I hope one day the Vangina gets a bulkhead. Roll without one for a while and you forget about em. They're life savers though, especially considering most motorists you encounter drive poorly.
I appreciate the videos brother! You are helping guys like myself who are considering moving from residential to commercial refrigeration get a sneak peak of what it's like. I also have learned a few things also. Thanks again!
Not sure if you heard about United Refrigeration, but they have similar motor like that one for about $100 or maybe a little more, pay less make more , great video like always 🤟
Good vid. Only 2.5 years old. True warranty’s those motors for 3 years. Should be under warranty. I stayed till end of video. Good tip. $100.00 motor. True warranty now is 3 years parts and labor. And bev air. All the big boys are 3 yrs P & L now. All parts. 5 yr compressor.
I'm trying to get my foot in the door in this industry. Wish that I could follow you around for a couple of months and try to learn half as much as you've forgotten. Thank you for sharing your knowledge...
In Europe, we use those 10w aluminium fan motors, on everything. I'm have not seen anything blow up yet. Maybe not up to code. But it will work. Even manufacturers use them here,
Morril Motors just closed their facility in Erwin Tennessee a couple of years ago. That's only a 30-minute drive down the road from me. But at least they still make motors, and at that price you can afford to order a spare to keep on the truck.
Hi Dave, Great video. I have the Equipment, meaning gauges and Gas Leak Detector and even a couple of 290 cylinders but have not got into a 290 system as yet. I’ve watched the 290 Training Video’s several times. All replacement parts must be O.E.M. , no wire nuts, when finished Servicing a Refrigeration System problem, you cannot leave Process Tube access etc. Seems like this procedure can be dangerous and time consuming, but I guess we’ll see. We do have choices, one of which is “Get on the Train, or get RUN over”. Looking forward to your Video on how you deal with 290 Systems Work. Take Care Bud.
I did a little research on that motor. Looks like you can sub that out to the Mars Azure motor, 10891. Around $70 at my local supply house, or around 101 on supply house. I've never tried one, but you can get a little programmer for them too for quite a reasonable price, and do things like reverse the rotation, or adjust the speed if you want. Standard is 1550 rpm, and CWLE rotation like the that one that died.
you can get the detailed specs from the mars delivers website. Says replaces all of these: Century/AO Smith 9207F2, 9208F2, 9211,9213 US Motors/Emerson EC5411D,EC5412D Hussman 4410547 Morrill 5R999 Other All standard watt motors 4 -25W
In any place but especially a food establishment I recommend a bit of wetting of the coil before you blow it out. The water will hold the dust yet you can still blow the dust out. You don't need to soak the condenser just wet it, both sides. Then you can blow out the condenser and then follow with cleaner which should remove grease from the coil. Whatever was stuck in that coil (grease, dust, rat poison, bug poison) is now in your lungs and now on every surface in the kitchen. No Bueno. Wetting the coil prior to cleaning will also make your coil cleaning job easier, and more effective, and faster, and the mess easier to cleanup. Good vid as always. The fan MTR is the same as your drill MTR.
@@hvac01453 So you are encapsulating the dust in the wet rag. It would be better to encapsulate the dust in water and then catch it in a wet rag. When it is a dust it is available for inhalation and the rag may not be a perfect catcher for the dust. A Soapy water is a great way to encapsulate the dust. Just a few squirts from a bottle of soapy water and the hazard goes way down. The real hazard is that the unit would be running when the exterminator is doing his thing, so the dust is full of rat poison and bug spray.
Hi, Dave,thank you for another useful video. How about to make one about how to start your own business? Your experience? How to find customers? Pros and cons?
I go 134a swap over if I change comp and yes a 134a length capillary Just find then you can get away with a slightly higher head pressure if the cond is slightly under sized which some seem to be to me
Just a brushless motor. Board they use are sensitive to high amp draw. The motor windings don’t care. Crazy what they want for them. It’s old tech at this point.
Yo bro now that I found you and a couple other guys on the tube I'll always watch this is way better than the housewives of garbage!! I LOVE THIS STUFF !!! 🍺🍺🍺🥃🥃🍇🏌 STAY SAFE. HAPPY FOURTH. RETIRED(WERK'N) KEYBOARD SUPER TECH. WEAR YOUR SAFETY GLASSES. I SEE YOU PUT KNEE PADS ON!😂😂🤣👍
I use hog hair air filter Merv 6 to prevent this type of problem. I get it from Grainger . There number is 54FF12. It works great for me!. Cut it with quality shears to custom fit condenser area.
Hey if the customer wants me to wait while they clean the floor on a holiday when I'm getting paid double time.......yeah that's cool! Hey is anyone else getting a bunch of warranty calls on R290 units that were just delivered only to find them flat on charge? I've had a bunch, and it always seems to be a leak in the process tube. R290 + torch = scared guy at the factory 🙄
I think the whole spark proof thing is hilarious. I can't tell you how many of those condenser motors I have had catch on fire. I am pretty sure it didn't spark while it was on fire
$300 for a condenser fan motor (looks like an EC style, electronically driven perm magnets), that is nuts! What's laughable is the electronics in those probably have a higher risk of sparking than a regular induction motor where all you have is a similar coil and a sealed thermal overload...
hola ,cuando la bobina del condensador están demasiado sucias y por ende el motor de fan trabaja constantemente y sin descaso por eso se debilita o se desgasta , siempre lo tomas como regla general el cambio del motor fan ``
I worked on development on similar motor. Seems that they used darker conformal coating (printed circuit board lacquer). To me looked that bearing were damaged from overheating not the electronics. Can you remove the rotor and take out the PCB? Magnets are sensitive to overheating but in this case rotor looked healty.
with very plugged condenser, the only "cooling" airflow the fan motor seen was a tiny amount of scorching hot condenser air, which heated it to electronics meltdown temperatures. I'm guessing if we could see the circuit board up close on both sides, there'd be an open fuse, solder melted and components lifted or one that flat exploded.
I have a question for you though Dave. What coil cleaner do you use to melt the solidified au jus they build up in hot greasy kitchens that are going full tilt from morning prep till closing? I ask because I spent 5 hours on top of a box and ended up using an entire gallon of nu-brite and I can't count how many gallons of rinse water which I had to shop vac up as I went.
@@raviyadav8743 Me too, because a lot of these mexican restaurants have the good stuff they buy it by the 4 gallon case. Just ask one of the cooks or dishwasher for some "ácido" :)
Great bang for buck. The bags are 3500$ no BS. Down side 107 vs 114 single front brake on sport glide. But the money you save get a torque cam installed and it will fly.
Isn't it funny it's a requirement for spark proof motors etc, and I get it, especially because it's right at the source. But alot of these units are installed in a commercial kitchen with several burners and pilot lights going all day/ night. It should be a requirement of how close you can put these to an open source flame. What's doubly funny, ive seen these things sitting right next to an old girl, condensing units side by side, there ain't no flame proof motors in those old girls. Food for thought.
then get some.. will be the future and already has been for many years in other parts of the world.. an no, we don´t have refrigeration stuff exploding every day
@@bobl78 I don't think the "natural" refrigerants are going to take off on the states like they have elsewhere. Daikin has put a lot of money into getting manufacturers to transition to r32 instead of 410a/134a in residential applications that had begun switching to "natural" refrigerants.
@@The98deville in Europe in the last 30 years every fridge and freezer has been using R600a… portable A/c units are R290 since a few years. Small to medium sized mini splits are R32a. Larger A/C systems still use conventional refrigerants. and heat pump dryers are still R134a… I‘m curious what they will use there as R134a is in phase out in Europe
@@The98deville I guess GE Amana and Fridgidaire must've had some reason to switch away from the natural refrigerants they had begun switching to. Maybe they remembered that compressors don't like to run in a vacuum.
have to meet the efficiency standard green lies. only thing they've managed to do is efficiently fill landfills with early failure garbage, emit more pollution overall both from manufacturing, disposal and repairs. lol, but heaven forbid someone tries to point out the "big picture" issues
wow....dave uses nitrogen to clean out a coil...that is a first 😂 😂. parts town sells all those OEM parts...list price was $583....if you have an account they give you a discount
Dave's the only person who
Will give away them tips , absolute legend 💪🤜🤛
You should call the R290 units Hank Hill Specials. Those propane accessories (in this case the condenser fan motors) are pretty expensive.
😂😭😂😭😂
I hope one day the Vangina gets a bulkhead. Roll without one for a while and you forget about em. They're life savers though, especially considering most motorists you encounter drive poorly.
I appreciate the videos brother! You are helping guys like myself who are considering moving from residential to commercial refrigeration get a sneak peak of what it's like. I also have learned a few things also. Thanks again!
Your welcome
Thanks for actually talking about some cost breakdown.
Not sure if you heard about United Refrigeration, but they have similar motor like that one for about $100 or maybe a little more, pay less make more , great video like always 🤟
Thanks for the tips Dave.
Good vid. Only 2.5 years old. True warranty’s those motors for 3 years. Should be under warranty.
I stayed till end of video. Good tip. $100.00 motor.
True warranty now is 3 years parts and labor.
And bev air. All the big boys are 3 yrs P & L now. All parts. 5 yr compressor.
Thanks Dave love all your videos!!
Love the Gordon Gekko/Pat Riley look. Great video n information. Thanks n happy 4th of July !!
Never heard of that kind of motor, thanks good info Dave.
Good tip on motor replace thx Dave!
Good deal 👌👍👏.
I like to use the new milwaukee battery vacuum to take those coats off on evaps and condenser coils.
👍again.
Happy 4th
Thanks for the tip!
Love your work Dave
Thank you
Happy 4th to ya Dave. Keep finding them Lurkers 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thanks Mr. Dave! 👍. Happy 4th! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
thanks for the info dave,happy forth.
I'm trying to get my foot in the door in this industry. Wish that I could follow you around for a couple of months and try to learn half as much as you've forgotten. Thank you for sharing your knowledge...
Great video as always. I loved the Farris Bueller ending ;-)
In Europe, we use those 10w aluminium fan motors, on everything. I'm have not seen anything blow up yet. Maybe not up to code. But it will work. Even manufacturers use them here,
Nice find Dave!!! Enjoy whats left of the July 4th holiday!
Put a 404a compressor on a failed r290 system. Works awesome!!!
Bet you used the same cap tube or same meeting device 😀.
It will work, question is for how long. Need to take in account the mineral oil in the compressor.
@@sjefoekel6058 I know people that have done it and units are still going after couple years 🤷🏻♂️🤭
@@philltafolla +1
@@sjefoekel6058 POE
Awesome. Thanks Dave. Here in Louisiana it rains every day around this time of the year so it's hard sometimes to take out my Harley
I get that. California has no rain anymore it’s nuts.
Love sply hs. Another great vid. You rock. Hopefully California opened up a little. Happy 4th.🤙🏽Aloha
What a gorgeous view there in nor-cal!!!
👍Wow Dave,, that's crazy price dude...
Thanks for your information on pricing
Morril Motors just closed their facility in Erwin Tennessee a couple of years ago. That's only a 30-minute drive down the road from me. But at least they still make motors, and at that price you can afford to order a spare to keep on the truck.
Hi Dave, Great video. I have the Equipment, meaning gauges and Gas Leak Detector and even a couple of 290 cylinders but have not got into a 290 system as yet. I’ve watched the 290 Training Video’s several times. All replacement parts must be O.E.M. , no wire nuts, when finished Servicing a Refrigeration System problem, you cannot leave Process Tube access etc. Seems like this procedure can be dangerous and time consuming, but I guess we’ll see. We do have choices, one of which is “Get on the Train, or get RUN over”. Looking forward to your Video on how you deal with 290 Systems Work. Take Care Bud.
Super easy ur a weenie
R290 parts are Expensive , especially True . Happy 4th Dave !!!
I did a little research on that motor. Looks like you can sub that out to the Mars Azure motor, 10891. Around $70 at my local supply house, or around 101 on supply house. I've never tried one, but you can get a little programmer for them too for quite a reasonable price, and do things like reverse the rotation, or adjust the speed if you want. Standard is 1550 rpm, and CWLE rotation like the that one that died.
you can get the detailed specs from the mars delivers website. Says replaces all of these:
Century/AO Smith 9207F2, 9208F2, 9211,9213
US Motors/Emerson EC5411D,EC5412D
Hussman 4410547
Morrill 5R999
Other All standard watt motors 4 -25W
In any place but especially a food establishment I recommend a bit of wetting of the coil before you blow it out. The water will hold the dust yet you can still blow the dust out. You don't need to soak the condenser just wet it, both sides. Then you can blow out the condenser and then follow with cleaner which should remove grease from the coil. Whatever was stuck in that coil (grease, dust, rat poison, bug poison) is now in your lungs and now on every surface in the kitchen. No Bueno. Wetting the coil prior to cleaning will also make your coil cleaning job easier, and more effective, and faster, and the mess easier to cleanup. Good vid as always. The fan MTR is the same as your drill MTR.
I use a large wet rag to catch the dust around the coil, I also sometimes run the shop vac with a large hose in there.
@@hvac01453 So you are encapsulating the dust in the wet rag. It would be better to encapsulate the dust in water and then catch it in a wet rag. When it is a dust it is available for inhalation and the rag may not be a perfect catcher for the dust. A Soapy water is a great way to encapsulate the dust. Just a few squirts from a bottle of soapy water and the hazard goes way down. The real hazard is that the unit would be running when the exterminator is doing his thing, so the dust is full of rat poison and bug spray.
Nice video. Just ordered a few things from them myself should be here in a day or two.
Cool vid Dave
Spark proof everything and then connect into wago bouquet and defeat the whole purpose lol.
Happy 4tth Dave!!
Pluggobuggo mamximus
Thanks for the video….👍
My pleasure
Hi, Dave,thank you for another useful video. How about to make one about how to start your own business? Your experience? How to find customers? Pros and cons?
Happy 4th Dave!!
Wow that was big $$$ Nice find, I wonder what the compressor cost. Happy 4th
now it looks like a proper work van. perfectly arranged spotless means you have too much time on your hands lol
just put a universal condensator fan motor 10W in there.
Exactly
Great content
Thanks Eric
Good thinking Dave on making sure you used the spark free brushless fuel impact so you don’t spark off the 5.25 oz of fairy dust
Good catch
In Louisiana I use parts town a lot. That's the going price, but your right with your tip of the day. Research brother. Lol
What parish are you in Jessie? Im in Jefferson parish and where is parts town or is that a site that you use
Thanks for the video! Can you show a close up of the wire connector? Thanks
That little motor reminds me of a girl I use to date ... She was expensive too Super Dave ... Lol ...Good vid ... Good tip by the way ...
Pay to play 🤘⚡️🤘😭😂😭😂😭😂
I go 134a swap over if I change comp and yes a 134a length capillary
Just find then you can get away with a slightly higher head pressure if the cond is slightly under sized which some seem to be to me
Just a brushless motor. Board they use are sensitive to high amp draw. The motor windings don’t care. Crazy what they want for them. It’s old tech at this point.
So kids, what have we learned to day???
Never clean the floor before the tech is done working👍
Thanks for the video and the channel😘
Yes ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Yo bro now that I found you and a couple other guys on the tube I'll always watch this is way better than the housewives of garbage!!
I LOVE THIS STUFF !!!
🍺🍺🍺🥃🥃🍇🏌
STAY SAFE.
HAPPY FOURTH.
RETIRED(WERK'N) KEYBOARD SUPER TECH.
WEAR YOUR SAFETY GLASSES.
I SEE YOU PUT KNEE PADS ON!😂😂🤣👍
Ive had the temperature control on the 2door fail a lot... Costs 173.00 to replace plus labor
I use hog hair air filter Merv 6 to prevent this type of problem. I get it from Grainger . There number is 54FF12. It works great for me!. Cut it with quality shears to custom fit condenser area.
You can use a Mars 10891 motor
spark proof -yeah
Happy Independence Day Guru! Celebrate hard. Up here in Canada they want to cancel Canada Day.
We are wide open even in California
Those spark proof motors don't seem to last.
We can get pattern part versions here so only about $40!
Hey if the customer wants me to wait while they clean the floor on a holiday when I'm getting paid double time.......yeah that's cool! Hey is anyone else getting a bunch of warranty calls on R290 units that were just delivered only to find them flat on charge? I've had a bunch, and it always seems to be a leak in the process tube. R290 + torch = scared guy at the factory 🙄
Lol... I know your not supposed to leave the stub but the headache I had charging one (scissor didn't punch the can correctly)
Ive had a lot of these leak from the high side process tube crimp as well..
This is a product of poor manufacturing. It’s across the board, not just r290 reach ins unfortunately.
@@billymcguffin6038 true the no name stuff is horrible also!!
When Davis was at the back of that prep table it looked like the process tubes were capped with Vulcan locring fittings?
That little Ex symbol makes everything 150% more expensive.
Just got back from a 6:30am no cool call an hour away from the homestead myself.
Get some 🤘⚡️🤘✨
I think the whole spark proof thing is hilarious. I can't tell you how many of those condenser motors I have had catch on fire. I am pretty sure it didn't spark while it was on fire
Exactly
$300 for a condenser fan motor (looks like an EC style, electronically driven perm magnets), that is nuts! What's laughable is the electronics in those probably have a higher risk of sparking than a regular induction motor where all you have is a similar coil and a sealed thermal overload...
I’m happy you fund it for 120 buck
Hope ya made money on that job Dave.
what's up Dave looks like you have been busy
Ouch! Expensive little motor
hola ,cuando la bobina del condensador están demasiado sucias y por ende el motor de fan trabaja constantemente y sin descaso por eso se debilita o se desgasta , siempre lo tomas como regla general el cambio del motor fan ``
Seems like all the r290 no cool calls I have are a dead compressor, and the condenser coils are plugged solid
Cut the bristles shorter on your brush. Easier to work last longer
The case of the holiday shuffles💦
I worked on development on similar motor. Seems that they used darker conformal coating (printed circuit board lacquer). To me looked that bearing were damaged from overheating not the electronics. Can you remove the rotor and take out the PCB? Magnets are sensitive to overheating but in this case rotor looked healty.
with very plugged condenser, the only "cooling" airflow the fan motor seen was a tiny amount of scorching hot condenser air, which heated it to electronics meltdown temperatures.
I'm guessing if we could see the circuit board up close on both sides, there'd be an open fuse, solder melted and components lifted or one that flat exploded.
Omega Man!
I have a question for you though Dave. What coil cleaner do you use to melt the solidified au jus they build up in hot greasy kitchens that are going full tilt from morning prep till closing? I ask because I spent 5 hours on top of a box and ended up using an entire gallon of nu-brite and I can't count how many gallons of rinse water which I had to shop vac up as I went.
Oven cleaner
@@NorCal-refrigeration we also used oven cleaner to wash condenser if that in kitchen
@@raviyadav8743 Me too, because a lot of these mexican restaurants have the good stuff they buy it by the 4 gallon case. Just ask one of the cooks or dishwasher for some "ácido" :)
Mmmm... servicing R290 with flames from the stove licking at you 2 feet away
Good eye
👍👍👍
Isn't the left over pancake batter supposed to go in the refrigerator?
😂😂😂😂😂
I know you have the Lowrider S, but did you ever look at the Sport Glide? If you did, what’s your thoughts.
Great bang for buck. The bags are 3500$ no BS. Down side 107 vs 114 single front brake on sport glide. But the money you save get a torque cam installed and it will fly.
HAPPY 4 JULY.
The prices for motors has become insane lately. Do you own the business or an employee?
Owner
Is this the same place you did "restoration" when it was gutted?
Yes
Isn't it funny it's a requirement for spark proof motors etc, and I get it, especially because it's right at the source. But alot of these units are installed in a commercial kitchen with several burners and pilot lights going all day/ night. It should be a requirement of how close you can put these to an open source flame. What's doubly funny, ive seen these things sitting right next to an old girl, condensing units side by side, there ain't no flame proof motors in those old girls. Food for thought.
You are 100% right
What is a spark proof motor
Just as it sounds for use around Flammable refrigerant
Holy crap is that little motor expensive
nice hair bro
Matches my beer gut.😂😂😂😂🤘⚡️🤘✨
Has true switch to the vulkan lokring fittings?
Yep
I knew I should've bought stock in Vulkan. Everyone has switch to there product.
Where do you get your coil cleaner? United Refrigeration does not have.
Amazon 5$
Dude! How many stop signs did you run?
The time warp sped up looks like all of em 😂😂🤘⚡️🤘✨
Life in the Fast Lane
Is it just me but you said spark proof motor but wired in the open with wago wire connectors?
Yes true magic
lol, the old school non-ecm were pretty well "spark proof" also.
300 bucks for a CFM ...that is crazy
Holy cow. You look like you are in your own way dave. You need to be put on the bacon slicer.
Yes
Unbelievable that motor is so expensive! Gezzzz 😖😖😖
I found the less expensive version at end of video
That's a lot of money to save .000001 watt out of a motor.
👍 Happy 4th everyone 👍
Just put a Sprinkler on it tell you get the new one 😆
I wish true would've kept with a non hydrocarbon refrigerant. I'm not eager to gauge up with my probes knowing that I don't have that gas on my truck.
then get some.. will be the future and already has been for many years in other parts of the world.. an no, we don´t have refrigeration stuff exploding every day
@@bobl78 I don't think the "natural" refrigerants are going to take off on the states like they have elsewhere. Daikin has put a lot of money into getting manufacturers to transition to r32 instead of 410a/134a in residential applications that had begun switching to "natural" refrigerants.
Samsung has used it in their residential refrigerators for years. It's going to be the norm soon
@@The98deville in Europe in the last 30 years every fridge and freezer has been using R600a… portable A/c units are R290 since a few years. Small to medium sized mini splits are R32a. Larger A/C systems still use conventional refrigerants. and heat pump dryers are still R134a… I‘m curious what they will use there as R134a is in phase out in Europe
@@The98deville I guess GE Amana and Fridgidaire must've had some reason to switch away from the natural refrigerants they had begun switching to. Maybe they remembered that compressors don't like to run in a vacuum.
More like a Ball Busting Motor .
Thats True refrigeration used toe good but no anymore. It sucks... they. change compressor brand. Fan motors sucks everything.
Agree
have to meet the efficiency standard green lies. only thing they've managed to do is efficiently fill landfills with early failure garbage, emit more pollution overall both from manufacturing, disposal and repairs. lol, but heaven forbid someone tries to point out the "big picture" issues
wow....dave uses nitrogen to clean out a coil...that is a first 😂 😂. parts town sells all those OEM parts...list price was $583....if you have an account they give you a discount
115 bucker at end of video after turtle 🐢 supply house.com
It’s Sammy haggard
😆😆😂😂😂😂