Conversation: Salam, Sciama, Witten and Budinich
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- čas přidán 30. 09. 2014
- The conversation is sparkling! Historical footage of Abdus Salam, Dennis Sciama, Edward Witten and Paolo Budinich talking about physics. Note that the conversation took place in 1986, not 1990 as stated in the caption.
Nobody notices that they are in the presence of a certified forklift operator in the room. It was me. Filming the whole conversation.
You did a fine Job Sir.
You lucky guy!
It’s beautifully filmed. You really capture the human element of these men who push the envelope of what is possible with regard to human cognition. Thanks for doing a great job.
I too am forklift certified sooooo yea
Truly in the presence of greatness
Thank you Eric for leading us to this gem!
..And Jamie 😁
Yup
So Dirac had already known that if super symmetry was authentic, it would have already been discovered. Reimer's tension scale was super close, but he didn't include time. Mr. Whiten had a moment to go in another direction and didn't listen to Dirac.
Edit, Witten
And Joe
@@Perrydog101 agreed, if super symmetry was more than a concept, the tension scale would have included chronological intervals. The inclusion of the conception of time is indeed a dilemma with both Dirac and Reimer, and the tension scale in general.
BTW I know nothing about Physics, (I hope I spelled that right)... I wanted to demonstrate how CHARLATANS like Deepak Chopra try to fake their own knowledge of Physics/Quantum Physics, with the sole purpose of appearing smart to sell more bullshit books. (I'm demonstrating it's not difficult to fake, because 99.99% of people cant tell the difference unfortunately)
Edward Witten's speeches are like academic essays) 1st paragraph, 2nd paragraph, Transition words, excellent grammar
He can speak, wow
@@Fabio-zd6oi
Yeah good luck though.
Only two Nobel Prize winners in the sciences have had their kids do so as well.
I'm only speculating, but I think he may have a photographic memory. He occasionally seems to drift off to another place and speaks as if he's reading from a paper.
@@lukelively8380 That's incredible to even contemplate.
It's kinda crazy how Witten, even as a young guy seems to hold court, with these older, eminent physicists almost deferring to him, asking him all the questions. Apart from his obvious physics expertise, Witten's knowledge of history and context of physics is pretty amazing.
He did get his undergraduate in history after all
Great respect for Dr.Abdus Salam and Edward Witten. Witten looks so young in this video.
This kid Witten is going places.
+JINXED 63 Yup, and he's the only physicist to ever win the "mathematician's Nobel" - the Fields Medal. Super-mega genius he is.
+K Dub Ed Witten certainly is going places. According to quantum physics he can be in two places at once....
You what?
The man created M-theory unifying all former theories of String Theory into one and coming up with a result that produces gravity as a consequence.
Even if you take away all of his physics achievements, the mathematical consequences of his physics as well as his pure math papers (he's written quite a few) would make him one of the most reknowned mathematicians in the world. Amazing.
This has got to be the most intelligent conversation ive ever heard
Or will...
Oh my god! Watching witten and Salam have a argument is like seeing Plato and Aristotle have a dialogue.
Not even close man
Alan Fertom Total futility, it went nowhere!
Beautiful analogy...
Hahahaha
i dint know what you guys saw but what i observed was that my buddy Witten scored 1 in the women's department and 0 for my men Salam
The sheer breadth and intensity of Witten's understanding of both physics theory and history is incredible.
Ditto!
He studied history as an undergraduate
Indeed. Very interesting discussion. Would have been more interesting if Penrose's massless photon end,of our Big bang before the next eon.
Just amazing
But yet he was somehow blinded by the utterly ret*rded idea of string theory, and helped lead physics down a long road to nowhere for multiple decades... strange how smart people can be so stupid, in his case with massive negative repercussions that have even stagnated the progress of humanity
33:29 brilliant camera-work
LMAO
yes wtf xD
30:04
Lmao the guy got bored of staring at their faces I guess
Expression is in the hands.
People like this are simply a gift to humanity for this whole species to progress further
I love how we can see the Witten ponder something, smile like a kid thinking about if he should present this idea, then he sends it.
After 4 years of this interview, Witten won the fields medal and you can see his passion and enthusiasm for Maths and Physics here...Sadly Abdusslam the noble laureate passed away in 1996 ...
Wrong Ed written got field medal before this,get ur facts right!
@@kaatnikaatni9012 and you get your spelling right,it’s Witten.
@@kaatnikaatni9012 the description says the talk was in 1986 and he won fields in 1990
after his death his grave was desecrated and while he was alive he was forced to live as a non muslim in Pakistan. If the pakistanis knew theire historic lore they would know all the troubles thry face now is because of the bad karma acrrued!
@@AbhayPeshin why? what was the drama that caused them to treat him like that?
All dead except one, but yet here we are 36 years later, watching them as they are being alive talking to each-other for us to watch and listen. It's what you leave behind when you die that counts, if you do, you never really die.
sometimes unbelievable I mean our forefathers would never haver concieved such technological revolution as this digital revolution through which we are able to see the masters
Thanks to Claude Shannon for our new found immortality
Everything and everyone will fall into oblivion eventually. For some people like Witten, it will just take longer but zoom out on time and you won't see any difference between an ape, the average human being, Witten and any supposed super intelligence.
Absolutely loved it
Iitian??
@@CD-123 bet your sweet fatoot ; not
Edward Witten is a remarkable human being with a mind of epic proportions.
Like The Rolling Stones...
Witten’s knowledge of physics, math and history runs circles around his piers. I’m convinced he must have a photographic memory because his recall of extreme detail is uncanny. And most exciting is his passion and love of the subjects and intellect, he gets almost giddy when he talks. You would expect fire to come out of his ears at times. His thought is palpable.
He took undergraduate studies of history, journalism and linguistics before moving on to Physics and Mathematics.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist and this is just a joke but if there is even one hyper-intelligent alien masquerading as a human on this planet I am certain Ed Witten is it. That was just a joke though. I did say "if" and that's an impossible if.
I feel honored to have been witness to such a great conversation. Thank you.
This version of Witten is so impressive. I don’t think non mathematician/physics types realise. this guy is 🤯
I get goosebumps when I listen to this conversation. I only understand it partly, but the notion that by the privilege of listening this you are at the forefront of science and understanding is simply stunning
Martin Stojanovik Absolutely..
Martin Stojanovik This conversation is over 30 years old, and is mostly breakroom chatter
This is 33 years old. It still feels like the forefront though so I get why you say that.
You only partly understand this, yet feel compelled to comment on your lack of understanding. Weird.
@@davismavis2834how so
Thanks for uploading this.
can you please make closed caption available ?
i have a friend that would love to understand it but he's def.
one of the greatest minds sitting in one room and discussing the origin of ideas. this is so beautiful. One can only be filled with wonder and amazement.
I wish we had equivalent Dirac, Schrodinger, Pauli, Bohr, Einstein, etc videos.
fuck yeah, that would be SO awesome!!!!
What an honor to watch the great minds together!
Thank you so much for sharing this with us, simply wonderful!
OMG the brilliance of this conversation is mind blowing
Before I ever heard Witten speak I just saw him in pictures and thought he looked like a badass who'd probably have a baritone, authoritative voice.
So fortunate to hear the conversation amongst these great personalities...
The best video I've seen in a long time, thank you for the upload
Every few no longer I come back and watch this video. It's surprisingly relevant
Literally some of the greatest minds just sitting together discussing the nature of reality at the must fundamental level….just purely fascinating.
Abdus Salam and Ed Witten at the same table. Two of the greatest minds who ever lived.
The occasion of this conversation seems to be the day when Witten was awarded the first Dirac Medal, as Salam said at 4:25, "Dirac, who we were celebrating today by giving Witten the first Dirac Medal." The award was announced on August 8, 1985. The ceremony may have happened in Feb 1986?
this is just amazing....all beautiful minds in one room...
Wow how incredible to have stumbled upon this. Thank you to the uploaded.
So many of the most brilliant physics minds in a discussion - just AWESOME !!!
Utmost respect for Dr. Abdus Salam. One of the greatest minds of 20th Century.
amazing to hear this!! thanks for posting
The sheer knowledge, understanding and genius in this conversation is tangible even after 3 decades. Beautiful. Brilliant.
Holy shit! It was quite a while ago when I received the answers to sooo many questions I had about physics, mathematics, and coming up with theories!
THANK YOU for uploading this.
Loved the conversation. this is more than 30 years old and feels like I am watching it live.
Absolutely fascinating to hear them talk about gravitational wave detection
The Brilliant Abdus Salam in his elements. Great to see all these geniuses talking. Respect from India.
Me, too. I like that discussion very much. Are you a physicist or just a physics enthusiast ?
Just a physics enthusiast, i am afraid, with a superficial knowhow on physics. ! I hope to delve deeper into these topics someday.
Harami Glm
I am a physics enthusiast, too. I am going to study maths or physics some day and till that I try to get more knowledge.
i dont like indian men, i think they're annoying.
Why dont you teach 'your' men not to meddle in affairs of innocent people ? You are ofcourse free to have your opinion..
So incredibly rare to have a video of a deep technical discussion between the best minds on the planet.
I too think Young Professor Witten's knowledge and sense of history of Physics and math (etc.) is, among other things, what makes him so charming and likeable... plus his humility, humor, and genuine love of discovery! ❤️😊
Amazing video, thank you. I was lucky enough to be a student at Imperial College London and meet Abdus Salam when he won his Nobel prize in 1979. Also met Kibble who is mentioned a few times. Interestingly, they predict the detection of gravitational waves within 10 years - it took about 30 in the end.
Nerd
@@not_co_co nerd is new normal for gen z
Interesting to visit 30 years after having a shared office next to Salam's. At. 11:00 Salam makes a reference to Chris Isham who never got into strings as far as I remember. At 19:00 Witten mentions Tom Kibble's cosmic strings - a beautiful idea, very big around 1990, not borne out by experiment. Kibble really deserved the Nobel for the Higgs mechanism for the later 1967 paper (Weinberg thought so). I do recall Salam giving a seminar on Chern-Simons which Witten had been pushing. And brings back memory of E8 - every 2nd seminar used to be on that.
Your name sir
Nice to see scientists talking seriously about real science. And, Edward Witten is truly brilliant
How much we miss in today's society with the scientists of today! We went from Dennis Sciama and Abdus Salam to Neil de Grasse Tyson and Lawrence Krauss, a true loss for today's youth!
Yeah. Not many world class physicists have been successful at communicating to the masses. That's why Tyson, Kaku, et al get so much exposure. Feynman has probably been the BEST ever to communicate to the general public as an upper echelon WORLD CLASS physicist.
I'm afraid that "today's youth" aren't that interested. Social media continues the dumbing down of the world.
Would it not be more accurate to say that we went from Sagan to Degrasse Tyson and from Abdus Salam, for exampel, to some of the many fine physicists of today who also primarily do scientific research?
Fredrik A Tyson has not published a paper in more than 2 decades. When he did publish a paper, I believe he was the 4th or 5th co-author... He does zero scientific research today.
***** Yes. I very much agree. Not only that, but social media has also made everyone into a scientific genius, so everyone thinks they know everything.
Ikjyot Singh Kohli There are some great physicist writing books out there for the masses (Weinberg, Lederman, etc), but the spokesman roles are consumed by Tyson, Kaku and a number of merely competent physicists. I think these spokesmen realized their limitations in the upper echelon of physics and decided to cash in instead. I don't have too much of a problem with that. We can still get great courses from Witten, Susskind and others. The thing that infuriates me the most are the quacks and utter crackpots out there who spread misinformation/conspiracy for profit. Many militant theists also add to the spread of misinformation.
I think Witten would cringe at how romanticized he is in this comment section. I also think it is what hampers successful communication between himself and most people today. Not to take away from his stellar achievements, of course, he is brilliant. What is fascinating or surprising to me is how understable geniuses like him are, the same impression I have of Einstein. They do not have the airy view of themselves that people tend to have about them.
Do you understand String Theory?
I agree. He would be confounded that people are marvelling at him rather than the ideas.
How you can watch any interview of Witten and not see that he exudes narcissism I do not know.
@@SoundsSilverHe's literally just calmly stating his scientific imaginings. How can you take that as narcissistic unless you are one of those people that think intelligence is arrogance? That's a profoundly American idea, cultures in other places don't have that association.
Abdus is like teacher seeing his extraordinarily brilliant student.
Witten ain't the student here I wouldn't say.
@@robertpirsig5011 I am just trying to give analogy by seeing video. Like teacher questioning student
@@robertpirsig5011r u fokn stupid
Salaam is the father figure here for sure testing his son, pushing him for answers. I love it
To think these conversations about String Theory took place in the mid-80s and then about 10 years later Witten would complete his M Theory research that showed that all the different superstring theories of this era were in fact all the same, in their limiting cases, of one unified theory!!!
Awesome to see their hopes at 40mins fulfilled this year :)
This whole conversation is delightful !
I always come to this video very often just to see Ed's talk
Who knows then,one day this smart kid wiould be world smartest person or would be one of the great Theoretical physicist,and only physicist ever who won field madal in mathematics (equivalent to nobel prize).
Ed Witten is a giant in his field.!! He is actually a genius.!
💜❤❤
This is the first time I've heard Abdus Salam.
I think Lie was originally looking for the Galois theory of differential equations of some sort? Peter Olver talks about it in his very well-written book on Applications of Lie Groups to Differential Equations.
Interesting to hear these long form conversations on things not seen by the human eye.
Its a grate privilege that to see the geniuses talking .... thank you ......actually I thing that we are in the era of converting the mathematics to a physics .......and that indeed like a great victory to a human kind, it seem as there is a continuous sound saying that there is a deep connection between our biological system and the universe....... it seem we are not in the era where we make analysing for the physics of nature by the mathematics only ......
Isn't it fantastic that we have free access to this video? 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
So honored to see Abdul Salam speak here,
I had the same conversation with my friends in the pub the other day. People seems to get very passionate about it.
Humm...I don't want to be a fly on your wall.
I would like to ask the same thing. Closed caption or subtitles... Please!!
English is not my first language and I'm working very hard to understand some of the things that are being said in this video.
Help me! =)
Great video! Is there video of the Dirac Medals being awarded?
Abdus Salam, indeed what a personality.
I love how a young Ed Witten holds the older guard of physics captive with his passion for sharing scientific nuance, beyond what they may have intuited.
Please allow for captions to be added.
This is wonderful! Does anybody have a link to a transcript?
This is GOLD ! Thank You CZcams !
I didn’t understand shit about what they’re saying but i watched the whole thing and I’m extremely fascinated by the sheer genus of Edward Witten, those people really make you feel dumb as hell
Very interesting discussion, even though at times it was difficult to understand them due to the quality of the audio.
Dr. Abdus Salam, the genius. ♥️
Fields medal winner Edward Witten with Nobel Prize winner Abdus Salam made my day.
It’s weird how these guys are actually intimidating, their intelligence could melt your brain
I have no clue what they're talking about but it's fascinating.
@24:00 "Galactic center with threads coming out and the threads are 100 parsecs long" That's like 8 times the Kessel Run made by the Millennium Falcon.
And then, twenty-two years later, Witten has to debate with ... Unzicker!
"The plasma physics involved would look rather complicated; Complicated enough that I certainly would never come to understand it myself"
Classic Ed Witten! Borderline sarcasm wrapped so beautifully in a soup of realism. Dear Ed......please don't die until you are at least 400 years old.
Great observation, but I do not think it is partially sarcastic, I think he speaks from a very human perspective. To us he may seem the intellectual god, but to himself only a human with limitations to his comprehension. That indicates to me a very healthy dosage of humility and, as you accurately state, realism on his part. He does not assume that he'd understand or be proficient at just anything, especially not in physics (specifically "obscure" physics).
He may be much smarter than us, and he knows many things we don't know. But he doesn't know wayyyyy more things than he knows
It's wild that 4 years after this conversation the Hubble telescope was launched and absolutely blew everyone's mind. Gonna have to go and find each of their reactions to hubble now 😂 great vid!
These peopels are heros.made this wold very easy.thanks sir .i stute you....
Amazing !
I'm proud to say that I understand some of the words they said.
19:27 the eyebrow raise of Edward Witten
Ed is 35 years of age here; a mature physicist and not a kid.
I love how Witten talks with his eyes half closed like he’s really thinking hard about stuff. It reminds me about me when I’m thinking hard about stuff and I try to relax so that my brain isn’t all overworking and missing the answers.
Written and Salam should have teamed up to become WWE world tag team championships.
Beautiful minds
Whether string theory is true or not, Ed is such an impressive mind, i'm quite inspired by him!
Hear what you're saying: you're revering a person whose theories are esotheric, and have never been tested with reality. No doubt his brilliance at math, but you should be utterly sceptical of his contributions to physics if they have never been tested with reality (i.e. an experiment).
@@samman350 Oh I don't think String Theory or M theory is it either. Witten is still the man though!
@@gaulindidier5995 why is he 'the man'?
@Julez O'Neil I get no responses that are substantial, I only get people calling me names and to 'stfu'. This is the same reaction that strongly religious people have when you question their beliefs. I'm not insulting anyone, I respectfully question the relevance and justification of the practice of string theory.
@Julez O'Neil 'understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest', 'private, confidential'. Just try to read a quantum gravity paper. How does this definition not apply?
I love how there's levels to genius. 3 brilliant minds listening to a clearly more intelligent human, and they all know it...
I wonder how many conversations Einstein had with his peers discussing relativity and impressing everyone.
This is the most enjoyable conversation I've ever seen. Are there more videos similar to this?
Did this take place before M-Theory was devised by Witten? It seems like you can almost see him come up with the idea of "going home and discovering M-Theory" at 7:19.
This should happen a lot more.
This was 1986: A time if maximum optimism. Salam's SU(2)xU(1) had just unified the electroweakforce, SU(3) would soon be confirmed with 3-jet events. Gauge symmetry was king. It was pretty clear SU(5) was the GUT, and then into gravity, and it would be super.
Well no. protons didn't decay, su5 was wrong, 30y later the Higgs was found but no SUSY...we are lost. There's been some fun in the neutrino sector, but otherwise: nothing new has happened in particle physics. Looking back, I put the W, Z (Salam) discovery (1985) as the beginning of the end of the glory years of particle physics...and this interview capture that optimism perfectly.
Ofc Sciama hints at where the action would be: astrophysics. Cygnus X-3 is a bust, but all the mind bending data have come from above since this was filmed.
I was just about to type this out myself
“I’m not late - given the time dilation of postulated quantum gravity in a Higgs particle accelerator I’m early in a way you could never understand.” -Witten
Who knows then that kid,one day will be world smartest person,a great Theoretical physicist,a great mind..!!❤💜❤💜
what a brilliant young mind Witten was at the time...
legends are here
Listening to these gentlemen speak is like listening to great music... not that I understand even 5% of what they're saying, however. I remember reading something by Paramahansa Yogananda where he speaks of, I think it was his Samadhi experience, where he saw great whips lashing curtains of light into the illusion of reality and all creation. Perhaps what he was seeing were cosmic strings? Wish I could remember where I read it...
Ryan Blais Take heart: 5% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
"Listening to these gentlemen speak is like listening to great music... not that I understand even 5% of what they're saying"
You don't understand it...yet you think it is brilliant.
You have a problem.
Ken Sandale - That's almost a Haiku. Well done.
I can see the Napoleon Dynamite persona based on a couple of Witten's traits. I love his level calm voice even though I have almost no comprehension of what he says.
Great call, wow.
Those glasses make Witten look 3 times more clever than the average person already :P