Sequencing 1983 style with Jupiter-8, LinnDrum, and MSQ-700
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- [Skip to the music if you're not interested in the technical part: 4:40] Here's a video on recording synths at the dawn of MIDI. The bass line ended up being Inspired by one of the key songs of the best memories of my youth, One-Two-Three's "Runaway" (Bobby Orlando).
- Hudba
Now all you need is Phil Oakey singing "Don't you want me baby"... love it!
'singing'....lol
The secrets of Italo Disco finally revealed...
I love all of the mechanical sounds: especially the buttons on the MSQ-700. For a lack of tactile feedback, I'd say that software synthesizers would probably benefit more than their designers realize by including some audible feedback when buttons are pressed, knobs are turned, etc.; it's just so damn satisfying.
Lavish Deluna, agreed. There's just something fun about both the act of pushing buttons and the noises that the buttons make when pushed.
the pleasure of sequnecing in a vintage sequencer is so bigger than a software sequencer, like this you can create more humanly.
Made me smile in seconds.
Another amazing video!
This channel is like an encyclopedia of sacred synth knowledge.
Love the monster kick from the LinnDrum!!!
There used to be a band here in Austin, very early 80's and they had an entire 1 hour set programmed into a single MSQ700. It was amazing. I don't know how they did it. They had no drummer or bass player so every song had a synced MSQ with Linndrum. It was inspiring and made me want to explore synths. Which I did.
That's a very cool memory, Nelson - yeah, the MSQ in pattern-based mode can carry the entire set, because you can basically "reuse" the same / similar patterns in different songs, while using the same memory. It's a very cool feature and indispensable in those days when memory was at a premium... do you happen to remember the name of the band? We could look them up on youtube
@@SynthManiaDotCom HI what do you mean by pattern mode? IS there another mode that has patterns instead of Linear operation? thanks..
I had a LinnDrum back in the day. Someone stole it from me and I miss it every day. Yours is in great condition!
I would have been seriously pissed off at that getting nicked, they cost a fortune back in the day.
So… as it happens, I began MIDI sequencing in my bedroom in '83 with a Roland MSQ-100, a JX-3P and and Oberheim DX drum machine (the DX had no MIDI but could run sync'd to the MSQ-100).
In '86 I had a couple more synths, a different drum machine and the incredible (for the time ) Roland MC-500. Wasn't until '93 after 10 years of sequencing using Roland hardware sequencers and having even more synths and a sampler now, I made the transition to MIDI sequencing and digital audio recording on the Mac… 1st in Cubase Audio, then a year later a switch to Logic Audio Pro.
This vid brings back memories of where it all started for me… enjoyed it!
Thank you!
Got to love the big old clunker buttons.
Who would skip the delicious technical part?
Why i love synth music from `80s ?
So simple, yet so amazing..
Linn Drum glued the whole thing together!
Mr. Mania you are the man!!
thanks for giving countless hours of great music and inspiration
Its quite good to see how the old kit worked and seeing how easy we sometimes have it now.
When I had my Juno-60,, I used it and the MSQ to sync up my s950and my Roland R8in the early 90s. i LOVEEEEEE the old school way of making beats! I still use hardware to this day and dont use a computer at all for making music. Thank you Mr. Mania for these videos... Aka the Masked Magician... :)
My friend bought that synth in ‘96 from an old dude in a failed country band for $350...
#insanedeal
WOW
80’s heaven! Thanks for sharing.
you videos inspire me to get up and record every day.
There is a ton of things in the Akai MPC that are from history.
I can apply most of the tricks shown all in that box.
Fantastic (and cheaper) way to reexperience my teen years.
Thx for the teachings.
1983, the best year for italo
Very nice, I always get something from these videos.
Love the bass line.
Inspired me to re-master some of my tracks from the 80s. Keep doing what you do. Love it!
These are incredibly well preserved devices...
No idea was going on here. But this is rad.
+sample text Thank you - it's just a run-through of a hardware sequencer from the early-mid 1980s. From the late '70s to the mid '80s, before personal computers became easy and powerful enough to be used instead in the late '80s, hardware sequencers were commonly used for electronic (and non) music
Very good sound!! it's like the 80 ths
Very very cool. Thanks for posting
Love your vids. That Jupiter sounds sweet! The movement of the high freqs on the bass is so appealing. Keep up the great work
+donkeyfacekilla1 Thank you - I will
Paolo, love the new format of the videos. As someone who never seems to have enough time to do music, they are an inspiration (and a reminder that I am obviously just not *making* the time.
nice memories from back in the day. I had an Msq-100, which as I recall recorded two tracks only. I also used to have a LinnDrum, but I don't remember mine having midi.
+Doug Norton Doug, yes, your memory is correct, the LinnDrum didn't have factory MIDI. It was a third party add-on, like JL Cooper and Forat. I got mine installed by Forat. Although now I have Garfield syncbox, and wouldn't strictly need it.
Excellent idea! Thanks for the great work! And that Linn sounds incredible!
+Andy Trullinger Andy, thank you very much
Reminds me of The Human League, around the dare album time.Of course the Linndrum helps!
Paul Buswell The kit list on the original album liner notes confirm they were using exactly this equipment. One wonders why recording 80’s albums took so long when the equipment was this easy to use!
seeing this makes me so happy
This could have come out on Il Discotto or Baby Recs back in '83. Good work Paolo!!!
Love this video, man. Really great.
you have the best videos. Thanks!
love my rolands ..have a few vintage.few new sequencers that look like game changers
Maravilloso!
Gracias por compartir!
+Sebastián Muchisimas gracias
Awesome video! That Jupiter is bananas. Vibey demo thank you!
Thank you!
Thanks a lot! 1983 is the BEST year in the Universe, rise of Italo;-)
+Salavat Timershin Salavat, thank you!
+SynthMania As a man, who was born in that beautiful year, I thank you again, for the wonderful work, that you do:-))
I'm obsessed with that era! Advanced enough to have CDs and LaserDisc, yet the digital stuff was still fairly easy to understand. Nowadays I may be able to do something amazing but I have very little clue how it got done.
+DelilahThePig Cool;-)
That Bass is beautiful . . . ♥
finally got one off of eBay. they're rare beasts indeed
I got one too. It had never been opened (still in plastic) but some LEDs were out and the time correct feature drops notes =/
great vídeo!
Great stuff your showcasing. I have the MSQ 700 and its a very neat and quick tool to throw down some tracks. I've been meaning to do some videos on it too because I think more people need to see it. Thanks for making this!
Thank you very much, Pure Ambient Drone!! I agree, definitely a quick tool to generate some old school patterns in the '80s way. I haven't posted MSQ-700 videos myself in a while, but plan to do a comparison between CSQ, MSQ and MC sequencers soon
@@SynthManiaDotCom Now that's a great idea and since you have those it would be a great way to show the pros and cons of each one. I have been binge watching some of your videos today ha ha. I see you over on my channel too so thought I would drop by and leave some synth love over here.
Thanks, your channel is great! I need to fix the CSQ-600 since it broke but I have a CSQ-100 working. If you use pre-MIDI gear I'd definitely recommend a look at the CSQ series.... very limited by today's standards but they're even faster to use than the MSQ ;^)
@@SynthManiaDotCom I have a Juno 6 no midi after market installed. So I will take a look into it. Thanks for the tip! One of these days I am going to get you on my channel and do some talking with you. It will be fun!
Sure thing, would love to! I'm actually also thinking to do that ... planning to learn how CZcams real time streaming / and/or OBS and similar software works, I plan to start having guests on my channel as well - have never been life before, but people ask me to do live broadcasts..
Excellent instruction! :-D
Great 80s....
Nice. Always wondered how those old-school hardware sequencers worked. Seems pretty simple actually.
Back in the day :)
THe design aesthetic of the MSQ is great with the blue buttons and creme panel. Luckily I found a Yamaha sequencer a little larger than a scientific calculator to do my sequencing back in the day.
The metronome beep is physically painful. Excellent.
Great going!
Thanks!
Woao great. Can you complete the song, just wow
Sounds cool..
Setting out the night , setting out the night , I'm setting out the night ooooh yeah together would be right.
It's so easy, Valerie Dore
oldschooooooooooool!!!!!
The bass reminds of Modern Talking
Your ma heart you ma soul
I love Roland products for their intuitive interface. Much of the electronic instruments of that time had a quite user friendly interface though. I hate working with LCD screens in combination with jogwheels.
Great demo of how to sequence stuff with these instruments.
+kilésengati Thank you very much
I really wish I could do what you guys do.
Heaven
the chord sequence is from "I just died in your arms tonight"
Just what I thought! I started humming along at once! great tune :)
Filipe Up the Irons..
Almost...subtle differences plus it's in a different key. But yes it's enough to put the tune in your head!
It was complicated back in the days. I remember my first recording sessions on a 8 track tape recorder... TAPE 😅
LinnDrum inimitabile!!!
I think maybe pulling out my MSQ and putting a shroud over my MC-50 might help focus my synthpop stuff.
So simple and eloquent.
Wonder if i can sync my MXR-185 drum computer with no midi to the MSQ by trigger or tape out? (Its the one Cabaret Voltaire used on several albums. So there must be a way to sync it.)
Pull up "I Want You" and give it a listen).
thinking same ...those rolands...lol bit ruf on the tap though delt with a few
Do you think much has changed in the way we do sequencing since 1983? By, say, 1984/85 we were seeing the first affordable midi workstations (Atari ST etc) and suddenly midi sequencing was available to anyone. I would imagine an Atari ST running QBASE would play beautifully with that hardware. I really enjoyed this video. Thank you very much.
+NotMarkKnopfler Thank you very much, yes, I remember that the Atari ST and Cubase became practically the standard in the late '80s / early '90s, I think mostly because the Atari had MIDI ports already built-in, and for other computers you had to buy interfaces and attempt to make it all work together - which might have not been that easy to do in the early stages of personal computers. The first software sequencer I ever used in the early '90s was indeed Cubase, because it was hands down considered the best at that time (still is an incredible piece of software today, just that there are so many more competitors now).
Great video. Can you show us how producers of the 90's created that galloping bass sound in eurodance songs like Corona's Baby Baby or Netzwerk's Memories? I've always wondered what type of sound they used. Thanks in advance if you can show us.
I know its a late comment but this just got thrown up again for me by the 'gods of youtube' ;) back around this time I used a Roland CSQ 600 connected to a SH2 and a DR55, while a Poly 800 pulled poly duties, which I obviously played free hand and not sequenced, but the work flow is pretty much the same.
nicee, the chords sounds like dr alban's it's my life
Sounds like 1983 alright! Just needs a little square wave riff in it. ;-)
that's the sound of 84 my brother :) italo in 83 was still largely funk driven
badass
Sound just like the movie Firestarter of Charlie McGee 🔥🔥🔥
What does 'quantize' mean? Does this fine-tine your real-time playing to make it more precise? In other words, if your timing when loading a riff into the MSQ isn't absolutely precise, can you refine it to be more 'mechanical' and less human?
Great demo. I never realised you could change the incoming midi channel using the Reset and Bwk/Fwd buttons. A couple of questions - Do you know of any hidden way to edit recorded tracks and how is the Linn synchronised?
Scarface stuff!
I have a scar on my balls
I bought an MSQ-700 N.O.S., never opened from plastic! But the quantize drops notes and the LEDs don't all work ;( Was hoping to avoid those sorts of issues...
I had NO idea you could quantize like that. Using hardware, and not just the built in sequencer on the keyboard or beat machine.
Maybe I can finally put my Yamaha DX-7 to use.
Hi Synthmania! Thanks for the video. Short question: Do you know if it's possible to switch between the different tracks on the msq while playing? I have one and it doesn't seems to work. Maybe you have a trick?
Hey Paulo, big fan of your videos. Quick question..Which Dcb to midi converter did you use to connect the jupiter 8 to the msq 700 midi channels? Thanks!
Thanks - no DCB used here, the Jupiter-8 is Encore-MIDIfied since when I bought it
Odd how the root key of the chord pattern makes even the metronome sound musical to my ears.
Nice
+smokey5100 thanks
Just curious why you used your midi controller to record in your jp8 parts. Why just not use the jp8?
+sunil solanki My JP-8 MIDI interface (Encore) doesn't output MIDI notes from the JP-8 internal keyboard, it's In and Thru only.
Hi Paulo! I have a question about something found on Harmony Central (via reddit) about the MSQ 700:
"The Timing Correct function is what it makes it unique. Instead of moving the note to the nearest 16th note, it chops the notes off. What happens is, that the lenght of the note is edited, instead of the position. The values of the length of the notes depend on your playing. If you play a note that has a length of say 15, it will chop it off to what the MSQ thinks is the nearest value. This way you get these really funky, syncopating patterns and it's always a guess or a surprise what the outcome is."
Could you please explain what this means, how to use the quantization like this purposefully to get unique patterns or melodies? And if it would be possible, could you make a video demonstrating this? Many thanks for all your brilliant videos!
these are the chords from you touched my tralala(dingdong song) :P
[attaches fake mustache and slips on pair of aviator sunglasses] Indeed.
At 4:28 you said, 'Add some drums in sync with the MSQ' but how...you just pressed play on the MSQ and Bam! ..it all worked. You have to connect them first? Select stuff on the Linn drum , no?
There are several ways you can connect them - both my Jupiter-8 and LinnDrum have MIDI retrofits, so I think that's what I used in this video, but in the pre-MIDI days they used dedicated sync boxes that worked with different brands at the same time, i.e. watch this video on mine on the Garfield --> czcams.com/video/NBx9vBCqtZs/video.html
I really need to learn more abt midi to get the most out of my Mpc w my ju 06 d05 and proteus
So in order to do this did you have to mod your LM2 and add Midi?
Hi, can I use DCB Out and MIDI out at the same time? I've seen there is a selector...
Dude!!!!!!! 👊
Hi Synthmania! Can you please explain about the 16 midi channels and 8 tracks on the MSQ? Does this mean that you can record up to 16 separate tracks (instruments) per the 8 available tracks? Or am I missing something here?
synthmania what is your opinion on the mc500 and mmt8. I ask because the msq appears to be hard to come by. thank you
i think it was I LIKE CHOPIN the track that made that chord pattern being used in hundreds of Italo- synthpop songs, even into the 90s eurobeat, can t think of any song before that one.
That chord sequence has been used throughout history, it's one of the most obvious chord progressions in dance music and there's probably close to 10,000 songs that have it in. As far as I know you can't copyright a chord sequence.
there is also the chord sequence in ITS MY LIFE by TALK TALK the way its played in the choruses, a lot of eurobeat in the 90s used the same one even with the same melodic beat accents
It my life by TalkTalk is not the same chords, it's my life by Dr Alban on the other hand is. AM DM G EM
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Can each midi channel per the 8 tracks be a separate track? Can you please explain how this would work in terms of building up a song? So do you actually have 8 x 16 tracks to work with essentially?
Fantastesch !!!
+MrArpSolina Thank you!
All l want is that Linn can't believe we don't have a reissue unless the circuits can't be sourced?
Does anybody know if sequencing this way is a lot tighter than triggering outboard gear in a DAW? It sounds like it is..
What do you mean by tighter?