What's Crashing NASCAR?
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Austin Dillon's actions at the end of the Richmond race needs a deeper dive. It's been a hot minute since I've done a NASCAR video, but I think it's time to look at what's been going on in the racing world these days. There are some good moments (the Chicago Street Race), but most of what NASCAR does is destroy its own identity for the sake of the sportsball high. Gimmicks everywhere you look, from the NASCAR playoffs to Overtime cautions to segmented races artificially bringing packs together. Teams at a breaking point due to losing money every year thanks to increasing costs and car intricacies, plus decreasing sponsor payouts and quality.
It leads to a tricky situation for the sport as a whole, where team charter negotiations have stalled and the potential for disaster looms. What does NASCAR do? What can the teams do in response? Will we get back to pure racing? Probably not, but this video will hopefully be a good briefing on what's happening.
#nascar #racing #nascarcrashes
Fun fact: about 5% of NFL games go to overtime.
In just the past 18 races, NASCAR has seen 11 overtime finishes (most of which were completely unnecessary).
You'd think we'd be excited to see more OT, and yet the fans are getting absolutely sick of it.
NASCAR truly has done something amazing: they ruined OVERTIME. (HOW THE HELL IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?!?!)
How does a NASCAR race go into overtime?
ITS THE GOAT
@@fortynights1513 After a large outcry from fans about races ending under caution (and probably some disgruntled TV executives as well), NASCAR created the Green-White-Checkered, which is now called Overtime. If a caution comes out late in a race (let's say, last 5 laps or so), the race will be extended to have a finish under green flag conditions, thus Overtime. It's a 2 lap shooutout. There have been many variations on its procedure, but its basics has always remained being 2 green flag laps to finish the race
Something about having too much of a good thing.
In other sports overtime is there to settle ties, but there are essentially no ties in racing so it serves no competitive purpose. Its there strictly as an entertainment gimmick in NASCAR.
If they wanted it to actually be at least a little competition based they'd only use it for races where the gap between 1st and 2nd was close enough for the race to still be in doubt when the caution was thrown, but even that's an arbitrary can of worms that would have to be rather unique to each track and wouldn't solve the problem of them throwing the yellow every time someone sneezes in the general direction of the racing surface.
NASCAR has fined UrinatingTree $100,000 for Actions Detrimental to the sport due to this video
“But I don’t even work here!”
“Would you like a job, starting now?”
“Boy would I!”
NASCAR has fined UrinatingTree $100,000 for Actions Detrimental to the sport due to this video.
He will appear on Denny's podcast next week now. I don't make the rules.
@@TheBronxBunnyMan Steve O’Donnell: I don’t make the rules, I just think them up and put them in place.
NASCAR has also added Jeff Gordon to the playoffs as the 13th driver.
NASCAR has Given a playoff waiver to Kyle Busch, despite missing the first 1/3rd of the season due to injury.
“Not to worry it probably won’t matter much, even if he’s top 30, I don’t see him getting far in the playoffs”…
NASCAR: Kyle Busch steals 2015 Sprint cup title
Well then,
It's insane how contemptible NASCAR sees their fans. Fans, drivers and team owners have been consistent in saying what they think will help - more horsepower, less downforce, less gimmicks, and a fair points system. So NASCAR tells them to get fucked, keeps the HP at 670, installs underbody splitters, keeps stages and overtime, and refuses to budge on the playoffs. You should have included the clip from Harvick in 2020, where after getting knocked out in the Round of 8 despite winning 9 races that season, said "these championships aren't like the ones Petty and Earnhardt won." If the drivers don't care, why should we?
Literally the quotes from Harvick couldn’t be more true. I literally don’t care who wins the championship. I have to remind myself that Logano won in 2022 meanwhile I’m not even a huge NFL fan but I know that the chiefs won it last year
I don't think it's shocking that F1 is seeing growth in The US right now while NASCAR enters its flop era. As a long-term F1 fan, I'm not pretending that it's perfect, but they can deliver a solid race that doesn't destroy the dam of credibility.
@@moffattron9000 one thing about F1: their US based ownership (Liberty Media) must answer to the FIA and the teams, because the deals that hold F1 together are barely there and some teams (like McLaren) always play very hard ball to sign it. Last thing F1 wants is another FISA-FOCA war.
Nascar has no one to perform their checks and balances
I only really watch the whelen modified tour for this reason. No gimmicks, just reasonably good racing at good short tracks. I watch all the indycar and f1 races though too.
Welcome to how many of us have been living since 2008.
Oh God, TREE MADE A NASCAR VIDEO, THIS IS NOT A DRILL, I REPEAT NOT A DRILL
Love the original Star Wars Battlefront 2
It’s at 666. Not liking haha
As a NASCAR fan, it’s definitely frustrating because the pieces are there for the sport to be great again; rivalries, close finishes, old tracks returning to the sport. It’s just stupid shit like Richmond that tears down any progress made
Yep. I love NASCAR, but I think a return to the year long points system and fix other details, no stages no gimmick overtime’s. I think 1 GWC is it, nothing else.
It's really frustrating seeing how there is genuine interest still in the sport. Ratings have been stable and attendance is the highest its been in at least a decade.
Which makes seeing NASCAR do stupid shit with their product all the more frustrating.
Sell the sport.
@@nickman2345 Well, therein lies the problem. The owners know that even with a shitty product they could attract the numbers, so why bother improving. The only shot something happens is if there's enough backlash to affect the numbers or the teams revolt (which as Tree said is almost impossible since the owners also owns the track). Which basically means NASCAR fans are fucked for the foreseeable future.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014PREACH
Stop killing your product. This is a lesson so many companies need to learn!
You'd think most companies would figure this out, but they somehow have all forgotten this simple principle
@@DepravedCoTApologist
These people don't understand the sport in the first place, or love it, they just see it as a profit centre that they have to squeeze more and more out of. It's because they are endlessly greedy and constantly demand more "growth" even when those changes backfire.
On top of this, executives and management have egos and always feel the need to put their "stamp" on things by demonstrating their ability to "innovate".
That's the explanation, it has no more complexity than that.
@@DepravedCoTApologist Same thing with recently concluded OLYMPICS GAMES in PARIS. The French people KILLED WOMEN"S SPORTS by Match Fixing, Corrupt sports officials and ORGANIZED CRIME.
But, but we're only moderately profitable. We have to go *ALL IN* to maximize profits
@@RatedRMario21
God, I love unbridled capitalism.
I feel like NASCAR is one of those sports where the cake is already baked. Sometimes trying to progressing something is only going to do more damage than actual good. Sometimes going back to your roots and what made you good is probably the best thing they can do at this point, along with getting rid of the France family.
THANK you. I’ll give it another shot once the sale has been finalized, the France Kennedys leave forever, and the entire front office is fired-Steve O’Donnell, Steve Phelps, Elton Sawyer, Ben Kennedy, GONE.
Thats a really good way to put it.
It like adding new rules to soccer
People would be killed within 4 hours based on how soccer fans are dont change the recipe
Just keep cooking easy cash man
So correct me if I’m wrong but they have points depending upon finish, followed by a playoff for the top few finishers overall?
@@fortynights1513On a race-by-race basis 1st place gets 40 points, 2nd gets 35 points, and every place down is one point less. But they also have two stage breaks in the races, where the leader gets 10 points, and a point less for every position in the top 10. Adding the stage points and the points from finishing position is how you get total points earned for a race. As for the playoffs, 16 of the top drivers from the first 26 races get in. If you win, you're in (Unless you lose that benefit i.e. Dillon at Richmond). If there's less than 16 winners in the first 26 races, the remaining spots are filled by the highest non-winners in points. Playoffs make up the final 10 races. First 3 are the Round of 16, then after that third race, four drivers are eliminated. Each round has three rounds until you get to the 4th one. By that point, only 4 drivers will be left with a shot. That race will be the finale, and the highest finisher out of the remaining four wins the championship
My dad used to turn on nascar after church instead of football when I was a kid. I don't think he's watched a race in 5 years. How times have changed
Exact same situation for my father
Growing up our family would be rushing home after church, bitching about whatever nonsense made it go long this week, to catch the start of the NASCAR race. Now it's football all weekend long for my parents and NASCAR only flips on (at best) to avoid commercials.
I haven't watched a NASCAR race in about a decade at this point and got into F1 instead. For all its faults, and there are a lot, you don't have to try to convince yourself that it's a legitimate racing series.
It's a shame because the past 4 or so years have had some incredible moments. But the Playoff system rewards luck far too much. They need to go back to strictly points and simply give a little more points per win.
@@Oozywolf for real this is and has been the obvious solution for so long. When I was first getting into nascar in the late 90s/early 2000s I loved the action but never understood why completely dominating and winning the race was only like 10% more valuable than coming in 5th. All they had to do was adjust the points distribution, it's insane that the playoffs have been around 20 years with 12 different formats and none of them have been good
Your dad must be a southerner, not living where midnight street races held
A kinda sad thing of this season is the fact that RIchmond's finish will be remembered the most when it's part of the same season where we had not one but 2 clean photo finishes (Atlanta and Kansas).
The gimmicks have truly affected Nascar big time, and sadly this is what the France family want.
Kansas, IMO, is the best track in NASCAR right now and I *never* thought I'd say that. Better than the manufactured pack racing at the plate tracks and better than any other intermediate.
I'm not super locked in every single week, but as a pretty huge Suarez mark, that Atlanta finish hit like crack for me
Those races weren’t clean. They both went to Overtime to get those finishes. In fact the vast majority of the “memorable” finishes we’ve had in the past 2-3 years have been due to Overtime.
I’ve said it for years; make the races just 3 laps long since 9/10 times that’s all it boils down to.
You mean the photo finishes that were created by a late race yellow?
I actually will remember the photo finish the most. People like you are too busy focusing on the negatives and that you can't even enjoy the good finishes cause of one bad one
Quick correction;
Stewart-Haas isn't shutting down, Tony Stewart is selling his stake in the team and the team is downsizing from 4 cars to 2.
Another correction: Richmond Raceway rather than Richmond Motor Speedway
More correction...Haas is shutting down the NASCAR due to focusing more on F1....
Ain't no way
I think it was from 4 cars to 1, not 2
@@johnpatricklim4509 Which is surprising TBH.. I would have expected Gene Haas to sell his F1 stake and just focus on NASCAR than the opposite.
It's insane how much less people actually talk about NASCAR compared to the 90s and 00s. The fall in popularity not just in terms of the numbers (ratings, attendance and merch) but just in people even conversing about it is insane. It very much exists, and yet it also somehow doesn't.
Exactly! I remember my aunt was never a big sports fan or even Nascar fan but she knew who Dale Earnhardt and Richard Petty were.
Now If I hung up posters of some of today's drivers in her house, after a week she still couldn't probably name some of them.
I'm a motorsports fan and I'm amazed how little people care about US motorsports. At my local bar, I am the only motorsports fan. Then again, college football has always ruled in my state.
If TREE does an Indycar video, THEN things got really fucked up.
Indycar has a good, authentic product but it isn't marketed very well (only the diehards care about races outside the Indy 500 and it's difficult to get the average American racing fan into road/street circuits). NASCAR's product leaves a lot to be desired but they and their media partners know how to promote their sport.
@@jacobboenzi3222Except it seems WWE-like as well as it seems like Penske can get away with things that other teams can't because the other teams aren't owned by the owner of the sanctioning body (Roger Penske owns Indycar, Indianapolis Motor Speedway and Team Penske, a team that competes in Indycar)
@@patrickracer43 This season has been largely forgettable/disappointing. Last week's race at Gateway didn't do anything to silence those who believe the series favors Penske. However, Indycar's gimmicks and WWE-like entertainment pale in comparison to NASCAR.
@@jacobboenzi3222 unfortunately Roger is going senile and wants to bring those NASCAR style gimmicks to Indycar, hell, they want charters (because that's going so well for NASCAR)
Things in Indy car have kinda been fucked up since 1996.
Ik literally Zero about NASCAR but I'm always up for listening to UTree Knowledge
Watch it! Pick a driver and go from there, it’s addictive. If you can go to a race in your area I’d highly recommend it.
It’s great entertainment and tons of fun, there’s a race happening this weekend at one of the best tracks on the calendar and I’d say it’s worth a watch.
Best way to learn is by actually watching races. Also find some CZcamsrs that make great NASCAR content (Eric Estepp, S1apSh0es, EllyProductions, etc.) Even EmpLemon's videos on NASCAR are great for helping people learn
@@nicktrelow2338the most I've ever really known about NASCAR was a book I read about Tony Stewart back in elementary school but after that nothing
highly recommend Emplemon's youtube videos about NASCAR. even if you don't like/care for NASCAR, Emp has some great storytelling videos that explain our appeal for the sport in a non-boring way
TREE MAKING A NASCAR VIDEO? *AM I DREAMING RIGHT NOW?*
3rd NASCAR video he made if I recall the first was discussing the new playoff format and then the 2nd was about Danica Patrick
@@dcoker9738 You mean NASCAR'S BSOD (Blue Screen of Death?)
@@kendraftman yeah that one
1:17 Master Logano, there are too many of them, what are we going to do?
As a NASCAR fan
THANK YOU for making this
Our officials are the biggest joke in sports
Can’t blame the officials. This is all on Jim France, Lesa Kennedy, Ben Kennedy, and the joke of a front office they run. Sell the sport.
FIFA/CONMEBOL laughing at distance
@@baxatakbaxatak2014that too
But the officiating
SUCKS
Always have been always will be
NHL fans would like to have a word with you on that
If you’re really quiet, you can hear S1apShoes screaming
Hahahaaaa
Fun fact Chicagoland Speedway is owned by NASCAR. Yet for 3 seasons NASCAR is paying to build a pop up track in downtown Chicago. While the track they own about 40 ish miles away sits effectively abandoned.
Chicago street race is awesome but Chicagoland is very missed
*Protip:* When a sports league starts hiding attendance and revenue figures from the public eye, 99% of the time (with a 1% margin of error) it's a telltale sign that things have gotten dire, and said league is probably staring financial insolvency in the face.
NASCAR may have enough fumes to make it to the end of the decade, but much longer than that? Without serious change, I have my doubts.
Every sports league cooks the numbers a bit, but to outright HIDE evidence is wild.
Biggity Biggity Biggity! Let's go gear-slammin'! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
NASCAR is dare I say PWNING itself
As a long time nascar fan, you’ve hit the hammer on the head of every issue we fans have with the sport: the gimmicks. Unfortunately nascar thinks this is the only way to compete with the NFL and NBA and completely tones out its fanbase for the big ratings and almighty dollar. Someone like me who’s invested their life into the sport will always watch but man it hurt to see it fall from what it was in the golden days
And yet ratings still fall off when NFL season starts. If they want the casual's attention, Drivers should be marketed more and the points system needs to be simplified.
NASCAR should just do what F1 and Indy do:
Fuck the gimmicks. Just let fast cars go vroom.
I’ve never been a NASCAR fan, but when it had no gimmicks, I was very aware of its existence and its big names.
@@Pokemonmaster150b fr
Urinating Tree recommends we go back to actually good NASCAR racing
*The restrictor plate has entered the chat*
Completely agree with you Tree. I've been a nascar fan since i was little and have been to two Daytona 500s. It really is a shame that NASCAR just will not listen to the fans' criticisms and critiques on the product we get week after week, and they barely don't listen to the drivers, teams, even owners if they have any say. So all that to say NASCAR really does need to go back to its roots: pure, full-throttle, 200mph racing with no gimmicks.
Thank you for bringing more attention to motorsports! For better or for worse, NASCAR is legitimately incredible. I hope everyone gives it a chance one day.
Not until the France Kennedys sell the sport.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 -- It seems as though even the grandson was used as a test crash dummy at one point (Ben Kennedy at one point drove for the now-defunct Red Horse Racing).
As long as keep putting replays on CZcams, everything should be fine (in the short term). With the new TV deals starting next year, I not sure what's going to happen.
@@jakesmith6233 Whatever means the France Kennedys hemorrhage money and are forced to sell the sport.
seems like the Drivers are gonna form a union and go on strike against the France-Kennedys
I’m always bored at the idea of Nascar, then I see crashes and competitive finishes. As a potential fan I need an easy understanding of how to get into it and what I’m seeing
As a lifelong NASCAR fan, those things are what they really had right in the 90s and early 2000s. You had the wrecks, the great racing, the personalities. They knew their product left alone would be able to draw new fans in, and it did. At it's peak in viewership in 2005, it was the 2nd most watched sport in the US. But over the past 20 years, they got into a habit of trying to make the special moments in NASCAR, regular occurrences in races or seasons. Brian France did so much irreparable harm to the sport, that by the time he was ousted in 2018, things were unrecognizable to where they had been 15 years prior. The Frances at least from what I can tell, seem to be trying to fix Brian's mistakes, but it seems like they're fixing chipped paint, while ignoring it not helping the massive dent in the car
@@JoeyFangaz S1apShoes is a great introduction, particularly his “8 things you didn’t know about NASCAR video”
(This one: czcams.com/video/PCon7r0-xr0/video.htmlsi=YRm73tZdnLjwgDzM )
First of all,don’t watch sh¡t like this,and don’t ask the internet for thoughts. You need to just watch it and enjoy it. It is as good and exciting as it’s always been. I’ve been watch full time for over 30 years.
Pay attention to the jostling for position between cars during a race, that's what this series does better than any other. It also helps if you can drive it on a simulator/video game as it's way harder to get these cars around an oval than people realize
The worst part about the current state of NASCAR:Anytime you criticize NASCAR for doing something bad or make any negative take regarding it...the fanbase gaslights you and will say "all you do is complain"
Here's a FACT: "All you do is complain" is not,never was,and never will be a valid argument... you're just mad someone criticized something you like.
That 2nd paragraph goes for fans of other sports too btw.
@@DrSamwpepperDoes anyone say “For all its faults I’ve enjoyed it, but I see how that could make it better.”
And proceed to have an honest debate?
Not a NASCAR fan, just curious.
While this is true, our fanbase is also notorious for having the most nitpicky complaints about literally everything, to the point that it saying, "All you do is complain" is a valid response. Legit, things as trivial such as how much grass is around the track is complained about
@@fortynights1513 it very rarely happens now.
I wish it was like that,but unfortunately it doesn't happen anymore.
What do you expect from deep red conservatives? Grievances are like oxygen - they can't live without 'em.
Tree NASCAR video? Hell yeah!
NASCAR ironically started declining when they started using gimics to try to gain more viewers when it was already peaking. The fans started leaving when the integrity did.
And now the guy who’s LAST IN POINTS is going to the playoffs.
I fucking hate it here lol
Granted, that was an awesome finish, and clean (enough) ending for Daytona. System's still broken enough though.
The national television expansion of the early 2000s was the best thing that could have happened for NASCAR and also the worst. They don’t know how to reclaim that initial buzz and they’re throwing nearly everything at the wall to see what works - coupled with an overabundance of commercial breaks from Fox.
I’ve heard some say the early 2000’s to 06 was the peak of it all, then it fell off.
Not a fan, but that’s what I’ve heard.
@@fortynights1513 That is true, NASCAR was at its biggest and most culturely relevant in the early to mid 2000's. 2005 was the season that had the most amount of viewership ratings ever. It's been a sharp decline since then for a number of factors. A lot in their control (like the gimmicks), but some out of it (like the economic recession of 2008 hitting the sport and fanbase hard, and TV producers refusing to adapt with the times)
NASCAR during their peak were way too focused on trying to appeal to a casual audience that was eventually going to lose interest
It's the same mistakes F1 is currently making
@@DepravedCoTApologist I would add the retirement of 4 of the most popular drivers in a 4 year period with nobody to take up the slack.
the ad breaks have been insufferable, it's like watching commercials with a side of racing
A Nascar Video in this Economy? The God's Truly spare Noone 😂
I think Brock Beard made a brilliant point when he mentioned how fans really don't care about the points every race, they care about the event itself.
I don't want to see my favorite driver win and hear Rick Allen (And now Leigh Diffey) mention they're in the playoffs. I just want to be happy in the fact they finally won.
exactly
ya, they killed routing for a underdog to win since it now means someone last in points can get lucky on a superspeedway race and get in the playoffs over whaaay more deserving drivers,
but hey im sure someone last in points out of all the full time drivers , like 34th or something ,would never get a lucky superspeedway race win and get into the playoffs over a bunch of good drivers......
"Feels WWE like" that's every sport these days
Short attention spans means that leagues know they MUST be entertaing as much as possible or else risk have people moving theyselfes to something else
@@superninja252 probably best they did move on
Yeah but you gotta put on a good show too
If it was about finding who the vest team was in an objective fashion, no sport would have playoffs and theyd just give it to whoever had the most wins at the end of the season. But some gimmicks are actually real fun too.
@@colmecolwag some are fun and have a purpose, most are just unnecessary bullshit to gain the attention of attention deficit morons who wouldn't have watched the game from the start
@@colmecolwag some gimmicks are entertaining and have a purpose, most are a hindrance that serves no purpose other than to attract the attention of people who would have never watched it with or without them
FINALLY A BIG CZcamsR IS CALLING OUT NASCARS GARBAGE AND BS🔥🔥🔥
thank you Tree🙏
If anyone would do it, Tree is the one.
@@number1musichater430facts
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As a fan of NASCAR for over 20 years (started in 2002 because my friend watched it and that's how I got into it), I can honestly say that this whole nonsense that happened with Dillion was completely overblown and caused by NASCAR's stupid playoff system. I run a wrestling channel, and considered making a video about this and I still might given the WWE Comparisions. I used to love NASCAR as a kid, grew up going to many races with my Dad. I'd make sure to never miss a race and watch everything from the Trucks, Busch (as it was known then) to Cup. As I got older into the 2010's, I still enjoyed NASCAR but damn the gimmicks made my interest drop over time. I was fine with the Original Chase concept, even when they added 2 Wild Cards, cool. Now doing 16 drivers, the win & in playoff format, it's just too much.
Um, there are plenty doing that
7:57 scoreboard alone gave me a nostalgia slap in the face
I can't believe tree managed to fit an a Lance Stroll name drop in a NASCAR vid lol. That was great!
Why did I knew that there would be some mention of Abu Dhabi ‘21 in this lol
And of course Tree throws shade at Lance Stroll 😂
@@Pokemonmaster150b -- Tree is just making a (BWT) Racing Point!
@@AEMoreira81 Facts
Good time too. there's some excitement in F1 again. 7 different winners and a battle for the constructors.
@@accent1666 McLaren might end up stealing the WCC.
One thing I'm surprised you didn't mention was star power. I remember when I used to watch it NASCAR had Jeff Gordon, Jimmy Johnson, Earnhardt Jr, and Stewart. You saw their numbers and you knew what they meant. Now? Who is that racer? Who's their Mahomes? Who's their Judge? Better yet; who's their Verstappen? They don't have one anymore. Having a face of your sport gets people to want to watch just to see how great they are. I know no one who's currently racing in the circuit. That's not a good thing.
Who’s Verstappen?
@@fortynights1513F1 Red Bull Racing driver and current 3x champion
I don't think it can be overstated how big the early retirement of Carl Edwards is looking these days. He could have really helped soften the blow losing those stars left behind.
Larson, Hamlin, Elliot, Logano, Busch… those are the headliners… Truex, Blaney, Byron and Keselowski are around
Kyle Larson is NASCAR's Max Verstappen because he is a BETTER driver than he is.We also have drivers like Chase Elliott, Christopher Bell, Ty Gibbs, William Byron, and 2023 Cup series champion Ryan Blaney. There is plenty of superstar drivers in NASCAR, and many veterans like Brad Keselowski, Joey Logano, and Kyle Busch.
7:35 All the France family has to do.
*ABANDON THE GIMMICKS!!*
I wouldn't even mind the playoffs if it wasn't for the win and you're in rule & the final round being a one race shootout.
The way the NASCAR playoff system works would be the equivalent of the World Series or Stanley Cup Finals ending in one game.
For most ball sports single game is ok
But for racing is too random to be a fair format
@@superninja252 *coughs in superspeedway*
playoff crap don't work in racing. the old system worked as it rewarded consistency across the entire season. its easier to get 5 wins then 36 top 5's in a season.
@Dratchev241 Well the networks aren't wanting that back. And after 2003, NASCAR never looked back after fans complained just enough about the old system to implement what they've always wanted to do.
@@MM126.90yup and the guy last in points won of course tonight
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@@SwaggyDawggy These are stock cars
Sportscars are in IMSA and WEC
@@MM126.90 bro it was a joke on Sportsball
@@MM126.90r/woosh
@@MM126.90 hate to break it to you. Nascar is no longer stock. These next gen shit boxes are closest to sports cars than anything else
Tree making an F1 reference. We have reached the end game.
Now I'm awaiting the Ferrari lolcow video
And someone other than Max Verstappen wins a day later 😅
@peacefrog0521 I mean, at least Lando Norris is to be expected, given that he's arguably Max's strongest rival right now.
Same goes for if Lewis Hamilton, Charles Leclerc, George Russell, or Oscar Piastri got the W
If it was someone like Lance Stroll, Zhou Guanyu, Kevin Magnussen, or Logan Sargeant, then we'll know that the End times are here 🤣
oh i think an F1 video is coming
Honestly, the start time issue is a general thing. As someone living on the West Coast, I prefer later times, yet I do my best to get up early to watch an early morning race. It just risks alienating the western part of the country because they would still be in the midst of waking up, especially on a Sunday morning.
It’s also an issue with the NBA and Stanley Cup Finals, and over there it makes a lot more sense since they don’t want to start games while half of the country is still at work or in traffic.
Here's some things NASCAR could do that would be an improvement to what they have:
-Remove the playoffs and institute the season-long points format with the updated bonuses from the Chase era (most laps led, point per position, etc.). And have the network show the points battle during the race in the final 10 races.
-Remove stages or the cautions between stages.
-Move numbers back to the center of the door.
-Either remove overtime entirely, and/or make caution laps not count.
-NASCAR nonstop during green flag racing throughout the race, full screen commercials during cautions and red flags.
-Remove the charter system and run qualifying like it was before (2 laps per driver, no rounds, nobody else on track, some drivers will fail to qualify)
-More practice sessions throughout the week
-More Saturday night races in the summer (Tracks like Kansas would do numbers and add differentiation from daytime dates)
-The Xfinity series gets a more unique schedule than the Cup series, with less same track weekends
-Have the season end in October, shorten the season by a race or two
the number moving again wouldnt really be an improventment, they are fine more forward, it was never a big deal when they moved.
And what happens when someone clinches before the final race? Unless you have some sort of Promotion & Relegation system between the Cup and Xfinity Series, the races run after clinching won't mean a damn thing.
I'd rather have a single race "Tournament of Champions" with only those who won a race eligible for it. Points can be used to determine the Grid for that race in lieu of normal Qualifying. If it stays in November, then alternate between Homestead and Phoenix. If you move it to October, then you can increase the number of tracks able to hold it. Xfinity Series should still have races in November even if the mainline does not; Cup racers that failed to qualify for the ToC may participate in those Xfinity races, but _only_ those racers and races. You're either in the Upper Division or the Lower Division.
@@Donald_the_Potholer Then the champion is decided before the final race. They drove better than everyone else all season and won fair and square without a points reset.
I do think they should be increasing the HP and drop the elimination style playoffs and return back to a 2004 style postseason structure. But they also have to be 100% consistent on fines and penalties.
Well do you want to go back to a point system where the winner of the cup only won one race and it was the worst season ever
@@redred222 the chase for the cup with a few tweaks is a better comprise than full season points
@redred222 I doubt anyone wants to have another Matt Kenseth type season, unless you're a traditionalist who thinks NASCAR died with Dale and misses the old Winston points system. Ever since the Chase was implemented in 2004, all champions has had more than 2 wins. However, the elimination round style era really is flawed if the most dominant driver with the most wins don't make it to the next round
@@PhantomThiefOfSports the entire problem with this take is that the emphasis of NASCAR was never supposed to be on the championship. NASCAR is a touring series rather like golf, and was at its peak when the focus was on each individual race each week, with a higher emphasis on the crown jewel races. The points standings were an indication of who was having a good season, but were more a secondary thing to the happenings within each race. Then at the end of the season, you’d tally up the points and see who was the season champ.
When NASCAR started implementing the Chase, it started taking the focus off the core of the product, which was the individual races that people watch and attend. People don’t go to a race or watch it on tv to calculate points or tally up the playoff picture, they go to enjoy watching the best stock car drivers in the world give everything they have to win a race. Nothing less, nothing more.
NASCAR’s competition office needs to drop all of the gimmicks and focus on putting out a good solid product on a weekly basis for the fans at the track and at home. Just get the basics right before anything else.
The marketing side has actually done a pretty decent job of growing the sport and attracting young fans in recent years. So let them do their job and don’t blow it for them.
@@redred222As someone who was there, I loved the Kenseth championship. Extreme consistency when guys like Newman had none. 19 differeny winners that year. I actually loved it. A lot better than a ton of Chase championships.
@ 2:34
Lowkey I wouldn’t mind having Urinating Tree talk about F1 think him shitting on McLaren poor game plan when they have the fastest car and Ferrari being Ferrari would be hilarious
Hell, RED BULL might deserve a video since Max is the only one carrying them and they're rapidly losing ground to McLaren.
Just blame Matt Kenseth for the existence of the post season, he only one 1 race in the beginning of 2003 and never looked back
That was the worst season ever there was no drama or anything
@@redred222the only drama was exactly he winning the championship with a single race
He won 7 or 8 in 2002 and lost out to return he had to return the favor.
Don't blame Kenseth. Consistency was always king under the latford system. It's Brian France who really screwed us all over.
@@redred222 dawg that season had 17 different winners and one of the greatest finishes in racing history not a bad season by any means
2:18 Don't you ever compare WWE to Nascar Tree lol. Even though it's scripted, at least with WWE, it's entertaining. I couldn't care less about the manufactured controversies of Nascar.
Especially after the overthrowing of vinny mac to Hunter. Now THAT'S entertaining in a good way
Hol’ up…….. Tree covered NASCAR again?
EVERYONE TAKE A PICTURE THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST MOMENTS OF ALL TIME !!!!!
I was a Gordon fan and I left before he even retired because of how every new season's gimmick ruined more and more title chances for him. Gordon would have 7 titles under the old points system and would be tied with Petty and Earnhardt. He has more career wins, higher average finish, more top 5's, poles and laps led than Jimmie Johnson.
I went to the Indy 500 earlier this year. It was totally packed out. Granted, it's Indy, and it's still one of the most iconic races to ever exist.
A few weeks later, it was Nascar's turn to run the track at the Brickyard 400. The stands at IMS were practically fucking *empty*
Until Shrub ran out of talent and we went into overtime Hell (like always), the Brickyard was a compelling race of who called the right strategy and who actually had the grit to make it to the end, as NASCAR at Indy has always been.
But this is modern NASCAR. We can’t have anything nice.
@@mrhatty0514blame the GWCs for existing
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YTGWCs mask a deeper problem; the decline of driving standards. They don’t exist in NASCAR.
its indy's daytona, it will fill regardless , its the only indycar race that can even come close to nascars veiwership,
One of these days, Tree is going to start SportsBall for formula 1 and the apocalypse will start about 0.00001 second after the upload.
Lmao Alpine vs. Sauber TANK BOWL
Come on, Tree, F1 never had any integrity in the first place
...wait, Daytona next week? Oh, fuck
EDIT: ...tomorrow? OMG
Daytona is not next week, but *TOMORROW*
@@PlayStation_5247 oh, crap
INDYCAR MENTIONED
We’re having a great season over here with a genuine six-way title chase, no gimmicks needed
Just a controversy surrounding the owner of the series and the team he owns. I’d call that a pretty huge red flag if I were an Indy fan.
That’s the only good thing we have going on for the sport at this point in 2024 :(
It’s been hell for IndyCar this year
@@mrhatty0514 If you were an Indy fan then you would know that the best team in the sport isn't even Penske, it's Ganassi. If Penske was really cheating more than that one time they tried this year, they would have won every year since Roger bought the series.
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT it's been fine dog
@@nealmiller7849 there’s been more bad news than good news
A rare but welcome treat.
2:43 Shane van GEESEbergen! Love it! Never change with the new nicknames UT, never change.
After 7 years!
I remember watching NASCAR in the 90s, and seeing the different models and racers made it legitimately fun. The cars used to have headlights for night races! Now everyone runs the same car, and I haven’t even seen a race since maybe 2010
My dad wasn't too much of a fan of NASCAR. He liked it, but he was more into IndyCar and international racing like F1.
And since Tree doesn't seem to be making "Kyle Shanahan: A Legacy of Choke", I may have to do it myself. Maybe it'll help un-jinx him so he can find his hidden Nine-Tailed Fox.
I think another big factor that goes into why the product is so lackluster isn’t just the gimmicks but also the fact that nearly every car is completely identical at this point. They can only use nascar approved parts from nascar approved suppliers. Gone are the days when teams would innovate and create whacky car setups. It also plays into the teams losing money because the approved parts aren’t cheap. When the sport began it wasn’t uncommon for the driver to also be a mechanic. I think this is what makes F1 so interesting is it’s not just the drivers competing but the manufacturers too.
I know that people criticize Formula 1 because having a superior car is a cheat code, but IMO it's a good thing because it promotes creativity and innovation. Moreover, as someone with a STEM background, I love seeing team engineers' hard work getting recognized when their car does well.
Tree posting a nascar video means I gotta be early
someone else made a great video about this situation and he didn't even blame Austin for doing what he did, he outright blamed NASCAR because it was so manufactured, Austin was dominating that race, what was wrong with that? Every race this guy noticed had an obscene amount of cautions and they were all designed to reset the field.
I also appreciate you pointing out F1 as well, I LOVE the concept and style of F1, but I hate its execution, the 2023 season was record breaking for Verstappen, he dominated almost every single race, and some how fans enjoy that, like a WWE Champion dominating for a year. Verstappen won all but 3 races, with his teammate winning 2 of those. His teammate finished 2nd overall in the final point standings. How is that fun? I get that it's also a game for the engineers but good lord is the racing boring when certain drivers dominate!
That's why I hope and pray some day that Indy Car regains its popularity outside of the Indy 500. They don't say no to any race track that will take them here in North America unlike Formula 1's crazy standards, and they do both Ovals/Roads for courses! They don't have any gimmicks like NASCAR and some drivers are better at certain styles of racing than others so there is no guarantee who's champion by the end of the season. 2023 saw Alex Palou win the championship winning just 5 of the 17 races.
I love motorsport. Loved NASCAR as a kid...that was a long time ago. It's got to the point where if NASCAR died, I wouldn't miss it. The series has to die to preserve North America's reputation in racing from a worldwide perspective. It's got that bad
@2:31 one thing I always love about trees vids is the absolutely insane video game music he pulls, and pulling the N64 version of the in-race music for NASCAR 2000 is 🔥🔥
A well-needed video. Been watching since I could first remember things in 2004-5. NASCAR, like so many sports unfortunately, has sought out the "Sports-Entertainment" label. It's no longer about prowess and well honed talent, instead it's a mutated mess of gimmicks to try and appeal to the masses. All integrity has been tossed away to make every race memorable, which in term leaves nothing truly special anymore.
The scary thing is WWE is lessening gimmicks and focusing on actual story and wrestling. When NASCAR is more confusing than Mario Kart for points and mechanics, something is off.
Tree, are you telling us that NASCAR races are as scripted as NFL games?
Not quite, the NFL has smarter fans on a pound per pound basis.
Way way worse
So much more scripted. It’s even worse because only one team can win in the NFL and you can’t create a good finish if the score is a blowout. With 40 cars on track you can call a yellow with 2 laps left, go to overtime, and do it as many times as you want UNTIL you get that crazy finish or that golden boy (Chase Elliott or Kyle Larson) wins.
No Sports are scripted NBA & NFL Maybe in NASCAR Though definitely
“Just imagine Lance Stroll winning instead of Max Verstappen”
I mean… that would be hilarious and I’d be down for that as long as it was only once lmao
Yes it has been awhile Tree, we love to see it
Love how a New Zealander has provided the highlight for an American sport (not for the first time. See America's Cup, World's Fastest Indian, etc.)
Lets go, also ive seen oh joseph logano do that dump and run multiple times, im not even mad about that. But that Hamlin move deserved the penalty and im happy nascar made the punishing call, still happy to see tree talking about nascar.
Omg I played the exact same game as a kid!!!! NASCAR Thunder 2003 on the GameCube was my childhood!!
I remember watching Nascar and NFL back in the early 2000s business was BOOMING ...I haven't watched Nascar in years
Early 2000’s NFL had a good crop of running backs
Very true about modern day nascar, hate overtime and stage racing, consistency should be rewarded and that Richmond finish was ridiculous and uncalled for.
Tree do a long form video on the New York Rangers
I used to live and breathe NASCAR in the 90s and early 2000s but it just became a joke with the car changes, the point changes, "stage racing" which doesn't even make sense. It's a race and cautions shouldn't occur unless necessary. I'm not sure at this point would work to get me back as a fan. Probably nothing.
I've only ever been to two NASCAR races in my entire lifetime - Pocono in 2003 and Michigan in 2005. Since my stepfather passed away the day after the 2023 Daytona 500, I have not watched a single NASCAR race on TV. NASCAR in the 2020's is a very, *VERY* far cry from its Winston Cup days of the '80s and '90s when we had drivers like Richard Petty, Darrell Waltrip, Dale Earnhardt, and Jeff Gordon. Nowadays, with all of the old guard gone from NASCAR, it just isn't the same anymore. I've simply given up on NASCAR racing altogether.
You absolutely got this right, every point was well-reasoned and completely correct.
no kevin lepage slander
Being a NASCAR fan for 24 years now, i've seen the sport change in a huge way in that time. The issue with the playoffs is the 'win and you're in' mentality that NASCAR has had since the mid 2010s. I like the playoffs and the original version of the Chase for the Cup was the best version. As for overtimes, I'm a fan that hates seeing races end under yellow. I do think there needs to be a cap on the overtime periods through, as they have done before.
NASCAR needs to go back to the good old days of LET THEM FUCKING RACE
exactly as well lower costs Home Depot,Lowes,Coke and Even Hooters sponsors will come back as well keep lesser ones in the Games like Black Rifle Coffee and Columbia.
@@JBTriple8 hooters aint coming back, they are trying not to go bankrupt right now, thats why they pulled out, they couldnt afford a sponsorship even if cost where lowered
My first nascar season I watched was 2007.... I was 6 years old.... every Sunday was must watch TV. They were absolutely electric regardless of what the race was. Full stands and the cars were actually fast. The only season that could have rivaled sense those years was 2014. To me mainly cause of the action on and off the track as well as how much horse power those cars were packed with. There was unbelievable times in qualifying and unreal racing during the race itself
A utree NASCAR vid sign me up
Nascar has been on a slow downward spiral since the chase was introduced, the change from winston to nextel and all the rule changes there just kept getting worse from there.
2:31 Goatifi moment 👑
That's why Latifi is the GOAT
Great to see more NASCAR content from you, and I hope you do make it out to a race. Some developments in the sport are quite intriguing, but I agree there are massive issues that still need attention.
Love that callback to the '92 season. Didn't have any of this claptrap back then, just good hard racin'. Keep the rules changes that were implemented for safety, but get rid of this other junk. No more dangerous as hell overtimes. No more forced cautions and restarts between stages -- or just remove stage racing altogether. The way V8 Supercars does it is way better, with two short races most weekends. I don't much like the playoffs, so I wouldn't be sad at all to see that business go away.
Agree with pretty much all, and Supercars is still an underrated series despite having lost a ton of their greats to Nascar or retirement lately.
I would only fix two things with nascar that you might not agree with me: make the points a limited good (in a field of 35-40, top 15 maximum will get points). And no winless driver in a given season is eligible for the championship. As bad as playoffs might be, an Xfinity series in 2013 and Trucks in 2018 are horrible too
@@otaviofrn_adv it does kind of stink when one driver runs away with the points so hard that the season's effectively over 3/4 of the way through. Is why I don't totally hate the playoffs, but I do wish they'd at least simplify the points system for it. As far as using F1-style points -- why not? That alone would give drivers reason to strive mightily for those points.
@@HayTatsuko look, a driver dominating it all is part of the risk. That's why the final races with championship still open are memorable. like 1992 for Nascar.
It happens more likely than we want to think. But still, even with the dominance there are other storylines falling down in place without a need for a game 7 moment to happen in an artificial manner.
Look, very few times we will get a driver that does not deserve a championship at season's end with a championship that every race weights the same in terms of points. If this happens is usually under circumstances that will be remembered for years, like Schumacher's first F1 Championship in 1994.
It is a risk I'm willing to take because motorsports are generally made of a period of dominance and another of an outright brawl.
We will get Tyson-Spinks, we will get Holyfield-Bowe, and sometimes we will get any fight in between.
Scott Van Pelt said it about the World Baseball Classic back in 2017, but it can be applied to racing too: you don't need anything for race (or baseball) to be fun other than allowing it to be.
I am a car mechanic.
People are just not into cars anymore.
mybe i m getting older.
But no one cares about what car you drive or how much power.
Cars use to advertise on how fast it gets to 100miles/hr or How much power they can produce.
Now its about safety features and how much miliage you drive 100 miles or Towing capicty.
As a car mechanic that's lost interest for the industry. I have to agree with you.
After Tree made a video on NASCAR, I would be intrigued on what a Sportsball type F1 series would look like. Him dunking on Checo would be HILARIOUS. Edit: just got to that part of the video and yep this is needed now
Formula 1 will have lots of material for Tree ahaha.
1. Ferrari and McLaren messing up strategies.
2. Red Bull being the F1 version of the 2018 Cavaliers since Max Verstappen is carrying a declining team.
3. Checo Perez being a scapegoat
4. Lance Stroll. Just....Lance Stroll.
5. Kevin Magnussen being stupid
6. Esteban Ocon being a bad teammate and getting penalties
7. George Russell being F1's Draymond Green
8. Lando Norris messing up starts.
9. Speaking of Stroll...the entire idea of PAY DRIVERS
10. Williams being a dinosaur
11. Sauber with a bad name and a bad car, just waiting for the Audi takeover.
12. Alpine being F1's White Sox
13. Gene Haas being a cheapskate.
14. VCARB being Red Bull's feeder team
15. Haas being Ferrari's feeder team
16. The curse of Red Bull's 2nd seat.
17. Max Verstappen needing anger management
18. Americans being ass at F1 since Andretti and Cheever retired in the 80's.
19. Max Verstappen's childhood trauma
Last time Tree made a NASCAR video, I swear Danica was still racing.
TREE NASCAR CONTENT!!!! LETS GOOOO
Tree making a Lance Stroll joke before gta 6 is crazy😭
i just want kyle fucking busch to win a race this year 😭
when tree makes a nascar vid that’s when you know he’s pissed about it
Tree uploaded a Motorsports video. 😮😮😮
Watching that finish was the best thing I saw in the past few years of bullshit. I herald Austin Dillon as a hero for that one; not really for how he won but to show just how much excitement NASCAR can bring- to be fun, to be interesting, to have weird shit like that happen on the last lap 400 yards from the finish line. I was howling and laughing watching it unfold. The 3 car still lives!
Honestly Hamlin doesn’t really have a case, he tried cutting him off and got bent.
Lagano’s interview was GOLD afterward; like he hasn’t done it before to others.
This is the NASCAR I wish was here.
Oh yeah forgot to mention overtime rules are shit for NASCAR. Didn’t even know that was something they thought would work the way they did it. Too exploitable. Aren’t having a good race and need to get more points? Force overtime. Let’s all put on a blindfold then
And this is why IndyCar has PURE RACING!!!!!
Your calling push to pass pure racing?? LMAOOO
sadly Roger Penske is ruining that as well, and this is coming from a Newgarden fan.
@@BlueJimmie48Fan there are things that definitely need major improvement like more races and despite people shitting on the FOX deal thinking the broadcast will be crappy...at least EVERY RACE is on network television. Plus IMS Media will run the broadcast
If only Indycar had an actual marketing team. There's a reason I see them as the NHL of motorsports.
@@midwesttrainchasers8587 you calling stage racing pure racing?
Days after you post this, the full-time driver lowest in points won at Daytona and clinched a playoff spot.
Point. Proven.
F1 is getting bigger in the US if NAASCAR does not do something to get its core audient's back soon they will be crush by F1
For all of F1's faults, they at least do one thing right:
No playoffs. No stages. JUST PURE, UNADULTERATED RACING.
lol, f1 is not touching NASCAR's popularity for a loooong time in the us
@@Pokemonmaster150b haha ya, racing..... when 1 team can just not be touched and finish leagues ahead of everyone for a few years, then repeat a few later
@@uLWillyG And yet it's still easier to follow than the bullshit stages and playoffs.
And it's not like Red Bull is still cheesing the competition. McLaren is rapidly catching up.
@@uLWillyG If NASCAR keeps doing all those bullshit gimmicks, it might rapidly lose ground
Well said man, appreciate your awesome work and hopefully NASCAR can start to reel some of these atrocious gimmicks back.