Exvangelical’s Unique Deconversion Story Identical To Every Other Deconversion Story
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- Struggling with your faith? Pondering a deconversion? This exvangelical, who has barely thought about anything she’s ever believed, can help.
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What shallow, overused argument against Christianity blew your mind?
"If God was real, why would he allow so much suffering in the world like starvation, homelessness, murder, and the 8th season of Game of Thrones?
"Prove it"
I thought God was real until I found out sex was fun. That proved God is indeed not real.
Can God create a rock so big he can't move it?!?
"Does God have a penis?"
Absolutely perfect! My favorite is, "Nobody could explain to me why bad things happen to good people." Dude. Christianity's primary symbol is a man who NEVER did anything wrong and was tortured to death.
"Nobody could explain to me why bad things happen to good people."
Personally, I love that one when an atheist brings it up. Perfect example of a false premise yielding a false conclusion.
There's never a good person to whom a bad thing has happened. Ever.
It pretty much goes for everyone in the Bible. You could say Jesus went through the same problems everyone else does in the Scriptures. Heck, most of his disciples became martyrs for the faith in one way or the other. Job is essentially someone going through hell to prove a point.
And just to expand on that, all of scripture points at the fact that going through bad situations is actually *necessary* and not something we should try to avoid, but embrace and overcome.
People have just been raised wrong with a basic/flawed understanding that says "being happy = good, being sad = bad". Yeshua/Jesus is literally referred to as "a man of sorrows".
The day we embrace this mindset is the day we become free from pain and suffering because they no longer have power/effect on us.
eh? Didn't he sacrifice himself?
@@TheWatchernator Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that He indeed did nothing wrong and was tortured to death anyway
What's sad is she actually sounds like a real, college leftist. The arguements are so thin and they are always so proud of themselves for making them.
Yep.
what is sadder is that they are just regurgitating what they are told to think and say
Actress has long natural color hair.
If she'd really been to secular UNI then she'd have short multicolored clown hair or just shave 1/2 - it all off 💇
@@copcuffs9973 yes… but when the cameras and lights turn off she has to return to reality… thankfully…
they dont teach them how to think, they teach them what to think. If they were worried about teaching them how to think, they would offer logi classes, the fundamentals of thinking well.
"Sorry Christians... you don't get to tell other people that their beliefs are wrong. I do." - Laughed out loud.
Same
You most certainly may and should call out unsubstantiated mindless dogma.
So will I.
Christians get real sensitive when you actually scrutinize their dogma. We see the exact same reaction from Muslims when questioning their dogma.
You can’t both be right, but you both can be wrong.
@Themadbastard How very Christian.
How strange your deity can’t defend himself. He requires some insecure human theocrat to do it for him… exactly like every other deity.
Yep. lots of ex Christian stories in a nutshell
@@littlehansle8927 What’s wrong with Christian apostates? I’m sure you have no problem with Muslim apostates, Jewish apostates, Hindu apostates, etc..
When people whine “stop judging meeee!!!!”
I say “You judge yourself, what you feel is conviction.”
You dont get to force me to assuage the internalized subconscious shame you feel. To acquiesce to your subjective whims over what is objectively true. If you didnt know it to be wrong you wouldnt even project such requests. Be better. You know youre supposed to. And if you dont feel shame, you might be a sociopath.
@@19MadMatt72 Watch *Real Prophecies That Will Shock Even the Skeptic* by *Troy Black*
@Errol Brown He said when people complain about Christians "judging them"
@Errol Brown We all need Jesus. But most people don't believe they do. It's like how when we were kids we think we can take over the world and we don't need adults to oppress us and limit us. The reality is that when we aren't aware, we don't believe we need something. I agree simply telling people they need Jesus is being lazy and is ineffective and not very manipulative. But even then it doesn't take away from the truth. Tbf there is no point in us telling everyone they are going to hell because 1 they are probably wrong and 2 no one is going to listen to someone telling them they are damned. It feels extremely personal and will keep people away from the Faith. At the end of the day, we will all die. The little details (aside from sin) don't matter. Our riches won't go anywhere, our achievements won't do anything once we are dead. How logic we are, how right we are about something won't matter when we die. Our poor excuses for not believing in God won't matter in judgement day
Whoa man! You woke today and chose violence eh? No kidding though. I definitely agree. People do not want to be hearing this though.
I hear a lot that I have NO right to tell people my biblical opinions/beliefs. Funny how it’s always a one way street.
Yep. The same people who say you can’t talk about your own religion always rush to give their own 2 cents on literally everything
Talk about your religion all you want. But if you makes claims be prepared to be asked to prove them.
@@samuelschick8813 Agreed. And I think there’s plenty of evidence to suggest God exists
@@captainuseless2120, Suggest and prove are two different things. Also it seems the religious ( all religions) tend to be short on the evidence they claim to have. A common example one hears a lot:
Christian: " Jesus rose from the grave."
Then when asked to prove that claim:
Christian:
1.) "The tomb was empty."
2.) " The Bible says so."
Neither of those are proof of anything. For #1 there are empty tombs all over the world. Then they have no idea where the actual tomb was. To add to that there are other legit reasons the tomb was empty. As for #2, the Bible is the claim and not the proof.
@@samuelschick8813 Actually. There’s a lot more for Jesus’s resurrection. It’s a historical event in nature, and several interesting details about the accounts of it and events surrounding them suggest their validity. For example, if the gospels were fabricated by the early church leaders for their own gain, they certainly did not make themselves look good, talking about their own failures to trust in and abandonment of Jesus. When he died, they admit to having given up, going into hiding and trying to pretend they never knew him, despite being repeatedly told that this would happen. They failed to understand half of what he said, requiring Jesus to dum things down for them on multiple occasions. Simply put, for a entirely fictional narrative, the leaders of the church who wrote and gave these accounts sure did a horrible job of making themselves seem like great and wise leaders, unless it was never about them.
Second, and just as important is the context of Christianity being born to near instant and quite intense persecution. There was no reason for these people to lie, and a whole lot of incentives not to. There was nothing in it for the apostles who started the church, and many of them died as a result of their teachings. I’m sorry, but dozens of men don’t go to the grave swearing something they knew they made up was true. It just doesn’t make sense, and this is a time in history where documentation does exist, verifying the persecution was taking place.
So we know a man named Jesus existed, a fact affirmed by something like 70% of secular and religious historians, we know that the religion he inspired faced instant persecution upon its creation, and we know the primary founders such as Paul and most of the 12 disciples were executed or lynched while still affirming the miracles they claimed to have witnessed. People make things up all the time for various reasons, but you don’t do it without some way to benefit yourself or those they care about. To do otherwise is devoid of any and all logic or reason. It seems extremely implausible that such a form of insanity could strike an entire group of people without a single member deviating, which makes their actually witnessing something the only logical explanation for this behavior. Religions like Islam rely on the word of a single man who got a vision in the desert, Christianity was founded by about a dozen men who swore to their graves they saw Jesus alive again.
Combine all that with the extremely plausible existence of God, and I think Christianity has a lot of evidence in its favor. If there is a God, I think the God described in the Bible is by far the most likely to be an accurate depiction, given the historical evidence we have. Apologies for the long ass response, but I think this is a point far too few people make, and it’s the primary reason I believe in Christianity, it just seems to be the most scientifically and historically plausible of many different theories about the universe.
4 years ago, I almost took my own life. I was abused when I was a kid, broken, depressed, anorexic, bulimic, self-harming. suicidal. My biological father choked me and chased me with the lawnmower as if her was gonna run me over, I went in & out of psychiatric units like it was a game of Chess. Suicide watch. I was on enough Antidepressants to kill a horse since i was 12. I hated myself. I wanted out. I wanted the pain to stop. The abuse to end
I wanted power. I got into witchcraft. I thought it would give me the identity i wanted, to be set apart from people who hurt me. It only made me sicker. Sicker. Thats what it did to me.
The doctors said i’d never get well. That i would suffer severe Chronic Manic depression, and never be well, that id be stuck on antidepressants all of my life.
I would plot suicide on a daily basis, binging and purging my food as often as opening and closing a door. The pain was too real. People choked me. Assaulted me. Told me i was ugly, told me to apologize to him for every year i was alive. i felt worthless. Nothing ever got better. Then my mother died. The (1) & only soul who ever loved /emotionally supported me was removed from the earth. I was stuck living with people who broke me, ruined my identity, thus causing me to hate God. I thought God hated me, that he was just like the ones who tortured me, a family of abusers, who cover up all their actions with the mask of religion. I didnt know that God is on my side. I didnt know that Jesus would Love and Defend me, and fight for me and that He later would heal me, rescue me from Family. The ones who caused me pain. The ones who choked me for wearing a pagan necklace.
I moved out after family threatened to throw all my belongings on the front yard, and have me permanently institutionalized in an insane asylum, when they were the ones who caused my mental illness via abuse.
They blamed me for the abuse they did to me.
To take my life in a psychiatric unit aka insane asylum when they were the ones who made me suicidal.
Next morning i moved in with my dead mom’s parents.
I stayed on the antidepressants, prescribed. But they only made me sicker. I got deeper and deeper into witchcraft, thinking it was a solution. But it made me even more suicidal. Self hatred was inescapable. All my cards have fallen down. I have nothing left. But out. I wanted out.
I decided i was going to kill myself. I was going to take all my pills.
But then Jesus stepped in. I didnt die. I surrendered my life to Jesus to make me well and heal me.
The deity i blamed for me being abused wanted to heal me. He Was fighting for me and Loved me all along.
He wanted to love me. He wanted to give me a new heart. His Heart.
Jesus miraculously healed me - i am off all the drugs and dont need them and i dont have any mental illnesses. I am totally healed , full of joy.
I’m now a born again Christian.
I want ALL y’all to know that JESUS IS ON YOUR SIDE
HE’s FIGHTING FOR you.
Don’t believe me?
Just WATCH WHAT HE WILL DO FOR YOU NEXT
You really expect anyone to believe your cliché sob story?
@@optillian4182 Rude.
Tim, I believe your story and am so happy you were able to be healed by Christ. Miracles are real to them that believe.
@@annodomino3935 It's the exact same lie peddled by every other "former atheist". "When I was an atheist, I had sex with everyone and smoked until my lungs were black. Now I have gound God and literally all my problems have gone away!"
Can't believe people actually fall for it. Thankfully, in the vast majority of cases, they don't. As humanity grows smarter, God can no longer fill the gaps in our knowledge. Thus, the death of religion is inevitable. I look forward to that day.
The power of Jesus is so real. He is our ultimate fighter and He is the Champion.
That's a lovely inspirational message. I wanted more details on your suicide attempt and at what point he intervened. Some people say you made this all up. Please include more details about your transformation.
I had a similar story and struggled with my faith for years. I never lost my belief in God, but had (and still have) so many questions. I read authors like Philip Yancy, Brennan Manning and Max Lucado a lot. They have helped me reconcile some of my questions and doubts with my faith. I don’t believe it is wrong to question what you believe…the Bible is full of people wrestling (literally and figuratively) with God and with their faith. The key (at least for me) is to keep seeking (reading, learning, discussing, praying), rather than just to give up and walk away.
Perhaps Ligonier Ministries or DVBM on YT would assist?
They really know their stuff! X
Israel, the Patriarch whose name was changed from Jacob because he wrestled with an angel.
Israel literally means "he struggles with God."
What I've observed is that a lot of times, doubt isn't a sin, but it can be a temptation towards unbelief. Not believing is what doubt can lead to, but doubt and unbelief are not the same thing.
@@jameswhitley4101 "We fall every day. Naturally, some days are harder than others." - Joshua Graham.
What country do you live in?
I love when people quote, "Judge not lest ye be judged," and they don't know that a few verses down, Jesus basically says for us to judge people when he says, "You will know them by their fruit." People don't bother reading the context to find out what it really means.
@Errol Brown The Lord has shown a lot of really good fruit in my life. You may be confusing the works of others with God.
@Errol Brown yep, if the god of the Bible exist I want nothing to do with him.
Hmm, so if I want people to help me with a truthful self examination so I can change any problems with me I need to start judging people.
@Errol Brown And in context the 'Genocide' was done to a people who where murderers and idolaters who practiced human sacrifice. Who's cup of iniquity (a few chapters back) was not quite full. And that the land of Milk and Honey that the Jews took, was owned by some of the most cruel and inhumane kings and people groups you could imagine.
Human sacrifice, the slaughter of children in the name of idols, impaling prisoners in front of their families upside down on their city walls.
The "god" you make up is not the God of the bible.
Then there is the CONTEXT problem. Where, due to the bible's format with Short Chapter and Verse decide to pick and choose which parts of a full story, sometimes a multi-generational one, that they can focus on. So they can say "This verse says this, so CHECKMATE, God is EVIL." or say, "Because this one verse said Women shouldn't speak in a letter addressed to a specific church having a problem with Goddess Worship in their city it must mean they're evil."
At the end of the day, scares most people, is that faith is an uphill battle, it is a decision to live well, to trust, and to seek context and truth.
Your argument against the bible is the same argument everyone will ever use to argue against the bible. Because it uses half truths, cut statements, partial stories and the wordings that have changed meanings since the King's James original translation over 100+ years ago.
Next, Death Itself is different for the creator of eternity. To us on earth, it is largely a mystery, it is most certainly separation till we die, but it is still an absolute of our life. Barring Apocalypse, everyone you know, see, or have seen, or will see will die. To us it is the loss, we eat their vanishing from earth and then one day we depart ourselves.
To God, it is more akin to fields, places in space and possibly time. You don't stop existing, your soul doesn't end. And there is the whole of eternity. Some end up in heaven, some end up in hell. And we where once sentenced all to die, and we where offered a rebirth through Jesus. And the bible makes it very clear that God loves all of us, and that we have all eternity and more with the creator of existence itself, wanting both justice and mercy for all.
The bible in context isn't a pretty story. It isn't nice. The heroes are dirty. The characters die all the time. It's history. It's a survival book. It's a book with laws in it that are made to show that no one, not one person, is above sin and capable of being pure and bringing us to a place where God can come into our lives. We cannot in our own right be just enough to save ourselves. But we can accept Jesus and the salvation he's ALREADY given.
You talk about how he 'created' evil. Evil isn't a thing of creation, it is going against God, it is rebellion, it is lies, it is the result of you and me and everyone having free will. You have created a version of god that you set as some cruel task master waiting to beat you and break you given the opportunity, when the truth of the matter is, the world is a harsh and cruel place and he sent his son down to go through the same, mud, shit and abuse as every other person, and despite, having no sin in him, die like a convict in agony and shame.
In another way of thinking of it. Sin came into this world because God made us capable of choosing it. And God sent his son to die for sin in our place, to save us, from the very things he told us not to do, least we die.
God paid the price for sin himself, his son lived and died for us.
Your family members who are dead on earth are alive elsewhere and even if they aren't in heaven, God still loves them and giving his nature I am sure he has a plan that one day he may break open the gates of eternity itself to resolve an eternal sentence in the time after the Lord's Return.
Every man, woman and child who died by plague, famine, greed, war, old age, accident, childhood mishap, abortion. This includes animals, otherwise the Lord wouldn't ascend and descend with chariots.
You will survive too. And I promise you, if you end up in hell. I will seek to fight through the very gates of hell to get you, and so many other misguided people who got stolen by the devil out, so that you can one day too be made right with God.
We have all eternity and beyond. And rather I am seen as a fool or not, I can live my life fully, with conviction. And if all is as you say and God is a lie, then all is fruitless anyways and I simply lived right by the very standards of the book that created the western concepts of the right to Freedom.
Yes, people conveniently leave out the portion that explains why we judge. It's to help our brothers (other Christians) see the error in their ways. People only read the parts of the Bible they think fits their narrative.
My favorite is when someone who doesn't even beleive in Jesus to begin with tells me what Jesus would do. LMAO
Yes as a Catholic we get so many “but you have to eat fish on Friday” comments.
It is truly insane.
Oh thats the classic:
"You shouldn't be against illegal immigration because Jesus said to be compassionate or something somewhere in the Bible.
I have nothing but contempt for your backwards religious beliefs, so this argument wouldn't work on me but maybe if I use it on you you'll do what I want"
It's just a turn of phrase to an atheist.Though most atheist will respect your beliefs as long as you respect theirs.I will admit though that the atheist that has to let everyone know he's an atheist are intolerable and annoying as hell.
@@TheOrangeRoad LOL I was just about to comment that.
This is so funny. Thanks for doing this, y'all!
Matt watches the babylon bee??
Matt!!!
Wait I thought Matt stopped using social media is this one of the team at PWA?
What are you doing here Matt?!
@@isaibustillos7293 He has an interview with them in this channel and another on PWA you should check it out🖒
When they say "have you ever heard about science?"
I am like..."and since when we are against science?"
I hate SJWs, but there are definitely areas where science and religions, including Christianity, collide.
Of course many of the people today who publicly champion science think being a man or woman is dependent on one's self identification at any given time - which is heavily anti science.
But so is much of the Bible if we're being honest, especially literalists and young earth creationists who see the accounts of genesis as accurate history.
@@abuibu Thank you for the answer.
Of course I do not mean people who look for science into the Bible. And of course I am not referring to events in the past.
I meant that Christianity in 2022 or anyway in the last decades has never been talking against science, as science explains "how" and religion "who". So by definition they do not collide.
The topic that probably is most under discussion is Darwin theory which is taught in school as if it was a law. But again, that is a theory so if there is a contrast there, it is not in contrast with science laws.
@@jossdeiboss I am assuming you mean the theory of evolution?
Two things to make a note of here as there is a misconception with this.
Firstly, science never speaks in absolutes. It is always happy to revise scientific consensus based on new evidence - or at least it should.
The second point is the usage of the word theory in science, it's not a synonym for hypothesis as it is used in non-scientific terms.
Another example of this is the word "metal", the common definition and the chemical definitions are similar, but in cosmological speak, oxygen is a metal. It can be confusing of course.
But other things that are known as theories in science are the Germ theory, the atomic theory, the theory of relativity and so on.. along with evolution the evidence there is for it is overwhelming based on the data we currently have.
The theory of evolution hinges on one thing. The belief that some intelligent, powerful force is guiding and propelling mutations toward a distant and even more complex goal. In reality, mutations are random and occur on single strands of DNA, almost always resulting in damage. Try tumbling a bunch of rocks together until one comes out as a pyramid.
@@Sithwedgie Natural selection forces the good characteristics to survive and thrive, and hence spread. The ones that aren't as useful get extinct, like 99% of species that have ever existed already have.
I was an exvangelical. I have since re-converted, but my story was nothing like that.
what is it like?
@@ligetisspaghetti5763 We'll never know...
Being christian used to be very fashionable and people embraced it without thinking too much about it. Now it's not that fashionable anymore and people leave it without thinking too much about it.
Were they ever really "saved," did they ever really give their life over to God and his plan of Jesus or did they just believe God was real without giving him their life and believing in him and his ways? "But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that- and shudder. O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?" -From the Bible, James 2, I think. It's not about daily works, it's about daily surrender, repentance, and faith that produces works.
Also, there are those who are seemingly Christian in name only, I know two friends like this, if you ask them they will say they're Christian, but their actions, attitude and views scream the opposite, it really hurts that this is the case like they say they believe in something so precious but they don't grasp the value nor the meaning of it.
Now that it's not fashionable people actually have to think to become a Christian. I've never met a born-again Christian who didn't think deeply and prayed and repented. I think nowadays becoming Christians requires actual humility, Faith, critical thinking and conviction. I did more thinking that I ever have before becoming Christian. Questions like "What if Christianity is a lie", "What if Jesus isn't God" and so on constantly popped up. But it wasn't until I examined myself and realized I was actually a fallen and terrible human being that I asked the questions which actually mattered. How can I be saved from my sins, who can save me, is there really hope? Is heaven even real? If God is actually real, does He actually love me and everyone equally? Is the Bible consistent, what was God's reasoning for so much blood shed shown in the OT and so on and so forth.
@@yeshuaislord6880 I never said it's not fashionable, I just said it is less fashionable than before. In Europe it is indeed a bit out of fashion, but in USA, from what I've seen, religion in general and evangelism in particular are still *very* trendy. Then of course it depends on environment: big cities and universities are less religious, being christian is less common there; small towns, rural areas, well, being an atheist there is still quite the challenge.
@@a.f.schmied1571 I know you didn't. I said being Christian is not fashionable. It was the point I made. It's really out of fashion. I got slightly abused when i first became Christian. People were mocking me everywhere in school even my friends would make stupid anti-christ jokes and about how I've become stupider being Christian. My close friends automatically assumed I was anti-vacc, a conspiracy theorist, and a retard simply for being Christian. I'm actually fine with being abused if it's for Christ. Anything else I lose my mind lol.
My favourite religious joke is: "I over came my previous addiction to Christianity by becoming dependant on heroin and other hard drugs."
LOL !!
@Errol Brown it makes sense not ironic at all infact tht proves the power of faith to overcome what is considered natural Inclination our bodies. Now a days you'll here why would god make gay people.. like who said people are born gay?!
Well I did hear of one person who overcame their addiction to christianiy. He became a muslim and replaced his former addiction with islam.
@@randokun6430 And here I thought God created everyone and everything. So then, He also create gay people. And then decided to demonize them for doing what he created them to do, and for the silliest reason imaginable: what they decide to do with their own genitalia.
@Errol Brown So, you believe that sticking a needle in your arm for an hour of high with a life of poverty, disease, and early horrible death is better than religion?
I studied Anthropology. I was a non confrontational atheist. Then after really analyzing theories of Louis Leakey and Charles Darwin I said "ok none of that is biologically possible. In fact they would require several miracles.
Same. When people can get fruit flies (or any other insect) to successfully mutate to a different species (different number of chromosomes, but able to breed with each other to continue the new species) purely through environmental effects (food/water amount, air content, radiation, presence/lack of predators, etc, anything except the scientists actually touching them), then I'll believe that at least one step of macro evolution is even physically possible. But as far as I'm currently aware, we still can't even get Ligers to be a viable species.
Ar you convinced science figured everything out? Tell me how birds evolved from fish.
@@ultra.based.27 I "ar". Rhetorical but no. You tell me.
@@matthix2678 i didn't want to be rude, sorry i'm tired. I just don't understand how they could have evolved from fish.
@@ultra.based.27 lol you weren't being rude. Actually im just messing with you. I think you misunderstood my post. What I am saying is through study i realized (as many, many others do) is that in order for "evolution" to work, it would require several miracles. Too many in fact. Birds did not evolve from fish. Too many safeguards built within the genome.
This is everything I never knew I needed to see today.
If you were to engage with actual atheists, you might discover some better reasons why the Christian God is almost certainly mythological.
Perhaps you lack confidence in your 1 Peter 3: 15 reason for the hope that you have.
@@downenout8705 Don't expect anyone to engage per Matthew 7:6. There is a difference between someone with a heart towards truth and a hardened resistant heart looking to fight
Why do you care if people leave the church? Why do you care if I’m in a non-heterosexual relationship? It’s none of your Goldman business, if I’m spending my life with another man, or if I choose to not bow down to your religious beliefs.
@@downenout8705lol ' The Christian God' there is one God, one source consciousness, if you were to do any research youd find that the universe, nature, as well as humans were most definitely created.
Very comical that you clarified 'Christian God' lol clown
@@renny3816 probably bc there is a direct correlation between religion/cultural customs(and their corresponding taboos) and societal degradation. Also, in terms of spirituality and consequences incurred by the failure of a man to transmute his sexual energy into creative potential/execution are severe. Its one thing to be gay, its another to 'not understand ' why a nations loss of its spiritual cohesion is entirely something else.
I had a ( no pun intended) GODAWFUL experience with some so called " christians" in my early teens. I am a 27 year long Marilyn Manson fan, I met some whose only righteousness is Self Righteousness, mix with some stupidity and overflowing with hatred. However, I've read the Christian Bible, and met some real Christians, who happen to be some of the kindest people you'll meet.
I also happen to believe that, God and Science mix together pretty damned well.
Ikr? In fact I'm seeing self righteous ones here in the comments (not referring to you)
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen I must apologize, I'm the most technologically retarded person ( slightly) under 40 that you'll ever encounter... what do those letters ( lkr?) mean?
Depends on whether you belong to a denomination that takes the Bible to be absolute fact or not. That can be problematic with science. However, I also believe that if there is an all-powerful God, He is more than capable of creating everything to _seem_ the way we think we see it. Se when we test the geological strata, and find dinosaur fossils and carbon date them, we say "see, this is X billlion/million years old". But God could have just created that strata exactly that way, created that fossil with a carbon date of 150 million years old, so it would _seem_ that way to us. Why? Perhaps to test us? I don't know. But it is the only idea I have that can really reconcile the two. I thought of that years ago when I was a kid, no doubt i am not the first to have considered it. The other alternative is to segregate your spiritual life and physical life. Basically, don't overthink it. Operate in your daily life on the assumption science is correct, we have the internet and space ships, etc, after all. But also believe in the truth of god in your heart. It can be done.
Of course, there is nothing in science that is inconsistent with God, just the "the Bible is 100% accurate and infallible" school. There are plenty of famous scientists who believe(d) in God, in some form.
If anyone is self righteous, stupid, and overflowing with hatred, it is Marilyn Manson. Dude literally rips up bibles on stage and then calls Christians intolerant. He is the QUINTESSENTIAL hate-filled, narcissistic, pseudo-intellectual.
Also his music sucks.
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen IKR. Hmmmm......
Italian Kangaroo Revivalists?
Indian Kindred Radiologists?
Impossibly Kosher Raccoons?
Indiana's Kindest Rasputins?
LOL.
When exvangelicals say that talking with evangelicals is a waste of time because they refuse to even try to listen - this is what we mean.
Some may say that, but I don't. The truth should never fear a discussion.
“And I used to have so many questions about my faith and I couldn’t find answers, even though I never asked anyone or looked through the many books written by all the Christian scholars over the years. If a topic is not understood by me then it isn’t understood by anyone…because I said so.” - said all these deconversionists
Oh please. I was an ordained Priest. Spare me the nonsense propaganda. What you're describing is brainwashing, not faith, and certainly not knowledge. Yes, there's tons of Christian propaganda and apologetics out there. It doesn't make any of it true. But hey, since God is all-powerful and omnipresent, I'm sure He could settle this for us, just by popping into this thread (If you and I can do it, He certainly should be able to) and confirming His existence. Oh, but right- He doesn't do things like that, for reasons.
@@VideoHostSite Probably should have understood your faith before becoming a priest.
Why do Christians assume we've never heard the answers? I did a ton of research while deconstructing my faith and just didn't find their answers compelling.
@@danielconway7190 I hope your research consisted of more than just watching youtube videos.
@@danielconway7190 Because for Christians who’ve studied Christianity and read the evidence, the answers found are compelling and it’s incomprehensible that not everyone sees it. I know some would not agree with my comparison but when I was in massage school I learned anatomy. Before I learned how the various body systems worked the body was a mystery to me, now that I know I can’t deny the truth that has been discovered by thousands of scientists before me. I don’t push my beliefs on anyone else but when you believe you have found the rescue boat you are sad when not many other people want to get in with you even though there are people drowning all around you wondering why no one will come rescue them. Just my 2 cents. I wish you the best day Daniel.
Like, oh em gee, you can't tell people that they're sinners.
> Sin means imperfection, are you saying that you're perfect?
Like, no, but oh em gee, you're not perfect either
> Yeah, that's kind of the point of the whole Jesus bit.
I am perfect, the Bible even says so.
All sins are imperfections but not all imperfections are sins.
Etymology gives us the root meaning of 'missing the target', in other words, we are not what we were meant to be.
@@Dr.JustIsWrong Your name is perfect.
@@Ozymandias2x yep!
My biggest pet peeve with people who leave their faith is the common assumption they make that they have esoteric knowledge or are more intellectual than others who are religious. They can't seem to fathom that someone knows as much or more than them while keeping their faith.
Yep, faithlessness is not an intellectual problem, but an ethical problem.
Yup Russ. And the great thing about Christianity is you can be smart or not and rest in Gods truth. Any question you have you can take it to Him and get your answer within a reasonable time frame. It's the worlds greatest cheat code.
@Errol Brown nothing about Christianity is esoteric nor does it pretend to be.
Literally just two words. Vice versa. Many many Christians think that they are better than atheists because they “have more knowledge because they are faithful”. Even if they don’t realize it.
It's hilarious how much you Jesus fanboys project.
I love hearing the argument about how much more loving they become when they leave the church
That’s certainly been the case for me. When I left religion and then deconstructed from the faith I was raised in I also stopped making choices out of a fear of hell and retribution. As a result I became a lot more authentic and empathetic.
That was my experience. I started seeing other people for who they are. I could help them out of sheer empathy, not because I thought God wanted me to.
@@danielconway7190 you familiar with Jesus' greatest commandment verse? Love people as you love yourself. The ultimate in empathy. Welcome back? haha
I have abandoned a few, and basically, for now, all churches, but never abandoned a sort of faith that abides. Churches are constructs of man, The Church is a creation in our hearts. I refuse to endure fire and brimstone foundations, though I have no doubt we can experience hell, and a status scene fashion show of virtues is right out as well. Jesus said the church was any two believers gathered in His name, and if His word is in your heart (love your neighbor), you and He may alone be the church, if necessary, so those other trappings adhered to many churches you can feel free to avoid, without guilt, no matter what they say.
(I also read from many other religious systems like Buddhism and Hinduism and so on. I find them very valuable and rarely in real conflict with any of Jesus' teachings, quite the opposite, in fact. I mention this only to introduce a book that I read called "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ" which was written from a series of dreams a man had in the early 1900's. It was not received well by mainstream Christianity, but it is purportedly the missing eighteen years of Christ in the Bible, during which the scripture style writings tell of His journey to the seven churches of the world, crossing continents and being tested and accepted as the son of god by them. Apocryphal or not, it is a provocative and lovely book, with many wise lessons. Levi H. Downing.)
@@randomchannelname24 my neighbor Jim said we should love other people too. Maybe I'll start worshipping him 🤔
I literally just had a conversation with “the girl who got away” who led me to the “god is grey” channel, which led me to this video…which was literally the same conversation I was having with “the girl who got away”
You should send this video to her 😂
Dude, it sounds like you dodged a bullet. Thank God when you have a moment.
These is this thing called thinking for yourself and you don't actually have to replace one dogma with another. You can actually considered everything on a case by case basis and not have an ideology or idea as your identity.
As an actor, I'll tell ya, she's gold!!
Make her a regular on BB -- you must.
Aw thank you so much Steven!
You Rock out these segments
She has a YT channel as well, I subscribed 😍😍😍
Strong with you, the force is
I agree! Real artists still exist, apparently.
Fact-Check: Mostly False
They didn't state their pronouns before telling us their entirely unique, anomolous, unexplainably unmatched, incomparable deconversion.
Also, they forgot the Argument from Constantine Invented Christianity.
And there are a bunch of different translations of the Bible therefore they’re all wrong.
@@meganlukes6679 No, no, there are different translations, so they have been retranslated and distorted like the telephone-game. Also edited. And corrupted to hide the truth. Constantine & Dan Brown.
@@davidhawley1132 I've never understood the "been translated so many times we no longer know what it originally said" argument, do these people think that after the first translation, the original manuscripts were destroyed so that the only way to make a new translation is by taking an existing translation and putting it into Google translate to recreate the original and then putting that through Google translate again?
@@Michael-bk5nz More than that, most people don't realize that more manuscripts of the New Testament survive than any other work of ancient literature - over 20,000, in fact. It is historically the most reliable text there has ever been!
What? Constantine invented Christianity? Is that the stupid they're telling people now? XD
People who usually abandon their faith (like I almost did when I was younger) are usually not told it’s totally normal to have questions and doubts. God is not scared of your doubts, we can’t fully understand him so he definitely expects us to question him at times.
He was not shocked when I questioned if He really loved me. He saw it coming. He also knew I would come back to believe in Him
Some people are raised in a tradition that forbids doubts and questions, like the independent fundamental Baptists. That movement is an atheist *assembly line.*
@Errol Brown Or people like you claim to know the ultimate truth in life based on your own sad, anecdotal stories?
If I wanted to strengthen young people's faltering faith I'd just let them listen to you give a 5 minute speech and then they'd say 'Yeah we want to be the opposite of whatever thing that is.'
I remember having questions at a religious school and the teacher yelled at me to sit down. I wish I had known the smart arse things to say back them and I would have been thrown out of class.
@@Emper0rH0rde don't they think dancing and DnD are evil? I am going straight to hell then 🤣
"I was never saved, got tired of the rules because of my unregenerate heart, and left."
So stunning! So brave! 🤣
Something has gone wrong you were going very well until “ my unregenerate heart “ then something went wrong because you went in the completely opposite direction. A Christian typically walks this road with the very same words -verbatim- up until” degenerate heart “ which is a realization, an epiphany, a shock, whatever and then a sinner dies and a christian is born because when the sinner realizes how bankrupt his degenerate heart is and how unlawful he is in front of the rules of Him that rules the whole universe for his terror the universe and all that is in it offers not one place of refuge he can hide, the only refuge from his terror is His one and Only Savior and it is then he is reborn. I really cannot understand what went wrong with your journey unless you do not really believe your heart is degenerate but this is another story
@@rawdayoussef4223 What the hell are you talking about? IT'S A FUCKING JOKE.
@@rawdayoussef4223 I think he's talking about the person in the video.
i feel so inspired
i am becoming just like her! well, except for still going to synagogue. and church, and 2 bible studies a week.
and i might eat real meat that looks just like fake meat.
but
other than that, she and i are TWINS!
@@rawdayoussef4223 he was JOKING
blessings and shalom
“Sorry Christians, you don’t get to tell people that other religions are wrong, I do.” Laughing. Out. Loud.
Well, yeah. It sounds stupid and blatantly unfair when you put it that way, but one of us is saying scientific theories are real and believable, while the other is saying that some people will be punished infinitely for the crime of being sexually attracted to people to whom they're sexually attracted, despite this being out of their control. Lemme know when there's a scientific theory proving that a god exists who is all-powerful and, and the same time, doesn't have the power the forgive everyone for being the flawed beings he specifically designed them to be and knew they would be without having his son tortured to death.
@@Orangekid65 Even if you don't believe in God, hating on others for believing is Jesus is just as bad as hating on someone for liking the same gender. Same concept, different people your hurting.
@@Orangekid65 so homosexuality is not the only sin. As a heterosexual male I have a desire for women and every way except for through marriage, would leave me in the same punishment as someone who actively engages in homosexuality. Am I mad that I can’t turn off that desire? No, I realize I’m fallen (and God did not create me fallen, beginning of Genesis) and real relationship with Christ is better than fulfilling my urge to be with women outside of marriage.
Also, If I forced you to love me, is that real love at all? God was never going to force humanity to love him. A choice has two sides though, if they don’t choose him they choose something else.
As far as a theory proving that God exists, take the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That is the single most impactful event in human history despite whether you believe the validity of it. 2000 years later and you can’t escape the ramifications of the notion that people STILL believe a man was fully God, died and rose again to bring them back in relationship with himself. The closest thing I can give you to a theory is that no one can prove that this didn’t happen. All they can do is speculate why a body was NEVER found. So, if you can prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christ was not raised from the dead, then I’ll happily admit you’re correct.
@@FreelancerAlpha1-1 The burden of proof is on the ones making the claim that a man rose from the dead.
As an atheist, I never tell people that they are wrong for believing in Jesus. I simply ask - how do you know you're right?
“I can make their problem about me” LMFAO the Bee is the gift that keeps on giving
The battle cry of a generation
YEP!
I actually like the Bee and feel like they are doing some good things in regards to the culture, but have to say that they missed it on this one. I know that it is satire and did chuckle at the actresses overdramatic portrayal, but I know that this doesn't represent every deconversion story. A lot of people who deconverted are dealing with great pain and the last thing they need is to be stereotyped.
@@williamjr3401 Yeah nah I'm sick and tired of society pandering to a bunch of cry babies, it's ruined every day interactions. These days 99.99% of the people have to bend over backwards so not to offend the 0.01% that might get offended, it is the very heart of what is wrong with the world today!
30 Years ago we laughed at these idiots and told them to shut the fuck up, now we let them make policies. So basically we have the minority being the decider of what's OK for the majority to do.
@@GeneralG1810 I understand, from a cultural perspective, where you're coming from. I'm not one for pandering either. I was raised with you say what you need to say and be straight up and down. I just wanted to share the perspective of someone who has deconverted. I understand that it is satire, but just wanted to share that it is not an accurate portrayal. I personally enjoy the Bee and appreciate what they are doing, for the most part.
I marvel that these folks "believed" without question and then suddenly discover intellect and philosophy and their faith implodes. Whereas I asked those same questions before I even considered Christianity. And it was seeking the answers to these very good philosophical questions which led me to Christ. All I can say is God answered all my questions step by step and then I finally saw the truth, trusting his gospel and being transformed. So these questions they ask are kindergarten. Which makes me very glad I didn't grow up in the church. It seems that the church culture has completely failed in teaching the flock how to reason from scripture, use their brains, and ask good questions and find good answers. How did Church culture become so flimsy and shallow? Oh yeah, I forgot. When it became about entertainment rather than truth.
I grew up in the Church and constantly had questions-and my dad, a pastor, encouraged me to ask and get answers for myself. I still have questions 27 years later, but I also know how to find answers. It’s made my faith stronger.
Are you me? Haha. Yeah, I actually agree... halfway. I do sometimes wistfully imagine how my life could have been different if I had been raised in a family that knew and lived the Christian truth... but (A) God's plan is best, and his plan for me involved a journey home; and (B) yeah, I feel a special pity and horror regarding those poor souls who are raised in _unhealthy_ Christian environments. To seem so close to Christianity by surface trappings, but actually be so far from its heart: to be exposed to the very worst possible interpretation of what some people call 'Christianity'. God bless and protect those poor souls and help their faith flourish beyond the place where it begins.
@@caterinadc5567 Totally agree with you. It all depends on which "churchianity" you were fed as a kid or even as an adult.
I had the opposite experience. I went to a Christian college and was well-versed with apologetics. But I did more digging and found the historicity of Jesus’ life and resurrection lacking substance, and historical accounts 100 years after the supposed events took place. I applied Occam’s Razor to every biblical event, and I found myself in a peculiar situation where I’d also have to accept the miracles of Buddha and other religious leaders based on the same standards of evidence (which wasn’t much). I’d have to take Zeus at his word, or reconsider the tales of Thor. I also reflected on Christianity from a scientific lens, knowing full-well a 13.8 Billion year old universe was meant for much grander things than humankind, we only recently evolving in the last 60 million years. Not to mention the trillions of solar systems likely harboring their own forms of intelligent life. The need for a Jesus to descend and save humanity made little sense in a universe hardly made for us. We’ve discovered truly how insignificant we are - not to mention our scientific understanding of Earth and the universe blows the Biblical myths of Adam & Eve and Noah out of the water. Not to say a “God” in the Deistic sense-a first mover or universal consciousness-doesn’t exist, but the Judaic God as we know it has been thoroughly disproven. Trust me, I didn’t want to leave the faith, I no ulterior motives-all my friends were believers and breaking away was painful and isolating. I would wish it upon no one. The pursuit of truth is noble yet often heartbreaking.
@@simulatrix I'll only comment to reply that you certainly haven't "thoroughly disproven" Christianity. I'm sorry to hear that you went through what you yourself describe as a "painful and isolating" break from your faith. I agree with you that the pursuit of truth is noble, and I encourage you to keep seeking it. I believe the truth will lead you back to God if you don't just give up and 'stop thinking' or stop seeking truth at any point along the way.
For example, it may help you to go back and question your younger assumptions that you could "know" that an old universe means God can't personally care about a particular set of creatures he inserted into that universe at a given point in time. That actually sounds to me like quite an unwarranted assumption (perhaps something that felt to you like it was just 'obvious'... but did you stop to question your own sense of the obvious? Why should you believe your sense of the 'obvious' is an accurate predictor of the mind of God?)
God bless you, brother (or sister). Keep seeking truth. There are several roads back to God, and the search for truth is one of them. Just don't stop being unafraid to be surprised by what the truth turns out to be. Your heart may yet be unbroken. :) Jesus promises that those who seek, find. So do keep seeking.
Very funny! In all fairness, my dad has had some really rough experiences in the church. He became an "exvangelical" after leaving home, then an "ex-exvangelical" years later😉
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"if God is real than how come that weird old guy I saw go to church one time say mean things to me"
Yeah and I heard that missionaries once did bad things to children. That thereofre means that all of jesus teaching against such things must be false then. Welp time to deconvert
@@Nov_Net "Once " ?
@@petitesayo4542 I was speaking about a specific scenario and not missionaries in general, this the use of once shows i am not grouping all missionaries into that category
There's people that are scientists that do mean things to children, should we not listen to a science argument ever again? There's people that make music that do bad things to children, does that mean we should never listen to a song ever again? You guys are missing the point. The point is not believing in God because of some action you saw or heard a believer do is incredibly stupid and disingenuous to the point of spiritual belief. It's jeopardizing your whole soul on something so petty and trivial
@Errol Brown i am not saying there aren't any actual arguments against God, im saying there are people who say stuff like that
I was so deeply evangelical that my whole life was shattered by one superficial argument that I didn't spend one second to think about or do a single google search on.
To be fair, it is the parents fault...and the church with the shallow Sunday school program.
"The Gospels are anonymous."
I know one person whose life was turned upside down after discovering that fact.
Yes she lost it totally
@@vejeke Well, except for Luke, we can be quite certain that the Luke who traveled with Paul is the Luke who wrote Acts, due to his writing changing from third person to first person depending on whether he is with Paul or not, and that both Luke and Acts are written to Theophilus, and the writer of Acts (supposedly Luke) in his opening address mentions a first book.
@@rookiecookie722 Is that what your pastor has told you?
_"Like the rest of the New Testament, the four gospels were written in Greek. The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66-70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85-90, and John AD 90-110. Despite the traditional ascriptions, all four are anonymous and most scholars agree that none were written by eyewitnesses."_
You should know that the author of Luke, when he speaks of Paul, contradicts in several places Paul's own letters.
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By the way, several of those letters are forgeries.
"Sorry Christians, you don't get to tell people their beliefs are wrong. I do."
This is gold and so true lol
You go that right.
“When I finally accepted that nothing in life really matters, I felt at peace. When we die, that’s it. Nothing matters! Until I scream in agony when I break a bone or I panic and rant online when someone I don’t like gets elected into office, but I still claim that nothing matters.”
Yeah nihilistic atheists are always the most contradictory.
Said no atheist ever.
Then if nothing matters we can use this to justify atrocities. The other side is that is can help people cope with negative situations in life.
Not like my deconversion story, I had a dream where I talked to the devil at 12. He asked questions that no one in my life could answer, destroyed my faith for 20 years, I'm back now.
What questions 🤔
@@OneJustLaw
Probably stuff like:
"If God was real, then why... science?"
@@OneJustLaw More like "why suffering?" "How do we know God's plan is the best?" Mostly the case that the devil wanted to be free like man, and God said no." All things I've come to grips with.
"How come god real, if ur mom gay?" - the devil
@@travissharon1536 so "the problem of pain" "the uncertainty of faith" and the fact that just like all humans the devil had a choice to follow god and said no. pretty standard questions that humans have been dealing with for thousands of years.
I'm glad that my parents brought me up encouraging questions and challenges regarding the Faith rather than shunning them.
As an Evangelical Christian, one of the most important steps in the strengthening of my belief has been actually wrestling with objections rather than shunning their presence.
Interesting. Are you a young earth creationist or old earth creationist?
Faith is the belief in something in the Absence of Proof.
I myself am an atheist/Buddhist, and well versed in science and am very much a person of science, but I was raised Christian and still help people in their own faith. I've actually used science to help people understand and strengthen their own faith. Science, used properly, literally cannot disprove Faith or God/s (whatever you may believe), and any good person of science would know this. But people never have such discussions, and instead of supporting and understanding others, everyone seeks to convert everyone else to their way of thinking, rather than accepting that it's ok for us to all believe in different things, so long as those beliefs don't lead to violence or other criminal behaviors, or forcing your ideas and beliefs on others.
Many religious people also struggle with defending themselves against aggressive and rude people of "science" by too often being afraid to accept the reality of science, and failing to recognizing that it is not in fact a threat to their system of beliefs. They fear science, or don't understand it well enough, to know its limitations, and to recognize the terrible arguments by those trying to bludgeon believers into becoming atheist with "science".
It's ok for people to change their beliefs too, but people must convert one way or another on their own, of their own choosing, and that should be done by setting good examples and by explaining one's beliefs to them, not running around condemning people, attacking their beliefs, etc. I've seen far too many people in my life running around trying to convert people by threats, insults, hostility and aggression, and otherwise proving they themselves are a horrible human being. Why would anyone wish to convert to any religion where such people and behaviors are tolerated? A good missionary or evangelist seeks to convert people by proving through action why their faith is good for the other person. Leading by example, and thereby convincing others that people like you and your beliefs are something they want in their own lives.
@@SoloRenegade You're just doing the same thing that we're making fun of. Who says that our "religion" "tolerates" such things as what you're describing? God doesn't tolerate evil, and when people who profess to follow God do so, that's their failure, not something that you can project onto-
Wait, I recognize that username. Ugh. This guy never learns anything. Don't feed the troll, folks.
@@ivaldi13 How am I doing the same thing as what?
And no, I'm not a troll, just a person who enjoys a good debate. People who think I'm a troll just can't tolerate their ideas being challenged or criticized.
Question... if I'm sincere in my belief that the God of the Bible is the only God, and that He sent Jesus to die as the only way to restore us to relationship with Him, and that those who refuse to believe and accept will burn forever... am I evil for pleading with people to believe, or evil if I don't? What do you think?
When people give up on Christianity when they run across a Christian that isn’t acting 100% perfect all the time
A wise pastor liked to quip: People who are Christians are not sinless, they are just people who tend to sin less. Jesus will pick up their slack with His grace.
@@jkleylein Of course. A christian can justify his frequent lapses into sinning by telling himself this. I can sin once in a while after all I'm not perfect and I can always pray for forgiveness and I will always be forgiven. Then later on he can repeat this process over and over. How convenient.
@@jasonlee8156 It's not about justification, it's about faith and forgiveness. All of us are toast without forgiveness. Those who don't think they need it, however, will not receive it, either.
No, you give up on Christianity when you realize super natural isn't natural.
@@jkleylein It's about hypocrisy. Christians can sin all they want because in the end they can always be forgiven. That seems to be the mentality some of them have. That's the point I'm making. That's why I don't buy that christian BS.
T.S.Eliot in his intro to Pascal's Pensees: "The majority of mankind is lazy-minded, incurious, absorbed in vanities, and tepid in emotion, and is therefore incapable of either much doubt or much faith; and when the ordinary man calls himself a sceptic or an unbeliever, that is ordinarily a simple pose, cloaking a disinclination to think anything out to a conclusion."
I thought I was saved at the age of Twelve. Grew up in Church... Prayed the "Prayer". Was never truly born again until about 12 years ago.
that;s why "the prayer" is called "methodism"...it's just as stupid as being baptised "again" or being "baptised in the spirit" or any of that nonsense. Follow the Christ... every hour, every minute.... and leave the rest to God.... but don't trust in a "single" prayer of act.... that's just stupid human religious stuff. God, and Christ, is not interested in that once off rubbish tokenism
How do you know you were truly born again?
@@lordvoldamort4606. It all depends on what you understand about what Jesus was talking about. It's extremely simple, actually. Basically only oriented towards Jews... But it did open the way for heathens as well, although Jesus always used different forms of speech when addressing the heathens. Things like : drink the water of everlasting life... So: how do you know whether you did last mentioned...? Same question... Let's see if you actually have 2 whole brain cells... Or, what about this one : " go and sell everything you own... give the money to the poor, and come back and follow me". Have you done that? Do you know if you have....? How? Much, much more difficult question to answer... And much more important, if you're not a Jew who believes his Jewish birth saved him... 😉 Let's see if you can read....
@@hopscotch30 🤔 ?
@@hopscotch30 "Follow the Christ.... Just don't do anything he says." Best advice ever there, champ.
I learned everything I need to know in kindergarten. (But I hope my doctor doesn't feel the same way.)
Exactly.... keep on repeating that thought till it makes you change your heart: Exactly... is it ok if my dr didn't learn.... is it ok if I don;t learn more about the most important, most abstract, most intricate THING in the known universe.... is it really ok? IT IS NOT!
Let me start you thinking: Why would the omnipotent, omniscient, Triune Divinity, in all His (Their) wisdom and infinite council, decide to create .... which implies the second law of thermodynamics, which implies time, which implies pain ..... Why? can you answer this? I doubt this. But try... Otherwise you DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH! There is a reason Jacob had to fight. A reason for the name Israel. See if you can get there.... Otherwise, well,... good luck with your nominal faith. Just beware of the often spoke words of Christ: Go away, for I do not know you....
@@hopscotch30 I don't think you understood my comment. I meant to say that I hope my doctor didn't stop with a kindergarten education.
@@ThisIsStartingToAnnoyMe. I understood you perfectly.
If there was a God who knew everything, he really couldn’t explain anything without explaining everything, because by only stating part of the truth, would be to not tell the whole truth, which God wouldn’t do.
I got saved but then fell, because I had a weak foundation. Years passed, and the Lord took hold of me once more, but still I failed to understand.....Then the Lord grabbed me, and told me what I was going to do. I'm not certain that I have a clear word for what the Lord has made of me now, but I am yet with him, and he with me.
Amen!! I was on the same boat as you.
I think this fits quite well with the parable of the sower
Maybe evangelicals should pay attention to the patterns that cause them to identically suck.
Or maybe if Christian liberals and the left in general would stop attacking Evangelicals, they wouldn't be viewed in a negative light.
This is equally sad and funny at the same time.
Did she just take a selfie with an early 80s brick phone?
Epic lol
My favorite case ever
I think what’s real for these people, and I came out of this culture, is that often countering ideas aren’t really deeply exposed and allowed to be wrestled with and this is a very contentious age. Even if Christianity is true, individuals need to be able to fully know what they’re choosing and often that gets obfuscated by emotional sing alongs and feel good compliance. When you grow up in it, everything else is ‘hyper evil’ often to an inaccurate degree, which is unfortunate. The church is full of many unique, wonderful, and probably true things but the all/nothing bubbles sometimes lead to the explosive deconversions when one truth is realized as a lie everything shatters.
I sincerely hope that ex-evangelicals someday realize this is how they sound to people of faith.
Then you have no idea how ridiculous you sound to atheists))
I don't think they care how they sound to people of faith... Exactly like how you don't care how you sound to them...
We know how we sound to you. We were you.
Not all people of faith. Whoever wrote for this video was dripping with contempt, and I know Christians who are much more charitable and willing to listen
You’re missing it. This is satire. It is satirizing the contempt that atheists have toward Christians. It is not meant to show contempt, but to point a mirror and expose the contempt of atheists, and (based on the reactions above) it seems to be working.
It infuriates me that this is believable. I blame "Christian" parents who don't take the time or exert the energy to teach their children what they believe and why they believe it. That don't take the time and energy to answer questions regarding their faith with patience and proof. Instead of faith in their Savior, they have this vague faith in some "system." UUUGGGHHH!
Is it possible such Christian parents didn't take the time or exert the energy to learn what they believe and why they believe it.
And shallow youth groups and leaders that dodge questions to try to appeal to a larger audience. “Well you just have to have to believe more” however that belief must be founded on *something* and if it’s just because it’s right or it’s what everyone else does around you at that time, it might be paper thin.
Encourage kids to seek God, be humble enough to say “I’m not sure” or “let me ask” if you don’t personally know. Tell your story of faith. It has to be real or it’s just more in-group guidelines. God can handle questions and isn’t insecure about people wanting to know. Seek Truth. We were designed to walk with God in the cool of the day
My parents were very god and very open, but become a fan of history, and you realize how paper thin the religion is. I asked for proof. No one's got proof
My parents brainwashed me from an early age and quite well. I fully believed in god and the Bible. But then I realized that if I was born into a Muslim family, what reason would I have to reject Allah and the Quran? What reason would I have to accept Jehovah and the Bible? My own introspection I realized I was believing based on no unique evidence at all. Every reason for believing and having faith in Christianity can be used for every other religion on this Earth. So I rejected all religion. Since then I have refined my argument into a single, unbeatable sentence against all religions:
There's no compelling, falsifiable evidence for the existence of any god of any religion.
I'm an atheist conservative who knows the election was stolen from Trump, not that that matters as the logic and truth of my words remains the same. But maybe you will pay more attention if you know I'm not a socialist who supports a president that gropes children.
@@SolarisKane If all it took was acknowledging that not everyone agrees with your religion to make you lose faith then you were not brainwashed.
You forgot that she also got in trouble at youth group for asking too many questions that the church couldn't answer.
Yeah lol
Galileo...
@@wfemp_4730 we all know that Queen song so what. Figaro bro.
@@wfemp_4730 he was put under house arrest and got in trouble cause he was teaching something that was not scientifically proven
@@crossbearer6453 His idea of a heliocentric solar system did not agree with the RCC's teachings of the time: a geocentric solar system, which by the way, wasn't scientifically proven.
THANK U FOR SHARING UR STORY IT WAS VERY MOVING!! Best part was when you said, “it’s checkmate time!” I laughed and cried.
Watching this after seeing people I know do this same "conversion". BB you nailed it again.
Hey y'all! I'm an actual "ex-vangelical" here. Was in the church and heavily involved until around 20. Wanted to be a missionary for refugees, truly believed Jesus was the only way and that my life was completed and saved by him. Learning the history of the Bible and struggling to see the God of the Bible as "moral" are the main things that turned me. Ik this is Babylon bee, but if anyone has any serious questions I'm happy to answer! Ps, not here to be combative, just express what most of us are actually like as fellow-humans 😁
I’ve been casting out demons in Jesus’s name since I turned 12. I also learned demons hate Jesus’s name even when it’s in song lyrics, and that God will sometimes send the angels when I ask him to. You will have a difficult time convincing me none of it is real. Or that I should ever give up my faith.
The Christians who claim I am a pagan/witch/new ager because I have some spiritual beliefs about connecting with God and actually having that relationship haven’t been able to deconvert me yet. I’m not sure you would easily be able to do so either. The Christians have tried really hard to get me to turn from Christ and failed.
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Probably because I’m used to hearing how I will go to Hell when I die from other people for every reason under the sun even if Scripture never says it’s inherently sinful or a salvation issue. So I am typically in defensive mode of my beliefs.
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To be honest, I don’t blame others for leaving.. but at the same time I personally don’t hold Jesus accountable for what everyone else has done and I had supernatural experiences with him and saw some of the miracles. I got to live some of my faith in supernatural ways. So leaving Jesus is not an option for me.
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Then what was your reasoning?
@gorror
I don’t believe the Bible is The Word. I believe Jesus is The Word. Kind of a difference there
I understand the Bible is not perfect
I had no idea you guys make videos and I could cry with happiness.
Yeah- I'm not a believer either but every ex-Christian I run into seems to have roughly this mix of juvenile superficiality, self-indulgence, and one can almost see them dancing airily through the trees in just that manner.
I’ve met some ex Christians who just realized they didn’t believe, but still respect other faiths.
@@doobieddooo Jesus Christ didn't "respect other faiths". Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life. NO ONE comes to the father except through the Son."
I’m ex-Christian and deconversion was heartbreaking. I went to a Christian college and ALL of my friends were believers. I studied philosophy and dug into the facts-I wanted to believe but came across so much countervailing evidence/arguments it was inevitable. That said, many ex-Christians regale the “and I just stopped believing” testimony, mostly because they never believed in the first place. But that doesn’t characterize all of us
@@simulatrix At this point I have to question whether you understood the arguments in the first place. Let me present you with 2 . I'd love to hear your objections. For now I will only argue for the existence of God, not any specific religion. First of all you have to know what kind of evidence to even look for, obviously considering the attributes by which such a being is defined you cannot expect to have empirical scientific evidence. God is not some element in nature waiting to be discovered by science as a lot of atheists seem to think, if an architect builds a house you wouldn't expect him to literally be a part of the wall or a painter to be a part of the painting. So we established that God is outside the universe, science deals with the natural, physical world so it is already the wrong tool, it's like using a metal detector to look for plastic. Science, observation of the physical world can be used in proving God but you cannot expect to find empirical evidence for him. Now let me start providing you evidence.
1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
I don't think premise 1 should be too controversial. The acceptance of it is certainly more reasonable than it's denial. Being cannot pop into existance from non-being. Some might object that quantum physics prove that something can come into existence out of nothing, that there are particles that seemingly come in and out of existence out of nothing. But this is wrong, these so called virtual particles arise out of fluctuations of quantum fields. The quantum fields vibrate and produce energy that can form these particles. The quantum vacuum is not "nothing", Not to mention that the vacuum is subject to the laws of physics. Now as for the second premise. In the past atheists used to say that the universe is eternal, but they have been proven wrong with modern science. Even than there are philosophical arguments against an infinite past. Now let's make a distinction between a potential infinity and an actual infinity. Potential infinity is increasing towards a limit of infinity but never reaches it. Actual infinity is a collection of members, like in a set. An actual infinity cannot exist, it is logically incoherent and paradoxical. Try counting from -∞ to 0, where would you even start? How could we get to today if there is an infinite amout of time in the past? But a beginningless series of events in time suggests an infinite number of things occured. So a beginningless universe is absurd. And another point is that you cannot form an actually infinite number of things by adding one after another. Next there is scientific evidence for the beginning of the universe. According to the 2nd law of thermodynamics heat will transfer from higher to lover temperature bodies, never in the opposite way, it is working towards a state of equilibrium. According to this, the universe will one day suffer a heat death, this can only suggest that it had a beginning. If it existed forever why didn't this already happen? This is logically incoherent with an infinite universe. It's just like a toy being wound up and than walking or singing for a short time, just like Woody from Toy Story or like a battery on your phone. Next is the expansion of the universe. It's not like the unniverse is expanding into empty space but space itself is expanding, the galaxies are moving further away from each other. The universe is always getting less and less dense. If we go back in time than the it is geting denser and eventually it reaches a point of infinite density in a finite past. This is a singularity in which time does not work, all of time, space, energy, matter was in an infinitely small point, this is where laws of physics cease to function. The universe came from literally nothing. All of space, time, matter and energy came into being at the initial singularity. So let's conclude. The cause must obviously transcend the laws of this universe, the naturalistic worldview here is absurd, nature cannot be the cause for the beginning of the natural world that's like saying a daughter gave birth to her own mother or that she gave birth to herself. The attributes this cause needs to by definition have are to be timeless, spaceless, immaterial, changeless, beginningless, it must be personal because it has to make the conscious decision to create the universe. It is an eternal uncreated being or a mind if you will, which exists by the necessity of it's nature, not an external cause. This being is God. Now one might object by saying that I explained above that something beginningless is logically absurd, but if one makes such an objection he clearly misunderstood what I said. God is timeless, when I say that He is eternal I do NOT mean that He existed for an infinite amount of time. He is not affected by time at all! He did NOT exist for an infinite amount of hours, days or whatever. Time began at the beginning of the universe and He is the cause, He must obviously transcend it.
Next, the universe is fine-tuned to allow life, the constants are set at an incredibly small rate which allows a life supporting universe to exist. If any of these were altered by just a tiny bit, a life supporting universe could not exist. Let me give you a few examples of this, obviously there is still much more. The odds of the Gravitational constant to be so finely-tuned by chance is 1 in 10^60, the cosmological constant is 1 in 10^120, strong force is 1 in 10^40, and there is still more. There are other examples like the initial low entropy state of the early universe of which the odds are estimated to be around 1 in 10^10^123, energy density at the Big Bang is 1 in 10^60. These are just a few examples, we could go on and on here. There are 3 possile explanations for this which are: necessity, chance, design. There is absolutely no reason to think it's necessity we know the universe could have been a complete mess, one would have to show that the laws of physics are somehow incompatible with a life prohibiting universe. There is no evidence to think this. The chance for it is so incredibly small that it is not plausible at all, your brain isn't even able to fully compehend how small it is, no rational person would believe this. But what about the multiverse? How many alternate universes are there? There is no reason to answer with anything other than infinite. I already touched on this, an actual infinity cannot not exist in reality, and there are thought experiments such as Hilbert's hotel which show the absurdity of dealing with actual infinites. An actual infinity is only an idea, it doesn't exist in reality. So it doesn't seem to be necessity or chance, the option we are left with is design, which makes perfect sense and is by far the best explanation. We can form this into a deductive argument like this:
1. The universe is fine-tuned.
2. The fine-tuning of the universe is a result of either necessity, chance, or design.
3. It is not a result of Necessity or chance.
4. Therefore, it is a result of design.
@@WhyWasntIBornInTheMiddleAges You may find it curious to know that I am in fact a Deist. I am familiar with all the philosophical arguments supporting the existence of a "deity" (dependent on what that definition really entails). Albeit I am more or less an agnostic deist, as I am not 100% convinced we can know the truth of these matters. Nonetheless, I strongly reject the concept of a Judaic God as fabled in the Bible.
The first argument you lay out is famously known as the Kalam Cosmological argument. It's a sneaky argument due to the phrase "begin to exist". Now the universe has we know it had a very clear beginning: the Big Bang. So something must have caused it, right? Perhaps. The problem arises here because causality requires time. For one event to cause a second, it must have occurred in a timeframe before the second. But if that second event is the inception of time itself, how can we possibly say the causal event was 'before time'? The very concept of causality breaks down.
The question "Did the universe always exist" is perplexing, because while it had a clear beginning, that was also the beginning of time itself. So the synomymous question "Has the universe existed for all of time" answers true. As far as time is concerned, the universe has always existed. It's mindracking and hardly fathomable. In my eyes, there's something about the universe itself which is eternal, and as far as I'm concerned, that might be a universal consciousness which explains quantum mechanics.
Lastly, I don't buy the arguments for fine-tuning of the universe, for multiple reasons. Your claim "If any of these were altered by just a tiny bit, a life supporting universe could not exist" only applies to life as we know it in the universe. We (and all other life on Earth) have evolved over millions of years to adapt to our environments and survive against the odds. And we are only one planet among likely millions without life. I'm convinced that in a universe with different constants, some other type of life-unresembling anything like humans-may flourish on a limited number of planets. Just because we lack the imagination to fathom how life might form in these universes doesn't mean that they wouldn't. If anything, this universe is largely inhospitable to life-from the shivering cold void of space, to the devastation of solar radiation unprotected from a molten core producing magnetic fields, and the narrow goldilocks zone where we suspect life is possible. If I told you a puddle was perfectly shaped to fit inside the divot in the ground we found it, would you suspect it was perfectly designed to fit, or would you rather suppose that the puddle morphed to fit its environment?
This is so spot on it almost isnt a parody
I love her more each day. Great video guys. So very right on as always.
Love this channel! Keep up the good work guys - even tho exposing hypocrisy doesn't seem to reduce it. But it make for good comedy!
Great vid! 😅As a Catholic I found amusing that most young people don't even look for answers that actually you can find on a Google search or on a YT video these days... And also READING GOOD BOOKS!
Sometimes you don't know what questions to ask. Like, if I applied the personality of God to a human, how would I feel?
At some point as a kid, I was trying to figure out what religion to believe in until I realized that you don't have to. My parents are atheists, but not activists, so they never had reason to mention anything about religion, or lack of it, to me.
"Sorry, Christians. You don't get to tell other people their beliefs are wrong...I do." Classic.
Wrong my Friend God said there are no other Gods, no monkey gods, no little fat gods, God said it, no we Christians, we say what God said. You argue that it is only mans writing, correct, with Gods inspiration and sayings.
@@jimcoulter5877 That is not my sentiment, my friend. I was just admiring the sarcastic irony that is the Babylon Bee.
God Bless you and yours. Have a Merry Christmas, brother.
@@jimcoulter5877 Every God and Gods myths sell themselves as the only ones with all the others as frauds. Christians holding up the bible saying "This is from God!" is no different than Muslims, Hindus, Odinians or any of the other numerous Gods and their Holy Sacred Totally True and Divine Texts say.
@@TheHigherVoltage It is different. One is correct and all others are incorrect. Even though Christians and Muslims do the same, only Christians are correct. This us true, and anyone who disagrees is simply incorrect.
@@cjsimmons6535 They're both verifiably fiction and nonsense.
A couple years ago, my wife was friends with another Christian who was married a non-believer, an ex-Christian. At first he was just agnostic, but over time he became more and more militant. He was actively trying to dissuade her from the church. Eventually, he threatened divorce if she persisted, and this caused her to have a faith crisis.
When my wife and I went to speak with her, we told her honestly that we understood why she would be angry with God. We’ve all questioned at one time or another. Her husband, who had spent years trying to convince her that Christians are, deep down, in competition to be seen as the most Jesus-like, jumps up in anger and nearly shouts, “You’re just going to pretend like you don’t care if someone isn’t faithful?!”
He knew what he had done, and did it thinking he was going to “expose” Christianity. That’s sadly what replaces love of Jesus in their hearts.
If she married him while he was an ex-Christian, she sinned by doing that. If she thought he was a Christian when she married him, I feel sorry for her. However, the Bible says exactly what to do if your unbelieving spouse wants to leave - let them.
@@matthewpatrick7263 It’s an ethic that’s taken strictly within Christendom, but Paul’s advice really isn’t a command. More so, his words were of sound advice to live by spirit and to be in tandem with expressing the fruits of the Spirit.
There’s the practically of the matter of living daily with someone who’s occupied in their old-man who struggles inwardly with knowing only good and evil in a double-minded state that expresses carnality, and being as one who identifies with Christ who can simply live life peacefully. When one tries to be the reason or cause to give personal revelation to their agnostic spouse, that’s a goal or responsibility which doesn’t fall upon them to do. It doesn’t fall upon them, because it is actually impossible for them to change another man’s heart. The Father can only do this by giving a revelation of who the Son is to a man.
Everyone has their own order, and each man can only hope to live up to the greatest commandment of the law: To love God, and to love others as they would love themself. If an agnostic wife or husband would choose to stay with their believing husband or wife, Christ doesn’t look poorly upon that at all. “To the least of these, you did onto me”. God will hold each man to account based on what knowledge he’s been given to act upon in his life.
@@matthewpatrick7263 I don’t know. I don’t think it changes anything for me, or my wife.
When my wife and I got married, I was an atheist. I didn’t hate religion or God, I viewed it as hating a unicorn. I was raised in the church. It was my first child that led me back to Jesus. A child that would not have existed without my wife, my wife who chose to marry me even though I was not a believer.
I don’t know that marrying a non-believer is a sin.
@Jordan Breon no it's not a sin.
1 Cor 7 : (14)For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
Gob bless :)
@@fruitspunch8859 What a coincidence that chapter 6 verse 14 of that same books says this: "14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness?" The passage you quoted deals with people who were already married before they converted. You really should read the whole book.
I’m here to say head’s up: THIS is psychological inoculation so that you never think for yourself. With every new “threat” to the power structure, they’ll come up with a new approach to keep you hooked in.
Finally some sense from this channel. I usually watch for the humor, but this truth was refreshing.
If you look close enough you can actually see the straw...
Explain.
Again, Classic BB! Praying for All! 😇🙌🙏
It's amazing, when they think we haven't heard their slogans or at one time believed in them ourselves
A reminder to teach our children history and apologetics. Salvation comes even with the understanding of a child, but Paul reminded us to grow in our faith.
"I never once thought about what I believed" - almost everybody (if we are honest).
@eedd sdsd Chill, dude. They said _"almost_ everybody."
As an atheist, that's where my journey started. I thought one day, "Okay, I'm growing up. I should get my life together. There are problems with Christianity and most of them are with the people. Maybe other religions or systems have better figured out how to get people to act right. If they have... wouldn't that mean that they're closer to God?"
And what I found is that Christianity with all its flaws was the best religion, but that religion was at best a kluge to solve many complex problems at once that had been improved over centuries. I found that God didn't fit in the picture.
I found that religion didn't fit into my life, but the things that people did in it... did. Quiet contemplation and striving to be a better person are... the point. And it's hard.
That's my two cents.
You're taking this video a little too seriously.
@@ActuatedGear "have better figured out how to get people to act right." Ever heard of islam?
What do you mean religion doesn't fit into your life?
@@johnmark6628 You mean the religion that hands out grooming gangs like pamphlets?
I'm an atheist. Kinda hard to put religion in where it don't fit. Still plenty of reason to study and many things as I can get my hand on to become a better person. Plenty of reason to think on what I have done, talk to myself about how I could have done it better to make the world a better place to live in.
There's no room for faith. There's no excuse for not making the effort.
"In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence" ---Issac newton. so much for the science good christians bad bs
I love this channel so much
When you have a a testimony you will always go back to God.
6 years ago I was the pope and literally had visions of the Virgin Mary, but one day I saw a Redditor mock me by saying “Sky Daddy”.
I had never considered that brilliant argument before and I had an crisis of faith and I immediately abandoned every principle of righteousness I ever had
You mean as opposed to "We know the Bible is true because it says it is"? I know, right, that is sooooo convincing. Or maybe the "there has to be a creator" argument!! There has to be a creator, except for the Creator! Not circular at all!!
@@Marshallgill kinda a strawman. I have yet to see bible scholars use “I said it’s true therefore it is” as an actual argument for the existence of god. though i have heard "there has to be creator" incorrectly applied by some surface-level christians
@@daytoncoates4930 _I have yet to see bible scholars use "I said it's true therefore it is"_
Normally they don't verbalize it, that would be embarrassing, but it is something they presuppose all time.
Just watch any of the Paulogia videos in which a biblical scholar or apologist tries to defend the resurrection of Christ... Count how many times the jingle plays.
@@Marshallgill The actual argument is more like; "every phenomenon with contingent existence, must have a cause, therefore there must exist the incontingent that cause all the continent phenomena. Or unmoved mover, or the eternal, or God, or what ever you call it. Of course, such arguments never convinced anyone of anything, ever, so I'm not sure why we bother even making them or arguing against them, or explaining them. But here we are :p
@@Marshallgill Except only atheist say that.
I actually had a guy tell me that one of the reasons he didn't believe in God because god spelled backwards is dog.
*x-files intro song intensifies
*Theism DEBUNKED*
Oh... a Biden voter huh?
Of all the deep philosophical arguments, this may be the strongest. There can be no greater proof for the invalidity of Christianity.
If you rearrange the letters in "atheists", you get "hastiest", because they're the hastiest people when it comes to picking a worldview.
Same energy!
If you abandon your faith like that [snap]....you never had it to begin with.
This is brilliant!! More this!!!!!
"There's no objective morals, only subjective opinions! So why don't you believe me?" - A know-it-all atheist
Subjectivity has always been a short sighted view of the world often based on self-interest. Which often works against the long term interest of the individual.
That said, it's a simple matter to come up with objective morals and values based on logic. It's getting people to place their long term interests above their short term desires which is difficult.
Atheists will respond that "morality" is whatever helps "society" thrive. I then open a history textbook and we start with the Ancient Sumerians "thriving" by slaughtering their neighbors....
@@sidwhiting665 The atheists will deliberately believe in all sorts of lies to barricade themselves from God.
In my experience, atheists will say that "there's absolutely no way the Ancient Sumerians aren't evil" and then proceed and say "but that's just because my morals are better. And it's better because I'm not violent".
While still denying the objective...they're crazy.
@@sidwhiting665 Not an individual society - morality is actions that promote well-being and/or reduce the unnecessary suffering of humanity. I don't think you've ever heard anyone say that morality is the benefit of one culture at the expense of another.
@@sidwhiting665 Most of the time, the Ancient Sumerians were just busy farming crops, building houses, trading goods and caring for their children. The slaughtering of the neighbours only made it into the history books because that is the kind of stuff that people chose to write about.
It's quite silly to pretend that was actually what these people did all day. Their civilization could never have functioned if they had just been murderous barbarians constantly killing each other for no reason.
Can someone please check the Early Life section on that actress' Wikipedia?
"What I'm telling you, Neo, is once you're ready... you will no longer need to check the Early Life section."
Lol! FYI I didn’t write this one. Just acted! Jesus is Lord!
Super funny, and simultaneously tragically realistic
Babylonbee is pretty much the best comedy out there now
I thought this was supposed to be satire? It's too accurate!
Not really.
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Sarcasm? Too funny!
@@jessebryant9233 So, you think it's funny to inaccurately portray people who deconvert? I do understand satire, but this is the farthest thing from accurate. Many are dealing with trauma and deep pain.
Is it though?
@@williamjr3401 It's not about people that actually are deconverting. It's about atheist shills trying to convince everyone that they know anything at all about Christianity. You missed the joke.
This was perfect. Sounds exactly like every de conversion. Is this even satire anymore?
Never was
Not this time. This time it's merely pandering.. lmao
You have to dig deeper. Every deconversion story does NOT sound like this.
I wish you guys would watch Paulogia's videos as religiously as you do with the Bee's so you could begin to understand how far removed from reality this video is xD
@@KangMinseok i appreciate you sharing. Never heard of Paulogia's channel.
This is gold. I am gonna send this to a few people. Some will laugh. Hopefully, some will have a moment of self reflection.
This video... I die. Soo good! You guys make me laugh so hard every day.
Science, checkmate. 🤷🏽♀️🏴☠️
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Me "I'm so glad I abandoned religion, now I can do whatever I wish and don't have to worry about its negative impact on others around me."
Me as well, "why are so many people doing selfish things that negatively impact me?"
Looool
This is so dumb. People who leave the faith, leave because of researching the history of the religion. Just because I’m an Atheist, doesn’t mean I’m promiscuous, doing drugs, getting drunk, killing, committing crime, etc. I still know right from wrong.
I live in the Netherlands, here most people are not religious and do not believe in gods. Here we have universal health coverage. You live in the United States, don't you?
@@renny3816 if this were a Godless universe, why would promiscuity, doing drugs, getting drunk, killing either born or unborn, committing crime etc be wrong?
Especially if you were high enough up the food chain to get away with it, like Kim Jong Un of North Korea.
@@vejeke Netherlands birth rate is only 1.5 per female. They are going extinct. Nice try though.
Babylon Bee always hits the nail on the head.
Brilliantly captured👏
Loved the details! Dancing with the tree leaves and the selfies on the wrong kind of phone.
🤣🙏🏻
I went to check the mail & it hadn’t come yet. How could a Loving God allow that?
This seems like a bad effort to trivialize a completely valid question. Have you been on a missions trip to an undeveloped country? Have you ever, even once, wondered how/why God allows that?
@@i6s1 it’s really a very simple & basic answer. We do not currently live in Heaven. The life many of us live on Earth is not devoid of pain, suffering & evil in many forms. You have to be able to understand these are 2 very separate things/places/states of being or any other term you’d choose to delineate the two. Many can’t understand it, or make the separation a reason to hate or disbelieve in God, & some cling to their ignorance as a point of argument
@@bill1589 Wow, I'm surprised you accept such a simplistic answer. Doesn't even begin to explain why God would cause or allow suffering. Just basically says 'that's the way it is' which is hardly a useful commentary.
@@i6s1 I wouldn’t even venture a guess as to whether or not there are flies in Heaven, but I’d love to be there when you explain all life’s mysteries to the Almighty
@@bill1589 Obviously we're talking about the suffering we see here on earth. Your focus on heaven comes across as avoiding the question rather than answering it.
🤣this is the best BB !-good work guys
It is a blatant misrepresentation. It is terrible and only makes it more difficult than it already is for questioning people to find support
Exactly the person she describes others to be...well done be proud of yourself..it's ALL you really care about anyway..yourself
Want to see Satan cry? Let's overturn Roe v. Wade!
So back to back alley abortions? Or just "legal" ones for people with money, like politicians who had daughters that were raped? Makes as much sense as banning all guns while being surrounded by armed guards.
@@DeAthWaGer Wow using the victims of a rare crime to justify every abortion. You're a propagandist lol.
@@DeAthWaGer I know that I'm a crazy reactionary, but how about a return to personal responsibility and accountability? 😉
@@thebuddah1253 didnt say they were all justified, just that "rules for thee and not for me" are too common among the people in power. Oh, and rape isn't rare, feel free to look at stats on sex crimes, especially on college campuses. A bunch of liberals living together with access to limitless alcohol and drugs, what could possibly go wrong?!
On the odd chance the Court actually overturns Roe, the states have the ability to allow abortions or not. Who’s heard of Plan B? Obvidentlly not Justice Sotomayor
This is the most perfect, text-book example of projection and irony.
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This one is an all-time keeper!!
I once heard a guy say that the line from Star Trek V: “What does God want with a starship?” Made him lose his faith. And it made him wonder what does God want with him. It’s too bad this young man had no one in his life to walk him through these questions.
I think college lefties should absolutely try other religions. It'd be like an Amish Rumspringa. I'd start with Islam, I'm told it's very progressive.
I tried jihad few times; flying imaginary donkeys was trip. Everyone should try it at least once!
There's lots of religions that are filled with tolerance and love, variations of judaism, Buddhism and Confucianism for instance
Or, you could start with none and see if any actually can support their burden of proof. See how that works.
Yes! And then they could spend some time finding out just how accepting and open-minded traditional Hinduism really is. It's literally illegal to be a missionary in India or just discuss other faiths with people in public. If someone converts, people are likely to riot, beat the person they think responsible for the conversion, and drag them to the police where *they* will be arrested just for sharing their beliefs with other people.
But people in the West always talk about Hinduism as if it were completely accepting of any and every belief or practice. This is because they are thinking of Gandhi-esque Neo-Hinduism which says "all rivers lead to the same ocean." The *vast* majority of Hindus on earth are not Neo-Hindus. Gandhi was actually assassinated by Hindus for his tolerant attitude. The current ruling political party in India is a Hindu Nationalist party which believes that only Hindus should exist in India and that not being Hindu makes you not really Indian.
And then and then, they could jump in a time machine and check out what *real* paganism looked like. I'm sure they'd really cozy up to the bull-blood showers, human body-parts hanging from trees, and praying desperately to gods who were *expected* to not give a crap about you and yet ruled every aspect of your life with fatalistic arbitrariness. If the gods really existed they would be *deeply* insulted by froo-froo, New Age-ified, "reconstructed Paganism." It's a good thing they don't exist or the thunderbolts, plagues, earthquakes, and people getting turned into random plants and animals would be positively rampant. (Not to mention all the god-rape) Odin (his name literally means "The Mad One," as in both angry and insane) is not going to be content with sacrifices of positive vibes and cheap booze, and the lord of the Olympians and smiter of Titans is not gonna be impressed with your little desktop shrine you got off Etsy so you can burn insense and feel smug about your life choices. Fertility goddess rites really don't tend to mean much at all unless something is dying in the process and gods of the hunt generally expect...you know...dead animals. So all those vegan, PETA supporting, ethically-spourced "Pagans" out there would have an aneurysm if they actually had to deal with such beings.
But no, the religion with a single, benevolent, free-will-allowing, God who did all the work for you and just wants you to live a good life in the time before He takes you to eternal bliss...is the bad guy just because Christianity makes you actually pick a single belief to consider true and stick with it. These people don't know how good they have it being "oppressed" by such an "evil" religion.
I have often wondered why people assume a loving god is all God is... Does a father punish his child because he hates the child? not typically. Can a father still love his child who has turned away from society? Yes. And who said God hates homosexuals? People can never understand "love the sinner, hate the sin"... And I include most churchgoers in that. It is so hard being around people who consider church a hotel for saints, rather than a hospital for sinners. And you don't go to church to change the church. You go to church to be CHANGED by it. Too bad that non churchgoers don't understand that... WORSE that churchgoers don't. Keep on buzzing at people, Bee!
God's will is a tricky subject, just like the will of a parent with a wayward child. Ultimately, love chooses to do what is best for the child as his/her best self .... even if it means to have the child be locked up.
@@nicolasbourbaki3481 The analogy would be to hand your kid over to the judiciary to be put to death, as the most honoring of the child's essential potential, which has corrupted into something deadly, vile, and evil. And that is pretty much where we are. (As you mention torture, perhaps you could review the stomach-churning evil history of how humans have treated others.)
Aaaand, the father continues to beg the child to repent, which option is open as long as the child has the agency left to do so. The child chooses to be tortured, because it can no longer can understand that it is torture.
My favorite part about being a Christian is that when someone sins I get to tell them that they’re going to hell but when I sin I know God will forgive me and I’m good. ….exactly, “Christian”…
I love the handheld phone like it’s a cell phone selfie.