On thing I feel like you missed with Nobunaga's Ambition in regards to its quest is the story aspect of it. Shogun 2 usually makes randomly generated quests that are simply "hey build this, kill that." whereas Nobunaga's ambition also doubles as a visual novel that gives a lot of reason behind your actions. Let's take the conflict that led up to the battle of Okehazama and the Shogun 2: you're at war with the Tokugawa and Imagawa. You're pretty much obligated to annihilate the Tokugawa clan and eventually the Imagaawa. Nobunaga's Ambition: You have a cutscene where the death of the head of the Matsudaira clan (which is accurate, it won't be until much later they name themselves Tokugawa), Nobuhide kidnaps the heir, Takechiyo, who ended up befriending Kipposhi, aka Nobunaga which sow the seeds of what's to come. Eventually after the death of Nobuhide, the clan splits in to two and you're on a campaign to finally unite Oda under 1 banner. Eventually you have a special battle in Okehazama and you basically wipe the floor with Yoshimoto and kill him. This suddenly causes the Tokugawa to defect and declare independence. All of which happened in real history, and is translated throughout the game with famous events and cut-scenes that has been repeated in every iteration of the series to the extent it's tradition. and this is just 1 morsel to a plethora of cutscenes and events just within the Oda clan alone, let alone the Shimazu, Imagawa, Takeda, Date, and so on.
@@sowpmactavish you can but why would you? Vassalizing clans tend to be far more trouble than they're worth and especially at the start of the game where you need to expand you're putting yourself and the tokugawa in a position where they can't expand this they won't provide any meaningful support to your economy or war effort. Or, you can let them expand (or rather support them), which then they will be enough of a threat to declare independence. You can of course make them happy enough to not backstab you but you are going through a lot to justify having a vassal when you can simply take over and develop that province yourself. Honestly the vassal system in shogun 2 leaves a lot to be desired
Shogun 2: When attacking, sometimes the Ashigaru troop leader screams "MINNA, GANBARE" Nobunaga no Yabou: No such wholesome moral support Shogun 2 wins
Total War mastered the large scale battle. Koei Tecmo mastered well....you could say historical accuracy (except Dynasty Warriors, that one is mostly novel accurate)and giving love for a character/officer
First time playing Shogun 2, it was kinda hard for me to grasp the economics and diplomacy mechanics (also my first time playing a Total War game, as all I had played up to that point was AoE, American Conquest and the Stronghold series). But the meticulous morale system, the unit counter system (AKA 8 dimensional rock-paper-scissors), the epic scale of the battles and the kickass music fully bought me into the experience. Learned through the ABCs of ground battles, and enjoyed every second of the enemy cavalry getting torn to shreads by some Yari Ashigaru holding their ground with a pike wall. It was two whole weeks in which I played nothing but Shogun 2, and I still never won a single campaign bc I'm not really good at RTS games lol. It was as if I was playing a game I never knew I needed.
Nobunaga's Ambition's attention to historical detail is something that must be considered when compared alongside Shogun 2, which has anachronistic details like metsuke and geisha assassins in the Sengoku Jidai when both are Edo period concepts.
I think one should not overthink it. The metsuke/geisha just represent espionage/counter espionage as well as assassins. (admittedly in the Sengoku period it was questionable if dedicated assassins existed). But clearly daimyos did put resources into espionage and counter espionage even if the terms ninja and metsuke were not really used.
Love both games, can only say they should be combined to make the ultimate game. And maybe add in some elements of mount and blade and let you take over the general in battles too.
I wish that Shogun 3 should use the 3 kingdoms system as it has improved many aspects I disliked about Shogun 2 like the generic randomized characters and adding unique legendary heroes and generals. They could make the game in the vein of three kingdoms where you have romance and records, it could work in a Sengoku Jidai game. Plus the diplomacy is awesome and I like the battles.
@@Banzaiiii2223456 How's about a fully blown East Asia map in the 1500's? from Burma to the Phillipines and from Mongolia to the Malaka straights? I know that CA is really shitty in diversity, which this kind of game will need plenty off, but I mean, you've given us a map of europe and the near east a hundred times already! Why not shake it up a bit?
@@thesnowfox7262 I believe that wouldn't happen. Remember Ghost of Tsushima drama? South korean people got triggered because thay can't accept their humiliating history are putted into a game. (Korean was a vassal kingdom of Mongol)
Seems like Total War Three Kingdoms drew a lot of ideas from Nobunaga's Ambition that just make the game great, along with its own systems spicing up things. I just wish the current bloody bug will be fixed already as it deems my game unplayable!
the combat in three kingdoms is greatest weakness to me, it seems to have become to gamey and about tactics but more now about missile spam and special abilities.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD have you tried records mode? I’ll admit the game is a little more gamey In it’s style but in no other total war game has a cav went literally all the way around the map to flank my archers.
I want Shogun 2: Samurai's Ambition Mix the 2 of these games together for all the mechanics involved. Need a mod for that which also includes the Imjin War Mod and Invasion of Tsushima/Japan. Just give me the whooole deal in a single mod.
Both companies and the company that makes banner lords should all team up to make the ultimate samurai game, combining all good qualities of each game.
Shogun 2 is a European wargame with a Japanese skin. Playing it you'll actively unlearn Japanese history. Peak, if bullshit, aesthetics. Nobunaga's Ambition is the staple. You learn the history and get to live out some of the realities of the era, depending on what that particular title is focused on. Peak history simulation. Takeda for battle autism. Some of the above games try to actively make you dumber (Shogun 2), some go with various forms of abstraction (NA) but this game goes all out to accurately simulate the absolute mindfuck that was Sengoku period unit tactics. Peak detail autism.
All i wanted is a DLC where you can make your Avatar conquest clan be on a custom campaign where you either put your custom clan on the default game or make new clans with unique stuffs and battle them
One issue i have with shogun 2's family tree is when the daimyo dies, the family tree just moves on. So anyone related to the new ruler had a title like "brother" (brother to the now dead daimyo), this title is lost, and there is no way to check what relation they have to your clan leader
@Avocado Panda More so kind of made up. Total War tends to prioritise fun over accuracy at certain points, which is fine as it's just a design philosophy thing. There was never really a clan. Mostly just a confederation of families that made up the area of Iga. They did have good relations with the Rokkaku clan though and fought in some of their battles.
Ambition has a very good tutorial. Also you can customise the game a lot, so you can make it easy or choose a powerful clan. Me, I put the AI on it's highest intelligence and aggression settings from the start and have never looked back. :)
3-5 sphere of influence wins it was a back and forth match with sphere of influence jumping out to a 2-0 lead but shogun 2 clawed its way back to tie it and the take the lead but then shogun 2 lost that pivotal game 6. 2-1 and sphere of influence never looked back eventually winning 3-5 congratulations to sphere of influence this is salman ali and i am signing off
Ambition has a very good tutorial. Also you can customise the game a lot, so you can make it easy or choose a powerful clan. Me, I put the AI on it's highest intelligence and aggression settings from the start and have never looked back. I haven't played Shogun 2.
I can't remember how/when both games wound up in my library, but thanks for the video to help me choose which one to play. One minor bit of feedback: since your channel focuses on samurai games, it would probably be a good idea to learn how to pronounce sengoku jidai. You've got the vowels and consonants right, but not the rhythm/vowel emphasis. It's hard to write it in a way that will actually convey the pronunciation, but try putting the emphasis on the "sen" and say it all as one word, not as separate syllables. So SENgokujidai, not sen go ku ji dai. (You can hear it from a native speaker at czcams.com/video/5yUXVTX8iWw/video.html&t=12)
Historical accuracy vs battles
As much as I love Shogun 2, Nobunaga's Ambition is on a completely different level of immersive sophistication.
Shogun 2 does have the immense benefit though of gameplay once battles start
Nobunaga's Ambition is just UNIQUE! but also the most underrated strategy game EVER!
On thing I feel like you missed with Nobunaga's Ambition in regards to its quest is the story aspect of it. Shogun 2 usually makes randomly generated quests that are simply "hey build this, kill that." whereas Nobunaga's ambition also doubles as a visual novel that gives a lot of reason behind your actions. Let's take the conflict that led up to the battle of Okehazama and the
Shogun 2: you're at war with the Tokugawa and Imagawa. You're pretty much obligated to annihilate the Tokugawa clan and eventually the Imagaawa.
Nobunaga's Ambition: You have a cutscene where the death of the head of the Matsudaira clan (which is accurate, it won't be until much later they name themselves Tokugawa), Nobuhide kidnaps the heir, Takechiyo, who ended up befriending Kipposhi, aka Nobunaga which sow the seeds of what's to come. Eventually after the death of Nobuhide, the clan splits in to two and you're on a campaign to finally unite Oda under 1 banner. Eventually you have a special battle in Okehazama and you basically wipe the floor with Yoshimoto and kill him. This suddenly causes the Tokugawa to defect and declare independence.
All of which happened in real history, and is translated throughout the game with famous events and cut-scenes that has been repeated in every iteration of the series to the extent it's tradition.
and this is just 1 morsel to a plethora of cutscenes and events just within the Oda clan alone, let alone the Shimazu, Imagawa, Takeda, Date, and so on.
I agree with that 100% I think I tried to convey that more in my stand alone review for Nobunaga's Ambition Sphere of influence.
You know you can subdue/vassalize the Tokugawa thus turning them loyal to the Oda right
Wow, that amount of drama unfolding just from trying to conquer in a wargame sounds amazing; I want to try out Nogunaga's Ambition now.
@@sowpmactavish you can but why would you? Vassalizing clans tend to be far more trouble than they're worth and especially at the start of the game where you need to expand you're putting yourself and the tokugawa in a position where they can't expand this they won't provide any meaningful support to your economy or war effort. Or, you can let them expand (or rather support them), which then they will be enough of a threat to declare independence. You can of course make them happy enough to not backstab you but you are going through a lot to justify having a vassal when you can simply take over and develop that province yourself. Honestly the vassal system in shogun 2 leaves a lot to be desired
@@sowpmactavish In shogun 2 without mods, your vassals and allies turn on you a 90% of the time.
Imagine total war and Nobunaga ambition combined. What a game that would be.
Finally, a channel just for me-- all about Samurai history, movies and games!! I'm so pleased, you have no idea.
Shogun 2: When attacking, sometimes the Ashigaru troop leader screams "MINNA, GANBARE"
Nobunaga no Yabou: No such wholesome moral support
Shogun 2 wins
SHAMEFUL DISPLAY!!
@@roshawn1111 SHAMEFUR DISPRAY
also Shogun 2: **sells blood and gore effects as DLC**
Will always love NA and ROTK for the self made clans/house and officers !
ah yes, 100 in all category for 1000 officers. truly an HR's wet dream
Never knew these games existed. I am extremely excited now. Thanks for the comparison video!
Total War mastered the large scale battle. Koei Tecmo mastered well....you could say historical accuracy (except Dynasty Warriors, that one is mostly novel accurate)and giving love for a character/officer
First time playing Shogun 2, it was kinda hard for me to grasp the economics and diplomacy mechanics (also my first time playing a Total War game, as all I had played up to that point was AoE, American Conquest and the Stronghold series). But the meticulous morale system, the unit counter system (AKA 8 dimensional rock-paper-scissors), the epic scale of the battles and the kickass music fully bought me into the experience. Learned through the ABCs of ground battles, and enjoyed every second of the enemy cavalry getting torn to shreads by some Yari Ashigaru holding their ground with a pike wall.
It was two whole weeks in which I played nothing but Shogun 2, and I still never won a single campaign bc I'm not really good at RTS games lol. It was as if I was playing a game I never knew I needed.
Giving that old guy a regent position. It warms my heart.
Keep in mind for anyone who is watching this now that total war shogun 2 currently is free
Nobunaga's Ambition's attention to historical detail is something that must be considered when compared alongside Shogun 2, which has anachronistic details like metsuke and geisha assassins in the Sengoku Jidai when both are Edo period concepts.
I think one should not overthink it. The metsuke/geisha just represent espionage/counter espionage as well as assassins. (admittedly in the Sengoku period it was questionable if dedicated assassins existed). But clearly daimyos did put resources into espionage and counter espionage even if the terms ninja and metsuke were not really used.
but can you convert to *C H R I S T I A N I T Y* ?
Just discovered your channel keep it up!
Thank you!
Love both games, can only say they should be combined to make the ultimate game. And maybe add in some elements of mount and blade and let you take over the general in battles too.
For the historical accuracy / all generals ranked etc Nobunaga wins, but using the battle system for Shogun 2 would be awesome
I wish that Shogun 3 should use the 3 kingdoms system as it has improved many aspects I disliked about Shogun 2 like the generic randomized characters and adding unique legendary heroes and generals. They could make the game in the vein of three kingdoms where you have romance and records, it could work in a Sengoku Jidai game. Plus the diplomacy is awesome and I like the battles.
@@Banzaiiii2223456 How's about a fully blown East Asia map in the 1500's? from Burma to the Phillipines and from Mongolia to the Malaka straights? I know that CA is really shitty in diversity, which this kind of game will need plenty off, but I mean, you've given us a map of europe and the near east a hundred times already! Why not shake it up a bit?
@@thesnowfox7262 that'd be great actually.
@@thesnowfox7262 I believe that wouldn't happen.
Remember Ghost of Tsushima drama? South korean people got triggered because thay can't accept their humiliating history are putted into a game. (Korean was a vassal kingdom of Mongol)
Seems like Total War Three Kingdoms drew a lot of ideas from Nobunaga's Ambition that just make the game great, along with its own systems spicing up things. I just wish the current bloody bug will be fixed already as it deems my game unplayable!
the combat in three kingdoms is greatest weakness to me, it seems to have become to gamey and about tactics but more now about missile spam and special abilities.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD have you tried records mode? I’ll admit the game is a little more gamey In it’s style but in no other total war game has a cav went literally all the way around the map to flank my archers.
@@historyrepeat402 Records mode just feels empty, it feels tacked on.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD I mean it’s different but it seems like the same mode just not op generals
I want Shogun 2: Samurai's Ambition
Mix the 2 of these games together for all the mechanics involved. Need a mod for that which also includes the Imjin War Mod and Invasion of Tsushima/Japan. Just give me the whooole deal in a single mod.
They also missed the summer war on shogun 2, found out when I visiting Osaka castle irl.
also being shogun in shogun 2 makes the other clans hate you
why peoples always forget about nobunaga ambition sphere of influence ascestion
maybe because it is not as popular as total war series or it is just underrated
Both companies and the company that makes banner lords should all team up to make the ultimate samurai game, combining all good qualities of each game.
This is basically real history vs battle and realm divide to destroy your campaign
Nobunaga Ambition and ROTK will be great games had Koei did not pumping up the PUK
There used to be a game called Takeda, which was a mix of Shogun n Nobunaga's ambition
and none of it was done right...
You should do a video on the 2000 PS2 game Kessen.
Shogun 2 is a European wargame with a Japanese skin.
Playing it you'll actively unlearn Japanese history.
Peak, if bullshit, aesthetics.
Nobunaga's Ambition is the staple. You learn the history and get to live out some of the realities of the era, depending on what that particular title is focused on.
Peak history simulation.
Takeda for battle autism. Some of the above games try to actively make you dumber (Shogun 2), some go with various forms of abstraction (NA) but this game goes all out to accurately simulate the absolute mindfuck that was Sengoku period unit tactics.
Peak detail autism.
Thanks you man, i didn't know that Takeda game, now i can properly be an autistic samurai warlord and follow the path of the warrior, which is death.
Nice reviews, you should check out Sengoku Jidai: Shadow of the Shogun
when you get a chance.
All i wanted is a DLC where you can make your Avatar conquest clan be on a custom campaign where you either put your custom clan on the default game or make new clans with unique stuffs and battle them
ASMR whisper review
One issue i have with shogun 2's family tree is when the daimyo dies, the family tree just moves on. So anyone related to the new ruler had a title like "brother" (brother to the now dead daimyo), this title is lost, and there is no way to check what relation they have to your clan leader
Having to declare war seems silly in the sengoku period, I agree. However, non aggression pacts would make sense.
Ah yes, the great clan of the Sengoku Jidai, the Hattori.
@Avocado Panda More so kind of made up. Total War tends to prioritise fun over accuracy at certain points, which is fine as it's just a design philosophy thing. There was never really a clan. Mostly just a confederation of families that made up the area of Iga. They did have good relations with the Rokkaku clan though and fought in some of their battles.
even worse, they sold it as a DLC
Wouldn't it be cool if Sega, The Creative Assembly, and Koei Tecmo collabed to make Total War: Shogun 3?
Which of the two is more beginner-friendly? I want to give it a try but I don't want to be overwhelmed.
Not sure if you've made your choice after all this time lol but I typically find total war to be pretty easy and fun to get into
Ambition has a very good tutorial. Also you can customise the game a lot, so you can make it easy or choose a powerful clan. Me, I put the AI on it's highest intelligence and aggression settings from the start and have never looked back. :)
Do you play Sengoku by Paradox? It's Crusader Kings in sengoku jidai period
Also want to say from the Shogun 2 Gameplay, Please use more Yari Ashigaru. Your end battle result and treasury will thank you
3-5 sphere of influence wins it was a back and forth match with sphere of influence jumping out to a 2-0 lead but shogun 2 clawed its way back to tie it and the take the lead but then shogun 2 lost that pivotal game 6. 2-1 and sphere of influence never looked back eventually winning 3-5 congratulations to sphere of influence this is salman ali and i am signing off
How do i get dat game shogonat lord. I REALLY WANT IT PLEASE.
>playing vanilla Shogun 2
>no mods
*SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!*
Nobunaga’s ambition + Total war shogun2 = best strategy game
Its ok you dont have to say Nobunaga's Ambition is better, we know.😊
NA is better, simple
Does this play like Nobunaga's ambition play like kessen the 1st one??
Nobunaga's Ambition > Shogun Total War
Well i play nobunaga ambition so i can create my own clan then roleplay as time travel mc
Is one game more beginner friendly than the other?
Ambition has a very good tutorial. Also you can customise the game a lot, so you can make it easy or choose a powerful clan. Me, I put the AI on it's highest intelligence and aggression settings from the start and have never looked back. I haven't played Shogun 2.
Shogun 2 beat Nobun.... in battle system 10/10-4/10
I can't remember how/when both games wound up in my library, but thanks for the video to help me choose which one to play. One minor bit of feedback: since your channel focuses on samurai games, it would probably be a good idea to learn how to pronounce sengoku jidai. You've got the vowels and consonants right, but not the rhythm/vowel emphasis. It's hard to write it in a way that will actually convey the pronunciation, but try putting the emphasis on the "sen" and say it all as one word, not as separate syllables. So SENgokujidai, not sen go ku ji dai. (You can hear it from a native speaker at czcams.com/video/5yUXVTX8iWw/video.html&t=12)
....don’t compare them they are different
If they weren't different there would be nothing to compare!
@@robertstanley5555 exactly