REVOLUTIONARY Laser Guided Pull Type Box Blade on Subcompact Tractor!
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- Neil from Dig Drive DIY (CZcams) invited Tractor Time with Tim to help level a new shed floor! TTWT took the laser guided pull type box blade and the John Deere 1025R.
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Awesome video! Awesome grader box. I'm already dreaming up some new projects in order to try it again! 😋
Thanks again for coming out to help!
So I had seen the perspective from Neil on his channel, loved the storytelling and interaction. Now I have seen this from yours and you are both my favorite channels! You both are great storytellers, knowledgeable and grading Experts!
Happy Anniversary!!!
Good to see all of you in the same video getting some work done and enjoying the time together.
Nice box blade and laser setup. Taking the loader off the 1025R gave you more room to maneuver in a tight space.
Hey Ilmo! Yea, we left the loader on for ballast as long as we could.
Great video. I got to watch my two favorite CZcamsr's and the box blade being used is built in my hometown of Kingman, KS. The end product looked professionally done and I think a small contractor would be able to use this set-up. Thanks and Happy Anniversary!!
💥 That laser box blade is incredible!
*Keep on tractoring!*
Tim… that is cool! I can see several applications for it. Getting the stone level inside of the barn was a challenge for me. I had it level before the barn was built. But, we decided to raise it four inches higher to improve drip line drainage. Spreading an additional 4” flat after construction was a royal pain… that would have made it way easier.
Especially if Neil had showed up to run the box blade!
Thanx Tim… I’m gonna run over to his channel now and see his perspective!!
Neil is my guy! Glad you are workind together.,..i love his channel and enjoy his storytelling....i love box blades ..
Happy Anniversary!!!!!!
I gotta say this is one of the cooler grading technologies I’ve seen
This is exactly what I have been looking for. Thank you Tim.
It works, Jeff! For the price, this is hard to beat!
Happy anniversary to you guys may god’s blessings be with your year ahead 🙏
Nice toy ,I was drooling the whole time
Another great collaboration of two great channels. Really enjoy the passion you three have, not only for the work you're doing but for the high quality videos you produce. Thanks for the informative entertainment.
Congrats on 30 years 🎉 . That setup is very cool, thanks for showing us your collaborations and ideas.
Happy anniversary!
Happy Anniversary Tim and Christy. The box blade did a wonderful job on the floor grade. Johnny did a fine job of pulling the box even without all the power and added weight Johnny X carries.
That’s a great attachment. It would be a game changer to a small contractor. Another great collaboration between you guys. It made my Sunday morning. 😊. Happy anniversary!!!
Just to add my .02 on the 3 point mount on this. I think you would be best to go with just a 2 point mount (no top link) and possibly go with a caster type wheel similar to the rear end of a swather to keep your turning radius tight. Then keep a way to lock it for when in pull type use. I think you’ll be happier with a semi mounted set up because it will keep much more weight transferred to the rear wheels of the tractor for traction
Happy Anniversary to you both. I am amazed how well you both get along together especially since you work together.
Nice job Tim. The innovation on this channel is great! Love the variety of everything.
The box blade and laser level system did a great job! Happy anniversary!
Good morning & God bless you today & thank you for sharing
What a nifty unit! It is a marvel. You folks make a great team, and the experience and practical application result in an impressive outcome, and fun to watch. Speaking of a great team…30th anniversary blessings to you and Christy! Blessings.
Happy anniversary! What an awesome and innovative system. I agree, there is some room for improvement, but wow! With a bit more tuning, the whole thing shows SO much promise.
Things I learned from leveling almost 1000 acres of farm land. Find your low spot and then go the nearest high spot and drag that to the low spot. When the blade gets about half empty go to manual and dump the rest of the material and then run back to the high spot for another load. Also do not drag material while turning, except when finishing, always do heavy pulls in a straight line.
You did have to do things a little differently working inside a barn. Picking up excess material with another tractor is a good idea, we used a 7 yard JD dirt pan. We worked together with the blade continuously smoothing the high and low ends to keep from digging too low or piling too high.
Electronics are much cheaper now, in 1987 I paid $20,000 for a used system. It consisted of a duel grade laser emitter mounted on a trailer and an automatic control panel and solenoid valve with a single receiver. I built my own 14 ft box blade.
I kept cringing every time you got close to the wall with the bucket still on the loader. I was relieved to see you finally dropped the bucket off.
We left the loader on for ballast. Notice that we had a bucket mostly full of rock.
Needed all the weight we could get.
My family has some land leveling work to be done. We could use your help!
@@TractorTimewithTim If only I lived closer. Leveling land is fun and therapeutic.
I love that system and it looks to work very well. The one thing I would like to see, and i think would help with filling low spots to one side is to flip the lift wheels to the inside instead of the outside.
Super cool! I am used to running a box blade to do "on the fly" grading, but this is a whole different ballgame where you're working to an absolute reference over a large area with very good accuracy. The results look excellent.
Happy Anniversary!
Always interesting to see what you guys get into! Happy Anniversary Tim And Christy! 😁
Great collab with Neil. Thanks for buying him lunch!😂🤣
Wow your 30 anniversary my wife and I are celebrating 33 years on June 17
Great video Tim! Good outcome as well! If you’re ever in NC and want to try another method I have an deere excavator with an engcon head and idig grade system. Be happy to let you give it a shot.
Hello Tim bigger tractor needed for this job more power and no spinning of wheels. Good video.
Such a useful tool for this kind of work.
Tim and Christy, Thank you so much for your videos. My I learn so much. The man there with you is incredibly knowledgeable and it is fun to see this all come together. By the way and not to be an afterthought. Happy 30th Anniversary to you. God Bless You. Faith Family and Fun. I allways look forward to your Bible Verse at the end of your Videos. Thanks again. John in Missouri Valley Iowa
That was cool looks like your getting it dialed in.
Great video! I love both of your channels! Two great men!
Looks Great as always.
Happy Anniversary guys!!
So excited to see you using the laser system.
Like I’ve told you before I build custom horse arenas in my retirement and have been looking for an affordable box blade laser system.
I like the idea of tow behind because I feel it will take the tractor twisting over un even surfaces out of the equation.
Problem with tow behind though is even though a three point box blade doesn’t have down force, it does help ADD weight to the rear drive tires with the box loaded or empty even.
Truly wish you lived closer Tim to try this system out, and sit down and discuss this further.
Please keep the videos coming on this system I truly have a big need for one.
California, right?
Happy Anniversary Tim and Kristy!
I like the work that you and Neil do , I watch both of your videos, but I think I will just keep my box grader and blade! There paid for!!! Have a great week....
Great video! Absolutely amazing!
It worked very well! Check out Neil’s video.
Great video. Happy Anniversary
Like the video. Happy Anniversary, you seem to work well together and enjoy each other's company, traits needed for a successful relationship.
Looks good Tim
Love the collaboration videos. Neil is great. He needs a Summit kit on his tractor. Please make a video when he gets it.
Awesome!
Two of my favorite channels, why wouldn't I watch?
Happy Anniversary great video interesting tech
Great video, once you make the correct adjustments you make it look easy-to-do, nice looking base, ready for cement..... 🙂👍🙏
Happy anniversary Kristy and tim
You guys should try to get your hands on a laser grader, yes thats a brand name of a tiny grader, 12ft long 4ft wide👍
The weight bracket you welded together really rocked it on the project. (Couldn't resist a pun.) I saw eight of the 42lb weights on there. I'll have to suggest this type of box blade for a hs classmate that does cement work. Also, Happy 30th Anniversary to you and Christy.
Congratulations on the 30 year marriage anniversary that is a great achievement something you don't come across nowadays
Happy Anniversary..
Johnny X is gonna be the tractor to use on all the small stuff from now on 😂 👍👍👍. I love my 5ft 3 point box blade on my 955 even tho I did get my self into to trouble going too deep, rain, and having call in another train of gravel🤦♂️😂.
If you can when you're doing something like that I found that it helps quite a bit if you get yourself a bucket load of ballast. Helps both with steering and traction
Awesome! I have thought about a dual set up, pull behind/3 point. I watched Neil's video on his CAD mock up of his home built box blade. Several problems for me. I don't have property, yet. I don't have a tractor, yet. I don't have resources to build my own yet. Hey, I'm just a guy dreaming, for know. I love the idea of being able to 3 point, rough work and reverse push material, then add pull bar and do finish grade. I thought about removable wheel assemblies, left and right side hydraulics to be able to do slopes, or linked to do level grades. Again, location, resources and talent, needed.
If you have a 3 point hitch made for the box blade, couldn't you put caster wheels on the back so the wheels won't slide.
Happy Anniversary.
Fascinating
Wow, that shows commitment. I'm not sure working on a video on your 30th anniversary is a good thing, but I hope things turned out well with the double cheeseburgers. 🙂 Happy Anniversary! God Bless.
Happy Anniversary
Great Video Tim 👍👍 Always remember that if you love what you're dong You'll never work a day 👍👍
Hi Tractor Time with Tim. The box blade works really well. HAPPY ANNIVERSARY🌹🚜🍔.
Happy anniversary.
Without changing any hydraulic cylinder mountings, extending the tilt side wheel out 4 to 6 inches would give you more tilt. It would also tilt faster. May have to add a swivel to the tongue if you get to much tilt.
The wheels need to be inline with each other if he wants the cutting edge to stay square to the ground while raising/lowering off the lift cylinder alone.
Nice box blade
I think the power masts would make a huge improvement. WHen you are starting and have VERY high areas the blade trys to take that in one cut which is what is stalling the tractor. If you could run the sensors down from the seat so you take a 1 inch cut on each pass you'd be able to work your way to the correct grade without all the rough starts and stops.
Just what I was thinking.
If you have places that are very high, where it might want to take very heavy cuts, could you trick the system by setting the laser tripod a little bit high at first, and ease it toward your intended final grade?
@@douglasjackson1998 Yup.. Same thing except with the power masts one can do it on the go without hopping off the tractor repeatedly.
Honestly that is where manual mode comes in to play. Over ride the system of you know you need to remove a few inches or more do it manually. Auto mode for the fine tuning
The thing we noticed was the flow restricters on the hydraulic lines. It appears you put connectors on the flow restricters so you can add them in line where needed, as opposed to adding them to the implement. We have a flail mower with hydraulic side shift and tilt. The side shift goes WAY too fast, so adding in restricters would be a help. In our case, these are 1/4” rear hydraulic connectors on our LX2610. I’d need the restricters on both directions, I take it, and connectors with male threads into the restricters.
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Very well great guy.
Regarding using the box blade in 3PH mode, I'm thinking that the 3PH tilt cylinder could be actuated by the "tilt" laser to achieve a ditch grade.
I've added a removable hitch to my laser box blade (with gauge wheels) so that it can be used in 3PH or trailing mode. There are pros and cons both ways but still does a great job of leveling in 3PH floating mode.
Yep. Might work!
Tim to the Rescue. Thanks Guys.
Mike M
Happy anniversary
When starting out with a huge difference in grade like you had, I would begin with setting the lasers to leave the grade higher than what you will finish at. Get a couple inches moved, then set back to finish grade and move the rest.
It may have already been mentioned (I didn't read all 192 comments) but could you utilize your heavy hitch (along with the built-in receiver hitch) with this setup to add significant weight to the rear axle (and thus traction)? I realize you'd have to be careful with backing up since there's no down-pressure, but with that in mind, seems like adding 800-ish pounds to the 3-pt hitch would have helped a . And with that much weight, I don't think the lack of down pressure while backing up would be much of an issue as long as you were raising the box-blade up first.
Just a suggestion, but instead of trying to set to grade right away, raise your grade an inch or two, or whatever to get the high stuff knocked down and spread around, then you can pull it down a little at a time till you get it to the grade you want. That way you let tractor won’t work so hard trying to pull it to grade right off the bat
The weights make a huge difference and increase its functionality.
I would grade to the middle, and windrow the surplus to the middle. Then measure the windrow to determine how much aggregate is left. Then pull the surplus out with the backhoe, and do final grade. Or, recalculate the grade to use the amount of gravel you have available.
I would use it on the 3-point, with longer rear links to the wheels. That would slow the reaction speed of the blade, to give you a smoother surface. But being hooked to the adjustable 3-point you could adjust angle of attack on the blade. Take a good look at a full size Grader/blade. The blade is pulled from very front, but controlled in reference to the rear axle set, which move independently to average the grade. Your set up has the elevation control a bit too close, and longer rear links would adjust the reaction rate. and going to a set of tandem wheels on the rear links would help average out the highs and lows.
@Tractor Time with TIm That is a slick setup. That has to be soo much better than two people with a stick running around trying to get it level. Would you say that's about plus/minus an inch?
Glad you enjoyed.
P.S. Going to see if I can get my local rental place to get one.
Clever as all get out.
Congratulations on your 30th Anniversary! "Unless the LORD builds the house, the laborers labor in vain". May you have many more.
With the addition of a 3 pt adaptor, Perhaps another thing to think of is a pivoting 2 point connection to the tractor, instead of the drawbar. It would be a bit more combersome to attach, but it may have some advantages too. One being able to adjust the height to manipulate the angle of the cutting edge for the box blade. This of course would affect the retention of material in the box itself. ( engineering solutions apply ) Also it may transfer a bit more weight to the tractor for additional traction.
Yea, that might be good. The only issue would be the straight lift assist wheels. Would need crazy wheels...which I do not typically like.
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Perhaps I didn't explain well. Pivoting 2 point like on the front of a semi mount plow( or some larger hay conditioners. ) The only differenc is you could maintain a pure trailing setup, ( not linked to athe rear wheels, like the plow ) with no need for caster wheels in the rear.
However, If you did the full mount version, it would need the casters.
Todd
@@kaytod yea, got it. The advantage would be a bit of down pressure on the tires. There is a small dirt pan company that uses the swivel 2 point mount approach like you describe…I think for the downforce/traction reason.
I'm familiar with that company, located in Kansas. I hope you may get a chance to review some of their products as well. Having run pans before, it is far easier to carry dirt in a pan rather than drag it in a box blade. If it's the same company I'm thinking of, they make a pull type box blade with rear compacting roller. It might be handy when doing larger fill and driveway work. I was going to make that sugggestion regarding the company, but I don't know if it's proper to mention their names in this forum. I don't have any affilliation with anyone, so there's no skin in the game for me. all the best to you Tim and your whole familly.
GOD bless
Todd
I need a warm introduction…I’ve tried cold calls…no luck.
Congratulations on your 30th Anniversary! Ours is 7/10 but I doubt I'll be doing any videos that day. Too stinking hot in TX to anywhere other than in front of the computer with the A/C cranked.
I think a three point hitch mount might adversely affect the side to side tilt.
Yes. It would. Good point!
For that kind of money it should be able to a driveway, it would be a matter of having a measuring wheel on the side and the ability to start at one grade and then taper it down or up to another....something for the company to think about. I enjoyed the video, I never would have thought something like thiswould be available for Johnny!
Dual slope laser head, the box blade will follow the laser. So you can set a slope for each driveway section.
You know Tim, you were speaking of a 3 point bb. How about considering this. Getting a quick hitch and putting the heavy hitch 3 point hitch on. The one without the suitcase weight bracket. Put a receiver hitch in without a ball in it and do it that way with the pull behind. Just my thoughts.
with the hydraulic valves, the lift or Up needs to be the faster action, the drop or down needs to be as slow as possible but both need to be very slow compared to what you would use manualy, that way you don't over shoot the "on grade" and dig a hole, this will also allow you to dump quicker if it starts to overload the tractor, the key is to not loose all the load just lift enough so that the tractor can pull through the high spot and then come back and take another bite at the high you lifted over.
Likely they should have found the high spot and set their sensors 1 inch lower than that then started incrementally lowering it. Or reduced the weights on the box so it would float more when it got to a heavy cut. Another option would be for the cutting box to be a box so it would only hold so much then the contained material would cause it to float.
If you lower rops, and raise laser senders and recievers with a tall tripod, 360 degree view. And if you start high, and lower in small increments, no need for the loader. I have a single stalk 8' box that would be too big for that building. The tall stalks are worth it.
Put a pile at each end and just work in a circle grabbing some each time
That is interesting, I have neem thinking about getting a pull type box for a mid size tractor, I scrape my drive way every couple months, the driveway and around the shop is around 1800ft plus another 500 outside the gate. Using a basic pull box its really hard to maintain level in places
Yep. Call the folks at c5mfg.com. Tell ‘‘em I sent you. They will fix you up.
Cool video! Always makes me nervous to see a loader close to walls. It doesn't take much to put that cutting edge through some wood. And I may or may not be talking from experience.
Yep. Me too. Ran through my shelterlogic wall.
Just looking at it I think it should have 3 post mounts and 3 cylinder mounts. A center post mount for a single lift kit. So no tilt function. Then add a second kit / cylinder could be added and the cylinders moved to the outer mounts for tilt leveling.
A laser can do +- 1/4" or better. Best by eye is a few inches. Big difference with a concrete pour. An inch extra on a slab is big money for making sure you have minimum thickness.
Another great episode Happy Anniversary Tim you better get her a milkshake to go with that cheeseburger letting you play with tractors on your anniversary
love the set up. Just a little more hp would make a huge difference. Might have to add a set of scarfires for hard spots.
Yea, or maybe a bit less weight woulda allowed it to pull a bit easier
I can see examples of where this would shine. I still like my "regular" box blade and it's cheaper 😁
Great video! Its great to see equipment like this out there. Justifying the cost is something else. I'm curious if it would have worked more in your favor if you had adjusted the receivers to take approx 1/2" at a time at the beginning. Locate the highest point of the pad and adjust them to take 1/2" off. It would start to loosen the material and level that area and then adjust the receivers to take another 1/2" and so on. Depending on how far the floor was off, the receivers may have been trying to take a few inches (or more) of material right off the batt. overwhelming the box and tractor. By allowing the box blade to shave off a little at a time until you got to the designated height, may have been easier. Plus it helps having the other machinery there to assist.
Probably removing a couple of weights would probably have been better. 1/2” at a time would just distribute the highest spots to spots which were STILL too high.
@@TractorTimewithTim I Absolutely agree that it would still be high! But working the material in small increments into the low areas would be easier on the machine verses biting to much off at one time. Seeing that the material is packed its hard on the tractor and scraper. Large scrapers on industrial sites do the same. Scrape from a high spot and drop at the low spot. Take a little at a time until you get to your designated height. Still a great video on todays technology
Consider setting grade (laser) 2-6” higher than final grade for the first few passes on hard compacted surfaces, then slowly bring the grade down as needed. That way you are just skimming incremental amounts that are easily handled.
I’m just wondering why you used the backhoe when you had a bucket on the front??
We did not use the ‘backhoe’ we used the bucket on the front of the backhoe tractor.
Little Johnny was busy. More efficient to use the second tractor….and it could push more.
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I like the joint video with Dig Drive DIY……no Johnny X??