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Per NHL Stats, the #mnwild became the first team since #lakings vs. Boston on Oct. 28, 2017 to pull their goalie in OT (not on a delayed penalty) and score - Russo
This was the first time I’ve seen it live, though. Crazy.
Yes, I remember this. Obviously, the biggest difference was the risk factor. The Kings did so with under a second left in the overtime period, compared to the minute and a half that was left in the Wild game. Awesome to see.
And Alex Faust called THAT game, too--he was the Kings PXP announcer that year
But yeah, that goalie pull was with 0.9 left. This one came with less than 100 seconds left. WOW
the kings had less than 1 second left in OT though, making this truly the only successful natural OT goalie pull
Hynes was in his Roy bag for pulling the goalie
bro really did Sergei Fedorov
It's worth noting that a caveat to rule 84.2 exists where if the goalie is pulled due to a delayed penalty and scores an own goal the team still gets the loser point. This rule is purely for teams being extra aggressive, not for teams making typical plays and messing up.
@@hockeyaddict7007No. An additional part of rule 84.2 states that:
"Once the goalkeeper has been removed for an extra attacker in overtime during the regular-season, he must wait for the next stoppage of play before returning to his position. He cannot change “on the fly.” If he does, a bench minor penalty shall be assessed for having an ineligible player."
@@hockeyaddict7007 You're welcome.
I was listening to this on the radio, and I heard the play by play guys baffled... no penalty. Then 15 seconds later, they scored.... gutsy call by the coach... awesome!
But will not help them to
Wild will not make Playoff
Teams in play are Kings and Knights .Don't think they can get ahead of Preds
@@goenzoy712 But being a professional, he had to do it... has nothing to lose.
BTW.... I'm neither Preds or Wild fan, I was bored and couldn't get it on TV. Listened to it on radio, Wild announcers are great.
Maybe I was in a good mood because my Oilers won.
@@Siggi395actually they got the losers point to lose here. Quite a lot of risk but it worked so well done!
@@Taubogason.40 yeah... I didn't realize they don't get a point if the Preds score.... wonder if Hynes knew that.
@@Siggi395 saw another comment say that they'll probably need to win like 13+ out of their 18 (17 after yesterday) games for the playoffs. Might be why he took that risk. Being 6 points behind Vegas, 9 behind Predators for wildcard spot with 17 games to go needs risky decisions
That was absolutely... WILD!
I remember that LAK pulled the goalie at Boston in 2017 I believe.. it was OT with 0.3 on the clock and they scored, wild game (it was on a FO in the offensive zone).
Nobody can ever say that John Hynes don’t got moxie again.
I've seen this before. In 1990, the Flyers were on the brink of finishing last for the first time in franchise history. In the final game of the season and trailing the Penguins by a point but if they tie in points the Flyers would finish ahead based on head to head record. They went to overtime in the last game of the season and in the final minute they pulled the goalie. The game ended in a tie and they finished last.
Hynes has balls of _________
kryptonium?
Pee
Steel
Long time Fan, first time commenting
Hynes had nothing to lose, the Wild have to win 15 of their last 17 games
To make the playoffs, still a gutsy call,
On another point,
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It happens in KHL quite often now. In only 5 times in a past 2 season that I went to a hockey game, my team managed to score a goal like this and lost once while goalie was on the bench 🥹 Love and hate it in the same time tbh
Patrick Roy thinking "Why didn't I think of that?"
Bro I was watching live I knew exactly what was happening
I’m a Ducks fan I was watching this game on espn + and was in shock like that’s gutsy I tip my hat to the Wild head coach
I feel like this has definitely happened at least once before, but I could just be gaslighting myself.
It's been over 6 years since this happened
@@michaelkeller5927I knew it did though, I just couldn't recall when. I see the top comment here says Kings vs Bruins.
I didn't know about this rule, but it makes sense. Without it teams would do this all the time. Thanks.
As a wild fan I love that move as there is really nothing to lose. If you wanna get to playoffs you need every point, shootout is always a bit of a cointoss.. if it didn’t work out, then it really doesn’t matter if it’s 1 or 0 points, it would pretty much still ended dreams for playoffs
It's also noteworthy that they did it to the preds who are of course a current wildcard competitor. I like that aspect a lot but haven't seen anyone point it out yet
I’m not a wild fan but I grew up as a wingnut in the 90s and 2000s and so I was a big fan of Sergei Fedorov. I knew all about how he did this in KHL and so the second you talked about pulling the goalie. That’s where my mind went so I think it’s a gutsy move and we’ll see how it changes overtime going forward!
Also in that note, if a team has an extra player on the ice then icing should automatically be waved off.
Waved off for the shorthanded team. The one with the goalie in net
Lmao i explained the ot rules to my wife about the point at end of regulation time weather you win or loose and the first words she said is " awww participation trophies in the NHL" lmao
This is not the first time Marc-Andre Fleury was involved in something like this!
In 2002, in the QMJHL, the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles pulled Fleury for overtime during their final regular season game against the Halifax Mooseheads. They were tied in points, but Halifax held the tiebreaker, so a loss changed nothing. The Eagles needed that 2nd point to finish ahead of Halifax. It was made known through the broadcast in overtime that if Halifax scored with the Eagles' net empty, the Eagles would lose the point they earned for tying.
The game ended tied anyways.
I'd like to see the rule about forfeiting the extra point in case of being scored on with goalie pulled in OT removed. If you're willing to take the risk, then you should be allowed to do it without the disincentive. As it stands, what would happen if both teams pulled their goalies and played 4x4? It's a ridiculous scenario, but possible.
Great Video
4v3 is WAY more of an advantage than 5v4. However i had no idea about that rule. Makes sense going for it if you have possession and there's a minute left. You can control the play till the buzzer, only going for high quality shots.
I saw this a few times, but not with this many games left in the season. I've seen it on the last day or the last few days of the season where a team would've been eliminated if they didn't win
I think i have seen this before, but it was back in the day of 4 on 4 ot and no shootouts. and in game 82 they ( i think it was the islanders) needed 2 points to make the playoffs.
Weird, a couple weeks ago I was just thinking if it was worth it to try once.
I was freaking out. The Wild are showing a ton of fight and are going to fight till they are eliminated or do the unthinkable and make the playoffs
If Minnesota makes the playoffs by one point, coach deserves a bonus.
the forfeiting the loser point predates 3v3 ot
Let’s go Wild!
The rule about forfeiting your ot point actually predates 3on3 in the nhl. Iirc it comes from like the early 2000s when the kings needed 2 pts to make the playoffs and so they didnt mind potentially throwing the game by pulling goalie in OT because they needed a full win or nothing mattered anyway.
Also there is a rule that states once the goalie is pulled in OT he cannot be put back in. Can’t remember for sure though if that is still a valid rule
The Wild need to stop waiting till the end of season to play competitive hockey
that game was a rough watch
I would bet on the other team getting a empty net goal any day.
LA did it against Boston a while ago but LA got scored on, thus losing the extra point.
LA did it against Boston in 2017 and scored, not Boston. Dont think its happened in an LA/Bos game other than that incident.
I forget what year it was, but the Cunucks did it during the last game of the season and ended up losing their point.
i’m an islanders fan, obviously i could see patrick roy trying this. but dear god please don’t let this become a thing, my anxiety couldn’t handle it
Actually Patrick Roy did pull the goalie a few times in Colorado. Usually in the 3rd with more than 5 minutes remaining. Hopefully he doesn't do that again. Sometimes it worked other times nope.
I personally would never pull my goalie in a situation where one goal will end it.
Neither would I, but they needed the extra point, nothing to lose
I will try to make this short.. in 1970, the Canadiens needed 5 goals to make it into the playoffs (win or lose).... played the whole third period without a goalie, Chicago won big... I believe 13-2.
We might just see a new trend
Pretty ballsy
Never heard that rule! Weird. I guess there are some teams that will kill you in the shootout so maybe you just go for it? Seems too risky. Best to play it safe and keep the one point. I wonder about having a 3 point system for regulation wins? Too many are happy to drag the game into extra innings, but if there were an incentive for winning in 60 minutes, many more teams would make the game very interesting.
tbh I have to give minnisota credit for playing relatively well despite having 14mil in dead cap
I remember hearing somewhere that if you pull your goalie in OT you don’t get a point if you lose, what a gamble.
Yeah you mentioned it in the vid I see now, commented before watching lmao.
If Minnesota makes the playoffs this will be the decision to remember.
Feels like maybe I've seen this one other time years ago but it's no surprise that team would generally want to get that point.
It's happened 3 times before, Kings were the only team successful at it but did it with only 1 second left, the other two led to empty netters
If this backfired then there is no way Jon Hynes has a job tomorrow
There's balls and then there's this
Maybe unpopular, but 3v3 is already Boring enough with teams almost refusing to try scoring because failed scoring attempt usually leads to 2-1 to your own zone, that we dont really need teams creating free powerplays of that posession risk free. Losing point is good trade Off if you fk up
29/94 3m
I want to say it was a stupid move, but it worked, so I guess I can't. He trusted his guys, and they got the job done
Nah still stupid just got lucky
Interesting
Why would the NHL have that rule for overtime? It's stupid, you should be aloud to pull your goalie in overtime without being punished.
Well, shouldn't it work out that the Preds don't get points? Like you know what I mean? If you have a chance to get no points then it's like taking the point from the other team
I'm betting Buffalo tries this and fails.
I see so many people confused about why the rule about losing the OT point if you pull your goalie and get scored on exists but I really don't know why they would be. The reason you don't pull your goalie in regulation outside of the last few minutes when down by a goal is because the 6 on 5 man advantage is not nearly great enough to be worth the risk of an empty net, whereas in OT the 4 on 3 man advantage is much much bigger especially with the long change, so if the rule didn't exist then every single team that won the opening faceoff would just pull their goalie and play 4 on 3 which would be completely unfair, it's like OT in football you're basically deciding the outcome of the game on a coin toss (faceoff) and whoever wins has a much greater chance to win.
This makes no sense and there is no evidence to support it. Empty nets in ALL situations have a huge statistical advantage for the team that HAS their goalie. The opposite of what you are claiming.
@@grizz6582 have you ever watched a powerplay in OT?
@@Hi_Flyers Powerplays in OT are operated WITH a goalie
Still doesn’t make sense to me. Imagine the last game of the regular season and securing a wildcard or getting better seeding depends on getting 2 points in OT. You want to go for it and pull the goalie to win but can’t because getting scored on and losing the tie point has implications. It’s a dumb rule.
@@wongkevinlWhy wouldn't you pull the goalie in OT in that situation? If not getting the ROW results in missing the playoffs then you don't care about missing out on the loser point...a goal allowed with the goalie in net and a goal allowed with the goalie pulled both result in you missing the playoffs. In fact it could potentially help your team out (finishing 1 spot out of the playoffs gives you the 16th pick, maybe avoiding the loser point puts you up to pick 14 or 15 and if you're not in the playoffs draft order is the only difference).
I'm a Sharks fan and every game I've been to in the last 2 years that's gone to overtime I've only partly jokingly yelled for the coach to pull the goalie to avoid the loser point. Of course the league would have a problem with it if a team that was clearly tanking started doing it.
I’ve seen it but never in the NHL
This is some IIHF stuff right here. Yea dont think ive ever seen this in the NHL. Maybe if a team needed 2 points in their last game of the season its happened before, but definitely not this early
Stupid rule. Bold move.
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thats why 3 on 3 should stop and make it 4 on 3 for the home team (if they choose pp over pk )if they choose pp and they dont score then the visiters win two points, this would open up 5 on 3 late in overtime as well. home team will likely choose pk and visiters will have to score and they will possibly have to go on a 5 on 3 to win. clearing the puck would get the loudest cheers from home fans.
That rule is so dumb.
i think by the NHL rules if the wild were to concede on that empty net they would then lose point they would get for going to OT
Holy Clickbait. 3on3 OT has been going on what 12 minutes in the life of the NHL. Hyperbole at it's finest
What a cringe rule though lol
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First time
There's a rule that says there is a minor penalty when a goalie crosses the center ice line and participates in the play in any manner. What's the definition of "in any matter". One could argue that coming to the bench to facilitate another team mate entering the game and participating in the play is "in any matter". Nashville should have challenged the obvious missed call and forced the league to define this stupid ass rule.
What a dumb rule
Great move .... extremely stupid rule !!! Anything is better than the the pathetic shootouts
This is totally bulshit next 5 years no more nhl hockey
The funny thing is if they didn’t score they would have forfitted the point
It happens a lot end of seasons. It happened so Often which is why the rule you mentioned was in place in the first place.
It makes sense. Probably should research before posting this click bait.
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Not sure why this surprises anyone. Minnesota needed the extra point to remain in contention for a playoff spot. They need to gain ground whenever they can.