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I don't remember exactly when it happened, but at some point in my 20s I realized that Paul had completely hijacked the Jesus narrative and twisted it into his own religion. I realized he was an opportunist extraordinaire. What we think of as Christianity today is in reality Paulism. Sad truth.
what does this even mean? Paul taught what Jesus taught, the apostles met paul and luke was travelling with Paul. Paul went to the kuffar and told them to stop sinning, You make it sound like Paul made himself a king, like mohammed. Paul had no wealth, nor had he slaves or a palace, he was travelling between the churches of the menorah, and in the end he wrote he had to go to rome to die there, thats what happened. He went to the cesar of rome and he was killed by them. You guys dont believe what the bible says but pretend the bible is backing u up. Paul became a slave of Jesus.
@@Jesus_was_God it Paul didn’t taught what Jesus Taught he taught his own believes he used to prosecute Christian’s anyone who follow Jesus was killed by Paul
@@Jesus_was_GodJesus peace be upon him, taught people to follow the laws of God revealed to Moses peace be upon him to gain salvation. Paul taught people to believe in the crucifixion/reseruction of Jesus peace be upon him to gain salvation. Jesus (pbuh) taught people to adhere to laws revealed to Moses (pbuh), Paul abolished the laws. All of this is in the bible. Current Christianity is the religion of Paul not what Jesus (pbuh) practiced or preached.
Jesus said the following I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
@@roshanjc7752 Saul/Paul proclaimed to are the awaited Arabic prophet ! 😂😂😂 From that Jesus Christ speaks. But he ( Saul ) haven’t much time, by his traveling to Siria !!! 😂😂😂 When he fall from 🐎, and can’t speaks ( like Zakary ) 😂😂😂. He stole from everywhere, to claimed his prophethood ( from Satan ) 😈. He stole simply the prophecy of the Islamic prophet, that was awaited ! That are the prophet of all gentiles !!! I will not be in his skin in the Judgment Day 🔥🔥🔥 Burn, burn, burn He says they that hang on the wood, is cursed according to the Bible ! But with his suicide, and crucifixion payed he the price for the origin sin. Origin sin and that Jesus Christ was divine, Jesus Christ never claimed. To are this prophet of Arabia, he make a prophecy; He Saul/Paul claimed that Jesus Christ will come down from heaven before the real disciples of Jesus Christ dies !!!! Heard heard😂😂😂 All disciples died, and Sharlatan Saulus/Paulus the self proclaimed prophet, died too ! Bible; Real Prophet-prophecy comes true !!! False prophet- false prophecy !!! Fact ! Saul/Paul was a false Apostle/Prophet ! Or seen you Jesus Christ !???
What was the teachings of jesus? This scholar takes stuff here and there of the NT to attempt to subvert the Gospel. He has not read all the NT carefully. Only wants to emohasize this and that
Jesus said the following I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Paul created a religion for non-Israelites / gentiles that taught them to be “peaceful” and pay their taxes. Paul made sure that the followers of his religion would not need to follow any of the laws of God so they would instead follow the laws of Caesar.
yeah sure... thats why paul had no slaves or palace like muhammed. Paul was a loyal servant to God and brought the kuffar Gods laws. If u like jewish laws, why u dont keep them? For example Muhammed married his sons wife, he also made muslims marry women whos husbands were still alive. Thats death penalty according to book of moses, you guys cant compete with pauls justice, who went to rome to die for JESUS as a martyr.
@@Jesus_was_God Muhammad (saw) literally was a poor men who had to tie stones to his belly due to hunger and left nothing when he died. What palace men? I think you also received some thorn in your flesh like Paul to claim such an absurd thing. Also in the book of Hebrews 13:17, some say even written by Paul, says slaves have to obey their earthly masters. Muhammad (SAW) freed slaves and gave them rights, what did Paul do for slaves ? Did he save slaves lives like the prophet and Abu Bakr RA did for Bilal RA? who did Paul save ?
@@Jesus_was_God This doesn't have anything to do with Islam, let's not compare religions. My problem with many people in the chat is that they believe just because Paul gave the message, the message is his. It is not, many believe The Law and The Prophets are divinely inspired writings. My question is why doesn't this same treatment apply to Paul? We do not say Isaiah and Jeremiah or Ezekiel are writing out of their own thoughts, but The Word of God. Paul's background is rather irrelevant as well. Paul being knowledgeable about Greco-Roman culture and affairs is good and beneficial as it allows him to relate more to Greek and Roman audiences, but they speak as if Paul's adaptive preaching nature is not favorable. I object, Paul only used Greek philosophers' quotes because it is what his audience, often being Greek are familiar with and when he preached to Jews as in Hebrews, he spoke to them about Christ to a Hebrew perspective
All that means is a jinni visited him and pestered him. He is said to have cast many of them out via Christian ruqqia practices. Enough of them probably got annoyed w/ him..
Personally I suspect that it was Paul's own (homo)sexual orientation and constant longing for some action that gave him a thorn in the flesh, not some messenger of Satan!
Has anyone seen Archangel Gabriel visit the self proclaimed Arab prophet? Has anyone seen the self proclaimed prophet perform miracles? Did the Torah, Psalms or Gospels prophesy such an Arab prophet from Arabia? What was the religion of the self proclaimed prophet religion at the time of his birth? If God wanted to send a prophet, He would have chosen from the People of the Book and not a person born in a family practicing polytheism. Also as per the scripture believed to be recieved by the self proclaimed prophet, God doesn't know that Christians don't worship Mary, Mother of Jesus as God and mistakes Jesus mother as Moses sister. The following verse is from another holy book sent by God to Prophet Musa or Prophet Moses. “Yes, this is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: ‘Do not let the prophets and diviners among you deceive you. Do not listen to the dreams you encourage them to have. They are prophesying lies to you in my name. I have not sent them,’ declares the Lord” (Jeremiah 29:8-9).
Before you criticise Paul, Jesus said the following I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
According to the book of Acts, the early disciples of Jesus were called followers of the “Way”. I can’t help but think how much this correlates to Sirat Al-Mustaqeem (the straight path/way).
Wahb b. Munabbih (d. ~725 CE) is an early authority in ḥadīth who is known for his transmission of Isrā’īlīyāt. In the Tafsīr of al-Baghawī (d. 1122), in the exegesis of Surat Yāsīn, a tradition from Wahb b. Munabbih states that Paul was one of the messengers sent to a community of disbelievers: “’We sent two to them’ (36:14). Wahb said: John and Paul … ‘so We strengthened them with a third’ (36:14) the third messenger was Simon [Peter].” Al-Baghawī identifies these “apostles” as messengers sent by Jesus to the city of Antioch. After the first to were sent, calling the city and its king to abandon their idols, they were imprisoned and flogged. So, Jesus sent Peter to assist them, whereupon he cured a child of his blindness in the company of the king. *No wonder the first Christ-followers were called "People of The Way". Jesus Himself said, "I am The WAY, The Truth and The Life. No one can come to the Father except through Me."*
@@Dawah_HelpThat's what I was thinking. It was never supposed to be so much about Christ, but instead what he taught, and the rules and path he told the people of Israel to follow. He was trying to re-establish the original sharia of Moses.
I would also appreciate a book because I'm not Muslim and I'm trying to understand Dr Ataie's perspective regarding Christianity. I respect Dr Ataie's scholarly knowledge but I prefer to listen to various scholars ( both Muslim and Christian ). Also, I think this discussion was one-sided. Where's the contribution from any Christian scholar? There is none ! ( In this discussion ). Obviously Paul of Blogging Theology agrees with Dr. Ataie. No disrespect intended to you. I'm trying to understand Islam better. Respectfully...
I did a yearly course about the history of islam. A lot was about the period of isa as and the period afterwards. Here I finally understand the creation indoctrination and hijacking of the message of isa as and the rise of paulisme
I'm a big fan of your show brother Paul and I follow you on Twitter and on CZcams. This video was amazing and brother Ali Ataie's explanation was simply fantastic!
Jesus said the following I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
more like 1) paul williams is a deceiver for islam 2) ali ataie accounting graduate turned muslim cheerleader is confident western muslim that muslims can show off as a smart fellow 3) paul of tarsus had a spiritual encounter with jesus on the road to damascus that 4) muhammad of mecca heard about this and copied by claiming to get revelations from angel gabriel for two decades which sounds really impressive to gullible muslims.
Even in Acts u have the "disciples" casting lots to pick their twelve apostle no room for 13 yet paul calling himself and apostle would make it 13 which contradicts Jesus who said there will be 12 in heaven judging the 12 tribes of Israel, also a side note i believe Daniel 9 a cut off messiah is about James the brother of Jesus, as it says in the last 7 years a messiah will be cut off and the temple destroyed, as we know a messiah can be a high priest too
And Islam is the cult of Satan, Mohamad being one of Satan's minions! Remember that Mohamad should have been stoned to death for putting the words of Satan into the mouth of HaShem. This is clearly found in The Law of Moses!
@iamnot1 you are just a unbeliever and will believe a lie and a false religion over the truth. You will regret being willingly ignored when you could become a new creature in Christ.
@@jackwilliam2965 Nonsense. When any hadith clearly contradicts The Qur'an it must be rejected. However, I am unaware of any hadith which states: "The cross is a sign of Dhjal, Isa peace be upon him will break the cross when he comes."
@@nickmansfield1 Of course during the time of illusions the facts seem unrealistic. We are told Isa peace be upon him will come to end the fitna of Dhjal, the cross is a symbol used by western nations in conflicts and many government symbols including military.
My teacher to whom I remain eternally grateful to was a tad disparaging about Paul, he didn’t go into a lot of detail, but it was clear he held him in some contempt. We weren’t there to learn about Paul, so it’s a notion I’ve held without the will or need to investigate, even though I know he is highly revered amongst ‘Christians’.so this is interesting. We are not alone.
Read my comment above which outlines DOZENS of quotes from scholars & theologians that have realized the same thing. Paul is the real founder of Christianity, who corrupted Jesus’s teachings beyond recognition.
Jesus said the following I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Jesus is predicted in Isaiah 53: 5-9; 9: 6-7; 42 and 7: 14; Genesis 1: 26, 3: 15. Genesis 22 speaks about the sacrifice of Abraham's son Isaac sheds light on the future event of God the Father sacrificing Jesus. The Holy Trinity is as follows: Father is the Mind of God; Jesus is the Thought of God; Holy Spirit is the Consciousness (understanding the thought) and Action of God Jesus prays to Father because Mind is the source of Thought. There is no Mind without a Thought and there is always a Consciousness (understanding the thought) that leads to action. As per scripture, Jesus is Word of God and Thoughts are represented by Words.
@THESMARTERMAN555 No one is deleting your comments, you utter 🤡. CZcams automatically restricts comments of users it registers as spam, users sending many comments, or who are using curse words. You're not that important, stop accusing others of something you clearly have no knowledge of.
Yes, my dear brothers, my beloved Palestine is the cradle of Christianity and Judaism, and it contains Al-Aqsa, the third holiest place for us Muslims in Palestine. Bethlehem, the cradle of Christ, is a blessed land, and it is the holy land, and it has been our land for tens of thousands of years, and it is the land of the Canaanite Arabs, the original Palestinian people, and they have lived in it since the Islamic conquest in the era. The Umayyad, Abbasid and Ottoman Arabs, Muslims, Christians and Jews are like brothers and neighbors under Palestinian rule to the owners of the land, but the Zionists came and the British occupation brought them to our land as compensation to the Jews for what they did to them Hitler. The question here is that who did the Holocaust, the Germans, why do I, the Palestinian Arab, pay the price? Why not Germany? Why do I, the Muslim, pay the price for crimes? Committed by the Germans and Nazi Europe, fascism is the root of all evil in the world. Our problem is the occupation
You are part of the ongoing continuation of Adolph Hitler's saga. You see the land of the Jews to be your own land which it is not. You find nothing wrong when the Ottoman Empire continuously attacked Christian nations well after the Crusades-- muslims took these lands for the booty they contained, for the people they enslaved, for the new inventions the people created which islam wanted to call their own. And then when the Ottoman Empire fell apart, you saw no need to give the conquered lands back to the original Christian nations' peoples, but you kept them for yourselves. But now you want Israel. I say to you, Long live Israel, the land GOD gave to His Chosen people! May the Jews smash the mosque, defile the koran, and completely destroy the gold-domed building, melting its gold dome down to be remade as candleholders for the new Jewish Temple! And may the people in Israel worship HaShem in the Temple forever!
@@tbishop4961 you've been trolling like the 🤡 that you are, on this channel (& others) for many years now. It's remarkable how disturbed and empty the lives you and many others have... Your only meaning comes from trolling believers whilst your own life is devoid of any meaningful substance... What a sad, sad existence.
also yall... Paul after Damascus goes and "meditates" in Egypt for some time before he begins his "missionary" journey or whatever... So at that point in time what was going on in Egypt and what stories or religion do we have from Egypt??? We get the story of Horus (crucified between two thieves). Paul's letters and influence were before the completion of any "gospels" we have. So it seems obvious he went to Egypt and prob studied Hellenistic derived Kemetic mysticism (remember Alex the Great has already been through here) and basically used this to influence people. Thats why its important as a Muslim to study and study and study. Seek wisdom and knowledge. LailahaillAllah!
Hello Salam brother paul, please make a video about prophecy of tanakh about end time like Ezekiel 37,38, jews quote this prophecy of tanakh and say God is with us , please make video about this and I want Dr Ali ataie explain this prophecy of tanakh,thank you.
Hold a debate with historians and theologians of Christianity rather than having a Muslim scholar to articulate his own ideas with no criticism and pushback.
I don't necessarily like debates but I tend to agree with you that this discussion by Dr Ataie is missing something. You mentioned "historians and theologians of Christianity". I think if Blogging Theology would have invited a good Christian scholar to participate in this discussion, it would be more beneficial in understanding Saint Paul's theology and ideas. I do try to respect the scholarly knowledge of Dr Ataie. And I'm trying to be open-minded to criticism and questioning that pertains to the New Testament books. I have no desire to be offensive to Muslims but I personally feel that such one-sided discussions will just encourage judgemental attitudes. However I know this is basically a channel for Islam. I need guidance from God and patience to understand better. I appreciate your honesty. God bless and guide us. Respectfully....
Here is my view on Paul and indeed the Gospels, I am in my early 70s, London born and bred in a cultural Anglican home. Dad never went to church, and Mum was hostile to it due to her Catholic background of strict nuns with zero compassion who used to like hitting children. I always had an innate sense of the divine and still do. I went to Sunday school, was and spent 10 years in a church school from age 7 to 17. I got involved in evangelical churches believing the church doctrine, including that when you become a Christian, you receive the Holy Spirit.. I always found the teaching of Jesus totally at odds with Paul's, yet I probably thought the ecclesiastical experts had almost 2000 years of tradition and cultural beliefs and therefore must be right. Part of me thought, well we are English, we know the truth, none of these other religions can be true. I don't necessarily agree with Dr Ali Altie that the Gospels are based on Paul's writings as much of what Jesus taught seems opposite to Paul. Paul is incredibly judgemental of people who aren't saved,and considering Paul talks about Grace, that is why I find him judgemental. Jesus, according to Matthew, made it abundantly clear he didn't like the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. He also made it clear in the Sermon on the Mount that it pleases God. He said that God requires mercy and not sacrifice. He spoke of practical issues like being a peacemaker and not judging because those who do will be judged. He also said to be Holy as the father in heaven is Holy. In essence, we should strike toward the goal. In Arabic, the word used is Jihad.. Jesud never said, look, wait until they crucify me, then simply believe that God took it on me and you can forget strving. If you are not prepared to strive, then it's a cop out, and bear in mind Jesus said God doesn't want a sacrifice. In 2013, I decided that I would follow what Jesus said. I will follow the example. This may not sit too well with some people, but this is my journey. I honestly do not know what to make of the biblical Scriptures. Renowned biblical Professor Bart Erhman is an agnostic who entered bible college as a fundamentalist but now isn't. He studies the scriptures out of historical and not faith. He also does believe that Christ was crucified and looks for historical clues. The earliest Christian writings are Paul's, they predate the Gospels, did Paul meet Jesus? Well, just because Paul said so doesn't mean it's true. The Gospels were not written by contemporaries of Christ. They were anonymously written in Greek, whilst Jesus and his mates spoke Aramaic. Much of Matthew is copied from Luke according to Erhman and others, so even quoting Matt 5, I have no idea if it happened or if writers have embellished the truth for their own ends . Interesting a verse in Philippians supposedly pen by Paul is Phillipians 2v12 work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure This is exactly what I believe. It is probably a generic statement beyond a specific faith even to the point of being one of the pillars of faith in Islam about doing good deeds and charity. Say God, who is ONE God the eternal refuge God was neither born nor gives birth God has no equivalent, no superiors.
Brother you just need take the next step in your evolution and read the quran and biography of the prophet Muhammad. Read about historicity and authenticity of authenticity of the quran and Hadith. May Allah guide you.. We will wait for you to reach the truth❤
@@Steven_Rowe you are on the right path however you should understand the rules of Jesus. In Mark 15:24 He answered, I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” In Mark 5: 17-18 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Every time Jesus speaks, he will speak according to the teaching of the Torah If you are not Jews then it's not fit for you to follow Jesus. Think about it again friend..
@servantfollower9818 I take your point, but also do you not think it is true that what Jesus spoke of was a way of life that was Islamic and that Jesus was indeed technically Muslim. I do however believe that Muhammad was a prophet of God and indeed his Messenger as in the shahada
My hypothesis is Paul knew of the prophet to come (Muhammad pbuh) and believed it was himself. He took the opportunity to become the one prophesied in Isiah.
3 seconds into the video and I noticed. MAJOR assumption by the Dr. He alleges that Paul never met Jesus but there is no proof of this. If you're going to argue for this based on the fact that Paul doesn't explicitly mention that he met the earthly Jesus - then this is an argument from silence. Moreover, even though Paul does not explicitly say that he met the earthly Jesus - he neither denied that he met the earthly Jesus. So, our challenge to Dr. Ataie is to PROVE that Paul did not meet the earthly Jesus. Thank you.
@@Interfaithdialogue76 this video is not based upon that idea, that's just a passing remark which you are choosing to focus on instead of the hard hitting points
I will always make time to watch and listen to br Paul Williams and Dr Ataie . Forgive my expression but this podcast ranks as the best of your endeavours in my heart . May allah reward you both beyond measure and may the entire world reap the benefit of this great scholarly work .
@@BloggingTheologyI am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
@@jmj_2512Quran 3 19 Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allāh is Islām. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allāh, then indeed, Allāh is swift in [taking] account. Revert to Islam.
@@Rarely_Seen001 Does the God's name in Muslim scriptures exclusively refer to God of Abraham. For Jews, God's name is Yahweh; for Christians, it's Holy Trinity; for Hindus, it's the deities in their scriptures; for Buddhists, it's the deity in their scriptures. As per your logic, when Hindus or Buddhists says God bless you, does it mean God of Abraham bless you? How was Yahweh mentioned multiple times in Torah was replaced by the Arab term for God which the author of your scripture only knows to which God is referred. How come Yahweh is not mentioned in the Arab scripture though it is mentioned in Jewish Scripture.
I completely agree with you brother , My studies also come to this point that in this world present Christianity must be named after Pouluzam instead of naming after Juses
Quran Chapter 3, Verse 52: "But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]." Sahih International The questions we should ask about Paul, the apostle, are many. For a start, how did he go from being a Muslim to founding Christianity. Was he not amongst the Apostles/Disciples who declared to Jesus(as) that they were Muslims. If so, was he a true believer in Jesus or was he a hypocrite? These are some of the questions anyone who from the perspective of what is narrated in the CRITERION should pose about the founder of the False Faith.
Outstanding!!!! However, may I split hairs? There was no such thing as "Jew" during that period in history. Saul/Paul was an Edomite by birth. Idumea was the stronghold of the Edomites or Dominion of Edom (as well as the dominion of the Pharisees - Pharisaism was the political or religious movement of the Edomites; ultimately Pharisaism became known as Talmudism, then Judaism). The term "Edom" was contracted and almost slang-ized over hundreds of years to Hooeys or Iueys and other variations. By the 21st Century, the word had become "Jew". The word popped up in the Schofield for the 1st time. "Jew" was never a contraction for Judah (a family line) or Judea (a physical place). Jesus was both a Judahite and a Judean, but never a Jew. Jesus was not an Edomite but an Israelite. In a nutshell, Saul/Paul, the Pharisee of the Pharisees, an Edomite, essentially neutralized ALL of God's Laws (remember, Jesus said he did not come to change one whit of His Father's Laws, but to refresh them) and all of Jesus' teachings. Saul/Paul - MOST IMPORTANTLY - refocused Christianity on an unquantifiable "faith" versus the faithfulness that God demanded and Jesus reinforced.
Excellent podcast! I think Paul preached whatever he thought to be correct, however what he preached was NOT the correct Israelite monotheism. His thinking was a product of Hellenic Judaism, which was there even before Jesus was born. Philo of Alexandria was also preaching Hellenic Judaism. The 18 Apocrypha books of OT have ample Greek influences, those were written down before Christ. That Greek thought influenced the Gospels and Paul's thinking. He most certainly hated James, and was only interested in preaching his mind, and not the actual teachings of Jesus.
I can't guess how genuine or cynical he was in ambition and intent. I do think he expected that Christianity would die out like so many other startup sects, if it were left up to James. I also think he was an entrepreneur/spin artist who "saved" the sect by turning it into something different.
This information is very important & informative! I have already read the Gospel of Barnabas which was the first eye & mind opener on the life of the Prophet Isa & his disciples. I am hoping you will write a book reflecting the information from this video based on Paul. There is nothing better than having this source of reference on your bookshelf!📚❤️
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8;44
"Who would make up a crucified messiah? An ethnically Jewish apocalyptisist and a syncronostic helenistic philosopher named Paul of Tarsus, that's who" 😂😂 what a description 👏 on some level I feel a bit sorry for Paul's mindset he sounded like my terminally ill mother when she was told she only had weeks to live her mini judgement day started and she was in a state of panic when first diagnosed getting rid of her materialistic items etc.. then patience came over her and she was calm in the end alhamdulilah. Paul felt the world was imminently ending and he does sound tormented. Isa upon him be peace was clear about not changing the old law he said you will be called least in the kingdom of heaven if you change even a dot of the mosaic law Paul purported abandoning the law.
@@georgiacap9294 I know and the sad thing is. People as in the muslims don't care to learn but are quick to clap for whatever any muslim says about the Christian faith.
Literal Goosebumps watching this, from the Yeshua - Joshua discovery, to the Fact that Paul Potentially authored the Gospels, super insightful and supported by scripture, i mean we need a story with artwork to really send this home, cause i think thats the only way they will watch and listen, if its told and shown descriptively, it would also make for an amazing timeline showcase.
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Paul was so holy that even the handkerchiefs and aprons that touched him healed people and cast out demons. Acts 19:12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick, and their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them❤❤❤
Wouldn’t you say then that Paul was greater than Jesus because he didn’t even need to heal with touch but rather just people who were touched by his robe were healed or even a handkerchief he left behind was able to heal while Jesus had to be there and did it through touch only. So Paul healed people in his absence even so that sounds like a greater virtue. Also you made a separate comment about a Muslim giving commentary on the Bible but if I remember correctly you’re Protestant. Many Protestants give commentary that is different than the original church denominations so why can a Protestant give exegesis but not a Muslim when both do not have an exegesis history that spans to the early church?
@@NoMan-pp1jq I’m Eastern Orthodox not Protestant. John 14:12-14 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. Jesus promisee His disciples they would do greater things.
@@georgiacap9294 I talked to many Christians but you’re one of the few that actually read your Bible and use scripture so I appreciate that. According to that verse don’t you think it downgrades the miracles of Jesus though if others will be given greater miracles? And I concede the point on Bible commentary then. If you’re Orthodox/Catholic then it makes sense to seek the exegesis from the tradition.
@@NoMan-pp1jq The difference with the miracles Jesus performed and His disciples is that Jesus performed the miracles under His own authority whereas the disciples could only perform the miracles by calling on the name of Jesus, therefore He performs the miracles. I get my exegesis from the Church Fathers, not some modern day evangelist😊
@@georgiacap9294 Jesus himself, peace be upon him, rebukes your claim. He doesn’t do it on his own authority. “I can do nothing on my own initiative or authority. Just as I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just (fair, righteous, unbiased), because I do not seek My own will, but only the will of Him who sent Me.” John 5:30
Respectfully, I don't necessarily see this discussion by Dr Ataie as an "eye opening discovery on the true beginnings of Christianity". No disrespect intended to you. I could be wrong because I don't know it all. And I do respect the scholarly knowledge of Dr Ataie. However I feel this discussion is one-sided with no representation by a good Christian scholar. But I need to respect the decisions of Blogging Theology. Of course it's basically a channel for Islam. Anyhow, I hope you don't mind my response. I'm a simple Christian believer. Peace of God to you and your family
@@kittyyycattt8726 I apologize because I wasn't trying to refute or disrespect Dr. Ataie. I'm just a simple Christian believer so I have no qualifications to "refute the claims". So I could be wrong in my perspective. However I wish Blogging Theology would have invited a good Christian scholar to participate in this discussion. That would have been more fairly balanced. Don't you agree? Anyhow, as a Christian believer, I still believe that the Gospels we have today are reliable and give us the foundational aspects of Christianity, which are the incarnation of Jesus, His crucifixion and His resurrection. I know I need to study more. I appreciate your honesty. Respectfully from Florida USA
With all due Respect the Irony is that Thr Majority if not the Entirety of Christian believing Scholars agree with the Muslim claim & Admit that Yes the Bibles that we have Today are Undeniably altered and Manipulated by Men
Just a comment about the disciples of Jesus pbuh. So in Christianity the disciples all left Jesus pbuh at his most crucial moment and some even denied him. The Qur'an is clear when it says that the disciples were loyal and true believers of God and followers of Jesus pbuh. So the Qur'an actually redeems the disciples just as it redeems and clears the horrible things the bible says about the previous prophets like Nuh pbuh, Lut pbuh and the rest.
Yes, the disciples did fear for their own lives after Jesus was arrested by the Temple guards. John and Peter did follow Jesus after He was arrested and Peter did deny knowing Jesus 3 times, which Jesus had prophesied earlier. John, the youngest and beloved disciple of Jesus followed Jesus to the cross. Peter watched from afar. The Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene, Mary the wife of Clopas and John stood at the cross. After Jesus rose from the tomb and appeared to His disciples they were ecstatic and couldn’t believe their eyes. Those same disciples went to spread the Gospel of Jesus boldly to ALL NATIONS, as commanded by Jesus Himself. They were martyred, not for a belief but for what they ‘experienced’ a risen Christ. The Quran which was written 600 years later has distorted the truth as there were no eyewitnesses to Jesus life, therefore it is unreliable. As for the previous prophets, the Bible does not sugarcoat the killing, adultery etc committed by them.
There's no independent verifiable evidence Noah actually existed, nor that any great flood occurred. The flood story is based on a Sumerian myth and the narrative is utter and complete nonsense. A fictional character from a fictional story.
Paul fought against sin, not men! His fight was heroic and he overcame! Now he is enjoying the reward of his master Jesus Christ the first born from the dead! Jesus defeated sin on the cross, breaking its power, raised up the third day by the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in Him! Made the way of salvation the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit for those who will believe in Christ! Paul gave his life for this salvation! Offering it to men far and wide, not with sword or spear, but by the simple word millions have taken it up! Millions today are still taking it up and finding rest in Jesus Christ. There is salvation in no other! Sin must be defeated or there is no salvation! Where do you stand?
@Jesus_Lied_ReadTheBible You got that from R. Singer's Jewish Joke Book, right? No probs M10, 16 and 24 is coming true before our eyes. As for Revelation, what Moses promised, end of Deut.29, it's all on, and much of it which has already past verifies his prophethood. How about his great prophecy in John; an intercessor after me who will speak according to Deut.18. And another nation in M21:43 whereas the fig tree will not fruit again and the house is left desolate. Btw, why was Jeremiah sent to announce the coming downfall of Jerusalem but you say no prophet came for the 2nd Exile? Was Ha-Shem on a Sabbatical, did He just forget, did He decide to break His Torah? What gives? He sent a prophet to Lot's town, to Nineveh. Still Israel's Jews flout Torah and won't observe a Jubilee even on their 70th from 1948 and you wonder why trouble arises. And the B. Talmud glorifies Yeshua, The Tur, raised above bani Israel, all of us, at Tur Sinai, read Daniel 2. Oh, that's right, Daniel isn't your prophet, ever, either. Come back to God before your Fake Messiah raises his kingdom and claims himself to be God in 2031. The drought will start within a few years.
Paul was one of the false prophet. Many came and died . Prophet Muhammad did 100 of miracles and was most trustworthy. Then he also got revelation holy Quran. Paul did nothing and got nothing. Accept islam. Hell is not joke.
Listened to this on the podcast I was great. We need dr. Ali ataie back even if it just a non academic discussion like the end of year 2022 video. He's such a treat to have along with you Paul
The man that can answer the question has, putting Bert Herman rhetoric to rest. AlhamdulIllah ShukrIllah ShukrRabbi Who steered Dr Ataie to that special study as a Muslim. I am sure he saw the same that his classmates saw but knew it better because of Islam.
بارك الله فيكم... اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين.. اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم.. رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين... لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين..... ....... ...... ........ ........ .........
Interestingly and strange enough paul went to arabia for tree years Dr ali was right he was an ethnically jewish apocalyptic trying to covert gentiles pressured syncretistic preaching to make his name as replacement and fulfillment of the last prophet The Prophet (ﷺ) woh said, "I have been sent and the Hour (is at hand) as these two (fingers). , but indeed saul the variegated serpent who through his lies, he increases the glory of God, as he avowed was the deceiver Isa/jesus AS himself warned about , how someone claim the Apostolic and legitimacy through a vision! even thou in his gospels is a contradicted story in addition of abrogated the Torah law whom jesus sworn upon it, how he cannot be other than one of antichrist figures.
Brilliant discussion. Any Christian who wants to know the truth should seriously consider the content herein and unfortunately the reality of Paul's religion will transpire. It will be shocking no doubt but rest assured it's better to find the truth rather than live a lie
Paul was stoic, I believe stoicism and Christianity goes hand and hand very well. What I am saying that whilst on its own, stoicism is indeed very much a Greek philosophy, when partnered with Christianity, the latter completes the former. Stoicism on its own is not Christian, but the doctrine gives this lifestyle more meaning
I struggled understanding Paul, then it hit me , did our Father make my ancestors eat their own children? Jesus said NO ONE had seen or heard the Father, so how is Yahweh who is translated LORD the majority of the time the Father? Yahweh tells Moses to go up the mountain and die. Then goes up and kills Moses, Micheal is then disputing Satan about the body of Moses. So who is Michael speaking to? Yahweh, or your LORD killed 2 million of my ancestors in the desert taking 40 years for a 3 week trip. Jesus said if you ask your Father for bread He will not give you a snake. The asked Yahweh who sent snakes to kill them. Jesus said all who came before Him are thieves and robbers. That includes Yahweh. Jesus paid a ransom for us, did he pay Himself or the Father? Nope, you pay a criminal a ransom, Yahweh. Paul said an angel gave the law, who gave the law? Yahweh. Who is the Dragon in Revelation? Yahweh Revelation 13: Leopard, Bear, Lion Daniel 7: Lion, Bear, Leopard, Terrifying beast Hosea 13:7-8 Leopard, Lion, bear Who is satan? Yahweh 2 Sam 24 1 Chron 21 Jeremiah said the scribes and prophets told lies, Paul said a veil is over those reading the Old Testament, Jesus said beware of the scribes. If you don’t rightly divide the scriptures you get deceived and a strong delusion. This is why people have issues understanding Revelation. The Church is the Whore riding the Dragon Yahweh. The Son it Man planted the Wheat, behind Him came Yahweh sowing Tares. Jesus called the Pharisees sons of Satan, who was their father? Yahweh. Yahweh was given an inheritance by the Most High, he isn’t the Most High.. Deuteronomy 32 When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel For the Yahwehs portion is his people,Jacob his allotted inheritance. Yahweh is coming back to burn the tares he is binding through trickery to make you blaspheme the Spirit of God. Isaiah 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. LORD/Yahweh links back to BAAL in Hosea. The Father is light no darkness is found in Him. My ancestors got so confused they made the two powers of heaven doctrine but then called it Hersey when Jesus came. You cannot apply evil to a benevolent Spirit. The Holy Spirit didn’t kill EVER, even in ACTs. Satan/Yahweh kills; Please don’t fall for this satanic trick. Blasphemy is unforgivable if it’s until death. Just repent and save yourself from possible harm and rightly divide.
9:31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords instead Allah and Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. Even quran proves Jesus is Lord
A jewish guy who was thinking of converting to Islam but hesistated stated that in Talmud, the Rabbis sent a man to derail Christianity. I think that was Paul as Paul was devout student of the Rabbi
All Gods chosen were righteous men; why God change His strategy with Paul? Could it be God never called him at all? Look here what Jesus said... "I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive. (John 5:43 [AKJV])" I am sure that this one Jesus speaks of here is Paul. Why? Because Paul always big notes himself calling it "MY Gospel". Gee man, did you know your gospel differs from the True Gospel of Christ? Great lecture though.
@@nickmansfield1 I let God be the judge of that nick. I know the Gospel of Jesus, AND the gospel of Paul... and they both speak differently. No Nick, I choose Jesus Gospel, and He says... "My sheep here my voice". It is elementary that 99% of Christendom do not hear His voice, otherwise they would obey Him. Do you obey Jesus Nick? Or is it Paul you obey. Paul never teaches what Jesus taught because he never met Him or the disciples (Acts is a beat-up by Pauls sidekick Luke) If Paul said the earth was square, Luke would believe him. Jesus put James in charge and yet Paul tried to kill him. Says a lot just that. Once a traitor always a traitor. Jesus say to know them by their fruits.... Paul was a liar and admitted it saying if it glorify God its ok. Really? You think God wants lies to glorify Him? Even the Muslims say the same thing. Paul was a boaster Paul was jealous Paul could not heal himself. Gee even I can do that. Paul was a wimp and coward who wanted to be a Jew to save himself from the Romans, and then wants to be a Roman to save himself from the jews. If Jesus sent Paul as he testifies, then there would have been forewarning. All we have is Pauls own testimony and the writings of his sidekick Luke. A great pair huh? Follow you shallow thinking all the way Nick until you meet your maker. Then when He says to you... I dont know you, look for Paul to save you. Good luck.
@@strikemaster1 Dude I wager your knowledge of scripture is such that you would declare the Qur'anic usage of the ancient Hebrew word, muslim, or Rabb, as anachronisms.
@@nickmansfield1 You would loose your money Nick. Your words have much to impress, but your spiritual discernment is lacking. This leads to shallow thinking; the path that many follow. That dont mean a whole lot in the scheme of things because it is the "many" who are those who follow the wrong shallow way posing as Christians, and only a few "remnants" who will find the true way. Your great words bounce off me like a ping pong ball. Nick, is there something I posted above you find incriminating? Or false?
I don't remember exactly when it happened, but at some point in my 20s I realized that Paul had completely hijacked the Jesus narrative and twisted it into his own religion. I realized he was an opportunist extraordinaire. What we think of as Christianity today is in reality Paulism. Sad truth.
what does this even mean? Paul taught what Jesus taught, the apostles met paul and luke was travelling with Paul. Paul went to the kuffar and told them to stop sinning, You make it sound like Paul made himself a king, like mohammed. Paul had no wealth, nor had he slaves or a palace, he was travelling between the churches of the menorah, and in the end he wrote he had to go to rome to die there, thats what happened. He went to the cesar of rome and he was killed by them. You guys dont believe what the bible says but pretend the bible is backing u up. Paul became a slave of Jesus.
@@Jesus_was_God it Paul didn’t taught what Jesus Taught he taught his own believes he used to prosecute Christian’s anyone who follow Jesus was killed by Paul
@Jesus_was_God hahahahahahahahahaahahah
Lol bro your not a monotheist your a paulian polytheist !!
@@Jesus_was_GodJesus peace be upon him, taught people to follow the laws of God revealed to Moses peace be upon him to gain salvation. Paul taught people to believe in the crucifixion/reseruction of Jesus peace be upon him to gain salvation. Jesus (pbuh) taught people to adhere to laws revealed to Moses (pbuh), Paul abolished the laws. All of this is in the bible. Current Christianity is the religion of Paul not what Jesus (pbuh) practiced or preached.
@@Jesus_was_God you need to read and understand the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, then you'll understand the fraud Paul was.
I’m convinced Paul was the equivalent to a CIA agent for the Roman Government
Agreed... he called on them when in fear of the Jews lol... what a freaking wimp.
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Jesus said the following
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
I and the Father are one.”
Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
@roshanjc7752 it's all trivial stuff. You don't need to be a genius to understand islam was created by Satan.
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Saul/Paul proclaimed to are the awaited Arabic prophet !
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From that Jesus Christ speaks.
But he ( Saul ) haven’t much time, by his traveling to Siria !!!
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When he fall from 🐎, and can’t speaks ( like Zakary ) 😂😂😂.
He stole from everywhere, to claimed his prophethood ( from Satan ) 😈.
He stole simply the prophecy of the Islamic prophet, that was awaited !
That are the prophet of all gentiles !!!
I will not be in his skin in the Judgment Day 🔥🔥🔥
Burn, burn, burn
He says they that hang on the wood, is cursed according to the Bible !
But with his suicide, and crucifixion payed he the price for the origin sin.
Origin sin and that Jesus Christ was divine, Jesus Christ never claimed.
To are this prophet of Arabia, he make a prophecy;
He Saul/Paul claimed that Jesus Christ will come down from heaven before the real disciples of Jesus Christ dies !!!!
Heard heard😂😂😂
All disciples died, and Sharlatan Saulus/Paulus the self proclaimed prophet, died too !
Bible; Real Prophet-prophecy comes true !!!
False prophet- false prophecy !!!
Fact !
Saul/Paul was a false Apostle/Prophet !
Or seen you Jesus Christ !???
"Cult of Paul" is the better name for "Christianity" that was invented and has little to nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus himself
What was the teachings of jesus? This scholar takes stuff here and there of the NT to attempt to subvert the Gospel. He has not read all the NT carefully. Only wants to emohasize this and that
Paul was a hellenist philosooher? Crazzy scholarship.
@iamnot1
This isn’t a historically Islamic position to hold. 🤦♂️
Allah couldn't protect his books? A single human destroyed your God?
Jesus said the following
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
I and the Father are one.”
Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Paul created a religion for non-Israelites / gentiles that taught them to be “peaceful” and pay their taxes. Paul made sure that the followers of his religion would not need to follow any of the laws of God so they would instead follow the laws of Caesar.
yeah sure... thats why paul had no slaves or palace like muhammed. Paul was a loyal servant to God and brought the kuffar Gods laws. If u like jewish laws, why u dont keep them? For example Muhammed married his sons wife, he also made muslims marry women whos husbands were still alive. Thats death penalty according to book of moses, you guys cant compete with pauls justice, who went to rome to die for JESUS as a martyr.
@@Jesus_was_God Muhammad (saw) literally was a poor men who had to tie stones to his belly due to hunger and left nothing when he died. What palace men? I think you also received some thorn in your flesh like Paul to claim such an absurd thing. Also in the book of Hebrews 13:17, some say even written by Paul, says slaves have to obey their earthly masters. Muhammad (SAW) freed slaves and gave them rights, what did Paul do for slaves ? Did he save slaves lives like the prophet and Abu Bakr RA did for Bilal RA? who did Paul save ?
@@Jesus_was_God This doesn't have anything to do with Islam, let's not compare religions. My problem with many people in the chat is that they believe just because Paul gave the message, the message is his. It is not, many believe The Law and The Prophets are divinely inspired writings. My question is why doesn't this same treatment apply to Paul? We do not say Isaiah and Jeremiah or Ezekiel are writing out of their own thoughts, but The Word of God. Paul's background is rather irrelevant as well. Paul being knowledgeable about Greco-Roman culture and affairs is good and beneficial as it allows him to relate more to Greek and Roman audiences, but they speak as if Paul's adaptive preaching nature is not favorable. I object, Paul only used Greek philosophers' quotes because it is what his audience, often being Greek are familiar with and when he preached to Jews as in Hebrews, he spoke to them about Christ to a Hebrew perspective
Old but Gold, although I am waiting for when professor Ataie will come back on blogging theology, in any case this video brings back amazing memories.
Do you have the link to the entire video
@@Truth21a619youtube Dr Ali Ataie jesus crucifixion
@@Truth21a619 It's titled something along the lines of "evidence for jesus not being crucified"
They do realize the same standard they use to point to Paul as a charlatan, also qualifies Muhammad as well right?
@@Joe-pc3hs No it doesn't. If you're gonna make a claim, substantiate it.
"He admitted that a messenger of Satan abused him" Subhanallah, that is substantial
All that means is a jinni visited him and pestered him. He is said to have cast many of them out via Christian ruqqia practices. Enough of them probably got annoyed w/ him..
Personally I suspect that it was Paul's own (homo)sexual orientation and constant longing for some action that gave him a thorn in the flesh, not some messenger of Satan!
@moosa86 Actually he prayed to God to remove it three times but God did not remove it.
@Ajmolali82 not surprising. Should have gone to see a shrink! 🤣
@Ajmolali82
You have verses substantiating this?
One we would agree on. Paul was a scam artist whose scam got completely out of hand.
the original trust me bro
@@RandomBananaSalad😂😂😂😂
No different to the tele evangelist scam artists of today
Has anyone seen Archangel Gabriel visit the self proclaimed Arab prophet? Has anyone seen the self proclaimed prophet perform miracles? Did the Torah, Psalms or Gospels prophesy such an Arab prophet from Arabia? What was the religion of the self proclaimed prophet religion at the time of his birth? If God wanted to send a prophet, He would have chosen from the People of the Book and not a person born in a family practicing polytheism. Also as per the scripture believed to be recieved by the self proclaimed prophet, God doesn't know that Christians don't worship Mary, Mother of Jesus as God and mistakes Jesus mother as Moses sister. The following verse is from another holy book sent by God to Prophet Musa or Prophet Moses.
“Yes, this is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: ‘Do not let the prophets and diviners among you deceive you. Do not listen to the dreams you encourage them to have. They are prophesying lies to you in my name. I have not sent them,’ declares the Lord” (Jeremiah 29:8-9).
Before you criticise Paul, Jesus said the following
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
I and the Father are one.”
Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
According to the book of Acts, the early disciples of Jesus were called followers of the “Way”. I can’t help but think how much this correlates to Sirat Al-Mustaqeem (the straight path/way).
Wahb b. Munabbih (d. ~725 CE) is an early authority in ḥadīth who is known for his transmission of Isrā’īlīyāt. In the Tafsīr of al-Baghawī (d. 1122), in the exegesis of Surat Yāsīn, a tradition from Wahb b. Munabbih states that Paul was one of the messengers sent to a community of disbelievers: “’We sent two to them’ (36:14). Wahb said: John and Paul … ‘so We strengthened them with a third’ (36:14) the third messenger was Simon [Peter].” Al-Baghawī identifies these “apostles” as messengers sent by Jesus to the city of Antioch. After the first to were sent, calling the city and its king to abandon their idols, they were imprisoned and flogged. So, Jesus sent Peter to assist them, whereupon he cured a child of his blindness in the company of the king.
*No wonder the first Christ-followers were called "People of The Way". Jesus Himself said, "I am The WAY, The Truth and The Life. No one can come to the Father except through Me."*
Sharia?
@@Dawah_HelpThat's what I was thinking. It was never supposed to be so much about Christ, but instead what he taught, and the rules and path he told the people of Israel to follow. He was trying to re-establish the original sharia of Moses.
The way is "deen" in Arabic. "deen" is usually translated as religion but really it means the way, the path
fantastic video. It takes Paul the Brit to destroy the lies of Paul the Charlatan 'Apostle'
Excellent piece. It would be great if there were a documentary about Paul along this vein, or at least a book by Dr Ali Ataie.
I would also appreciate a book because I'm not Muslim and I'm trying to understand Dr Ataie's perspective regarding Christianity. I respect Dr Ataie's scholarly knowledge but I prefer to listen to various scholars ( both Muslim and Christian ).
Also, I think this discussion was one-sided. Where's the contribution from any Christian scholar? There is none ! ( In this discussion ).
Obviously Paul of Blogging Theology agrees with Dr. Ataie.
No disrespect intended to you. I'm trying to understand Islam better.
Respectfully...
Painful for christians, but true. Professor Hyam Maccoby taught this in London, in the late 90's, but no one would listen
I did a yearly course about the history of islam. A lot was about the period of isa as and the period afterwards. Here I finally understand the creation indoctrination and hijacking of the message of isa as and the rise of paulisme
@@EroSenin1984 Your opinions dont matter, bring proof if u want to impress christians.
@@EroSenin1984 saul , aka "paul" the tax collector and tormentor of early jesusites, was an ass whole
It's not painful because apostle Paul was a good man and he tried to save the teachings of jesus
And I'm saying that as a Muslim
@@theguyver4934 fake muslim
I'm a big fan of your show brother Paul and I follow you on Twitter and on CZcams. This video was amazing and brother Ali Ataie's explanation was simply fantastic!
Jesus said the following
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
I and the Father are one.”
Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Paul the Charlatan ❌
Paul Williams ✅
more like 1) paul williams is a deceiver for islam 2) ali ataie accounting graduate turned muslim cheerleader is confident western muslim that muslims can show off as a smart fellow 3) paul of tarsus had a spiritual encounter with jesus on the road to damascus that 4) muhammad of mecca heard about this and copied by claiming to get revelations from angel gabriel for two decades which sounds really impressive to gullible muslims.
@@pearleunjoo5439 paul obama, paul milei, the list goes on
Paul of Tarsus for real though.
Even in Acts u have the "disciples" casting lots to pick their twelve apostle no room for 13 yet paul calling himself and apostle would make it 13 which contradicts Jesus who said there will be 12 in heaven judging the 12 tribes of Israel, also a side note i believe Daniel 9 a cut off messiah is about James the brother of Jesus, as it says in the last 7 years a messiah will be cut off and the temple destroyed, as we know a messiah can be a high priest too
Christianity is really "The Cult of Paul"... and NOT the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth..
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And Islam is the cult of Satan, Mohamad being one of Satan's minions!
Remember that Mohamad should have been stoned to death for putting the words of Satan into the mouth of HaShem. This is clearly found in The Law of Moses!
@@nickmansfield1 what are the main points of that video.
@iamnot1 you are just a unbeliever and will believe a lie and a false religion over the truth. You will regret being willingly ignored when you could become a new creature in Christ.
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This definitely deserves a part 2 💯
this is probably my favorite episode I really enjoy Br Ali’s stuff
جزاك الله خيرا أخ بول
أعمالك وبقية الدعاة لاتثمن بالذهب
حفظ الله الأستاذ علي عطائي ❤❤❤
أحبكم في الله
Paul The Ultimate "Trust me bro"
very powerful and relevant analysis ! barakAllahu fikum
I think Paul was a minor dajjal.
The cross is a sign of Dhjal, Isa peace be upon him will break the cross when he comes.
@@jackwilliam2965 Nonsense. When any hadith clearly contradicts The Qur'an it must be rejected. However, I am unaware of any hadith which states: "The cross is a sign of Dhjal, Isa peace be upon him will break the cross when he comes."
@@nickmansfield1 Of course during the time of illusions the facts seem unrealistic. We are told Isa peace be upon him will come to end the fitna of Dhjal, the cross is a symbol used by western nations in conflicts and many government symbols including military.
@@jackwilliam2965 In the same hadith? Show us please if it is more than conjecture.
@@nickmansfield1 We are told Isa will destroy the cross
My teacher to whom I remain eternally grateful to was a tad disparaging about Paul, he didn’t go into a lot of detail, but it was clear he held him in some contempt. We weren’t there to learn about Paul, so it’s a notion I’ve held without the will or need to investigate, even though I know he is highly revered amongst ‘Christians’.so this is interesting. We are not alone.
Read my comment above which outlines DOZENS of quotes from scholars & theologians that have realized the same thing. Paul is the real founder of Christianity, who corrupted Jesus’s teachings beyond recognition.
Jesus said the following
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
I and the Father are one.”
Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Jesus is predicted in Isaiah 53: 5-9; 9: 6-7; 42 and 7: 14; Genesis 1: 26, 3: 15. Genesis 22 speaks about the sacrifice of Abraham's son Isaac sheds light on the future event of God the Father sacrificing Jesus.
The Holy Trinity is as follows:
Father is the Mind of God;
Jesus is the Thought of God;
Holy Spirit is the Consciousness (understanding the thought) and Action of God
Jesus prays to Father because Mind is the source of Thought. There is no Mind without a Thought and there is always a Consciousness (understanding the thought) that leads to action.
As per scripture, Jesus is Word of God and Thoughts are represented by Words.
Paul was also a bounty collector of early christians, and now, with a few letters, he has nearly all of them.
This never gets old
Lies like your prophet
@@THESMARTERMAN555 lol okay, zero arguments
@@Adri-242 The white guy who makes these videos always deleted my comments I don't even know what I posted.
@THESMARTERMAN555 No one is deleting your comments, you utter 🤡. CZcams automatically restricts comments of users it registers as spam, users sending many comments, or who are using curse words.
You're not that important, stop accusing others of something you clearly have no knowledge of.
Yes, my dear brothers, my beloved Palestine is the cradle of Christianity and Judaism, and it contains Al-Aqsa, the third holiest place for us Muslims in Palestine. Bethlehem, the cradle of Christ, is a blessed land, and it is the holy land, and it has been our land for tens of thousands of years, and it is the land of the Canaanite Arabs, the original Palestinian people, and they have lived in it since the Islamic conquest in the era. The Umayyad, Abbasid and Ottoman Arabs, Muslims, Christians and Jews are like brothers and neighbors under Palestinian rule to the owners of the land, but the Zionists came and the British occupation brought them to our land as compensation to the Jews for what they did to them Hitler. The question here is that who did the Holocaust, the Germans, why do I, the Palestinian Arab, pay the price? Why not Germany? Why do I, the Muslim, pay the price for crimes? Committed by the Germans and Nazi Europe, fascism is the root of all evil in the world. Our problem is the occupation
What do you think fascism mean?
No occupation. You were the occupiers and the Jews simply take it back. Nobody listens to your BS anymore now we know the truth.
You are part of the ongoing continuation of Adolph Hitler's saga.
You see the land of the Jews to be your own land which it is not.
You find nothing wrong when the Ottoman Empire continuously attacked Christian nations well after the Crusades-- muslims took these lands for the booty they contained, for the people they enslaved, for the new inventions the people created which islam wanted to call their own. And then when the Ottoman Empire fell apart, you saw no need to give the conquered lands back to the original Christian nations' peoples, but you kept them for yourselves.
But now you want Israel.
I say to you, Long live Israel, the land GOD gave to His Chosen people!
May the Jews smash the mosque, defile the koran, and completely destroy the gold-domed building, melting its gold dome down to be remade as candleholders for the new Jewish Temple! And may the people in Israel worship HaShem in the Temple forever!
@@tbishop4961 you've been trolling like the 🤡 that you are, on this channel (& others) for many years now.
It's remarkable how disturbed and empty the lives you and many others have...
Your only meaning comes from trolling believers whilst your own life is devoid of any meaningful substance...
What a sad, sad existence.
@@tbishop4961tho, u could be diff than the guy with the troll account
He was either a skilled agent infiltrator or a truly misguided heretic. Either way, the gig is up 🤷🏽♂️
He was hwsh agent we see what they do to gza
also yall... Paul after Damascus goes and "meditates" in Egypt for some time before he begins his "missionary" journey or whatever... So at that point in time what was going on in Egypt and what stories or religion do we have from Egypt??? We get the story of Horus (crucified between two thieves). Paul's letters and influence were before the completion of any "gospels" we have. So it seems obvious he went to Egypt and prob studied Hellenistic derived Kemetic mysticism (remember Alex the Great has already been through here) and basically used this to influence people. Thats why its important as a Muslim to study and study and study. Seek wisdom and knowledge. LailahaillAllah!
Hello Salam brother paul, please make a video about prophecy of tanakh about end time like Ezekiel 37,38, jews quote this prophecy of tanakh and say God is with us , please make video about this and I want Dr Ali ataie explain this prophecy of tanakh,thank you.
Hold a debate with historians and theologians of Christianity rather than having a Muslim scholar to articulate his own ideas with no criticism and pushback.
All he's doing is quoting scholars and expressing an opinion based on the available information. Not everything is a debate.
I don't necessarily like debates but I tend to agree with you that this discussion by Dr Ataie is missing something. You mentioned "historians and theologians of Christianity". I think if Blogging Theology would have invited a good Christian scholar to participate in this discussion, it would be more beneficial in understanding Saint Paul's theology and ideas.
I do try to respect the scholarly knowledge of Dr Ataie. And I'm trying to be open-minded to criticism and questioning that pertains to the New Testament books.
I have no desire to be offensive to Muslims but I personally feel that such one-sided discussions will just encourage judgemental attitudes. However I know this is basically a channel for Islam.
I need guidance from God and patience to understand better.
I appreciate your honesty.
God bless and guide us. Respectfully....
God bless you Paul and Dr Ali for your sincere efforts to illuminate us about the misinformation in Christianity and Judaism
Jazakallah khair brothers, great explanation
Here is my view on Paul and indeed the Gospels, I am in my early 70s, London born and bred in a cultural Anglican home.
Dad never went to church, and Mum was hostile to it due to her Catholic background of strict nuns with zero compassion who used to like hitting children.
I always had an innate sense of the divine and still do.
I went to Sunday school, was and spent 10 years in a church school from age 7 to 17.
I got involved in evangelical churches believing the church doctrine, including that when you become a Christian, you receive the Holy Spirit..
I always found the teaching of Jesus totally at odds with Paul's, yet I probably thought the ecclesiastical experts had almost 2000 years of tradition and cultural beliefs and therefore must be right.
Part of me thought, well we are English, we know the truth, none of these other religions can be true.
I don't necessarily agree with Dr Ali Altie that the Gospels are based on Paul's writings as much of what Jesus taught seems opposite to Paul.
Paul is incredibly judgemental of people who aren't saved,and considering Paul talks about Grace, that is why I find him judgemental.
Jesus, according to Matthew, made it abundantly clear he didn't like the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. He also made it clear in the Sermon on the Mount that it pleases God.
He said that God requires mercy and not sacrifice. He spoke of practical issues like being a peacemaker and not judging because those who do will be judged.
He also said to be Holy as the father in heaven is Holy.
In essence, we should strike toward the goal. In Arabic, the word used is Jihad..
Jesud never said, look, wait until they crucify me, then simply believe that God took it on me and you can forget strving. If you are not prepared to strive, then it's a cop out, and bear in mind Jesus said God doesn't want a sacrifice.
In 2013, I decided that I would follow what Jesus said. I will follow the example.
This may not sit too well with some people, but this is my journey.
I honestly do not know what to make of the biblical Scriptures.
Renowned biblical Professor Bart Erhman is an agnostic who entered bible college as a fundamentalist but now isn't. He studies the scriptures out of historical and not faith. He also does believe that Christ was crucified and looks for historical clues.
The earliest Christian writings are Paul's, they predate the Gospels, did Paul meet Jesus? Well, just because Paul said so doesn't mean it's true.
The Gospels were not written by contemporaries of Christ. They were anonymously written in Greek, whilst Jesus and his mates spoke Aramaic.
Much of Matthew is copied from Luke according to Erhman and others, so even quoting Matt 5, I have no idea if it happened or if writers have embellished the truth for their own ends .
Interesting a verse in Philippians supposedly pen by Paul is Phillipians 2v12
work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure
This is exactly what I believe. It is probably a generic statement beyond a specific faith even to the point of being one of the pillars of faith in Islam about doing good deeds and charity.
Say God, who is ONE
God the eternal refuge
God was neither born nor gives birth
God has no equivalent, no superiors.
Brother you just need take the next step in your evolution and read the quran and biography of the prophet Muhammad. Read about historicity and authenticity of authenticity of the quran and Hadith. May Allah guide you.. We will wait for you to reach the truth❤
@jamilhk786 the last four lines is from the Qur'an, it is Sura 112 Al Ikhlas the sincerity, I can also recite it in Arabic.
@@Steven_Rowe may Allah guide you.
@@Steven_Rowe you are on the right path however you should understand the rules of Jesus.
In Mark 15:24
He answered, I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
In Mark 5: 17-18
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Every time Jesus speaks, he will speak according to the teaching of the Torah
If you are not Jews then it's not fit for you to follow Jesus. Think about it again friend..
@servantfollower9818 I take your point, but also do you not think it is true that what Jesus spoke of was a way of life that was Islamic and that Jesus was indeed technically Muslim.
I do however believe that Muhammad was a prophet of God and indeed his Messenger as in the shahada
Always educative
Jazakallah khair for your work brother Paul!
My hypothesis is Paul knew of the prophet to come (Muhammad pbuh) and believed it was himself. He took the opportunity to become the one prophesied in Isiah.
Very good analysis
Verse, oh yeah there is none. Your prophets name is not even Muhammad, that is just a title.
Your hypothesis is not grounded in scriptures. Paul's only mission was to derail the message of Jesus and his status as Messiah
@@Truth.is.Bitter exactly. If it was from scripture, Paul would be right.
@@THESMARTERMAN555 Islamic names have meanings. English names carry no weight. They are just phonetics
Bravo. Breathtaking.
❤the doctor Paul and your show 😮
Jazaakumullaahu khairan! Very good lecture
Worth the time .. Thank you 🙏
This is the best video on the topic of Paul I have yet come across.
Salaam Paul. We're anxiously awaiting the future installment from Dr Ataie.
wa alaikum assalam
3 seconds into the video and I noticed. MAJOR assumption by the Dr. He alleges that Paul never met Jesus but there is no proof of this.
If you're going to argue for this based on the fact that Paul doesn't explicitly mention that he met the earthly Jesus - then this is an argument from silence.
Moreover, even though Paul does not explicitly say that he met the earthly Jesus - he neither denied that he met the earthly Jesus.
So, our challenge to Dr. Ataie is to PROVE that Paul did not meet the earthly Jesus. Thank you.
@@Interfaithdialogue76 this video is not based upon that idea, that's just a passing remark which you are choosing to focus on instead of the hard hitting points
Dr Ali Ataie, please write a book on this topic
This was a really good video. I referenced Dr. Ali's perspective passively in a paper I wrote and went over it in my own CZcams videos!
Great presentation by Dr Ali Ataie.❤
I really enjoyed the original episode. I must have watched it 5 times at least.
Great explanation for us layman
Interesting, thought provoking and fascinating.
I will always make time to watch and listen to br Paul Williams and Dr Ataie . Forgive my expression but this podcast ranks as the best of your endeavours in my heart . May allah reward you both beyond measure and may the entire world reap the benefit of this great scholarly work .
Barakallohufiikum ❤❤❤❤
Assalamualaikum brother Paul!
wa alaikum assalam
@@BloggingTheologyI am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
@@jmj_2512and you're a follower of the apostate Paul
@@jmj_2512Quran 3 19 Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allāh is Islām. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allāh, then indeed, Allāh is swift in [taking] account. Revert to Islam.
@@Rarely_Seen001 Does the God's name in Muslim scriptures exclusively refer to God of Abraham. For Jews, God's name is Yahweh; for Christians, it's Holy Trinity; for Hindus, it's the deities in their scriptures; for Buddhists, it's the deity in their scriptures.
As per your logic, when Hindus or Buddhists says God bless you, does it mean God of Abraham bless you?
How was Yahweh mentioned multiple times in Torah was replaced by the Arab term for God which the author of your scripture only knows to which God is referred.
How come Yahweh is not mentioned in the Arab scripture though it is mentioned in Jewish Scripture.
I completely agree with you brother , My studies also come to this point that in this world present Christianity must be named after Pouluzam instead of naming after Juses
Paul do you have the entire video
Yes! I tell people this all the time and they have no clue what I’m talking
Quran Chapter 3, Verse 52:
"But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."
Sahih International
The questions we should ask about Paul, the apostle, are many.
For a start, how did he go from being a Muslim to founding Christianity.
Was he not amongst the Apostles/Disciples who declared to Jesus(as) that they were Muslims.
If so, was he a true believer in Jesus or was he a hypocrite?
These are some of the questions anyone who from the perspective of what is narrated in the CRITERION should pose about the founder of the False Faith.
Excuse me, do you have any idea what Gospel incident The Qur'an is citing therein?
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Fantastic!
May Allah Bless and Reward Both of you in this Life and in the Hereafter.
السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ
I don't need to watch to agree that paul of tarsus is a charlatan.
Outstanding!!!! However, may I split hairs? There was no such thing as "Jew" during that period in history. Saul/Paul was an Edomite by birth. Idumea was the stronghold of the Edomites or Dominion of Edom (as well as the dominion of the Pharisees - Pharisaism was the political or religious movement of the Edomites; ultimately Pharisaism became known as Talmudism, then Judaism). The term "Edom" was contracted and almost slang-ized over hundreds of years to Hooeys or Iueys and other variations. By the 21st Century, the word had become "Jew". The word popped up in the Schofield for the 1st time. "Jew" was never a contraction for Judah (a family line) or Judea (a physical place). Jesus was both a Judahite and a Judean, but never a Jew. Jesus was not an Edomite but an Israelite. In a nutshell, Saul/Paul, the Pharisee of the Pharisees, an Edomite, essentially neutralized ALL of God's Laws (remember, Jesus said he did not come to change one whit of His Father's Laws, but to refresh them) and all of Jesus' teachings. Saul/Paul - MOST IMPORTANTLY - refocused Christianity on an unquantifiable "faith" versus the faithfulness that God demanded and Jesus reinforced.
There deffinitly were “Jews”. The Romans called them Jews.
How incredibly interesting .
Is there a way we can get access to the slides and also the references and sources, jzk.
Keep making such clips of old videos 📹
Excellent podcast! I think Paul preached whatever he thought to be correct, however what he preached was NOT the correct Israelite monotheism. His thinking was a product of Hellenic Judaism, which was there even before Jesus was born. Philo of Alexandria was also preaching Hellenic Judaism. The 18 Apocrypha books of OT have ample Greek influences, those were written down before Christ. That Greek thought influenced the Gospels and Paul's thinking. He most certainly hated James, and was only interested in preaching his mind, and not the actual teachings of Jesus.
I can't guess how genuine or cynical he was in ambition and intent.
I do think he expected that Christianity would die out like so many other startup sects, if it were left up to James.
I also think he was an entrepreneur/spin artist who "saved" the sect by turning it into something different.
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@@nickmansfield1
The Last Temptation of Christ (1988) - Paul's False Testimony Scene
@@hassanmirza2392 Wow, so now Hollywood movies are real in Islam! Can't wait to join your innovating sect. Just try holding me back.
@@nickmansfield1
Paul the Apostate! LOL!
This information is very important & informative! I have already read the Gospel of Barnabas which was the first eye & mind opener on the life of the Prophet Isa & his disciples. I am hoping you will write a book reflecting the information from this video based on Paul. There is nothing better than having this source of reference on your bookshelf!📚❤️
Gospel barnaba was writing by muslims , a lot of historical thinks in this book wasn't during Jesus life but after year 500
This is Hyamm Macolby's conclusion
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8;44
christinity is a myth about hwsh baby
Much thanks, better than always seeing stuff about litteralism of Jesus Christ etc
I'm a Christian from Nagaland, India and ever since I read the Bible (KJV), I've always felt that Paul perverted many of Christ's Teaching
مشاءالله تبارك الله
"Who would make up a crucified messiah? An ethnically Jewish apocalyptisist and a syncronostic helenistic philosopher named Paul of Tarsus, that's who" 😂😂 what a description 👏 on some level I feel a bit sorry for Paul's mindset he sounded like my terminally ill mother when she was told she only had weeks to live her mini judgement day started and she was in a state of panic when first diagnosed getting rid of her materialistic items etc.. then patience came over her and she was calm in the end alhamdulilah. Paul felt the world was imminently ending and he does sound tormented. Isa upon him be peace was clear about not changing the old law he said you will be called least in the kingdom of heaven if you change even a dot of the mosaic law Paul purported abandoning the law.
Thanks
Many thanks
Even though I have studied the Tafseer, Dr Ali taught me a lot more than my old scholar.
Jazzakallahu kheira.
When the two greats meet, the result can only be an amazing discussion
Why would you learn Christianity from non Christians? Should I go to a hindu and a hindu temple to learn about Islam?
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The irony is the guy on the bottom left studied the New Testament at a Muslim college. You can’t make this stuff up.
@@georgiacap9294 I know and the sad thing is. People as in the muslims don't care to learn but are quick to clap for whatever any muslim says about the Christian faith.
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Damn I thought there was a new podcast 😢😢😢
Paul did not witness the CRUCIFICTION so he cooked up the original sin theory❗🐴
Literal Goosebumps watching this, from the Yeshua - Joshua discovery, to the Fact that Paul Potentially authored the Gospels, super insightful and supported by scripture, i mean we need a story with artwork to really send this home, cause i think thats the only way they will watch and listen, if its told and shown descriptively, it would also make for an amazing timeline showcase.
Mr. Williams I'm not sure if you're aware of the content of the ads that are associated with your videos. This one has a Christian dawa ad.
A fan from Canada.
paul the swindler sowing lies harvesting muneez. love the link to the televangelists.
Paul was so holy that even the handkerchiefs and aprons that touched him healed people and cast out demons.
Acts 19:12
so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick, and their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them❤❤❤
Wouldn’t you say then that Paul was greater than Jesus because he didn’t even need to heal with touch but rather just people who were touched by his robe were healed or even a handkerchief he left behind was able to heal while Jesus had to be there and did it through touch only. So Paul healed people in his absence even so that sounds like a greater virtue.
Also you made a separate comment about a Muslim giving commentary on the Bible but if I remember correctly you’re Protestant. Many Protestants give commentary that is different than the original church denominations so why can a Protestant give exegesis but not a Muslim when both do not have an exegesis history that spans to the early church?
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I’m Eastern Orthodox not Protestant.
John 14:12-14
12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Jesus promisee His disciples they would do greater things.
@@georgiacap9294 I talked to many Christians but you’re one of the few that actually read your Bible and use scripture so I appreciate that. According to that verse don’t you think it downgrades the miracles of Jesus though if others will be given greater miracles?
And I concede the point on Bible commentary then. If you’re Orthodox/Catholic then it makes sense to seek the exegesis from the tradition.
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The difference with the miracles Jesus performed and His disciples is that Jesus performed the miracles under His own authority whereas the disciples could only perform the miracles by calling on the name of Jesus, therefore He performs the miracles. I get my exegesis from the Church Fathers, not some modern day evangelist😊
@@georgiacap9294 Jesus himself, peace be upon him, rebukes your claim. He doesn’t do it on his own authority.
“I can do nothing on my own initiative or authority. Just as I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just (fair, righteous, unbiased), because I do not seek My own will, but only the will of Him who sent Me.” John 5:30
So important
What video is this taken from, please?
Demons feard Paul.....Do they fear you?
Source: the lying Paul. A liar said something, it must be true!
@@agp4580 All the truths cited of him are exceedingly greater than the occasional flaw in his theology.
@@nickmansfield1 There are no truths cited from him, the guy is proven to be a liar.
@@agp4580 What lie? Talk is cheap and opinions need to be substantiated. Do you go around saying everyone you disagree with is a liar?
@@nickmansfield1 Thanks for proving you didn't watch the video
Thank you both for This Eye Opening discovery on the True Beginings of Christianty
Alhamdulillah for ISLAM ☝️🏴🏳️
Respectfully, I don't necessarily see this discussion by Dr Ataie as an "eye opening discovery on the true beginnings of Christianity".
No disrespect intended to you. I could be wrong because I don't know it all. And I do respect the scholarly knowledge of Dr Ataie. However I feel this discussion is one-sided with no representation by a good Christian scholar.
But I need to respect the decisions of Blogging Theology. Of course it's basically a channel for Islam.
Anyhow, I hope you don't mind my response. I'm a simple Christian believer.
Peace of God to you and your family
@@johnbrzykcy3076 refute the Claims not the Individual
@@kittyyycattt8726 I apologize because I wasn't trying to refute or disrespect Dr. Ataie.
I'm just a simple Christian believer so I have no qualifications to "refute the claims".
So I could be wrong in my perspective. However I wish Blogging Theology would have invited a good Christian scholar to participate in this discussion. That would have been more fairly balanced. Don't you agree?
Anyhow, as a Christian believer, I still believe that the Gospels we have today are reliable and give us the foundational aspects of Christianity, which are the incarnation of Jesus, His crucifixion and His resurrection.
I know I need to study more. I appreciate your honesty.
Respectfully from Florida USA
With all due Respect the Irony is that Thr Majority if not the Entirety of Christian believing Scholars agree with the Muslim claim & Admit that Yes the Bibles that we have Today are Undeniably altered and Manipulated by Men
Just a comment about the disciples of Jesus pbuh. So in Christianity the disciples all left Jesus pbuh at his most crucial moment and some even denied him. The Qur'an is clear when it says that the disciples were loyal and true believers of God and followers of Jesus pbuh. So the Qur'an actually redeems the disciples just as it redeems and clears the horrible things the bible says about the previous prophets like Nuh pbuh, Lut pbuh and the rest.
Yes, the disciples did fear for their own lives after Jesus was arrested by the Temple guards. John and Peter did follow Jesus after He was arrested and Peter did deny knowing Jesus 3 times, which Jesus had prophesied earlier. John, the youngest and beloved disciple of Jesus followed Jesus to the cross. Peter watched from afar. The Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene, Mary the wife of Clopas and John stood at the cross. After Jesus rose from the tomb and appeared to His disciples they were ecstatic and couldn’t believe their eyes. Those same disciples went to spread the Gospel of Jesus boldly to ALL NATIONS, as commanded by Jesus Himself. They were martyred, not for a belief but for what they ‘experienced’ a risen Christ.
The Quran which was written 600 years later has distorted the truth as there were no eyewitnesses to Jesus life, therefore it is unreliable.
As for the previous prophets, the Bible does not sugarcoat the killing, adultery etc committed by them.
They were often martyred and ndured suffering for their faith and thus Allah speaks of them whereas you conjecture with different hadiths.
There's no independent verifiable evidence Noah actually existed, nor that any great flood occurred. The flood story is based on a Sumerian myth and the narrative is utter and complete nonsense. A fictional character from a fictional story.
Paul fought against sin, not men! His fight was heroic and he overcame! Now he is enjoying the reward of his master Jesus Christ the first born from the dead! Jesus defeated sin on the cross, breaking its power, raised up the third day by the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in Him! Made the way of salvation the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit for those who will believe in Christ! Paul gave his life for this salvation! Offering it to men far and wide, not with sword or spear, but by the simple word millions have taken it up! Millions today are still taking it up and finding rest in Jesus Christ.
There is salvation in no other! Sin must be defeated or there is no salvation!
Where do you stand?
@Jesus_Lied_ReadTheBible Jesus didn't lie, the bible authors that attributed things to him did
Christianity is the fastest declining religion world-wide for a reason. Keep your blind faith to yourself
@Jesus_Lied_ReadTheBible You got that from R. Singer's Jewish Joke Book, right? No probs M10, 16 and 24 is coming true before our eyes. As for Revelation, what Moses promised, end of Deut.29, it's all on, and much of it which has already past verifies his prophethood. How about his great prophecy in John; an intercessor after me who will speak according to Deut.18. And another nation in M21:43 whereas the fig tree will not fruit again and the house is left desolate. Btw, why was Jeremiah sent to announce the coming downfall of Jerusalem but you say no prophet came for the 2nd Exile? Was Ha-Shem on a Sabbatical, did He just forget, did He decide to break His Torah? What gives? He sent a prophet to Lot's town, to Nineveh. Still Israel's Jews flout Torah and won't observe a Jubilee even on their 70th from 1948 and you wonder why trouble arises. And the B. Talmud glorifies Yeshua, The Tur, raised above bani Israel, all of us, at Tur Sinai, read Daniel 2. Oh, that's right, Daniel isn't your prophet, ever, either. Come back to God before your Fake Messiah raises his kingdom and claims himself to be God in 2031. The drought will start within a few years.
@Jesus_Lied_ReadTheBible Please explain! Maybe you are confused and don't understand the scriptures
Paul was one of the false prophet. Many came and died .
Prophet Muhammad did 100 of miracles and was most trustworthy. Then he also got revelation holy Quran.
Paul did nothing and got nothing.
Accept islam. Hell is not joke.
Bullshit
You worship dionysius and platos triad
Truth hurting?
Thanks!
Many thanks!
Listened to this on the podcast I was great. We need dr. Ali ataie back even if it just a non academic discussion like the end of year 2022 video. He's such a treat to have along with you Paul
Paul was the disguised Wolf among the sheeps
The man that can answer the question has, putting Bert Herman rhetoric to rest. AlhamdulIllah ShukrIllah ShukrRabbi Who steered Dr Ataie to that special study as a Muslim. I am sure he saw the same that his classmates saw but knew it better because of Islam.
بارك الله فيكم...
اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين..
اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم..
رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين...
لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين.....
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Paul succeeded in leading Christians away from Jesus's path, while Mirza Qadiani failed to lead Muslims away from the path of Prophet Muhammad.
Interestingly and strange enough paul went to arabia for tree years Dr ali was right he was an ethnically jewish apocalyptic trying to covert gentiles pressured syncretistic preaching to make his name as replacement and fulfillment of the last prophet The Prophet (ﷺ) woh said, "I have been sent and the Hour (is at hand) as these two (fingers). , but indeed saul the variegated serpent who through his lies, he increases the glory of God, as he avowed was the deceiver Isa/jesus AS himself warned about , how someone claim the Apostolic and legitimacy through a vision! even thou in his gospels is a contradicted story in addition of abrogated the Torah law whom jesus sworn upon it, how he cannot be other than one of antichrist figures.
Brilliant discussion. Any Christian who wants to know the truth should seriously consider the content herein and unfortunately the reality of Paul's religion will transpire. It will be shocking no doubt but rest assured it's better to find the truth rather than live a lie
Paul was stoic, I believe stoicism and Christianity goes hand and hand very well. What I am saying that whilst on its own, stoicism is indeed very much a Greek philosophy, when partnered with Christianity, the latter completes the former. Stoicism on its own is not Christian, but the doctrine gives this lifestyle more meaning
I struggled understanding Paul, then it hit me , did our Father make my ancestors eat their own children? Jesus said NO ONE had seen or heard the Father, so how is Yahweh who is translated LORD the majority of the time the Father?
Yahweh tells Moses to go up the mountain and die. Then goes up and kills Moses, Micheal is then disputing Satan about the body of Moses. So who is Michael speaking to?
Yahweh, or your LORD killed 2 million of my ancestors in the desert taking 40 years for a 3 week trip. Jesus said if you ask your Father for bread He will not give you a snake. The asked Yahweh who sent snakes to kill them.
Jesus said all who came before Him are thieves and robbers. That includes Yahweh. Jesus paid a ransom for us, did he pay Himself or the Father? Nope, you pay a criminal a ransom, Yahweh. Paul said an angel gave the law, who gave the law? Yahweh.
Who is the Dragon in Revelation? Yahweh
Revelation 13: Leopard, Bear, Lion
Daniel 7: Lion, Bear, Leopard, Terrifying beast
Hosea 13:7-8 Leopard, Lion, bear
Who is satan? Yahweh
2 Sam 24
1 Chron 21
Jeremiah said the scribes and prophets told lies, Paul said a veil is over those reading the Old Testament, Jesus said beware of the scribes. If you don’t rightly divide the scriptures you get deceived and a strong delusion. This is why people have issues understanding Revelation.
The Church is the Whore riding the Dragon Yahweh.
The Son it Man planted the Wheat, behind Him came Yahweh sowing Tares. Jesus called the Pharisees sons of Satan, who was their father? Yahweh.
Yahweh was given an inheritance by the Most High, he isn’t the Most High..
Deuteronomy 32
When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel
For the Yahwehs portion is his people,Jacob his allotted inheritance.
Yahweh is coming back to burn the tares he is binding through trickery to make you blaspheme the Spirit of God.
Isaiah 13:5
They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
LORD/Yahweh links back to BAAL in Hosea.
The Father is light no darkness is found in Him. My ancestors got so confused they made the two powers of heaven doctrine but then called it Hersey when Jesus came.
You cannot apply evil to a benevolent Spirit. The Holy Spirit didn’t kill EVER, even in ACTs. Satan/Yahweh kills; Please don’t fall for this satanic trick. Blasphemy is unforgivable if it’s until death. Just repent and save yourself from possible harm and rightly divide.
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9:31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords instead Allah and Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.
Even quran proves Jesus is Lord
A jewish guy who was thinking of converting to Islam but hesistated stated that in Talmud, the Rabbis sent a man to derail Christianity. I think that was Paul as Paul was devout student of the Rabbi
Paul was a test that most Christians failed: czcams.com/video/VUDRqlDZb-Q/video.html
All Gods chosen were righteous men; why God change His strategy with Paul? Could it be God never called him at all? Look here what Jesus said...
"I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive. (John 5:43 [AKJV])" I am sure that this one Jesus speaks of here is Paul. Why? Because Paul always big notes himself calling it "MY Gospel". Gee man, did you know your gospel differs from the True Gospel of Christ? Great lecture though.
Peter says to Yeshua that he is an unworthy sinner, indeed he betrayed Yeshua himself, perhaps you don't know The Gosepl.
@@nickmansfield1 I let God be the judge of that nick. I know the Gospel of Jesus, AND the gospel of Paul... and they both speak differently. No Nick, I choose Jesus Gospel, and He says... "My sheep here my voice". It is elementary that 99% of Christendom do not hear His voice, otherwise they would obey Him. Do you obey Jesus Nick? Or is it Paul you obey. Paul never teaches what Jesus taught because he never met Him or the disciples (Acts is a beat-up by Pauls sidekick Luke) If Paul said the earth was square, Luke would believe him. Jesus put James in charge and yet Paul tried to kill him. Says a lot just that. Once a traitor always a traitor. Jesus say to know them by their fruits....
Paul was a liar and admitted it saying if it glorify God its ok. Really? You think God wants lies to glorify Him? Even the Muslims say the same thing.
Paul was a boaster
Paul was jealous
Paul could not heal himself. Gee even I can do that.
Paul was a wimp and coward who wanted to be a Jew to save himself from the Romans, and then wants to be a Roman to save himself from the jews.
If Jesus sent Paul as he testifies, then there would have been forewarning. All we have is Pauls own testimony and the writings of his sidekick Luke. A great pair huh?
Follow you shallow thinking all the way Nick until you meet your maker. Then when He says to you... I dont know you, look for Paul to save you. Good luck.
@@strikemaster1 Dude I wager your knowledge of scripture is such that you would declare the Qur'anic usage of the ancient Hebrew word, muslim, or Rabb, as anachronisms.
@@nickmansfield1 You would loose your money Nick. Your words have much to impress, but your spiritual discernment is lacking. This leads to shallow thinking; the path that many follow. That dont mean a whole lot in the scheme of things because it is the "many" who are those who follow the wrong shallow way posing as Christians, and only a few "remnants" who will find the true way. Your great words bounce off me like a ping pong ball. Nick, is there something I posted above you find incriminating? Or false?
blaming innocent man for cristianity tragedy But isnt that what church is good at !
Sincere Christians take heed
There is no reason for a Christian to accept Muhammad word over Paul's. Muslims are not on higher moral ground to judge Paul.