A Visit to the High Speed 2 Depot (or where it will be)
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- We're back in Birmingham to see the nerve centre of High Speed 2.
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From HS2 page:
"The first Bromford Tunnel TBM was named ‘Mary Ann’ after Mary Ann Evans, better known by her pen name George Eliot, who was an English novelist, poet, journalist, translator and one of the leading writers of the Victorian era. The name was suggested by the Warwickshire community and TBM Mary Ann was launched in the summer of 2023.
The second TBM was named Elizabeth by pupils from Paget Primary School in Birmingham, following the tradition of naming HS2 TBMs after famous women from the local area. The machine is named after Dame Elizabeth Cadbury, who spent her life campaigning for the education and welfare of women in Birmingham."
Mary Ann also reminds me of the children's book "Mike Mulligan and His Steam Shovel," where the steam shovel was named Mary Anne. Not sure if it the book is popular in the UK, but in the US it's a classic.
@@mxg75 In the US the most famous Mary Ann would be the character on Gilligan's Island. But I do remember that book!
I went to college with a guy named Mike Mulligan. I don't recall the book ever being mentioned though.
@@mxg75 No, that book doesn't exist in the UK.
@@mxg75 I am in the UK and I have that book! Also Katy and the Big Snow. Not quite sure how they ended up in my collection but they're good ones!
@@JohnyG29 If it's a book, it can exist anywhere.
jago - maps please. Us Southerners have no idea where this is or where you are!!
Brum and east of newstreet or the artery about to burst on openrailwaymap in Birmingham
those of us in other countries are even more lost
You evidently have internet access, so plumbing "HS2 Washford Heath" into Google Earth and/or Google Maps will return the info you seek. (And yes ... I did check before posting .... you're most welcome).
Neither have we Europeans 😮
@@thesteelrodent1796 It is just outside Birmingham City Centre UK in the district of Washwood Heath on the site of the old LDV and Metro Cammel Railway Works
Im glad you are tackling spiral staircases and giddying heights so that we can watch the goings on from the comfort of our armchair.
I'm envious. Love a spiral staircase. I visit certain tube stations just to climb them.
Did you count the steps on those stairs ?
See Alfred Hitchcock's 1958 movie Vertigo if you want an awesome virtual experience.
In years to come videos like these will be invaluable historical items showing the before and after of such a major construction project. Carry on waiting.
Quote of the Day: “But then I would say that. I’m a train nerd.”
Surprised being a train nerd you didn't mention that the site you was at was once Metro Cammell - birthplace of many an Underground train like the Bakerloo and Piccadilly units, and sets like the Class 156 and first batch of Pendalino's. Also the MCW Metrobus.
Originally the Metroplitan Railway Carriage and Wagon Company, the site began production in 1845. They also built Mk V tanks during WW1. He could have got a whole episode out of it!
@@bobgnarley1 Perchance he shall at a later date.
And the METROCARS
The W in MCW was the company name of Metro Cammel Weymann after the takeover of Weymann Coachbuilders of Addlestone, Surrey. Builders of truck, bus and Rolls Royce bodies. Although it was the clients decision as to who built the body for their new car from a list of approved coachbuilders. They also occasionally did restoration work on horse drawn carriages.
And the legendary Class 101/102/111 DMMU's. You can't forget them! (Ok, the 111's were a bit fuel hungry, but they were just as reliable and slightly more powerful)
have not seen an excavator with a telescopic arm before but completely understand why it’s used
U beat me to that, although I was gonna mention the likeness to that infamous film 'Alien' with its protruding jaw...
No worries. I think your audience is mostly train nerds. Thankyou for the update.
Mary Ann (Evans), real name of North Warwickshire author George Eliot (Mill on the Floss, Middlemarch etc.). Elizabeth, nothing to do with the late Mrs. Windsor, in actual fact one of the Cadbury family of culinary industrialists.
I'm a bit disappointed George Eliot's real name wasn't Georgina
10.000 square metres.
Equal to the inside of a standard athletics track. Or ten plots for detached houses with modest gardens. Or the floor area of 100 modest houses. Or 1000 cramped hotel rooms. Or 10.000 1 square metre squares.
01:00 This shot is great haha
I certainly share your sentiments on the northern extension! As always a superb video, thank you!
Fingers crossed that somebody in Government gets their act together and re-instates the line all the way up north...Especially as a GE has just been called by a soaking wet PM! Another good video, Jago!
Lavender Hill - loved it!
I live a short distance from here. At various factories on the site, my father, my uncle, and lots of my neighbours used to work. My father worked at the "Met" before it made underground carriages. My uncle worked at what was then the Wolseley Car Factory. These two, with Fort Dunlop, were the major employers of the area.
The building of this tunnel confirms what they have always said is the reason why Birmingham can never have an underground railway. I did not understand the reasoning until Jago's simple explanation about the pressure on the tunnel from below.
HS2, give Jago an extra chocolate biscuit for teaching me something.
I live near there so I really do hope it will help with bringing refurbishment to the area and revitalise the stations that went out of service in the sixties
Definitely. Castle Bromwich and Bromford for starters.
Jago: don't worry about us Americans. An American football field and a soccer field have slightly different dimensions but are roughly the same size. At most high schools, the football field doubles as the soccer field. And during the World Cups we hosted, all the games were played at large football stadiums.
An hectare is a square of 100m side. A 1/100th of a sq kilometer
In british units its about two and a half acres. Also I made the mistake of looking up british football pitch sizes . The premer league teams do not have standard pitches. There are different standard for the youth, children’s and seniors leagues.
bizarrely the Lavender Hill Mob is on BBC iPlayer. I have it open in another tab and I'm stuck in the Eifel tower spiral staircase section as I can't stand heights either
Run, Dutch, run!
With the general election in July, I hope this project turns for the better
Evidence for said election? Can't help but be skeptical with this current Government.
@@mattevans4377 check the news
Check the news
I don't think so. Labour do not seem eager to take HS2 beyond Handsacre from what has been stated, though there was a story a little while ago that Louise Haigh (Shadow Transport Sec.) did want HS2 to get to Crewe, but not much ever came from that. So if we get something extension related to HS2, i fully expect it to merely be Phase 2a to Crewe, but likely under a new name i suspect
I've lived/suffered through many Labour governments, and if there's one thing they LOVE to do its cancelling major projects that are almost complete.
"...which is easier to understand, unless you're American". Want the T-shirt!
In case anyone's interested this was the site of the former LDV site and they built tanks there in the 2nd World War. The school where I teach is just down the road.
He missed "I'll see you all again for another tale from HS2" again.
That telescoping clamshell digging machine really looks like a Xenomorph that resulted from a Facehugger having gotten loose in the midst of a previous earth-moving project.
That's the only interesting(?) thought I have to share.
JAGO: You are never boring! You dig up too many interesting facts to be so.
24 hectares is 33.6 football pitches, which is an awful lot of grass manicuring and white line painting.
24 hectares is also 240,000 sq meters
I'll never understand why they convert areas into football pitches as a means of measurement. They do that over here too. For anyone who doesn't play football, that has just a little meaning as any other measurement. Like when a length is described as certain number of buses, or saying something is as tall as x number of some building. Anyway, just a slight rant
We can always have it stated in proportions of "Size of Wales" which is the usual alternative for larger sized things.
@@SimonLant yes but what fraction of Wales is this?
@@SimonLant or how many sheep fit in
Nice to have the great Jago up my neck of the woods.
When my great grandad was a signalman, he wasn't.
Oh, and a hectare is a heck of a lot of t'are.
Your relative would be at home in my area of Network Rail where we *still* use semaphore signals connected to signal boxes with wire, pulled off with levers. One think I’m certain of; it matters not which party forms the next Gov, the northern section of HS2 won’t be reinstated. Fine words about nationalisation (most of the railway is already nationalised), with no mention of actual £ investment, or any details at all for that matter, butter no parsnips. Nothing will change, apart from window-dressing, and ‘investment’ will consist of giving us new oranges with ‘British Rail’ on them. We all know it.
The Highspeed folks are spoiling you, I like it😊
Anyone else mesmorised by the hydralic boom crane and bucket excavator units moving in and out and up and down?
I was, I've worked on many construction sites but never saw anything like them, though I've now been out of that game for twenty years.
You're not alone, and these excavators reminds me of the sadly scrapped Hulett unloaders of the US great lakes. Same movement of plunging a bucket in a deep hole, like a long necked monster eating its prey's carcass.
Yes, I was. Reminds me of the flim Alien...
You also got Hythe Road and Old Oak Common stations to be built that London Overground have got plans to build 2 new stations to be so close to Old Oak Common HS2 station. And the Elizabeth Line to serve Old Oak Common once the new station is completed.
awesome HS2 prequel. History in the nerve center making. The HS2 will need a semi-serious public relations - explainer...so maybe there will be a 551st job there for someone on HS2 Depot _like_ JH...hint hint... from across the larger pond. This person would keep the HS2 lines smoothly flowing (or flowing smoothly), the passengers gently entertained, and without any concerns whatsoever. Cheers! (I am American but I think I can say this).
American here. I did the math, and an American football field is 57600 square feet, or 1.32 acres. A UK football pitch is 69300 square feet, or 1.59 acres. The conversion rate is roughly 1.2 US to UK. Not too far from the current dollars to pounds ratio. Hope that helps.
Erm, excuse me. The median area of a UK fooball pitch is 74058.75 sq ft. Given the wide range of dimensions permitted, the area of a football pitch can be anything betwen 45,000 and 117,000 sq ft.
According to the surveyor sat next to me, 1 ha = 1.86873 football fields (the proper ones). So 24 would be 33.613 football fields.
In everyone else language that is 240,000 square metres.
Jago, I’m with you all the way on the Northern Extension.
Unfortunately phase 2b was cancelled or you'd end up near Barrow Hill and it's roundhouse for a depot. A place with a load of railway history and a Roundhouse with some old engines in (you could still make that looking at the 2 ways into Sheffield *nudge* *nudge*)
That concrete box reminds me of the new one in canary wharf for the liz line.
Interesting to see MPB are involved. Mick Boyle was great craic at Molesworth.
At time of watching, I am in the Charlie Hall public house, which is about ten minutes away from the Washwood Heath site.
I nearly got arrested in there for obstructing the police drug sniffing dog. I find it hard to resist petting a puppah at the best of times but after a few pints... DOGGO!!!!!!!!!! 🥰
Don't blame you over not liking climbing mate, equally difficult for me an' all. Them steps are the yawning barrier to our shared gravy addiction.
Once HS2 is completed and finished I bet you would be filming the new Old Oak Common station and the new HS2 trains. I can’t wait to see what HS2 will look like. And 2 new London Overground stations to be built nearby to Old Oak Common.
I'm not sure why they didn't install a firefighter's pole for the downward journey. I would. But I think the only train company that'd put me in charge of safety would be the necropolis railway who'd be grateful for the business. Be quicker though!
How much work wld get done. Wld there be a team 'slide' and a team 'dance' and maybe even a team 'acrobatics' and wld they argue about access?
Excellent as always
It's not so much 'land you don't need' as 'land you don't need permanently'. It's difficult to build something in only the space it takes up itself, you need to get around it and have somewhere to put stuff between when it is delivered and when you use it for construction. You kind of gave the impression that projects acquire land they don't need, the law doesn't allow that.
It'll be quite difficult to go further north if they don't build enough new platforms as Euston
This is why if there one segment Labour should reverse is the downsizing of Euston an instead commit to a 10 to 12 platform station.
The original plan was to build 11 platforms in two sub phases of 6 and 5, in conjunction with the two phases of the line, but then it got cut to 10 as it was thought that they could then be built in one go. Now they've cut it to 6, so they might as well just revert to what they were going to do to start with!
@@DavidKnowles0At the very least, there should be provision for that many, like the way Marylebone was built
Back in the 1970s, in my teenage years, some kind person in the New Zealand decided that instead of measurement of area in acres, we should use hectares. Several decades later, I still can't remember how big an area each represents. As for measuring weight in cageys, that's only mildly baffling. I better stop now, I already look foolish enough.
When I was in Paris, you could only use the zig zag stairs from the ground to the 2nd floor. The famous spiral stairs from the 2nd floor to the top are off limits and had been replaced with traditional ones in 1983 anyway. It was fun to use the permitted stairs but it's just not the same. I'd gone specially to seek out the spiral staircase. A small section of it is preserved on the tower like a wee piece of sculpture. Other sections of it had been auctioned off.
To what were these 'famous spiral stairs' attached?
@@roboftherock They appear to mostly wind round their own column. It also appears from a contemporary drawing on Pintertest that there was a straight section leading to an anchorage of the column. The official site has a contemporary drawing of them wound round their column. If you can find the scene from The Lavender Hill Mob, it'll help.
They were cut up into 24 sections of which 20 were sold off.
You may be a train nerd, but you do seem to have a new love in that long-arm excavator ;)
I take a hectare as being about 2.5 acres. Thinking in "football fields" (assuming we're talking about Association Football) can give some widely differing results, since a football field's size can vary between 90 x 45 metres (4050 m2) and 120 x 90 metres (10,800 m2). (Nerd mode off)
as a massive nerd for trains, especially for trains here in liverpool, you should definitely come and do some stuff on the old terminus, Liverpool Exchange, which might have the NPR and perhaps HS2 (if that northern section ever comes back)
also the LOR cause it's a bit important
Great share, thanks Jago. I wondered where you got your interest in trains from.
Hi Jago
Rule of thumb: 1 hectare = 2 acres = 2 football pitches. Cheers
It's 2.5 acres. So 24 hectares is 60 acres.
@@msg55072.47 acres. You might think that 0.03 of an acre doesn't matter, but it's about the size of a barn
CHEERS, Mr Thomas, for another enjoyable episode in the series. Did you know (an' norra lorra people know this), that "Integrated Electronic Control Centres" - allowing large geographic areas of railway routes to be operated under the auspices of single "Control Towers" - were actually introduced Stateside, back in 1927, by the General Railway Signal Co. of Rochester, New York state?
Dubbed CTC - 'Centralized [sic] Traffic Control' (still used today, in principle) they're better suited to "long, thin railways" (as opposed to "short, fat railways" like we used to have here in the UK).
New Zealand followed - also pre-war. Then, those states of Australia which followed American practices (as in stark contrast to those states following British signalling practices), followed by South African Rlys (often way more advanced than you'd give them credit for) - who appeared to share technology with the Aussies.
Nice TED Talk!
Jago, The median area of a football (or for our Colonial cousins - soccer) pitch is just under 3/4 of a hectare. If you remember that piece of information, you will be able to ascertain whether the people at HS2 are giving out true facts or are trying to pull the wool over your (and therefore our) eyes.
Well now we finally have a general election, let us just hope that whoever wins is a bit less shortsighted than Mr Sunk. I for one am still hoping that the norther extension will be reinstated in some form or other.
Was "Sunk" a deliberate pun or fortuitous serendipity courtesy of Autocorrect? Either way, I thoroughly enjoyed it. 😆
@@PartarioAbdullah-Levi A bit of both if I am honest. Watching him looking like a Drowned Rat as he announced the date outside in a rainstorm I couldn't help but reflect that where other countries have events like "The Velvet revolution" and the Prague Spring, the best the UK can apparently muster is "The Drowned Rat Election" after which of course "things can only get wetter..."
@@jennyd255 Not necessarily due to Autocorrect. A recalcitrant finger can also cause such excellen t errors (I'm not correcting that additional space, since it occurred naturally). 'Things can only get wetter'? Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
If I could give you another 'like' for the Lavendar Hill Mob reference I would ♥
No wonder this thing is costing so much! Mudstone, waterlogged, and a site that's old industrial land and polluted about as much as an English River...
Many railroad projects (especially passenger rail) make more money from selling or leasing excess land than from anything else. This has apparently been so throughout railroad history. The Brightline Florida project is counting on that.
Looking forward fo Jago making a model of the entire depot area.
A JH video without a single train? Now I need to rewatch one of your DLR videos to get my daily dose of rolling stock 😂
I tried to get a train in the distance, but I don’t think I managed it.
@@JagoHazzard Let's open up the 4th dimension. There will definitely be plenty of trains where you've been standing.
Wash wood Heath could honestly do with some development. Despite the nearby Jaguar Land Rover plant and Fort Dunlop it never seems to be anything other than the bit you drive through when coming off the M6 to go into central Birmingham. Maybe this will help.
It is actually Spelt " Washwood Heath"
The site is the old Metro-Camel Works side and part of LDV factory site. So a railway replacing a railway company
Great stuff, Jago - I wonder if the signal centre and maintenance depot have remained the same size despite the truncation of the line
Perhaps the Mary Ann boring machine is a reference to the mysterious Mary in Half Man Half Biscuit's "Everything's AOR"... After all, her CD collection was said to be quite dull, consisting of Sade and Whitney; Vandross and T-Pau.
This site was shown in the background of a number of scenes in the recent BBC drama, This Town.
#BrumNerd 😂😂
More tracks desperately needed from B'ham to Crewe and beyond to provide capacity for more freight. Please build Phase 2.
Cheers. You're the Ginger to my Mary Ann
How about a ginger snap to my cup of tea?
Residing in the North, videos like this really do make feel like HS2 is really happening...... if you know what I mean.
Lost opportunity to name the TBMs "Mary Ann" and "Ginger". Shame that.
And like you, I too hope the next government revisit extending the project north and see its real purpose: easing long-distance congestion on the main lines and allowing local services to increase.
I can assure you clay is not easy to dig. It's what my allotment is made of and it's horrible.
Snap ... My garden which I use for veg as well. I can dig it basically twice a year. May and October otherwise it is two hard or too heavy
they didn't warn the stairs were 15 floors?
Brilliant video sir, I never get invites like that :-(
Well if 65 hectares is about 100 football pitches, then that means there are around 3 football pitches for every 2 hectares.
Therefore, 24 hectares is approximately 36 football pitches.
Of course, football pitches do not have a fixed size, but operate within a set of bounds outlined by the FA, so...
I'm sure I've heard somewhere, that it's tradition to give TBM's female names....
Talk about favouratism. How about Jimmy or Fred or 'Hey You'?
In Yorkshire someone who is a bit dippy or does something stupid is some times call a Mary Ann Great video as always thanks
If 100 hectares is 65 football pitches, 24 hectares must be 36 of them.
Actually, there is no standard size for a football pitch, but the max and min dimensions put them somewhere between 1 and 2 acres. A hectare is about 2.5 acres
I liked that, so I pressed the button specifically for that \m/
Aha! You also watch John on Auto Shenanigans. What about the Whitewicks, Martin Zero, 3 Minutes and other transporty type vlogs?
@@grahamrowntree5573 the first 2 of those \m/
HS2 or that thing we cannot have enough discourse about
Very interesting Jago - Thanks for the Up-date - Will you be there filming it when both the Elizabeth & Mary Ann @ 3:10 (sound like they are both named after Queens Jago!!!) boring machines come through the wall??? 🤔🚂🚂🚂
Think they are named after brunel daughters
He had a daughter named Florence. I was able to find on an archived copy of the HST site that Mary Ann was named for Mary Ann Evans who wrote under the pen name George Eliot. I couldn't find anything about Elizabeth.
Incidentally I did see that another HS2 boring machine was named Florence, after Florence Nightengale.
In another comment @JanErikSebestyen has the answer, quoted from the HS2 page.
@@drewzero1When they named the Old Oak Common ones Emily and Anne, I wondered whether they'd been named after two of the Brontë sisters, but then I remembered that all the others have been named after people with connections to the areas where the tunnels are, and indeed those ones are as well
I wouldn't like the look of those stairs either!
Good morning, by the time I’ve got round to watching another great video… Curzon Street, Birmingham, I’m guessing? Can’t see it being Curzon Street in Mayfair 😊
It is Curzon Street Birmingham !!!
@@peterwilliamallen1063 I know it is
@@pauljmccluskey5532 Then why question it then as why would trains be terminating in Mayfair
@@peterwilliamallen1063 You clearly don’t know London! It was meant to be a sense of humour as there isn’t a tube station called Mayfair, let alone it being a terminus! The Curzon Street in London is a shopping street and NOT a station!!
@@pauljmccluskey5532 So why the joker, might make sence on this subject if there was constuctive critism not jokes, and yes I do know a bit about London concidering my family on my Mothers side and my Mother came from London, but it appears you don't know much about Birmingham. You write rubbish you get tagged.
Clearly one of the many benefits of leaving the European Union is that we can use such simple, easy to understand and practical units like hectares.
24 hectares are roughly 34 football fields
But did HS2 resort to confectionery based bribery again?
I was promised there was to be no math in this video!
FYI: 1 football (soccer) field ≈ 1 acre. 1 hectare ≈ 2½ acres (football fields). And one hopes HS2a ≈ reality
Education time: a hectare is an area equivalent to a square 100 metres on each side. There you go.
I do agree with you Jago, I really wish the northern leg went ahead instead of the London to Birmingham one as in the north railway connections are really needed
HS2 is not being built as a Northerners commuter line, talk to Andy Burnham.
Washwood Heath was the former site of Metro-Cammell's factory
The U.K. should join the Belt and Road Initiative. China is the world leader in high speed train development.
So I play this little game where I try to guess what Jago will say when he says "you are the ____ to my ____". No spoilers, but I finally got it correct today, albeit in reverse.
Anyone think Sir Keir Starmer is likely to reinstate HS2 in full? No, me neither
Because the size of a football pitch can vary, the "average" pitch is about 3/4 of a hectare.
It is just a pity that you could not get one person on each level of the spiral and have them perform a synchronised descent. (1:00) Perhap not, though. That might have set up vibrations similar to the marching ants of cartoon fame.
You mean those guys on the HS2 project haven't installed lifts?
100 hectares is about 247 acres, which is roughly...
*About the size of an executive-scale golf course.
*About two hundred and fifty PROPER football fields (not that strange game called "football" but really should be called soccer).
*Over nineteen thousand regulation tennis courts.
So, it's quite a bit of square footage.
Hi Jago. You didn't quite mention what the nature of the pollution was - would you like to (politely) elaborate? Was the Elizabeth tunnel late, or was it still Crossrail at that juncture? I've done the math for you: 24 Ha is approximately 37 football pitches. No medals, thank you!
Hopefully the new government come 4th of July will reinstate HS2 Manchester or may be the section to Leeds.