It really depends on what external influences you have. I, early on, was gratefully had less exposure from all the distractions in the world. I also found a book to learn about myself by understanding who I am and who were my parents. Those ideas allowed me to look inside. Some people meditate and I hope you have a chance to learn who you are.
Trust me, you don't need to go overboard but... try LSD at least once in your life in a safe environment by yourself and in the middle of it, just sit there, think about your life, think about your dreams, how you will get there, think about your friends, your family. It can open your mind up a lot, even if the experience can be unpleasant if you don't accept it. For instance, my friend worried the entire time because he thought the government was going to kill him. I told myself constantly before I took it that no matter what I saw, it wasn't real and that I was on a drug, that gave me space to think and introspect beyond the original framework of what I could originally do (as in based on experience, not potential).
The only way I can decide what to eat is to imagine myself eating the hotdog and imagine eating a hamburger (based on memories) and choosing the one that fits my feelings right now. If I can’t get a food that fits my feelings I am reluctant to eat. Thankfully that only happens sometimes.
It blew my mind when I discovered the my family doesn't think the same way as me. My dad and sister are both inner monologue, My mom is visual, but can only imagine 2D. If I'm thinking about food, I think "Oh I want (insert food)" as monologue, I can recall the taste, and an image of it. I'm a woodworker, and if I'm thinking about a construction method for a table, I can render it in my head in 3D, zoom in, morph shapes, separate components, and do basically anything a 3d modeling software can. Apparently this isn't too common
Wait, I didn’t know until literally today about the sensual component that some people have with memory and thoughts. I- my mind is blown lmao!! That actually makes so much more sense now about how some people are kinesthetic learners or sensor personalities on the MBTI test..wow. I didn’t realize it was possible to smell, taste, and contemplatively experience actions. I mean I can visualize actions and experiences, but I don’t really sense smells, tastes, etc. until I’m already eating or doing whatever the thing is. My thoughts are mostly audio and visual (so inner speaking, inner seeing, and maybe even moreso feelings - there are often times where I don’t remember a situation exactly word for word or small details like the name of the building/city if it’s a new environment but I will deeply remember how I felt in those moments and my memories become connected to those feelings in a way) and rarely ever tactile/sensory.
@Writer Okey but just out of curiosity, how do you think about other persons? Like do you recognise faces and/or do you always remember their names? I don't know if you get what i mean because I'm basically just freestyling my thoughts right now and writing them down so this comment could be a lil messy (sorry). Basically what I'm trying to ask is, are you good at recognising/remembering people's faces + their name and can people who don't have an inner monologue remember faces better or worse? You probably can't answer the last question but I'd like to know what you think about this you know?
@@nbnjojo i have very good facial recognition, and am decent at remembering names, I just have to focus on doing so. The odd thing is the more often i "render" a face in my head the fuzzier it gets until I see that person again. But I tend to think of a name first in conversation, then their face pops up in my head
I experience all of these at the same time. It's like having a vivid experience of reality in my head. So I just eat the hamburger and the hotdogs in my head and taste and smell and feel and see them while feeling the emotional experience tied to each while having an inner narrator. Like a daydream right?
Nice Muffin tho mmmhhhh... 😍😂 For real though, it's like going through "the depths of your mind", what we're building through time is ourselves, so our trains of thoughts go through certain "paths" (or railroads to make the train analogy better) that make up a net, which, in the end, is our associative net-work where our experiences, thoughts, feelings, beliefs and all that make us up are stored.
I can't even conceptualize the no symbol thinking, as I experience all of the other ways, speaking, visual, taste, emotion, all of it. I can't wrap my head around how you think of a hot dog without the word, the sight, the smell, the taste or an emotion.... how???
I think we are kind of similar in thinking. I make decisions by visualizing the possible outcomes and then choose by what appeals to me. I am seeing, tasting, smelling, hearing, feeling and connecting emotions to the outcomes. It is always weird to see people who are thinking completely different than you ;)
@@ivorystinkershack3422 there's no point at which all of those shut down for me, I might not have an active monologue, but visual will be active, or taste, etc. One of those things needs to be triggered for me to think about a hot dog for example, so I just can't conceptualize a mechanism with zero symbolism to make you think of something. Even just visualising the word hotdog is symbolism, and I can get that, the lady in the other video with no inner monologue had visualizations to substitute, and I can conceptualize that, but not having _anything_ .... well, I just can't wrap my head around it.
I just discovered your channel yesterday, and am already hooked! I find the thought processes in our brains so interesting, and would love to see more content from you. I love how you are not just talking about general parts of the brain like so many videos do. You are actually talking to real people about what is inside their head, and how it is different from other people. I hope you make 1,000 more videos!
Ryan, as one who searching by his own this topics for a long while, I have to say you are in the right way to find your real questions in this "field". I'm pretty happy and excited to see more personalities like you to go forward and find the real meanings of life. I hope to get more information sources from you and keep doing your best!
It's amazing that you are doing and sharing some follow-up research! Very exciting to see how everyone is engaging in the comments of these videos. Keep up the great work 🙌
I have a diagnosis of bipolar disorder. Ever since I was diagnosed, my internal dialogue/monologue started to get very loud and intense compared to how it used to be. Sometimes it quietens down but sometimes it won't shut up and it is exhausting speaking so much in my mind. Currently my mind is fairly quiet, yesterday it was medium level. If I am mentally unwell then it is very loud! I have debates in my head, where I speak out my opinions and views, imagine a response, and reply to the response. Sometimes people have said to me, 'It's normal to talk inside your head, most people do it.' but it's difficult for me to explain how I'm certain that my thinking style is unusual, since it has changed so much from how it used to be. Having said that, before my diagnosis I didn't have an understanding of how other's thinking styles could be very different from my own, and now I have a better grasp of how different everyone's minds are.
The only time I have an internal monologue is when I am going to write something or give a speech. Even then it's just a second or so prior. All the rest of the time its pure thought and symbology. What is the point in talking to yourself in your head if you are or have already processed a concept through to conclusion? You're just repeating yourself, like saying OK, OK. If I wanted a hot dog or hamburger, the conclusion pops up almost instantaneously, I don't need to tell myself in words what my decision was, I already know it.
@@lauraspecht7586 Well, don't know about you, but I've got a Masters in engineering from UWA and own a consultancy with 7 employees. And I became a millionaire in my 30s.
I'm the fifth : thinking doesn't really manifest itself in anyway in my brain. Maybe something vague and abstract I call concept. So like if I think about Christmas I will think about a concept : being with family, happiness, that sort of thing and my thought is the summary of this but it's not a word or image or anything. It's like thinking of a feeling without really experiencing it.
I definitely can identify with what your saying, my way of thought has always perplexed me a little, interacting with others with internal monologues and visual possessing has always fascinated me, best way I could define the way I think most of the time would be simply abstract possessing, which ever connection's my mind will make to a specific line of thought I will prosses those connections and come up with a conclusion if I have one, the process is not manual
I'm having troubles with my way to think things, I feel like I'm the same type of thinker as you but I sort of push my brain to visual think cuz I was learning other language (English) and someone said to me that is easier to learn imagining things, but now I do it even in my native language and it slow how I process stuffs in my head and sometimes it create some kind of loop, with images in my head, I don't know if there's anyone reading it who could help me to fix it, but if you do can, pls help
This was my primary mode in childhood. I would also read fluently without redundantly manifesting the words in any form (though I would voluntarily examine the sound of some turn of phrase or visualize a word to think more about the connotation or feeling evoked by its shape, or whatever). I noticed from the teens a disturbing increase in the difficulty of not subvocalizing while reading. This stayed pretty much the same rather than growing into something worse as it seemed it might -- I can still speed-read, usually, but I'm nearly overwhelmed by a sort of anxiety of failing to have actually fully understood. Feels like I can't be sure I didn't skip something. Similarly, unsymbolized thought still occurs but is highly volatile and almost always must collapse to a visualization or articulation or a sensory or emotional or whatever other experiential emulation. I can still complete significant sequences of unsymbolized thought -- I always tended toward the term 'concept' and derivatives too -- especially in the area of developing a plan of tangible action, or thinking about the cause of some event, whether that's tracing the root cause of a technical problem or piecing together an interpersonal one, or about likely outcomes of actions, or... Well, I'm not entirely sure I know the whole list, but anyway, if I somehow avoid going meta at all I can stay in that mode, but the first hint of metacognition, and especially if I start thinking about how I'm thinking without imagining anything tangible, and it's very hard not to start solidifying things into word or images even by accident. I'm glad this has gotten some attention in research -- always wondered, knew I couldn't be all that unique, but was confronted with this immortal false dichotomy of thinking in words vs. thinking in pictures. More of trying to describe this in another comment in case it helps anyone pin down some fuzzy piece czcams.com/video/8DeXtNQlASQ/video.html&lc=UgxqRb8jGitfI-PsrzZ4AaABAg.9bHWv3nWpTP9ksP7KpAED6
I'm v visual and cannot comprehend the 5th. To me it sounds v much like emotions or unconscious thought but I can tell they're describing something different (heard them describe it in multiple longer vids and still can't get it lol)
I had an issue with constant internal monologue and it leading to depression and anxiety issues. I found meditation and some mindfulness techniques helped a lot in becoming more aware of when these thoughts arise and not latching onto them. It didn't really stop the thoughts but I was more immediately aware of them and would be able to realise they were not how I truly felt about a situation. I do not associate who I am with my thoughts anymore. My mind feels like a separate entity. Sometimes my mind has thoughts that trigger emotions and it takes some conscious effort to acknowledge this and not allow the emotion to trigger more thoughts. I feel a lot more at peace and in control of my life. A saying I have come up with - The heart beats, the lungs breathe and the mind thinks. Guess that's not exactly correct for all people.
Does anyone else remember when they were really little, before they could talk or when they only knew a few words? I have a few memories of that time, it seems many people don't remember that far back.
It's so weird that I've found this now. I've been doing a lot of thinking since lockdown and just a few days ago I realized my internal monologue is completely superfluous. I don't need it to know what I'm thinking, but I also can't stop it.
I had an issue with constant internal monologue and it leading to depression and anxiety issues. I found meditation and some mindfulness techniques helped a lot in becoming more aware of when these thoughts arise and not latching onto them. It didn't really stop the thoughts but I was more immediately aware of them and would be able to realise they were not how I truly felt about a situation. I do not associate who I am with my thoughts anymore. My mind feels like a separate entity. Sometimes my mind has thoughts that trigger emotions and it takes some conscious effort to acknowledge this and not allow the emotion to trigger more thoughts. I feel a lot more at peace and in control of my life.
Me too. I will sometimes slow down and think in words. This happens when I’m trying to come up with specific wording. Then I also have what I call super thought. This is when my brain works faster than words. I can have an entire internal monologue, with tons of details, and it happens instantaneously. When this happens, I stop needing words to think. I’m not using images or any other sense. My thoughts just, are. I think this is why I can talk fast and respond quickly. I can come up a response without a single moment passing, because my thoughts are instantaneous and all encompassing.
I used to think almost exclusively with imagery and feelings when I was a toddler until about 7 years of age. Then it shifted and I started thinking with smell and taste and words and sounds. Then when I was about 13 or something I remember not being able to remember what cats even look like, the structure of their body's and faces, and patterns. I couldn't remember even what my own cats looked like until I looked at them. And then I couldn't remember if I had ever thought with pictures. I remember now, but yeah. I don't think with pictures now, after I remembered that I had used to it started coming back a little bit but only in very rare small snippets. I think thought is definitely a fluctuating thing.
Nature vs nurture. You can absolutely change it though, I had an issue with constant internal monologue and it leading to depression and anxiety issues. I found meditation and some mindfulness techniques helped a lot in becoming more aware of when these thoughts arise and not latching onto them. It didn't really stop the thoughts but I was more immediately aware of them and would be able to realise they were not how I truly felt about a situation. I do not associate who I am with my thoughts anymore. My mind feels like a separate entity. Sometimes my mind has thoughts that trigger emotions and it takes some conscious effort to acknowledge this and not allow the emotion to trigger more thoughts. I feel a lot more at peace and in control of my life.
Unsymbolized thinking over here, I was wondering if there was a name to it, what a weird one xD I also use the inner monologue for reading and writing. I have always used reflecting for "Unsymbolized thinking" and thinking for the inner monologue. Although I think I would split the Unsymbolized thinking in two as well, active(reflecting) and passive(before remembering and waiting for inspiration or intuition). Active is usually reactionary like if somebody asks me if I prefer hot dogs or burgers, I stop and reflect on it if it's not an obvious choice, while passive is more of a willing thing, I stop and wait for my unconscious, although it's a bad word, to elaborate a given topic and give me a result, like for instance if somebody writes to me 3+7+456+112 and I wanna process it, I look at it and wait for my brain to feed me each answer like I would when trying to recall a memory I wait for my brain to pick up the proper folder of informations similarly to having a computer open a folder or process a file/load a game.
That’s insane. So, do u have some feeling like “I can definitely do this” or “I definitely CANT do this myself”? Or u just “remembering” what I can and what u can’t do?
@@mtganalytic9796 For some things there is a feeling, like for whether I can touch the ceiling with a jump, or I can do an extra rep in the gym, but it's ultimately just a guess more or less reliable depending on how often I have to take that guess. For most mental tasks, if what I see is familiar, I can do it, for example if I see an expression and all the symbols are known to me, I know I can do it, just like you know you can use a cup to hold liquid without needing any feeling, thought or memory. Although I am sure you have tons of memories of filling cups, you just see a cup and it's second nature for you to work with it as something fillable without needing anything to pop within your consciousness. If there's something unfamiliar a feeling informs me on the course of action I need to take, like frustration can mean to change approach or become more involved, defeatism can mean I need to switch the framing of the problem to break it down into substeps, perhaps involving research. Generally speaking though I don't have a lot of awareness of what I can and can't do, I just find out as I do the thing in question. Sometimes I don't speak for a while and I wonder whether I am still articulate, but until I get a chance to speak and my subconscious proves to me it can still string words pretty well I have no awareness of whether I can do it, just a bit of anxiety or fear of not being able to do it. Why, how do you relate to can and can't dos?
NLP has done a lot of work in this area. The concept of consciously building rapport has to do with reading cues about the primary mode of internal perception and expression to communicate in a way that the other person can easily receive and understand.
@RyanLangdon_ This conversation should be titled "The 5 Different Ways People Interpret Data" Your interview describes the various known ways in which individuals experience, interact, view or manipulate sensory or internally generated data. Thinking however is broadly defined as "the process of using one's mind to consider or reason about something." I have studied this concept of thinking and have found the following: "5 Different Ways People Think or Make Decisions" 1. Physiological Thinking This form of thinking is purely drive driven. a. Examples 1. Hunger 2. Sleep 3. Sexual 4. Addictions 2. Emotional Thinking a. Reactive b. Time based 1. Feelings 2. Moods 3. Attitudes 3. Pattern Matching Thinking a. Back propagated learning b. Speed focused processing c. Social mimicry or mirroring d. Examples 1. Driving a car 2. Not wearing a mask until someone you know gets ill 3. Not believing something until "you see it" 4. Principled Thinking / Critical Thinking a. Detailed hierarchical or rule based decision tree b. Discipline based rules / body of knowledge c. Examples 1. Physicians 2. Engineers 3. Experimental physicists 5. First Principle Thinking a. Scientific method based b. Question / problem deconstruction c. Identification of base principles d. Application of base principles to desired solution e. Examples 1. Works from well known first principled thinkers a. Elon Musk b. Bill Gates c. Albert Einstein d. Steven Hawking The interesting point about these types of thinking processes is we as individuals need to slide up and down this thinking process list as we interface with others and attempt to communicate clearly or interface the two thinking processes. We also need to move along this continuum to effectively located the best method to solve individual problems or make decisions. It should be noted that we are all born with physiological drives and emotions. These processes are hard wired from birth. Pattern matching thinking is taught from earliest age with language introduction and completes with high school education. Principled thinking is introduced via the sciences in high school, but are not formally taught until the undergraduate level. Lastly, first principled thinking is rarely taught as anything more than a discipline specific process. It is not taught as a means for every day thinking and although extremely effective is slower than the other types of thinking and is susceptible to the "unknown unknowns" weakness. In my experience the most productive process is to be able to effective traverse all methods of thinking and utilize the problem or decision making process that best suits the social setting and or problem requirements. Shawn Leveridge CRNA
I think by playing out scenarios in my head, like little movies in my brain that I watch over and over to see what changes and outcomes can occur. Hamburger or hot dog? Play a movie of myself eating both and see which one mentally 'tastes' better.
I haven’t watched the whole video, but I usually have two voices. One with reason and one just speaking randomly. Like if I wanted to eat something one voice would be like ooh I want to have a sandwich! Then the other would argue with that, and it makes me super indecisive, but also it seems to help In weird ways.
This corresponds well to the idea of a thought; an abstraction representation of the real world recreated by the network of the physical human brain(like a computer running a program when the program is called). The thought is a pattern of experiences localized in a physical location(dendrites) activated by the associative centers and maybe other areas. With this in mind, all thought doesn't necessarily have to originate in the cerebral cortex
I should've added (below) that my everyday thinking is an internal monologue, what Buddhists call "monkey mind." In my teens and 20s, though learning about Zen made me realize I was thinking compulsively, all the time, I couldn't have stopped it if my life had depended on it. Gradually this ceaseless chatter subsided, in "loudness," and to some extent in frequency. In my early 70s the change became more pronounced. Now if I wish (usually, anyway), I can sit quietly without thinking, or with the volume so low that the thinking is easy to ignore, and just feel myself. By comparison to earlier years, it is blissful.
I think this just happens naturally with age, if you want it to. I’m 60 and I’ve learned to sit quietly without thinking. No Zen but I have tried meditation a few times.
Correct, 90 percent of the time I think in images. The images are rarely followed by any other sense. But if there is a sense, it is usually sound, but hardly ever words. I have absolutely no clue on what it’s like to continuously have the voice in my head running. Even to continuously think in images. Or to continuously think at all. Most of my day, if I have no school work to do or nothing to watch or read, is a meditative experience.
I have an inner monologue but no visuals.. I've seen some people say they have none of the senses when they think which made me wonder how do they think.. so that's why I'm here but I still don't understand how they think without any of the senses, like what are their thoughts like without audio/visual/taste etc.
My thoughts right now on this topic: There are four ways of thinking - sensory, emotional, conceptual, and experience. The first 3 in the video would all fall under sensory (hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting). It makes sense we would use our senses considering that is how we observe and analyze our world. Emotional is self-explanatory. Conceptual would be the 5th way explained in the video (unsymbolized). And last - experience - where our thoughts connect an observation with a memory (an experience). This is where we connect patterns, learn from mistakes, and even develop fallacies. We all experience all these forms of thinking (some sensory, some emotion, some concepts, some experiences), which leads to understandings/misunderstandings and facts/opinions of the topics at hand. However, not all of us will use all sensory methods; some people do not have an inner monologue for example. And sometimes, we are drawn to one way of thinking more than another, which can change throughout our lives. ...just a thought. :)
This makes me wonder how the way we think as described here relates to how we learn new things, or how we process different inputs differently. Does everyone see the words they hear? For example, I hear everything I read or write, but I am a visual learner. I need to see words to be able to remember them, but then they will really stick in my mind, whereas new words are incomprehensible to me if I don't know how to spell them in my head. Also, if someone says a number it often takes more time until the image loads, but otherwise I retain no information.
I’m the same. I’m really good at foreign languages but have to see the written word. I’m horrible at remembering numbers if I don’t consciously use a memory crutch.
My thinking is usually a combination of images and words; the images seem to be part of a creative step, e.g. posing the problem, or some new insight about how to pose it or repose it; the words are more in the phase of solving, e.g. clarifying, trying out different pathways toward the solution, discarding dead ends, etc. But when I was in my late teens or early 20s--at my smartest (so I believe; I'm 78 now)--I had this experience--only once that I can recall: I was trying to solve some very difficult intellectual problem, very abstract; I don't recall what, though I now associate this experience with Einstein (I picture his face). So it may have been something about physics (my dad was a physicist), or math, or philosophy, or (most likely) what would today be called cognitive psychology: trying to understand the way my own mind works, including attention and memory. (Come to think, I may've been reading Wm.James's "Principles of Pschology" around that time.) I suddenly became aware that I was thinking with the fine muscles of my abdomen--or so it seemed; maybe this was the surface effect of a deeper process. Anyway as I was thinking about this problem I could feel those muscles making very fine, very rapid movements, almost like ripples. At the time these almost-undetectable movements reminded me of using an abacus, or watching the changing lights on a computer as it computes.
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I do all of these and although have never been tested formally am pretty sure I'm synesthetic. I wonder if there's a correlation? It feels like they're connected, at least in experience
Mine is very heavy in visualization and internal monologue then when I go deeper into a thought emotion/senses are involved such as, I imagine the beach and I feel the warmth of the sun and see the sharpness of light but the internal monologue turns to ocean waves
I have a very similar experience, and I can taste and smell memories. I can cause myself to get goosebumps by thinking of a cold memory, or something that scared me or remembering goosebumps, as an example. I can't even imagine being deprived of any of these internal processes or what that experience would be like, but I guess if you just grew up that way, you wouldn't know any different!
yeah I overlap with everything except the picture thing. I dream in images, and I don't actually hear I don't think in dreams oddly enough, but when I'm awake I do, and I also can think with touch, emotions, smell, and taste, as well as mostly as I said before hearing or word thoughts. It's not always exactly hearing, it's more I recognize that I'm thinking a word, sometimes I hear sometimes I don't. Like just as I was typing just now. I wasn't hearing what I was going to say for some of it, but then I started again, I already had the basic outline of what I was going to type. So mostly words not necessarily hearing the words, but I do still sometimes. I've also been training my visual thinking skills, but It's not really helping, sometimes I'll see an image in my mind for a split second like a tiger as an example but it goes away, I have no control over what I see, and it happens rarely not even when I'm trying to train it either. I also used to think a lot more visually, but I don't quite remember when it went away, maybe when I was 12? I remember forgetting what cats looked like and I felt concerned. After I remembered that I used to think visually and that was even a thing is when visual imagery and thinking started to seep back a bit. So I guess I just forgot how to think visually? idk.
This is really interesting. I feel like I've fallen down a 2am youtube rabbit hole again but I thought everyone was similar to me. As with the hot dog vs hamburger thing, I can do everything he has mentioned overlapped. I have an internal monologue, I can visually picture items in my head, I can imagine taste in my head, I can imagine smell in my head, I can imagine the feel in my head, and I can feel the feelings of them in my head if that makes sense. I believed everyone had these capabilities
I take it that there are combinations of the five types because as he was describing the five, I could say I do the first 4 simultaneously. I f I think about having a hamburger or a hotdog I have a film of the future running in my head where I visualise those choices and the narration of my feelings which I’m using to evaluate the choice is spoken over the images. It’s cinematic.
I think the way we think comes from how we live. How does the thoughts of people differ? Think of: -someone who spends his life on the chalkboard writing math equations, -an architect who uses plain geometry -a painter who wants to give "life" to the pictures he makes -an animator who makes moving pictures -someone who watches lots of Disney movies -someone who watches lots of real life movies (think of fans of certain genres, horror vs romance) -someone who enslaves his mind to hardcore psy beats -someone who is the CEO of a company, a leading position of power and wealth -a social worker or psychologist -a doctor -someone to prays to God 5 times a day, fasts and spends his day in piety and recitation of the Qur'An The way we live shapes the way we think. And, listen well, the way we spend our lives may also shape the form of our thoughts. We all have an associative network of pure experiences through our senses through which we conceived of meaning, thoughts, feelings etc. If you take one sense away, you still have a network of all the other things. That's how blind people think, or deaf people think, too, just like us: in the form of our life.
We need to figure this out. How people think can really impact what they can and can't do very well or how they need to learn things to understand better. This would fix so many issues. We have some kind of test that we take once a year to see how we are thinking and to make sure we're doing things to help us better understand the world around us. I feel like I'm smoking pot just thinking about how people think, lol.
That last one might have some people unsure of what the psychologist meant. I believe he just meant the direct access of 'meaning'. The other ways of thinking 'ping' some symbol, e.g. color, word, image, etc., which then pings the associated meaning--so there are two mind-objects being activated. But it seems that you can skip the symbols and just directly access the 'meaning' or semantic info..... I guess....
I'm not a psychologist, but I don't think babies have internal monologues. It is something we all had to learn once we started learning a language. Some babies are naturally drawn to language and are so talkative, but other babies are not as quick and it takes great effort for them to formulate sentences. A baby might want a ball from across the room, and he knows that he wants it, but he doesn't know how to communicate it to his parents. He had to learn the right way to say "I want the red ball." I know for me, I can have an internal monologue in my head but only if I force myself to do it. Thinking in sentences is not my natural first choice, and honestly to formulate sentences in my head is kind of a chore for me. Like a bolt of lightning, often times I can think and understand my thoughts faster than it would take me to translate or formulate it into sentences. Most times, I only bother formulating it into sentences in my head when I know I need to give of speech or explain it to someone else later on. Even as I'm writing right now, I have to say it out loud to make sure it translates my thought accurately... but again, I knew exactly what I was thinking before all of this, and the thoughts came to me really fast.. it just takes a lot of extra work mentally to put it into a monologue.
I think in sentences all the time. I imagine the sentences are fluent and rapidly flowing in my head. I say "imagine", because when I try to speak them, they come out kind of broken. I do not speak nearly as fluently as I think. When I try to write down my thoughts, I don't exact write out the sentences in my head either. Different words and new ideas come out as I write. They seem to appear out of nowhere. I cannot write as fast as I formulate the sentences in my head. Some thoughts are gone before I can write them down. Maybe it's the unsymbolized thinking that the professor briefly mentioned. I would like to understand more about the unsymbolized thinking.
Yes, it's certain that this whole internal monologue thing is not something anyone would do naturally, it requires a language and it requires somehow entangling thoughts and language together. Scary to think that, should thought become entangled with language, you would be forced to slow your reading (and maybe even thinking) speed, and potentially even have language severely limit the way you can think about things.
So unsymbolized thinking of having a hamburger or a hotdog could be explanied like this: You are feeling hunger and your brain holistically remembers the size of any food you have eaten before so your brain are drawn to the size of satisfaction in order to make you full. So you are not thinking about a hamburger but you are thinking about eating something to be corresponding that it has the size of a hamburger but you don't visualise a hamburger or its taste or anything just the thought of you need to be eating something and you maybe feel what size food it should be but not what kind of food it is. I believe I think using all of these 5 ways but probably weakest is sensory or taste because i can't really smell or taste my thougths but I can kind of remember what it tasted like without experiencing inner taste or smell. I can re watch a movie in my head and have visuals and hear the monolouges from the movie and the actors voices like if I close my eyes I am standing inside the movie and I can interact with the set and speak with the characters in the movie and change the movie if I want and try different endings or saving people that died or whatever. I can imagine some sensory sensations but pain is not something I feel but more that I can understand pain if I lose an arm in a daydream or stand blocking an explosion like a superhero I can't feel any pain only the concept that it could hurt and maybe feeling anxiety being up high or falling from a plane. I am an introvert INFP so my inner monolouge speed far exceeds my real ability to outwardly speak so I get anxious of talking because what I want to say is more complex than what I have the ability to transfer out through my mouth so I prefer writing what I want to say instead.
i feel like i think A LOT in the last mode, and its devastating for my memory (in the sense of active recall, for example during a quiz, but also re-experiencing past events, they are bland) tbh. i think so fast about stuff because its not visualised, articulated, emotional or anything in any way. it sometimes rushes past me but i have seen a glimpse of it. anyone get me?
How bizarre that some people just don't even have internal monologues. I feel like that's really the main way that I think. Like it's possible to think about things that I don't have words to describe, but I'm still generally running the monologue 24/7 anyways. Although I feel like I generally don't have that emotional component he was talking about. I'm a little confused by that one. Like I guess I could think about how a particular thing would make me feel, but more just by vaguely classifying things as fun, frustrating, depressing, etc and not actually feeling the emotions as I think about stuff. The emotions would only come up in the moment when the actual emotion-inducing thing is happening. I don't just feel emotions in my head as I'm thinking about stuff though. Also what's with the woman on the side taking up half the screen but not saying anything? It's clearly from a longer call so I'm sure she had something to say at some point, but idk who she even is bc she never said anything. She's cute tho
I'm not familiar with any of the ways of thinking describe. For me, it is like I most of the time (mindless thinking) has a little bit of all of them, and then depending on tasks, I go into a specific mode that only gives me access to one of them. Inner speaking is the one I have the least access to, but still some.
(my reaction to the last video, thought you, the reader, can maybe profit from it:) I used to depend on my inner monologue aswell when I was younger. Now, when following a train of thoughts, I may find myself going through a plethora of images, feelings, and representations of ideas, ideals, a certain order of things, which is basically my associative network of things, words, meanings and experience, basically all that makes up myself and my experiences. Of course I can create a monologue that I can make similar to myself, or create monologues or dialogues that are different from myself, like "acting as if I have multiple personalities" and stuff if wanted, since it's within the capacity of my mind that we all have, I mean, most of us can imagine [elephants] [a couple arguing] or [a supernovae turning into a black hole that sucks up all the bread until only gluten free roses exist in the garden of the old woman who likes to look out of the window to supervise the kids playing in the basketball field] when I tell you to imagine it like I did it right now, though it's not what I will be doing. Maybe watching less movies will clear your mind enough to be less reactionary, I, as a muslim pray 5 times a day. It probably could habe some kind of meditative effect on my mind, but it's only a big deal if your astonishment is letting your inner reactionary voice react in a way that paraphrases the feeling of astonishment into words that reflect your reaction. But the voice is not essential. You don't need it to make sense of everything that is happening, for it is just a reflection of what you feel, with it or without it. From the point of view of my Religion, the Devil, Shaytaan, uses this monologue against us when we are not focusing on it, he may whisper thoughts into our ears and hearts that are not ours, that bring forth the worst in us. The way we Muslims protect ourselves is by reciting "Sura an Nas" and "Ayatul Kursi". A quick CZcams search will bring you to the recitations (often with subtitles) and you can listen to them to help yourself and to make up your heart. Assalamu Alaikum and Ramadan Mubarak!
Is it weird that i do multiple? If im thinking of a hotdog and hamburger i can hear myself debating which one i'd prefer for whatever reason, i can see them and also taste certain attributes. Even so much so that i get cravings for things you naturally would if you actually ate that tging, for example is i get thirsty if i think of salty foods like popcorn or pretzels.
I would say yes, because I think visually and imagine the object, for example the hotdog or hamburger, but also have a very prominent internal dialog. The internal dialog seems to play a bigger part but I still visualize things as well. Just my personal experience.
I mainly think in unsymbolized thought, but I can access inner speech and some visual thinking when necessary. Thus, there is considerable overlap, but neither inner monolog nor visual thinking are my strongest modes of thinking.
Yes. I have an inner monologue but I also think with pictures and feelings. Also my inner monologue doesn't have to be on the same subject as the "pictures" and feelings. Like I can be "talking" about work in my head while "seeing" a meme about a cat I saw on the internet earlier. Usually what I feel is related to one of those things though.
Reading the comments, I realize I'm not alone. I've always been dfrnt in ways the world cant understand. I think in all 5 ways, but nvr all at once. I havent thought abt that yet. I'll have to try that out. Thank you. Maybe WE are the proof that this world is a giant virtual reality of some sort & WE are the players, the real gods of this world.
Amazing video. I've experimented with all these different types of thinking and I think in general, inner monologue seems to be the most precise way of thinking. Mind you I grew up not ever using an internal monologue but kind of discovered it in my early 20s.
I first see a picture of the two. Then I analyze the nutritional value of the two, then think about the effects each one will have on my body, then think about which will be most satisfying, and at the same time remember that most hot dogs contain sodium nitrate and the meat is essentially junk meat and may have some ground up rats and roaches in them recalling a meat processing testimony from years ago. At the same I am still picturing both of them. The higher cost of the burger would be last in order of importance in weighing my decision as I choose to prioritize my health. Finally I critically lament the fast food industry and many Americans ignorance of how deleterious a regular diet of fast food is to their health and microbiome, while I simultaneously ponder and seek to understand the reasons they choose to eat processed foods. Does anyone else run through a whole gamut like this in their minds in a matter of seconds of deliberation?
Its neat when making a decision how our brains weigh each variable involved. Some of us feel taste is more important than the cost of the meal. Some feel that the word "meal" is weird, and I definitely do. Why do we use that word? Can we get rid of it? Where am i?
What about people that can shut off their internal dialogue at will? People when in social situations that can automatically start an internal dialogue to adapt to conversation moving at a faster pace than when not in conversation at all? People that when alone and want to take in the world at large with all the senses inputing to the brain just the sensations and no dialogue, basically at a state of ready, but completely calm, like a reflection of the tranquil setting that is occuring around their body at that moment...With no inner monologue to cloud in the experience of peace...Is this a common occurence in the minds of humans in general?
"hot dog or hamburger?" Me: I actively see the image of each item & have to recall the physical taste/texture/satisfaction of what each one is to me in order to decide, but it also depends on the situation... If I'm at a party/social gathering & the food's provided, it might be easier to decide which one I'm "in the mood for"* If I'm purchasing the food myself, or already have the ingredients to cook but am trying to choose which one, I might decide based on a tipping scale of "how much does it cost, how filling is the portion, and LASTLY, how satisfying will it be in my taste buds?" *In the mood: I, personally, rarely get physical food cravings, so if I'm trying to decide what I want to eat, hot dog or hamburger, I'll usually try to recall the memory of what that item tastes like, the flavors, and make a decision based on which I'd prefer more... Although, it often comes down to an equal desire for both items, so I'll just "flip a coin" and go with that... Also, when I am reading, I read with a combination of 3: I See the words in front of me first & I then physically Hear the words in my head without speaking aloud as I am reading, so finally, when I am really concentrating on and absorbed into reading, Seeing & Hearing what I am reading will turn into Viewing the image (like a movie). It all happens very simultaneously, but explaining it in that 1 2 3 order is the easiest way I can think (ha!) to explain it.
I think visually. like a movie or pictures along with shapes/graphs. so when I read a math problem, I see the answer as an image like a graph, pie chart. when I close my eyes, I visualize nothing. it's blank. it's only when my eyes are open can I visualize images. like overlaying. so I "see" the graph. when I am describing a tool or how to operate equipment, I "see" the object, equipment in front of me. watching videos/tv/movies with Captions on. hearing, and seeing the words, its awesome. in school, when I had to concentrate on a problem, I would cup my eyes and stair directly at it. If I didn't get it the first time, I would scour the other problems on the page to identify any correlation with the answer I did get correct. then break it down backwards and re-do it with the new info. like making a new cake with batter from another and new ingredients. once you realize most cakes are the same, other baked goods are easy to understand.
Wow, that is interesting. I experience all of these individually, a combination of a couple or all at once depending on how invested I am in the thought and whether there are outside distraction. I can do it on command as well without effort and I've been conscious of it since I was 4 years old. I have twin daughters and they are able to do it as well and I wonder if it was nature or nurture as I raised them as a single father during the formative years. We would have all sorts of strange conversations and would encourage their imagination to see, hear and even taste/smell what they were thinking. We are still very close today, and now they're adults, we still talk about thoughts/thinking, the process and how to positively affect our inner speech and how it affects our outward appearance and how other perceive us. I've only just found your channel but this topic is insanely complicated and intriguing at the same time. Binge watching your channel as I type!
Part of this is a language issue, right. In words thinking of whether to have a hot dog or a hamburger sounds like one thing, but it can match several different experiences. But each of the experiences could be mostly simple single things if you can identify it. Of course experiences can also be complex amalgamations of different parts so it's not necessarily simple. But there is no reason that simple words should necessarily map onto simple experiences and vice versa.
This is crazy! Why would you see the word hotdog in your head when your trying to figure out what you want to eat? I understand if your reading the menu but 🤯
Some of us have multiple things happening at once. I am a Fibromyalgia patient, recently learning that the major cause of my brain malfunctioning is that the Dopamine engines of the brain around the outer portion of the brains have attrophied so they are no longer producing as much dopamine as they should. They know the cause of the dopamine loss but not the cause of the attrophied portions of the brain.
While watching this video I've experienced, my inner voice talking, songs I've heard in the past (long ago), visualizing what I'm imagining about the people I see on the screen as well as, visualizing the classroom experience that the doctor spoke about at the beginning of the video (seeing the people in class telling him about each different thought process.) I've always been considered a strange person i guess because of the way I think about things, hearing seeing tasting or smelling and the odd process of imagining the shapes of sentences as described by someone without an internal monologue in another video of yours.
I used to think everyone experienced life the same way until I studied the philosophies of Hermits as well as the philosophies of the most recognized philosophers of the West and East. I also thought that other people can sense others emotional states, but that's a different story altogether.
I realize I’m a weirdo. I can do all of these and more. I can’t even give people subtitles and change the voice in my head and I can just not do any of those things.
COFFEE or CHAI TEA goes like this in about .8 seconds so i had to use something possible cuz im in need of groceys but i used next cup of coffee i have a hazy scene of my kitchen in specific approaching the pot and almost it categorized in a suspisousely dangerouse way that worrys me my substance abuse issues could have painted witch this off the tops of my head because the whole thing has like an approval wraiting as far as if i should or shoudl like ok i comparted it with cold tea also caffienated to use the metaphor again i saw the coolers but this was weard i shot to them like realized their direction and the hardship imediatly and ruled them out and actually their would have been some process of illimination but because the distance what so "fuck that" its was the coffe though since i added the option witch i should have started with the supper hazzy like 3-5 feet gap in darkness looking through maybe hald opened eyes i saw was all i saw however i did sence the direction and the acheivment prospect imediately and i cant dont wanna day it took longer to think of something further away but it was safely comiled in a test sorta way like i had to awknowledge the difficulty of acheivment in order to make the determination as the determination was based on reward based on dopamine and my brains very organized and compulsive way of determining intent...
If I thought about whether I wanted a hotdog or hamburger mind will go to "well, a hamburger is beef and on a bun... but doe this hamburger have on it? I don't like mustard. I don't want it if it has mustard. What about the hotdog? Oooh,, I like chilli on how dogs..I are chilli last night for dinner... maybe I'll have the hamburger. Wait, what was the choice again? I think I want pizza instead." I constantly overthink things and will have a hard time making a decision. It's my internal monologue telling me random things.
God, this is so simple: you can recall any type of information (visual, audio, taste, feeling, whatever) and make a decision. And it's your choice how much thought you give to a certain decision and what information you pull out from memory.
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Inner speaking
Inner seeing
Feelings
Sensory awareness
Unsymbolized thinking
I do them all😅
Why have i literally never thought about the way i think until now
You're not smoking enough weed
It really depends on what external influences you have. I, early on, was gratefully had less exposure from all the distractions in the world. I also found a book to learn about myself by understanding who I am and who were my parents. Those ideas allowed me to look inside. Some people meditate and I hope you have a chance to learn who you are.
You probably have as a kid. I know I did.
@@seabass9043 🤫 shhhhh, maybe they are 🤩
Trust me, you don't need to go overboard but... try LSD at least once in your life in a safe environment by yourself and in the middle of it, just sit there, think about your life, think about your dreams, how you will get there, think about your friends, your family. It can open your mind up a lot, even if the experience can be unpleasant if you don't accept it.
For instance, my friend worried the entire time because he thought the government was going to kill him. I told myself constantly before I took it that no matter what I saw, it wasn't real and that I was on a drug, that gave me space to think and introspect beyond the original framework of what I could originally do (as in based on experience, not potential).
I have internal monologues and visuals at the same time.
The only way I can decide what to eat is to imagine myself eating the hotdog and imagine eating a hamburger (based on memories) and choosing the one that fits my feelings right now. If I can’t get a food that fits my feelings I am reluctant to eat. Thankfully that only happens sometimes.
River Amazon lol that's ridiculous
I could do that but I do go by gut when I'm eating, though maybe that would be a great exercise to eat less!
I’m the same way
Does this mean you are reluctant to try new foods?
I don't have inner monologues but rather inner conversations with another imaginary character that I often can picture very clearly
It blew my mind when I discovered the my family doesn't think the same way as me. My dad and sister are both inner monologue, My mom is visual, but can only imagine 2D. If I'm thinking about food, I think "Oh I want (insert food)" as monologue, I can recall the taste, and an image of it. I'm a woodworker, and if I'm thinking about a construction method for a table, I can render it in my head in 3D, zoom in, morph shapes, separate components, and do basically anything a 3d modeling software can. Apparently this isn't too common
Wait, I didn’t know until literally today about the sensual component that some people have with memory and thoughts. I- my mind is blown lmao!! That actually makes so much more sense now about how some people are kinesthetic learners or sensor personalities on the MBTI test..wow.
I didn’t realize it was possible to smell, taste, and contemplatively experience actions. I mean I can visualize actions and experiences, but I don’t really sense smells, tastes, etc. until I’m already eating or doing whatever the thing is.
My thoughts are mostly audio and visual (so inner speaking, inner seeing, and maybe even moreso feelings - there are often times where I don’t remember a situation exactly word for word or small details like the name of the building/city if it’s a new environment but I will deeply remember how I felt in those moments and my memories become connected to those feelings in a way) and rarely ever tactile/sensory.
@Writer Okey but just out of curiosity, how do you think about other persons? Like do you recognise faces and/or do you always remember their names? I don't know if you get what i mean because I'm basically just freestyling my thoughts right now and writing them down so this comment could be a lil messy (sorry). Basically what I'm trying to ask is, are you good at recognising/remembering people's faces + their name and can people who don't have an inner monologue remember faces better or worse?
You probably can't answer the last question but I'd like to know what you think about this you know?
@@nbnjojo i have very good facial recognition, and am decent at remembering names, I just have to focus on doing so. The odd thing is the more often i "render" a face in my head the fuzzier it gets until I see that person again. But I tend to think of a name first in conversation, then their face pops up in my head
@@calebevans3690 ahh okey, i get it. Thank you👍
I think in words and pictures.
I experience all of these at the same time. It's like having a vivid experience of reality in my head. So I just eat the hamburger and the hotdogs in my head and taste and smell and feel and see them while feeling the emotional experience tied to each while having an inner narrator. Like a daydream right?
Nice Muffin tho mmmhhhh... 😍😂
For real though, it's like going through "the depths of your mind", what we're building through time is ourselves, so our trains of thoughts go through certain "paths" (or railroads to make the train analogy better) that make up a net, which, in the end, is our associative net-work where our experiences, thoughts, feelings, beliefs and all that make us up are stored.
I can't even conceptualize the no symbol thinking, as I experience all of the other ways, speaking, visual, taste, emotion, all of it. I can't wrap my head around how you think of a hot dog without the word, the sight, the smell, the taste or an emotion.... how???
@@rivertam7827 when you don't think about thinking, maybe that is when you think like that
I think we are kind of similar in thinking. I make decisions by visualizing the possible outcomes and then choose by what appeals to me. I am seeing, tasting, smelling, hearing, feeling and connecting emotions to the outcomes. It is always weird to see people who are thinking completely different than you ;)
@@ivorystinkershack3422 there's no point at which all of those shut down for me, I might not have an active monologue, but visual will be active, or taste, etc. One of those things needs to be triggered for me to think about a hot dog for example, so I just can't conceptualize a mechanism with zero symbolism to make you think of something. Even just visualising the word hotdog is symbolism, and I can get that, the lady in the other video with no inner monologue had visualizations to substitute, and I can conceptualize that, but not having _anything_ .... well, I just can't wrap my head around it.
I just discovered your channel yesterday, and am already hooked! I find the thought processes in our brains so interesting, and would love to see more content from you. I love how you are not just talking about general parts of the brain like so many videos do. You are actually talking to real people about what is inside their head, and how it is different from other people. I hope you make 1,000 more videos!
Ryan, as one who searching by his own this topics for a long while, I have to say you are in the right way to find your real questions in this "field". I'm pretty happy and excited to see more personalities like you to go forward and find the real meanings of life.
I hope to get more information sources from you and keep doing your best!
It's amazing that you are doing and sharing some follow-up research! Very exciting to see how everyone is engaging in the comments of these videos. Keep up the great work 🙌
These are great dude! Keep the content coming ✌️
I have a diagnosis of bipolar disorder. Ever since I was diagnosed, my internal dialogue/monologue started to get very loud and intense compared to how it used to be. Sometimes it quietens down but sometimes it won't shut up and it is exhausting speaking so much in my mind. Currently my mind is fairly quiet, yesterday it was medium level. If I am mentally unwell then it is very loud! I have debates in my head, where I speak out my opinions and views, imagine a response, and reply to the response. Sometimes people have said to me, 'It's normal to talk inside your head, most people do it.' but it's difficult for me to explain how I'm certain that my thinking style is unusual, since it has changed so much from how it used to be. Having said that, before my diagnosis I didn't have an understanding of how other's thinking styles could be very different from my own, and now I have a better grasp of how different everyone's minds are.
The only time I have an internal monologue is when I am going to write something or give a speech. Even then it's just a second or so prior. All the rest of the time its pure thought and symbology. What is the point in talking to yourself in your head if you are or have already processed a concept through to conclusion? You're just repeating yourself, like saying OK, OK. If I wanted a hot dog or hamburger, the conclusion pops up almost instantaneously, I don't need to tell myself in words what my decision was, I already know it.
I dance for pennies whattt
You just summarized what i wanted to say perfectly
@@lauraspecht7586 Well, don't know about you, but I've got a Masters in engineering from UWA and own a consultancy with 7 employees. And I became a millionaire in my 30s.
I dance for pennies ... cool?
I dance for pennies Girl no one asked
I'm the fifth : thinking doesn't really manifest itself in anyway in my brain. Maybe something vague and abstract I call concept. So like if I think about Christmas I will think about a concept : being with family, happiness, that sort of thing and my thought is the summary of this but it's not a word or image or anything. It's like thinking of a feeling without really experiencing it.
I frequently explain how I think as ~vibes~ lol
I definitely can identify with what your saying, my way of thought has always perplexed me a little, interacting with others with internal monologues and visual possessing has always fascinated me, best way I could define the way I think most of the time would be simply abstract possessing, which ever connection's my mind will make to a specific line of thought I will prosses those connections and come up with a conclusion if I have one, the process is not manual
I'm having troubles with my way to think things, I feel like I'm the same type of thinker as you but I sort of push my brain to visual think cuz I was learning other language (English) and someone said to me that is easier to learn imagining things, but now I do it even in my native language and it slow how I process stuffs in my head and sometimes it create some kind of loop, with images in my head, I don't know if there's anyone reading it who could help me to fix it, but if you do can, pls help
This was my primary mode in childhood. I would also read fluently without redundantly manifesting the words in any form (though I would voluntarily examine the sound of some turn of phrase or visualize a word to think more about the connotation or feeling evoked by its shape, or whatever). I noticed from the teens a disturbing increase in the difficulty of not subvocalizing while reading. This stayed pretty much the same rather than growing into something worse as it seemed it might -- I can still speed-read, usually, but I'm nearly overwhelmed by a sort of anxiety of failing to have actually fully understood. Feels like I can't be sure I didn't skip something. Similarly, unsymbolized thought still occurs but is highly volatile and almost always must collapse to a visualization or articulation or a sensory or emotional or whatever other experiential emulation. I can still complete significant sequences of unsymbolized thought -- I always tended toward the term 'concept' and derivatives too -- especially in the area of developing a plan of tangible action, or thinking about the cause of some event, whether that's tracing the root cause of a technical problem or piecing together an interpersonal one, or about likely outcomes of actions, or... Well, I'm not entirely sure I know the whole list, but anyway, if I somehow avoid going meta at all I can stay in that mode, but the first hint of metacognition, and especially if I start thinking about how I'm thinking without imagining anything tangible, and it's very hard not to start solidifying things into word or images even by accident.
I'm glad this has gotten some attention in research -- always wondered, knew I couldn't be all that unique, but was confronted with this immortal false dichotomy of thinking in words vs. thinking in pictures.
More of trying to describe this in another comment in case it helps anyone pin down some fuzzy piece czcams.com/video/8DeXtNQlASQ/video.html&lc=UgxqRb8jGitfI-PsrzZ4AaABAg.9bHWv3nWpTP9ksP7KpAED6
I'm v visual and cannot comprehend the 5th.
To me it sounds v much like emotions or unconscious thought but I can tell they're describing something different (heard them describe it in multiple longer vids and still can't get it lol)
I had an issue with constant internal monologue and it leading to depression and anxiety issues. I found meditation and some mindfulness techniques helped a lot in becoming more aware of when these thoughts arise and not latching onto them. It didn't really stop the thoughts but I was more immediately aware of them and would be able to realise they were not how I truly felt about a situation.
I do not associate who I am with my thoughts anymore. My mind feels like a separate entity. Sometimes my mind has thoughts that trigger emotions and it takes some conscious effort to acknowledge this and not allow the emotion to trigger more thoughts. I feel a lot more at peace and in control of my life.
A saying I have come up with - The heart beats, the lungs breathe and the mind thinks.
Guess that's not exactly correct for all people.
Does anyone else remember when they were really little, before they could talk or when they only knew a few words? I have a few memories of that time, it seems many people don't remember that far back.
It's so weird that I've found this now. I've been doing a lot of thinking since lockdown and just a few days ago I realized my internal monologue is completely superfluous. I don't need it to know what I'm thinking, but I also can't stop it.
Someone On The Internet me too. it’s so weird. i’m thinking about what i’m saying as i’m typing this and can’t turn it off lmao
I had an issue with constant internal monologue and it leading to depression and anxiety issues. I found meditation and some mindfulness techniques helped a lot in becoming more aware of when these thoughts arise and not latching onto them. It didn't really stop the thoughts but I was more immediately aware of them and would be able to realise they were not how I truly felt about a situation.
I do not associate who I am with my thoughts anymore. My mind feels like a separate entity. Sometimes my mind has thoughts that trigger emotions and it takes some conscious effort to acknowledge this and not allow the emotion to trigger more thoughts. I feel a lot more at peace and in control of my life.
Me too. I will sometimes slow down and think in words. This happens when I’m trying to come up with specific wording. Then I also have what I call super thought. This is when my brain works faster than words. I can have an entire internal monologue, with tons of details, and it happens instantaneously. When this happens, I stop needing words to think. I’m not using images or any other sense. My thoughts just, are. I think this is why I can talk fast and respond quickly. I can come up a response without a single moment passing, because my thoughts are instantaneous and all encompassing.
Petra Clinger Exactly the same for me, I thought it was normal for everyone! It blows my mind that some people always have to think in specific words!
Fantastic follow up video!! Thank you so much👍
So I wonder if this is hardwired into you, or if people develop certain strategies depending on what they’re exposed to as children.
I think you develop it the same way you develop visualising
I used to think almost exclusively with imagery and feelings when I was a toddler until about 7 years of age. Then it shifted and I started thinking with smell and taste and words and sounds. Then when I was about 13 or something I remember not being able to remember what cats even look like, the structure of their body's and faces, and patterns. I couldn't remember even what my own cats looked like until I looked at them. And then I couldn't remember if I had ever thought with pictures. I remember now, but yeah. I don't think with pictures now, after I remembered that I had used to it started coming back a little bit but only in very rare small snippets. I think thought is definitely a fluctuating thing.
Nature vs nurture. You can absolutely change it though,
I had an issue with constant internal monologue and it leading to depression and anxiety issues. I found meditation and some mindfulness techniques helped a lot in becoming more aware of when these thoughts arise and not latching onto them. It didn't really stop the thoughts but I was more immediately aware of them and would be able to realise they were not how I truly felt about a situation.
I do not associate who I am with my thoughts anymore. My mind feels like a separate entity. Sometimes my mind has thoughts that trigger emotions and it takes some conscious effort to acknowledge this and not allow the emotion to trigger more thoughts. I feel a lot more at peace and in control of my life.
@@buddhamack1491 That's fine tuning internal monologue. Not changing the modus.
@@daphne4983 No shit, did I claim it was?
Unsymbolized thinking over here, I was wondering if there was a name to it, what a weird one xD I also use the inner monologue for reading and writing. I have always used reflecting for "Unsymbolized thinking" and thinking for the inner monologue. Although I think I would split the Unsymbolized thinking in two as well, active(reflecting) and passive(before remembering and waiting for inspiration or intuition). Active is usually reactionary like if somebody asks me if I prefer hot dogs or burgers, I stop and reflect on it if it's not an obvious choice, while passive is more of a willing thing, I stop and wait for my unconscious, although it's a bad word, to elaborate a given topic and give me a result, like for instance if somebody writes to me 3+7+456+112 and I wanna process it, I look at it and wait for my brain to feed me each answer like I would when trying to recall a memory I wait for my brain to pick up the proper folder of informations similarly to having a computer open a folder or process a file/load a game.
That’s insane. So, do u have some feeling like “I can definitely do this” or “I definitely CANT do this myself”? Or u just “remembering” what I can and what u can’t do?
@@mtganalytic9796 For some things there is a feeling, like for whether I can touch the ceiling with a jump, or I can do an extra rep in the gym, but it's ultimately just a guess more or less reliable depending on how often I have to take that guess. For most mental tasks, if what I see is familiar, I can do it, for example if I see an expression and all the symbols are known to me, I know I can do it, just like you know you can use a cup to hold liquid without needing any feeling, thought or memory. Although I am sure you have tons of memories of filling cups, you just see a cup and it's second nature for you to work with it as something fillable without needing anything to pop within your consciousness. If there's something unfamiliar a feeling informs me on the course of action I need to take, like frustration can mean to change approach or become more involved, defeatism can mean I need to switch the framing of the problem to break it down into substeps, perhaps involving research. Generally speaking though I don't have a lot of awareness of what I can and can't do, I just find out as I do the thing in question. Sometimes I don't speak for a while and I wonder whether I am still articulate, but until I get a chance to speak and my subconscious proves to me it can still string words pretty well I have no awareness of whether I can do it, just a bit of anxiety or fear of not being able to do it. Why, how do you relate to can and can't dos?
NLP has done a lot of work in this area. The concept of consciously building rapport has to do with reading cues about the primary mode of internal perception and expression to communicate in a way that the other person can easily receive and understand.
@RyanLangdon_ This conversation should be titled "The 5 Different Ways People Interpret Data"
Your interview describes the various known ways in which individuals experience, interact, view or manipulate sensory or internally generated data. Thinking however is broadly defined as "the process of using one's mind to consider or reason about something."
I have studied this concept of thinking and have found the following:
"5 Different Ways People Think or Make Decisions"
1. Physiological Thinking
This form of thinking is purely drive driven.
a. Examples
1. Hunger
2. Sleep
3. Sexual
4. Addictions
2. Emotional Thinking
a. Reactive
b. Time based
1. Feelings
2. Moods
3. Attitudes
3. Pattern Matching Thinking
a. Back propagated learning
b. Speed focused processing
c. Social mimicry or mirroring
d. Examples
1. Driving a car
2. Not wearing a mask until someone you know gets ill
3. Not believing something until "you see it"
4. Principled Thinking / Critical Thinking
a. Detailed hierarchical or rule based decision tree
b. Discipline based rules / body of knowledge
c. Examples
1. Physicians
2. Engineers
3. Experimental physicists
5. First Principle Thinking
a. Scientific method based
b. Question / problem deconstruction
c. Identification of base principles
d. Application of base principles to desired solution
e. Examples
1. Works from well known first principled thinkers
a. Elon Musk
b. Bill Gates
c. Albert Einstein
d. Steven Hawking
The interesting point about these types of thinking processes is we as individuals need to slide up and down this thinking process list as we interface with others and attempt to communicate clearly or interface the two thinking processes. We also need to move along this continuum to effectively located the best method to solve individual problems or make decisions. It should be noted that we are all born with physiological drives and emotions. These processes are hard wired from birth. Pattern matching thinking is taught from earliest age with language introduction and completes with high school education. Principled thinking is introduced via the sciences in high school, but are not formally taught until the undergraduate level. Lastly, first principled thinking is rarely taught as anything more than a discipline specific process. It is not taught as a means for every day thinking and although extremely effective is slower than the other types of thinking and is susceptible to the "unknown unknowns" weakness.
In my experience the most productive process is to be able to effective traverse all methods of thinking and utilize the problem or decision making process that best suits the social setting and or problem requirements.
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I think by playing out scenarios in my head, like little movies in my brain that I watch over and over to see what changes and outcomes can occur. Hamburger or hot dog? Play a movie of myself eating both and see which one mentally 'tastes' better.
Great follow-up!
I haven’t watched the whole video, but I usually have two voices. One with reason and one just speaking randomly. Like if I wanted to eat something one voice would be like ooh I want to have a sandwich! Then the other would argue with that, and it makes me super indecisive, but also it seems to help In weird ways.
Me too. The spontaneous ones and the thoughts I mean to think. But all in words.
Thank you for sharing this man. Ps: Also I feel for the lady
There's nothing better than thinking about thinking of ways in which we think about thinking. I think so anyway.
Really interesting video! It’s super distracting that the two main speakers are the smallest on the screen.
Listen to it instead
Deep ! ⚘
This young man has a future in the interview world .
This corresponds well to the idea of a thought; an abstraction representation of the real world recreated by the network of the physical human brain(like a computer running a program when the program is called). The thought is a pattern of experiences localized in a physical location(dendrites) activated by the associative centers and maybe other areas. With this in mind, all thought doesn't necessarily have to originate in the cerebral cortex
When i listen to someone talking I’m also hearing it in my own voice in my head at the same time
I should've added (below) that my everyday thinking is an internal monologue, what Buddhists call "monkey mind." In my teens and 20s, though learning about Zen made me realize I was thinking compulsively, all the time, I couldn't have stopped it if my life had depended on it. Gradually this ceaseless chatter subsided, in "loudness," and to some extent in frequency. In my early 70s the change became more pronounced. Now if I wish (usually, anyway), I can sit quietly without thinking, or with the volume so low that the thinking is easy to ignore, and just feel myself. By comparison to earlier years, it is blissful.
How did you reach this point? Any advice on how to get here?
I think this just happens naturally with age, if you want it to. I’m 60 and I’ve learned to sit quietly without thinking. No Zen but I have tried meditation a few times.
Correct, 90 percent of the time I think in images. The images are rarely followed by any other sense. But if there is a sense, it is usually sound, but hardly ever words. I have absolutely no clue on what it’s like to continuously have the voice in my head running. Even to continuously think in images. Or to continuously think at all. Most of my day, if I have no school work to do or nothing to watch or read, is a meditative experience.
Thank you.
I have an inner monologue but no visuals.. I've seen some people say they have none of the senses when they think which made me wonder how do they think.. so that's why I'm here but I still don't understand how they think without any of the senses, like what are their thoughts like without audio/visual/taste etc.
My thoughts right now on this topic:
There are four ways of thinking - sensory, emotional, conceptual, and experience.
The first 3 in the video would all fall under sensory (hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting). It makes sense we would use our senses considering that is how we observe and analyze our world. Emotional is self-explanatory. Conceptual would be the 5th way explained in the video (unsymbolized). And last - experience - where our thoughts connect an observation with a memory (an experience). This is where we connect patterns, learn from mistakes, and even develop fallacies.
We all experience all these forms of thinking (some sensory, some emotion, some concepts, some experiences), which leads to understandings/misunderstandings and facts/opinions of the topics at hand. However, not all of us will use all sensory methods; some people do not have an inner monologue for example. And sometimes, we are drawn to one way of thinking more than another, which can change throughout our lives. ...just a thought. :)
This makes me wonder how the way we think as described here relates to how we learn new things, or how we process different inputs differently. Does everyone see the words they hear?
For example, I hear everything I read or write, but I am a visual learner. I need to see words to be able to remember them, but then they will really stick in my mind, whereas new words are incomprehensible to me if I don't know how to spell them in my head.
Also, if someone says a number it often takes more time until the image loads, but otherwise I retain no information.
I’m the same. I’m really good at foreign languages but have to see the written word. I’m horrible at remembering numbers if I don’t consciously use a memory crutch.
My thinking is usually a combination of images and words; the images seem to be part of a creative step, e.g. posing the problem, or some new insight about how to pose it or repose it; the words are more in the phase of solving, e.g. clarifying, trying out different pathways toward the solution, discarding dead ends, etc. But when I was in my late teens or early 20s--at my smartest (so I believe; I'm 78 now)--I had this experience--only once that I can recall: I was trying to solve some very difficult intellectual problem, very abstract; I don't recall what, though I now associate this experience with Einstein (I picture his face). So it may have been something about physics (my dad was a physicist), or math, or philosophy, or (most likely) what would today be called cognitive psychology: trying to understand the way my own mind works, including attention and memory. (Come to think, I may've been reading Wm.James's "Principles of Pschology" around that time.) I suddenly became aware that I was thinking with the fine muscles of my abdomen--or so it seemed; maybe this was the surface effect of a deeper process. Anyway as I was thinking about this problem I could feel those muscles making very fine, very rapid movements, almost like ripples. At the time these almost-undetectable movements reminded me of using an abacus, or watching the changing lights on a computer as it computes.
Hi, i found your comment really interesting. You said in your comment that you were trying to understand your mind and thinking, so can you provide me with any proper valuable online resources so that i could learn and understand about it too if possible? And moreover I found your grammar very interesting and proper, I was hoping that if you could provide me some of the online resources then it would be a great help... (such as book names, or links to proper websites where I can learn such stuff)
I do all of these and although have never been tested formally am pretty sure I'm synesthetic. I wonder if there's a correlation? It feels like they're connected, at least in experience
Mine is very heavy in visualization and internal monologue then when I go deeper into a thought emotion/senses are involved such as, I imagine the beach and I feel the warmth of the sun and see the sharpness of light but the internal monologue turns to ocean waves
I have a very similar experience, and I can taste and smell memories. I can cause myself to get goosebumps by thinking of a cold memory, or something that scared me or remembering goosebumps, as an example. I can't even imagine being deprived of any of these internal processes or what that experience would be like, but I guess if you just grew up that way, you wouldn't know any different!
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yeah I overlap with everything except the picture thing. I dream in images, and I don't actually hear I don't think in dreams oddly enough, but when I'm awake I do, and I also can think with touch, emotions, smell, and taste, as well as mostly as I said before hearing or word thoughts. It's not always exactly hearing, it's more I recognize that I'm thinking a word, sometimes I hear sometimes I don't. Like just as I was typing just now. I wasn't hearing what I was going to say for some of it, but then I started again, I already had the basic outline of what I was going to type. So mostly words not necessarily hearing the words, but I do still sometimes. I've also been training my visual thinking skills, but It's not really helping, sometimes I'll see an image in my mind for a split second like a tiger as an example but it goes away, I have no control over what I see, and it happens rarely not even when I'm trying to train it either. I also used to think a lot more visually, but I don't quite remember when it went away, maybe when I was 12? I remember forgetting what cats looked like and I felt concerned. After I remembered that I used to think visually and that was even a thing is when visual imagery and thinking started to seep back a bit. So I guess I just forgot how to think visually? idk.
This is really interesting. I feel like I've fallen down a 2am youtube rabbit hole again but I thought everyone was similar to me. As with the hot dog vs hamburger thing, I can do everything he has mentioned overlapped. I have an internal monologue, I can visually picture items in my head, I can imagine taste in my head, I can imagine smell in my head, I can imagine the feel in my head, and I can feel the feelings of them in my head if that makes sense. I believed everyone had these capabilities
I take it that there are combinations of the five types because as he was describing the five, I could say I do the first 4 simultaneously. I f I think about having a hamburger or a hotdog I have a film of the future running in my head where I visualise those choices and the narration of my feelings which I’m using to evaluate the choice is spoken over the images. It’s cinematic.
Same
I think the way we think comes from how we live. How does the thoughts of people differ? Think of:
-someone who spends his life on the chalkboard writing math equations, -an architect who uses plain geometry
-a painter who wants to give "life" to the pictures he makes
-an animator who makes moving pictures
-someone who watches lots of Disney movies
-someone who watches lots of real life movies (think of fans of certain genres, horror vs romance)
-someone who enslaves his mind to hardcore psy beats
-someone who is the CEO of a company, a leading position of power and wealth
-a social worker or psychologist
-a doctor
-someone to prays to God 5 times a day, fasts and spends his day in piety and recitation of the Qur'An
The way we live shapes the way we think. And, listen well, the way we spend our lives may also shape the form of our thoughts. We all have an associative network of pure experiences through our senses through which we conceived of meaning, thoughts, feelings etc. If you take one sense away, you still have a network of all the other things. That's how blind people think, or deaf people think, too, just like us: in the form of our life.
We need to figure this out. How people think can really impact what they can and can't do very well or how they need to learn things to understand better. This would fix so many issues. We have some kind of test that we take once a year to see how we are thinking and to make sure we're doing things to help us better understand the world around us. I feel like I'm smoking pot just thinking about how people think, lol.
What about the 5 at the same time? Which category fall in?
That last one might have some people unsure of what the psychologist meant. I believe he just meant the direct access of 'meaning'. The other ways of thinking 'ping' some symbol, e.g. color, word, image, etc., which then pings the associated meaning--so there are two mind-objects being activated. But it seems that you can skip the symbols and just directly access the 'meaning' or semantic info..... I guess....
I'm not a psychologist, but I don't think babies have internal monologues. It is something we all had to learn once we started learning a language. Some babies are naturally drawn to language and are so talkative, but other babies are not as quick and it takes great effort for them to formulate sentences. A baby might want a ball from across the room, and he knows that he wants it, but he doesn't know how to communicate it to his parents. He had to learn the right way to say "I want the red ball." I know for me, I can have an internal monologue in my head but only if I force myself to do it. Thinking in sentences is not my natural first choice, and honestly to formulate sentences in my head is kind of a chore for me. Like a bolt of lightning, often times I can think and understand my thoughts faster than it would take me to translate or formulate it into sentences. Most times, I only bother formulating it into sentences in my head when I know I need to give of speech or explain it to someone else later on. Even as I'm writing right now, I have to say it out loud to make sure it translates my thought accurately... but again, I knew exactly what I was thinking before all of this, and the thoughts came to me really fast.. it just takes a lot of extra work mentally to put it into a monologue.
I think in sentences all the time. I imagine the sentences are fluent and rapidly flowing in my head. I say "imagine", because when I try to speak them, they come out kind of broken. I do not speak nearly as fluently as I think. When I try to write down my thoughts, I don't exact write out the sentences in my head either. Different words and new ideas come out as I write. They seem to appear out of nowhere. I cannot write as fast as I formulate the sentences in my head. Some thoughts are gone before I can write them down. Maybe it's the unsymbolized thinking that the professor briefly mentioned. I would like to understand more about the unsymbolized thinking.
Yes, it's certain that this whole internal monologue thing is not something anyone would do naturally, it requires a language and it requires somehow entangling thoughts and language together.
Scary to think that, should thought become entangled with language, you would be forced to slow your reading (and maybe even thinking) speed, and potentially even have language severely limit the way you can think about things.
How does this compare to the various learning styles? Can you experience more then 1 type of thinking?
So unsymbolized thinking of having a hamburger or a hotdog could be explanied like this: You are feeling hunger and your brain holistically remembers the size of any food you have eaten before so your brain are drawn to the size of satisfaction in order to make you full. So you are not thinking about a hamburger but you are thinking about eating something to be corresponding that it has the size of a hamburger but you don't visualise a hamburger or its taste or anything just the thought of you need to be eating something and you maybe feel what size food it should be but not what kind of food it is.
I believe I think using all of these 5 ways but probably weakest is sensory or taste because i can't really smell or taste my thougths but I can kind of remember what it tasted like without experiencing inner taste or smell.
I can re watch a movie in my head and have visuals and hear the monolouges from the movie and the actors voices like if I close my eyes I am standing inside the movie and I can interact with the set and speak with the characters in the movie and change the movie if I want and try different endings or saving people that died or whatever.
I can imagine some sensory sensations but pain is not something I feel but more that I can understand pain if I lose an arm in a daydream or stand blocking an explosion like a superhero I can't feel any pain only the concept that it could hurt and maybe feeling anxiety being up high or falling from a plane.
I am an introvert INFP so my inner monolouge speed far exceeds my real ability to outwardly speak so I get anxious of talking because what I want to say is more complex than what I have the ability to transfer out through my mouth so I prefer writing what I want to say instead.
I have internal monologue but also visualize things with it
i feel like i think A LOT in the last mode, and its devastating for my memory (in the sense of active recall, for example during a quiz, but also re-experiencing past events, they are bland) tbh. i think so fast about stuff because its not visualised, articulated, emotional or anything in any way. it sometimes rushes past me but i have seen a glimpse of it. anyone get me?
How bizarre that some people just don't even have internal monologues. I feel like that's really the main way that I think. Like it's possible to think about things that I don't have words to describe, but I'm still generally running the monologue 24/7 anyways.
Although I feel like I generally don't have that emotional component he was talking about. I'm a little confused by that one. Like I guess I could think about how a particular thing would make me feel, but more just by vaguely classifying things as fun, frustrating, depressing, etc and not actually feeling the emotions as I think about stuff. The emotions would only come up in the moment when the actual emotion-inducing thing is happening. I don't just feel emotions in my head as I'm thinking about stuff though.
Also what's with the woman on the side taking up half the screen but not saying anything? It's clearly from a longer call so I'm sure she had something to say at some point, but idk who she even is bc she never said anything. She's cute tho
This. This. This. Exactly what it is like unless I am completely hooked on the book and even then I have to skim read I can’t read every single word
I'm not familiar with any of the ways of thinking describe. For me, it is like I most of the time (mindless thinking) has a little bit of all of them, and then depending on tasks, I go into a specific mode that only gives me access to one of them. Inner speaking is the one I have the least access to, but still some.
I think I'm a physical thinker - Acting is my form of thinking. Acting and thinking happens at the same time.
(my reaction to the last video, thought you, the reader, can maybe profit from it:) I used to depend on my inner monologue aswell when I was younger. Now, when following a train of thoughts, I may find myself going through a plethora of images, feelings, and representations of ideas, ideals, a certain order of things, which is basically my associative network of things, words, meanings and experience, basically all that makes up myself and my experiences. Of course I can create a monologue that I can make similar to myself, or create monologues or dialogues that are different from myself, like "acting as if I have multiple personalities" and stuff if wanted, since it's within the capacity of my mind that we all have, I mean, most of us can imagine [elephants] [a couple arguing] or [a supernovae turning into a black hole that sucks up all the bread until only gluten free roses exist in the garden of the old woman who likes to look out of the window to supervise the kids playing in the basketball field] when I tell you to imagine it like I did it right now, though it's not what I will be doing. Maybe watching less movies will clear your mind enough to be less reactionary, I, as a muslim pray 5 times a day. It probably could habe some kind of meditative effect on my mind, but it's only a big deal if your astonishment is letting your inner reactionary voice react in a way that paraphrases the feeling of astonishment into words that reflect your reaction. But the voice is not essential. You don't need it to make sense of everything that is happening, for it is just a reflection of what you feel, with it or without it. From the point of view of my Religion, the Devil, Shaytaan, uses this monologue against us when we are not focusing on it, he may whisper thoughts into our ears and hearts that are not ours, that bring forth the worst in us. The way we Muslims protect ourselves is by reciting "Sura an Nas" and "Ayatul Kursi". A quick CZcams search will bring you to the recitations (often with subtitles) and you can listen to them to help yourself and to make up your heart.
Assalamu Alaikum and Ramadan Mubarak!
Is it weird that i do multiple?
If im thinking of a hotdog and hamburger i can hear myself debating which one i'd prefer for whatever reason, i can see them and also taste certain attributes. Even so much so that i get cravings for things you naturally would if you actually ate that tging, for example is i get thirsty if i think of salty foods like popcorn or pretzels.
Is it possible for people to be a hybrid of these
I would say yes, because I think visually and imagine the object, for example the hotdog or hamburger, but also have a very prominent internal dialog. The internal dialog seems to play a bigger part but I still visualize things as well. Just my personal experience.
Yeah, he said that it is a very complex subject and there is a lot of overlap.
I mainly think in unsymbolized thought, but I can access inner speech and some visual thinking when necessary.
Thus, there is considerable overlap, but neither inner monolog nor visual thinking are my strongest modes of thinking.
Yes. I struggle to have an inner monologue or to visualize, although it is easier for me to monologue.
Yes. I have an inner monologue but I also think with pictures and feelings. Also my inner monologue doesn't have to be on the same subject as the "pictures" and feelings.
Like I can be "talking" about work in my head while "seeing" a meme about a cat I saw on the internet earlier. Usually what I feel is related to one of those things though.
I find clarity in caos
Reading the comments, I realize I'm not alone. I've always been dfrnt in ways the world cant understand. I think in all 5 ways, but nvr all at once. I havent thought abt that yet. I'll have to try that out. Thank you. Maybe WE are the proof that this world is a giant virtual reality of some sort & WE are the players, the real gods of this world.
Amazing video. I've experimented with all these different types of thinking and I think in general, inner monologue seems to be the most precise way of thinking. Mind you I grew up not ever using an internal monologue but kind of discovered it in my early 20s.
I first see a picture of the two. Then I analyze the nutritional value of the two, then think about the effects each one will have on my body, then think about which will be most satisfying, and at the same time remember that most hot dogs contain sodium nitrate and the meat is essentially junk meat and may have some ground up rats and roaches in them recalling a meat processing testimony from years ago. At the same I am still picturing both of them. The higher cost of the burger would be last in order of importance in weighing my decision as I choose to prioritize my health. Finally I critically lament the fast food industry and many Americans ignorance of how deleterious a regular diet of fast food is to their health and microbiome, while I simultaneously ponder and seek to understand the reasons they choose to eat processed foods. Does anyone else run through a whole gamut like this in their minds in a matter of seconds of deliberation?
What about experiencing as a way of thinking? Like a ton of data about whatever it is I’m thinking about becomes an internalized experience.
why do i think i think too much all of a sudden.
Its neat when making a decision how our brains weigh each variable involved. Some of us feel taste is more important than the cost of the meal. Some feel that the word "meal" is weird, and I definitely do. Why do we use that word? Can we get rid of it? Where am i?
Nah meal is a good word
Krizlyyy Krizlyyy What word do you not like?
What about people that can shut off their internal dialogue at will? People when in social situations that can automatically start an internal dialogue to adapt to conversation moving at a faster pace than when not in conversation at all? People that when alone and want to take in the world at large with all the senses inputing to the brain just the sensations and no dialogue, basically at a state of ready, but completely calm, like a reflection of the tranquil setting that is occuring around their body at that moment...With no inner monologue to cloud in the experience of peace...Is this a common occurence in the minds of humans in general?
"hot dog or hamburger?"
Me: I actively see the image of each item & have to recall the physical taste/texture/satisfaction of what each one is to me in order to decide, but it also depends on the situation... If I'm at a party/social gathering & the food's provided, it might be easier to decide which one I'm "in the mood for"*
If I'm purchasing the food myself, or already have the ingredients to cook but am trying to choose which one, I might decide based on a tipping scale of "how much does it cost, how filling is the portion, and LASTLY, how satisfying will it be in my taste buds?"
*In the mood: I, personally, rarely get physical food cravings, so if I'm trying to decide what I want to eat, hot dog or hamburger, I'll usually try to recall the memory of what that item tastes like, the flavors, and make a decision based on which I'd prefer more... Although, it often comes down to an equal desire for both items, so I'll just "flip a coin" and go with that...
Also, when I am reading, I read with a combination of 3: I See the words in front of me first & I then physically Hear the words in my head without speaking aloud as I am reading, so finally, when I am really concentrating on and absorbed into reading, Seeing & Hearing what I am reading will turn into Viewing the image (like a movie). It all happens very simultaneously, but explaining it in that 1 2 3 order is the easiest way I can think (ha!) to explain it.
I am trilingual and whenever they ask which language I count in it’s none, neither or nor. There are no visials either.
I think visually. like a movie or pictures along with shapes/graphs. so when I read a math problem, I see the answer as an image like a graph, pie chart.
when I close my eyes, I visualize nothing. it's blank. it's only when my eyes are open can I visualize images. like overlaying. so I "see" the graph. when I am describing a tool or how to operate equipment, I "see" the object, equipment in front of me.
watching videos/tv/movies with Captions on. hearing, and seeing the words, its awesome.
in school, when I had to concentrate on a problem, I would cup my eyes and stair directly at it. If I didn't get it the first time, I would scour the other problems on the page to identify any correlation with the answer I did get correct. then break it down backwards and re-do it with the new info. like making a new cake with batter from another and new ingredients. once you realize most cakes are the same, other baked goods are easy to understand.
Wow, that is interesting. I experience all of these individually, a combination of a couple or all at once depending on how invested I am in the thought and whether there are outside distraction. I can do it on command as well without effort and I've been conscious of it since I was 4 years old.
I have twin daughters and they are able to do it as well and I wonder if it was nature or nurture as I raised them as a single father during the formative years. We would have all sorts of strange conversations and would encourage their imagination to see, hear and even taste/smell what they were thinking. We are still very close today, and now they're adults, we still talk about thoughts/thinking, the process and how to positively affect our inner speech and how it affects our outward appearance and how other perceive us.
I've only just found your channel but this topic is insanely complicated and intriguing at the same time. Binge watching your channel as I type!
Look up Objective Personality, it will help explain much of this
t.v. show called HERMAN'S HEAD. It made sense to me, so I assumed that's how everyone thought. Since then I have learned different.
Part of this is a language issue, right. In words thinking of whether to have a hot dog or a hamburger sounds like one thing, but it can match several different experiences. But each of the experiences could be mostly simple single things if you can identify it. Of course experiences can also be complex amalgamations of different parts so it's not necessarily simple. But there is no reason that simple words should necessarily map onto simple experiences and vice versa.
This is crazy! Why would you see the word hotdog in your head when your trying to figure out what you want to eat? I understand if your reading the menu but 🤯
Some of us have multiple things happening at once. I am a Fibromyalgia patient, recently learning that the major cause of my brain malfunctioning is that the Dopamine engines of the brain around the outer portion of the brains have attrophied so they are no longer producing as much dopamine as they should. They know the cause of the dopamine loss but not the cause of the attrophied portions of the brain.
While watching this video I've experienced, my inner voice talking, songs I've heard in the past (long ago), visualizing what I'm imagining about the people I see on the screen as well as, visualizing the classroom experience that the doctor spoke about at the beginning of the video (seeing the people in class telling him about each different thought process.) I've always been considered a strange person i guess because of the way I think about things, hearing seeing tasting or smelling and the odd process of imagining the shapes of sentences as described by someone without an internal monologue in another video of yours.
I used to think everyone experienced life the same way until I studied the philosophies of Hermits as well as the philosophies of the most recognized philosophers of the West and East. I also thought that other people can sense others emotional states, but that's a different story altogether.
the thoughts are based on the personality test from meyers Briggs test. he is an expert on that!!
I think randomly
does anybody else use all 5 of these ways when they think?
I realize I’m a weirdo. I can do all of these and more. I can’t even give people subtitles and change the voice in my head and I can just not do any of those things.
I see the burger, I smell the burger. I don't see words, always pictures.
I’m able to think in all of these ways!?
If I’m thinking about a hotdog or hamburger I’m right there in the kitchen or next to the bbq in my mind. Same way I visualize what I read.
COFFEE or CHAI TEA goes like this in about .8 seconds
so i had to use something possible cuz im in need of groceys but i used next cup of coffee i have a hazy scene of my kitchen in specific approaching the pot and almost it categorized in a suspisousely dangerouse way that worrys me my substance abuse issues could have painted witch this off the tops of my head because the whole thing has like an approval wraiting as far as if i should or shoudl like ok i comparted it with cold tea also caffienated to use the metaphor again i saw the coolers but this was weard i shot to them like realized their direction and the hardship imediatly and ruled them out and actually their would have been some process of illimination but because the distance what so "fuck that" its was the coffe though since i added the option witch i should have started with the supper hazzy like 3-5 feet gap in darkness looking through maybe hald opened eyes i saw was all i saw however i did sence the direction and the acheivment prospect imediately and i cant dont wanna day it took longer to think of something further away but it was safely comiled in a test sorta way like i had to awknowledge the difficulty of acheivment in order to make the determination as the determination was based on reward based on dopamine and my brains very organized and compulsive way of determining intent...
If I thought about whether I wanted a hotdog or hamburger mind will go to "well, a hamburger is beef and on a bun... but doe this hamburger have on it? I don't like mustard. I don't want it if it has mustard. What about the hotdog? Oooh,, I like chilli on how dogs..I are chilli last night for dinner... maybe I'll have the hamburger. Wait, what was the choice again? I think I want pizza instead."
I constantly overthink things and will have a hard time making a decision. It's my internal monologue telling me random things.
I have all of them at once?
who is the girl ?
This fills me with utter dead, and I have no idea why.
This was a 43 minute call...I feel like I was robbed of more possible knowledge:p
peep the last video.
Not sure who the lady is but she looks like she is struggling to not get distracted
This is the most self-conscious girl I have observerd in a while.
People that have no voice or picture are like bugs😂 visuals like my dog and all are homosapiens..
God, this is so simple: you can recall any type of information (visual, audio, taste, feeling, whatever) and make a decision. And it's your choice how much thought you give to a certain decision and what information you pull out from memory.
You either got it from yt or you are so desperate in overthinking about your own thoughts that you looked it up
Was anyone else more interested in looking at the body language cues the girl and the guy were sending? Like it was distracting and interesting
sounds like a trilateral monologue - so many words zero essence.
…I just think about Sex 90% of the time, pretty simple
It's cute how she can't take her eyes off of the lad