Eureka Single Dose In Depth
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Review, Teardown, and Repair of a Eureka Mignon Oro Single Dose #CoffeeGrinder. Warning: I ran into 3 snags that could influence your buying decision.
First, I consider its grind performance, ease of use, and coffee flavor -- with both espresso and pour-over -- comparing it head to head with the #Specialita and the #NicheZero. Then I perform a teardown and evaluate the component quality and mechanical design. There were a few unpleasant surprises, but I was able to repair each of them.
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Dear Thomas,
first of all, thank you for the video. We really appreciate your feedback and hints since these may allow us to fine tune our products.
With this comment, we are happy to provide you and the community with our point of view on each relevant point mentioned in your review. Before going into details, we would like clarify that Mignon Single Dose has been designed to satisfy a specific type of use and need, that is Single Dosing. Considering this purpose, we believe that the most relevant aspect to be considered is the retention. In this regard, per your direct experience and review, we are pleased to underline that the results in terms of retention are extremely positive and (as you mention in the video) superior than other single dose grinders in the market. In particular, your result (around 0.2 grams) is very much in line with our test reporting an exchange retention below 0.3 grams.
In addition, we would like to point out that low retention comes together with further relevant advantages, as follows:
1) Absence of grind static and anti-static dosing cup;
2) Very good taste and extraction in espresso (and also in filter coffee), due to the high grind consistency of 65mm flat burrs;
3) Eureka engine (AC motor) which provides higher performances and durability compared to other type of motor (i.e. DC motor).
Here below our feedback point by point:
• Concerning the Mignon Single Dose Blow Up Cleaning (bellow), being made of rubber and thus not rigid, it may be a bit hard to be placed on the hopper. Nevetheless, once it is perfectly placed, this is stable enough to be used even with energic blows (according to our field tests). BTW, thanks to your review, in order to simplify the assembly process, we are going to create a short video sowing all the steps and cares of this process.
• Referring to the wooden lid, we would like to point out that the second production batch has been improved to create a better matching between the wooden lid and the hopper. Nevertheless, please take into consideration that, being made of refined wood, the lid is more fragile than steel or aluminum element. Just to make a comparison: when you buy something valuable such as a cristal goblet you are aware that this needs to be handled differently compared to a plastic glass (that is just an example 😊). Moreover, due to the “tricky” fit wit the hopper, we recommend to use it mainly with the blow up (rubber bellow).
• About the hopper metallic tab, taking care of you feedback, we decided to add an additional cycle of polishing to improve both the aestethic and the usability.
Taking into account the ease of opening/closing, please consider that our engineers specifically searched for this bit of resistance to make the tab completely fitting to the opening and thus reduce the vibrations/noise.
• Concerning the noise, please allow us to say that the measuring method you have been using in the review is not really reliable. Moreover, it looks a bit unfair to compare the noise made by grinders with different motors specifications and performances. Nevertheless, like we did in the past for several of our grinders (such as Mignon Specialità, Mignon Silenzio, Atom Specialty…), we are going to evaluate the possibility to make a test with an external laboratory to calculate the noise level with the most appropriate tools and procedures.
• Regarding the burrs regulation “issue”, it is important to mention that the regulation system of Mignon Single Dose is exactly the same of other Mignon, such as Mignon Specialità. In all our grinders, the spring is set to a certain preload level to provide the most appropriate feeling and usability while the user changes the grind size and it is not really clear to us which was the reason to modify the stroke of the spring.
In this regard, we warmly suggest to not tamper with it as this may lead to the loss of the warranty. Generally, in case of supposed technical issue, we suggest to contact your vendor or us (info@eureka.co.it) to receive the proper suppport.
• The single dose bean hopper is fitting to all the other Mignon models. Unfortunately, it turned out that the first produced units are a bit too loose compared to the required standard. We want to reassure you that the standard hopper will be perfectly stable.
A small advice to increase the stability of the hopper is also tighting the safety screw in the back.
To conclude, as mentioned above, Mignon Single Dose should be evaluated as a niche grinder, for a specific need. On one hand, it is not fair to compare it with “regular use” grinder like Mignon Specailità which has a completely different use (despite Mignon Specialità features a very low retention being a regular grinder). On the other hand, as you correctly mentioned, we can affirm that Mignon single Dose refers mainly to quite skilled single dose users, who look for professional performances and the possible lowest retention combine with unique desing and materials.
For any clarification or question, please do not hesitate to get back to us.
We take the chance to wish you all a fantastic 2022, full of peace and joy.
Eureka Team
Wonderful of you to react to an independent review! I'd like to add some thoughts here, since i had some of the same experiences as described in the video.
The grinder does give me excellent tasting coffee, but small annoying things are clouding the experience.
First, you did not mention the motor vibration being a problem in the long run, can you react to that too?
Second, the blow up system is not a tight fit on my machine, i had the same experience as him in the video. (Although i can easily put it back, its loose.)
Third and most important, my machine always has 0.5-1.0 grams retained, thanks to the de-clumper fork clogging the exit chute. This also makes the blow up useless, because it cant generate enough pressure, to blow through the clogged grounds. The air escapes through the closed metal hopper tab. Any pointers to prevent this? Cleaning doesnt help, first grinding clogs it again.
Also on my machine the hopper screw just falls out of its place, since its not the right size. That's pretty negligent product quality from a respectable company. Like the zip-ties mentioned in the video, but i guess i can live with those.
Would be great to hear your insights!
I’m having the same retention issue and the blow up is not helping. Would love to get an answer from Eureka on this.
Hello, it is very appreciated to see that the manufacturer responds to a serious test. Good for you.
And if you have a few minutes, maybe you could also give your opinion about the questions I have (gain to go from 50 to 65mm, is there really a difference in cup for espressi) and hesitation in single dose and XL. Thank you. here is how I phrased it:
"Good day and very nice review, thank you very much. I have two configurations. The one at home: Niche Zero and Rocket Appartamento. The work side: Eureka Mignon MCI (with 50mm burrs) and the equivalent of a Lelit PL41 T Plus PID. I intend to change the grinder at work, so I'll change the Mignon MCI for a Mignon but I'm hesitating between the XL and the Single dosing. The XL would allow me to use the hopper and for the Single Dosing one finds on the net hoppers with bellows made with 3D printer whose users seem satisfied. In short, I hesitate between the two. But before an advice on this choice, another question: will the espressi be really better with 65mm burrs compared to 50mm burrs? Thank you for your help.
Happy new year 2022 !"
Thank you
- I agree the bellows is fine, and doesn't seem to pop off once put in place (from my brief experience with it so far).
- The Hopper shut off gate is annoying to use though. The bellows doesn't work unless it's closed since air will escape through there.
- The bellows / blow up system doesn't seem to work anyway though, because the design of the clump crusher or something else seems to cause too much of an obstruction, even with a small amount of coffee put through, it clogs up and the bellows doesn't have enough force to break through. Air from the bellows escapes around the neck / collar area where it installs into the grinder.
- The Specialita seemed more quiet and overall higher quality in ways. This grinder does grind a lot faster, and has lower retention than the Specialita, but it seems silly to release it comes with a bellows if the bellows doesn't work with it.
@Netheril, the bolt "securing" the hopper also closes a hole in the rubber sealing the hopper. A lot of air is coming out there when using the bellow. Maybe that helps reducing the retention?
This channel was a good subscribe. So many other coffee youtubers are trying to be James Hoffman and failing at it. You're doing your own thing: dispensing quality content, respecting your viewers' time, and providing a perspective/voice that is actually unique. Hope you find success in the game - you deserve it.
Thank you, and welcome to the community
Welcome! TLDR: it's excellent, but it's got serious issues. Still, I was able to repair it. Happy Christmas!!
If it wasn't for this video, I would have returned my Eureka Mignon Single Dose. I had to do the trick with the spring, and plan to check burr alignment in a couple of weeks. Thank you so much for doing this. The machine is now working as I would expect.
My pleasure, and good luck with it :)
how strong did you have to make the spring adjustment? Many turns from the initail position or only just a few? I did mine yesterday but there is still muddy leftover as before. :D
@@itomljenovic87 it's a year now from the comment, but anyway did you succeed to tighten the spring to a level where no fines are produced? I am now in the same doubts since I did some adjustment but I also have some fines. Thanks
Thanks for your review. I took delivery of mine 6 days ago, from Clive, after having had one on back-order from WWL for 2 months... Your experience is a bit different than mine, leading me to believe there is some variance in their build process. My bellows provides a tight fit to the acrylic hopper! It takes more than a little push to remove it. The hopper "open/close tab" is polished on both sides and seems well-finished. Note: this is the US model and highly-polished chrome.
Superb review! Answered every question I had and more. The discovery about motor stability when tilted was genius.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I appreciate your thoroughly elaborated language. It's a pleasure to listen.
Glad to hear it :)
Gotta love this chill, slightly sarcastic kind of video.
Thanks. "slightly" sarcastic is the key :)
I was waiting for this review and I’m going with Niche Zero. Thank you.
Good choice!
Fantastic quality content as usual.
Very informative and really helps with taking buying decisions.
This channel is a hidden gem.💎
I wish you all success.
Greetings from Tripoli, Libya 😊
Why thank you very much. Back at ya from Dublin, IE.
What a brilliantly detailed review. And the best sort of criticism - you recommend and show how to fix the problems!
Thank you. One does one's best :)
“Oh, my, god… it’s like a miracle!” 😂
I’ve been waiting for this review!! 🙏🏻
PS I’ve ordered the Oro single dose in black. Going with this over the niche and others. 1st choice was option-0, but decided I’m not paying $1700+ for a coffee grinder. I almost did before I came to my senses.
Good call. You don't want to get married to something that might not look so impressive in a year or two :)
@@wiredgourmet Mother-in-law is that you? Nice review!
@@kmo9790 I lol'd :)
Great video, and great content. I feel this was an honest review, hopefully they take it on board, because i am thinking of buying a new grinder
So far, I am very happy with my Oro Single dose (2023). Frankly, I have no complain about it and I am not paid by Eureka. It’s better than my Vario and for my use, I prefer it to the Eureka atom (too much retention and much longer grinding time). Retention is about 0.1/0.2 grams and the grinding is homogeneous and exceptional, delivering exceptional espressi with my Sage Dual Boiler.
Well done absolutely wonderful coverage for this unit.. And big thumbs up for the Pfeil chisels 😍👍🏼
Thank you very much! Quality tools are a real comfort, aren't they :)
@@wiredgourmet yes indeed they are.. And these sexy instruments are simply the best 👍🏼👍🏼
Great review, I just received mine yesterday (first grinder). I mainly use it for espresso and for that it's great. Personally I didn't have a problem with the fit of the lid and the bellows, I will check the sound levels later today.
Edit: Sound without beans: 60dB, with beans: 78dB (also recorded with a smartphone) note this is an EU-model.
Thanks for the info, and glad yours is better behaved than mine. Circle back and let us know how it's going after you two get acquainted. Oh, and feel the vibration in the adjustment knob when it's running. Mine feels like an orbital sander, lol.
Excellent review, far more in-depth than I expected, thanks for the insights!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the in-depth review, makes me reconsider my oro mignon single dose preorder (especially the noise) but I'm sure there will be 3d mods available once it's in the hands of the majority. Might go back to the specialita if other reviewers reach the same conclusion as you did.
Good call!
Great review - am looking to get the single dose and a Flair 58 early next year. To get a flat burr grinder together with my hand grinder. I think I can live well with the few issues - how ever really cool you made so detailed review - could have been a frustrating encounter for sure.
Thanks. Good luck with it :)
This is James Hoffmann level of epic review…..seriously…I LOVE IT so much! Thank you!!!
It’s a pity, I was so close to place a pre-order just to try my luck, but after this video, I think I will stick to my Baratza Sette 270wi for a little longer until they have the 2nd generation of this ready and fixing all the issues….really appreciated your review!
Glad you enjoyed it, and welcome to the community :)
Thank yo ufor the thorough reiew that we have all been waiting on! Eureka should hire you as a consultant. You have also confirmed the Niche is a better choice for this particular subscriber.
Wow, thank you! And welcome to the community.
You are right about the component quality, but consider this: a home grinder might run about 150g per day, let's say. With the Niche's grind speed, that means it's working about 16 hours per year! It's actually overbuilt, lol. It will not wear out, except in commercial use. The Zero is miles better in fit and finish, mechanical design, and ease of use. Oh, and the zip ties are on all the Mignon caps; that's just something Eureka gets away with, like the wood screws.
@@tabooretka These zip ties are also present in My Oro XL so they were designed this way (not rushed). I had to replace my Oro XL because of chrome chirps on the front panel. The second one also has some QC issues. It's just how lousy is the Eureka's QC procedure or rather lack of QC at all.
Just got mine a week ago and would like to add in my unit as a reference.
1) My unit actually did come with 4-5 rotations from the touch point to the knob "getting loose". I'm not sure if that's enough for filter, but certainly more range than the one in the video. Ill prob give it a shot and see If I have to mod it for filter after my "espresso phase" tones down.
2) My hopper gate did come with some sharp burrs as well. I just filed the edge for a few seconds, fixed it pretty quickly, but definitely should be addressed from the factory.
Thanks for posting. If you can go 4 rotations before it gets noticeably loose, you should be OK for drip. If you see Eureka's comment here, they plan to start polishing the gate :)
"Superb" is all I needed to hear!!! I heard noting else that mattered. Mille grazie!! Thats all that counts for me!! I'm going to order right after typing!! Ciao!!
Good luck with it :)
Have you considered a video comparing pressurized vs. unpressurized portafilters? This is one of those things that is hard for me to gauge if there is actually a huge difference between the two or if that is one of those just sort of "coffee truisms" that is just held like the filter rinsing nonsense. I've really been appreciating your content by the way! Thank you for offering a unique and insightful voice amidst all the noise.
Thanks very much. Yes, I've been thinking about trying some inexpensive auto makers, with pressurized baskets. Seems like the kind of conventional "wisdom" I ought to test :)
I have a mildly pressurized portafilter as well as an unpressurized. I grind a little finer for the unpressurized to get the same flow rate, and the coffee output then has a similar taste but is lacking acid tastes that I really dislike in coffee from my days of attempting to drink office drip coffee. To put it another way, if you get an unpressurized portafilter working great, when you switch to a pressurized you will have to grind a bit coarser to get, at best, a similar, but slightly inferior result. Why would you want to do that?
I should add that I am using a DeLonghi that can generate pressures upto about 15 bar if the flow rate is too low (which it measures). If the flow rate is good enough at 9 bar, then that is the pressure it generates. If it cannot get much flow rate at 15 bar it gives up and stops. I would imagine that a traditional machine with an E61 head and a pump that only generates 9-10 bar with a pressure release would not perform well (extraction rate too slow) with a pressurized portafilter, but I have not tried it.
Great video, so I’ve experienced a Eureka Oro XL that thing was a beast sent it back due to some wobbling the machine wasn’t braced properly, now have a niche that only a week old, was gonna snag on of these to compare which is better, seems like you saved me the trouble, detailed, technical, and honest. Thanks!
Thanks for that. Using the Niche is definitely a better experience; flavor wise, well, that's 100% personal. Enjoy it :)
havent watch it yet. im so excited what u have to say. love ur channel❤️
Nice of you to say :)
Thanks for your indepth review
My pleasure!
Thx so much for all your work!
My pleasure!
Excellent technical review!
Thanks :)
The greatest review thanks
Thanks :)
Good job on the review and teardown. Subbed
Welcome to the community :)
Another great video and I see your Moka pot videos are getting a decent amount of mentions on The Real Sprometheus channel.
Rightfully so too
Thanks, man!
I bought this in March and these issues are all addressed. No vibration nor any loud or unusual noise to be honest. The hopper is stable too.
I have been testing a newer one and will post a video on it in about a week's time.
Mine broke after 2 months of minimal use; the motor failure!! Wtf EUREKA😡😡
Very in-depth, good video!
Glad you liked it!
Really well done video in my thanks for the information. It is interesting, as I already use a quality hand grinder and would need a very good reason to upgrade to a machine. I do suspect that people will always use a Niche grinder for overall quality and use
My pleasure, and thanks for the encouraging words. I think a quality hand grinder is a fine choice, btw :)
Great review! I had big problems with a large amount of "mud" showing up when doing my V60 pourover, made me really dissapointed! I did the spring adjustment and will monitor the outcome. Looking at the initial test, it really helped a lot! THANK YOU! :)
You're welcome. Circle back if the issue persists.
@@wiredgourmet Just did two test pourovers and I still have the problem with a lot of vatiability. I still keep getting around the same amout of "mud" as you show in your starting scenes. Anything else that might be done? Or maybe I didn't tighten enough? Any input is higly welcome :) I am grinding 4 full circles from the "zero" position, can it be I went too far so it's too loose? Thank you in advance!
Great review!
Thanks!
Great content as always :) Have two ideas what you could do next: opinion piece on temperature management with Cafelat Robot and the effect of placing a paper filter below the metal screen and above the coffee puck -- maybe with some tips on how to improve :D I've been forming my own opinion on these topics, but am not sure if my conclusions are also confirmed by others.
I like it!
I think i am going to keep my old "Ascaso I-Steel i-1" till the end, bought 10 years ago (180€ new...), works always great with its 54mm flat burrs !
This grinder has potential. Personally I love the look over any other grinder, and with some changes this grinder could be great.
1) They need to make the hopper not have that notch on the left so air doesnt escape the hopper when using the bellows. It makes the bellows almost useless. Also the set screw on the back which is supposed to hold the hopper in, allows air to escape and blasts the screw out. My screw doesnt even fasten to hold the hopper in, it just floats around.
That portion should all be air tight in order to achieve maximum pressure when using bellows.
2) Make the declumper thinner, or different design to prevent clogging after each use.
2) Changethe way the front cover is attached or add a foam gasket seal with rubber washers housing the screw. The current design allows for motor vibration to travel through the housing via the philips screw.
Better motor dampening, using rubber where screws meet the motor, or body would ensure a quieter operation.
Just my 2 cents, afterall this is their first single dose machine, I expect their second one to be far superior and give the niche a better run for the money on the quality side of things.
I agree, and I also hope they really get it right :)
@@wiredgourmet I wish you had mentioned it in your review. Although I understand they left the bean slider for double purpose grinder users as SD and bean hopper. But it was a better idea to remove the slider completely to make the hopper sealed for bellows work its purpose.
Not to worry. What fraction of the volume of air pushed by the bellows do you imagine is passing through that little slot with the gate slider closed? It's a negligible effect.@@DaddyMakesCoffee
@@wiredgourmet Obviously not that much but enough to make Eureka that slicer tight. Though it is negotiable in the end.
If it's SD, which it is, no need of that slicer. The only positive side of that is anti popcorning imo.
Great review.
Thank you :)
Great review. Also, I appreciate the way you pronounce specialita. So often, us English speakers get lazy. We can at least try with proper nouns, haha.
Thanks!
Hello Thomas,
I really enjoy your content about coffee. Thorough, insightfull and a pleasure to watch.
Thought you are American, but your channel says Ireland? Good voice anyway!
Subscribed.
Would you consider making a video about mods for the Mignon (Specialata)?
Something I suggest experiencing: cotton pour over filters….
Please keep it up!
Thanks. Yeah I'm a Yank but I live in Dublin.
This is really a great review. It was a real pleasure to see your video and it convinced me to keep my eureka mignon specialita.
Glad I could help! You already have a great grinder :)
I've seen 3d printed tilt stands for mignons around the place. I love my little Mignon Crono. I got the old stock version with espresso burrs, and it's lovely.
Simpler is so often better :)
I got a 3D printed stand. 15 degree tilt. Works great!
REALLY GREAT REVIEW MATE KEEP IT GOING
Thanks, will do!
17:08 The "Gate Valve" is likely tighly fixed / slotted in so that air from using the bellows will leak out less.
I imagine that valve will get looser with use, and with that looseness the air produced using the bellows will leak out of that slot more and more
Perhaps, but I'm not sure you'd notice, with all the air already rushing out of the hopper-neck's locating groove on the left (9 o'clock), lol :)
Thanks a million, great review, great camera work and full on-topic focus. Really curious what Eureka’s response will be on the noise level, 90dB over their 60dB claim, that’s a massive lie…How is that even possible???
Thanks and welcome to the community :) Keep in mind that I used a simple phone app. A real pro sound level meter costs thousands. I trust the app only for comparisons.
You always have to take the decibel level readings with the grain of salt. To really compare You basically have to use the same measurement device and do using the same method from the exact same distance.
3 things: decibel meters have to be calibrated. A phone app, understandably, is not. Two, while decibels are an absolute measure of sound pressure level, it's not a measure of *sound* level--that is to say perceived loudness. That's dba, which is attenuated for how human beings perceive sound. Third, we don't know if the measured unit even matches!
One of the reasons a proper decibel meter is costly is because the microphone needs a *flat* frequency response. That is to say, the voltage coming off of the microphone should be the same regardless of what frequency that sound is. Smartphone microphones are not designed to this standard; in fact, they are designed to pick up the human voice clearly, rather than environmental noise.
Mine is definitely louder than the Specialita and Niche zero were it's not a super loud grinder but I wouldn't call it quiet or silent as they claim! It's about on par with DF64. Except running empty without beans the motor so sounds better on the Df64.
Dear Thomas, thanks for the video. I have a 6-months old Eureka Mignon Zero and suddenly I am not able to get a grind which permits me to get a decent cup of coffee. Moreover, I see that the knob has got harder to turn that it I do not know why and this does not allow me to really adjust the burr position. Why?
Your brilliantly detailed and insightful take on this is bound to blow any future reviews by others out of the water, and suffices to keep me from pre-ordering the Oro and saving up, instead, for the Niche as my espresso grinder to be. For the time being, though, I guess I‘ll have to just get a decent hand grinder, since the Oro was already a bit higher than my maximum budget for now. Any suggestions for espresso-only hand grinders? I briefly had the 1Zpresso J-Max and returned it immediately because the zero setting was hopelessly non-zero and I hate complexity and having to mod things right from the start. Just received a Timemore Slim Plus (with the E&B burr set, or whatever it‘s called) in the hopes that it‘ll work well enough for a medium roast in combination with the Picopresso.
Thanks, and welcome aboard. If you're dissatisfied with the Slim Plus, circle back and ping me and I'll try to steer you toward one you'll like.
Impressive video!
Thank you :)
Thanks for the review. I still own an old Eureka Mignon MCI and am looking to upgrade. Either to a Eureka Single Dose, to an Oro XL or to a Niche Zero. Your review doesn’t make the choice easier… as I understand it the Single Dose tastes better, but the Niche has the overall nicer grinding experience. What now!?
That's just how I'd put it. I find using the Niche to be a better experience, but personally, I slightly prefer the Eureka flavors. So, really glad to have both. I wish I could be more helpful :)
Just wow. Amazing review. Thank you so much!
Thank you. My pleasure :)
After tinkering around I realised that I could get retention down to about 0.1g by turning the grinder on/off repeatedly after the grinds stop flowing. Seems to work much better than bellows alone. I assume the change in momentum knocks some of the grinds off the burrs.
Yeah, that seems right. Plus, just waiting 15 mins or so for the static charge to fade makes it easy to empty with a light smack or cycling the motor.
@@wiredgourmet So you could do this at the start of the next day with a couple of fresh beans if single dosing?
18:52 I have just had a 3d print of a vertical stand for my Crono and noticed the vibration has gotten quite bad since putting it on the stand. Would you recommend placing some anti vibration Eva foam pads where you placed those tongue depressors and maybe around the burr area too? Or is there something better you would recommend as you said you had a few designs in mind, but not sure if you meant from factory or if someone at home could do it too?
Wow... this is the first video of yours I've seen. I found it looking for finally the first proper review. I'm still anxiously awaiting my Single Dose from the preorder. I'm delighted with the way you did it, and I completely identify with the details you're going for. I'm considering cancelling my order now! Lol! I currently have the Specialita however I don’t like it’s retention and I wanted to start with the single dosing. Can you recommend me a single dose grinder with flat burrs under $1000?
Thank you !
Thanks. If you can stretch your budget just a tiny bit, I would recommend the Ceado E5-SD. Great espresso and quite respectable pourover. Similar flavors to the Spet. Very well designed and well built for the price.
you're doing gods work!!!
thats why i like comment and subscribe lol
Thanks. Welcome to the community :)
Thanks for the detailed review, I have a specialita and its a great grinder. Eureka do an amazing job with these grinders, with such a small foot print. Its really good to see reviews that get down to the detail. Thanks! Any chance you could do a similar review on the XL?
Thanks. I probably will not review the XL since it's very similar to the Specialita in grind quality, and the Single Dose in speed. Think of it as a faster Spet :)
@@wiredgourmet Thanks for the reply. So if you have a Spec there is probably no point in upgrading to the XL, is that correct? What are the grinds like on the 65 mm burrs compared to 55mm?
What are everyone thoughts on how the hopper connects to the machine. There is a notch to line up at the left (9 o'clock position) viewing from the top with the front facing you. The rubber seal was made to shape around it but no matter how low or hard I push the hopper down on my Oro Single, that small gap will leak air when compressing the bellow. There is actually more air coming out of that gap then the chute itself which is frustrating and defeats the design.
When I asked for a return, the local store respond stating "The Eureka grinder is designed this way it does have a hole from which the air will escape in order not to vacuum seal with beans inside" and wants an 18% restocking fee.
My personal dislike (knowing prior to purchase) is the dummy switch below the chute and dummy fork insert fitting carried from Eureka other grinders such as Specailità. The noise I can manage, better then my AP30.
thank u for sharing
Thanks for watching!
if i adjust the grinder too much it sounds really scary if they are touching, how can i find the right spot?... also every turn around makes feel the button harder to turn and then loose again
First of all, thank you big time for this video. Eureka should be buying this video copyright as their manual and online videos are so bad. they didn't even cover everything in details.
Big help needed from you!
I just cleaned out (actually not 100% clean still) my Eureka Oro Single Dose for the first time ever today. The manual was terrible because it didn't tell you how to open the top part.
Anyway, when i first setup this machine, the manual asked me to tighten the screw to secure the hooper. before cleaning today, I removed the screw completely.
the problem now is that I cannot tighten that screw back, its very lose even i tried many things. I suspected that i might dropped a washer or something.
any idea? also, i don't see that you tighten that screw in your video.
thanks!
Received mine now, the hopper gate thing IS a bit stiff and not so nice to use. The single dose 3d printed hopper from my Specialita I had previously kinda seems to fit but not sure if it's making a perfect seal, i might test that out.
The wood base is pretty nice and thick but the lid IS pretty thin and flimsy feeling definitely seems like one drop and it's a goner.
Glad yours works better than mine did out of the box. Circle back in a week or two and let us know how you're getting on with it. Good luck!
@@wiredgourmet I haven't actually used it yet! Just set it up and tested out the bellows and 3d printed hopper with alternative bellows to see if it fits. I thought it wasn't fitting right because there was some air escaping out the left side, it turns out the regular bellows 'blow up hopper' also has some air escaping there, it's from the notch the hopper sits in! Shouldn't be a problem unless coffee grounds escape from there making a mess. Seems like a lot of air would also escape if you're not closing the kinda annoying hopper gate too. So without evening using it yet, I can tell workflow wise, still not as nice as the Niche Zero.
@@wiredgourmet More updates: The bellows is kinda useless, it's not enough force to clear the little bit of retention out of the chute. It clogs often. I have a 3rd party hopper and belows I used on my Specialita I had before and that works well on this grinder as well!
Also the Fancy Eureka logo thing on the adjustment knob stabbed my finger and fell off when I touched it! :O
I was surprised the Burrs on this thing do remind me of the Specialita, coffee has a lot of body but not as much clarity as the stock italmill burrs on the DF64.
Haven't had the bellows come off on me though, not sure the vibrations are THAT bad on mine, but it isn't as quiet as the old Specialita was.
I think the plastic lid is meant for the plastic hopper, the wood lid is just for the rubber bellows. So that's why it was awkward to get on /off and broke. Dropped my wood lid once, and it survived somehow, it does feel pretty thin.
@@BensCoffeeRants Good stuff, keep it up. I'll do a followup in a week or so. Cheers.
So I just got mine and omg I can’t dial it in for the life of me at one point I had it shooting out balls lol but I’m almost there I should of went and got some cheap beans
Good luck with it. Circle back and let us know how you're liking it :)
Looking for a single dose grinder that would also work for espresso and Hario v60 hand pours. Do I really need two different grinders??
Cheers for the review!
Can I get the unit out in my specialita the same way to adjust the dialing knob spring? I find that when I go to the zero point and back and then again to the zero point it moves, is a bit somewhere else each time🤔. Maybe that spring loosend after two years of usage?
my local distrubutor told me that my pre order moved to batch 2, and only arrive on early Feb=.= this is a great video so that i can decide to just buy a niche zero and cancel the eureka single dose!
Good. Do consider the Specialita tho, it's cheaper than the Zero.
@@wiredgourmet As a home user, i prefer low/zero retantion because im only having 1-2 cups perday. Seem like Zero is almost the high-end grinder for home user, so i may decide to choose the Zero because i dont want to upgrade my grinder anymore(MAYBE) haha
You can have the Specialita on an angle with good stability and it’s still as quiet as can be.
Great reviews on grinders so far on your channel, plus a lot of good info overall. Thank you for the hard work and efforts. What would be really great is if you could review the DF64 grinder. I have a Fiorenzato F64 Evo at the moment. It is the older model, but it's a beast, made all out of metal, at about 14Kg. I converted it to single dose, but i haven't solved all the problems yet. I am looking for a single dose grinder from the factory. I don't think i would like the taste from the Niche, as i mostly like the taste from flat burrs vs conical. After this review, i'm not considering the Eureka Single Dose. And yes, i have a Kinu M47 hand grinder. Apart from the manual labor, the experience is flawless and the retention is great, as you recomend in the video.
Thanks. I'm not doing the DF64 because I wonder who is behind it? I would be concerned about warranty issues. The Spet and the Niche have solid outfits behind them. If you don't want the 'issues' of the single dose, the Specialita is an excellent grinder and great value for money. :)
@@wiredgourmet I believe the manufacturer of the DF64 goes by the catchy name "Zhejiang Feilai".
@@wiredgourmet I understand where you're coming from. However, the DF64 is mainly sold through local suppliers who can service them for you. That's why i felt comfortable ordering one, knowing where I can go to when I have issues.
Also, it's so solid and simple, there's hardly anything that can break (No plastic except the catch cup for example).
@@Yirgamalabar Well, there you are. Nothing says "quality" quite like "Zhejiang Feilai"
@@wiredgourmet
That's the manufacturer name and I'm sure it sounds fine for Chinese speakers. The fact that they chose to distribute it under various local distributor names instead of their own brand is a business decision. I don't think it means much when it comes to the grinder's quality or capability, which are both widely praised, definitely for the money.
Hi Thomas, do you have problem removing the right screw on the ORO when opening the front cover for chute cleaning??
The cover was laid out back when the adjustment knob was smaller. Just unscrew and remove the knob first.
@@wiredgourmet Thanks for the quick reply. How do I remove the dial? do I have to open the base?
Sigh... The whole idea of Eureka is to not touch the grind setting while cleaning the grinder... It's not your fault sir... and you video has helped me alot...
I am just ranting to channel my frustration.
@@timzlow No, just unscrew the knob. You will lose your grind setting.
@@wiredgourmet thanks.
Great review! Glad you checked the backwards compatible hopper. What about the grind dial knob? Can that be used on a Spec???
Thanks. Yes, the Oro's larger adjustment knob fits the Specialita.
@@wiredgourmet Now to attempt to find somewhere that will sell it a la carte...
Thank you for the review!
Quick question - the burr chamber & burr holder looks similar to Specialita. Any possibility of using that part to fit a 65mm burr into the Speciallita?
Good question. I did some quick measurements and it appears that if you were to replace the motor mount and carrier assy, and top carrier, it could work. At least at a glance, I don't see anything that would mess it up. Since I have both grinders, I think I will try it when I'm bored enough. The burr proportions and blade patterns are identical, so the extra 10mm will only increase grinding speed a bit. The grit sliding down the chute is virtually indistinguishable. So I think the value of the change will be way less than the cost of the parts. But it could be an entertaining video :)
@@wiredgourmet Thanks for confirming! Was a random thought but now I am very intrigued...
@@wiredgourmet Does the Specialita have a cooling fan? I would be worried about the higher load for long term use, personally. I quite like the Kitchenaid approach of putting a 2~3 horsepower motor into a device that can only draw 1.5 horsepower of electricity from the wall for the torque, though, so maybe I'm just weird.
Great video! Please can you review Option-o Lagom Mini?
I intend to this year, and maybe side-by-side with the new Mazzer Omega.
Great review! Ever tried the DF64? Would love to get your in depth review on that too!
No promises, but I'm inclined to do it :)
Hm. If you’re just using this for espresso and don’t mind the slightly slow speed, think the specialita might be a better bet? Seems like there’s more annoyances to this and louder than the Spet.
Also, wishing you good health.
Personally I would go with the Spet. And thanks; best to you as well.
you should look into the bellman stovetop steamers. mines pretty fun to use and works well with manual espresso machines. not too steep a price either for what it allows you to make imo.
Thanks, I'll check it out!
another calm and conscious review of a an Eureka grinder, and.... hmmm... beside all details: a chute made of plastic with chrome covering is really cheap.... a true NO GO - the same with ONLY TWO FIXING POINTS, ridiculous ...as the cable strips, visible already from the outside : a Chinese manufacturer would have been stoned virtually for such cheap appearance
Would love to see a head to head comparison of this grinder with the Ceado E5SD. Unfortunately there seems to be almost no interest in the E5SD...
Yes, it's not really sought after, is it. I have a review coming up of the AllGround which might interest you.
Why are there always so many coffee grinds inside Eureka grinders?
Thank you Thomas for such detailed technical review! this is really helping to see what is under the hood, now I understand how the grinder works and where the issues are, and how possibly to fix them. I have a qiuck question, you compared SD to Specialita. How do you see the actual Single Dosing performance for both Specialita and Single Dose grinders? I expect SD is better as it's designed for this purpose but is it worth to sacrifice the hopper and timer? I know a lot of people use Specialita as SD. What would you advise? Thanks!
Does the Eureka Facile have similar problems to the Oro Single Dose?
How does the Facile compare overall to this grinder?
Awesome review mate. I noticed on my Single Dose that the upper burrs were scraping on the lower burr carrier, which added to the grinder noise (especially when empty). Have you noticed the same?
Thanks. I can hear the 3 grind-chamber wipers, but that's common and not a prob if it's slight. Could that be what you hear? (The upper burr is stationary, BTW.) So probably nothing to worry about :)
@@wiredgourmet Yep the wipers, one of them touches the fixed burr. Would be quieter without that happening, but not a huge issue.
Thanks for the video. I received my Mignon a few days ago too and I tried adjusting the knobs spring and it doesn't seem to change anything. The grind range is very fine even when the knob is completely loosen. Thoughts?
Maybe check the burr alignment. I have a separate video on that. If they're not parallel, you might not be able to get them close enough overall for the spring adjustment to work as it should. Especially check the 3 screws holding each burr; the problem is usually a loose fastener. Good luck
@@wiredgourmet Thank you i'll take a look
Sweet, basically I was looking for a bigger Specialita and if it's got similar taste profile I think this fits the bill. Larger burrs should give it a better grind consistency I'd think. It doesn't seem like issues are really 'that' big of a deal, well besides not being able to adjust very coarse (I think it's supposed to be an espresso only grinder isn't it so they probably did that on purpose?). It's probably best to use the wood lid with the bellows if it's hard to get in and out of the hopper part. Hopefully don't drop it or it's the plastic one as a backup! :O
This! ^
Review was a killer! But I'll echo Ben here. The "issues" represent a marginal deterrent for me. I suspect the Niche and Specialita pose perhaps comparable issues relative to preference and subject to opinion? Or maybe it's too early to tell? 😁Either way, I think there are some decent upgrades (standard diamond (larger) burs and bigger motor + faster RPM) that may help justify its advance over the Specialita. As far as the Niche vs EMSD - predilection? 😅Some of us just love those (bigger) flat burs that inch us closer to commercial, but not too much as to start running our own home cafe!
Superb work on the meticulous review!
Thank you very much :)
@@justin5020 Tried the grinder now, had some issues with the bellows not doing its job because it's not powerful enough to clear a little coffee from the chute, but retention is low enough (0.4-0.8g) you might not NEED to use the bellows (I fear the backed up grounds might grow and cause problems though). However, grind quality wise, it seems similar to how I remember the Specialita when I had it, lots of fines which contribute to body, not as much clarity as 64mm burrs in the DF64 grinder.
I think the wood lid is just for the bellows, plastic lid is for not using the bellows. Which is why it got stuck and broke (Instructions unclear!). It is pretty light / flimsy though. Survived one drop so far (onto my desk, not floor).
Mine seemed to be able to adjust and grind coarsely enough for me. Although I think these are mainly supposed to be espresso grinders, Like the Specialita and I assume the XL it's pretty inconsistent when coarse.
@@BensCoffeeRants Just watched your videos. Let me thank you for taking one for the team!😆
It would appear that the "issues" are growing into something more unfavourable. Wired Gourmet, I stand corrected! Haha.
The lid and bellows are disappointing. I can't say for sure whether I care about their existence in general. But that blockage and the difference in heat is definitely a loss for me.
I would mostly grind for espresso, but I would like a machine of this price point (and one that advertises as such) to be able to at least do pour overs nicely. I saw another reviewer suggest it didn't fair well in terms of ease-of-use and comparison to the Specialita for brewing methods such as pour over. Sad.
So, from what I gather, Ben, the Oro SD is just a slightly faster version of the Specialita - and more expensive, with greater overall complications? Would you argue the DF64 (perhaps with the SSP burs) is a better-performing machine? Despite it's (subjectively) less appealing aesthetic, it does seem like the DF64 wins.
I would simply hate to purchase the Oro SD as my first "expensive" grinder when it is but a mere reflection of its predecessor, lacking in performance and use.
I sincerely appreciate you coming back here to share your recent experience with me. It really helps steer my desire to make a seemingly impossible decision, haha!
@@justin5020 One reviewer did do a direct comparison and thought it was a bit of an improvement in taste vs the Specialita as it should be with larger, and similar designed burrs (I think they just scaled it up?) But I don't think either of those are great for coarser brew methods.
I'd say it's basically a Specialita with larger burrs (definitely grinds FAST), seems like they just added some single dosing features they THOUGHT people would like added based on how they were already 3d printing / modifying their grinders (as well as trying to compete with Niche zero and maybe DF64).
VS Niche Zero though the Workflow / ease of use and quietness is no match (niche wins I mean). Grind quality wise, I'm not sure.
I think Niche and Eureka grinders such as this one, and Specialita and likely the XL (Haven't tried the XL, but I think it's mostly the same) I think all their grind quality is kinda similar in a way where you get a larger particle distribution, more fines create more body, but also limit the flavour clarity.
Compared to even the Stock Italmill burr DF64 there's less body but noticeably more flavour clarity (on the DF64 I mean). SSP espresso burrs take that another step further (they work nicely for drip/brew coffee too) and then the Unimodal 'multipurpose' burrs are even more clarity and less body, which I prefer for brew coffee (aeropress is usually what I do) but it's kinda too clean for espresso for me, so for 'multipurpose' use, I'd probably say the SSP espresso burrs are best. DF64 has some issues / quirks as well but out of the box it's a great value. If you're just doing espresso I don't think you need SSP burrs, but a cheap 3d printed mod that holds the cup closer to the spout helps keep mess down when your using the bellows (The bellows on that one ACTUALLY works) but
You DO NEED to use it, where you can probably get away with not using it on the Eureka's just fine (I tried it now, not using the bellows on the Oro SD, and it seems inconsistent on mine, I once put in 18g and got out 19g!)
It just seems silly they'd design a blower hopper with the Oro Single doser that doesn't even work, unless it's just an issue with mine clogging up.
Update: sent mine back to the store for repairs / experimenting on!
Based on this informative video, am I right to understand that single dose doesn't make better coffee vs specialita? Taste profiles too similar? The larger burrs don't make enough of a difference?
I'm a beginner who doesn't want to deal with modding the single dose mignon but I do want to practice single dosing.
If that's the case, can a 3D printed single dose hopper + bellows make the specialita closer to being on par with the single dose mignon?
Reason I ask is I cld buy a specialita today vs waiting months for the single dose mignon.
Yes, the SD and Spet are very similar in flavor, although the SD is noticeably faster. I can't say how good the current mods are, but with so little difference in grind quality, I wouldn't be inclined to wait. I'd rather start drinking better coffee tomorrow, and let the mods evolve over time.
As you cone across as a person with vast amounts of knowledge, I would like to reach out to you as I am not getting much help from Eureka Italy. My eureka Mignon MCI is 11yearsold and suddenly started clogging up. I at first thought it might be the burrs so change them but it's still doing it. I am at a,loss for solutions. I don't want to throw the machine away and furthermore don't know what to buy as a replacement. You speak highly of the Eureka Oro SD....
There is a little clump breaker at the top of the cute that might need cleaning. Otherwise, I can't say much without the machine in front of me.
@wiredgourmet as you have owned or tested several Eureka grinders, have you ever experienced this??
Thanks a lot for that detailed test. How fine could you go? I have problems with my Silenzio not going finde enough, for light roast coffee, before touching burrs.
I can go all the way to Turkish with the Oro and the Spet, no problem. Perhaps your burrs are not seated fully or aligned properly. Check that all six of the slotted burr mounting screws are snug. You can also check their alignment. I have a video that might help: czcams.com/video/Gb3PgeQ6ewY/video.html
Thanks for the detailed review. I was thinking to purchase Eureka Oro Single dose until I saw this video. Now I’m back to research which grinder should I consider for espresso use. Suggestions are welcome! Any inputs on Ceado?
I'll be doing a few reviews in the coming month or so that might really help answer your question. Not trying to be cagey; one of them is still under media embargo is all.
How finely can the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose grind? I make espresso and some of the roasts I get need to be ground more finely than my Rancilio Rocky (modified with aftermarket burrs to go a little finer than stock) can manage. So, if I am going to spend the $$$, I really need a single does grinder that can go very fine.
Nice detailed video thanks! I have a question would u recommend to mod Vario ceramic burrs to steel? If so why is there a big difference and do u have experience with ceramic burrs?
Well, not recommend, but I would say that ceramic are easier to dial in for espresso. You can expect round flavors, like from conical steel burrs. Steel flat burrs can be a bit fussy for dialing in, but some prefer the brighter flavors. So, really depends what you enjoy. And the differences are subtle.
Great review very helpful. How is it compared it to ceado e5sd or df64?
Well, the Ceado is a better unit for sure :) But 2x the price for 20% better performance and no bugs. I haven't played with the DF yet, so no opinion there.
No wonder it shakes and wants to jump off the counter. The motor assembly isn't isolated properly from the chassis. There's a lot more components that seem to be an afterthought rather than a deliberate design choice. Is this an Italian machine by any chance?
They seem to have addressed a number of issues recently; I will have a followup video in about a week's time.
Good day and very nice review, thank you very much. I have two configurations. The one at home: Niche Zero and Rocket Appartamento. The work side: Eureka Mignon MCI (with 50mm burrs) and the equivalent of a Lelit PL41 T Plus PID. I intend to change the grinder at work, so I'll change the Mignon MCI for a Mignon but I'm hesitating between the XL and the Single dosing. The XL would allow me to use the hopper and for the Single Dosing one finds on the net hoppers with bellows made with 3D printer whose users seem satisfied. In short, I hesitate between the two. But before an advice on this choice, another question: will the espressi be really better with 65mm burrs compared to 50mm burrs? Thank you for your help.
Happy new year 2022 !
Burr blade pattern and proportions matter FAR more than a 10 mm change in size. The Specialita and the Oro series have the same pattern, so results will be almost identical. I would go for the Spet, it's only a bit slower than the XL and a lot cheaper.
@@wiredgourmet thank you, but spec = 55mm and XL=60mm ... isn't it ?
@@back_to_the_bike8820 Actually, the Oro series are all 65mm. But the blade pattern & proportions are identical to the Spet 55mm.
I have the same issue with retention: I ran about 4kg of different coffee from different roasters (light and medium roasts) through the SD since december 24, but every time it clogs the grinder and the blow of does not help at all. It just can't make enough pressure. I have to remove the hopper every time and use a proper uniersal aliexpress blow rubber - this blows out about 1,1-1,3 grams of stuck fines. I have much better experience with my Niche... Very disappointed in EUREKA..
Funny, the bellows is about the only part that works properly on mine, lol. I think they have inconsistency with assembly and parts suppliers maybe.
So if I’m just using this for espresso do I need to fix anything with the nob lol
Good question! I thought it made better espresso after the adjustment, but it did work before. And maybe mine was just overlooked.
@@wiredgourmet let’s hope mine should be here this week while I wait for my niche lol
Very nice review :)
One question was unanswered: How much retention does the Specialita have?
It's about the same, as I said in my Specialita review a year ago :)
@@wiredgourmet Sry, I didn't saw this review :)
Do not be put off the grinder by the experience of The Wired Gourmet. I do not doubt any of the points he made about his particular grinder. However, I have not had any of the issues he pointed out. My experience has been nothing but good. The Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose grinder produces great grinds for great coffee. It is quiet. The retention is negligible. It is extremely easy to use. The build quality is excellent. Frankly, if they had chosen only the most expensive materials and polished every single part by hand, this wonderful grinder simply would not be affordable. This thing grinds coffee. It is not a Ming Vase.
Hi there - love your stuff - very nerdy but in a good way. I would like your opinion. I have a Bezzera bb005 conical grinder for home and am thinking of changing out ONLYT the burs - can you recommend any "better" option? Cheers
I'm not aware of any better replacements or hacker community. It's a good machine and the burrs should last a decade in home use. You'll get tired of it long before it needs new burrs :)
I have bratza forte that broke on me and I’m planing for an upgrade for my espresso machine Rocket 58. i had reviewed online eureka oro XL seems does well in retention and Clums. but, as per the reviews seems it might be a bit messy. What you think of the Single dose ORO comparing to XL is it less messy and quality? What about (celadon E37J) what you think of this comparing to you single dose oro XL?
what is your recordation best for homeI’m looking for something that is…
1. Low retention.
2. Very low in clums.
2. Consistent grinding.
3. Easy access to bur for cleaning without the need to collaboration and alignment. Specially when i replace or upgrade the bur.
Eureka SD is being improved, the company says. I'll have a new video about that in about a week's time. But in this price range, there will always be compromises.
i was thinking instead of tongue depressor, maybe some pencil eraser would solve it