Salvatore Babones, 5 questions on India's global rankings, the good, bad & some ugly
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- Who is Salvatore Babones, the sociologist who said,'India's intellectual class is anti-India' at the India Today Conclave? Are some International ratings unfair & who takes these seriously? Watch Episode 1110 of Cut The Clutter where ThePrint Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta explores five questions behind India's global rankings, the good, bad, ugly.
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Press Freedom 150, it's true. If you think it's wrong do a topic like Charli Hebdo cartoon in your news with your name.
Babones sees himself as a social scientist, and therefore value-free. He obviously is not aware of this fallacy. He should read Karl Popper and Thomas Kuhn.
I will subscribe if you pay me
correct your errors Gupta czcams.com/video/o9jercNSpjA/video.html
Babones' points out the lack of due diligence from the print. czcams.com/video/BxXz3FoPrMA/video.html
The fact the print didn't even bother to make videos on the wire meta story but instead make an entire episode of a person's comments shows how much disturbed and frustrated the intellectuals and their sidekicks are 😂😂😂😂😂
I don't think that story has cleared out yet for The print to be able to speak on it.
That should scare the daylights out of ya. That’s a war. By ur own people.
Yeah, they don’t want to embarrass themselves more than they had to. Wire ate the crow and it’s mock-up e-mails got ripped to shreds. Too bad it wasn’t an anatomical part. Or a non-observable anatomical enhancement - like an extra hole in their derrière.
@@arunsar7893 it has.
@@arunsar7893 wire the lier apologized and took back that story. The guy who peddled it deleted his all social media accounts and went into hiding.. similar fake hit piece on Tech Fog gets silently removed from wire etc etc......
Salvatore is absolutely correct and he defends his ideas very coherently. Sitting in the US, I have had the opportunity of a 3rd eye view of our nation, and his words hit home. I agree completely to what he said. Janta is no longer so bewakoof that truth tellers can be "soft canceled" by 'institutions'.
You are 💯correct
Lies & Agenda Narrative from congress cabal written on foreign papers, even the The print writers wrote BS on India's fight against covid where nations like china still under lockdown & admits citizens not fully vaccinated doesn't get 1/10 th of flak which still India gets when it's vaccination program achieved remarkable feats at the start of 2022. Anti-India-Hindu by leftists commie cabal exists WHO HAVE DEEP HATRED TO MODI & India's CIVILIZATION.
Left is Global but the Right is always Local and specific to the country
To say that Cato and Frazer are right wing Institute of US, they would be kind to Indian Right. Shekhar Gupta is either plain dumb(which he is not) or very clever. American Right is darling of Christian evangelists and missionaries. Why would they leave any chance to malign India as they fear Hindutva wouldn't let them succeed in their pathetic Christian agenda of conversions.
Many of these reports show US too worse than it should be.
You clearly didn’t see Shekhar’s video then. Lol.
I watched the full interview of Dr. Salvatore Babones and whatever he said was completely logical, fact-based and data driven. I couldn't stop laughing when Gupta ji said he is not an intellectual. Gupta ji is the very definition of what we call intellectuals in India. It's not about being gyaanee. Indian intellectuals are the people who create a facade of credibility and moral authority and push their own opinion to gullible people. This is done with cherry picking half baked "facts" and "figures" and a misleading analysis. They don’t necessarily have bad intent. They think they can improve the country with their criticism. When I was young and lived in Kolkata during late 80's and early 90s, I used to see the same type of intellectuals protesting on the street against free market policies and demanding banning computers in banks. They used to think they are doing a great intellectual service to the nation. Same way today's Indian intellectuals think they are doing great service by being anti-India and demonising the nation.
Our intellectuals are not Gyannees or Jyanees, they are Macaulay-putra
It’s a classic mix of strawmanning, Ad hominem, and speaking from authority.
I’m surprised desi people haven’t shut down such nonsense. It’s so easily spotted. And people keep listening and accepting propaganda. Especially educated ones. They’re easily deceived because they think they know a lot more than they actually do. Peer pressure is hellova drug.
Being an intellectual in India comprises of having done some nukkad natak in the name of activism by a fill in the blank NGO, or studying politics at JNU, or having some social rhetoric to spew, or a disgruntled economist, professor, journalist. In between these categories, they would have read some 20 odd books that are a staple and form the intersection in a Venn diagram. Just add another common thread - English speaking with public school education. Oh, anti-Modi and anti-RSS, too. Edit - forgot to add anti-Hindu and taking pride in bashing Hindu festivals.
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@kunal kumar before 2014 they were called Desh drohi OR Gaddar.
Now they are called Anti Nationals or Anti Indian.
Same meaning but different words.😊
Good to see the pushback Mr Gupta is getting from his audience. Salvotre's message is simple really -
There are double standards & cherry picking in data by different rankings & organizations. India has to fight for it's narrative. Unfortunately a lot of Indians/expats of indian origin still look for validation from US/western Europe. They ignore the double standards or knowingly support it to get ahead in their career or adopted country.
Salvatore Babones has debunked the point of this whole Cut-the-clutter. The point Guptaji is trying to convey here is that Salvatore's conclusion that the 'LeLi' intellectuals of India are not anti-India because even the RW think tanks/NGOs like CATO/FRASER are coming to the same conclusion as LW ones. In this video👉, czcams.com/video/o9jercNSpjA/video.html , Salvatore explains the reports on India by RW think tanks like CATO/FRASER regurgitate the data provided by LW think tanks like VDEM Institute. THIS IS A BIG L FOR THE TRUTH-BASED UNBIASED JOURNALISM OF THE PRINT.
When the professor said "Indian intellectuals are anti-India" it was like a light bulb moment for me and majority of Indians. As an engineer we never had politics in college, it was entirely education related. But a friend who is poli-sci major who went to premier uni said that politics is completely dominated by left ideological groups and parties. They hardly attend classes and protest on miniscule issues, be it Indian or world affairs issue. He said the issue is not much different in US where he did masters. There he never mentioned that he is practising Hindu to his classmates. US universities are becoming den for anti-semites and anti-Hindus
Yes, experiencing first hand
@@sg28011 Thats a political tag given by BJP supporters. His reason while being anti-modi intellectuals as a CLASS became anti-India. Before there were few intellectuals who were vehement anti-India before Modi(Arundhati Roy is the best example) but now majority of lecturers in universities are ant-India. He gave a reason behind the tag not just the tag. Thats the difference.
@@sg28011 Again you are missing the point. You are talking about individuals, I am talking about class of people who are vehement anti-India. And that is a recent phenomenon. JNU had always left leaning people but only recently they openly came out as anti-India. Reason also was explained by the professor that left leaning secularists and Islamists have an unholy alliance where they share common hatred of Jewish people and in that group they have included Hindus. In India, Modi represents BJP and Hindus, so they hate him but moved to hating India. Go to any US universities (Not engineering) there you will find people openly hating on Jews and Hindus now. They will say they are anti-zionist and anti-fascism, but they cross the line often and propagate anti-semitism and Hinduphobia. That ideology is fast spreading in Indian universities as well. You will find next generation of "intellectuals" who will be hateful towards majority of Indians.
Thank god Someone has put Everything into perspective - constructive Criticism - hard to handle for overly Emotional & Egoistical Indians.Learn to be Grateful that Some one has been able to Articulate the Whole Anti Indianness so GRACEFULLY. Lot to improve from all of this leading to a BETTER India & Better citizens
@@AK-wn5ri hi is it true wipro and mahindra mahindra tata infosys funding anti indian left wing media and instituion abroad
Gupta ji going from “who cares “ to trying to clutter it carefully . Lage rahoo Gupta ji. He was talking anout people like you only.
As a stats student I know that how datas are manipulated to achieve a certain agenda driven goal.
It's nice to see salvatore here.
Yep. Another level above stat manipulation is missionaries/Monarchy manipulations. Whole another level. That’s how they converted/controlled Europe. They’re still at it.
@kunal kumar Yes GDP and jobs data of Congress era was manipulated now it's not,
“datas” ? Lol
Salvatore should spend more time in India before making a judgement.
Lies & Agenda Narrative from congress cabal written on foreign papers, even the The print writers wrote BS on India's fight against covid where nations like china still under lockdown & admits citizens not fully vaccinated doesn't get 1/10 th of flak which still India gets when it's vaccination program achieved remarkable feats at the start of 2022. Anti-India-Hindu by leftists commie cabal exists WHO HAVE DEEP HATRED TO MODI & India's CIVILIZATION.
I think that Aus gentleman busted somany balloons with one line of shot😌😌
Intellectuals got rattled and chellas covering up
American h wo
Salvatore Babones has debunked the point of this whole Cut-the-clutter. The point Guptaji is trying to convey here is that Salvatore's conclusion that the 'LeLi' intellectuals of India are not anti-India because even the RW think tanks/NGOs like CATO/FRASER are coming to the same conclusion as LW ones. In this video👉, czcams.com/video/o9jercNSpjA/video.html , Salvatore explains the reports on India by RW think tanks like CATO/FRASER regurgitate the data provided by LW think tanks like VDEM Institute. THIS IS A BIG L FOR THE TRUTH-BASED UNBIASED JOURNALISM OF THE PRINT.
1. Shekhar didn't ask the most important question that Barbones raised - whether some intellectuals are anti India.
2. Shekhar says no-one cares about these ratings and then goes on to dedicate half the video on a new rating :-)
Takleef hua hai SG ko... Bolne de bolne de (Welcome movie dialogue) 🙂
He took dis rating cz it is done by right wing organisation..dats all…and ratings r important
he has already done one full video on hunger rating.
@@pallabighatak8834 ratings are not important. stop looking at other for validation.... Majority in the whole world likes us because of our look or skin colour its a fact. So stop stop looking for validation
Ha ha, Finally Sekhar Gupta sir tries so hard to explain to us that freedom in India has deteriorated under Modi. He is the intellectual class of India that Dr Salvador describes.
He would not have taken Dr. Salvador's name had he been dishonest.
@@amritpalsingh3293 no, that logic is not correct
How? This video is quite objective???
@@amritpalsingh3293 He didn't counter Salvatore babones at all based on the targetted and factual data he presented and no Modi govt isn't the only institution which takes ratings seriously. It's entire western countries policy makers lobbyists economists and businessmen who take decisions based on these ratings.
@@vikki4957 so he says. CTC is not a journalist's job.
I come from one of the poorest state in India. Visited my village after 14 years. Found my village has economically grown big time, better roads, almost 24x7 electricity, there are more cars and motorbikes, almost every body has Pucca house. No body is hungry, nutrionally people are doing much better.
So whatever press says- nobody believes it. People can see by themselves.
I have been living in my hometown for past two years. Its a tier three city.
The economic distress here is unbelievable.
Car owners seldomly take their car out. Most have them switched to their old bikes or scooties.
People who used to rent their house for tenants r finding it tough to find new tenants . Some have even lowered their rent demands just to avoid losses.
Many brand exclusive big shops have closed down.
The only new and shiny buildings I see now r private hospitals .
Lol
@@offred6013 Choose a larger sample window
@@desibigfoot3874 i was replying to the pervious comment where village was quoted as a sample.
Also my city is a populated one and me and my father being advocate we get to travel to nearby cities and talk to people.
Situation is more or less same.
@@desibigfoot3874 i was replying to the comment where village was quoted as an example.
Also u dont need to conduct a survey to know the state of economic well being.
We live in a highly connected world.
U can determine the cost of running ur own household and compare it with the cost incured in previous year and ask others to do the same
Expenses have only risen income is anybodys guess
@@offred6013 Bro majority of indians use their car for occasional long distance trips not for daily commuting because of problems of traffic jams in the cities.
I have seen even well off families using motorbikes instead of car to go to their office.
Wait a second... How on earth can same_sex relationship ratings be @ 10 when homosexuality was literally criminalised, suddenly in 2014 halfed to 5.0 and didn't improve when the SC struck down section 377 ?
@@fusion7837 AL FREAKING WAYS. ALWAYS. MAX PAYND OP.
Exactly, sala kuch bhi chala do
Propoganda sir. It's propoganda
Kato that ranks India at 119th in their Freedom Index also ranks Hongkong at 30th, Hungary at 59th, South Africa at 77th (try to test your freedom by walking alone in the streets of Johannesburg), Nepal at 84th, Bhutan at 98th (a demographically less diverse theocratic monarchy, more like a hybrid regime with a form of Buddhism as state religion- try to test freedom in Bhutan by confronting the monarchic form of system and by seeking dissolution of the status of state religion), Kazakhstan at 106th, Sierra Leone at 111th (its current president is a former military junta leader, very nice resumé to start with), Sri lanka at 112th.
@Anurag Chakraborty bengladeshi mal stop taking nonsense...
@Anurag Chakraborty andhnamazi
Very true.
Bhutan also committed genocide & ethnic cleansing on its Hindu population.
@@SodiumSyndicate Yes
Our intellectuals don’t produce anything useful and just criticise India using funny theories
That's a good point.
Shekhar Gupta became so defensive in its analysis after Salvatore explanation...
One thing to note:
2008-13 even when 377 was in place, India had a 10 in same sex relationship and now a 5?
one man with logic and maths on his side has ratteled them world over.
Indeed. They are now scurrying for cover.
Including Mr. Shekar Gupta! He may not be as bad as some others are, but he is there prominently is true. Mr . SG has often hurried to express negative opinion on stuff he is not an expert or well aware of, and has invariably put us down. One needs to just research CTC a little to unravel it!
@@ngsngs9622 he is, Prof Salvatore has mentioned in his paper about freedom house rating, which SG didn't cover, bcz it was SG who hailed their report on India in which they declared india partially free. All the CTC before the general election was infamously saying bjp is loosing, farm distress etc in 2019, but after the election he said the truth. And at the end of the day hiring a liar like dilip mandal, who rarely speaks the truth is self explanatory.
At best, Salvatore’s accusation is india hasn’t become worse, it’s remained the same as before - which isn’t encouraging either given how bad the original rankings were in the first place.
@@gomezmilkin340 even the "original" pre modi rankings were bogus, in one they say that there are more press freedom in pakistan. Even at the time of UPA leftist intellectuals have never been pro India, they supported the partition, the british, and the war, pre independence, and only these intellectuals has been the source of rankings, remind you even I am not accusing the UN reports.
He is not only a sociologist, but also has a masters in statistics. So he has the ability and qualifications to analyse the data put out. He also said that the raw data is collected by some agencies, which is then processed by the rating institutions. And instead of repeatedly saying they no one bothers about these rankings, it would have been better if you had instead said which rankings matter. These agencies spend a lot of money and time to bring these lists, so they must be catering to some customers/ audiences who are willing to pay for them. So who are these customers/ audiences? A very big question, which SG did not bother to answer.
One clarification on the ' foreign agent' tag of the Professor, by Australia and the US. These countries have a law that anyone working for a foreign government, which has the possibility of influencing their respective Public opinion, such persons have to register as ' Foreign agent'. SG conveniently glossed over this important information, and fubbed his way through. Even though the Institute/ organisation the professor worked for as a consultant might/ might not be funded by the government, the least SG could have done is to clarify if it was.
Sekhar Gupta sir has a narrative to defend like the intellectuals salvadore is describing. If he tells truth how will he sugar coat and manipulate us by his editorials?
His has ability to collect data and do Statetics?
What use are those ability, when he is not even saying his opinion from a neutral perspective. He clearly had helped paid gov media previously, to from an opinion. He clearly had an ideological tilt, like all Socialist do. So only people who are already baised towards their own ideology, will take his data collection seriously, and expect him to not cherry pick his data instead. So if you even for a movement thought, his data collection was from nutral perspective, then blame yourself for being hypocritical first. Not to mention he has not provided any data to begin with
"Data is collected from agency"
In most cases data directly taken from governments report itself. Like in UN dev index, hunger index(uses both gov data and survey) etc
//Instead you keep repeating no one bother about these ranking//
He never said that, instead he went ahead to prove, how even our gov don't ignor these report, despite rejecting it on face for face saving. Not to mention you people are the first to get triggered, and attack these reports, even before government dose. I can now understand, you probably didn't even listened to whole podcast, which is nothing less expected from a troll, who only came here with fix agenda
@@physicscal2142 He is a statistician, and so can analyse the raw data used by these institutions to verify the results. And he did debunk the so called ranking. You appear to have very little knowledge of how varification is done. The varification is done by using the same data and analyse it to arrive at definite conclusions. So no new data is collected and cherry picked in any of this.
You appear to have very poor reading and hearing skills, post what you did, and in the process exposed yourself for what you are. A ignorant, uneducated person who cannot process information in either the written or audio medium. This in fact is the defination of a troll.
@@ocs748 dude clame your tits first. Collection new or old data is not even the point. Him having an ideological tilt is big enough reason to cherry pick anything, including those only particular index he wanna debunk he only felt comfortable in and cherry picking methodology of verification itself. Not to mention he himself had used pew research Center data as comparative parameter in many instance, so when you say he only took same data to conclude his verification, then you are straight up lying on face, and lowering you own credibility. Not to mention, he had just said he verified this and that, but provided nothing on ground, but that's what it takes you people to start beating your chest, like you guys have found your god father or something. I was completely bewildered, by crazy obsession of Indian right wing , who are so data starved to prove their own agenda, that they so desperately want someone else to say it for them. Matter of the fact every intellectual do agree that some of indexes are incorrect and biased, and that's what SG has said too, by debunking press freedom index himself. But you guys are so narrow minded in seeing every thing in back and white that you simply don't care about facts. If you like it, it's true, if you don't like it it's western agenda. These kind of extream borrowed narrative is reason why people smarter then you will never take you people seriously. Then you will call them intellectual, leftist and again borrow someone else to say to you, how they verified your fake narrative, which will make you people go crazy again, and attack those people who don't agree with you. But remember those people you attack for not agreeing with you, are not just intellectuals, but they are always people smarter then you.
@@physicscal2142 You are both ignorant and stupid, proved by your gibberish rant. First you say that the professor has collected and analysed the data, and now you are saying something else. Let me simplify the matter so that even one as dumb as you can understand. The professor did not use any new data, but used the same data which was used by the rating institutions. He analysed the same data by applying the statistical principles to arrive at his conclusions. Is this so difficult for you to understand? Where is the cherry picking that you so persistently talk about? This forum is for people with some commonsense and logic, and not for ignorant and stupid person for you.
Too clever by half, SG. Not even a half hearted attempt to discuss what Salvatore said - that there is wrong and motivated data underpinning the specific ratings that Rajdeep questioned Salvatore about. And that this wrong data is provided deliberately by Indians for reasons explained by Salvatore.
SG instead tries “damage control” by reinforcing how bad India is really, regardless of the facts provided by Salvatore.
If anything, SG actually proves the point Salvatore was making.
25:22 *** Freedom of Assembly *** How is this 5.3? The way the farm movement continued for months and other marches, gheraos that keep going on every year, I would think this should be at a 10.0 Countries like UK and Canada beat down on such farmer assemblies within days, if not hours. Isn't this farcical?
I didn't know the misrepresentation of data was this blatant. How is this even allowed!
Liberandus have weaker eyesight in general.
According to intellectuals
BJP bringing UCC is More Communal other than Liberal.
Where GOA has UCC for Centuries
Which is Religion & gender Neutral !!
How perfectly He Attacked Islamists Gang of India Who Try to show Anti BJP
But end up showing Anti India
Pro Pakistan Image !!
Random white guy.. Lol
@Preet 9 Becoz Congress has Given Too much Privilege to Muslims & Christians for vote bank Eg :- Waqf Board
Which owns Nearly 7 lakh acres of Indian
Land Where we can't celebrate Ganpati festival. & Becoz itz waqf Idgah land
We also expect Those Religions who were born In This land also Should get Right in their own land like Hinduism,sikhism,Jainism, buddhism .
Abramhic Ideology are just Want To Change Culture of Land by religion Demographics.
@Preet 9 Abramhic Have 57 Islamic countries & Nearly 50 Christians dominated countries But
Nankana Sahib & Kartarpur Holiest Sites
Lahore are now Dominated by Abramhics in their own Punjab Province, Indian Punjab atleast have Majority of Sikhs in it but what of Pakistan Punjab ?
India have Sikh Prime minister, president,
Parsi field marshal , Muslim President,Kashmiri muslim IAS UPSC topper we majority accept everyone as one
Sikhs,jains,Buddhist, hindus Have less than 5 or only one country of their own !!
@Preet 9 Fight Of BJP is not Against Muslims But its
Against Mughals who live in 21st century but have Mindset of during Aurangzeb times To Establish Islamic caliphate by Demographics .or like British rule again
By Christians by religious Conversion
If BJP was so anti Muslim It would never have APJ Abdul kalam as head of Pokhran Nuclear test in 1998 .
Becoz of Apj Abdul kalam india is now a Nuclear State !!
Or Still bjp praise Manmohan Singh for its Its economic reforms
*100% with you on UCC*
SG is exactly the 'intellectual' Babones is referring to. These people have some nice goody goody feeling inside their stomachs when they criticize. They send out an air of superiority. And I can see what is the reason. Usually only that person who has a very deep knowledge of a particular subject is capable of knowing the faults, warps, inadequacies and can offer an insightful comment, which can also be termed as a critique. However, leftists and these 'intellectuals' do the opposite i.e. just criticize so that others may see them as deeply knowledgeable. It is similar to painting stripes on a donkey to resemble a zebra. And the comedy is this man had to this as a CTC, as if there is a clutter just to wash off his guilt on which Babones has shined a bright light. Now he is looking for a cover. This "CTC" achieves that purpose. And "The Print" is unhyphenated!
Salvatore Babones has debunked the point of this whole Cut-the-clutter. The point Guptaji is trying to convey here is that Salvatore's conclusion that the 'LeLi' intellectuals of India are not anti-India because even the RW think tanks/NGOs like CATO/FRASER are coming to the same conclusion as LW ones. In this video👉, czcams.com/video/o9jercNSpjA/video.html , Salvatore explains the reports on India by RW think tanks like CATO/FRASER regurgitate the data provided by LW think tanks like VDEM Institute. THIS IS A BIG L FOR THE TRUTH-BASED UNBIASED JOURNALISM OF THE PRINT.
Shekhar Gupta still hasn't responded to Salvatore's rebuttal on the rankings. Shekhar Gupta talked about how Fraser Institute/Cato are also demoting India and it was pointed out to him that both these institutes use the same heavily criticized Vdem ranking. With what face does he come on the show and expect us to subscribe to Cut the Clutter. At least an apology or an acknowledgement is due. SG often does what people call monkey balancing - ie balancing for the heck of it with no regard for reality on the ground.
While Shekar tried to get some immunity by declaring himself as not an intellectual. Deep down he feels that he is the one. Otherwise, you wouldn't bother the need to run 'Cut the Clutter' series for lesser beings like us,and advocating paid subscription...
Burn.....
Ya ya, he is the closeted intellectual who is the same as described by Salvatore
Lies & Agenda Narrative from congress cabal written on foreign papers, even the The print writers wrote BS on India's fight against covid where nations like china still under lockdown & admits citizens not fully vaccinated doesn't get 1/10 th of flak which still India gets when it's vaccination program achieved remarkable feats at the start of 2022. Anti-India-Hindu by leftists commie cabal exists WHO HAVE DEEP HATRED TO MODI & India's CIVILIZATION.
Ha ha 🤣 spot on
"In a time of
deceit, telling
the truth is a
Revolutionary
act."
- George Orwell
Like the truth about the GODI media!
Salvatore Babones has debunked the point of this whole Cut-the-clutter. The point Guptaji is trying to convey here is that Salvatore's conclusion that the 'LeLi' intellectuals of India are not anti-India because even the RW think tanks/NGOs like CATO/FRASER are coming to the same conclusion as LW ones. In this video👉, czcams.com/video/o9jercNSpjA/video.html , Salvatore explains the reports on India by RW think tanks like CATO/FRASER regurgitate the data provided by LW think tanks like VDEM Institute. THIS IS A BIG L FOR THE TRUTH-BASED UNBIASED JOURNALISM OF THE PRINT.
All the indexes, rankings and ratings about India immortalises the famous lines from Mark Twain
"Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics "😂😂
This was suspected.
When Swiz. or French ban burqa and other things, they hardly go down in places of democracy indicex or human rights indices or freedom to practise religion indices.
SG unhyphenated journalism is no different than wire, WaPo, NYT. They all are joined at hip with common goal.
It does seem so at many times.
just because it doesnt suit your right wing rss bjp agenda?
@@bishnoishubhamm don't give fcuk about bjp or Rss. Do not care if it congress or CPI or AAP. The one side narrative is what I care for.
@@Vader19k8 what SG can even speak in favour when the performance on most of indicator is really poor? Which side you want him to show?
@@bishnoishubhamm if you have time then please read methodology, data collection , sample and question asked in reports. You will get fair Idea.
In Western countries there are strong libel laws which keeps press well behaved. In India fake news and biased reports are very common almost 10 times more common than west so when some of these reporters are caught they make lots of hue and cry and laws more abused at state level. Each chief minister behaves like a king.
@kunal kumar Fake news is peddled by all political parties and all channels if nothing else to get better ratings so I am surprised so many journalist escape punishment after getting caught again and again.
@SG . Your headline is about Salvatore Babones but you have not covered much about his talk. It would have been better if you could have discussed merits and demerits about his analysis.
Because it's an episode to defend the so called intellectuals. It's the whole cabal, and SG being one of them is so hurt that he had to defend his tribe.
I lost respect for you, Sekharji. As he said in his interview, you are cherry picking the statements made by Salvatore
Salvatore Babones has debunked the point of this whole Cut-the-clutter. The point Guptaji is trying to convey here is that Salvatore's conclusion that the 'LeLi' intellectuals of India are not anti-India because even the RW think tanks/NGOs like CATO/FRASER are coming to the same conclusion as LW ones. In this video👉, czcams.com/video/o9jercNSpjA/video.html , Salvatore explains the reports on India by RW think tanks like CATO/FRASER regurgitate the data provided by LW think tanks like VDEM Institute. THIS IS A BIG L FOR THE TRUTH-BASED UNBIASED JOURNALISM OF THE PRINT.
Gupta ji is born slave ..... Just that he will never see his masters come to power
The proof in the pudding. The most important statistic is that in 8 years india has gone from 10th to 5th in size of economy. This takes care of whether the world is doing well or badly as now. This means that by definition almost all negative rankings on india are rubbish.
Compare it with population size also.
@kunal kumar Rank 5 is govt data ?
@@fusion7837 Other countries doing badly is not anybody's credit. What is the per capita income growth in the last 8 years?
@kunal kumar Yea , I know the reason.
Do u know the reason why we are growing 6 to 8 % per year ?
@kunal kumar how silly can you get. This is a ranking accepted by all. It is the one static that is not up for debate. Even the unpatriotic left liberals cannot dispute. Of course you that India’s gdp has declined. The next you may tell me is the world is actually square and not round. When you write something at least talk sense
We need Salvator Babones to start Cut the Clutter. 😂
czcams.com/video/gSDVYtymmmw/video.html
Salvator cut it again
The final inference of his 26 minute editorial , what Sekhar Gupta sir was trying hard to explain and nail into our brains:
1. Sekhar Gupta is not the intellectual that salvadore was referring to be anti India class
2. Indians under Modi has no freedom, press and people are not able to voice their opinions, he tells it voiceferously.
3. Believe it, believe it, oh common I am shouting at top of my voice, believe it, the freedom in India has deteriorated. This is told by right wing institutions of America, right wing, right wing, they are not left, I say they are not left, not left by any stretch of imagination. So you have to believe it. Believe it. Drill it into your mind.
Forget it Sekhar sir. You are the epitome of that intellectual , we all know it by now.
The response to Dr salvadore is so great not just because he spoke the truth, but also resonated what is there in majority of people of India . He compiled all the malaise of these people so precisely.
😆 🤣
Shekhar ji knows that his name comes up to people's mind when the word intellectual class is mentioned 😂😂
Bro just cool.... every is okk.
Indian media looks more like western media day by day clear defined lines and propaganda to spread ,news what's that thing you evil man say , such hurt on my ears and soul ,oh you common fool , do you not know i went to a college with reservation and drank my way through it , oh common man do you wish not live a life of respect where you serve me and my whims and be thankful that you got the chance to be a servant
Oh common man ,art thou a fool .
Now since Salvatore exposed these self declared intellactuals, shekhar gupta trying hard to make everyone believe that govt of India takes these rankings seriously. He avoided the moot point that Salvatore made- that indian intellactuals are anti-india. So why are they so- that gupta has to discuss. He rather came up with so many different rankings to show india's position is really bad. Well,that was not the point of discussion.
There are systematic efforts to sully India globally often carried out by obedient "Brown Sepoys". TheWire's Siddharth Varadarajan with his fake Meta story ran anti-India propaganda for a year. Ashok Swine is a prime example of an "anti-India" foreign-based intellectual. Salvatore Babones disrobed this class in an open gathering. Interestingly, whether in physical or verbal confrontations, Rajdeep Sardesai is always the punching bag.
Very correctly said. We need wide public debate on this.
I apologize on behalf of entire Odisha for giving that Swine guy to India🙇♀️
I find it a bit weird that Same Sex relationship scored suddenly dropped from 10 to 5 in 2014 and remained there even after decriminalization of same sex relationships, which happened after 2014.
@Anurag Chakraborty As opposed to Islamic and Christian thugs who want to stone them to death or send them to centers to get cured??
@Anurag Chakraborty Are my feelings relevant to the score drop in the report??
Such lame point scoring in debates with inability to stick to what is relevant to the discussion is the reason behind Bengal's ruin. Sad to see some bengalis still havent learnt their lesson and are busy being woke on social media.
@@arunsar7893 Woke idiots like A Anurag like to talk about feelings. That's because they are unable to process hard facts.
The fudging shows clearly.
@Anurag Chakraborty Bengali Leftist? - tell me which religion's extremists kill LGBTs for being LGBTs.
"Torture the data, and it will confess to anything."
Even during my stats II paper assignment , I saw how classmates used deliberate samples to skew the overall outcome to their favor.
We all know the reason.
So you’re saying your degree is a waste then because statisticians are never to be believed because they are all conmen?
If everyone at college cheated at Chemistry lab you’ll say next chemistry is a lie ? 😂
@@gomezmilkin340 Again for even window dressing those outcomes you need to have a good knowledge of the fundamentals. The folks I'm talking about were basically lazy to collect sample datas .
@@gomezmilkin340 again these practices are common in various fields in different ways a very good example that comes to my mind would be Chemistry Practicals .
@@romson2829 its a very generic argument you’re making that every field has flaws? I’m not sure that’s entirely a shocking finding.
Non believers will always question all types of science from shape of earth to climate change.
Throughout the video this tune kept playing in my head "Golmaal Hain bhai sab Golmaal Hain".
I consider Swaminathan Ayer an activest economist. He admitted trying to stop the Narmada project which gave water to lacks of people and took back his words. I do not read such people but look at proper finance people like Morgan Stanley or in India CNBC TV 18 Lata Venkatesh. They give a pure economic perspective.
So-called Intellectuals, Gyanees, Journalists are shaken. SG and their ilks will hit at an opportune time. When the report on Freedom of Press came out, and India was way down he never defended. (It's a different matter India needs to improve a lot). Ever ready to run down.
Interesting Shekhar Gupta gets offended by a foreigner's comment. Potentially insinuating that person could be hyphenated and in any case inconsequential.
However The Print is yet to come up with an article on "Unhyphenated" article on "Meta-wire" issue. May be this is The Print's Unhyphenated Journalism!
In any case India should not be huffing and puffing about ratings...rather work on improving quality of life for Indians.
How is he offended? He says he invited the guy over for a talk and then says that he seems like an upright person
Random guy who is not prominent at all
@@AKumar-co7oe Coupta shows his ideology and inclination on twitter... Here he only subtly peddle his BS to influence gullible idiots.
@@fusion7837 he's posing with the guy and giving him his books. Babones called him his 'guru' of indian politics.
Either way, don't need validation from 3rd rate reactionary conservatives
Ha ha.. one thing Mr. Babones has done in about 30 min is de cluttering the meaning of intellectuals in India. Now every one wants to say I am not intelligent.
Gupta Ji has listed out countries who has a fraction of India’s population.
Sorry sir, you have created more clutter leave alone cutting it.
For sure India loves Mr. Babones, accept it gracefully.
My fellow Indian citizens, any criticism of India is not a criticism of our government, but it's a criticism of us the people too. Let's be honest and say that despite the corruption and the bickering, the governments, state and centre, are doing a bit of what they can to develop India. But us people don't like to follow traffic rules. We spit and litter on our roads. We do everything ourselves, yet when someone points it out we feel upset. "Be the change you want to see in the world."
All these things won't matter if the population is not controlled and if the illegal immigration from neighbouring countries is not stopped. Simply unsustainable. BSF as an organisation is one of the most corrupt in the world. Aadhar system is easily bypassed. Any alien can easily make his/her adhaar card and claim citizenship. All these issues are impossible to solve and therefore India as a nation is doomed unfortunately.
@@rog5asus416 I agree. But immigration is not an issue unique to India. We don't see the US or any European countries blaming immigration for lagging behind in development right? Anyways, Amit Shah is going hard on illegal immigrants. I hope it results to something.
@@reach2prasanna I don't understand why people tend to compare two completely different regions and use one template on the other. How porous has the borders of western nations been in since the start of the 20th century? How many people have migrated to Europe and US without detection? How many people who migrated to US and Europe are unskilled and living off taxpayers money? Are the numbers, scale, chronology, anything even remotely comparable?
It is so ridiculous when comparisons are made where logically there can be none.
SG is intellectual
Hahahaha
😂😂
Freedom Index used Tek Fog story of wire to downgrade India. SG did full episode on it. And now we know What the Tek Fog was.
Salvatore right 👍👍
Every one knows who are the intellectuals whose sole agenda is to defame India because they don't like Bharat
Problem with all the ranking and indexes concerning India is that data in these rankings are not collect at panchayat or ward level basis. Which distorts the reality of india a lot.
As, in India Social, economic and political realities can change from locality to locality whether in village or in cities.
Hence, there is a greater need for localisation of data.
You clearly have not read most of these reports then. You think India is the only poor country in the world with rural population, and all surveyors are idiots?
According to intellectuals when they are doing well India is doing well. Before Modi came in they had importance and prominence. Now they have lost it so India is not doing well According to them
1. Babones mentioned only intellectuals as anti India but forgot to mention journalists, NGOs, capitalists etc. Shekhar is obviously on his list! 2; The point is not about bad rating of India but using it to beat Modi with it and using it politically. We should appreciate why we are failing to improve and have a healthy debate is required. But that is missing and hence, the issue.
Thank God for Salvatore.
Shekarji you are one of them that Professor pointed out.
Gupta ji now says he is not intellectual. I remember in one of the episodes he said Modi is Authoritarian ruler. 😀
Haha, any ranking/rating which start to decline only from 2014 should be taken with a bucket of salt😂
"I lived in a dictatorship in Brazil,
and i was arrested three times.
I felt in my flesh what it is to live
under such a regime and
experience deprivation of
freedom."
- Paulo Coelho.
I have no issues if Religious freedom & foreign funding of NGOs goes down to zero.
Freedom of religion is a good thing moron
@@anshuraj4277 religious freedom to do what monkey face doorknob? Bomb kafirs? Mob Lynch? Block roads & chant Sar tan se juda? Brand Swords on religious procession? Behead people for blasphemy? Or convert other people for political means?
Earlier this year, the Oxford Center for Hindu Studies held a conference regarding how Hinduism is defined along Euro centric and protestant lines. What does this Euro centric perspective of Hinduism mean? Well it means, if Hinduism doesn't follow the Protestant model, it is not modern, incapable of reforms, stuck in it's old ways. It also means you ignore reform within Hindu practices and institutions. This means people with 'Protestant' leanings and/or influences are projected as the sole class of reformist people. For eg, Reforms promulgated by anti caste Ramalinga in the South are labeled as not modern, maintaining barbaric practices. That's why we learn more about Raja Ram Mohan Roy (I must stress, his efforts should not be understated) and not someone like Ramalinga.
Thanks to Nehru, this perspective has essentially been cemented into Indian intellectual thought and propagated by Govt since Independence. In some sense previous/contemporary generation of Indian intellectuals, have ironically become Macaulay's children or Macaulayputra.
This was just with Hinduism, now the same intellectual extends that thought tradition to India as a concept, country, idea etc.
I think we do need a serious rethink about several things about India.
Hinduism is a religion and hence untrue like others
Btw Caste is barbaric
@@fusion7837 I'd recommend Prof Rick Weiss Rethinking Modern Hinduism.
He seems like one of the intellectual Salvatore was talking about. He is directly on the backFoot. :D
Less points in relationship? Decriminalization on relationships among LGBTQs, increase in "live-in" relationships, Protecting women victims of divorces just through words, etc.
Its the job of Indian journalists to correct our image, we the people don't have to suffer and be embraced for voting who we think is a strong leader.
What about wire meta feud? When r u going to cover it?
Shekhar keeps on choosing hunger index point to drive his conclusion. Salvatore babones didn't say that it's an incorrect survey he said that UPA govt before 2014 election sent estimated wasting data rather than real data which actually came in 2015. The data point is being compared based on that estimated data which showed wasting had increased substantially but that wasn't the case.
Sekhar belongs to the intellectual class 😝😝😝
Can we get a CTC on The Wire and Meta stories
No..bcoz we are liberals
Khan Market Gang 🔥😂 !!
Salvator is absolutely right, it's more of people looking for outside, if people were to search if India a fascist they will a plethora of news reports suggesting that India is. which like saying China is democratic
Be honest, you felt called out.
Salvatore is absolutely right.
The so-called intellectuals staying in India have the freedom to criticize India whereas in qutar like countries the intellectual patients are absent.
25:22 How did Same-sex relationships go from 10.0 to 5.0 in 2014? (Last para Relationships, first row) What happened there? Wasn't it criminal though not prosecuted before 2014? I thought it was decriminalized in 2018? Shouldn't it be back to 10 in 2019? A quick search shows Supreme Court expanded the definition of family to include same sex parents of children in 2022. Perhaps it will go back to 10.0 in the next iteration?
absolutely true, sir.
are Somalia, Chad, Pak or many other countries better than many indices !!!!!
definitely not, but many international organizations intentionally downgrade India's rating in many index.
this is impact on the mindset of foreign investors badly, as we think to invest in country like Somalia(a country of Africa) as per our perspective, other foreign investors think to invest in India...
they picked up Ideas according to different indices, like Environment, policies, ease of doing Business and many more.
Come on SG, no one needs a PhD for being entitled as 'intellectual'! Intellect comes from life experiences, deep reflections on those experiences, and having a capability to express such deep reflections to the larger population.
There used to be a time, till mid-20th Century Europe in which PhD holders were called Public Intellectuals. Now, this is forgotten story!
Sir Mr. Salvatore B Hit the Bulls Eye …Hope So called Intellectuals and over rated Journalists do Self introspection
There's a deep seated bruised mindset that SG exhausts himself to explain how bad the situation in India. He compares states with less than 30-million population with one with 130-million and a diversity deeper than the blackhole. First, let's understand who's an intellectual. Is Vardarajan an intellectual or Rana Ayyub for example? Is Arundhuti Roy or Prashant Bhushan or say Mohua Moitra? They each have an axe to grind and their discussion is never on a broad spectrum based on a shred of good behavior. The Modi government has tightened the screws on these personalities and taken on aggressively on the likes of Imran Khan and President Xi. They have sent Abdullahs and Muftis into oblivion from their taxpayer funded lifestyle. The government has attacked the corrupt institutions who survive on undesirable elements. There are other issues that's concerning: nutrition, education, employment and health care. Mind you, many of these are state subjects and it brings to shame the kind of elected governments we have in them. A culture of freebies do not address them. Molallah clinics with Doctors or bare staff to run them. Not Modi's invention! Brush the mindset once in a while like one's house needs to be swept daily. You will see change on the horizon.
SG you are an intellectual, what Phd could not achieve is the wisdom in delivering the message
Also shekarji Right to centre in USA and Canada doesn’t equal or same as Right to Center to India
Left which is Carl Marx ideology is always left globally
Right is also very diff in very countries it’s very local to each country
A large number of humanities and social science people profess left-leaning ideologies which color their thinking
haha Please underestimate yourself, you are the cream of intellectual class.
Excellent coverup Gupta ji. I am not buying it.
In India, a person can throw bad words directly to PM and still India's freedom index is very poor
disgusting index about India.
You are also an intellectual! You are also one of them. You have higher reach than us but he may not be talking about your case.
Any nation as densely populated as India will have the same problems as listed in the report. Undoubtedly, there are big areas of improvement but the bigger problem is the fact that it is still fashionable for certain people in the country to project the nation in a bad light. Can't blame the outsiders because it is their "duty" to do so.
The clock is slowly turning. The Professor said something vital. He said that the Indian public intellectuals in their " public persona" are anti-India and not in their hearts. SG is a fierce patriot but has an occupational Dharma to be loyal to or at at least appear to be objective in the eyes of the international brotherhood of intellectuals. Truth is that the world is controlled so far by the erstwhile colonials turned imperialists. They set the global narrative. Every one on the planet knows the truth but it takes time to reverse the narrative. Mao prioritized this aspect and told the west to go to hell. They tucked their tails between their legs and warmed upto him. We need at least a decade of fierce efforts at enhancing our comprehensive national power, relentlessly and ruthlessly assert our case ( come hell or high water ) and then thump the global table. It has started happening. The deracinated westernized elite is Indian after all and they will come around. We should be gracious when they do that. Once the Quislings are shut out the global narrative will lose its edge. The Chinese, Asians and Africans already discount the western folklore. We are one fifth of humanity in numbers. It is our turn to be at the helm.
Its not just Government of India also The print take these ratings seriously cause they have made a whole video...
Intellectuals and professionals all over the world utilize these ratings to form an opinion about any given country.
It is because of these manipulated stats that India is not getting foreign investments or political support for its interests in the UN and other international organizations.
So this is not a minor issue.
Shekar, you are making a presumption that the major motive for surveys is the right vs left, or anti Modi. It's the Christian missionaries which play a major role as well. Doesn't matter right, left, center or right, right of center and WHATEVER! However I do agree that the data collected in any survey is worth taking a look even if we don't agree with the inference.
Sekhar dont feel guilty
He might be. He tweeted who cares and later made a video on it.
If, like everything in India, the government focuses on improving the rankings and not actually improving the situation of the country (same as learning to score better marks in exams rather than understanding), they'll end up working on the technicalities and the rankings may go up without any actual impacts.
All phd's are not intellectual, but you are an intellectual for sure.
I like the list of countries ahead of India in media freedom ratings 😂😂😂😂 thank you Shekhar ji for showing us how relevant these ratings are 👍👍👍😂😂😂
Hi Shekhar - I listen to you quite often, and to be honest, I have not taken the subscription of the print so far. I really like your programs and cut the clutter and most other program.
I really request you to do a cut the clutter on the reasons why the rating for India is low in global hunger index or freedom of press index
I promise you, I will take the subscription of your channel the next day.
Mr SG has proved that it is very difficult to justify a false narrative.
My God what a great research work to prove Mr Salvatore wrong
By this Mr SG has proved that we are right in thinking he is wrong.
Mr. Gupta this episode of the print has just proved that Mr Salvatore Babones argument was valid
Main argument of Salvatore was that Indian intellectuals are anti-India. It's known fact that any international agency cannot go and do sample survey of common citizen as they are required to do survey of more than 130 countries and within timeframe. Salvatore has a valid argument and he is correct.
I agree with him. I see same thing from JNU, Durgapur university, Harvard.
that “hello” at 11:47 😂 signature SG🙌🏽
I see for the first time , Sekharji cluttering the main topic of discussion 😊
Since his statement prof. Ashok Swain of uppsala uni has gone mad and calling him names to malign his image and questioning the university where he teaches.
It is about reporting and sample size, they should live in those countries for a while and then report
Most cant even speak even 1 local language
Very true, most of the people who comment on India have no practical understanding about size and diversity in india.
When health is in concurrent list and police is in state list how to difference between central incompetence from state incompetence regarding "rule of law" and "hunger issues " . Also when judiciary is in none list filled with its incompetence too . Where to point finger for the root of the problem ??