The high cost of free parking
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- Hidden parking rules hurt our cities. Will Chilton and Paul Mackie of Mobility Lab explain.
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The cities we live in are shaped by the way we get around them. Over the past 60 years, with more and more people opting to drive cars, the need for parking spaces has increased with the boom in driving.
To accommodate that demand early on, cities and towns started requiring developers to include parking with their new buildings after World War II. These policies, known as mandatory parking minimums, set precise standards for parking spaces for each building. And these parking spaces don't come cheap.
To learn much more on free parking's affect on cities, Donald Shoup's book is here: www.amazon.com/High-Cost-Free...
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“Land is expensive for housing and free for parking and you wonder why we have a problem??”
Nailed it.
Cars and parking decrease the cost of housing because it allows people to live less densely. Cities with the least planned parking also have the highest housing costs. Car culture comes with a litany of problems, but one of them isn't higher housing costs.
@@jp1563 Uh. That is definitely not true. Parking increases housing costs by taking up valuable real estate that can be used for other purposes. Cities with lack of parking lack parking because it's too expensive to use expensive real estate for 'free' parking that generates nothing in revenue or tax income. You need to compare housing within the city that has and doesn't have parking. Housing with parking will always be more expensive than without. It is the number 1 reason why cities are doing away with mandatory parking minimums because it arbitrarily drives up housing prices. Density is always going to increase with demand whether you like it or not. People will live where they want to live if they can afford it.
Jonathan Park housing is not even cheap
how many cars do you have?
@@taoliu3949 And that is completely offset by the increased mobility that allows people to choose to live further from where they work. You are looking at one dense neighborhood and saying that housing prices in that neighborhood are more expensive because of parking. You aren't considering the suburbs, and you aren't considering the number of people that would choose to live in the dense urban area if it wasn't for car culture.
Don't copy america when it comes to city planning.
Generally copying america isnt a very smart move if youre already in the more developed half of the world ;)
Literally me after studying urban planning
Soff1859 Europe’s streets are littered with cigarette butts and drunks who you tryna chirp
@@lucabacchelli at least we have this thing called "freedom". I dont know if you muricans heard of it. But it says you can drink anywhere you want, including public places, as long as you dont bother people.
Soff1859 woah no way you guys can drink in public? I can’t name a single other country where you can do that
That's what happens when a public policy is dictated by motor industry
Shispirina and then there’s me who’s a foreigner that thought free parking in the US is one of the greatest things on Earth.
that's what happens when there is a public policy
@@izdatsumcp No. That's what happens when you're a failed state where corporations dictate a policy
@@alexanderchristopher6237 Free stuff isn't the US, freedom is.
@@izdatsumcp but parking is still free so often?
Because the companies control it!
You need to break out of your freedom illusion, you dont have the most freedom
explains why walmart or costco parking lots are so big
@@mrnarason But do you need 5 thousand if at black friday max. 1000 people can enter the building at once?
Yeah I was thinking mall parking lots
joke is on carmarkets that you need car just to get across that parking space to front door.
Actually Costco generally fills their lots on a regular basis, so this might not be the best example. Not disagreeing with the overall point, just the specific example of Costco.
Our Costcos always have full parking lots. Walmart and other shopping centers are rarely even half full.
Let's put all the parking lots in West Virginia.
This is the true solution. Everyone will drive to west virginia and the people who are NOT sucking car manufacturer's dicks will have proper urban spaces.
Would probably make more money than WV let's be real.
I live in WV, don't need more problems than we already have
I thought West Virginia already was a giant parking lot
Eww It's Him I was just thinking how that is a great use of west Virginia!!!
“8 parking spots for every car” except on campus where there’s
.0001 spot for every 8 cars after you’ve paid $300
LITERALLY
a lot of times the space is there... its just a 10 mile walk from the parking space to class.
a j and when you late you can’t afford to park far away
Austin Martín Hernández spunds privileged to me
@@EnyaShello how does that sound privileged?
You cannot do anything without proper and efficient public transport, which many US cities lack
Many US cities *had* this until regulations and interventions absolutely gutted them and forced local communities to be more spread out.
Zoning laws create this problems
billchoi2000lsc sorry I can’t hear you over my freedom
Well if you have tons of parking required people have no reason to use public transport.
Dillon Dodson what??
In the US there are minimums for parking spots- in Europe, there are _maximums_ for parking spots.
That said, this really disincentivises using a car even if you do have one, because there's no guarantee you'll find a spot, and usually end up a ways off in a paid parking spot.
Olivia esddms who’s economy is better? Yeah that’s what I thought
Disincentives on driving can help reduce CO2 emissions.
@@adamlynch9153 This argument is more reductive than Donald Trump's twitter account.
@@adamlynch9153 why did you watch this video?
User Name care to elaborate?
when i visited the us, florida specifically, it was one of the things that really surprised me, the huge amount of parking space
unlike any othe country of course...
And the highways? soooo many roads! it's impressive, but it sucks
Djone Tan compared to European countries there's a massive difference.
I live in Florida, we usually have alot of empty parking spaces but once you go to another state you have to pay alot for parking.
Joshua Garay yep , south Florida is always doing Road construction for some reason.
In Japan, on street parking is non existent and off street parking is expensive. Building are close together and parking lots are very small some of which are stacked vertically. Its the polar opposite of America.
One thing that sticks out is that parking lots cause everything to be spread out, which makes cars more necessary and more of them are put on the roads, which then makes more parking lots necessary. What a vicious cycle.
Japan has the most population density in the world. The government has no choice but build more public transportation because they can't afford making huge parking lots and wider roads. Government decisions are majorly affected by real situations not ideology, that's why Japan cities are so different from American cities. But I wouldn't say Tokyo is better than LA just because everything are closer together in Tokyo. There are good things about spreading out.
Bo Zhang Again it’s about how much one would be willing to sacrifice (personal space and car ownership) for greater good (less congestion and emission). But I can see it will eventually come down to how wealthy you are if having greater personal space and mobility are penalized by land value and auto/fuel tax exponentially, hence deepening the resentment from the grassroots, just like in Hong Kong.
Any cities in Asia is also like this
Perhaps you missed the underlying point in the video. The automobile is what has led to the incredible inefficiency in the way land is used in the United States. There is no benefit to suburban sprawl from a purely macroeconomic perspective. Everything costs more when people are sprawled out. More utility lines, water, sewer, internet service have to be built out. Public services like fire, police, emergency response, mail delivery, all of which increase in expense as people sprawl out. People today spend more of their time in a given day going from point A to point B (up to a quarter of a day in some instances) resulting more gas burned, fewer hours of productivity at work, strained infrastructure and lost opportunity costs. The irony is that instead giving Americans more freedom, cars have made them prisoners of them.
If American drivers paid the actual cost in dollars for driving, you may think twice about having one. For one thing, our roads and bridges are in serious disrepair in some instances and the majority of areas are in need of some repair. If roads and bridges were being maintained at the same levels that airports, railroads and other mass transit, we would be paying considerable higher road taxes than we do now. Another thing we don't pay dollar amounts are for pollution. In Europe and elsewhere, they have been for years.
Japan is not a real place.
Why you talking parking about an anime city...
I didn't realize how much I hated driving to stores and navigating parking lots until I moved to an urban, walkable area. It is so much nicer to be able to walk to places to get your necessities.
Parking lots are doomed due to the popularization of Internet shipping and delivery. Not a bad thing IMO. They are such a waste of useful space.
4 years later, parking lots and suburban development are as big as ever
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others don't.
@@michaelatorn8380 the problem is that minority of Suburbanites that eat up most of the city budget and space
So if parking spots dissapears, what do you think happens with shipping, which will became not an option but necessity? It will be free? I'll bet not, will be another type of scam which will cost you up to 50% of things you've bought
The Japanese solution is just to remove parking requirements AND on-street parking. Businesses who think it in their interest can provide exactly as much parking as they like, but if they don't provide enough/any we still don't have to worry about their customers abusing street parking. A whole secondary industry of private parking lots/garages naturally develops, with prices controlled by the market. It's a very important feature of the country's walkable cities.
You also can market control on street parking in the digital age too
You also can market control on street parking in the digital age too
that is super interesting
This
“Prices controlled by the market” right... then you end up having $640,000 parking spots like in Hong Kong...
Sheeet I did not know those requirements even existed! This is something I always found weird about some american cities. Everything is so far apart, like the city was built for cars and not humans. Okay, it's easy to park, but nobody would even think about walking. It's crazy how you can shape a city, and the culture of its inhabitants, just with a simple rule like that. I live in western Europe, and being able to walk across town is something I would never trade for more parking spots.
FouneDeCombat I totally agree!
so true!
FouneDeCombat so true
Write to your city councilmembers and demand a repeal of parking minimums. Do it today.
Dear [councilmember name],
I would like to ask you to consider a total repeal of off street parking minimums. Parking requirements encourage driving, further making our cities less walkable and car dependent. They raise the price of housing and products since land developers have to pass the extremely high cost of building parking onto home buyers and tenants.
Parking requirements also create an inequitable society, where the poor who cannot afford a car are forced to take substandard public transit over long distances. Studies have shown that the greatest indicator of whether or not someone can escape poverty is not school quality or neighborhood crime, but rather simply commute time. The creation of these unwalkable, car oriented societies have ensured 2 classes of people - the wealthy driving class and the poor non-drivers.
I'd like to ask you to remove parking requirements, create a robust public transit system, and permit the construction of dense, vibrant, and walkable inner city communities. This kind of auto-oriented growth is simply unsustainable in the long run, and will lead our cities to become gridlocked, unwalkable, polluted urban spaces.
Thank you
[your name]
Agreed, saw that in the U.S. but same where I am from in Joburg :(
Maybe if the US had a decent public transportation system we wouldn't need as much parking spots.
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
You can never trust public transportation. I'll count on myself to get where I need to go.
The US is huge! We can’t get to everyone, this is not Europe
Lol i live in the UK and public transport costs 4.50 one way for a bus ticket (in the north east) it is actually cheaper for me to drive so no public transport is terrible
I live in Vienna, public transport costs 1€/day for unlimited public transport within the city, and it's one of the best services I've been on barring Japan's, which is waaay more expensive. Can everybody just go talk to the people made that happen, and implement it in all other cities?
Looks like the US needs to install the public transport DLC and maybe Park Life DLC, and Green cities DLC.
Uninstall natural disasters DLC.
This is all common sense people and the secret to a beautiful city.
How about just factory reset?
People wouldn’t use it
xD
After Dark as well, to improve biking.
Best comment.
8 parking spots for every car!? *looks around NYC* Where!?
NYC are stacked and underground
Ohh, they are in West Virginia.
Ikr
@@joshooahh not in Queens and Brooklyn
@@fandomfancy2450 i was talking about the big city not the outskirts
I live in Taiwan and I was surprised by the amount of parking that's available when I visited California. The only thing I don't like about it though is since the country is built around cars, stores and businesses are further spread apart.
very true. Gigantic stores and parking lots instead of smaller ones spread in the city like in Europe and Asia
Where do/did you live in Taiwan? I visited Taipei and Kaohsiung for several weeks and didn't think about it until your comment, but there weren't many large parking lots in those cities compared to Virginian Suburbs. I would guess it has to do with public transportation being so popular.
In the US it seems like everyone in a family has their own car, but when I visited Taiwan, the families I stayed with each had one car, and sometimes also a scooter.
We ended up taking a bus or train a lot of the time.
The some of the only times we took a car were to Fugui and Lover's Bridge, and driving around Toroko Gorge.
One example of the difference in parking that comes to mind was the Dream Mall in Kaohsiung, and all the parking there was underground, but there was also a (free iirc) Dream Mall bus from a subway stop which we also used. Taiwan in so much smaller than the US, about 275x smaller, while there are around 15x the amount of americans as Taiwanese, so thats 18x as many Taiwanese people per land area than in America. That means its easier to make public transportation viable, and also that the square meters of a parking spot are much more valuable.
Well, Taiwan has amazing public transportation that the US can only dream of. Also Taiwanese all have scooters, which are a much better use of space. There is no need for a car in the new world. It is an American export of selfishness and entitlement.
I live in Taoyuan :) I am actually not that big of a fan of driving myself and I prefer to ride scooters or take subway
Alex......I have 4 cars.
Spend one day driving in LA, and you'll wish you could park ON the sidewalk. You need good public transportation like NYC, Paris, London or Tokyo have to eliminate huge parking lots.
Good luck convincing people to add mass transit when everything is so spread out due to all these giant parking lots. Good luck convincing people to take mass transit when the parking is "free."
LA just passed a hundred billion dollar transit expansion measure. It'll happen. I think this is a prerequisite to having good cities - traffic must get so bad that people develop an interest in taking public transit, which is given priority to cut through traffic via transit lanes/signal priority. Only then will people start demanding walkable regions around major transit hubs so they can take the transit, and sooner or later, cities continue disinvestment in auto infrastructure and increase investment in transit infrastructure and we get to where we need to be as a society
Any thoughts as to how those 4 cities have such good public transportation? Let's follow this thought process:1. Developed before cars, due to location on major waterway2. No need to ever think about parking minimums (see above)3. Buildings are as close together as they can be, since everyone wants to be in choice locations.4. People find that walking between neighborhood nuclei is tiresome5. Public transportation develops, using the only space left (under or over streets) and linking nucleated neighborhoods.6. By the time cars dominate the country, parking minimums affect all areas outside these early adopters.How could public transit in a post-car city possibly be good, given these development requirements?These later-developing cities have few choices: retroactively rescind parking minimums to ensure development of those nucleated neighborhoods.
The fact that LA's public transport system is still so god awful is beyond me
Knightmessenger catch 22🤷🏾♂️
I feel like they missed out on a huge part of the solution to this problem being that we need more mass transit in America, we need it bad, especially here in Phoenix where I live. If we had better transit then more people would be able to give up their cars and use mass transit to commute and we could have much more usable space in our cities from old parking lots.
"4 months before he died, in 2011" proceeds to show video from 1996
Date is correct, just bad city cameras.
Hussar dude it was a joke
Its fissy the 90’s are trending 😂
For anyone who didn't fully understand, the video explained how most parking lots are paid for by the private store owners. In order to regain their loses they spent building their parking lot they have to raise their store prices. You're paying for parking either way, this video just points out how drivers force their parking fees on non drivers, who may have used public transport or simply walked to stores, since making parking space for drivers force stores to raise their prices.
Only looking at the problem from this angle feels incredibly dismissive. Public transport is absolutely awful in the United states and with population densities the way they are walking isn't typically feasible either. It's at least 5 miles to a grocery store and I live In a major metro area.
Just changing the parking feels like the sort of short sited solution that is going to cause lots of problems for people until they fix other problems.
MycenaeanGal I guess you're right, but changing the parking situation provides an incentive to change the other things.
Well stated! Thanks!
Charging for parking will conserve wealth and cost less in the long run. It will also encourage public transit to get better. Better yet, there will be less demand for parking because more people will walk or ride their bike or take the bus. The parking isn't really free, it's simply a *sunk cost* so what's actually happening is "well the cost of the parking is built into the store operations so I might as well utilize what I'm already paying for." It's not like those who ride their bike get a refund for not taking up a "free" parking space.
And this is the biggest problem with "free" stuff. There's no incentive to avoid spending money on stuff that could have a more economically efficient alternative.
Knightmessenger Well said.
I really like these short documentaries you make! Well produced, easy to understand, thats how you do it:)
they should focus more on series like these or bordes dispatch instead of the political trump bullshit thats either irrelevant or straight up propaganda, depending on the point of view
I disagree, I think them covering all topics is immensely important. We don't always have to agree with what they say, but getting all the information out there is incredibly important. I think all of their content is fantastic!
Kc KahChun Things don't have to be Black or white, they could and should be gray. Fox is very much right wing, Vox is very much left (Reference at the bottom). How about it tries to be neither. I love this channel and this kind of video but their political videos are absurdly biased. Trust me, I'm no fan of Trump but that doesn't change Vox's obvious bias.
Reference:
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eugenio juarbe I'm waiting for an unbiased news organization that gives the people the facts, not opinions. One full of journalists, not pundits. These so called "professionals" just pit people against each other. It comes to the point where if you watch one channel for long enough, you're bound to agree with their point of view, because they make the other angle on the topic seem insane.
so what??? listen, i understand that the news is supposed to be as unbiased as possible, but this isn't a news channel. this isn't a service like CNN or Fox that's supposed to bring us the daily news higlights, Vox just makes informative videos on whatever they want (seems like). so what's wrong with them picking a side?
or do we all just get pissed off when it's not the side we want a channel/service to be on
Here in most of Europe there is 1 Parking Space for 8 Cars.
Houses require 0.01 - 2 parking spaces in the netherlands, added to the parking space requirements at shops, at the beach and at transferia. but yeah, way less than 8:1
@@needn5796 glad we use our space efficiently
@@needn5796 Frankly it's having a fixed minimum by land use that doesn't factor in the overall situation the development is in that creates such a big problem with oversupply and underuse of parking. A better measure would take other metrics like walkability, cyclability, and transit availability with the new development factored into account as scaling factors. Basically, this would have the advantage of demanding less parking in dense developments where people don't need to go hunting for the car keys just to buy a loaf of bread.
The financial incentives should also encourage developers to build residential developments that include services lacking in the local area so they can devote more land to more productive uses that have a higher value per square meter when sold/rented. This would ironically be better for the city too since the market value of the development is usually what determines how much tax revenue the area generates. With more money cities can afford to not only build but properly maintain more useful infrastructure be it an off-road cycle network, BRT lines, trams, metro, etc which again means fewer cars. Also makes for happier people as let's face it people enjoy spending time doing or at least watching entertaining human activity and let's face it a parking lot holds about as much interest as paint drying on a wall.
So everyone uses public transit. Nice.
Amusing that we brag about freedom in America but then force people to own cars in order to get to work or pick up basic necessities. We also complain about traffic (because we force people to drive) then shun public transit options (which generally come at a high price to start). We also design the whole country around the single family home not understanding the importance of having a wide variety of housing options to support everyones needs and wants. For a country that brags about freedoms we sure don't complain about our poorly designed cities and overly priced homes (aka wooden boxes). We'd be much healthier as a country if we incorporated successful ideas from our country along with other countries.
8 parking spots per person, and yet every time I go to a city I'm always hunting for parking.
Probably due to high population density in cities. Not too keen on big cities myself.
It ain't priced right.
not per person, per vehicle. and the abandoned kmart has 500 empty spaces, and the walmart has 200 empties except in december. the mall has two entire garages. theres a few thousand at the airport and more at the train station. several thousand more at the stadium when there's no game, the park when it's raining. not to mention where these cars CAME from....your house. i have enough paved space in my small garage and normal driveway for 8 cars, and nobody ever uses them but me, and i only use one and only when i'm home. so yeah, i thought 8 to 1 sounded low
There is likely plenty of parking. Just not where you want to park.
because you aren't a citizen of that city, youre a tourist. You aren't counted.(of course there are special conditons to everything)
When something is "free" somebody has to pay for it, you just don't see it that moment.
+Willensimperium Not when you're referring to free health-care!
Hoping that was sarcasm.
Come on, man. Even those who _want_ government-run health-care aren't _that_ stupid. :D
Wasn't sure, i mean we're in the Internet here, there are dark and stupid corners and alleys everywhere. ;D
And btw i'm from Germany and pretty proud and fond of our healtcare and the historic archievement through Bismarck that we were one of the first. :)
Interesting, in my home city in Sweden we do all three of his recommended policies; there are no laws for how many parking spaces need to exist per building, the price of parking varies due to time of day and location (so if you park in front of a popular tourist attraction at 10 am on a Saturday, it will be much more expensive than if you park in the suburbs at 9 pm), and the money goes directly into the district funds. Yay!
What if we just eliminated 90% of parking spots and eliminated single-family zoning to build things closer together and made cities walkable and bikable, and built public transit like streetcars/light rail, so that no one needs a car to live 😳
Exibit A: The netherlands
Transitioning to this model will be painful and politically impossible.
The cities that work were there before cars and have public transport first and foremost
@@whazzat8015 False. Many cities, such as in the Netherlands, were rebuilt after WWII to be just as car-dependent as modern America. Through public and political will, cities were slowly changed back to walkable, smart designs. There is no excuse for America; only a lack of action.
People who want to live without a car can live in the higher density area of a city, like downtown. People who want to have a car can live in the suburbs / single family neighborhoods. The compromise already exists.
@@CoconutPalmPictures The problem is that due to intensely restrictive zoning laws, it is extremely hard to build anything other than single family housing.
That also doesn't change how single family housing costs much more tax money to build, so it really should be more heavily taxed to make it actually fair.
In London there's barely any parking space. Everybody has to use public transport- even if they own a car.
same to almost every First World major city on the Planet: Hong Kong, Tokyo, Amsterdam, Singapore... you name it.
Oliver Nutkins-Middleton and yet still illegal levels of pollution. Madness.
Many Dutch city centers have a couple of massive parking garages below the city center, from there you can walk everywhere you need, city centers aren't that big. Suburbs are different, cars are parked beside the road everywhere.
Good design.
+Erik de Groot Same thing in Finland. With the expection that the parking garages can be parking towers and they are smaller but there are more. Parking area that is only in ground level is rarity in city centers or are in smaller, select spaces for example in front of public service buildings where people with restricted mobility or out-of-town citizens have to use car. In suburbs parking beside the road is also disappearing, more and more or the housing have dedicated parking spaces reserved for a certain apartment, freeing the road sides and reducing time to find space for your vehicle.
I live in a town of 4,000, we have 1 super market, and the parking lot holds 1000 cars. So, in essence, if everyone in the town rode in a car of 4, we could all fit in that lot.
Chances are plenty of customers come from outside town.
Boborbot that depends on where they live, and it’s not like everyone in town is going to the supermarket at the same time.
That lot will never be full. Ever. Not even on the day before Thanksgiving.
That's so pointless. What waste of space, resources, and time.
Does everyone know each other in your town?
I've loved seeing restaurants and bars take up space in the street during the pandemic and I hope they stick around. It's far more valuable to use that land as space where small businesses can make than to provide 2 street parking spaces.
That 330 sq. ft. parking space is larger than my home. I live in Hong Kong.
same. hk gang
Haha same
But parking is really expensive in HK too, in Causeway Bay it’s Hk$60 per hour
@@PatheticTV Dafuq, that is very very expensive!
@@PatheticTV that sounds like the perfect way to deter people from owning vehicles though! The reason everyone drives cars in North America is because it's so cheap, and it is made necessary because everyone has a car. It's a horrible vicious circle.
@@ImranZakhaev9 It isn't cheap, though. It's just required.
In the Netherlands, where bikes and public transportation are the main source of transportation for most 'big' cities, we are even starting to make policies that enable businessowners, such as restaurantowners, to make use of parking spots when they are empty. For example, during hot summer days, there is less need for parking, seeing that most people walk or cycle instead of driving their car, thus enabling these owners to use these empty parking spaces as extra terrace space, for example.
I'm also from the Netherlands and hate this policy btw. The building where I live has 40 parking lots for 160 apartments. Then I should park far away and walk a mile for a free parking spot ridiculous!
Always nice to hear form people like 1vachmed94 who are speaking form PRACTICE rather than theory and feelings.
Well then don't drive in a modern dense city. You live in a city with 800 000 people, where there are 4k people/sqkm. Can you realistically fit 400k cars through those ancient streets every single morning and afternoon during commute hours?
Geog Acct Good practice is to not own a car in a place like that. He knew this before signing up for that place like that. There's plenty of alternatives. My building has zero parking spots and private bike parking.
Some people do have a job and no there are not always alternatives. If you work shifts you can't take public transport plus it is just a waste of time in my opinion. Oh and did I know when I moved to Rotterdam that the Municipality is going to remove parking lots for their bullshit hobby's like gardening or lawn? NO, so don't judge if you don't know the situation.
this has always been a major problem for american cities... here in europe there are no such rules but in big city centres parking is a problem. that's why we use public transport and not gigantic highways that divide neighbourhoods!
Ezio Marchioni that's also because most countries in Europe are tiny
Kudk *Russia*
Aescius I said most
I'm sorry but afaik New York is only bigger than the Vatican and Andorra and maybe Luxembourg. You don't have to drive all the way to another state to buy your groceries do you?
Your cities are designed like that because they were built before cars and when most people were peasants and were not allowed to own much. Its not due to some hippy master design to make closer communities.
If we're going to have parking requirements for automobiles, when are we going to have parking requirements for bicycles, ebikes, scooters and other forms of mobility. The majority of buildings have no accommodations at all.
100 Stars for editing...all your videos
Vox has some of the best edited videos on CZcams
8 parking spots per car? Why tf can't I ever get a parking spot that's not 17,000,000 miles from the door?
Take a bicycle, lock up wherever you want. In many places (not rural) by the time you walk all the way out to your car, drive it there, find a parking spot and walk all the way into the store I will have beaten you on my bike anyways for a lower cost.
Because Vox likes to make subjects interesting by skewing facts in support of their presentation. It comes down to planning and expectations. Let's say you build a mall and expect a million people per year to show up there and shop... but the mall is in a declining area (or the estimates were wrong) and it only does half the business you expected. Now you have twice the parking you thought you needed... and since you own the land and the structures, and there isn't anything better to do with it that wouldn't be exorbitantly expensive, the parking lot just stays the way it is (underutilized). Alternatively, some places were built when populations were smaller, and then experienced continued population/economic growth... without strategic (and successful) repurposing of space, or without available space, overcrowding occurs. The average of these two events, across the nation, leads to the statistic that there are "too many" parking spots, without getting specific about where.
The ~actual~ answer is based on the concept of "Induced Demand". Basically, after supply increases, more of a good is consumed. New roads intended to relieve traffic congestion are themselves congested in very little time. Off-street parking will always fill up if there are free spaces are available. The solution is not to create ~even more~ parking space but rather, to realize that the relationship between building and parking is very disproportionate and logically flawed.
This is true to some extend, because people might e.g. switch from a bus to a car when more parking space is available, but people don't drive to the mall just because it has parking.
Because people don't stay in the same spot all day long. It's 8 spots over the whole city per car.
Better public transportation. Less reliance on cars and parking space. Also healthier walking habits
Don't forget autonomous ride hailing services.
City planners often ruin everything. I used to live in a city where cab licenses were plentiful and lots of companies could both provide the service and design their bus lines. Service was good, reasonably priced and fast. Then I moved to a city where a single company is allowed to operate bus lines, which were designed by city planners and rarely updated, and cab licenses are limited to an insufficient number. Service is bad, way more expensive, bus stops are spaced far wider, so you have to walk more, wait times are also bigger, and the lines are so poorly designed, it takes longer to use the bus than simply walk.
For a lot of people, it's actually cheaper to use and maintain a motorcycle or a cheap compact car than pay two to four bus tickets a day, depending on the distance they need to cover. And even people who can ride the bus for free, such as students and elderly people, often prefer having their own means of transportation, because of the bad quality and the time it takes to get anywhere.Would you rather take a 90 minute bus ride for free or drive for 15-20 minutes and deal with the expenses of owning a car? For a lot of people, the time saved driving is far more valuable than any savings they might have for the few corner cases where riding a bus is cheaper than owning a car.
"Don't forget autonomous ride hailing services." That's decades away. Right now the systems can't really watch out for pedestrians or bicycles.
"It's estimated that in America, there are 8 parking spots for every car, covering up to 30% of our cities and collectively taking up about as much space as the state of West Virginia."
For reference, West Virginia covers 24.2 thousand square miles. Or about the same size of the country Sri Lanka
I've heard a similar figure for the total area of lawns in the USA as the size of West Virginia, necessitating a stupendous amount of energy, water and fertilizer to maintain and cut the grass. That's an equally large environmental effect
Still can’t find a parking spot tho...
Yikes!
@@dankfrank3262 that is the problem with parking lots. They take up a large space but people are concentrated in a relatively small place and never use the parking spots that are far.
And parking lots aren't flexible. You can't increase them or decrease them according to the rush over the day.
"Free" just means someone else is paying for it, and is getting ripped off.
Paying the lot only
I mean public parking spots are actually free since the government doesn't have to pay their own taxes since, you know, the money is theirs anyway
@@RodrigoroRex It's not free. Public Parking means the space used for parking is not being used for more land intensive uses such as commerce or residential, both would net the city more revenue in taxes. In other words, the city subsidizes public parking in the form of lost tax revenue. This is why so many cities have gone into financial ruins, because they can't generate the necessary tax revenue to maintain city services.
I doubt their getting ripped off
@@RodrigoroRex Also when you go to the grocery store items will be more expensive so that the grocer can still profit despite having to offer these parking spaces. If you don't have a car, you are still paying for it, essentially subsidizing it.
Why don’t you just have most parking spots underneath the building as an underground car park?
surfie007 I assume that it’s more expensive
In Europe basically all the parking spots are underneath the ground. But you pay for them...
surfie007 Florida water table is to high. It would just be flooded. So basically useless. Now instead they could build parking garages on top of places like Walmart and Target or malls instead. That would reduce Space needed for such places.
As far as land use goes, its a good solution. The only problem is just that its extremely expensive to build these.
In the U.K. you get the bus or the preferred option of the train when you go to town. This means our cities don't need to be driven too.
Do you think I want to drive everywhere in Suburbia? We all know that public transportation in Suburbia is trash or else Uber and Lyft would not be so profitable. 'MagRails' and 'Hyperloops' are going to be insulated only to major city areas so give suburban populations GOOD OPTIONS of NOT driving before you complain to me about the high cost of free parking. Fix the public transport situation first, then I'll give a damn.
+HotSkull The public transportation system sucks BECAUSE there's so much parking and so much reliance on cars. Not the other way around.
HotSkull I think the issue here is how much endless parking lots have destroyed city centers. They've literally brought suburbia to the city and destroyed the very reasons cities exist in the first place. You don't drive downtown to for the sake of parking. To enjoy the parking experience. It's not long term parking like at the airport although that's what it looks like. You're right. Though. You've got no alternative because politicians thought public transit would bring poor and minority peoples to your doorstep. Or schools. If we can even understand how this happened and how it destroyed many downtowns then we can start to fix or incorporate suburbia into our city centers the right way. Park and rides are a good first step for cities large enough to support dedicated transportation systems like trains or buses.
HotSkull You might need to fight your fellow suburbanites to get improved public transportation near you. A lot of suburbanites complain endlessly about car traffic and terrible commutes but then refuse to move to anywhere denser or pay any taxes to fund public transportation infrastructure and think it's only for poor people and city slickers. When the light rail near me was expanded further out a lot of local residents actually tried to block it! But lo and behold, it's been a boon for the area decades later.
Sarah Rizor I know what you mean. I’ve met too many suburbanites bragging about not knowing how to take the bus/train. Even at times, like going into DC, many friends will just complain, refuse, or pay RIDICULOUS parking fees instead of just taking a $4 metro ride into the city & DC is downright predatory when it comes to traffic/parking violations. I suppose this problem, at the root, is just an irrational driving bias.
In several cities in the Netherlands there's a huge - often multi-story - parking space outside of the city, where one can park for a fraction of the price that it would be in the city, and in that price is included a free public transit fare into the city, and a free fare back to the parking garage. Parking in the city of Amsterdam is prohibitively expensive (dozens of euros), but for 5 euros one can park at the football stadium and take the train, metro, or bus conveniently located right next to the parking lot.
In the UK we call this a 'Park and Ride'- they are fairly common.
I wish commuter railroads were more prevalent in everyday life, train takes people from their homes to their jobs, they drive less, parking is less important.
Yeah especially within cities and between cities. I'd much rather take a train to a different city rather than spend several hours driving that distance.
And make roads smaller, more bike paths. People stay fit, more healthy, less insurance costs, more productivity. No cars, less emissions, it's win win really.
@@jojodroid31 Ironically their insistence on parking minimums actually makes that even harder still for another reason people often overlook. Property taxes are based on property value and parking lots have a considerably lower market value than you know actual buildings where stuff people actually want to buy can be sold. Lots of American cities rely on the incentive money they get from higher levels of government to build new roads for new developments just to maintain the roads they already have. Turns out relatively undesirable neighborhoods where most of the land makes exactly zero dollars have really low land values and don't pay enough taxes to maintain that several hundred meter stretch of 4 lane stroad outside go figure.
@@seraphina985 looks like another fan of Strong Towns. Stroad is my new favorite word this year.
Oh, so everybody have a train stop on their front door.
Less cars, better public transportation! I live in Philadelphia, and the city is actively trying to promote more bicycle riding and improve bike routes in anticipation for a growing population in an old city with narrow streets. Ironically you still have drivers that get angry at bikers on the road. We're the ones creating LESS traffic by not driving! People really can't see further than the tip of their nose
Yes some drivers are the worst, honking and swerving at me because I am on a bicycle even when I am in the bike lane! This is why I would like separated bike lanes, even just moving the bike lane between the curb and parked cars is a good start.
M Dee Please!! I have only used public transport a handful of times in my life but I wish I could more often. Living in a smaller town in the South, there is no public transport.
Orrr.. You guys don't have enough money for a car
How is that their fault tho?
You'd be surprised by how many cyclists commute on bikes that's worth more than ($3000~12000USD) an average car on the street. And not being able to afford a car isn't necessarily a bad thing. In the end, less cars in a growing city can only aid the transportation by reducing congestion and upping the overall health of the residents. Take Los Angeles for example, what good dose a car do when it's stuck in gird lock all day moving no more than 5km/h, while those who cycle can easily maintain an average speed of 25~35km/h?
Because United States don't really have a good public transportation unlike EU. They mostly relies on private transportation ,mainly car.
sakib choudhury It all depend on how the nation is developed. Us nation is flat and Big while EU is much smaller and it rough.Suburbanation also plays important role.
As a californian, I wish this place was flat :'(
the US is a lot larger than the countries in the EU also while I personally would like the US to work on public transit it would be up to the cities and towns and states to do so. Also railroad tracks are all owned by private companies that mainly move freight and they give priority to their trains over passenger trains and many people don't use trains because planes are faster though going from the east coast to the west coast by train would be one hell of an experience. If someone would buy 1000's of miles of track they could do that
At this point implementing public transportation in the US will take a long time and be very expensive. One of the problems is that there's no practical way to service suburban areas. US suburbs stretch out far and wide, and had zero accounting of possible public transportation when designed. You wouldn't be able to build enough rail lines to service all the neighborhoods. So you'd have to rely on complicated bus routes, but traveling via those buses would either be inefficient with long travel times or expensive with many buses. So people would have to drive to the rail station, but then they'd have to worry about amount of parking, or the cost of street parking. Then you have to wait for a train and travel into the general area of your work, and either walk or take another bus for the final leg. At that point people just find it simpler to hop in their car and drive the whole way.
A developed country is where the rich can calmly take the public transportation
When I lived in England in the early '80s, I took the bus and train to everywhere I wanted to go. My only requirement was to board them according to their schedules. Honestly, all there was to it was a bit of planning ahead.
It’s best when the frequency of the trains and buses is so high you don’t need to check a schedule, you just show up knowing one is about to arrive. That’s what it’s like riding Toronto trains and buses.
This is amazing because I’m currently living in a 1.5 year old apartment complex that was built in an old Houston’s parking lot
So this is why Miami is a collection of small stores next to a million sqf of parking spaces. I think it's ugly and a waste of space.
CptnJCFG No it aint. Miami is one of the coolest cities in the world, even with the parking. I take walking thru Miami and Miami beach over any European city anyday. Most European cities for example all look the same.
All Hail Nemesis have you ever been to Europe lol
vaputi Yes i have. I have been to: Madrid, Barcelona, Ibiza, Mallorca, Amsterdam, Antwerp, Brussels, London, Dortmund and Berlin.
All Hail Nemesis I am sorry but these cities are so diverse even within the cityboarders.
amsterdam and madrid look the same? are you sure. I have been to many european cities and I have never seen one that looks like any other.
CptnJCFG apparently you haven’t been anywhere near the actual city of Miami (city center) because it’s just like any other city center. Where you probably were was the suburb of Weston, pine crest, parkland and the such which have lax rules on parking in general. And don’t go talking about anything when you’ve never experienced the entire thing and I bet you could never afford to actually live there and you probably live in a city no where near comparable to it.
This baffles me bcuz most Canadian cities have a horrible shortage of parking, especially places like Vancouver or Edmonton.
& when u do find parking, u have to pay an arm & a leg for it.
Tally Bee so true for van..
Tally Bee same for Australian cities. Parking in Brisbane CBD is so expensive that driving to work every day isn't even an option for most city workers. I had no idea the US was so different. Seems bizarre. Mind you, the fact Australian real estate is insanely expensive doesn't help.
It depends which US city. Older and denser cities have parking space shortages. San Francisco downtown parking garages can charge up to $3 for every 20 minutes.
Tally Bee Here in NYC it's that same, in Manhattan sometimes it's 70$ for parking.
Brisbane has a moratorium on the construction of new paid parking structures in the CBD region. Go outside the CBD to sprawl areas like Springfield and North Lakes and you will see what this video is talking about. Brisbane also has good public transport compared to most US cities.
There was a veterans hospital built in Green Bay WI a few years back. The hospital itself isn’t all that big. Smaller than the most of the normal hospitals. But the parking lot is ridiculously huge. It’s roughly a square in dimensions and if you were to park all the way in the back it’d take you 3-5 minutes to reach the front door. Meanwhile the parking lot is never used above 2-5% capacity.
India's trick to (somewhat) avoid this problem: motorcycles.
Every city in India has much more competent transport system than those in USA. Mumbai has mmts and buses, Delhi has metro, Kolkata has metro, mmts and buses, Hyderabad has one of the highest bus ridership in the world.
What dude???
Wow. Once again vox has helped me learn something I didn't know was important :)
Somali Pirate Who Sucked DJ Akademiks Off For Crack you asked people to learn yet you commented about vox being hippies ...
Vikings488 That Italy icon is cute.
Ikr!
and knowing is half the battle
Important is all in the eye of the beholder. Thinking critically and assessing the information being presented is key. Such as the closing credit conversation. “Charge enough so there will always be 1 or 2 open spots” basically they want to make driving more expensive as a way to promote the idea of taking alternate transit. Yet all of that impact does is provide the city with more money and inconvenience the drivers.
In Turkey buildings don't require a parking lot. And everyone parks on the street. Which makes it difficult to drive, because every street is filled with cars.
same in the UK and many other countries too.
Same in India. In times of fests or events it takes 1 hour to get a parking spot
wclifton968 it’s only in residential areas though. If cars park on the street in town, it’s because the council put parking spots there.
Mr. P. Enis Istanbul is also an old city, dating back to the Roman era, not to mention a capital city for two empires for a span of more than 1500 years. People are packed more densely in the Old World compared to the New World because that’s how old medieval towns work. There’s so much land when the settlers build the first cities in North America that they don’t need that much population density.
That’s why there’s 14 million people in Istanbul in an area the size of Jacksonville.
In the Netherlands we don't have this problem thanks to public transport and bikes.
It is a great discussion. I would love to see parking lots converted into parks with trees and flowers!
So the people can pay more for parking right and the state can rake in all the cash right?
@@TheSonic1685 Yes that would be perfect! I sold my car so I don't mind the extra money for the state and I get more parks!
@@bitbugsbyte epic troll
@@bitbugsbyteid say instead of pscking all the buildings so close make room for parks where inlive downtown its all justnold buildings boring!
This makes sense. Forcing companies to build more parking takes a lot of land, which hurts consumers on two fronts.
By making land more scarce, it drives to cost of property up, which drives up your rent.
It also put a lot of costs in businesses, which makes them pass the cost onto you.
Together, it greatly expands the cost of living.
As someone living in the city of Los Angeles, seeing all of that parking was downright whimsical. We really have the opposite problem here; parking is scarce, expensive, and when it's free it comes with some of the most confusing city restrictions and signage imaginable.
Thomas Marshall or a functional mass transit system, preferably one not reliant on roads, that could work too...
I do not miss living in Los Angeles. Parking was such a nightmare.
Yeah parking is a nightmare here. 20$ for parking in Santa Monica
Thomas Marshall
The less and/or more expensive parkig is the better for city.
As it decrease pollution by decreasing number of cars.
Ideally by what we know about city design, cities should be design with almost no parkings with exception to disabled, workers if it's absolutely necessary, parkings near(preferably under)(small such they don't allow more than 1car per family/apartment) somebody living space and parkings near city limits with mass transit connection(so called "park and ride")
Czorńy Lisek I don’t see how more expensive parking will decrease the number of cars. Imo paying for parking is a rip off and should be banned. It’s crazy that the places that charge for parking are some of the richest cities like Santa Monica’s, Beverly Hill etc.. If anything, expensive parking just keep poor people out lol
Me: wow all these test items are free to use
Vox: well actually they're hidden price you have to pay for.
Vsauce: or perhaps there isn't...
I feel like it should actually be Vsauce: "Or is there? ..." *music starts*
*Michael suddenly drops down*... 15 minutes of how our brain and Newton's Law had something to do with the over-construction of parking spaces.
Phillip De Franko: Let's just get into it
But what IS parking space?
Oh, lord no. Vsauce's pacing is awful, slow and plodding to the point that it feels condescending.
Working in the parking industry this video just made me realize how important the parking meters are to our operation it plays a big factor plus I didn't know about the parking lot has to be #330 square feet learned something new today great video.
The free cost of paid parking
Yeah
How about parking underground? That would help with building being so far apart!
It does help with land use! But building parking garages is super expensive - requires lots of concrete and rebar.
Underground parking space would solve the problem of buildings separated by large outdoor parking areas. But constructing that underground space is more expensive than surface parking. Also, maintaining that underground space is more expensive.
eign, yeah if money wasn't a problem but thin vertical parking could take over in the future
Creating underground parking is extremely expensive and city governments wouldn't wanna pay for it & if they make developers pay for it then expect rents and prices to go up much higher!
We do that a lot in Australia, it has the added benefit of not turning your car into an oven during summer as well :p
Meanwhile in Europe there’s a maximum number of parking spots.
Look America is big so we have enough land to build parking lots
It is interesting to see this from a point of view of a eastern european citizen. We have the exact street parking you mention and it is just awful to look at streets full of cars. It's definitely interesting to see how it is different and what are pros and cons of other methods.
If there's so many parking spaces, why does some guy always park too close to my door?
Smash their windows, key their car, and slit their tires. Simple.
Get a solid car like a retired police crown vic. if they park over the line, simply open your door into their car.
Andre Tsang That's how you get shot. I catch you destroying my property in Ohio I have legal right to use deadly force.
Those retired cars aren't too expensive and can still haul ass too.
Kyle Michaels That doesn't work that way, buddy.
Why not just move off street parking to underground and plant trees or build houses on the surface?
Because it's a lot more expensive? If it was economically feasible to build lots of parking underground we wouldn't be talking about this.
Underground parking space would solve the problem of buildings separated by large outdoor parking areas. But constructing that underground space is more expensive than surface parking. Also, maintaining that underground space is more expensive.
because it costs a little more, and as noted in the video the US solution is to just dump the problem onto the lap of private companies, who aren't married to the land they're developing and want to spend as little as possible in case they ditch the city within the next five years. Really this is a core failing of capitalism
we would become mole people
im wit it
Body: Lets go for a run.
Brain: hehehehehe lets learn about parking spots.🤣🤷🏿♂️
8 spots for every 1 car; how come i can never find parking?
You live in a city?
@@R3lay0 I LOVE AGENTS OF SHIELD TOO
if there is something interesting to go to, it takes away your parking space.
Your car is congestion
Remove 70% of parking and create a good public transport system
I do not plan on using public transportation again until they create mini rooms inside buses for privacy lol. I feels like a zoo during peak hours
Are you stupid?
awhatzable
So... don’t get in?
still no one would use public transport people in the US can afford cars and gas is cheap.
@@flyfishing1197 Problem #1: gas is too cheap.
Without government, who would mismanage real estate?
country road take me home to the place I can park West Virginia
I like the old man's idea and putting it in simplest form possible. Like Einstein quoted "if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough".
West Virginia, parking lot-lot.
Take me there, parking lot.
-- John Driver
Vox been killing it with videos this week!!!
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My favorite channel on yt rn
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AmxCsifier my fav channel on CZcams period
Except the trump Jr video that was fake news
This is one of my most favorite CZcams videos ever. I love that guy.
I’ve been seeing a lot of new mixed use apartments around Austin where the front of the building is commercial and residential, the middle is parking, and the rest is residential. Still maintains higher density and meets parking requirements.
How do you have mixed use development with parking lots? That sort of defeats the purpose, no? To drive foot traffic?
Yes. But those same apartments would be cheaper and use less land if they didn’t provide parking.
Or with the same land they could provide more housing.
Or with the same building dimensions and no parking requirements, smaller units which would be economically feasible, cheaper. It’s hard to justify lots of small units if parking must be provided for each one.
I'm from West Virginia state would be a lot more fun if it was all parking lots
:D
Those mountain mama's not good enough for you?
Spruce Lee - wow, is *that* what Denver meant??
What West Virginia looks to most Americans IS a parking lot (seriously have never heard or seen a thing from WV)
Shameer ॐ nah man just lived here for my entire 16 years on this earth never seen anything though hope too someday
this is the complete opposite in Europe, there is no parking anywhere at all.
ThatMinecraftMiner - Gameplay and Tips your a good american. And very nice.
Can i own you?
ThatMinecraftMiner - Gameplay and Tips You can be American without being born here. America is the country of Immigrants.
ThatMinecraftMiner - Gameplay and Tips Unless it's Black Friday or something I have never had an issue parking at a mall, I have occasionally had a two or 3 minute walk to the door from where I had I park but unless it's raining I don't mind it.
+TMM-GAT not everyone in America has to walk a km to their house if they don't have a garage. That's... oddly specific... and very weird that you'd think that's true everywhere. Lots of people can park on their curb or in their driveway OR in their garage, if they have one, and all of those options are within 50 steps from their door.
Don't forget about Scandinavia, we're Europe too. Norway and Sweden are car-oriented countries quite like America. Downtown parking isn't difficult in norwegian cities, but it is expensive. In the suburbs, the parking is abundant and free just like in America. Norway is one of the few countries outside of America, Canada and Australia that has a parking minimum requirement.
that professor honestly has the best voice for a professor
He sounds like John Cleese. Monty Python.
5:11 “Land is expensive for houser and free for parker, and you wondering why we have a problem?”
DEEP!
Land is not free for parker. Quite a dishonest statement on the narrators part.
Whatever cost of parking, it is absorbed into the service provided by the company and the customers pay it.
If you don't expand public transportation and increase its popularity decreasing parking spots will be a problem. In the South in general public transportation sucks. It doesn't go everywhere, it's not timely, and there not enough transport so its cramped especially on popular routes. For me personally I stay away from area with inadequate parking and paid parking. If you're on the shallow end of the economical pool it's a greater pain. Most Southern metropolitan areas are built to be car cities. Anytime they try to increase public transportation efforts are rebuffed. Housing in the city is expensive. Housing outside the city means you lose money trying to work in the city because most jobs outside the city don't pay as much. You're getting screwed either way.
The South's population boomed after the invention of the air conditioner. Public Transit is still stuck in pre-air conditioner mode. Until someone invents a mass transit system that involves door to door AC, mass transit will never succeed in the south. It's just too hot to sit on a bus bench when I can sit in a cozy air conditioned car instead.
We have AC buses/trams in europe. :) I remembr even in Turkey they have AC trams long time ago...
@@noclafcz Jonathan is saying sitting outside on the bench waiting for the bus to arrive is when it's hot. And it can get very hot and very humid in the southern states.
@@brianbethea3069 You think e.g. Turkey has mild climate? It's freaking hot there as well. There is a lot of countries with the same/warmer climate as southern states and people are easily able to live without door to door AC. And you if you still need such a luxury - in Dubai or Singapore they have air-conditioned/cooled bus-stops.
@@noclafcz Didn't say Turkey didn't have a hot climate or that I think door to door AC is necessary. I was just saying that's what the other person was talking about.
I really disliked (the lack of proper) urban planning in America. Europe might look messy but many places are so fun to live just because of good urban planning.
Europe has terrific pedestrian cities with manageable density because of its age. Many European cities developed prior to the invention of the automobile and the “urban planning” outgrowth of 20th century Progressivism. This meant that city development was largely market-driven and geography-driven. Most American cities, on the other hand, developed much later, after the automobile, and urban planning (with all of its short-sided utopian visions and draconian regulations) came into vogue. You’ll notice that American cities (or at the very least, their “downtown” districts) that densified largely before the turn of the 20th century are much more “European-like.” It wasn’t “good” urban planning that made European cities great. It was the relative absence of urban planning, period.
Matt McBrayer wtf are you talking about? You're confusing issues and blaming urban planning when in fact you should be blaming lack of planning and political cronyism. Are you saying that liberals are to blame for the trillions spent building and maintaining roads? Bridges to nowhere. Suburbia was the result of all the road building. Turning American cities downtowns into parking lots happened because those suburban drivers needed places to park for work and shopping. I'd say a lack of urban planning led to the hideous nature of most post ww2 cities. Imagine if cities had spent money building dedicated street car systems directly to planned suburban residential neighborhoods. Like Cleveland. Instead of endless interstates or raised roads that bisected entire cities. Newark New Jersey didn't decapitate itself as much as other cities and when its downtown turned into a literal ghost town it still had its soul. Infrastructure. Albeit a decrepit one. Only now is the city turning around and previous parking lots are being developed again. All the empty skyscrapers and stores are being rebuilt and turned into housing. Thank god they didn't tear down all their buildings. Regarding urban planning. Paris famously tore itself down hundreds of years ago to build the extensive network of roads and parks. Not by market forces either. St. Petersburg Russia. London is a terrible city to get around in by car and that's a pre auto city. You can't call London a great city without its extensively planned urban network of subways. I'd love to know which city is considered a planned utopia with draconian regulations. You want to see a city without urban planning that was created by the free market look at Houston Tx or Los Angeles. In Tx you'll see a skyscraper next to a bungalow next to a gas station. And freeways running through the mess. Most great European cities were designed or came to be in a feudalistic system. You think Vienna just grew willynilly by market forces? The great cities and buildings throughout Europe came to be before the auto yes but you can't blame urban planning for the sorry state of most US cities built after the war. Blame the highway planners. Robert Moses types. Blame the market that put an auto in every families garage. Slum clearance that decimated and decapitated areas that weren't even slums. Racist policies and the belief that high rise projects were good for people. Lack of foresight and creativity. A blind faith that the market can only do good all the while forgetting how public money was spent to encourage the so called free market to build whatever and wherever it wanted. Electing politicians without an ounce of creativity who don't have the foresight to see what can happen if public money is spent building rapid transit instead of another highway to the mall. The dead mall that is. Nuf said.
Here in the Netherlands parking in big cities is really expensive! And the fines for not paying is a legitimate source of income for the cities. They even got automatic license plate scanners to automatically fine you if it is not registered as payed!
Amsterdam once raised it's prices so far that it actually became succesful in keeping cars away from the city, but then reversed the price increase because they couldn't miss the funds.
.... aaaaand ... Google's algorithm literally served me a Mitsubishi commercial before this video. 🤦♂️
I sorta hated Las Vegas when I went there at first.. mainly because it wasn't friendly for pedestrians. They have nice sidewalks, escalators etc. But the city was too f'ing big to explore by foot..
getting from one side of the street to the next was like a 5 minute journey. Think I now know why I disliked Vegas compared to other cities in Europe. Good video
Vegas sucks for many reasons, but the whole walking annoyance is purposely built like that by the casinos and attractions to ensure guaranteed foot traffic. As you probably noticed, a lot of times the sidewalks straight up entered a casino then returned to being outside. It's all a very intentional scam to get tourist money. It's a bullshit city, what can I say.
It's one of the newest cities that was built around the automobile, with cheap land for builders. In this case, it's a city that has very poor conditions for walking around anyway. Try going for a walk in 115 degree heat.
oldtwins na laughs in Celsius
I love Las Vegas and Western North America in general.
Wide roads , good scenery , lots of undeveloped rural areas.
Freedom
And driving in your private car save you from catching COVID-19 from a stranger too.
Hated the European car infrastructure so much
@@cococly It not that Europeans have much of a choice: the city exists before car and USA does.
As for epidemic argument, that doesn't explain why USA have the most cases in the world (that is even prior to protests).
I'm so glad that this video was made. Parking rules are insane, and it's high time that the silliness gets into the light
They have introduced a new guideline here in Cheltenham UK. If you are building an office or retail development in the town centre, you are not allowed to include parking spaces. They do not want cars in the town centre (which is mainly pedestrianised).
Sounds great until they start taking parking lots for buildings but parking demand increases and now instead of $16/day to park it's $52/day to park. And none of those businesses have to provide parking to their employees or contribute to creating public transportation -- but you better be to work on time or else.
"they start taking" WHO? Parking requirements is forcing owners to build parking--often way more than they want or need. Eliminating parking requirements is simply stopping the forced rule. A rule change that doesn't force parking is NOT the same as *BANNING* parking.
Property A and B develop with far less parking. Nearby property C a couple years later and sees a need for parking, perhaps to rent to residents of A and B, so the owner, via market demand, chooses to build more parking!
While there's fear that there would be sudden price increases, the reality is that the market has many solutions---parking costs go up a little, some people don't drive, they take the bus, ridership climbs significantly enough and eventually additional routes are offered (such as with bus transit). Parking rates go up and suddenly more property owners decide to start renting out part of their parking lots--so parking spaces are USED more efficiently. Rates don't jump from 16 to 52, that sounds like city council 1950s fear mongering. OMG carmageddon, and it's these fearful people who have promoting car use in the US for decades, to the detriment of our downtowns, our public transit systems, our cities.
Better public transportation, less need for parking space
Mike Blaid public transportation sucks ass
indeed, you can only fit so many people in a single bus before it gets ridiculous.
Grey Knight Dante you also can only fit so many cars onto a Freeway before it gets ridiculous
Grey Knight Dante if there's too many people on a bus then they normally notice and put another bus to drive the same route with a similar time.
you think public transportation is a good idea? try going to time square at 8 am during rush hour using the subway and you will think other wise, trust me.
In L.A 25 cents gives you 3 minutes on the meter bruhh
juanm227 that really sucks
(or not idk)
juanm227 Same here in Amsterdam! 5-6€ per hour
i like L.A. a lot but couldn't live there as i hate cars. it is a nightmare driving, paying for insurance, gas, maintainence, tickets you will eventually get because govt.s use them as revenue, etc. i am in new york city. we have incredible public transit here, 24 hours a day! never shuts down
and i was mad that at Hampton Beach, NH, it's like 25 cents per 30 mins ahah
I think of the Meijer store near me. I've been going to for years, on the left side of the store is this massive parking lot that I've never seen anyone park in. And it's like that at many stores. There are acres of paved parking lot that never gets filled up, even during black friday.
Go the Dutch way, prioritize cycling. It works. People go shopping on their bike in big cities because the shops are close to their homes, many do not even own a car anymore.
Aww how cute. Urban planners blaming urban planners for urban planning problems.
lmao about sums it it. It actually cause the first urban planners really didn't do urban planning. Next guy will do it the right way.
I don't think early urban planners could foresee the problem off-street parking would eventually create. It's up to the new generation to solve the problems the previous generations created. I think that the solution will be policy. Make everything associated with driving more expensive and use that revenue to build a more extensive transit network
NorthOCkook You're just raising the cost of living that way, if want to solve the problem, you have to give people a reasonable alternative. And I don't mean just cost, convenience is a big factor. Besides, you can't just shove money into a problem and expect it to be magically solved. Every city I lived with a half decent public transportation system had one thing in common: competition. Wherever many companies could draw and operate their lines with little government intervention, it worked well enough that I didn't wanted to have a car. In the cities with heavily regulated mass transport, it's usually just one to three companies running bus lines, and the lines are designed by some idiot bureaucrats who never set foot in a bus their entire lives.
Here are a few personal anecdotes of what I mean by convenience being as important as cost:
Me and my wife used to live in a city where public transport suited us fine over 95% of the time. Even when it didn't, it was cheaper overall to get a cab every once in a while than to own a car. Also, there were lots of bicycle paths and we could rent bikes for almost nothing. Getting a car wasn't our idea of fun, even if it was somehow cheaper, between daily traffic jams and having to find where to park, it wasn't worth the hassle.
Currently we're living in a city where it's both cheaper and more convenient for us to drive, due to a inefficient public transport system. Mind you, it's not cheap either, for most places we go, there are no free parking options. She could get a free bus to/from the college, but instead she spends money to drive (and park) there. Why? A 15~20 minute drive beats a 90~120 minute bus ride any day. Even if all bus rides were free (not just ones to/from college), we would still drive. The city only allows a single company to run bus lines, so we get all the "joy" of having a crappy monopoly.
My parents live in another city nearby. If my wife or other relatives go with me, it's cheaper to drive. Even when I go alone, despite costing about the same to get a bus or drive, I usually drive. I'm not fond of driving, it's just that, again, city planners screwed up. When the bus station was downtown, I could get there quickly and cheaply, then they moved completely out of the way, so it takes almost an hour just to get there by car/cab, way more if I catch a bus. If I get any unexpected traffic on the way and miss the bus, the next one will only depart 3 hours later.
As much as I hate driving both in the city and in the not so well maintained roads in my state, cars are just way more convenient. It doesn't have to be that way, it's just that the city planners where I live like to look at the various cities where public transport is decent and do just the opposite of that. My parents are getting old, If I could convince them to move somewhere near of where we lived before, it would be great. They would be much closer to decent (and cheaper) medical care, we wouldn't need a car, and despite the higher rent, not having a car would make up for most of the difference. But what can I do? They love living in a tiny backwater city.
The medical profession has existed for millennia and yet it's only been doing more good than harm for around 100 years, so planners aren't doing too badly. Plus, it's politics that drives parking minimums and free parking, not planners.
cosmicbutt LOL, unfortunately not all urban planners are equally talented and a many Americans still think the post 70s suburbs connected by highways are the greatest places to live.
weird to not mention public transportation.
PaddyCollector public transportation sucks ass
TallerYT *Correction :* American public transport sucks ass
Aescius. America is too big for public transportation *not* to suck ass
A. E. Cooper You're so right for suburban or rural environments! It can work in cities, but it really depends on where you are. I live in Chicago and have traveled to big cities like New York and San Francisco where it works great, and loads of people use it. I've also been to smaller cities where it's not as useful like Charleston. It really depends on city to city.
A. E. Cooper, no, it isn't. At all. America is designed spread out because of cars. If cities were designed more like European ones, public transportation would be much more successful, and cars would be used primarily to transport in-between cities or to rural areas, just like Europe.
The whole idea of having nowhere near enough parking for the new building you're producing isn't theoretical - it's a massive problem in old cities and these laws are being introduced in places that haven't had them historically because of it. I've been in places where there's lots of apartment buildings but exactly 0 of them have underground parking or parking lots beside them and the end result is practically a mad max battle for people to get the tiny amount of road parking that you have to pay for, it's a nightmare. Public transit needs to improve for sure but it's not a silver bullet that solves these problems in the foreseeable future
it's not a silver bullet, but combined with bike infra and improving pedestrian access, it would all but slay the beast.
In Greece in smaller cities most urban parking spots are in the sides of the road. There are some public parkings which are free for all citizens but many people abandon their cars there and finally there are private parking lots where you have to pay directly for your parking. However larger markets do have parking.
It's insane, you have to pay everywhere nowadays!
What a suprise! You make use of someone else's ground to park your car and you expect it to be free?
If you're just parking in the streets in front of a store you also have to pay. The streets are public ground I think? Correct me if I'm wrong. :)
AirCannonChannel :)
but you are using that "public" space by depositing your private property on it. You cant just put a huge storagelocker on the sidecurb and store your stuff in it for free just because its public, it would rightfully be removed and youd get a fine.
So all roads should be toll roads, and every public service should be privatized then, right?
At least you have parking spaces lol. Welcome to Eastern Europe.
ThatMinecraftMiner it depends but, there are a lot of places with excess parking. The offstreet parking requirements seem to mainly apply to commercial buildings. Built cities like NYC are already packed so to do off-street parking is nearly impossible so, you don't see much parking aside from the occasional parking garage. When you travel out from the city, the parking lot issue becomes more apparent with outlets and supermarkets having way more space than they need except for maybe Black Friday. Restaurants usually have more of an issue and for Malls, it's usually just bad on the weekends or holidays and only the one big mall in the region of the state.
its mostly talking about suburban areas
eastern europe is so insignificant no one cares
@Mind 3 omg lol😂😂😂😂
In SOVIET RUSSIA CAR PARKS U!
The biggest cost is all the apartments and commercial space that wasn’t built because developers were maxed out on the amount of parking they could provide.
Imagine how tall the Empire State Building would have been if there were minimum parking requirements.
If there's 8 parking spots per car why the heck are college students forced to pay $200+ for parking!?!
In Korea, there's car elevators that goes up and down. That way parking is more specious