If the writers wanted to take on a real issue, they could have gray go through an actual domestic violence intense counseling for abusers. The real issue is that there are regular appearing men, and also women, who are not necessarily inherently evil, but have distorted impulses to physically hurt the person they love the most, and who loves them despite how screwed up they are. It would be really lazy writing to just have his behavior be a secret discovered by her father, so people can just feel better watching him beat the crap out of his son-in-law. The complexity for this character, to come to an epiphany that he cannot get better without intensive programmatic counseling, could be a real chance 2 highlight the psychological intervention of Anger Management. Many abusers strikeout because they can't deal with how much they hate themselves. He may or may not go to prison, for some period Of time for the violent crimes he committed, and his wife may or may not allow him back into her life. But the truth is that men and women who abused partners are much more common then a jekyll-hyde character on a TV show. There are People that we deal with everyday, seemingly good people who truly do good work and can be an asset to their community, who we may even be friends with, who have a secret hidden propensity for violence only seen by their partner/ spouse. And if that person truly acknowledges their crimes and commits to turning their life around, they can get the psychological professional help to develop skills of Anger Management. It would take months or a few years to truly atone and prove to themselves and others that it is possible to reform and become a stable adult who can control their most dangerous impulses. I don't know if the writers for the show have an interest in portraying a real person undertaking a struggle, as opposed to the lazy dramatic plot driven storyline we've seen over and over of an evil Secret waiting to be exposed so the lazy audience gets the pleasure of seeing a villain defeated.
table rounders understand your point to some degree but not sure it’s fair to label the audience as lazy for feeling a desire to see a despicable bully get dealt with as they believe he deserves.
table rounders actually on second thoughts I don’t really understand your point if you’re trying to make excuses/justify the actions of a cowardly piece of shit like this. Many people have anger issues and propensities for violence and would never prey on vulnerable people. Who cares he hates himself, rightfully so. Would you also argue that a priest that does charity work by day and rapes kids by night may be a good person?
@@JamesBrown- If you actually read what I wrote, I justified nothing he did. I said he committed violent crimes for which he could be jailed. And his wife has every right to divorce him / get restraining order, to protect herself. Your question about a priest raping kids has nothing to do with my point - raping kids is not an angry impulse (I'm speaking as someone who was sexually abused as a kid myself). I also got the crap beat out of me by my father when he got angry. The people who abused me were predators; my father was not. I never said this character is a "good person", whatever the hell that is. But he can be multi-layered and redeemable if he accepts responsibility for his crimes, rather than simply a villain. This character's violence is not planned, and if he is written as someone who is truly remorseful, and has another dimension, that is more interesting than just being a wife-beater who needs to eventually be beaten or killed (so a lazy audience can cheer violence perpetrated against him - a predictable plot that we've all seen before in movies and on tv) . Then once he gets discovered and beaten up or killed, the story is over - it's a boring device for a writer to use. The writers of this show have taken on real social issues before. My point is that this is a social issue, men and women (who may be soldiers, doctors, teachers, lawyers) who actually contribute to society in important ways can be violent in their homes and harm people they truly love because they can't control anger. Would you call a doctor who saves lives (not the nonsense "charity work" you refer to), or a soldier fighting to defend their country, a lawyer seeking justice for a client - any of whom might have violent angry moments taken out on their spouse = are they all simply cowardly pieces of shit? I give the writers credit for the way they have written Chantelle to have reached the point where she will not let him near her; she refuses to hide the fact that he injured her and forces him to see that he has completely lost her trust; however she has kids with him, and has to get by, so for the time being she has to find a way to be married to this guy (and ideally she would tell him outright "if you come near me aggressively, I will kick you in the nuts" or fight back in some way that will hurt him severely to protect herself). But If this were to be the last time he ever hurt her and he admitted that he beat his wife to an expert on treating men and women who commit domestic violence, he could get help to turn his life around. He said in counseling that his father beat his mother; the writers could highlight how a person who acts like their parent did can break the cycle of violence , get serious counseling and learn skills to manage anger . What are the tools these people need to fix this fucked-up behavior? It would take months to earn back any trust from his wife that she is safe in his presence; but if he is serious about a promise to never harm her again, and shows that, it is possible to heal. - I don't really care if he gets beaten up or killed; he is a fictional character, so I have no feeling for him. As an actor, it is a more interesting character to play if he faces up to his crimes, rather than just playing a bad guy wife-beater.
Like being under pressure gives anyone an excuse to beat their wife up bastard he is hes got a cheek to be shocked I know it's only a soap but still disgusting that actually happens to men and women
Is she that afraid of him or just completely blinded by love to not to take action about this? She's literally endangering her kids and her own life. And he wants her to get pregnant so badly, yet he punches her in the stomach? Chantelle is gonna end up dead...
She is afraid of him, but she also loves him. Some women will put up with it for their children, they want their children to have a nice happy family. Also they are afraid that if they do tell someone that the person will hurt them again.
0:52 Omg poor Chantelle.... all those bruises never seen so many in my life, it’s like swollen round her stomach awe bless her... he hurt her arm now bruised/hurt her stomach what’s next?
KizzyKitty Rap Up1778 It reminds me of how Trevor Morgan ( Alex Ferns) brutally attack Little Mo ( Kasey Ainsworth) and his other girlfriend Donna the bruises on her face were horrific he had a baby with that girlfriend and he threatened him too I was only sixteen at the time and it scared me so much Xx 😢😢
1:17 so HE has the right to take it out on Chantelle? Beat her up/rape her ? When she’s just being a good wife and good mother to their children and that still ain’t good enough? He’ needs to see a therapist he does! He can’t carry on abusing his own fucking wife he’s not even sorry for it
Something he inherited from his father. But it's no excuse he's gone from a physical mental abuser to a serial killer. He's completely twisted he needs to be locked up and accessed by a professional doctor.
@@dynahvelvixin.8615 It seems that he lied about his father hitting him and it turned out instead that he was hitting his mother but honestly if he had taken responsibility and got anger management and professional help at this point he would never have become a murderer let alone a serial killer. I can't work out whether he was genuinely shocked or faking it but either way he should stop making excuses. Frustrated men under pressure hit walls not people.
@@98slbrookes98 Yes I seen that it's something he's had since he was child. Yes he was volient since a child to his mother but his parents didn't get him the help when he needed it. He's caught now and is gonna do time now for killing Chantelle, Tina and Kush. But I still think he needs to be assessed by a professional though.
When he so shocked he did it
Otino Thomas he should be, there should never be an excuse to abuse a spouse no matter what happens in life!
I hate Grey but Toby Alexander_Smith and Jessica Kate Plummer’s performance had been outstanding such phenomenal actress and actor Xxxxxx 💜💙
Toby is lovely in real life sure he was even in tears on set playing the beating parts.
If the writers wanted to take on a real issue, they could have gray go through an actual domestic violence intense counseling for abusers. The real issue is that there are regular appearing men, and also women, who are not necessarily inherently evil, but have distorted impulses to physically hurt the person they love the most, and who loves them despite how screwed up they are. It would be really lazy writing to just have his behavior be a secret discovered by her father, so people can just feel better watching him beat the crap out of his son-in-law. The complexity for this character, to come to an epiphany that he cannot get better without intensive programmatic counseling, could be a real chance 2 highlight the psychological intervention of Anger Management. Many abusers strikeout because they can't deal with how much they hate themselves. He may or may not go to prison, for some period Of time for the violent crimes he committed, and his wife may or may not allow him back into her life. But the truth is that men and women who abused partners are much more common then a jekyll-hyde character on a TV show. There are People that we deal with everyday, seemingly good people who truly do good work and can be an asset to their community, who we may even be friends with, who have a secret hidden propensity for violence only seen by their partner/ spouse. And if that person truly acknowledges their crimes and commits to turning their life around, they can get the psychological professional help to develop skills of Anger Management. It would take months or a few years to truly atone and prove to themselves and others that it is possible to reform and become a stable adult who can control their most dangerous impulses. I don't know if the writers for the show have an interest in portraying a real person undertaking a struggle, as opposed to the lazy dramatic plot driven storyline we've seen over and over of an evil Secret waiting to be exposed so the lazy audience gets the pleasure of seeing a villain defeated.
Woww!! I totally agree :) Your explanation is beyond beautiful :))
table rounders understand your point to some degree but not sure it’s fair to label the audience as lazy for feeling a desire to see a despicable bully get dealt with as they believe he deserves.
table rounders actually on second thoughts I don’t really understand your point if you’re trying to make excuses/justify the actions of a cowardly piece of shit like this. Many people have anger issues and propensities for violence and would never prey on vulnerable people. Who cares he hates himself, rightfully so. Would you also argue that a priest that does charity work by day and rapes kids by night may be a good person?
@@JamesBrown- If you actually read what I wrote, I justified nothing he did. I said he committed violent crimes for which he could be jailed. And his wife has every right to divorce him / get restraining order, to protect herself. Your question about a priest raping kids has nothing to do with my point - raping kids is not an angry impulse (I'm speaking as someone who was sexually abused as a kid myself). I also got the crap beat out of me by my father when he got angry. The people who abused me were predators; my father was not. I never said this character is a "good person", whatever the hell that is. But he can be multi-layered and redeemable if he accepts responsibility for his crimes, rather than simply a villain. This character's violence is not planned, and if he is written as someone who is truly remorseful, and has another dimension, that is more interesting than just being a wife-beater who needs to eventually be beaten or killed (so a lazy audience can cheer violence perpetrated against him - a predictable plot that we've all seen before in movies and on tv) . Then once he gets discovered and beaten up or killed, the story is over - it's a boring device for a writer to use. The writers of this show have taken on real social issues before. My point is that this is a social issue, men and women (who may be soldiers, doctors, teachers, lawyers) who actually contribute to society in important ways can be violent in their homes and harm people they truly love because they can't control anger. Would you call a doctor who saves lives (not the nonsense "charity work" you refer to), or a soldier fighting to defend their country, a lawyer seeking justice for a client - any of whom might have violent angry moments taken out on their spouse = are they all simply cowardly pieces of shit?
I give the writers credit for the way they have written Chantelle to have reached the point where she will not let him near her; she refuses to hide the fact that he injured her and forces him to see that he has completely lost her trust; however she has kids with him, and has to get by, so for the time being she has to find a way to be married to this guy (and ideally she would tell him outright "if you come near me aggressively, I will kick you in the nuts" or fight back in some way that will hurt him severely to protect herself). But If this were to be the last time he ever hurt her and he admitted that he beat his wife to an expert on treating men and women who commit domestic violence, he could get help to turn his life around. He said in counseling that his father beat his mother; the writers could highlight how a person who acts like their parent did can break the cycle of violence , get serious counseling and learn skills to manage anger . What are the tools these people need to fix this fucked-up behavior? It would take months to earn back any trust from his wife that she is safe in his presence; but if he is serious about a promise to never harm her again, and shows that, it is possible to heal.
- I don't really care if he gets beaten up or killed; he is a fictional character, so I have no feeling for him. As an actor, it is a more interesting character to play if he faces up to his crimes, rather than just playing a bad guy wife-beater.
table rounders thanks for your explanation, this is interesting
Is he seriously trying to justify the fact he beat the shit out his wife with ‘ oh it’s just so much pressure ‘
Gray is the modern day version of Trevor
I watched some Trevor clips and I can't decide who's worse 😟
Very true
@@meandi5956 Gray’s worse since he’s killed people but Trevor’s no better
Pressure doesn't make you beat your spouse.
Like being under pressure gives anyone an excuse to beat their wife up bastard he is hes got a cheek to be shocked I know it's only a soap but still disgusting that actually happens to men and women
You can’t use pressure as an excuse to beat your wife 😡
I have anxiety and panic attacks and flashbacks PTSD because of my past and I have two panic attacks everyday at school and one at home ones a day
Is she that afraid of him or just completely blinded by love to not to take action about this? She's literally endangering her kids and her own life. And he wants her to get pregnant so badly, yet he punches her in the stomach? Chantelle is gonna end up dead...
She has no self esteem
Jay Cobbina how dumb can you be
She is afraid of him, but she also loves him. Some women will put up with it for their children, they want their children to have a nice happy family. Also they are afraid that if they do tell someone that the person will hurt them again.
Clearly this person has no idea about domestic abuse 🙄
They always hit where others can’t see .
He’d not under pressure now he wants Chantelle out his life he must be tired of controlling her
0:52 Omg poor Chantelle.... all those bruises never seen so many in my life, it’s like swollen round her stomach awe bless her... he hurt her arm now bruised/hurt her stomach what’s next?
KizzyKitty Rap Up1778 It reminds me of how Trevor Morgan ( Alex Ferns) brutally attack Little Mo ( Kasey Ainsworth) and his other girlfriend Donna the bruises on her face were horrific he had a baby with that girlfriend and he threatened him too I was only sixteen at the time and it scared me so much Xx 😢😢
You do know it’s a story?
TheSealOfTheRose I know I’m just saying
@@TheSealOfTheRose Yes but domestic abuse happens in real life too and it's got worse since the lockdown
Kate McDevitt really?!?
CAN'T WAIT 2 HIM GET CAUGHT ANY IDEAS WHEN 😓
Fucking hell???? How can he actually have genuine disgust at himself for what he did and yet just keeps doing it???? What the hell???
1:17 so HE has the right to take it out on Chantelle? Beat her up/rape her ? When she’s just being a good wife and good mother to their children and that still ain’t good enough? He’ needs to see a therapist he does! He can’t carry on abusing his own fucking wife he’s not even sorry for it
I hate grey thats why the actor is so good
Why hasn’t telle dumped gray
To be honest I wanna beat down gray but toby and Jessica I have the most respect for them both world class actors
How could Chantelle put up with grays abuse and why did he do it to his own wife
Something he inherited from his father. But it's no excuse he's gone from a physical mental abuser to a serial killer. He's completely twisted he needs to be locked up and accessed by a professional doctor.
@@dynahvelvixin.8615 It seems that he lied about his father hitting him and it turned out instead that he was hitting his mother but honestly if he had taken responsibility and got anger management and professional help at this point he would never have become a murderer let alone a serial killer. I can't work out whether he was genuinely shocked or faking it but either way he should stop making excuses. Frustrated men under pressure hit walls not people.
@@98slbrookes98 Yes I seen that it's something he's had since he was child. Yes he was volient since a child to his mother but his parents didn't get him the help when he needed it. He's caught now and is gonna do time now for killing Chantelle, Tina and Kush. But I still think he needs to be assessed by a professional though.
@@dynahvelvixin.8615 I agree.
@@dynahvelvixin.8615 I don't believe his father was abusive and Gray lied about that. He was the problematic one from a young age.
Has her bruises healed up now?!?
I really don't think so :'( Gray has been physically abusing her in multiple episodes
Hannah _lolz_ I cant find mini scenes of it
When she died there was no bruises on her he hadn't beating her around that time.
Shocked but still continued to abuse her and kill her
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