Seizing Humanity's Future: The Story of Kromer
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- čas přidán 18. 12. 2023
- I hope you all enjoy your nativity! This year for Christmas time I though it would be best to discuss one of Limbus Company's best and probably most memorable (so far) antagonist. Kromer, The One Who Grips! Being the introduction to N Corp's presences in the game's world, Kromer is also a densely packed character with a lot too discuss link back to her main story of inspiration!
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Actually, N corp’s Inquisition isn’t the main force of N Corp, it is just a sub division of it. As stated by Meursalt who brings up that it used to be a much smaller division. So it isn’t right to call it the entire N Corp.
The entire corporation would simply wipe us out without much trouble.
I’d agree with you on that if the sigil itself wasn’t present in meursaults banner.
Nope Nagel und Hammer is the full name of N Corp.
You were probably talking about how the Nagel und Hammer Inquisition doesnt represent all of N Corp.
@@backspaxce7206 Nagel und Hammer is the full name of N Corp. But, **Kromer group** does not represent all of N Corp.
Meursault: "Nagel und Hammer... the Wings that value experience above all else. Some criticized prosthetic usage, as they believed pain is a necessary component of human experience. However, it never escalates into the extent of direction that we are witnessing now."
So, this is the conclusion:
1. N Corp is all about human experience: sadness, happiness, pain, etc.
2. There is a **fanatic** group inside N Corp that believes pain is an extremely important part of that experience, so they want to kill all the prosthetic users because by replacing the body with mechanical parts, they remove the pain. (Just like how the Inquisitors did not believe the man to be in hurt when they were torturing him).
3. Even if they are **fanatics**, they should not have rampaged the Nest like they were doing. There was a reason why this happen, and the Bough experiment to turn Kromer into a god is one of them.
It was mentioned however that the craziness of Nagel und Hammer was spreading over to the rest of N-corp after Meursault left. Who knows how much power Kromers cult had in N-corp before they left for Cawl.
@@backspaxce7206 My B, I meant the lesser inquisition division. Especially seeing as their canned experiences would probably be sold to those with prosthetics for top dollar sales. And as shown with N Corp Meursalt, the actual Corporation has no problem with using those with prosthetics to forward their goals, such as his K Corp ampule feed. So I doubt the entire corporation shares that same absolute ideology of humanism as Kromer. I think it is more rooted in keeping pure bodied humans in greater mass to better can experiences from.
In ruina, Roland brings up that most robotic bodies and prosthetics can be left in a pitiful state of feeling nothing or nothing but pain. Not something to really sell to the same glamorous perverted personal experience as Suicide.
I apologize for the broad statement instead of talking about the inquisition force. My point was that had it been the entire N Corp, we would have been eradicated.
I think after Canto 5, Ahab has taken over as my favorite Antagonist, but Kromer certainly had a large impact when fighting her and reading through Canto 3 initially...though that was perhaps due to her fight actually being scary cause it was launch week. Great video, gave me insight into the source material I would definitely not have otherwise.
Yo even ESGOO likes meti nice
I love villains that gaslight gatekeep and girlboss
Also can't wait till he analyzes Ahab. I hope there would be a comparision between 2 gaslighters.
Both are fantastic antagonists, I don't know which one I like more
its mr charge himself
Man can you not post high quality videos during my finals? You're gonna make me fail.
Kromer is hot.
This is so true 😭😭
I love how PM interprets the source material in a way that is both honest to the spirit of the original while also imagining how the relationships would work under modern sensibilities.
It's my favorite part of pretty much all their adaptations tbh, really shows that they have a deep understanding of the source material they are adapting from.
What are they adapting from? SCP?
@@Tortle-Man Whilst the core basis of Abnormalities and Lobotomy Corp comes from SCP, and others like it. Pretty much all of their work contains elements of Urban legends, Fables/Stories, Classic/Modern Literature, Ideologies and even base human aspects.
Both on a macro and micro sense in terms of scale. Named characters are more often than not literal literary characters and aren’t just parallels in look or name alone.
small correction again.
kromer does not become an abnormality. (that would have killed kromer and made demian unable to kill her as we see in game.)
its debated she becomes either a distortion or a peccatulae. some arguing she becomes a middle ground between the tow.
Someone who stood in a fine line between human and distortion.
Like Greta, Pluto and some others.
Dongrang Who Denies All is specifically listed as a distortion by the characters even though it pulls in elements of the Gluttony Peccatula. So it is more likely that Distortions influenced by the golden bough pull in elements of the Paccatulae to their designs similar to how EGO brought forth by the golden bough hold the title of “Effloresced” which means to give off light or to bloom like a flower, which ties to the imagery of the golden boughs.
Considering Leviathan introduced an unexpected & unexplained development of a Distortion turning into an Abnormality, & Kromer's experiments of EGO corrosion with her troops, I wouldn't be surprised her goal of "godhood" was in fact turning into an abnormality herself, one that embodies purity of flesh similar to Nothing There.
@@reddishcarp1237 I agree with this theory. Before L Corp could extract Abnormality and EGOs from a person, they used to face failure and turned a person into Abnormality instead. So what we were seeing in Canto 3, in fact, was the 'ascension' of Kromer into a Flash Abnormality (maybe Everything There). By doing that, she was indeed trying to become a God, because Abnormality is a representation of an aspect of human's subconsciousness and they would never die.
P/s: this 'ascension' is even more alarming than Carmen's Distortion. The Distortion just traded your logical thinking and sanity for more power and you are domineered by that power. At the end, you are still a human and could be killed or restored into normal state. By becoming Abnormality, you stop being a human and become a physical symbolism equivalent to a God.
@@winslycan1309 This is bit alarming but also not very dangerous, becoming an abnormality is limiting yourself in your own ideals. Abnos cannot grow beyond what they are, they cannot think outside their objectives. They are about as much of a god as gravity is, which is until we tame it.
Something fun about the Mark of Cain in Limbus: Demian and Sinclair aren't the only ones who have it, Sonya from Canto // and even some of the Sinners have it as stated by him. Though interestingly, Rodion is the only character we have that is confirmed to NOT have the Mark.
Also Rim (one of the league of nine members that showed up in canto IV and now V)
Dante can see it so he also may have it
One often overlooked detail is that Dante’s clock hands form the Mark of Cain. Specifically there is a long hand and a short hand, and two divets in Dante’s face which form the mark.
Noo rodion
@@tepig2828 Holy cow I never noticed that
N-corp's singularity is their canned experiences, not the mirror. The mirror was an iteration of an invention made by one of the league of nine members that Yi Sang improved on.
It’s kept in a weird vague back and forth with the timeline jump and limited knowledge with N Corp in distortion detective
So I can definitely understand someone mistaking it the Dante codex does a horrid job on explaining the timeline or asking yi sang for specific clarifications on both the mirror and infinite corridor systems or some specifics of Faust and Dante background themselves like how Faust found yi sang
But they indeed had the Mirror. Besides, owning more than 1 Singularity is normal. Look at W Corp, they have 3 Singulairties on their train at one point.
@@winslycan1309I thought they also borrowed T Corp's singularity for the time saving
@@RenoKyrie Yeah, that one, and the Singularity to open a portal to another dimension, and the one to restore the previous state. 3 Singularities at the same time were on that train.
@@RenoKyrie nope, their contract with T corp is to store the time spent inside the other dimension, so that T corp could sell it later. My guess is that mantaining the W corp singularities cost way more tha they can get with simple tickets and VIP ones, so they decided to collaborate with T corp to get the extra funds they need to operate, and in exchange they stretch out their trips as much as possible in order store as much time as they can.
I had recently ordered in a copy of Demian and received it last night. Convenient timing.
Kromer is hot.
Coincidence can be quire scary
...A certain captain with a whale killing addiction would call this fate.
My favorite antagonist from Limbus Company is Dongrang. For me, this was the saddest fate of all the characters so far in Limbus Company. Maybe it's because I'm finishing up my studies to become a veterinarian, but the events that led to this end were very emotional for me.
chapter 4 is still my favorite canto despite the flaws its just filled with alot of tragic characters
My favorite is Kromer because she has way more aura and can basically break Sinclair by just existing around him
Agreed-even if I like Ishmaels' canto more. Ahab's a fine villain, but I feel Dongrang's more unique- someone who became vile not due to nature or a single traumatic event, but by a long slow process of compromise after compromise that we only really see the tail end of. Plus it kinda foils Yi Sang in an unique way-somone who's passion was consume by their carrier, by they identify with and work with the consumption instead of burning out
Love that Meti is doing some Project Moon videos RIGHT when I'm in my limbus addiction. Glad you're still doing character analysis!
Between two Worlds Realm of Darkness is such an interesting song to me in that it feels you could apply it to both Kromer and Sinclair. The most direct lines being "You have invaded and recreated me" being able to be interpreted as Sinclair acknowledging the control he's been under all this time, invaded by Kromer in such a way that he can't go back to the World of Light anymore. The admiration he had for her, the desire to have Kromer's determination being taken advantage of and leading him to his downfall expressed in the whole verse:
"Stepped over my body
found a sunny spot,
curled into a ball.
Spinning out the silk,
from my head to toe.
Inside the warm cocoon
I dreamed to be like you"
And yet the inmediate next lines are: "Though I know there's no undo, what do I have left to lose?" Sinclair acknowledges his mistakes, his cowardice, his fragility, and despite everything decides to go on. Going back to the beginning of the song "Maybe that was when I chose to stay fallen" representing how he has decided to affront the World of Darkness, how he will no longer long for his long broken shell. His true rebirth, expressed in the last lines:
"My tender skin
A vagitus song
I breathed
And screamed
From my new lungs"
Which have such a deep parallelism with the book themes. I think this quote really encapsulates it well: "The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must first destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is Abraxas". Sinclair's fight with Kromer is his test to be truly born as a person. Thanks for the analysis! Limbus Company's writing is so deep, thinking back on all the thought-out details always reveals new stuff!
Yeah the hardest part about this video was trying to capture the raw emotional energy of Demian in words, I call back to the novel a ton in the video but still feel like I didn't get it perfect. Especially in the case of Between Two Worlds as both segments have such a rawness too them. It'll be a great song to revisit when I eventually get around to covering Sinclair as a whole.
That God's Name is Abraxas...
*UTENA?!*
Important to note that N-corp meals having the ability to numb one's sensations actually matches up REALLY well with Meursault as his inspiration is pretty much that
Meti not the bad guy: chances are the most popular Project Moon fan
Kromer is hot.
markiplier
@@Sneedposter93source?
@@eryks.9777 his lobcorp video
@@eryks.9777
There's a meme edit where they edited the intro to his first fnaf video to say limbus instead of fnaf
another thing that I'm surprised that you didn't mention is the fact that "The Sign" that The one who shall grip Sinclair has, is actually incomplete. It misses the final pip at the bottom
And also, if i recall correctly, it loses the second pip in his uptie 3 art too, leaving only the big one left
@@funninoriginal6054 It's actually still there, the big one's angled end was just covered by his hair
Meti's Project-Moon-Verse saga is my favorite one yet
Kromer is hot.
Another PM video? Did not expect that guess meti is really into the PM universe
He is one of us!
the brainrot spreads
He did said he wanted the W cap
I'm still waiting for wonderlab tai video
@@pnf404to14
Not sure he's gonna cover wonderlab since it's tecnically non canon anymore
You have no idea how happy this makes me, seeing Limbus characters finally getting the recognition these deserve with such well crafted videos just sparks a fervor in me ❤ one side note though is I belive N-Corp Sinclairs sanity decreases with each attack not because of the mark but because he is literally breaking as a person. He legit has no one else to turn to so he sticks to Kromer who abuses him horribly and he can literally do nothing about it, he only gains sanity either when he hears Kromers whistle because he's just that trained like a battered dog at that point or when he uses his defense skill called "Enough...." it's literally Sinclair trying to fight back but he's so conditioned he can't ever break out. What's even more fucked is that in Fausts Kromer ID its revealed she did that to Sinclair just so she could flaunt superiority over other Kromers in other worlds, Nclair is literally just a abused, shattered, shell of a person who is used as a trophy in monument to her own ego and I think Nclair knows this to some extent but he can't doing anything cause where else is he gonna go?
Project Moon characters are DENSE. Meti's doing a Boss Rush of YT video essays.
she just wanted to be a big shot
Her name is Kromer?She must be very *[HYPERLINK BLOCKED]* to have a name like THAT!
Important clarification, the Glass Window was not an N Corp Singularity, but an invention by The League, specifically by Brother Young Ji. After the events of Yi Sang's backstory, it is implied Gubo got sponsorship from N Corp to continue his research, explaining how that may have gotten to Kromer's hands
MERRY CHRISTMAS, From Kromer
Kromer is hot.
I was the one who posted about Kromer's connection to Jung's essay on Wotan in the subreddit earlier this month, so I'm glad to see the information is becoming more widespread and that people who actually know a lot more about what they're talking about in terms of the terms is doing some coverage on it.
Please make a video about Dongrang/Farmwatch and Ahab.
The way you analyzed the works and references around Kromer was incredible, I would love to see a similar analysis with Ahab and Dongrang.
Now's your chance to be a
[BIG SHOT]
I can hardly wait for more PM videos, Even just from Limbus we of course have the Sinners, but also Dong Rang or Ahab along with any future characters, and in other PM works there's the Sephirot/Patron Librarians, Angela, Carmen, Xiao, Yan, Philip and many more
The brainrot consumes and persists.
May you spread it further.
In any case, nice video as always~
The editing in these recent videos is really good.
Kromer is hot.
I always interpreted World of Darkness as a conversation between Kromer and Carmen, since Kromer, by giving into her desires, distorts (I think she even mentions something about the sun or hearing Carmen's voice in the cutscene before the battle)
And a lot of the lyrics support it
Maybe that was when I chose to stay fallen - choosing to distort
Lights, A star - sun imagery of Carmen
A voice
A twisted thought
A touch
A kiss
A distorted dream - the word itself is used, but the general imagery also matches up with how Carmen is shown to corrupt
A fruit
A sin
A holy mother - Carmen's general deific imagery :D
Found a sunny spot, curled into a ball - can't help but think of Ayin's memories of spending time with Carmen in the sun. And again, sun imagery.
And the general imagery of a second birth/rebirth matches to the image of Carmen as mother of all abnormalities, the mythical mother of monsters figure, who by transforming, gives new life.
I see now though that both interpretations hold weight.
I thought that too honestly
[[K R O M E R]]
Finally some good Project Moon content WOOOOOO
Kromer is hot.
Thank you so much for making another Project Moon video I really love this series and hope I can see more of it covered!
Extremely interesting and informative video, loved it! Kromer is one of my fav limbus antagonist and I loved learning more information about her.
I absolutely love this video i feel the way PM adapts stories into their own is so fascinating, i do wish you maybe could’ve talked about demian more as i feel as he is so integral to everything and his contrast to kromer but im sure we’ll be seeing him and his group a lot more sooner or later
This dropping while I was writing my own Kromer essay is so wonderful, everything you've discussed so far is so insanely good, I'm not even halfway through and I am super excited to continue watching it!! ♡♡♡♡
N Corps ideals and even to some extent Kromers subset of it is probably the closest in line with the Heads way of thinking.
I'd say it's the more extreme version of the Head's view on humanity, since the later believes that if someone had human origin, they're still a human even with prosthetics or EGOs
Really loving these in-depth character analysis videos on PM characters. Would love to see one for my boy Yan
This makes me so genuinely happy
I remember watching your Jojo videos years ago and seeing you make such great videos on my favorite game series now is like a dream come true lmao
Love your videos and I look forward for what's to come!
Hell yeah, my dude! Glad to see you keep you doing these!
This recent switch to making pmoon content is something that I enjoy a LOT, please make more! You could make one on Yan, I consider his story and character very interesting
A wonderful video. Would love to see more on The Sinners in general!
22:48 the offering of gold is referring to the golden bough and its power to revive people in varying states of not being dead
"Why does a common fire have so much power?" might also be a shout-out to Pistorius, the rector who tells Emil about fire-worship and Abraxas.
Really glad to see you covering Project Moon content. I know I’m the future an Angela Video will be long or as longer as the Roland Video.
Love the tiny sinclair in Kromers hand in the tumbnail!
A small correction, N Corp isn't NuH, NuH is just a small branch of it that gained power in the last few year (heavely implied to be thanks to K Corp), something that Mr. Salt points out since at the time he was part of N Corp something like NuH was but a small niche group inside the Wing.
we also do know her full name is Franz too
Extremely good video! Also, I really appreciate the imagery from Strange Journey. I'd love to see you talk about this game sometime.
Thank you for teaching me and a lot more PM fans about all the minute detail that exist in these characters
Oh my god, you're a godsend blessing. This would help my thesis proposal on Sinclair's adaptation into Limbus Company😆😆
Great video, looking forward to more diving into PM. Canto 4 please!
Not a very important insight to add on (in fact, it is purely speculatory on my part) is that we DO see other abnormalities from this specific L. Corp branch aside from the ones mentioned in the video. While the serpent and bloody-feral thing abnos are implied to be created after the takeover of N. Corp, Headless Ichthys and Alleyway Watchdog (and like what you mentioned, Everything There) are possibly from this L. Corp branch as well. Before the first Refraction Railway update, these two abnos used the mountain of corpses background from Sinclair's basement for their mirror dungeon levels. Although since RR1, this was updated so that background fit the abnormalities more.
It's really not important or confirmed, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless ^^
i used to watch ur jojo videos and right as i get into project moon you start to make videos about it keep it up man
I just picked up limbus and Kromer really stuck out to me. I tried looking for a character analysis on her with no luck. Glad to finally see one!
I feel like kromer would fit well in Warhammer 40K I wonder how she would feel about xenos.
Project-moon-writing-wholesome-and-happy-love-stories-challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I’m so glad you’re doing project moon stuff now
Oh my god, finally some showing of project moon games with a really good youtuber!
Nice, another PM video!!
Kromer is hot.
Meti: kromer is so unforgettable with her character and story
me: i love mental unstable mommy
god I am loving these videos. keep it up
i hope you make a DongRang video later, that would be a wild ride oh and also great video as always you make great stuff
Meti making a project moon video is not something i knew i needed but FUCK YES i now need MORE
Speaking about the Sin of Lust, its pretty intriguing that all of the N Corp IDs have a Lust skill in their sets
...except Grobhammer Meursault
I thank you so much for getting into project Moon
As seen in canto 4, the Mirror Tech is and always has been a sub-singularity of K corp’s after being essentially plagiarized by dongrang, and Nagel und Hammer was allowed to rise to power from a small extremist group into a large force due to collaboration with K corp
Dude how are you smart, how is your brain so big, how are you so cool??? This is by far one of the most well done PM video essays, let alone video essays in general, I have ever watched in my life. You’re so good at explaining things, connecting things, calling back to things, and so thorough with evidence. Kromer may be the yandere mommy I want to grip me at night but you are the one who had gripped a like button
very good and fresh video thanks
The book is amazing would highly recommend and the song in the game hits a lot of points in the book
Now I need a captain ahab video
Kromer is hot.
LETS GOOOO NEW METI PM VIDEO
2:53 bold of you to assume theyd bother to change the name for gender. Remember harold
Fair, I just like the name Franczeska honestly
Kromer is hot.
Amazing video.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE N CORP INQUISITION
I like how many interpretations Realm of Darkness has; When I first analyzed the lyrics i realized they could also be applied to Carmen temping people into distorting. During the slow buildup to the chorus "Lights, A star, A voice, A twisted thought" you can actually hear a deep voice joining the chorus (which only becomes easily recognizable on the next verse "A touch, A kiss, A distorted dream; Ripples.") Symbolizing carmen sowing distorted thoughts on people's heads. The following verse is: "A well, A stone, A multiplying desire, A fruit, A sin, A holy mother" which hints towards Carmen dubbing herself the title of "Mother of all abnormalities" along with the very obvious biblical references... Also, a fun fact, one of the many iterations of The Virgin Mary is called "Our Lady of (mount) Carmen"
Later on, theres the verse: "Breaking, breaking, breaking the shell, break it out, oh break it now; Show me how, Show me how, Listen up my broken child, Lets lament, the life, the death, the good, the bad, the never-ending curse we cast" which could be interpreted as Carmen goading people into distorting and cheering them on to "break out"
I could go on and on about it honestly, but yeah, to me personally the song is about Kromer and her mind getting sloshed by Carmen's ideology and her fully perverting without realizing that instead of becoming a god, she’s always been her pawn.
Also I think the last bit of the control/release verse: "Invoke, Evoke, Decode, Reload" may be referring to the process of her experiments; she invoked (reached to) the abnos, evoked pain to cause corrosion, decoded the ways in which they worked, and reloaded by moving onto a different abnormality
Oh boi we getting out the kroomer room with this one🔥🔥🔥 Nclair gonna get gripped
taking a moment to interject: if you notice N corp sinclair's mark of cain is incomplete. it's unfinished because in the story the mark of cain is more about freedom from good and evil, and traditional notions of such. it's a whole thing i cant really explain but what's important is that the mark is incomplete on nclair. he's unable to escape kromer's grasp. the baby bird could not fight its way out of the shell. all of which is expanded on in the uptie story
You can also say this to Dante aswell
Because while we dont know who Dante was originally, current Dante has the potential wanting to be free from good and evil
Merry Christmas
wow this was incredible! do you plan on making analysis videos on every canto's antagonist?
I didn’t even know about this whole story but I love it and I want to use this story to more inspire my D&D campaign. It’s a city of light and didn’t know how to make it more evilish but this helps a lot thank you.
Kromer is such a good villain
can't wait for the dongrang/dongbaek (assuming you cover both) and captain ahab videos
Limbus Company mentioned!!!
Can you believe it Christmas is just a week away
I’m sorry but Spamton immediately came to mind when reading the title.
I'm glad I went down the Project Moon rabbit hole this year. Their games I feel scratch the MegaTen itch.
Ruina and Limbus having a Clash system deffinitly stand out since i cant recall any other turn based games where both you and the opponent attack at the same time
Story wise, yeah i think PM did much better at the World building while SMT dont really have one?
I mean, there is something, but its weird
19:05 after dinner tonight, I'm going back in there!
Although I'm not a Kromersome i can still appreciate this video, great job
OH MY GOOOOD A GOOD LOR VIDEO!!!
While the main cast of Limbus themself are very fun and interesting to follow along. It's the big bad of each canto that made this game's story great and stand out. I really hope you'll make more Project Moon related videos in future like this one
Still wish my bro Gregor got a better fleshed out details down the line. His Canto are just like a veteran with thousand yard eyes while others got strong resolution at their end of Canto.
@@mrmasher1126 i agree, i love gregor the most out of all the sinners. sadly his canto is more like PM was still testing the water with the story of the game so his and Rodion were the least memorable canto stories out the 5 so far
@@mauvecosmic2996rodya and gregor are probably going to get another chapter later considering gubo and his team are still alive and getting stronger
@@mrmasher1126 All the 3 initial sinners will likely get a followup story to some extent.
They all lack quite a few things in their cantos (like the full EGO background).
Gregor especially has to many parts unresolved like how his mother implied that there's more to his arm that he's holding back.
Interestingly enough N&H hate *metal* prosthetics specifically. When Guido looks at the sinners, he only references Dante's head, completely ignoring Gregor's arm
Spamton's gonna get his sanity back bro
That one’s sanity has already crumbled…
Omi gosh... Oh wow... My favorite CZcamsR talking about my favorite game and favorite wife oh my oh my o my that is... Wow
I really hope you will do this for every limbus villain, especially Dongrang. The fact that Dongrang is meant to be based off of a real life individual incredibly interests me, but it also makes him incredibly difficult to research as someone who is not korean.
In regards to Kromer's fight, I legit freaked out when I realized that the text scroll in the background wasn't just a replica of the text scroll from Library Of Ruina's Abnormality/Distortion fights, but rather actually showed the lyrics to the song that was playing in the background XD
24:04 yea bro, we're looking at the stars. Nothing else.
Didn't expect this that's for sure
Kromer is hot.
kromer video!!!!!!! ⭐️⭐️❤️❤️❤️
Yoo some more pm content this is fire,also cool that its limbus cuz i feel like 90% of pm talk ie about lor
Interesting that you mentioned Odin. One connection I've noticed, and this might just be a stretch, is them both having only one eye.
So, in short, she did it all for goofs and laughs. And for her seenclayer