesting that Akainu is much stronger if that is your criteria.
Akainu couldn't even use his fruit fully at Marineford due to marines being there. Imagine Akainu vs Whitebeard and he turns the island or part of it into lava -_-
Whitebeard would’ve sunk marineford if he used his full power, so he held back because it would still kill Ace and his other subordinates if he didn’t hold back.
@@HyakuJuu01300 wrong. he used tsunami attacks that would've drowned ace, use his punches toward ace's platform. tilted the grounds and seas. so it's not the same as akainu
Never not even close always Admiral = Yonko remember it’s not just the navy and warlords vs the yonko in fact the warlords weren’t even a guaranteed ally according to multiple sources of dialogue as well as confirmed examples in doggy and crocodile it’s more like the navy vs the yonko sometimes the warlords and all other pirates in the whole world weak and strong ones the admirals are the top of that if they needed all three admirals just to contend 1 yonko there would be no such thing as the three great powers there must be a balance in the world as a matter of fact I truly believe just 3 admirals can take Down 1 yonko and their whole entire crew fleet and all their allies a 1v1 vs an admiral and yonko is always ALWAYS PURE 50/50 the winner is coming out extreme difficulty and might not be able to fight anyone til the next arc no one not even haki to even defend himself and the other two admirals will wreck their entire crew in fact an admiral vs a 1yc is a 95% for the admiral to win low diff essentially the other admiral could take the 2nd 3rd gc and the whole rest of the crew in low to mid difficulty then if the yonko won the two admirals would literally one tap them. Yonko vs admiral is always 50/50 except shanks I truly believe shanks is weaker then every admiral and woul lose 6 outta 10 times no debate
Powerful pirates have shown us hints - Apoo and the Supernova weren't necessarily scared of Kizaru , but were terrified of tackling a Yonko alone. We saw how quickly Kaido disposed of powerful commanders , something that the admirals have yet to show. - Doffy was ready to fight Fuji , but was terrified of the thought of angering Kaido. - Zoro and Luffy were ready to challenge Fujitora , but we have seen the progress they have had to develop to fight a Yonko or YC1. - The only time we have seen an admiral pursuing a pirate was when Akainu was ready to fight BB and his crew. I'll like to see Akainu try taking on BB, now that he is a Yonko.
" Apoo and the Supernova weren't necessarily scared of Kizaru " The one supernova who was part of the marine (X-drake) was absolutely scared of Kizaru. Basil Hawkins also said that he had zero chance of fighting Kizaru. Bonnie was was terrified of the prospect of Zoro cutting a celestial dragon, because sending an admiral would be the outcome. The rest were not scared since they were overconfident rookies but they were handled with a single casual kick. " Doffy was ready to fight Fuji , but was terrified of the thought of angering Kaido. " I hope you do not seriously believe this. Fujitora is an agent of the world government, So Doflamingo knew he would not touch him. Case in point, look how quickly Doflamingo flees after Kuzan shows up and freezes him without effort. In no way, shape, or form was Doflamingo ready to fight an admiral. " Zoro and Luffy were ready to challenge Fujitora " Of course, they frequently jump into challenges they are not ready for. It proves nothing. Sengoku stated that Fujitora purposefully let the strawhats escape. " The only time we have seen an admiral pursuing a pirate was when Akainu was ready to fight BB and his crew." Kizaru at Sabaody? " I'll like to see Akainu try taking on BB, now that he is a Yonko." Dude, Blackbeard had two DFs and his entire crew with him, he still ran away from Akainu.
Honestly, I think it’s portrayal. Yonkos have been hyped up for a while and we are finally seeing them in action. Admirals were also hyped up, but it was more about the pirates side aka Luffy. If we had Coby as a protagonist during the timeskip, I believe we would’ve gotten that same portrayal with the Admirals. I think after Wano we are heading towards the World Government/Marine side and we will see how strong they are compared to the Yonkos. Personally, I think both sides are equal to each other. Whoever wins would be decided differently every time they would fight I feel like.
lets just use some logic here do we really think whitebeard would have thrown kiado or bigmom or shanks around like he did with akinue? I just dont see it
They have to be roughly equal forces, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to have them as one of the three major forces upholding the delicate balance of powers in the world. One thing that I think Oda should've done from the beginning to have a more clear picture is showcase the marines way more than what he did. More feats from vice-admirals (maybe an arc with Luffy having to face one before Aokiji), more fights with Smoker and other marines of similar rank, and more feats of strength from the admirals in the war aside from taking down the commanders of WB while they had their guard down (which shouldn't be seen as an accomplishment on their part imo, same with Akainu landing a blow on an old man with arthritis and heart disease).
If Admirals were above yonko level, paramount war wouldn't be an incident where all 3 of the admirals face off against a sick and old yonko, not to mention all other navy branches and warlords
It could even be possible that the hierarchy of the world gov.t has the Admirals really fulfilling the roles of the commanders of the Yanko fleets which if Oda has plans to end one piece in around 5 years or so could very well fit into the timeline of having Blackbeard and WG as the last arcs/opposition
Honestly, if Admirals were simply given the go ahead to straight up destroy everything without a single fuck given...Then I'd think a majority of fans would kinda turn around far sooner on how they see this gap. I look at Punk Hazard and just think...What if Sengoku told the OG Admirals to go all out back at Marineford, friendly fire be damned? Perhaps it wouldn't change much but it won't be so downplaying on those guys.
I mean, the only thing missing from Marineford was the friendly fire that you mentioned and even then there was some of that. During the war, Kizaru asked Sengoku, “can we punish them all with death?” He says yes so I think it was just the way the fights were had and whatnot.
Y'all are arguing with extremes. Nobody downplays them. They're just weaker than the strongest characters in the series but also the closest to them. It's not difficult.
To me, there’s should be absolutely be no scenario where an admiral should be able to take on a Yonko on their own. For the mere fact that they have a fleet admiral, Garp, Sengoku, five elders and IM above them, if an admiral was all it took to handle a yonko, who should be the best of the best pirates, the pirate world would be the biggest joke. I’m Akainu’s case, he was already qualified to be a fleet admiral at marineford as there were already tensions between himself and Aokiji over the position. You can be an admiral with fleet admiral level power because eventually someone is going to be the next one up. All I’m saying is kizaru and Fujitora don’t fall in that category as they are purely admiral level, which is only enough to contend with YC on their own.
I see it differently, as much as sakazuki and kuzan were the candidates for the job, it doesn't mean kizaru couldn't have been one. I'm sure it was a decision made upon the mental attributes of each pre timeskip admiral. Borsalino didn't have any vouchers or supporters within the WG ranks to back him, and apparently he himself didn't care
That makes no sense. Garp is a Vice Admiral so he's below the Admirals. Sengoku was the Fleet Admiral, so those aren't 2 separate things. The 5 Elders are the top Celestial Dragons who are above everyone else. Did you think just because Charloss is above the Admirals they can't be strong? What sort of sense does that make? Your statement also works both ways. If the best of the Marines couldn't handle the best of the pirates then the Navy would just be a joke. Why would it be okay for the Navy to be a joke but not the pirates? And any Admiral can become Fleet Admiral, so all 3 were already qualified at Marineford. That literally says nothing new or special. Admiral and Fleet Admiral aren't separate levels of power. That's just a baseless and arbitrary separation.
@@MetakJesu07 makes perfect sense. There’s at reason I mentioned Garp and Sengoku without their titles, because Sengoku is a fleet admiral level marine regardless, and Garp remained vice admiral purely by choice if you didn’t know this already. Also you should relax, Charlos is not part of the navy, or the world government, he’s merely protected by them, so you can forget an him. And yes, it would be a huge joke for an marine of Admiral level to be able to handle a Yonko alone, because sadly, the admiral level marines will never be as strong as fleet admiral level marines, so i think it makes perfect sense. If yonko are unlucky enough to have to two fleet admiral level marines as admirals that’s their unfortunate problem, Sengoku and Garp are the Aokiji and Akainu of old thus I wouldn’t expect that all the admirals in the new generation would remain weaker than their predecessors. I’m not saying the admirals are slouches, but there’s definitely a difference between admiral level marines and fleet admiral level marines. Sengoku and Garp are fleet admiral level marines because they have no competition below that position in the navy, and the same now goes for Akainu. If by some chance some admiral went toe to toe with one of the yonko for a significant period, he would happen to be a fleet admiral level marine or else it would indeed be the biggest joke of the pirate world. The fact that you want these marines run around with no way to rank their strengths is ludacris. At least present a power system for me to even see what your point is.
@@nedumnwanze4120 he may very well be a fleet admiral level marine to be able to clash with Rayleigh, but I need to see him clash with more active pirates on his level. Although you may be right about it being a higher up decision, it still came down to a battle to decide, and right now I just don’t see Kizaru posing as difficult an opponent as Kuzan and Akainu did to each other.
Eveytime the Strawhats have ran into an Admiral it's always tragic. Aokiji nearly killed Luffy. Kizaru nearly bodied every Supa Nova including Luffy and the crew. Akainu killed Ace and nearly got Luffy. Fujitora did not want to fight the Strawhats. Admirals are a menace II society.
First of all, everything you mentioned there was pre time skip except Fujitora, but I'll remind that the straw hats never went all out against Fujitora and they weren't even scared of him like they were pre time skip when they faced against Aokiji, Kizaru, they simply got stronger they could probably take down an Admiral
Garp asked a lower-ranking marine, "Do you think the Navy can handle two legends at the same time?". This implies that the Navy cannot do it, or at least have a very hard time doing it. If the Navy will have a hard time handling both WB and Rayleigh, then I cant see how some people think they ( the Navy) can handle all 4 yonkos at the same time (unless theyre saying old and crewless Rayleigh is a bigger threat than BM, Kaido and Shanks combined). Furthermore, if the Navy cant handle all 4 yonkos and will have a hard time handling even 2 yonko-level threats, then that means the Navy forces are guaranteed to win against 1 yonko and his crew at the very least. Which means 1 admiral isn't equal to 1 yonko.
they also got scared when they heard Big Mom and Kaido were linking up. Needed Rogers help to beat Rocks. Marines never been on the same level they just got some new crazy tech is all
@@FireAngelChris facts it's crazy that the navy got four yonko level character but the gorosei started to sweat in cold when they was reported that shanks would meet wb they shit theyr pants at the idea about shanks join wb for the war ahhahahaha even garp was say to a fodder that the navy can't handle two leggend at the same time he was talkin about wb and rusty rayleigh that is not even close to the power of a prime yonko like kaido but yea this foxies still say admirals equal yonko even when the story and oda himself potray otherwise the yonko are at the top in op individualy the potray of them beat the others potray of others high tiers dudes
Akainu was knocked out after taking just 3 hits from a badly damaged Whitebeard so sick he was unable to use conquerors haki to save Ace. In that state he was still able to do what Kuzan couldn't do in what was it? 7 days? 10 days? The admirals have formidable devil fruits, yes. But at least I am left with the impression that if you take that away, they are not drastically different from vice admirals when it comes to dealing and tanking damage.
Akainu wasn’t knocked out just out of Commission plus he tanked 3 quake attack from a bloodlusted WB reasoning is because ace was killed by that man so he wanna make sure that man was dead but Akainu wasn’t knocked he got back of after chapter and was taking down man commanders with ease
Admirals and Younko are around the same level! Younkous are more feared because of their influence, their lands, their wealth, their doings (like crimes) and their crew. Admirals are Admirals purely by their own skills and abilities. Obviously the portrayal is different, but thats just expected, it doesn't necessarily reflects strength.
Its basically the same level. Its a range also, aokiji is not equal to Momousagi even tho she was gonna be an admiral, Shanks was not as strong as he is today when he got the yonko title, so there can be weaker and stronger admirals and yonko Some of them are clearly equals, like any of the yonko and at least akainu and aokiji, probably kizaru too
Start of Marineford, before everything popped off. WB vs Akainu 1v1, gimme Newgate all day. IMO Akainu, Issho, Ryokugyu, Kizaru, Kuzan are all equal in strength. Yonko stronger than all of them.
I honestly think the admirals are comparable to the yonko. The only reason why the yonko seem like such untouchable creatures is because of reputation. A yonko would be going around wreaking havoc and displaying their power because, well, they’re pirates. But you wouldn’t expect an admiral to be going around doing that right? One is portrayed as a “criminal” while the other the “enforcer”.
Great observation. Edit: There's something called "FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives" or something similar but there's no such thing as "Ten Most Dangerous Police Officer".
Untrue. Yonko are far stronger than mere admirals. They are self-made. One of them could threaten the whole marines that they would seek help from warlords while admirals are replaceable in their organizations. Fall of a Yonko has an impact on the world while admirals aren't. A weaker WB crushed akainu and didn't even use haki. Big mom, kaido and shanks would also demolish a mere admirals.
@@dayumson9yearsagoupdated867 you sir take bdas words like they are absolute truths. Yonkos can be defeated yes. But one or two admirals aren't a threat to them. That is a fact shown in the manga. If you are saying akainu did this and that to whitebeard. Whitebeard had several disadvantages stacked against him. They could not even finish off sickly injured whitebeard, blackbeard pirates did. You do remember what WB did to akainu even with akainus thick plot armor.
I've always seen it this way: it doesn't really matter how we powerscale yonko vs admirals, because the heart of the matter is the *balance* of power. None of the major forces can really afford to directly attack another, because the other major forces would 3rd party them. So, yonko can't really afford all out war between each other or the world government, and the world government can't really risk all out war with any individual yonko crew. If we get down to the nitty gritty, I think most yonko high to extreme diff an admiral 1v1, and under certain conditions and matchups maybe an admiral could win a 1v1, but kaido or big mom are probably gonna beat a solo admiral every time. The point is they are close enough that whatever side wins will immediately lose to someone else afterward due to being very weakened. The who-could-beat-who conversation isn't all that important compared to the bigger picture.
I doubt that's the reason they never warred against the world govt. WB attacked marineford just to save Ace I think it's just the world govt never really attacked all 4 emperors Crewmates or never entered their territory, we saw how they all avoid the yonkos territory cause they don't wanna leave their hq unguarded so simply the navy's fault they never warred cause they can't do shit if that happens besides everything unguarded for a unnecessary war
@@catalyst.4664 *just to save ace* is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Ace was a big deal. Whitebeard went into that battle expecting to die, too. So like, clearly, attacking the navy is not something a yonko takes lightly.
I don’t even know why this is a discussion. It took 3 admirals to fight a wounded aging dying white beard. Prime wb, Kaido, big mom, Roger, shanks mopping any admiral easily.
Do you think the admirals can 2 shot king, queen,Marco, kat or Benny like how big mom dropped queen and when both big mom and Kaido dropped luffy in gear 4th without a hint of trying ??? And this after Luffy beat kat??? Doesn't make sense to me. Fuji scrapped with Zoro,Luffy and sabo but he didn't overwhelm them in a split second like the yonko did.
Actually, for some Admirals it would just be a 1 shot....even just outright death in some cases. I mean....what do you think would happen if Queen just stood around in dinosaur form like he did with Big Mom, and Akainu threw a magma punch at his head?
@@MetakJesu07 looool bro big mom shrugged off gear 4th Luffy simply by flexing her haki, she didn't even use her df against him or queen.... didn't even know about haki while she lost her memories which means she knocked queen on his ass with only brute strength. No admiral is capable of that feat and I am sure Kaido would also do the same thing
Wdym no admiral can stop a freaking wci luffy and also in manga akainu used his one foot and hands in his pocket to overpower wb naginata+gra coated attack @@daryussamuel497
The yonko are stronger by FAR! However the Yonko being as strong as they are and being pirates are more prone to taking damage in battle and not taking fights too seriously from the starts. The admirals on the other hand are fierce combatants. They don’t take on much damage in battle. Kinda like Current aaa o and Luffy. Sabo and the admirals are more technical and calculated. Luffy and the Yonko are more “heart and spirit”
Admirals aren't shown to be powerful as much yonkos. It is only power scalers who think that but not manga or anime. In latest chapter,luffy wasn't even nervous about kizaru but only saturn.
I think the gorosei are stronger than the admirals and now that Luffy surpassed Kaido it means fighting the admirals wouldn't be so exciting because Oda gives Luffy a stronger opponent everytime a new arc takes place So this time i think Dragon and Shanks are going to fight the admirals and Luffy might go after Blackbeard or the gorosei
A walking dead Whitebeard with 2 feet in the Grave before he even reached Marineford was still throttling the Admirals even with Haki and devilfruit power was spotty as hell during deathbed fight through Marineford
This is always bothering me, but I think there's something that people seem to forget on top of the personality difference between a kind of Akainu, and Aokiji is the elemental advantages and disadvantages their fruits have against another. People seem to forget that once Ace was released him and Aokiji had a clash, I'm not sure if the amount of damage you've taken in stamina affects logia class devil fruit users, but Ace had taken some damage while he was imprisoned, and him Aokiji we're even. Then, if we compare Akainu injuring Ace and killing him Fire < Magma, even tho Ace was attacked from behind. To me that says a lot about Aokiji's strength. He was at a disadvantage and still fought him for that long. Elemental advantages are a thing, remember when Luffy redhawked Perospero, and cleared his candy decoration maiden easily.
To add to it, Luffy vs Enel is a prime example of elemental advantages. Literally nobody (at the time) could stand up to Enel due to how strong his goro goro fruit is.
When Luffy and crew fight the Admirals, I'm guessing it won't be a fight to overcome their power, like it is with Kaido. Fighting the Navy won't be a fair fight. I think that's how they handle the power level of Yonko vs Admiral. Either that or a training montage with the Admirals showing why they're so much stronger now. 🤣
When it comes to powerscaling from marineford it’s weird. Oda consistently says that older characters don’t lose their strength but he definitely shows whitebeard as someone held back by age and illness. So my interpretation of it is that whitebeards attack power was still the same but he lacked in areas like stamina. So to me akainu surviving all those hits and still being ready to face the commanders shows that he really is on that yonko level. He wasn’t stronger than whitebeard but he probably would’ve outlasted him had the fight continued. However judging characters from marineford feats isn’t really useful in current one piece because Oda hadn’t yet developed advanced conquerors and we barely glimpsed higher levels of armament and observation haki. Marineford was extremely devil fruit based much like the rest of pretimeskip. I’m pretty sure if Oda had to remake the fights of marineford for current one piece it would look a lot differently
I don't think WB once used conqueror's haki nor Observation considering how he got sneak attacked easily. He never dodged either he just stayed in the same spot waiting for the enemy to come at him that's shows how his days are numbered.
Another factor to consider between the admiral x Yonko's power scaling is the navy's information towards the abilities and powers of yonko's, making them exposed to their power and identifying their weaknesses as opposed to yonko's that sometimes without their informant (Big Mom's son who uses a book, I forgot his name) would not know a lot about the world government. That makes the difference between their power scaling as well.
People: old sick Whitebeard looked stronger than Akainu.
Also people: ignores that Big Mom didn’t even wanna fight Whitebeard without the Giants.
Also ignores that Kaido waited until Whitebeard was going to Marineford to attack.
Whitebeard was still super strong before his death. In his prime he was above the Yonko.
Well yeah of course, but he wasn't IN his prime during Marineford. That's the point. He had heart attacks mid-fight, was damaged by fodder, and couldn't use Advanced Conquerors Haki. The fact that he still was able to go toe to toe with Admirals was insanely impressive
Old and sick Whitebeard > Prime Madara
Roger was a monster, lol.
Whitebeard too rejected ace to attack wano. All yonku are strong and if they attack any other yonku they became weak in man power and hence easy target to other yonku and marines. Hence they never fight.
Whitebeard didn’t want to fight Kaido either calling him a monster so this is not a valid point
"Do we still think yonko over admirals?"
Yes.
"Easily?"
Never thought 'easily'...
Yes, easily
Exactly wtf. I thought it was heavily implied Yonkou's>=Admirals.
Tell me homestly, how scared do you feel if an admiral pulls up on post ts strawhats and how scared do you feel when a Yonkou pulls up on post ts strawhats?
@@amadoucisse8140 same fear?
@@amadoucisse8140 Far more fear for an Admiral at this point. The Strawhats themselves were laughing at Big Mom as Jimbe & Robin rolled her out of Onigashima. I doubt that would be the case if Akainu pulled up...
a yonko that isn't sick to the point of needing lots of life support, that isn't being sneak attacked, that hasn't taken 200+ wounds are, that wasn't suppressing them self so that they wouldn't harm who the consider family, and one that could use haki properly due to it not being taxing on (obviously due to age) would beat an admiral, people don't take into account what white beard was doing for his side besides fighting, if we take prime white beard and put him against akainu, akainu not surviving that's not a debate
Right and he still took out at least a full life bar out of Akainu with merely 2 hits.
Kaido’s drawbacks is literally suicidal depression and alcohol. The man literally just lies down and just lets people beat him to see if he’ll feel it or possibly die, doesn’t block or dodge.
Big Mom is just straight up crazy, an old bat. She got diabeties and a Yonko level mind altering eating disorder.
And of course, hubris. The classic weakness.
Shanks is missing an arm and probably holds himself back for some unknown reason
Pure facts !!!!!!!!!!
thank you, honestly I don't see this enough that people don't seem to mention that Whitebeard couldn't use Haki at this point because of his illness and a heap of shots he took were from him writhing over from his illness, plus the argument that Akainu couldn't go all out for the marines is silly, 1 Akianu doesn't care as long as he beats the "bad guys" and 2 neither could Whitebeard with his devil fruit that can "destroy the world". Lastly narratively Whitebeard had to die so this statement that whitebeard couldn't take an L after Ace's death for narrative purposes is silly because for narrative purposes he had to get damaged and die and lastly lastly are we forgetting the first bit of damage he took was a massive sword through the chest from sqward, like are we saying that had no effect?
right? akainu would get 1 shot
@@winstonstowers9121 he took that stab so well, we really don’t consider what kind of damage that really is to get STABBED through the fucking stomach/chest with a SWORD and to walk it off and fight the ENTIRETY of the Marines AND F THEM UP
Another reason that doflamingo was not scared of an admiral is because he had leverage against the world government(the secrets of the celestial dragons) he couldn't really be touched by any marines no matter how high their status were
On the other hand he doesn't have anything like that to kaido which makes him fear kaido
While you are correct kuzan wasn’t an admiral and still I am sure attacking Fujitora and planning on attempting to kill him later Would break these rules.
@@FireAngelChris well he was pretty scared of kuzan so
@@snadderolsen9834 lol well I didn’t see him shaking In his boots.
@@FireAngelChris He didn't try him after getting froze either.
@@snadderolsen9834 He wasn't scared, just backed off. He knew he wouldn't likely win if he fought and he didn't fear the admirals nearly as much as he did Kaido.
They both are top tier fighters so it was never Yonkos over admirals easily. Still Nothing has change for me,I still have Yonkos as the stronger of the two groups even if it’s just slightly. The marines were able to easily fill two admiral spots by having world military draft and then when they got rid of the 3rd great power they replaced it with SSG.I have always thought that the fleet admiral,commander in chief, 5 elders and IMU could probably be stronger than the admirals.
It seems like a classic tiger vs lion
Admirals are tigers and yonkos are lions
Sure the tiger is bigger , just like the navy is bigger but a yonko is like a lion where for them to survive they constantly have to fight unlike a tiger who is already the biggest thing around a male lion has to fight for their food and for females, yonkos and admirals a the same admirals have all the resources but a yonko had to fight for everything they have.
That’s just how I see it feel free to tell me what you think
@@zairea.4605 Make sense I would say the admirals are the better all around fighters but sometimes that doesn’t matter if someone is just natural born monster. The tiger and lion is a great reference because it essentially put them in the same ball park but like you said that slight edge can go to the Lion based on certain things they need and have for survival.
@@zairea.4605 yet they needed the strongest forces the navy can offer all the seven warlords and all 3 admirals present just to face one old man💀👀 hmmmmmm🤔 something seems a bit off don't u think I don't know what it could be
@@monkeydkong3399 dude can u pls read what I said slowly I’m saying yes a yonko is stronger jeez
@@monkeydkong3399 whitebeard had a massive fleet…
I feel for the sentiment that context is important in the Yonko v admiral discussion. Doffy fighting Fujitora but not touching Kaido is like attacking Superman vs attacking Lex Luther. Yea, by all means. Superman is actually scarier. But he's just gonna punch ya and put you in jail. Lex? Who fucking knows what's gonna happen if you piss him off.
I hope this is an accurate quote, but one of Odas publishers has talked about how Oda would GO OFF on his world lore, and they noted how interested Oda was in the politics of his world. So I've always given special care to there being THREE admiral's.
Consider a Yonko attacks Marine HQ, just hypothetically, ya know. To oppose the force of one Yonko the Marines have 3 people. Given this is the WGs deterrence policy, it doesn't feel wrong to assume an admiral vs a Yonko is a coin toss. The WG employs top tier admiral's, but an iffy fight isn't something to bet on the world stage. So you have two admiral's. A guarantee that the fight goes in their favor. The third would then be responsible for actually maintaining the line.
We even see this with Aokiji jumping at WB, Kizaru intercepting Marco, and Akainu vs WB. One or both of the other admiral's are always on the line while the others throw hands.
Amazing summary. Everything shown in the series so far depicts how the WG is always about maintaining the line. So in the WGs eyes and there by Oda's: 3 admirals is more than enough to ensure victory over any Yonko and potentially some one even as strong as prime Whitebeard and Roger. We've also been shown that two admiral level characters, Garp and Sengoku, can beat a Yonko level character in Shiki.
The superman reference makes sense but Batman and superman would be the admirals to the 5 elders as superman has the strength and power but Batman knowledge is far superior and gives him the edge and makes him a leader like the 5 elders
I agree with this but I think the ex factor is the 3rd great power and now the ssg that sides the government.
@@oh-turkeybird Garp and Sengoku are well above Admiral level. Especially Garp.
@@oh-turkeybird We've also been shown that the admirals of that time could battle with Roger and Primebeard, the top dogs of the pirate era. But both are pretty much bonafide equals. So it's clear that they could compete with Shiki another top dog of Roger's era. Though I'm not sure if the three admirals of today could combat that power in Roger, Whitbeard and Shiki just yet. They seem to be the ones who could at least challenge the current Yonko of today. But let it be known that they are at least nearing the power of the Old Gen if not eventually surpass them.
yes, without question
I'm probably in the 5% that believes Admirals are equivalent to the Yonkos, atleast the OG 3. Akainu took WBs best shots and still had enough energy to fight all of his commanders, Ivankov, and go after Luffy and Jimbei. Yes I get it WB was sick, but he was still the strongest yonko, and Big Mom's own statement basically admits that. Now factor in that Aokiji was able to fight Akainu for 10 days in an extreme diff fight, and he scales up there as well. Kizaru was the only person other than Mihawk to escape MF with no injury or scratch at all, and similar to what Kaido did to Kidd, Killer, and Hawkins and their crews, that's what Kizaru did to the supernovas when he pulled up. Then there's the stupid, "Well if the admirals were yonko level they would take over the New World!" The Fleet Admiral is not going to be sent on missions, and if they were to send out an admiral and a bunch of marines to try to take down a Yonko, their defense at Navy HQ and Mariejois would be significantly weakened which could lead to an attack from another Yonko and their crew. Also you gotta factor in the Yonkos commanders and other top ranked officers are stronger than all of the Navy's Vice Admirals outside of Tokikake. Also to the people who say that shit, why hasn't a yonko taken out the Navy if they're that much stronger? There's a reason these Admirals have been able to keep the balance in the world, it's because they're fucking strong lol and only getting stronger. Doffy said it himself, the most dangerous and powerful force on the Seas is not the Yonko or Warlords, but the Navy.
Well im probably on the 1% that believes that WB commanders were on Admiral level. They were fighingt evely until marcó got jumped by the viceadmirals when facing Kizaru and Jozu got sneak attacked by kuzan when he got distracted trying to help Marco.
Admirals are not equivalent to yonko at all. Wb was obviously the weakest aNo akainu was getting his shit beat although he did do well. Admirals are a team yonko are pretty much solo. It’s pretty obvious 1v1 yonko win
@@thecouncil1015 Akainu did more damage to WB tho than WB did to him. I'd say he wasn't the weakest yonko either just because he was sick. Big Mom wouldn't fight WB without the help of elbaf and she states something along the lines of, "If Lola had just got married that day I would have already beaten Red Hair, Kaido, and EVEN Whitebeard" BB with his crew, and the power of the rumble and darkness fruits fled from Akainu. Also spoilers incase you haven't read the manga, but I'm assuming everyone who watches BDA's videos reads the manga. Do you think current Luffy would beat Akainu or old WB? Or Kidd and Law as of rn would beat Akainu or old WB?
@@estebanbr7596 same I also think Marco = kizaru or maybe Marco > kizaru ..... Both have max armament , max observation , same speed , fire power and Marco has one more thing that is regeneration
@@plazik7481 He knocks him out for like 5 minutes in the mange with 1 attack I’m pretty sure
Admirals to me are like Luffy, stronger than every Yonko commander by a large margin and can still pick up a good fight against a Yonkou, but the chances of said admiral losing on a 1v1 against a Yonkou are high
Yeah, i think so too, they're just more experienced than luffy but still below yanko
They aren't on current Luffy's level since they don't have conqueror's haki.
They should be on the same level as Luffy after he learned advanced armament haki level 1 and 2 as it is their level of haki (and they also have advanced observation haki) which would make them significantly more powerful than a Yonko Commander but still nowhere near a Yonko's level (just like Luffy who got destroyed despite being in a 5v2 and despite Kaido seemingly holding back).
But to me a Fleet-Admiral should be Yonko Level unlike the regular Admirals.
Do you include the vice captains in your "commander tier"?
@@NM-ev7pu vice captain is basically 1st commander so yeah
@@NM-ev7pu the vice captains are the commanders, the right hands
it’s funny how yonkou and admirals and narratively portrayed as equal yet there are still people that think yonkos low diff admirals
In your headcanon are potray equal
Well
If admirals had similar level to Yonkos, Yonkos wouldn’t completely control the new world.
Yonkos conly control their Island not the New World lol. The World Goverment controls all the One Piece Worlds expect Yonkos Island since 500 years !!!
@@lordtouchme6210 nah yonko have their own turfs. The wg only control islands that are under them. Wano and Zou arent under the wg
@@magnumopus788 i know
@@lordtouchme6210 i know you know
@@magnumopus788 i know you know he knows
Yonko > Admiral. If Yonko are 100, then Admirals are 95. It won't be an easy fight but the Yonko will win 1v1 most of the time.
I agree completely
I would say 85. They are close but not THAT close
40 i think all yonko can one shot an admiral if they get a clean hit in
@@jahmaib5702 what manga u reading bro ?
@@jahmaib5702 bro what?
I feel like one on one, an admiral is generally going to lose to a yonko, but the thing with the admirals is this, there's at least 3 of them plus the fleet admiral who are already allied, so you're not just fighting Kizaru, if things get dire, you get Fujitora, you get green bull, and you might even get Akainu, all probably relatively equal in power. If you fight Kaido, you're fighting Kaido, and if things get dire for Kaido, odds are anybody coming to his aid is probably significantly weaker than him, it's all just his crew, and everybody except maybe king and queen would just be a nuisance.
Yeah the admirals can work together, the yonkos...not so much (normally)
I don't think Marco, King, or those second in command are significantly weaker than an admiral.
And right now, the yonkou are all in their primes or maybe not far past their primes. Whitebeard was far removed from his prime.
Yes but oda said in one of his interviews that akainu as Fleet admiral has the strength of yonko or beating a yonko
Same for his colleague kizaru but about green bull and fujitora
We don't know
There is also the fact that the World Government has on a couple different occasions worried about two Yonko joining forces. Whitebeard and Shanks during Marineford and now that's literally why the navy is headed to Wano.
@@rwmj_7569 i mean
Navy and World government are smart
They can Send their powerful people to end them but they would lose too many men so at least we can leave those pirates bite each others and destroy each then we come back in end with a full powerful army and take control
2:39 the rebuttal of “do you think there’s just 5 yanko level characters just singing around not doing anything.” Is kinda immediately called into question kuz we have in the story, admiral/yonko level characters that just sit around not doing anything. Scooper and Rayleigh are just around chillin. Shiki is somewhere chillin. And before he died Whitebeard was just mostly chillin somewhere… not being involved in anything going on. actually Big Mom for a long ass time never even left Whole Cake island just made moves from her home just like the elder stars. Not to mention Green Bull and Fugitora were both admiral level characters that were never part of any faction and we had never heard off. They just became admirals one day…and do you think those two were the only people the marines considered for the admiral position. There is definitely president for strong ass characters to just hang out n mind they own business while shit goes down elsewhere.
Don't forget Troll D. Crocus just chills at the foot of Reverse Mountain so he can fuck with noobs and read his paper. Forget Yonko, if Crocus activated he'd be something like Ten'nõheika or Caliph.
Welp shanks haki said NOOPE
I don't know if admiral's are on par with yonko's are not but I can say this none of yonko' made me fear a character dying like akainu did
Every hit was deadly. I feel you fam!
Akainu is far more deadly than any of the Yonkou's.
That’s mainly due to the fact that the reference points are higher tier now. Pre time skip our main cast was mad weak compared to the top powers.
@@KM-hz8cd exactly and he's deadly serious something 90% of one piece antagonists lacks and you just no they won't kill anyone with any significance but when akainu is in action you fear him actually killing of major character no even kaido with all his hype did that even once
@@bluyem2361 by far bro
So doflamingo was more scared of posing off one yonko but wasn’t scared of having 3 yonko tier characters coming for him 🤔. The balance of power would be so in the marines favor when it comes to dealing with any one yonko if admirals equal yonko. It’s been shown that yonko can basically one shot 1st commanders and the commanders were the ones tasked with dealing with the admirals at marineford. It’s just weird but I understand the admiral fans thinking their equal even tho I don’t think oda has ever shown that. One piece is so vague with power levels that you can take 10 people and have them do a top 30 and every list is different. Also judging by even the comments most people are saying yonko are stronger even by a little
@@Haikami No he wasn't dude lol. Kuzan flat out told him not to attack Smoker and he tried it anyways. Not to mention Doflamingo legit attacked Fujitora and didn't seem to care.
@@IFourpoint lol you can argue the entire Dressorsa arc was him not trying to anger Kaido and get his business expose to the world.
So Kinemon was more scared of pissing off an Admiral that he ran from them even with the Strawhats Grand Fleet with him. On the other hand, he willing attacked Kaido directly with only 8 other people beside him.
We've seen an Admiral take out a bunch of Supernova while a Yonko was nearly drowned by a couple of Supernova working together.
It's just weird but I understand the yonko fans thinking they are equal even tho I don't think Oda has ever shown that.
^Seriously though, a little bit of context goes a long way.
Personality matters.
Consider this. Attacking a woman (with no reason) in front of Zoro or in front of Sanji.
Maybe because of his celestial bloodline, that’s why he felt protected vs marines. But on the other hand Kaido doesn’t give a sh*t and will destroy him if he betrays him
I feel like people forget that kizaru literally volunteered to go to wano after the big mom kaido alliance was announced
Suicide
Admirals don't have enough context to be considered stronger than an emperor whereas the story has shown and hinted at the power of the emperors multiple times. We've only seen Admirals defeat the worst generation pirates (Kizaru), Marineford and Akainu vs Aokiji. Fujitora didn't really do much in Dressrosa and since then we haven't really seen or heard much about any of those Admirals. With the Yonko we have seen all their first commanders in action and we can assume that the Emperor is significantly stronger than their first commanders. Judging by what we've seen and have been shown, it seems pretty clear that an Emperor of the sea is stronger than an Admiral (as of now) and hopefully it stays that way because it's kinda whack if Admirals had the power to defeat the emperors but never did.
Yeah I pretty much think the fleet admiral is yonko level and the other admirals are first commander level.
@@smalltrashman4227 Go to sleep.
Admirals have all that feat.
Yeah I'd say the admirals are just under the yonkos but still above first commander, with the best first commander being able to contest a lower admiral and the best admiral being able to contest the lowest yonko arguably.
@@The_Andromeda_Galaxy You should just drop the series honestly.
Never thought that to begin with. Akainu at Marine Ford was clean
@@nonyabusiness366 admiral nuthuggers dont like to talk about that one
@@HyakuJuu01300 lol faxx
@@nonyabusiness366 he legit wasn't scared he wasn't scared of whitebeard why in God's name would he be afraid of shanks
@@nonyabusiness366 🤣 yall just love making things up now huh
@@nonyabusiness366 what you wanted him to do fight two yonkos back to back ?
It’s generally
Yonko>admirals>>commanders
Specific people that hold any of those titles can jump levels like some commanders are admiral level and maybe the fleet admiral is yonko level but the general power gap is like that
Not in touch with the op community much, but lets say akainus awakening was similar to doffys. Wouldn't he just kill all the marines? Just food for thought.
@@sarov7658 This is completely wrong. Kizaru was never scared of Ben Beckman and even ignored him and continued trying to shoot Law’s submarine after Ben Beckman’s arrival.
@Cosmic Lionheart he has no feats at all lmao
@Cosmic Lionheart lol what? he has 0 feats and we’ve never even seen him in combat
@Cosmic Lionheart bro kizaru wasn’t scared he isn’t dumb atleast that dumb no matter the fruit one haki bullet to the head and it’s game u feel me?
I feel like Yonko are still stronger than Admirals, but the gap is definitely not as large as we might have thought initially
WB messed up Akainu, but... He got back up 🤷🏽♂️
WB was also sick and out of his prime, sure, but it wouldn't be an immediate slap
He destroyed him,i can't se akainu wins against kaido either so gap is big...
@@miyamotomusashi692 no he didn't white beard had to sneak up on akainu wym 😂 and thats when he started to beat him
@@marmur4302 dude akainu froze knowing that whitebeard is on to him, it wouldn't have made much difference.
WB was old, sick and not agile
@Lord Harambe as a one piece fan who reads the manga and watches the anime I did not see that. I’m talking about marineford WB. If you didn’t catch the sarcasm in this comment well that’s on you.
One thing that's always bugged me, is Kong. I forgot his title but he's above fleet admiral, like how strong is that guy ??!?
He was Fleet Admiral before Sengoku
Kong is oooold~
Commander in chief basically all military falls under him even the CP SECTS
Yea oda will never show anything about that dude he wasn’t even at marineford idk why they introduced that bum
Not every higher rank means higher power… in fact pre timeskip the admirals were stated to be the strongest marines even above Sengoku (who had a higher rank at the time)
I think fleet admiral is around yonko level but admirals in general are above of yonko commander by a solid margin.
Finally someone with brains. Even Oda said Sakazuki is like the Emperor of the Navy
@@BigSmokeEnthusiast facts this is how I feel if the admirals were on yonko level there’s be little to no pirates on top of that each and every yonko would be taken out by sending like two admirals and an army to each base one by one
@@BigSmokeEnthusiast When did he say that?
Fifa ratings
Yonko 99
Fleet Admiral 99
Admiral 90
1st Commanders 88
2nd/3rd Commanders 80
100%
If admirals were on the same level then there would be no balance.... they’d be able to remove the yonkos from power. The only reason there was balance is because marines are more organized and have a higher number. Although I understand the argument of garp and sengoku being comparable to roger and whitebeard. But they never captured nor defeated either to our knowledge. It seemed to always be a draw which is technically a loss for marines. Akainu was weaker than old whitebeard and before anyone says anything whitebeard got ganged up on the most through the entire fight... and knocked akainu out of multiple chapters even if he seemed “fine”. Obviously none of the admirals now were roger level... and if roger=whitebeard=garp then I come to the conclusion current admirals are just not as strong as prime garp. If current yonkos are basically a 9 compared to prime Ogs like roger and whitebeard 10, then I’d give admirals a 7. One of them isn’t enough but 2 would be mid diff. I can’t see akainu and fuji together losing to a yonko...
👏 👏 👏 my point exactly. It does not make sense narrative wise for Yonko and admirals to be equal. Yonkos must be significantly more powerful to be considered a legitimate threat to the WG.
Also I was not weaker and ate Whitbeard’s full power sneak attack. Then after that, he smacked his crew. Stop it.
Akainu ain't weaker than old whitebeard and probably even or stronger. which puts him at yonko level this also puts akoji at yonko level to as they are relative in power. This doesn't disrupt the balance as it's navy vs all the pirates
At the end of the day, WB flew into an absolute rage and attacked Akainu after seeing one of his children die (for the first time?).
That was an attack out of anger, he couldn’t do anything, so it definitely was on the upper tiers of what WB was capable of, sick or not.
@@tigersclassof09 it makes complete narrative sense. They've always been mentioned in the same breath. Similar feats of strength and performances towards characters like marco or jimbei. A single yonko crew would need a massive force with at least one admiral to helm the battle. Thats a huge amount of resources considering they have to fight other pirates, yonko, and revolutionaries and keep peace between all kingdoms of the world, which they control 80-90% of. Thats one of the reasons the 4 admirals dont go around trying to take down all 4 yonko
Alright so these are my arguments why the Yonko should be stronger:
1. Blackbeard would never let Aokiji join his ranks if he wasn't confident he could beat him.
2. The dressrosa arc opening clearly shows the monster trio fighting the 3 strongest admirals. I think that's the next logical step for them since they are about to beat a yonko and his commanders. I don't see another shitstorm where Law and Kid play nice together, basically confirming Luffy is stronger. The rivalry needs to be ambiguous otherwise it's not a rivalry.
3. If the navy had so many yonko level marines, they could just start taking down the Yonko 1 by 1 instead of letting them roam free and rely on the Shichibukai for help.
Side note: the elders are probably useless, it's not unusual for someone to be on a high position without actually being strong. Just look at Spandam in CP9, he's still in CP0 even though he is useless.
Totally agree except for point 2, yes I know the anime is 100% canon but I don't totally rely on things shown in the openings; I think that the openings' purpose is to show badass fights and stuff, no deepest lore of the story.
They cannot take one yonkou down after the other. It is all about the balance, similar to nuclear powers not attacking one another because it would devastate both factions.
I think, concentrating their forces and fighting from an advantageous position, the navy is a favorite to win against any yonkou.
Let's say the navy beats one yonkou, anyone of them. That's a big statement, sure. But that requires a massive amount of manpower and casualties. Ok, they have won. Now what?
The other yonkou won't stay put. They don't like each other, but they roughly know how strong the respective crews are. And they also know if they let the navy regroup they might lose as well. The navy was shook when they heard about the alliance between Big Mom and Kaidou. They knew that fighting against a pretty healthy Shanks + crew at marineford might result in a loss or unable to maneuver.
Also: Other string pirates will form alliances because if they can beat a yonkou every other crew out there is in danger.
Point nr. 1 I'd say is fair.
Point nr. 2 I'd say is worthless, because it uses an *opening* and not any canon material that's not just there for show.
Point nr. 3 is interesting though.
From my perspective, a Yonko vs Admiral match is pretty much even, but the Yonko will always have their crew backing them up, meaning the marines would require quite a lot of soldiers themselves to not only win over the crew, but also bring someone with relevant strength help tip the balance in the admiral's favor. This would mean a victory for the marines, but heavy losses to the point where it might just be better to let the yonko go around as they please for the most part.
In regards to your first point. You could argue that shiryu was stringer than bb when he joined.
None of those work:
1. Aokiji is just an ally of Blackbeard, not one of his ranks. Blackbeard isn't that stupid.
2. That's just terrible. An opening? You may as well say that Chopper is going to fight Big Mom because of opening 21.
3. This is one of the most common and most awful ones. It makes no sense:
- you can't just walk into a Yonko's territory (as the Big Mom Pirates found out in Wano),
- it's dumb to send so many resources after just a single Yonko when there are 3 other Yonko, the Revolutionaries, and anyone stupid enough to attack a Celestial Dragon that the Admirals have to deal with.
- the WG finds the Yonko useful because they stop themselves and others from becoming Pirate King.
Those like the majority of all the other arguments used to try to place the Yonko above are simply terrible. I'm still yet to see a single good or logical one.
Akiunu has some of the craziest feats, and kizaru never seems like he’s trying even when he was fighting whitebeard.
As for kaido getting cut I think his mental broke and his haki stopped protecting him for a spilt second
Akainu has shit feats for getting wrecked by dead man.
@@estrossa8928 tanking one of the strongest attacks in the series is a shit feat?
Fatally wounding a yonko is a shit feat?
I wonder what u deem a good feat in this series
Akainu isn't an Admiral so I don't see why you would compare Admirals to him.
@@Cipher_Paul he is an admiral, there's 4 admirals just like how there's 4 yonkos
@@estrossa8928 “dead man” as if all the strongest dudes in the story aren’t dead.
I would say they are close but nobody is taking down shanks,bb,big mom,or Kaido all by themselves and the admirals are included
Not even Mihawk?
@@Yohane350 nah
akainu can take them all out lol, theres a reason luffys going to beat kaido before he even faces akainu
@@yogomonkey1967 Stop the cap💀
@@yogomonkey1967
Akainu can't beat Kaido. But the rest yes
Luffy: "I don't care if you're a navy Admiral or an Emperor of the sea!!! If I don't beat each and everyone of you… I'll never be the king of pirates!!!" Portrayal makes it clear that the Emperors and Admirals are in the same league. I mean, the Admirals are going to be the villains after Luffy beats Blackbeard. It doesn't make sense for the Admirals to be weaker storywise.
We don’t know that Luffy is heading for admirals after yonkos. I don’t see stuff like Kizaru vs Luffy
Lol yeah this don’t work because it’s more than likely Luffy beats an admiral
Before Blackbeard. They still inferior to the Yonko. Won’t be any easy fight but they not stronger
@@FireAngelChris no they arent inferior to yonko.
@@m.phoenix1399 They of the same tier but damn sure don’t have the admiral as superior.
@@FireAngelChris @Javier O Whitebeard: "I'm not interested in the treasure, but when it's found… the whole world will be turned upside down!" Luffy is gonna fight Blackbeard for the title of the pirate king, that's certain. And AFTER the one piece is found, the final war will beginn, so the Admirals are indeed the villains after the Emperors. Unless Luffy fights an Admiral in between, but I think that's unlikely.
Whitebeard wrecked Akainu as soon as he got his hands on him. Big Mom was thought to have Admiral potential as a child when she was swatting Warrior Giants. Shanks stopped the fighting in Marineford just by being present. Kaido survived execution by the World Government multiple times. I don't see how Emperors are not stronger.
Whitebeard didn't wreck Akainu though
@@NamelessKing_11After all of Akainu's underhanded tricks and betrayals, and all the battle damage Whitebeard took, this still happened:
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shanks pulled up to a fight when they were already finished packing up whitebeard he ain't do much he just came late to a fight with when everyone was already tired and also didn't sneak him talkign about how eh used dirty tricks when whitebeard attacked him from behind
@@russellyoung609 Yes, because the Marines, Warlords, and Admirals are known for backing down from a weak enemy after a little exertion.
@@umbraemilitos Akainu managed to hit Whitebeard multiple times with deadly shots. Akainu got up after 2 seconds from apparently "getting wrecked." I'm not saying Akainu won that fight, I'm just saying he sure as hell didn't get wrecked.
Yeah we do :>
I just think personally that the idea of the Admirals being considerably weaker than the Yonko makes no sense narratively since it would literally make the final confrontation with the top of the navy a one second fight in their minds where Luffy just breaths and they fall to him. It only makes sense that the Admirals are basically on par or stronger at points to certain Yonko.
honestly this is all hype from Whitebeard. the rest of the yonko were not on his level
Considerably weaker no, they never were, never were said to be. But they don't have to be on par with the yonko power level wise, that makes no sense. Considering what's happening on Wano: a fully rested Luffy is clashing with a tired, wounded, concentrating on lifting an island Kaido. You really think Luffy stands a chance against Kaido in a real 1v1? that's why even if he beats Kaido now, that's not a real win, so it would still make perfect sense for admirals to be a serious threat to Luffy, because despite being weaker than the yonko, they are still VERY close, close enough to people Luffy can't defeat on his own yet. If a yonko is a 100, an admiral is a 90 or 85, and Luffy is a 70-80 at most.
@@estebanbr7596 I actually consider old whitebeard the weakest yonko at the time. Not only was he old and sick but it was implied/stated he couldn’t use conquerors or observation at the time. He got hit by squardo and Marco noted he shouldn’t have been hit by that and when he tried conquerors to save ace he almost got a heart attack. Do u think an old, sick whitebeard who can’t use observation and conquerors can take kaido??
@@dantheman5607 well WB was never on par with the yonko he was a tier above even sick he would go down one tier. Like if kaido were sick he would go down to katakuris level probably.
@@estebanbr7596 what the hell are you smoking my guy?
This debate is never gonna end. Things are left open ended on purpose to keep us guessing where we won't know what's the correct answer. Things are ambiguous and until Oda at least gives us more detail, well never know.
Actually, he did. It's pretty clear who's stronger than who or who's EQUALLY strong as who.
@@tresnonugroho6397 We rarely see most top tiers in OP actually going all out to a point that we can get an obvious point of comparison between them. Not to mention that we don't get an uninterrupted fight between such people. An actual uninterrupted fight between Akainu and a Yonko could really go any other way and produce a result that we wouldn't expect.
@@tresnonugroho6397 how is it clear lol
@@tresnonugroho6397 pretty convenient to say that and not give examples? Are you afraid people will challenge a more non broad statement?
@@udonnauchegbu2018
1.) That's because One Piece is NEVER an fighting battle martial arts-based action-focused manga to begin with. Hence, what you said: "We rarely see most top tiers in OP actually going all out [snip] Not to mention that we don't get an uninterrupted fight between such people."
2.) Did I say One Piece is not an action manga? I keep saying this since some people (not saying you) conveniently forget that and/or become delusional.
Because of this, when such fight happens, .....
3.) CONTEXTS MATTER. Who fights who, when and where, for what reason and goal, etc.
Also, personality matters. Consider this: hitting a woman for no reason in front of Zoro would have different result than in front of Sanji.
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Now onto Yonkou (the individual, not the whole crew) vs Admiral....
1.) The Admirals are described as "The Greatest Military Force" (Chapter 303 and 319).
2.) They're 4 Yonkou and 4 Admirals (technically it's 3 Admirals and 1 Fleet Admiral).
If the Admirals were much, much weaker, then there should've been more of them, right? Similarly, if they were much stronger, then there should've been less. But not the case.
3.) The two groups are ABOUT equal.
Yes, there might be difference in strength but it's largely insignificant. If you wanted some numbers, one is 1 000 000 and the other is 999 900.
A fight between a Yonkou and an Admiral can go either way in extreme diff.
Do u remember Black Beard running away from Akainu? Black Beard being a yonko at the time, while Akainu became fleet admiral. If they did clash I would bet my money on Akainu
Blackbeard was not even close to yonko level back then even sengoku was call him litle punk
@@foaka4404 yeah lol 😂😂😂
You know if Admirals were stronger than Yonkou then they would've already defeated all the Yonkou by now😂. But they still fear Yonkou 😂
I think one reason why we view the Yonko as being stronger is because they operate individually. They each have an enormous hierarchy that they command, while the Admirals seem like triplets collectively leading one gigantic pirate group.
I was about to go on with my day but THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
Mtash fan?
I’m sorry but it will still take two admirals to beat a yonko.
Edit: man I’m done tryna prove my point. My whole point was no yonko is losing to an admiral 1v 1. You have to bring two to assure victory. Ofc, it got blown outta proportion and even some of y’all were saying shanks would get low diffed by akainu😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️ which is blasphemy. It was even said somewhere in the anime that even a yonko shouldn’t face two admirals. Also, I never said the yonko wash the admirals either. Now y’all got me mad asf and I can’t have that shit man. Y’all do you in these comments though🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Nope 2 yonkos to beat an admiral shanks would have been turned into a doughnut at marineford if the marines fought
@@batsbat8664 dude. Shanks blocked off akainu attack with ease and akainu backed off. Even after shanks offered the smoke. Stop trying to nitpick certain parts. Shanks deadass said who wants the smoke. Bb ran. Akainu ran. Garp was left in awe. Sengoku didn’t want it either. Shanks can clash with wb equally, Ben Beckham is said to be near shanks strength. Shanks crew is said to be the strongest well rounded crew. Cmon now
@@batsbat8664 on top of that, kaido puts shanks up there with roger and wb and rocks and oden. Do I need to explain why shanks wouldn’t have lost at Marineford?
@@ayeekoolaid520 plus kizaru wanted to go to wano by himself to take care of kaido and big m
@@ayeekoolaid520 the fact is that white beard tanked like 200+ wounds, was old and sick, couldn't use color of arms if this is prime wb it's obvious akainu is getting molly wopped
If Admirals were equal to Yonko's power. Then why not send 2 admirals to utterly destroy a Yonko? One admiral against a Yonko. And another admiral to keep all the other crewmates in check like King and Queen? The answer is simple: they arent equal in power.
You do realize them being equal would mean it’s not a guaranteed win… that’s just dumb
@@Charlie-cb1bt IF 1 admiral equals 1 yonko. Then 2 admirals should be enough. I literally said why not sent 2 admirals....
@@pittayayas and as u also mentioned in ur comment they have a crew… yonkos also have multiple alliances. U literally spelled it out for urself in ur original comment
@@pittayayas so if yonkos=admirals and 1 admiral is 1v1ing 1 yonko and the other admiral is taking care of his crew, what makes u think that would be a guaranteed win? Also there is definitive proof that admirals being equal to yonkos does not mean a guaranteed win as we see with garp sengoku and roger being stated equals. And based off narrative the new generation will surpass the old generation. So if the old generation were equals both sides of the new generation would have to surpass them according to this. And what would happen in the final war if the yonkos were definitively stronger than the admirals? With the amount of yonko level allies luffy will have, they would no diff the navy right? Why would Oda do that
@@Charlie-cb1bt if 1 admiral is = 1 yonko. You think the 2nd admiral is not gonna fodder 1st and 2nd commander??? LMAO why you would ever assume 1st/2nd commander is close to a yonkos lvl they are not. As Big mom foddered queen. 2 admirals would be enough if yonko=admiral in power. But they arent.
Kaido batted a gear fourth Luffy that knew armament haki, and knocked him out. Kizaru's kick to a pre-haki pre-timeskip Luffy in marineford, didn't knock him out (although he was able to shoot through pre-timeskip supernova and Zoro). Aokiji was able to stab Luffy, but as it is pre-timeskip that is the minimum he should be able to do, and there is some question if he was really trying as a favor to Garp. Old Rayleigh was able to hold Kizaru up for a substantial length of time, and Garp doubted the marines had sufficient resources to deal with both Whitebeard and Rayleigh at once. Jozu was able to make Aokiji bleed, which seems like it'd not make sense if Admiral is meant to be Yonko level, and needed a distraction to be taken down. Marco has taken on all 3 admirals in the one battle, although not to a conclusion. Aokiji was happy to send wave upon wave of men at Whitebeard but was not confident to take a hit from him until substantially far into the battle.
Additionally several of the warlords traded blows relatively equally with most of the people that fought with admirals evenly (for a while).
The scaling seems to be that Admirals ~ Warlords ~ High Ranking Yonko crewmen. Whitebeard had wave upon wave of marine mooks shooting their guns and cannons at him, and swinging their swords at him, before they had the Admirals go in for a try. Their tactics don't seem to suggest that they could take a Yonko in a straight fight, but can take them after wearing them down with a lot of men and gunpowder being expended. It's more tactical then "You fool, my number big, you do nothing!".
Honestly if I was a mook marine and the admirals said, "Yeah we have about 4 or 5 guys that can take Whitebeard, but since we're more valuable then you can you die in great numbers so that we have a slightly decreased death chance". The morale in the marines would be not very good. If it's actually necessary to give the admirals a chance, then I can see why they had as much morale as they did during marineford.
can you please say the answer in simpler words
@@ravenpie12 I thought it was fairly simple.
Whitebeard was shot 46 times with a cannon, and Sakazuki was then able to hold him off (assuming cannon blasts were received before the Sakazuki fight).
Thus
Sakazuki + 46 cannonball hits ~ Whitebeard
Therefore, Sakazuki < Whitebeard.
I've never really seen the Yonko is extremely more powerful than the admirals. More powerful, yes, but I think they would be pretty difficult fights.
Whitebeard was dying when he destroyed Akainu.
He was dying both from his incurable disease and his stab to the heart by Squardo and yet he still destroyed Akainu who was the most powerful Admiral at the time.
If he had not been sick and not been stabbed through the heart he would have had no trouble defeating Akainu.
There are 3 Admirals and 1 Fleet Admiral so the 3 strongest member of Luffy's crew will probably have to face off against the 3 Admirals while he deals with Akainu which means that, if they are near Yonko Level, the 3 strongest members of Luffy's crew would finally be Yonko Level (or very very near) by beating.
You guys always say Luffy isn't Yonko Level and yet Admirals and future Strawhats would be?
That's ridiculous.
@@Cipher_Paul I've literally never said Luffy isn't Yonko level, you're just assuming something random based off a completely different statement that I made, which is kind of weird.
Akainu was also holding back during the war because he was trying to preserve as much of navy HQ as possible. See how Punk Hazard looks and you think any of the Admirals were going all out during that war? Yonko I think are strong, it's just not by a large margin like some people think.
@@Cipher_Paul he got his face burned off and akainu got up after that ...
For real, people really be underestimating the Admirals while we have very few feats of them unlike the Yonkos.
@@mattc4266 he get up after a whole chapter imaoo that nigga was luck that he fell if akainu don't fell wb would murder him with another or two blow
Imo the gap is not big enough to make a significant difference it would come down to the specific matchups for each fight extreme diff no matter who wins but at that level all top teirs could theoretically take each other out the main difference between the admirals and yonko is more a matter of portrayal not power.
Exactly it's basically the top 10 in the world the gap wouldn't be that large
@@dariuswilliams7509It mostly comes down to how the story has hyped up those characters while the admirals we're getting fleshed out the yonko we're being hyped up behind the scenes If they had been introduced and fleshed out at the same time I don't think there would be this huge gap in a lot of people's minds between the 2 groups.
Agreed. It baffles me how something so simple seems to be so difficult for some people to understand. A lot of people just don't seem to want to think about it logically and come up with all sorts of terrible excuses linstead.
Yonko have definitely been portrayed as the more powerful between the two through hype and feats. The fact WB in his weakened state could take an Admiral out in 2 hits speaks volume about a Yonko's strength. While at the same time it took Akainu 10 days to beat Aokiji.
@@malikmonk5240 you're so right that's personally why I love the Marine Ford arc so much because it gave you a taste of what the top tier looked like and as far as akainu getting destroyed by whiteboard idk about that if you take away the hype of finally seeing a yonko go all out for the first time akainu definitely got manhandled at first but their fight was a lot more balanced than a lot of people want to admit I think whiteboard was personally a bad match up for akainu and aokiji because of whitebeard's op devil fruit and haki mastery not to mention the fact that they're really weren't that many straight up 1 on 1 fights because it was a war so it definitely helped the with the portrayal of how powerful the yonko we're compared to the admirals.
The thing about power levels in OP they’re a lot closer than scalers and most readers think also matchups are important. Most characters that have haki that ppl think still are fodder to the top tiers actually could give them a decent fight.
It's all head cannon honestly I do feel like the story establishes a yonko over admiral tier though. This is most obviously displayed during the Marineford war. We'll get more clarity after wano or final war. But until then I see it that way nothing admirals have been able to show so far makes me think they'd be able to take out any of the yonko 1v1
Facts
the Marines felt that they needed the Warlord System in order to balance out/rival the strength of a Yonko. which means to me that the Y (a Yonko's entire empire)=M (entire Marine army)+(7*W) (7 Warlords).
so statistically the Marines could take down Kiado with all of their resources and 7 Buggies.
More like all Roger + all Yonkos with a fleet of 7 Buggys
1 Buggy is more than enough to take on all 4 yaanko and there crew
That's just plain incorrect. The Marines had the Warlord system to balance out all 4 Yonko. It is Marines + Shichibukai = 4 Yonko.
That much should be painfully obvious at this point. They crushed the WB pirates despite them getting help from Luffy's group which was basically 4 Warlords, and they didn't have any significant casualties.
The only one that was injured (Akainu) could still fight the remaining 13 WB Commanders and was winning on top of that.
No matter how much one downplays the Marines, the idea that they are somehow only equivalent to 1 Yonko crew is plain silly.
Buggy certified OG Black Force Energy all over the place
terrible take. The world gov absolutely annihilated Whitebeard and his crew + 43 allied ships with minimal losses to anyone but fodder. The whitebeard pirates lost many men, Whitebeard himself, ace, Marco was Injured....only person of importance on the WG that was injured was Akainu and he was still good enough to solo 13 WBP commanders at the same time. The World Government and all their forces = all four yonkos, or WG+ Warlords = all 4 yonkos together, something like that.
I feel like the level of strength is the Marines can’t really be compared to Yonkos or their crews. Marines are government organizes. I can’t remember their names but there were two vice admiral who were also looked at to be admirals and Garp who we all know to be at least strong enough to be an admiral. Sengoku is still apart of the marines and was a fleet admiral. I prefer the yonkos personally but I think the marines and admirals are more than likely much stronger than we believe.
I totally agree
Yeah i don't think your wrong at all about the marines being stronger then one Yonko and his crew, but isn't that besides the point though? i think in the context between just one admiral vs one Yonko, the Yonko still is more powerfull. Otherwise a more fair comparison would be the marines vs all the Yonko and there crews. But yeah, all in all theres powerhouses all over one piece, many of who we barely have scratched the surface off. But from what we know im still pretty sure one Yonko vs one Admiral, any one of them, the Yonko is more powerfull, and i think marineford went out of its way to show us that, first by the old half dying sick whitebeard slapping around Akainu and then again with they way he pictured Shanks arrival. But i can be wrong, and at this point so can anyone else.
This is how I see it:
1 yonko would have a hard bargain vs 2 admirals, but 2 yonkos would crush 1 admiral
Jewelry Bonnie captured by Black Beard.. During that time BB avoided conflict with Sakazuki
Yes, now it's even easier to say that Yonko are over Admirals, because when Big Mom and Kaido fall, there is going to be less Yonko characters in the series, and someone needs to defeat the admirals, and because the are going to be less Yonko level characters (just Luffy, Shanks and Blackbeard) that means someone else is probably going to have to defeat some of the admirals. I don't see Shanks, Luffy and Blackbeard defeating all of them, I think 3/4 admirals plus fleet admiral are falling by hands of the other characters, there is no substantial narrative for Luffy, Shanks and Blackbeard to have admiral match-ups besides Luffy vs Akainu (for Ace), but even that can be delegated to Sabo. To conclude, with so small number of Yonko level pirates by the end of Wano, and no narrative around those match-ups, some of the admirals are going down by lesser hands than those of Luffy, Shanks and BB, possibly Sanji, Zoro, Kid, Law etc. So the current events with possibly 2 of the Yonko falling in Wano actually helps the argument Yonko>Admirals.
That makes no sense.
- Do you think that Sanji, Zoro, Kidd, Law etc are just not going to get stronger?
- Do you think that multiple characters can't face off against them just like we are seeing with the Yonko?
- What about the Revolutionaries and other allies that Luffy will have?
I'd say all the current events show us is how badly overhyped the Yonko have been for so long. An even stronger version of the Strawhats plus a worldwide alliance will be needed at the end to take down the Admirals & Marines when some of the Yonko would already be a thing of the past....especially considering this is a shounen.
Well I think there will be a reason to face off once “the world gets flipped on it’s head” and the one piece wrecks it’s havoc on the world
@@MetakJesu07 lol that alliance will be needed to take down the entirety of the world government not just the admirals at the end of the series. Lol it’s more than likely that a former admiral or 2 might be on this same alliance side.
I actually do think that Yonko and admirals are on a similar level, it's just that recent events don't give the argument Admirals>Yonko and that it could be interpreted as Yonko>Admirals. I think we'll just have to wait and see.
That just sounds really bias
If you were to make whitebeard vs Akainu a sole 1v1, WB would’ve won. He literally kept getting sneak attacked by all three admirals as well as Squard stabbing him through the heart, the marines shooting him with both guns and cannons and don’t forget the WB pirates hinting that he was holding back as his power would put them in trouble as well. There’s your context. And since we’re talking about old WB there’s no point in adding the context that he was sick and under heavy medication as well as being strapped to medical equipment
However, garp and sengoku were portrayed to be on the same level as roger and whitebeard. Its not fair to compare WB to Akainu. WB is of the older generation. We should be comparing Akainu to Big Mom and Kaidou, in which case, Akainu i reckon would take a victory.
Sneak attacked? He fought them one on one from the front and sneak attacked Akainu. Aokiji didn’t break a sweat, Kizaru blitzed the fuck out of him and easily blew holes through him, and Akainu ate everything he threw at him and smacked his crew afterwards while dealing significant damage. Stop it, you’re being disingenuous saying he was sneak attacked by three admirals.
Bro first akainu was holding back, it's in marine territory and doesn't want tl destroy it. Second akainu was fighting on par with whitebeard 3rd even after the fight akainu got up and carried on attacking other people like Marco, jimbe and ace. Akainu left the most devastating blows to whitebeard. Blowing his face in half. We seen kizura actually being faster than wb showing that yonko=admirals and i believe akainu would've of won the 1v1
@@Max-yz9zd bro what as far as any feats whitebeard Is superior only thing akainu got is his fruit ,whitebeeaed has physical power ,fruit and a blade or his weapon 🤦
@@scarfacemartinez you talking like WB doesn't use a df, let alone one of the most powerful dfs ever
Guys lets be real an admiral vs an emperor , 1vs1 , the emeror is winning every day of the weak .
From the beginning of the story it was established that the marines needed all 3 admirals to equal the power of one of the yonko
marines need 3 admiral to equal one of the yonko? lmao akainu literally turned wb into a donut and blew half of wb face just by himself… and then he continue soloing the whole wb commanders alone
Yonko =admiral
Aged like milk
My guess is
Fleet Admiral: Yonko tier
Admirals + Kuzan: Stronger than a 1st commander
thats how I've always seen it too
So i guess you missed it during Marineford when Kizaru whooped Whitebeards as*.
@@saellenx3528 and Akainu bullied WB in MF, and later on soloed his entire crew lmao.
@@saellenx3528 yup a past his prime white beard 🙄
@@bazo8275 bullied?…the man was old and sick…and had Akaiunu ass on the run
You know we're hungry for the content
There was 3 admirals and 1 fleet admiral in marine Ford war but still one old and very ill yonko gave them hell imagine what would happen if there were 4 yonkos in marine Ford
7:46 That shit made me laugh fr fr I know that Doffy would be terrified
a Yonko is above admiral simply for the fact that the whole power balance deal revolved around equaling the might of a Yonko fleet they need the whole marine force including the admirals and the fleet admiral. if u equal admirals to Yonko then u simply imply that the 4 Yonko in a perfect scenario where they work together they can be equaled by 1 fleet admiral + 3 admirals ? Nah I don't see that happening.
Don’t add up by any metric and when they got rid of the 3rd power they wanted to fill the void with a new invention SSG
That doesn't make sense. The balance revolves around them countering all 4 Yonkos, not just a single fleet which they are obviously much more powerful than.
They crushed the WB pirates with some of their top fighters like Garp & Sengoku doing little to nothing, and others like the Admirals just disappearing at convenient times for the pirates. That was with the Yonko fleet getting help from Luffy's group of basically half the Warlords as well. They didn't have a single significant casualty either. In fact, the only one injured (Akainu) was leading the charge against the remaining Yonko crew himself and would have wiped them out. So again, the idea that they somehow only match a single Yonko fleet is just plain ridiculous.
@@MetakJesu07 If they were truly equal to the 4 emporors, the yonkos would've been crushed ages ago. They exert pressures on all the emporors and hold more power than a single yonko crew so they can continue exerting pressure without much hope of losing as the emperors are all at each other's throats. If they fought, another emperor would gain an advantage so they are in a balance. Even without the navy, they'd be balanced but their authority would be more widespread and the navy have enough power to keep them in the new world (not that they plan to expand territory outside it).
" . if u equal admirals to Yonko then u simply imply that the 4 Yonko in a perfect scenario where they work together they can be equaled by 1 fleet admiral + 3 admirals ? "
That's not how the balance of power works at all. Yonkos have powerful commanders that need to be taken seriously. You can't just ignore the Yonkos crews. It should also be pointed out that the Fleet admiral is not supposed to be fighting, as Sengoku points out during marineford.
If the Yonkos ever worked together though, they would beat the WG, but the balance of power is predicated upon them not being allied. When this changed with Kaido/Big mom alliance, who was about to go ALONE? an admiral. Why would Kizaru go if he had no chance at fighting a Yonko 1v1?
@@disrupt94 Kizaru offered to go there not to defeat them but break them up by somehow turning them against each other. Otherwise, he'd stand 0 chance of even being able to do anything.
I would always give yonkos the slight edge, only just though I can't really specify why as admirals and yonkos are the same tier. But obviously certain individuals are stronger than the other 🤔.
Story wise, Yonkou's should be strongest otherwise the marines wouldn't consider them the powerhouse that they are. The marines could take them down if they actually tried.
@@bilogskii2216 That makes no sense. The Yonko can still be powerhouses even if others are just as strong.
@@MetakJesu07 bruh if yonkos could be matched they would’ve tried already, clearly there have been attempts in the past and they always fail. There’s no way akainu is not getting bodied by big mom and If he almost got bodied by a near death whitebeard💀
@@MiamiMAJIN They would have tried what exactly? Invading a Yonko's territory? That's just a stupid decision.
Did you think that they could just waltz into a Yonko's territory and ask for a friendly 1 on 1 match, lol!
Also, do you mean the same Big Mom that couldn't "body" a vulnerable Kidd that was lying defensless on the ground? Yeah....that's certainly believable...
Are you also acting surprised that Whitebeard was able to damage Akainu after attacking him from behind? What do you think would happen if Akainu were the one attacking WB from behind? You are basically just suggesting that Akainu is much stronger if that is your criteria.
@@MiamiMAJIN facts
What is the intro music?
I can't believe these videos are free they're so entertaining
Akainu couldn't even use his fruit fully at Marineford due to marines being there. Imagine Akainu vs Whitebeard and he turns the island or part of it into lava -_-
Same goes for Whitebeard. If Ace wasn't there he would've sank the whole Marineford Island to the sea floor.
Kaido could blow up the Marineford castle tho with blast breath. Idk for sure tho, i say its very very close
Whitebeard would’ve sunk marineford if he used his full power, so he held back because it would still kill Ace and his other subordinates if he didn’t hold back.
@@HyakuJuu01300 wrong. he used tsunami attacks that would've drowned ace, use his punches toward ace's platform. tilted the grounds and seas.
so it's not the same as akainu
@@crazygamer-mr6nr wrong
I feel like they’re basically equal with kaido and akainu as the strongest two
you feel wrong
Holy shit
@@PamePublic facts
Never not even close always Admiral = Yonko remember it’s not just the navy and warlords vs the yonko in fact the warlords weren’t even a guaranteed ally according to multiple sources of dialogue as well as confirmed examples in doggy and crocodile it’s more like the navy vs the yonko sometimes the warlords and all other pirates in the whole world weak and strong ones the admirals are the top of that if they needed all three admirals just to contend 1 yonko there would be no such thing as the three great powers there must be a balance in the world as a matter of fact I truly believe just 3 admirals can take Down 1 yonko and their whole entire crew fleet and all their allies a 1v1 vs an admiral and yonko is always ALWAYS PURE 50/50 the winner is coming out extreme difficulty and might not be able to fight anyone til the next arc no one not even haki to even defend himself and the other two admirals will wreck their entire crew in fact an admiral vs a 1yc is a 95% for the admiral to win low diff essentially the other admiral could take the 2nd 3rd gc and the whole rest of the crew in low to mid difficulty then if the yonko won the two admirals would literally one tap them. Yonko vs admiral is always 50/50 except shanks I truly believe shanks is weaker then every admiral and woul lose 6 outta 10 times no debate
Powerful pirates have shown us hints
- Apoo and the Supernova weren't necessarily scared of Kizaru , but were terrified of tackling a Yonko alone. We saw how quickly Kaido disposed of powerful commanders , something that the admirals have yet to show.
- Doffy was ready to fight Fuji , but was terrified of the thought of angering Kaido.
- Zoro and Luffy were ready to challenge Fujitora , but we have seen the progress they have had to develop to fight a Yonko or YC1.
- The only time we have seen an admiral pursuing a pirate was when Akainu was ready to fight BB and his crew. I'll like to see Akainu try taking on BB, now that he is a Yonko.
" Apoo and the Supernova weren't necessarily scared of Kizaru "
The one supernova who was part of the marine (X-drake) was absolutely scared of Kizaru. Basil Hawkins also said that he had zero chance of fighting Kizaru. Bonnie was was terrified of the prospect of Zoro cutting a celestial dragon, because sending an admiral would be the outcome. The rest were not scared since they were overconfident rookies but they were handled with a single casual kick.
" Doffy was ready to fight Fuji , but was terrified of the thought of angering Kaido. "
I hope you do not seriously believe this. Fujitora is an agent of the world government, So Doflamingo knew he would not touch him. Case in point, look how quickly Doflamingo flees after Kuzan shows up and freezes him without effort. In no way, shape, or form was Doflamingo ready to fight an admiral.
" Zoro and Luffy were ready to challenge Fujitora "
Of course, they frequently jump into challenges they are not ready for. It proves nothing. Sengoku stated that Fujitora purposefully let the strawhats escape.
" The only time we have seen an admiral pursuing a pirate was when Akainu was ready to fight BB and his crew."
Kizaru at Sabaody?
" I'll like to see Akainu try taking on BB, now that he is a Yonko."
Dude, Blackbeard had two DFs and his entire crew with him, he still ran away from Akainu.
Honestly, I think it’s portrayal. Yonkos have been hyped up for a while and we are finally seeing them in action. Admirals were also hyped up, but it was more about the pirates side aka Luffy. If we had Coby as a protagonist during the timeskip, I believe we would’ve gotten that same portrayal with the Admirals. I think after Wano we are heading towards the World Government/Marine side and we will see how strong they are compared to the Yonkos. Personally, I think both sides are equal to each other. Whoever wins would be decided differently every time they would fight I feel like.
The Unbiase thing is what we need Yu deserve 10k likes
lets just use some logic here do we really think whitebeard would have thrown kiado or bigmom or shanks around like he did with akinue? I just dont see it
They have to be roughly equal forces, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to have them as one of the three major forces upholding the delicate balance of powers in the world. One thing that I think Oda should've done from the beginning to have a more clear picture is showcase the marines way more than what he did.
More feats from vice-admirals (maybe an arc with Luffy having to face one before Aokiji), more fights with Smoker and other marines of similar rank, and more feats of strength from the admirals in the war aside from taking down the commanders of WB while they had their guard down (which shouldn't be seen as an accomplishment on their part imo, same with Akainu landing a blow on an old man with arthritis and heart disease).
facts man
@@uncomfortabletruths7990 either that fight was inconclusive or akainu won
Idk what bda was smoking when he made this argument lmfao
If Admirals were above yonko level, paramount war wouldn't be an incident where all 3 of the admirals face off against a sick and old yonko, not to mention all other navy branches and warlords
It could even be possible that the hierarchy of the world gov.t has the Admirals really fulfilling the roles of the commanders of the Yanko fleets which if Oda has plans to end one piece in around 5 years or so could very well fit into the timeline of having Blackbeard and WG as the last arcs/opposition
Honestly, if Admirals were simply given the go ahead to straight up destroy everything without a single fuck given...Then I'd think a majority of fans would kinda turn around far sooner on how they see this gap.
I look at Punk Hazard and just think...What if Sengoku told the OG Admirals to go all out back at Marineford, friendly fire be damned?
Perhaps it wouldn't change much but it won't be so downplaying on those guys.
I mean, the only thing missing from Marineford was the friendly fire that you mentioned and even then there was some of that. During the war, Kizaru asked Sengoku, “can we punish them all with death?” He says yes so I think it was just the way the fights were had and whatnot.
tbf that never stopped Sakazuki lmao
talking about if,
if whitebeard didnt get slashed thru his chest, if whitebeard didnt get any heart attack. ah, i wonder what will happen 😅
Y'all are arguing with extremes. Nobody downplays them. They're just weaker than the strongest characters in the series but also the closest to them. It's not difficult.
To me, there’s should be absolutely be no scenario where an admiral should be able to take on a Yonko on their own. For the mere fact that they have a fleet admiral, Garp, Sengoku, five elders and IM above them, if an admiral was all it took to handle a yonko, who should be the best of the best pirates, the pirate world would be the biggest joke. I’m Akainu’s case, he was already qualified to be a fleet admiral at marineford as there were already tensions between himself and Aokiji over the position. You can be an admiral with fleet admiral level power because eventually someone is going to be the next one up. All I’m saying is kizaru and Fujitora don’t fall in that category as they are purely admiral level, which is only enough to contend with YC on their own.
I see it differently, as much as sakazuki and kuzan were the candidates for the job, it doesn't mean kizaru couldn't have been one. I'm sure it was a decision made upon the mental attributes of each pre timeskip admiral. Borsalino didn't have any vouchers or supporters within the WG ranks to back him, and apparently he himself didn't care
That makes no sense. Garp is a Vice Admiral so he's below the Admirals. Sengoku was the Fleet Admiral, so those aren't 2 separate things. The 5 Elders are the top Celestial Dragons who are above everyone else. Did you think just because Charloss is above the Admirals they can't be strong? What sort of sense does that make?
Your statement also works both ways. If the best of the Marines couldn't handle the best of the pirates then the Navy would just be a joke. Why would it be okay for the Navy to be a joke but not the pirates?
And any Admiral can become Fleet Admiral, so all 3 were already qualified at Marineford. That literally says nothing new or special. Admiral and Fleet Admiral aren't separate levels of power. That's just a baseless and arbitrary separation.
@@MetakJesu07 makes perfect sense. There’s at reason I mentioned Garp and Sengoku without their titles, because Sengoku is a fleet admiral level marine regardless, and Garp remained vice admiral purely by choice if you didn’t know this already. Also you should relax, Charlos is not part of the navy, or the world government, he’s merely protected by them, so you can forget an him. And yes, it would be a huge joke for an marine of Admiral level to be able to handle a Yonko alone, because sadly, the admiral level marines will never be as strong as fleet admiral level marines, so i think it makes perfect sense. If yonko are unlucky enough to have to two fleet admiral level marines as admirals that’s their unfortunate problem, Sengoku and Garp are the Aokiji and Akainu of old thus I wouldn’t expect that all the admirals in the new generation would remain weaker than their predecessors. I’m not saying the admirals are slouches, but there’s definitely a difference between admiral level marines and fleet admiral level marines. Sengoku and Garp are fleet admiral level marines because they have no competition below that position in the navy, and the same now goes for Akainu. If by some chance some admiral went toe to toe with one of the yonko for a significant period, he would happen to be a fleet admiral level marine or else it would indeed be the biggest joke of the pirate world. The fact that you want these marines run around with no way to rank their strengths is ludacris. At least present a power system for me to even see what your point is.
@@nedumnwanze4120 he may very well be a fleet admiral level marine to be able to clash with Rayleigh, but I need to see him clash with more active pirates on his level. Although you may be right about it being a higher up decision, it still came down to a battle to decide, and right now I just don’t see Kizaru posing as difficult an opponent as Kuzan and Akainu did to each other.
That sneaky "Law's part of the Strawhats now" though.
was just thinking about this omw home and future fight matchups etc and boom this video on my recommended
Eveytime the Strawhats have ran into an Admiral it's always tragic. Aokiji nearly killed Luffy. Kizaru nearly bodied every Supa Nova including Luffy and the crew. Akainu killed Ace and nearly got Luffy. Fujitora did not want to fight the Strawhats. Admirals are a menace II society.
First of all, everything you mentioned there was pre time skip except Fujitora, but I'll remind that the straw hats never went all out against Fujitora and they weren't even scared of him like they were pre time skip when they faced against Aokiji, Kizaru, they simply got stronger they could probably take down an Admiral
@@catalyst.4664 did I say anything erroneous?
Garp asked a lower-ranking marine, "Do you think the Navy can handle two legends at the same time?". This implies that the Navy cannot do it, or at least have a very hard time doing it.
If the Navy will have a hard time handling both WB and Rayleigh, then I cant see how some people think they ( the Navy) can handle all 4 yonkos at the same time (unless theyre saying old and crewless Rayleigh is a bigger threat than BM, Kaido and Shanks combined).
Furthermore, if the Navy cant handle all 4 yonkos and will have a hard time handling even 2 yonko-level threats, then that means the Navy forces are guaranteed to win against 1 yonko and his crew at the very least. Which means 1 admiral isn't equal to 1 yonko.
they also got scared when they heard Big Mom and Kaido were linking up. Needed Rogers help to beat Rocks. Marines never been on the same level they just got some new crazy tech is all
They didn’t even want Whitbeard and Shanks to meet.
@@FireAngelChris facts
@@foaka4404 lol like come on man
@@FireAngelChris facts it's crazy that the navy got four yonko level character but the gorosei started to sweat in cold when they was reported that shanks would meet wb they shit theyr pants at the idea about shanks join wb for the war ahhahahaha even garp was say to a fodder that the navy can't handle two leggend at the same time he was talkin about wb and rusty rayleigh that is not even close to the power of a prime yonko like kaido but yea this foxies still say admirals equal yonko even when the story and oda himself potray otherwise the yonko are at the top in op individualy the potray of them beat the others potray of others high tiers dudes
Just wanna say, I watch you more for the feeling of friendship hearing you discuss these topics than for the actual OP content at times lol.
Akainu was knocked out after taking just 3 hits from a badly damaged Whitebeard so sick he was unable to use conquerors haki to save Ace. In that state he was still able to do what Kuzan couldn't do in what was it? 7 days? 10 days?
The admirals have formidable devil fruits, yes. But at least I am left with the impression that if you take that away, they are not drastically different from vice admirals when it comes to dealing and tanking damage.
Akainu wasn’t knocked out just out of Commission plus he tanked 3 quake attack from a bloodlusted WB reasoning is because ace was killed by that man so he wanna make sure that man was dead but Akainu wasn’t knocked he got back of after chapter and was taking down man commanders with ease
Admirals and Younko are around the same level! Younkous are more feared because of their influence, their lands, their wealth, their doings (like crimes) and their crew.
Admirals are Admirals purely by their own skills and abilities. Obviously the portrayal is different, but thats just expected, it doesn't necessarily reflects strength.
Its basically the same level.
Its a range also, aokiji is not equal to Momousagi even tho she was gonna be an admiral, Shanks was not as strong as he is today when he got the yonko title, so there can be weaker and stronger admirals and yonko
Some of them are clearly equals, like any of the yonko and at least akainu and aokiji, probably kizaru too
Bro fytb we never saw Shanks go all out. He's still in his prime his like in his 30s still
@@catalyst.4664 Of course i know we have never seen him fight all out, but there are fair expectations
Start of Marineford, before everything popped off. WB vs Akainu 1v1, gimme Newgate all day.
IMO Akainu, Issho, Ryokugyu, Kizaru, Kuzan are all equal in strength. Yonko stronger than all of them.
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I honestly think the admirals are comparable to the yonko. The only reason why the yonko seem like such untouchable creatures is because of reputation. A yonko would be going around wreaking havoc and displaying their power because, well, they’re pirates. But you wouldn’t expect an admiral to be going around doing that right? One is portrayed as a “criminal” while the other the “enforcer”.
Great observation.
Edit:
There's something called "FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives" or something similar but there's no such thing as "Ten Most Dangerous Police Officer".
@@tresnonugroho6397 well, maybe in some countries there are... haha
Untrue. Yonko are far stronger than mere admirals. They are self-made. One of them could threaten the whole marines that they would seek help from warlords while admirals are replaceable in their organizations. Fall of a Yonko has an impact on the world while admirals aren't. A weaker WB crushed akainu and didn't even use haki. Big mom, kaido and shanks would also demolish a mere admirals.
@@repusprimus2872 you sir are the problem bda was talking about in the video.
@@dayumson9yearsagoupdated867 you sir take bdas words like they are absolute truths. Yonkos can be defeated yes. But one or two admirals aren't a threat to them. That is a fact shown in the manga. If you are saying akainu did this and that to whitebeard. Whitebeard had several disadvantages stacked against him. They could not even finish off sickly injured whitebeard, blackbeard pirates did. You do remember what WB did to akainu even with akainus thick plot armor.
I've always seen it this way: it doesn't really matter how we powerscale yonko vs admirals, because the heart of the matter is the *balance* of power. None of the major forces can really afford to directly attack another, because the other major forces would 3rd party them. So, yonko can't really afford all out war between each other or the world government, and the world government can't really risk all out war with any individual yonko crew.
If we get down to the nitty gritty, I think most yonko high to extreme diff an admiral 1v1, and under certain conditions and matchups maybe an admiral could win a 1v1, but kaido or big mom are probably gonna beat a solo admiral every time. The point is they are close enough that whatever side wins will immediately lose to someone else afterward due to being very weakened. The who-could-beat-who conversation isn't all that important compared to the bigger picture.
I doubt that's the reason they never warred against the world govt. WB attacked marineford just to save Ace I think it's just the world govt never really attacked all 4 emperors Crewmates or never entered their territory, we saw how they all avoid the yonkos territory cause they don't wanna leave their hq unguarded so simply the navy's fault they never warred cause they can't do shit if that happens besides everything unguarded for a unnecessary war
@@catalyst.4664 *just to save ace* is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Ace was a big deal. Whitebeard went into that battle expecting to die, too. So like, clearly, attacking the navy is not something a yonko takes lightly.
Trying to sync with the snap during the outro song is akin to trying to catch bryson tillers “…DONT” on time
I don’t even know why this is a discussion. It took 3 admirals to fight a wounded aging dying white beard. Prime wb, Kaido, big mom, Roger, shanks mopping any admiral easily.
Do you think the admirals can 2 shot king, queen,Marco, kat or Benny like how big mom dropped queen and when both big mom and Kaido dropped luffy in gear 4th without a hint of trying ??? And this after Luffy beat kat??? Doesn't make sense to me. Fuji scrapped with Zoro,Luffy and sabo but he didn't overwhelm them in a split second like the yonko did.
Actually, for some Admirals it would just be a 1 shot....even just outright death in some cases.
I mean....what do you think would happen if Queen just stood around in dinosaur form like he did with Big Mom, and Akainu threw a magma punch at his head?
@@MetakJesu07 looool bro big mom shrugged off gear 4th Luffy simply by flexing her haki, she didn't even use her df against him or queen.... didn't even know about haki while she lost her memories which means she knocked queen on his ass with only brute strength. No admiral is capable of that feat and I am sure Kaido would also do the same thing
@@daryussamuel497 an admiral just no diffed king and queen
Wdym no admiral can stop a freaking wci luffy and also in manga akainu used his one foot and hands in his pocket to overpower wb naginata+gra coated attack @@daryussamuel497
The yonko are stronger by FAR! However the Yonko being as strong as they are and being pirates are more prone to taking damage in battle and not taking fights too seriously from the starts. The admirals on the other hand are fierce combatants. They don’t take on much damage in battle. Kinda like Current aaa o and Luffy. Sabo and the admirals are more technical and calculated. Luffy and the Yonko are more “heart and spirit”
Interesting comparison, I guess it has to do with their formal military training.
@@soulscribe_h yeah I believe so
Admirals aren't shown to be powerful as much yonkos. It is only power scalers who think that but not manga or anime. In latest chapter,luffy wasn't even nervous about kizaru but only saturn.
What do you think? Would someone like sabo or marco beat an avarage admiral?
Yonko>admirals. But the fights are gonna be hard but yonko come out on top.
I think the gorosei are stronger than the admirals and now that Luffy surpassed Kaido it means fighting the admirals wouldn't be so exciting because Oda gives Luffy a stronger opponent everytime a new arc takes place
So this time i think Dragon and Shanks are going to fight the admirals and Luffy might go after Blackbeard or the gorosei
So Oda gonna make a random DUDE stronger than peapole that got arcs to hype ?
Looking forward to that Shiryu video!
A walking dead Whitebeard with 2 feet in the Grave before he even reached Marineford was still throttling the Admirals even with Haki and devilfruit power was spotty as hell during deathbed fight through Marineford
This is always bothering me, but I think there's something that people seem to forget on top of the personality difference between a kind of Akainu, and Aokiji is the elemental advantages and disadvantages their fruits have against another. People seem to forget that once Ace was released him and Aokiji had a clash, I'm not sure if the amount of damage you've taken in stamina affects logia class devil fruit users, but Ace had taken some damage while he was imprisoned, and him Aokiji we're even.
Then, if we compare Akainu injuring Ace and killing him Fire < Magma, even tho Ace was attacked from behind. To me that says a lot about Aokiji's strength. He was at a disadvantage and still fought him for that long. Elemental advantages are a thing, remember when Luffy redhawked Perospero, and cleared his candy decoration maiden easily.
To add to it, Luffy vs Enel is a prime example of elemental advantages. Literally nobody (at the time) could stand up to Enel due to how strong his goro goro fruit is.
no single admiral can take on a yonko
That marco outro is beautiful
YES BRAGO DAMN
When Luffy and crew fight the Admirals, I'm guessing it won't be a fight to overcome their power, like it is with Kaido.
Fighting the Navy won't be a fair fight. I think that's how they handle the power level of Yonko vs Admiral.
Either that or a training montage with the Admirals showing why they're so much stronger now. 🤣
When it comes to powerscaling from marineford it’s weird. Oda consistently says that older characters don’t lose their strength but he definitely shows whitebeard as someone held back by age and illness. So my interpretation of it is that whitebeards attack power was still the same but he lacked in areas like stamina. So to me akainu surviving all those hits and still being ready to face the commanders shows that he really is on that yonko level. He wasn’t stronger than whitebeard but he probably would’ve outlasted him had the fight continued. However judging characters from marineford feats isn’t really useful in current one piece because Oda hadn’t yet developed advanced conquerors and we barely glimpsed higher levels of armament and observation haki. Marineford was extremely devil fruit based much like the rest of pretimeskip. I’m pretty sure if Oda had to remake the fights of marineford for current one piece it would look a lot differently
I don't think WB once used conqueror's haki nor Observation considering how he got sneak attacked easily. He never dodged either he just stayed in the same spot waiting for the enemy to come at him that's shows how his days are numbered.
Another factor to consider between the admiral x Yonko's power scaling is the navy's information towards the abilities and powers of yonko's, making them exposed to their power and identifying their weaknesses as opposed to yonko's that sometimes without their informant (Big Mom's son who uses a book, I forgot his name) would not know a lot about the world government. That makes the difference between their power scaling as well.
The level composure on displayed by Shanks' while facing down Akainu and changeling the entire marine ford says it all bruh