I'm here for the memories, those wonderful good times where we the fortunate who saw this live Genesis gave us, Tony Banks keyboards, he put them all to good use in this song
shut your trap guys just enjoy the song every era of genesis were great you should thank Collins Rutherford and Banks for another succesful, brilliant and full of emotion era
... but seriously, folks!! Steve had played another stuff than Daryl. Stuermer came from jazz and Hackett did his tune from classics, The Beatles, The Shadows and so one ... Since he entered GENESIS in ´78, he got a good work ... I´m german, watched both ... Steve one time (1977 in Cologne) and Daryl first time in Bremen ... I´ll drink an espresso to Daryl!!!!
In 2021(!), the best way IMO to handle the Steurmer/Hackett foolishness is to enjoy whichever guitarist you prefer as fanatically as you want and allow everyone else to do the same. If I like Steurmer better and you prefer Hackett, fine with me. I don't tell Hackett fans their wrong or stupid because they like their guy better - they aren't wrong or stupid, they just like who they like and that's it, enjoy! And I'm not gonna accept a Hackett fan telling me I'm wrong or stupid either - I like who I like and that's it. So enjoy your guy Hackett fans! They have different styles and folks gravitate to the style they prefer. Fine.
Some of the finger picking sounds on the 77 version didn't sound as strong as in 78. Same for One for the Vine 77. Better sound production in 78 and 80 helped too. One for the Vine 80 is fantastic as is Fountain of Salmacis 78 on 4th side of UK 3 sides live and luckily Steve sneaks on in the last number It/Watcher from 76.
@@davebellamy4867 One for rhe Vine. The bass, guitar and drums sound great on the 80 tour. But I liked Tony's Keyboards sounds more from the 77 tour with the arp and Mellotron. Fountain of Salamacis is always great.
OK Hackett/Steurmer….BLAH BLAH BLAH...What other rock band would do a song about the Scottish Rising of 1715...I'm another bobbin' John, just gives me the shivers....Hey, Hackett better writer Steurmer better hands.
your right i should have been fired but the dumb.fucks let me hang around and waste stage space for 30 more years lol, but i had the best tuned guitar in.rock :)
While I'm a huge fan of Genesis and this era in particular, this is what you get when English public school boys try to write about Scottish history & folklore. While Rutherford's lyrics opened with the first line of the historical fiction book 'Flight of the Heron' by D.K. Broster, the song lacks any distinctly Scottish sounding musical parts, in guitars and keyboards. It jaunts along quite nicely, but really goes nowhere. This piece massively failed it's true potential. And I say that while still loving this band & most of their solo side projects. Also note, 'Bobbing John' (John Erskine) was the 6th Earl of Mar, not the 11th.
yep it needed nicoli surgeon and the big yin on bag pipes, the rollers on fiddles, supported by wee willie harris (tin whistle) and Alex Harvey (Clarsach)
@@ocean686 - you know it. That would have been a vast improvement. lol However, your statement is factually incorrect throughout. Only Sturgeon's husband plays anything (with his party accounts), the Big Yin only plays the banjo, the Rollers actually played their own guitars on their records (the session men story is a myth) and Harvey was a singer who could play guitar. Nice try to belittle Scottish music, but it doesn't wash. When you think of all the great instrumental pieces Genesis came up with and the employment of twin harmony between Banks and Hackett, they surely could have came up something that sounded 'celtic' in the style of Big Country or Thin Lizzy, but it didn't happen. That's the essential missing piece for me, considering the lyrical content by Rutherford. slainte mhor.
you're insane if you think daryl can't handle steve's parts. he plays them better than steve. whatever technical problems happened there, assuming there were any, it's not because of the guy playing them. imo, this song just never really "worked" as a live piece and I guess the band thought so too as it was dropped fairly early in the tour.
You say, This song just never really "worked" as a live piece and I guess the band thought so to as it was dropped fairly early in the tour. You are incorrect. This amazing live version worked fine. Eleventh Earl of Mar was the first song at every show in 1978. I think this 1978 version is awesome. The 1978 versions are different is all ways to 1977. Phils voice, Steve Hackett, Tony's equipment. No mirrors during the Japan shows. Daryl is great with Genesis, but not better than Steve Hackett. No way!
yesshows100 Fair enough, after all these years, I get my facts mixed up sometimes. For some reason I thought they only did this one early and then dumped it for something else.
godzillajoe Hackett is touring now and doing this - he is amazing, This sounds excellent live NOW. Daryl isn't half as good....although he could cover Mike's parts.
Listen to Tony Banks hog the volume, as usual. A sound-sucking black hole on stage of the highest order, and one of the reasons Hackett told Genesis to take a hike. Any of you people who had the nerve to suggest Daryl Stuermer is a better guitarist for Genesis are completely out of your minds; he was a fine jazz guitarist for Jean-Luc Ponty, and can really rip it in his own genre, but for these songs it's just an echo of Hackett without the elegance Steve always brings, and the emotion. In other words, it's wooden by comparison, as is his attempts to cover Rutherford's bass lines. I saw this in Saarbrucken in early September 1978, and frankly, the band performed it much better, with better lighting, a golden fog/dry ice cloud wafting around. Phil's voice is really weak on this, although he's trying hard. Not one of his finer moments. We all brought army blankets, backpacks, munchies, a five gallon water cooler full of Blue Nun (the vineyard was 25 miles away from my base in Germany, near Mainz), and each one of us had a piece of hash. We got to the soccer stadium early, spread our blankets out in a square, marked off the borders with our backpacks, and invited some German chicks into our little "command post," as we called it....there were six of us with 6-8 grams of hash apiece, which we shared with all the Germans heads right around us, and watched Genesis come out after Frank Zappa and KICK SOME ASS. Joan Baez played between the Mavahishnu Orchestra and Zappa, which was really weird...and gave us time to go get some hot food in shifts. We had the concert trip down to a science. We kicked ass.
It was the first song, and the song I wanted to hear the most....which was also really nice. I didn't have to sit through the set list wondering if they would play it.
Zla Znaba Hmm. That's a little harsh and not accurate. I saw them eight times between Trick of the Tale and Invisible Touch. I saw them open with this song twice, Rockland County Community College Field House and Syracuse War Memorial. I saw them inside, I saw them outside, I saw them most of the times at Madison Square Garden. This recording is not accurate to how they sounded live. They ALWAYS had great levels relative to each other live, whether with Hackett or Stuermer. I really can't imagine Banks wanting to hog volume as opposed to wanting the entire band to sound well leveled. I saw dozens of concerts in that era, Yes and Jethro Tull many times. I hardly ever saw a concert without good levels. I'd say the two loudest concerts I ever saw were Stevie Ray Vaughn at The Chance in Poughkeepsie and David Johanson at a bar in Middletown, NY, I think it was called Rumours. But they were bars, so it's hard to not be too loud, though The Chance is pretty big. Anyway, Genesis always had the best live sound, every single time, even in Giants Stadium out in the open. And levels aren't completely in the hands of the band members, more so they're in the hands of the sound man. And that's moot here because Banks was never once too loud. Not complainin', just explainin'.
+Zla Znaba you don't know what your talking about...this a "live to tape" audio mix that was probably a line mix for a monitor line...no post-production and low- fi source...the engineer decides the keyboard volume..the main problem is the lead vocal saturation to distortion... however I push through such because I love the music and still realize how much a blessing it is to be able to click to footage in an instant... regardless of the level of quality I will take all bootlegged live shows I can get
+functionalschizophr An audio feed like that is not representative of what the live mix sounded like that night through the large PA speakers. I've played in bands all of my life, I saw them live 8 times. I know what I'm talking about, you do not. 8 times and the live mix was spot on. Probably the most sophisticated creative keyboardist in the history of the planet surely didn't interest himself with hogging volume.
it does not represent the sound ..of course not...because it is a line mix...I also played all my live and mixed sound...this is a bootleg..the cinema show movie with bruford was a post production mix and sounds great....this is great despite the quality ..I don't care...
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I made my decision. This is my favorite Genesis song of all.
I’ve changed my opinion so many times.
@@lisamoroney3036 mine too
This is just outstanding.
Genesis is Genesis... It always be fantastic!!!
I'm here for the memories, those wonderful good times where we the fortunate who saw this live Genesis gave us, Tony Banks keyboards, he put them all to good use in this song
FANTASTICI SEMPRE!!! Grazie.
I remember reading several years ago Mike Rutherford saying that when he thought about this song he cringed. Still a fantastic album IMO
I wonder if he changed his mind now. It's a great studio cut, and a great composition
Genesis! My eternal madness!
😄
I'm with you, sister
This song is best heard live change my mind
Everyone should listen to this song with a set of Bose noise cancellation headphones. It blows your mind like nothing since Pink Floyd.
Mike = Beast
Tony = Mind Blowing
Just like Colony of Slippermen
The loss of quality of this and other songs of the gigs post 1977, after band member Steve Hackett left, is palpable!
shut your trap guys
just enjoy the song
every era of genesis were great
you should thank Collins Rutherford and Banks for another succesful, brilliant and full of emotion era
Couldn't agree more
... but seriously, folks!! Steve had played another stuff than Daryl. Stuermer came from jazz and Hackett did his tune from classics, The Beatles, The Shadows and so one ...
Since he entered GENESIS in ´78, he got a good work ...
I´m german, watched both ... Steve one time (1977 in Cologne) and Daryl first time in Bremen ... I´ll drink an espresso to Daryl!!!!
In 2021(!), the best way IMO to handle the Steurmer/Hackett foolishness is to enjoy whichever guitarist you prefer as fanatically as you want and allow everyone else to do the same. If I like Steurmer better and you prefer Hackett, fine with me. I don't tell Hackett fans their wrong or stupid because they like their guy better - they aren't wrong or stupid, they just like who they like and that's it, enjoy! And I'm not gonna accept a Hackett fan telling me I'm wrong or stupid either - I like who I like and that's it. So enjoy your guy Hackett fans! They have different styles and folks gravitate to the style they prefer. Fine.
stupendo
Weil du der Zeit nach 77 meist abgeneigt bist :D
Endlich mal eine gute Wahl *boeser smiley hier einfuegen* :D
I wonder why they didn't use the mirrors or the fog here in Japan
Darryl Stuermer is a wonderful guitarist ( I love his work with Jean-Luc Ponty), but they really, really miss Steve Hackett on this piece!!
Nonsense. No they don't. Darryl is perfectly fine.
Actually I think Daryl sounds good here. A lot better on other live Versions of 11th earl I have heard.
Some of the finger picking sounds on the 77 version didn't sound as strong as in 78. Same for One for the Vine 77. Better sound production in 78 and 80 helped too. One for the Vine 80 is fantastic as is Fountain of Salmacis 78 on 4th side of UK 3 sides live and luckily Steve sneaks on in the last number It/Watcher from 76.
@@davebellamy4867 One for rhe Vine. The bass, guitar and drums sound great on the 80 tour. But I liked Tony's Keyboards sounds more from the 77 tour with the arp and Mellotron. Fountain of Salamacis is always great.
wonder why they didn't use the mirrors, fog etc
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Silence! You dunderheads! This is a rock band making a song about the Scottish uprising of 1715. That's really fucking cool.
Daryl is good but he does not have anywhere near the prog improvisions as Steve. I'd give anything to see a 75-78' Genesis concert.
that's why Banks is playing loud ))
Yes he does - in my opinion!
Phil was drunk during their entire Japanese stint on this tour
Of absentee father(s). Stay gone!
Phil`s tage moves were pretty creepy those days. Sometimes reminds John Lydon.
OK Hackett/Steurmer….BLAH BLAH BLAH...What other rock band would do a song about the Scottish Rising of 1715...I'm another bobbin' John, just gives me the shivers....Hey, Hackett better writer Steurmer better hands.
your right i should have been fired but the dumb.fucks let me hang around and waste stage space for 30 more years lol, but i had the best tuned guitar in.rock :)
HAHA!
Poor recording. I've seen Genesis live many times and this doesn't do their live performances justice.
While I'm a huge fan of Genesis and this era in particular, this is what you get when English public school boys try to write about Scottish history & folklore. While Rutherford's lyrics opened with the first line of the historical fiction book 'Flight of the Heron' by D.K. Broster, the song lacks any distinctly Scottish sounding musical parts, in guitars and keyboards. It jaunts along quite nicely, but really goes nowhere. This piece massively failed it's true potential. And I say that while still loving this band & most of their solo side projects. Also note, 'Bobbing John' (John Erskine) was the 6th Earl of Mar, not the 11th.
yep it needed nicoli surgeon and the big yin on bag pipes, the rollers on fiddles, supported by wee willie harris (tin whistle) and Alex Harvey (Clarsach)
@@ocean686 - you know it. That would have been a vast improvement. lol However, your statement is factually incorrect throughout. Only Sturgeon's husband plays anything (with his party accounts), the Big Yin only plays the banjo, the Rollers actually played their own guitars on their records (the session men story is a myth) and Harvey was a singer who could play guitar. Nice try to belittle Scottish music, but it doesn't wash. When you think of all the great instrumental pieces Genesis came up with and the employment of twin harmony between Banks and Hackett, they surely could have came up something that sounded 'celtic' in the style of Big Country or Thin Lizzy, but it didn't happen. That's the essential missing piece for me, considering the lyrical content by Rutherford. slainte mhor.
you're insane if you think daryl can't handle steve's parts. he plays them better than steve. whatever technical problems happened there, assuming there were any, it's not because of the guy playing them. imo, this song just never really "worked" as a live piece and I guess the band thought so too as it was dropped fairly early in the tour.
You say, This song just never really "worked" as a live piece and I guess the band thought so to as it was dropped fairly early in the tour. You are incorrect. This amazing live version worked fine. Eleventh Earl of Mar was the first song at every show in 1978. I think this 1978 version is awesome. The 1978 versions are different is all ways to 1977. Phils voice, Steve Hackett, Tony's equipment. No mirrors during the Japan shows. Daryl is great with Genesis, but not better than Steve Hackett. No way!
yesshows100 Fair enough, after all these years, I get my facts mixed up sometimes. For some reason I thought they only did this one early and then dumped it for something else.
godzillajoe
Hackett is touring now and doing this - he is amazing, This sounds excellent live NOW. Daryl isn't half as good....although he could cover Mike's parts.
You just can't be serious, can you?
Daryl is not Steve . Simple as that, He is however an outstanding guitarist. Has worked ina lot of fusion bands.... a real great chops player.
No he is'nt he is very good.
Listen to Tony Banks hog the volume, as usual. A sound-sucking black hole on stage of the highest order, and one of the reasons Hackett told Genesis to take a hike.
Any of you people who had the nerve to suggest Daryl Stuermer is a better guitarist for Genesis are completely out of your minds; he was a fine jazz guitarist for Jean-Luc Ponty, and can really rip it in his own genre, but for these songs it's just an echo of Hackett without the elegance Steve always brings, and the emotion. In other words, it's wooden by comparison, as is his attempts to cover Rutherford's bass lines.
I saw this in Saarbrucken in early September 1978, and frankly, the band performed it much better, with better lighting, a golden fog/dry ice cloud wafting around. Phil's voice is really weak on this, although he's trying hard. Not one of his finer moments.
We all brought army blankets, backpacks, munchies, a five gallon water cooler full of Blue Nun (the vineyard was 25 miles away from my base in Germany, near Mainz), and each one of us had a piece of hash. We got to the soccer stadium early, spread our blankets out in a square, marked off the borders with our backpacks, and invited some German chicks into our little "command post," as we called it....there were six of us with 6-8 grams of hash apiece, which we shared with all the Germans heads right around us, and watched Genesis come out after Frank Zappa and KICK SOME ASS. Joan Baez played between the Mavahishnu Orchestra and Zappa, which was really weird...and gave us time to go get some hot food in shifts.
We had the concert trip down to a science. We kicked ass.
It was the first song, and the song I wanted to hear the most....which was also really nice. I didn't have to sit through the set list wondering if they would play it.
Zla Znaba Hmm. That's a little harsh and not accurate. I saw them eight times between Trick of the Tale and Invisible Touch. I saw them open with this song twice, Rockland County Community College Field House and Syracuse War Memorial. I saw them inside, I saw them outside, I saw them most of the times at Madison Square Garden. This recording is not accurate to how they sounded live. They ALWAYS had great levels relative to each other live, whether with Hackett or Stuermer. I really can't imagine Banks wanting to hog volume as opposed to wanting the entire band to sound well leveled. I saw dozens of concerts in that era, Yes and Jethro Tull many times. I hardly ever saw a concert without good levels. I'd say the two loudest concerts I ever saw were Stevie Ray Vaughn at The Chance in Poughkeepsie and David Johanson at a
bar in Middletown, NY, I think it was called Rumours. But they were bars, so it's hard to not be too loud, though The Chance is pretty big. Anyway, Genesis always had the best live sound, every single time, even in Giants Stadium out in the open. And levels aren't completely in the hands of the band members, more so they're in the hands of the sound man. And that's moot here because Banks was never once too loud. Not complainin', just explainin'.
+Zla Znaba you don't know what your talking about...this a "live to tape" audio mix that was probably a line mix for a monitor line...no post-production and low- fi source...the engineer decides the keyboard volume..the main problem is the lead vocal saturation to distortion... however I push through such because I love the music and still realize how much a blessing it is to be able to click to footage in an instant... regardless of the level of quality I will take all bootlegged live shows I can get
+functionalschizophr An audio feed like that is not representative of what the live mix sounded like that night through the large PA speakers. I've played in bands all of my life, I saw them live 8 times. I know what I'm talking about, you do not. 8 times and the live mix was spot on. Probably the most sophisticated creative keyboardist in the history of the planet surely didn't interest himself with hogging volume.
it does not represent the sound ..of course not...because it is a line mix...I also played all my live and mixed sound...this is a bootleg..the cinema show movie with bruford was a post production mix and sounds great....this is great despite the quality ..I don't care...