When Australian motor racing removed Japanese cars from this event, they removed the spirit of the competition and it's never come back. They earned their grave.
@@KenOath1234 bullshit. the gtr's were built to group a specifications in japan which were effectively the same as australia. they were just better than anything in their time
CubesaverFTW I like both Ford and Holden since both appeared in the original Mad Max movie. The only Falcon I know of is Max's legendary "Pursuit Special" In the UK I think our version of Holden is Vauxhall, they sold the Monaro V8 coupe for a short while then replaced it with a saloon version, those where awesome.
Ash 928 the GTR was banned because it was just so much better than everything else in the Australian touring cars (now called V8 Supercars) at the time. It's awd and stupidly quick acceleration and braking made it the fastest car on the track in the dry and unbeatable in the wet.
Greg Whitbread the GTRs in 92 were severely limited by the governing body of racing in Australia. Boost limited/extra weight etc so a fair bit slower in the straights. The Sierras were pushing near 600Hp In 90 and especially 91 they were unstoppable though.
The Sierra! A hugely hugely hugely underrated car! An absolute gem to drive! Friend had a 300bhp one. When Ford was actually making some great cars!!!!
Hugely underrated my ass, the Sierra is one of the most succesfull touring cars ever made: [series wins: years] - Australian Touring Car Championship (ATCC): 1988, 1989 - Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft (DTM): 1988 - Japanese Touring Car Championship (JTCC): 1987, 1988 - AMSCAR series: 1988, 1989, 1990 - Nissan Mobil 500 Series : 1987 - New Zealand Touring Car Championship: 1989, 1990, 1992 - British Touring Car Championship (BTCC): 1990 - Australian Endurance Championship: 1990 Even in rally where it was not a suitable vehicle due to RWD layout against AWD Lancias and Mazdas, the car still managed to win on tarmac! Winner on the 1988 Corsica Rally, and in 1987 and 1988 on the British Rally Championship and Spanish Rally Championship. 1988 Tour de Corse too. At its peak on circuit racing, only the M3 could hope to win against it. You have to be either a troll or someone terribly misinformed to call it "underrated."
This is the last Bathurst race I watched. It was a much better format than Fords and Holdens racing in non production cars. Used to love seeing the range of speeds with the different classes and a lot more passing as a result.
Hell no, nothing more satisfying than seeing Perkins winning in 1997 in the Castrol VS. I cannot comfortably watch any 2016+ Bathurst races, or whenever they made them more like RC cars, and certainly can't relate to all the Camaro Mustang shit now. I have a VR and at least then they drove VR/S
_Not just a car, but a legend_ _You are a machine with a soul_ _You are the machine that started an entire era_ _You changed the way we looked at sports cars_ _You broke all records in your debut season and set ones that will never be reached again_ _You deserve an ugly and scary nickname of a mythical beast_ _You dominate both the tracks and the streets_ _You have won people's hearts_ _You have become a symbol of triumph_ _You have become the pride of a nation_ _You are a Nissan Skyline GT-R_ _You are Godzilla_
@@FiendishlyDelightedSefto while it was slightly slower then the Commos and Sierras the AWD system from GTR could always catch up and pass them in the corners
@@noahletwinski6955 the only reason gtr handled corners was the state of the art Porsche AWD system put on. The original AWD system Nissan planned on using could not deliver power to ground, it struggled with acceleration with original AWD system. If it had Nissan AWD system it would not accelerate out of corners like Holden allways has been able to do.
Ford UK was developing a 4WD system for the Sierra, from the Cosworth Sapphire rally cars, but they chose not to go with it because Group A was being abandoned world wide as a category. It was only Australia that persisted with it - not a big enough market, and once 1993 came around we abandoned it too.
GTR had a weight penalty over 40 kg. boost was restricted. front splitter and rear spoiler restricted.and brakes restricted so pads had to be changed twice at Bathurst . smaller fuel tank, to make them do extra pit stops . Power to the front wheels restricted. ride height raised and this is only some of the restricts. All put in place so the Sierra,falcon and commodore would not get lapped.
@@DAGATHire Watch the 1992 Bathurst or 1991 Race they say most of the restricts on the TV broadcast. The restricts where no secret. they where in news shows sport shows in newspapers. I take it your a 18year old kid.
This is Perfect in my opinion, My two favourite Cars (Ford Sierra RS Cosworth and Nissan Skyline GT-R R32) on a track I would consider simply brilliant track which puts together the factors of Top Speed, Handling and Elevation Changes.
The Cossie is much lighter, and lighter where it matters than the GTR. The Nissan has a whacking great lump of iron at one end and, potentially, all the power being put down to tyres at the other. The Ford is better balanced.
Bare in mind the Sierra was first designed in 1982! The body shell itself never changed - although rouse and johnson both broke the rules by cutting away the floor pan and welding it back in an inch or so in the shell. The engine was a 2.0 cast iron block (200 and 205 blocks) based on the pinto engine first released in the RS2000 MK2 escort. The Cosworth were commisioned in 83 to product a race engine with most of the R&D work done in an "xr4" in the 85 BTCC season. The RS500 version had a bigger turbo (again rouse and johnson cheating there (long story) and 8 injectors. So here was your road car designed in 82, with a performance version in 86 (RS Cosworth) and the RS500 in 87. In race trim in the early days they would put out about 320hp, but as time got on the HP grew and grew with trick heads, higher boost, better internals etc - but still in a chassis originally designed in 1982. FFWD to 1992. Who got pole? DJ. OK 91 say a syline on pole but a sierra got pole 87,88,89,90,92. By now the chassis was well out dated. Compare the GTR with the cossie entering the chase. The GTR composed. The cossie always looked like it was on the point of a massive accident. Compare that to the R32 that was designed and built in 88. I think they used the RB20 engine although I'm not sure. 4 wheel drive too. Massive advantage. If the R32 was only allowed to run in RWD things may have been different but we will never know. The cossie for me will always be king. Ford ruined everything with the escort cosworth using the Saphire Cosworth floorpan and running gear with a mk5 shell - but thats another subject entirely. I owned a R32 in 2004 and a 3 door cossie in 2005. The R32 always felt planted on the road, the cossie was a handful on unfamiliar roads, and I'd fucking shit myself if I took it out in the wet. I sold that and bought a pulsar GTR - full stripped out, two seats, cage, 400bhp. To date the best car I've ever owned - although out of them em them cossie always made me smile. PEople arguing over things, get over it. Its evolution. The cossie had to conceed to newer technology. Same reason the MK2 escort isnt in the wrc! What I'm not excited about is the new 4x4 Focus. It might have an RS Badge, but its no Cosworth.
When you look back at this race I think it really shows the skill of DJ. From what I've read from the likes of Andy Rouse and Steve Soper, the Sierra's weren't the easiest of cars to drive quickly and neatly in the dry, let alone the wet, but here's Dick Johnson absolutely taking the fight to the R32's in very wet and greasy conditions. Just look at how he struggles with traction coming out of Forest Elbow @0:31. I've often wondered who built the fastest Sierras. Rouse, Eggenburger or DJR. From the evidence of this video, I'd be inclinded to say that it was DJR who built the fastest Sierras.
That's because the power delivery of a group A Cossie consists of nothing, nothing, turbo, BIG TURBO, crash barriers. I can only go off the Cossie mod for Assetto Corsa as I was effectively saying, the torque curve is effectively a cliff which means unless you can keep the turbo spooled at all times, it's almost impossible to drive it without wrestling it and controlling the slides. And as you can imagine this is even worse in the wet. The big advantage the Cossie had over the R32 though is that it was much lighter because it didn't have the 4 wheel drive or steering.
John Bowe used to describe the Sierra's as difficult to drive - the handling was okay, if you were able to keep the power on, but if you were off throttle coasting and then got back on it, diabolical. And, word is, Johnson's had better handling then the rest of the Sierra pack, because of the work done locally.
I feel like a lot of people in America grew up with the impression that motorsports are boring because all we have is NASCAR, and NASCAR sucks. But this is real racing right here.
They were also restricted in rear tyre size. I read a quote from DJ years ago that if you weren't careful exiting 2nd gear corners, they wheel spin all the way through 3rd and 4th gears on the straight.
I remember watching this with me pop,great race of two legend driver's and cars.The R32 was a force to be recon with,I would of liked to seen all wheel drive on Sierra and seen how it went
In nz, advertizing on sundays was banned so one year we got to hear them whilst aussie ads were on. It was classic banter. F this f that laughter slurred speach. They were obviously taking advantage of sponsor hospitality.Then straight back to mr interesting when back on air. So funny
Nick Mendez because the GTR got sandbagged with a boost pop off valve and skinner tires, if the GTR ran in the 1991 spec for the 92 season the GTR would have crushed the ford
Phantasy Boy on the straights yes because in the 1992 season the GTR got very heavily penalised with a boost restriction from the turbos more weight add to the car and skinnier tires. What I’m saying is that if the GTR had been run in the same spec as it did in 1991 the ford would’ve had no chance anywhere, but none of that matters because the GTR still kicked the fords arse anyway in 1992 😜
@@klayshotter Rubbish the Sierra was penalized too with boost reduction power reduction way back from 1988 89 No car could keep up that's why you only saw Sierras in a row. Not on this Bathurst it didn't Dick won this but the stewards thought to rob him of his victory as Ford Sierra was robbed in 1987
Ahh, Godzilla back in the day. One of them many reasons why these sportscars and its bloodline are legendary. It’s number of championships, consecutive official wins, lap time records, 1/4 awd records, 1 mile, you name it. It’s basically the most successful Japanese sportscar line date. Other cars can just dream about those achievements. And what made the GT-R BNR32 very popular thus earned the name “Godzilla”? Because it was handicapped, banned, and changed grp A rule books. It was very controversial, and simply too dominating back in the early 90s.
smith smithy its not cheating its called using modern tech. The serrira did the same in its day. For sure Ford has nothing to prove to Nissan in terms of motor sport success, as Ford are one of the most successful, and Nissan one of the least. And Im not even a Ford fan!
the sierra is a far more successfull race car when taking into account its racing heritage. It won the dtm championship in germany against the 190 cosworth and e30 and it also won a bunch of rallies
Just had a tour of Dick Johnson’s workshop by Dick himself. Most impressive place I’ve seen in a long time. If you ever get the chance I highly recommend it!
Delivering rags there one day showed me what an arsehole that prick really is! never had much respect for him after his comments and bitching against Richards/Skaiffe in 92. prick saw me struggling to walk and carry his fucking rags and deliberately with a big grin on his face pulled a door closed so as to make it harder for me! I called him a C that day to his face and openly tell him what i think of him on the occaisions i see him around. fucking cheating lowlife scum that he is!
Bring back open class racing then I may get interested in Australian motor racing again. Skank tanks have been on the mountain way too long. Get rid of em.
Two of the greatest homologation cars in history. I am fortunate to own a 3dr Cosworth in the states and I swear I could park it next to anything and it would steal the show, never have I owned or even ridden in a car that breaks necks like it, I can't go a mile without a thumbs up, a wave, or someone cutting up traffic to try to catch up with me. I would love to add an R32 to my collection someday, the cosworth may be the more outrageous looker and better balanced drivers car, but the YB certainly can't touch the way that RB26 sounds.
I've had my R32 GTR V-spec for about 25 years...a Car THAT STILL Everytime I drive it Never fails to put a smile on my face...it will be a family heir loom and handed down to my Son as I would NEVER sell it
I went to this race. I was about 21 and we watched at the top of the mountain, with plenty of beer to keep us hydrated all day. It was one of the best experiences I've had. Even got to to drive around the track the next morning, albeit in the opposite direction and at a crawl (because it's a one-way public road and the cops were pointing radar guns at all the wanna be Peter Brocks :-P) Only thing that could've made it a better day was if Holden had won.
One thing I forgot to mention is the huge elevation difference of 175 metres between top & bottom. Many people don't realise because it's hard to pick-up from video. It's a long steep climb and a fast descent...every lap.
@@user-fx2sh6pk9u how was it restricted if the gtr weight almost the same as the Sierra while having almost 120hp more and awd? the Sierra literally had added weights to make it fair for everyone else and the gtr comes with 0 restrictions 100plus more horsepower than anyone else and awd and still struggles against the restricted Sierra in the rain
@petrospago3515 in 92 the GTR was Boost restricted, Rev restricted, had almost 100kg of weight added and was Down about 200hp from the year before AND it was A LOT Heavier than the Sierra due to its AWD System...ALWAYS WAS A LOT Heavier than the Sierra...the Sierra was running a LOT MORE Boost than the GTR and weight removed that season
@petrospago3515 the Sierra weighed 1210kg...the GTR was 1500kgs...no idea where you got the info that the Sierra was anywhere near thecweight of the GTR
I was at the Bathurst 1000 today but 1992 was the last time I was there before that. Interesting mix of cars back then. Today it was just Mustangs and Commodores but we still had a great day. The rain held off today not like 1992 when we got soaked.
Absolute beauties, I can only hope that more of these types of cars are preserved and not banned outright in the near future. The all electric push is depressing though perhaps a necessity, there's the controversy about the energy used in producing them and exporting/transporting them for sale. Tighter emissions laws for MOT I can see the sense in, versus outright bans.
It was only a few years later, i stopped watching these races- around the EL Flacon period. I miss the various cars that raced back then- everything from a Corlla to a GTR
After the R32 passed the Sierra, it seems the Sierra was still keeping pace with the skyline in wet conditions. So it's either the Attesa Ets wasn't as powerful of an advantage guys make it out to be, or the Sierra's driver was goddamn good.
THE GTR was severely hobbled and penalised in 92...it was Boost restricted, rev limited and almost 100kg of ballast in the boot ...watch a 91 season of THE ATCC or the 91 Bathurst and its obvious how much it was hobbled...at one stage Richards and Johnson had a drag race up the mountain and the GTR just walked away effortlessly from Johnsons Sierra
I can still remember seeing my first Sierra RS Cosworth in 1987 on a D plate in white owned by the Corona pop rep who visited all the local shops where I grew up as a kid. Ford actually sold them for a fiver under 20k so they could be purchased as a reps car if I’m not mistaken...
Yeah he did. He put it on pole and was leading by the length of the straight when they came in for a pit stop and the water pump failed. They got it fixed but he was out of contention by then. Didn't really matter, the point had been proved. DJR built the fastest Sierras on the planet. Dick said in his book he had been screwed over by Rouse in the early days of the Sierras development in Australia, which prompted him to develop the car himself in house. He took great delight in thrashing the British cars. Testament to how good they were is Cosworth have one of Dick's cars in their display rooms as an example of the best of its type. That says something.
Essentially the Sierra was a follow on from the Cortina many parts were similar, the Cosworth engine was based on a 2ltr Cortina/Sierra engine block with a fancy 16V head and a turbo charger , Dick Johnson,s cars had in excess of 650hp ( and said that more was possible, if not for exhaust restrictions ) the Dick Johnson Sierra,s were the fastest Sierra,s in the world, 17 & 18 ended in the UK BTCC.
Actually the Cortina was a 1600cc Lotus engine built off of the Kent Crossflow. The Sierra was built off of the Ford Pinto 205 Block with Cosworth designed internals and head.
@@nickmendez3707 the lotus cortina had a twincam 1600 yes but mk3 cortina to mk5 cortina the gt/2000e/ghia/ had 1.6 or 2.0 pinto options aswel as a 1300 x flow and 2.3 cologne v6
The Skyline GTR got 'Nutered' just so the Competition could Compete with it- it had to carry more weight & Lower Boost Psi -It was Decades Ahead of the V8's Tecnology Wise! The Sierra must have had Similar Power : Weight to stay ahead of the GTR which was Handicapped!! -Cheers👍
This clip reminds me when the aging Ford escort was dueling the new Audi quattro in the rally scene, the car was spectacular to watch but of course it isn't that competitive anymore
Honestly, it makes me glad that "car brand xenophobia" isn't just isolated to the US. Seems like you Aussies have that issue too according to these comments.
2.6 litre, six cylinder, twin turbo, 4 wheel drive vs 2 litre 4 cylinder single turbo RWD. Add a wet track.... You also need to remember the Skyline was a much newer car. Technology moves on.
When Australian motor racing removed Japanese cars from this event, they removed the spirit of the competition and it's never come back. They earned their grave.
bullshit... those things should have never been allowed in Group A. Sierras were bad enough.
@@KenOath1234 I love Australian cars but Ford and Holden should have adapted instead of banning them
@@nicholasheaney1235 it’s like when Ferrari whines bout getting whooped lol
This isn't Japan. Japanese cars aren't our 'heart'.
@@KenOath1234 bullshit. the gtr's were built to group a specifications in japan which were effectively the same as australia. they were just better than anything in their time
Sierra Cosworth and Skyline GTR, fuck the haters, both of these beasts are legends.
Ash 928 Agree. What an brutal beasts they are. Both look sexy and are fast as hell.
Ash 928 what about Holden toranas and Ford falcons?
CubesaverFTW I like both Ford and Holden since both appeared in the original Mad Max movie.
The only Falcon I know of is Max's legendary "Pursuit Special"
In the UK I think our version of Holden is Vauxhall, they sold the Monaro V8 coupe for a short while then replaced it with a saloon version, those where awesome.
Ash 928 the GTR was banned because it was just so much better than everything else in the Australian touring cars (now called V8 Supercars) at the time. It's awd and stupidly quick acceleration and braking made it the fastest car on the track in the dry and unbeatable in the wet.
Greg Whitbread the GTRs in 92 were severely limited by the governing body of racing in Australia.
Boost limited/extra weight etc so a fair bit slower in the straights. The Sierras were pushing near 600Hp
In 90 and especially 91 they were unstoppable though.
The Sierra! A hugely hugely hugely underrated car! An absolute gem to drive! Friend had a 300bhp one. When Ford was actually making some great cars!!!!
NoNoNoNii the last thing that we have is the mustang sadly.
Hugely underrated my ass, the Sierra is one of the most succesfull touring cars ever made:
[series wins: years]
- Australian Touring Car Championship (ATCC): 1988, 1989
- Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft (DTM): 1988
- Japanese Touring Car Championship (JTCC): 1987, 1988
- AMSCAR series: 1988, 1989, 1990
- Nissan Mobil 500 Series : 1987
- New Zealand Touring Car Championship: 1989, 1990, 1992
- British Touring Car Championship (BTCC): 1990
- Australian Endurance Championship: 1990
Even in rally where it was not a suitable vehicle due to RWD layout against AWD Lancias and Mazdas, the car still managed to win on tarmac! Winner on the 1988 Corsica Rally, and in 1987 and 1988 on the British Rally Championship and Spanish Rally Championship. 1988 Tour de Corse too.
At its peak on circuit racing, only the M3 could hope to win against it. You have to be either a troll or someone terribly misinformed to call it "underrated."
Who said Sierra is underappreciated . Americans still cry that they never got one
@@plocky4275 Holden VS won rally championships too
@@varun3282 Not entirely true as they did get the Merkur ,with XR version no less.
When the world was a better place
Mohamed Isapedo uh... this is a racing video sir
@Mohamed Isapedo Always one dickhead in the comments.
Felt like paradise compared to what we have now
that gtr looks so great
NoNoNoNii his name is Mohammad bro
This is the last Bathurst race I watched. It was a much better format than Fords and Holdens racing in non production cars. Used to love seeing the range of speeds with the different classes and a lot more passing as a result.
Hey, last one I saw too, even as a 12yo I knew it was a backwards step. Look what the jdms are doing now
Because the Holden can't handle losing just a sore loser always complaining and excuse.
Good thing not everyone likes watching a glorified speed comparison knowing which badge had booked a race win over earning it
Hell no, nothing more satisfying than seeing Perkins winning in 1997 in the Castrol VS.
I cannot comfortably watch any 2016+ Bathurst races, or whenever they made them more like RC cars, and certainly can't relate to all the Camaro Mustang shit now.
I have a VR and at least then they drove VR/S
80s-90s. Unforgettable and unbeatable times, best twenty years human kind gone through.
_Not just a car, but a legend_
_You are a machine with a soul_
_You are the machine that started an entire era_
_You changed the way we looked at sports cars_
_You broke all records in your debut season and set ones that will never be reached again_
_You deserve an ugly and scary nickname of a mythical beast_
_You dominate both the tracks and the streets_
_You have won people's hearts_
_You have become a symbol of triumph_
_You have become the pride of a nation_
_You are a Nissan Skyline GT-R_
_You are Godzilla_
Thanks to Mark Skaife and any driver who drove those car tho. Not just a car, he also the best driving skill too
🙏
where is this from tho
This r32 gtr is now resting at a car collection at my school.what an honour to have seen this car in person
Ah the GTR. The car that killed Australian touring cars.
@@AnonYmous-hu7jo "Australia"
The Worst place to live on earth
*idiotic
*moronic
*arrogance
*scumbags
the most of all..
*flattardia
Paulo Manuntag clearly you’ve never been here to Australia and quiet frankly we’d rather if you didn’t come.
Wrong, GTR is actuly slow.
Holden was better
@@FiendishlyDelightedSefto while it was slightly slower then the Commos and Sierras the AWD system from GTR could always catch up and pass them in the corners
@@noahletwinski6955 the only reason gtr handled corners was the state of the art Porsche AWD system put on.
The original AWD system Nissan planned on using could not deliver power to ground, it struggled with acceleration with original AWD system.
If it had Nissan AWD system it would not accelerate out of corners like Holden allways has been able to do.
In its day the Sierra was a monster,it's a shame they didn't keep up the good work like Nissan did!
Ford UK was developing a 4WD system for the Sierra, from the Cosworth Sapphire rally cars, but they chose not to go with it because Group A was being abandoned world wide as a category. It was only Australia that persisted with it - not a big enough market, and once 1993 came around we abandoned it too.
I love it how all these old Bathurst broadcasts always have porn music.
The Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 - An absolute Touring Car Legend. They don't make 'em like this any more.
Even the late and great Peter Brock was asked of all the race cars he had driven said that the Sierra was a beast of a machine and on another level
Would love to be behind the wheel of the 91 spec GTR one day. That thing is an absolute missile.
I’d love to have a 2020 Nissan GTR Nismo
@@bryantcurtis2665 So would I, but i'd sell it and buy an Escort Cossie
Everyone was gangsta until the Godzilla showed up in the mountain.
I don't even watch v8 super car shit, after growing up in this era.
😂😂😂😂😂
me too....didn’t even know bathurst 2018 was on until the day.....
if you still watch v8 stupidcars well...you’ve been had
Funny you old boys using youtube comments to complain about progress....
@@SuperSamtel yeah we're old trollers! 😊
lol....the progress is actually regressive in all aspects of the motorsport.... yawns, time for a nap
GTR had a weight penalty over 40 kg. boost was restricted. front splitter and rear spoiler restricted.and brakes restricted so pads had to be changed twice at Bathurst . smaller fuel tank, to make them do extra pit stops . Power to the front wheels restricted. ride height raised and this is only some of the restricts. All put in place so the Sierra,falcon and commodore would not get lapped.
and the pilot dick was not restricted too??
i'd like to see a link to your sources on that. cos it sounds like a story from narnia.
@@DAGATHire No link, I lived it.
@@timeofyourlife7561 ye okay. im currently living in the age of the flat earth theory!
@@DAGATHire Watch the 1992 Bathurst or 1991 Race they say most of the restricts on the TV broadcast. The restricts where no secret. they where in news shows sport shows in newspapers. I take it your a 18year old kid.
Gran turismo 2 REAL LiFE¡
The RS500 was an elderly machine by that point. No doubt just as fast as ever though.
Agree,sierra was 7+yrs old by this
Mike Gunnerst you’re one sad human being, hope I never becoming as crotchety as you smh
This is Perfect in my opinion, My two favourite Cars (Ford Sierra RS Cosworth and Nissan Skyline GT-R R32) on a track I would consider simply brilliant track which puts together the factors of Top Speed, Handling and Elevation Changes.
How did the 2wd cosworth even keep up with the awd gtr in the rain? That's impressive
The Cossie is much lighter, and lighter where it matters than the GTR. The Nissan has a whacking great lump of iron at one end and, potentially, all the power being put down to tyres at the other. The Ford is better balanced.
@@Alex462047 I know, but in the rain? That's some serious driving, suspension, and minimal mass breaking the laws of physics.
@@fightfanian It's all of that, all right!
Sierras were awd as well I'm pretty sure
@@damiendoisher7812 3door Sierra's were rwd. Versions of the sapphire 5 door were available 4x4 and all escorts were based on the Sierra 4x4 chassis's
Bare in mind the Sierra was first designed in 1982! The body shell itself never changed - although rouse and johnson both broke the rules by cutting away the floor pan and welding it back in an inch or so in the shell. The engine was a 2.0 cast iron block (200 and 205 blocks) based on the pinto engine first released in the RS2000 MK2 escort. The Cosworth were commisioned in 83 to product a race engine with most of the R&D work done in an "xr4" in the 85 BTCC season. The RS500 version had a bigger turbo (again rouse and johnson cheating there (long story) and 8 injectors. So here was your road car designed in 82, with a performance version in 86 (RS Cosworth) and the RS500 in 87. In race trim in the early days they would put out about 320hp, but as time got on the HP grew and grew with trick heads, higher boost, better internals etc - but still in a chassis originally designed in 1982. FFWD to 1992. Who got pole? DJ. OK 91 say a syline on pole but a sierra got pole 87,88,89,90,92. By now the chassis was well out dated. Compare the GTR with the cossie entering the chase. The GTR composed. The cossie always looked like it was on the point of a massive accident. Compare that to the R32 that was designed and built in 88. I think they used the RB20 engine although I'm not sure. 4 wheel drive too. Massive advantage. If the R32 was only allowed to run in RWD things may have been different but we will never know. The cossie for me will always be king. Ford ruined everything with the escort cosworth using the Saphire Cosworth floorpan and running gear with a mk5 shell - but thats another subject entirely. I owned a R32 in 2004 and a 3 door cossie in 2005. The R32 always felt planted on the road, the cossie was a handful on unfamiliar roads, and I'd fucking shit myself if I took it out in the wet. I sold that and bought a pulsar GTR - full stripped out, two seats, cage, 400bhp. To date the best car I've ever owned - although out of them em them cossie always made me smile. PEople arguing over things, get over it. Its evolution. The cossie had to conceed to newer technology. Same reason the MK2 escort isnt in the wrc!
What I'm not excited about is the new 4x4 Focus. It might have an RS Badge, but its no Cosworth.
triptechable Cool story
Gtr was just that much better
+Zac Youngson it was. however in 1992 the sapphire cosworth was available in 4x4 form and would've made things even closer in the wet.
at last someone who sees that the new focus isn't a proper rs, it's just a fast focus. an rs has its roots in motorsport. focus rs's don't.
no doubt about it the cosworth is a legend of its own.
When you look back at this race I think it really shows the skill of DJ. From what I've read from the likes of Andy Rouse and Steve Soper, the Sierra's weren't the easiest of cars to drive quickly and neatly in the dry, let alone the wet, but here's Dick Johnson absolutely taking the fight to the R32's in very wet and greasy conditions. Just look at how he struggles with traction coming out of Forest Elbow @0:31.
I've often wondered who built the fastest Sierras. Rouse, Eggenburger or DJR. From the evidence of this video, I'd be inclinded to say that it was DJR who built the fastest Sierras.
That's because the power delivery of a group A Cossie consists of nothing, nothing, turbo, BIG TURBO, crash barriers. I can only go off the Cossie mod for Assetto Corsa as I was effectively saying, the torque curve is effectively a cliff which means unless you can keep the turbo spooled at all times, it's almost impossible to drive it without wrestling it and controlling the slides. And as you can imagine this is even worse in the wet.
The big advantage the Cossie had over the R32 though is that it was much lighter because it didn't have the 4 wheel drive or steering.
Agreed. The R32 was by far the best car technologically (and rightly neutered) but Johnson showed he was clearly the best driver.
John Bowe used to describe the Sierra's as difficult to drive - the handling was okay, if you were able to keep the power on, but if you were off throttle coasting and then got back on it, diabolical. And, word is, Johnson's had better handling then the rest of the Sierra pack, because of the work done locally.
I have respect for both of these cars.
Im glad i was old enough to remember these years, Brock, Johnson in their primes (ish)
To be fair mate by the 90s Brock and Johnston were well past their primes
I feel like a lot of people in America grew up with the impression that motorsports are boring because all we have is NASCAR, and NASCAR sucks. But this is real racing right here.
Wow I forgot how fast those Sierras were.
potaka79 check out Dick Johnson hitting scramble boost at 1:37 - he's really trying to get past the GTR.
They were also restricted in rear tyre size. I read a quote from DJ years ago that if you weren't careful exiting 2nd gear corners, they wheel spin all the way through 3rd and 4th gears on the straight.
@@gav240z Yeah, in fact the Nissan had to move off line to block him !!
@Mike Gunnerst relax your precious GTR got smoked by a 4cyl.
It's racing cars
All racing cars are fast
Great to see the ageing AE86 Toyota still dicing it up (4A-GE?). Used to own one of those beauties.
Japanese copy of Ford Cosworth BDA. Great engines!
I remember watching this with me pop,great race of two legend driver's and cars.The R32 was a force to be recon with,I would of liked to seen all wheel drive on Sierra and seen how it went
Wish Supercars could go back to this
The excitement on the commentators is extraordinary!
Sierra was avalible in america
In nz, advertizing on sundays was banned so one year we got to hear them whilst aussie ads were on. It was classic banter. F this f that laughter slurred speach. They were obviously taking advantage of sponsor hospitality.Then straight back to mr interesting when back on air. So funny
The Sierra was way passed it's prime by 1992. Amazing it was still hanging on by that point.
Nearly 10 years after the initial developments of the cars. And yet it could still leave the GTR behind on the straights.
Nick Mendez because the GTR got sandbagged with a boost pop off valve and skinner tires, if the GTR ran in the 1991 spec for the 92 season the GTR would have crushed the ford
@@klayshotter Don't talk rubbish if that was in dry condition the Sierra would leave the Nissan in the dust
Phantasy Boy on the straights yes because in the 1992 season the GTR got very heavily penalised with a boost restriction from the turbos more weight add to the car and skinnier tires. What I’m saying is that if the GTR had been run in the same spec as it did in 1991 the ford would’ve had no chance anywhere, but none of that matters because the GTR still kicked the fords arse anyway in 1992 😜
@@klayshotter Rubbish the Sierra was penalized too with boost reduction power reduction way back from 1988 89 No car could keep up that's why you only saw Sierras in a row. Not on this Bathurst it didn't Dick won this but the stewards thought to rob him of his victory as Ford Sierra was robbed in 1987
Ahh, Godzilla back in the day. One of them many reasons why these sportscars and its bloodline are legendary. It’s number of championships, consecutive official wins, lap time records, 1/4 awd records, 1 mile, you name it. It’s basically the most successful Japanese sportscar line date. Other cars can just dream about those achievements.
And what made the GT-R BNR32 very popular thus earned the name “Godzilla”? Because it was handicapped, banned, and changed grp A rule books. It was very controversial, and simply too dominating back in the early 90s.
@smith smithy Oh, a cheat. So that "clears" that then. A bit bitter about the fact?
What crap are you driving?
Won lemans, paris daka, Nürburgring24, daytona24?
smith smithy its not cheating its called using modern tech. The serrira did the same in its day. For sure Ford has nothing to prove to Nissan in terms of motor sport success, as Ford are one of the most successful, and Nissan one of the least. And Im not even a Ford fan!
The golden age of racing.
Amazing series. Modern touring/DTM cars pail in comparison!
Everyone knows the GTR was fast but those serriera rs500 were awesome too,now even more rarer then a gtr
Happy to have a black rs500 in the garage here
the sierra is a far more successfull race car when taking into account its racing heritage. It won the dtm championship in germany against the 190 cosworth and e30 and it also won a bunch of rallies
Just had a tour of Dick Johnson’s workshop by Dick himself. Most impressive place I’ve seen in a long time. If you ever get the chance I highly recommend it!
Delivering rags there one day showed me what an arsehole that prick really is! never had much respect for him after his comments and bitching against Richards/Skaiffe in 92. prick saw me struggling to walk and carry his fucking rags and deliberately with a big grin on his face pulled a door closed so as to make it harder for me! I called him a C that day to his face and openly tell him what i think of him on the occaisions i see him around. fucking cheating lowlife scum that he is!
Bring back open class racing then I may get interested in Australian motor racing again. Skank tanks have been on the mountain way too long. Get rid of em.
The Holden fans would all spit the dummy and start crying
Isn't improved production category basically employs the same idea? I do agree though
what is a skank tank?
Yep captivas vs kugas is the future man
Two of the greatest homologation cars in history. I am fortunate to own a 3dr Cosworth in the states and I swear I could park it next to anything and it would steal the show, never have I owned or even ridden in a car that breaks necks like it, I can't go a mile without a thumbs up, a wave, or someone cutting up traffic to try to catch up with me. I would love to add an R32 to my collection someday, the cosworth may be the more outrageous looker and better balanced drivers car, but the YB certainly can't touch the way that RB26 sounds.
Whats your collection buddy? Only your amazing Sierra?
I've had my R32 GTR V-spec for about 25 years...a Car THAT STILL Everytime I drive it Never fails to put a smile on my face...it will be a family heir loom and handed down to my Son as I would NEVER sell it
one of the best tracks in the world full stop.
I went to this race. I was about 21 and we watched at the top of the mountain, with plenty of beer to keep us hydrated all day. It was one of the best experiences I've had. Even got to to drive around the track the next morning, albeit in the opposite direction and at a crawl (because it's a one-way public road and the cops were pointing radar guns at all the wanna be Peter Brocks :-P) Only thing that could've made it a better day was if Holden had won.
One thing I forgot to mention is the huge elevation difference of 175 metres between top & bottom. Many people don't realise because it's hard to pick-up from video. It's a long steep climb and a fast descent...every lap.
Australian Nürburgring?
@@Joshua_N-A No, Australian Mt Panorama!
The best era of Bathurst
Those sierras were awesome
imagine having no restrictions and still getting challenged by a sierra with 125hp less no AWD and 200lb ballast
THE GTR in 92 was BADLY RESTRICTED...Boost restricted, Rev restricted, added weight...you name it...they did EVERYTHING to try and Slow the GTR down
@@user-fx2sh6pk9u how was it restricted if the gtr weight almost the same as the Sierra while having almost 120hp more and awd? the Sierra literally had added weights to make it fair for everyone else and the gtr comes with 0 restrictions 100plus more horsepower than anyone else and awd and still struggles against the restricted Sierra in the rain
@petrospago3515 in 92 the GTR was Boost restricted, Rev restricted, had almost 100kg of weight added and was Down about 200hp from the year before AND it was A LOT Heavier than the Sierra due to its AWD System...ALWAYS WAS A LOT Heavier than the Sierra...the Sierra was running a LOT MORE Boost than the GTR and weight removed that season
@petrospago3515 the Sierra weighed 1210kg...the GTR was 1500kgs...no idea where you got the info that the Sierra was anywhere near thecweight of the GTR
I was at the Bathurst 1000 today but 1992 was the last time I was there before that. Interesting mix of cars back then. Today it was just Mustangs and Commodores but we still had a great day. The rain held off today not like 1992 when we got soaked.
Wow, 30 years between visits!
OLD SCHOOL, THAT WAS MY TIME. LOVE IT!!!!!😎😎😎
Absolute beauties, I can only hope that more of these types of cars are preserved and not banned outright in the near future. The all electric push is depressing though perhaps a necessity, there's the controversy about the energy used in producing them and exporting/transporting them for sale. Tighter emissions laws for MOT I can see the sense in, versus outright bans.
Such an interesting race to see! Must watch video
Bathurst 1000 Pole Times
1973 John Goss Ford Falcon XA-GT *2min 33.4*
1974 Peter Brock Holden Torana SL/R 5000 L34 *2min 30.8*
1975 Colin Bond Holden Torana SL/R 5000 L34 *2min 27.4*
1976 Allan Moffat Ford Falcon XB-GT *2min 25.0*
1977 Peter Brock Holden Torana LX A9X *2min 24.1*
1978 Peter Brock Holden Torana LX A9X *2min 20.006*
1979 Peter Brock Holden Torana LX A9X *2min 20.500*
1980 Kevin Bartlett Chev Camaro Z28 *2min 20.972*
1981 Kevin Bartlett Chev Camaro Z28 *2min 36.432* (wet)
1982 Allan Grice Holden Commodore VH SS *2min 17.501*
1983 Peter Brock Holden Commodore VH SS *2min16.270*
1984 George Fury Nissan Bluebird Turbo *2min 13.850*
1985 Tom Walkinshaw Jaguar XJ-S *2min18.822*
1986 Gary Scott Nissan Skyline DR30 RS *2min17.159*
1987 Klaus Ludwig Ford Sierra RS500 *2min 16.969*
1988 Klaus Neidzweidz Ford Sierra RS500 *2min 18.24*
1989 Peter Brock Ford Sierra RS500 *2min 15.80*
1990 Klaus Neidzweidz Ford Sierra RS500 *2min 13.94*
1991 Mark Skaife Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R *2min 12.630*
1992 Dick Johnson Ford Sierra RS500 *2min 12.898*
1993 Larry Perkins Holden Commodore VP *2min 13.013*
1994 Glenn Seton Ford Falcon EB *2min 12.1464*
1995 Craig Lowndes Holden Commodore VR *2min11:5540*
1996 Glenn Seton Ford Falcon EF *2min11.0160*
1997 Paul Morris BMW 320i *2min 16.5958*
1998 Rickard Rydell Volvo S40 *2min 14.9265*
1999 Mark Larkham Ford Falcon AU *2min 09.5146*
2000 Wayne Gardner Ford Falcon AU *2min 28.3844* (wet)
2001 Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon AU *2min 09.7785*
2002 Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VX *2min 08.8278*
*2003 Greg Murphy Holden Commodore* VY *2min 06.8594*
2004 Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY *2min 07.9611*
2005 Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA *2min 08.5990*
2006 Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ *2min 07.4221*
2007 Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BF *2min 07.0908*
2008 Garth Tander Holden Commodore VE *2min 07.2693*
2009 Garth Tander Holden Commodore VE *2min 07.9463*
2010 Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon FG *2min 07.5377*
2011 Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VE *2min 08.8009*
2012 Will Davidson Ford Falcon FG *2min 08.0693*
2013 Jamie Whincup Holden Commodore VF *2min 07.8825*
2014 Shane van Gisbergen Holden Commodore VF *2min 06.3267*
2015 David Reynolds Ford Falcon FG X *2min 27.8201* (wet)
2016 Jamie Whincup Holden Commodore VF *2min 05.4263*
2017 Scott McLaughlin Ford Falcon FG X *2min 03.8312*
2018 David Reynolds Holden Commodore ZB *2min 04.0589*
2019 Chaz Mostert Ford Mustang GT *2min 03.7897*
2020 Cam Waters Ford Mustang GT *2min 03.5592*
2021 Chaz Mostert Holden Commodore ZB *2min 03.3736*
This trhack is amazing.
Did the GTR have 4 wheel drive though? I read somewhere that it was driven in rear drive only.
It was only a few years later, i stopped watching these races- around the EL Flacon period.
I miss the various cars that raced back then- everything from a Corlla to a GTR
I missed this race 1992 stuck in the airport 🛫
Here we see how fast the rs500 truly was. The only thing beating it was the awd Godzilla
Did the Gtr have twin turbo set up for the races?^
Yep
love that battle, awesome cars
After the R32 passed the Sierra, it seems the Sierra was still keeping pace with the skyline in wet conditions.
So it's either the Attesa Ets wasn't as powerful of an advantage guys make it out to be, or the Sierra's driver was goddamn good.
The driver is Dick Johnson isn't it? So a goddamn good driver for sure!
THE GTR was severely hobbled and penalised in 92...it was Boost restricted, rev limited and almost 100kg of ballast in the boot ...watch a 91 season of THE ATCC or the 91 Bathurst and its obvious how much it was hobbled...at one stage Richards and Johnson had a drag race up the mountain and the GTR just walked away effortlessly from Johnsons Sierra
Miss this
Do the Nissan ‘s have 4wd?
that's a tough course, much respect!
I can still remember seeing my first Sierra RS Cosworth in 1987 on a D plate in white owned by the Corona pop rep who visited all the local shops where I grew up as a kid. Ford actually sold them for a fiver under 20k so they could be purchased as a reps car if I’m not mistaken...
I recall Dick Johnson coming over to Silverstone in his red Sierra and wiping the floor against our touring cars! or was it a dream?
Did the water pump not fail ?
So it was Johnson's mechanics who where wiping the floor or mopping it
1988 Tourist Trophy wasn't it?
Put his car on pole ahead of Rouse and the Eggenberger Sierras.
Yeah he did. He put it on pole and was leading by the length of the straight when they came in for a pit stop and the water pump failed. They got it fixed but he was out of contention by then. Didn't really matter, the point had been proved. DJR built the fastest Sierras on the planet. Dick said in his book he had been screwed over by Rouse in the early days of the Sierras development in Australia, which prompted him to develop the car himself in house. He took great delight in thrashing the British cars.
Testament to how good they were is Cosworth have one of Dick's cars in their display rooms as an example of the best of its type. That says something.
@@woopimagpie I disagree Allan Moffats were faster then Dicks but he had alot more bad luck with overheating turbos and engines
Back when Bathurst was friggin awesome. Before all the stupid regulations
You can hear every single other car reving hard, but not the gtr, what a restrected engine sounds.
Very intense its 1am and I'm pumped feeling that gtr was fairytale, just not possible.
These are Group A cars, right? So are these the DTM cars? Or what series is this?
Group A.
DTM was similar in these years, but with different boost limits, air restrictors, minimum weights, tyre widths etc.
Ok thank you
Watch the GTR in 1991 without the restrictions. Far more impressive.
GTR fanboi's, GTR fanboi's everywhere...
2:08 is that an AE86 Levin?
Both of those cars put a tingle in my dingle.
Racing Sport at it finest time
What a treat! Why did I think the sierra was awd as well?
2019 > an RS500 in mind condition will cost you 75.000 Euro !
One for sale at 110k
"Beautiful race"👏👏👏...
Godzilla at its finest 🔥🔥
As advanced as modern touring cars may be in comparison - this looks damn fast...
Essentially the Sierra was a follow on from the Cortina many parts were similar, the Cosworth engine was based on a 2ltr Cortina/Sierra engine block with a fancy 16V head and a turbo charger , Dick Johnson,s cars had in excess of 650hp ( and said that more was possible, if not for exhaust restrictions ) the Dick Johnson Sierra,s were the fastest Sierra,s in the world, 17 & 18 ended in the UK BTCC.
Actually the Cortina was a 1600cc Lotus engine built off of the Kent Crossflow. The Sierra was built off of the Ford Pinto 205 Block with Cosworth designed internals and head.
@@nickmendez3707 2 litre pinto's were in the Escort rs 2000!
@@petergordon4525 yes and Cosworth took the standard 205 Pinto block and designed their own twin cam head
@@nickmendez3707 I know mate, I've had a 4x4 Sapphire for 21 years, fantastic engine!
@@nickmendez3707 the lotus cortina had a twincam 1600 yes but mk3 cortina to mk5 cortina the gt/2000e/ghia/ had 1.6 or 2.0 pinto options aswel as a 1300 x flow and 2.3 cologne v6
Is it Mount Panorama or Bathurst ?
Mount Panorama is in a Town called Bathurst
@@user-fx2sh6pk9u Thx for that !
TCM, GT3 and even the kiwis central muscle cars are the only categories worth watching these days.
Sierra is a 4cilinder with rearwheel drive nissan is 6 cilinder with fourwheeldrive i think the sierra is not doing so bad at all
Those turbo'd Sierras had a torque curve like Mt Everest
@@68404 yes a s awd is not the best way on any place(like straights
Bah. The GTR had 40kg penalty, boost restriction, ride height restriction and splitter restrictions to slow it down. Yet it still beat the cosworths.
@@weallfollowmanutd i can tell you now that the 2.0L cosworth if unrestricted would be very OP...lol
@@symmbias3752 it would be, however the GTR had many more restrictions than the Cosworth, Which was the point I was making.
The era When the Hunters (F&H) became the "Hunted"
Crikey, where are the dinosaurs? ...oh, they're in Jurrasic world V8 supercars now. ...lol.
This is the moment that Godzilla killed the king and became the legend it is today
Treacherous conditions sloping turns. Aero dynamic passing still works.
I like the Toyota at 2.10sec..best car on the track that day...😎
The Skyline GTR got 'Nutered' just so the Competition could Compete with it- it had to carry more weight & Lower Boost Psi
-It was Decades Ahead of the V8's Tecnology Wise! The Sierra must have had Similar Power : Weight to stay ahead of the GTR which was Handicapped!! -Cheers👍
It's only fair to handi cap the gtr with all the advantages it has over the other cars
So cool to watch.
2wd Sierra put up a great fight against the awd gtr in the wet. ..big respect 👍
Now I feel like a cigarette.
This clip reminds me when the aging Ford escort was dueling the new Audi quattro in the rally scene, the car was spectacular to watch but of course it isn't that competitive anymore
Turn captions on, quite funny
Someone, remind me please the name of this track!
Mount Panorama Circuit, colloquially known as Bathurst.
BATHURST 1000
HOLYSHIT THAT SIERRA HAD SOME BOOGIE, holden didnt have shit....even to this day BAAHAHAHAHA
Honestly, it makes me glad that "car brand xenophobia" isn't just isolated to the US. Seems like you Aussies have that issue too according to these comments.
Yeah us Aussies have been having this "issue" for decades....
...what i can say for sure is, this seems to be more entertaining than now days F1 and rest of the racing circus..
Beautifuk clip..
if anyone has the first victory of r32 please send me link or answer me.thanks!!!
yep i have it
michael scurr well are you gonna send it?
Two car that weren't available in America - F-Yeah
1:43 "And look at this dick..." Not the right place, Mike Raymond, to be pausing.
2.6 litre, six cylinder, twin turbo, 4 wheel drive vs 2 litre 4 cylinder single turbo RWD.
Add a wet track....
You also need to remember the Skyline was a much newer car. Technology moves on.
Proper touring cars.