Another great discussion as usual. My thoughts I am very happy to own Reproductions but not counterfeit stuff if that means it was sold as original to defraud the buyer.
I have had my 12 gi joes repaired... reflocked hair... restrung or repainted.... not a problem with that for I am paying for a service... as far as buying reproduction parts if they are well made I consider them sort of a spare tire until I get the official part. If I was selling honesty is always the best policy letting the buyer know exactly what they are getting.
Another cool topic for discussion. Personally I don't have a issue with anything repro as long as it is clearly labeled as repro. Duping people into buying something that isn't what they want is definitely wrong.
After my collection was stolen, and I became more aware of the possible after market fakes, I purchase very few packaged figures. Great video and an interesting topic to maybe educate some people who may be unaware of this issue. Thanks
I like repro as long as the seller states it as such. If you don’t read the description then that’s on you. Buyer beware. Repro’s are not going away so it’s up to us to educate ourselves on what’s happening in the collecting market. IF a seller is trying to scam someone then they should burn.
I collect straight up vintage , I can't lie to myself , what I mean is, that to me a reissue , repro or counterfeit won't do. If the original figure is too expensive I just won't get or I'll save up for it but it has to be %100 original. To me it defeats the purpose of collecting vintage if your buying reissues or counterfeits , That's just my opinion off course , to each their own . I really enjoy these types of videos keep up the good work guys .
100% truly love these discussions wish more people would watch your channel and throw their opinions into the mix continue to keep up with this great content these great discussions keep informing people keep educating new collectors and re-educating old collectors truly love your points of opinion I agree with them like always stay safe stay warm stay blessed can't wait to read more comments and comment myself have a great day talk to you again real soon
I bought a reproduction box (with interior liner cardboard) for my KENNER 18" ALIEN figure from 1979, and I was so happy to get it ! I got it for display purposes only, not to turn a profit. That's why I like the market that facilitates reproductions. As usual it's the individual that creates or corrupts the result. I've got a KENNER movie viewer (Alien) that I'm hoping I will get a reproduction box for. So I like the idea of Repro's.
This is prevalent in the baseball card market on Ebay. I got duped buying what I thought was a 1960's card. It doesn't happen in Cons because of the number of experts. Thankfully I got my money back. I hear this all the time with SW weapons. The bottom line is if they inform you in the listing, I guess it's up to the buyer. The problem is that some sellers are sneaky.
I am fine with clear repro stuff (guns and removable clothing). I am not fine with recarded items and counterfeit items. If an action figure is vintage and already opened, I would like it in a clear clam-shell container and sold for a reasonable price.
I collect loose vintage Masters, some of my weapons are repros but only for my childhood figures they are not marked Mattel they marked repro. Recarded is more a Problem because MOC collectors only want original . Why Recard a Figure if you don't want to cheat someone? Thank you for your Video and many greetings from Germany.
13:59 Yeah those Liquid resin 3d printers are no joke and there so cheap! It is crazy how they have effected the collecting market in good and bad ways. (there really good for prototyping) You two really opened my eyes to how they can be used to trick people i don't like that. I also agree they should not be the price of mint in box originals..
The companies that make these repro products should go out of their way to make it obvious that it's a repro at a glance. Add the word "REPRODUCTION" to one of the corners of the card back. Mold accessories in a different color that makes sense, or even add paint apps to highlight the sculpt and make the details pop. Anything to differentiate it from the original.
I have a few repro cards but they are easy to spot. I just do it for really expensive figures so that I can display everything together. I wouldn't sell them on these cards, I would remove them first and sell as loose.
I think selling recarded items could be a problem. I get that point. However if someone is recarding a couple for there personal enjoyment. I don’t see the issue. I have a few beggars canyon ARAH cards mixed in with my original as place holders. I mean I don’t want to pay 3,000 for a Snake-Eyes V2. If for any reason I did sell, which I don’t anticipate, I would extract and sell loose, or clearly state. Their cards do say reproduction packaging on the reverse thou.
@@OpenByChance me as well, but I think repro is here to stay and will only get more indistinguishable as time moves on with 3D printers. I just get a couple card backs as 15 buck figure holders. I love ARAH art. But not for 3,000 dollars lol. Like I’ll buy a Doctor Mindbender original or something like that 400-500 tops. But the 3k ones not on your life, well this life anyways. Of course original would recoup the cost spent in the future. Parting with 3k thou for 1 3.75 figure moc is hard for me to justify. I truly collect thous do to I appreciate the art and enjoy them displayed. With zero intention of selling. Kind of like a art print over a original.
@Open By Chance - I just came upon this channel by chance (no pun intended) and then I realized, you're the same guy that host's the channels "Penny University" and "Coffee Talk". That's SO COOL. How many channels do you host?
Feels like this one is the only one. The others are shadow-banned so badly I'm surprised they're even still up! Besides which since this is hobby based it's more fun for me.
@@OpenByChance - I hear you. For me, Prepping got a bit overwhelming, so I put that on the back burner and jumped into a new hobby - Stop Motion Animation. That's how I came across this channel. I'm currently on the lookout for multi articulated action figures (different than the usual "superhero" or transformer" stuff)
I don’t mind buying a figure with reproduction parts as long it is described in the listing and they are not charging a super high price.I will still try and find the original piece for the figure and eventually switch the piece for a reasonable price.
Those $10 Star Wars retro figures hasbro is doing that look just like the vintage ones are cool. I have no problem with it ,it makes collecting affordable for everyone and if someone just wants to collect them because it reminds them of there childhood or whatever and doesn’t care if there going to be worth money or not he just wants a set to display and he can a n get a carded darth Vader for $10 that looks just like a 78 carded Vader I got no problem with it….but as far as repro stuff people are passing off as vintage that’s not cool at all
I'm okay with repro stickers and accessories. But it needs to be clearly stated what is repro and it shouldn't be sold for original price. The problem is a lot of people are dishonest, greedy or don't care so they want to pass it off and make some money.
I don't like people getting taken paying for what they are not buying. But I'm also not excited to buy a weapon for a beater figure where the weapon is worth more than the figure.
I want all original in general. I can see why some people want repo items due to cost which is OK , if there is a disclaimer. I think it's going to get worse as 3d printers become better and cheaper. Suck for collectors that want all original...
If people start selling them as legit pieces or carded down the track, it can begin to ruin the hobby as people will be less intent on buying if they can't tell if it's legit. For me it's knowing I have something in it's original state, even slightly damaged. However, I think it is fine if people do it for their own personal collections as long as they know and are happy with it.
Mego is the biggest repo out there and I don't mind the decal that are always lost. But I am trying to complete my vintage death star and I refuse to pay $145 for a rope. I was looking for the background cards they wanted to much for one in not that of great shape $65. So I know why people go to repo and they do say repo. But there are ones that don't tell u and on the star wars weapons I bought a luke gun and sword. They said original they float did the test but now they have ones that float. So now I don't know if they are original or not paid $60 for them. My mego are original but 3 have repo decals my high end ones have all original decal and accessories.
I'm cool with it if it's a fair price for those reproductions and I'll buy one just put it with an original figure but it does bother me also when people sell them a lot of money for fakes.
My Son ran into this Its ridiculous!!! That makes the Seller a Liar and a Thief! I hate to Be that crass on it but its become the norm now in collecting. I dont mind repro Weapons If the Sellers TELLS you that it is in the description for the Figure or Vehicle. You Guys know as well as I do that there are Folks out there that Gouge the collector over an Accessory that was even a little special or hardly rare. I wonder If My Son bought His Man At Arms from the same Seller. It turned out the Weapon and Armour were Repro. I had Man at Arms when I was young and knew that it was hard Plastic and this was like Vinyl and soft as anything. I think If a Person Buys an Incomplete Figure Then Buys a Repro Weapon for Their Owen Collection is alright. Thats not hurting anyone, Right. Now If Someone Misleads someone and sell Them a repro anything thats fraud. Collector seller arent regulated like any other business so They dont suffer for it and get away with it.
Yeah I don't really care about repros etc etc...but I be pissed too if I bought something 200 or 300 and it's a repro not original...for instance I've seen some Mattel old flash Gordon figures with repro art that look pretty good for 30 bucks plus they say reproduction...I'm cool with that..the art and the figures look good and they tell you up front. I just be mad if it were sold for 200 saying yes it's an original figure.
I avoid it like the plague. I'd rather have a figure on a tattered card with the bubble loose than have anything repro. I mean it just defeats the purpose of collecting in the first place.
I think it’s fine as long as it’s WELL known and clearly stated this is a reproduction or whatever. But as a toy collector and buyer I will never buy a reproduction thing I think it’s Crap!
Another great discussion as usual. My thoughts I am very happy to own Reproductions but not counterfeit stuff if that means it was sold as original to defraud the buyer.
That's about where we're at with it!
I have had my 12 gi joes repaired... reflocked hair... restrung or repainted.... not a problem with that for I am paying for a service... as far as buying reproduction parts if they are well made I consider them sort of a spare tire until I get the official part. If I was selling honesty is always the best policy letting the buyer know exactly what they are getting.
Another cool topic for discussion. Personally I don't have a issue with anything repro as long as it is clearly labeled as repro. Duping people into buying something that isn't what they want is definitely wrong.
And that's where I'm at with it. Fine if you like it, but a lot of people aren't very honest about it.
David’s reactions at the start of the video are priceless! Hahaha... Totally made my night! 👍🏻😅
After my collection was stolen, and I became more aware of the possible after market fakes, I purchase very few packaged figures. Great video and an interesting topic to maybe educate some people who may be unaware of this issue. Thanks
Just trying to reach out to fellow collectors, thanks!
I like repro as long as the seller states it as such. If you don’t read the description then that’s on you. Buyer beware. Repro’s are not going away so it’s up to us to educate ourselves on what’s happening in the collecting market. IF a seller is trying to scam someone then they should burn.
Buyer beware, always!
I collect straight up vintage , I can't lie to myself , what I mean is, that to me a reissue , repro or counterfeit won't do. If the original figure is too expensive I just won't get or I'll save up for it but it has to be %100 original. To me it defeats the purpose of collecting vintage if your buying reissues or counterfeits , That's just my opinion off course , to each their own . I really enjoy these types of videos keep up the good work guys .
I feel like it takes away from the historical value if it's not original.
100% truly love these discussions wish more people would watch your channel and throw their opinions into the mix continue to keep up with this great content these great discussions keep informing people keep educating new collectors and re-educating old collectors truly love your points of opinion I agree with them like always stay safe stay warm stay blessed can't wait to read more comments and comment myself have a great day talk to you again real soon
Here's another way to look at it buyers beware and sellers be honest at the end of the day let's not ruin what makes us all happy which is collecting
Big audience, small audience, either way we're glad that people get something out of the content!
I bought a reproduction box (with interior liner cardboard) for my KENNER 18" ALIEN figure from 1979, and I was so happy to get it ! I got it for display purposes only, not to turn a profit. That's why I like the market that facilitates reproductions. As usual it's the individual that creates or corrupts the result. I've got a KENNER movie viewer (Alien) that I'm hoping I will get a reproduction box for. So I like the idea of Repro's.
Yeah, as long as you know and there's no deceit in the sale.
This is prevalent in the baseball card market on Ebay. I got duped buying what I thought was a 1960's card. It doesn't happen in Cons because of the number of experts. Thankfully I got my money back. I hear this all the time with SW weapons. The bottom line is if they inform you in the listing, I guess it's up to the buyer. The problem is that some sellers are sneaky.
And there are plenty of dishonest sellers out there!
I am fine with clear repro stuff (guns and removable clothing). I am not fine with recarded items and counterfeit items. If an action figure is vintage and already opened, I would like it in a clear clam-shell container and sold for a reasonable price.
Great Topic
Thanks
I collect loose vintage Masters, some of my weapons are repros but only for my childhood figures they are not marked Mattel they marked repro. Recarded is more a Problem because MOC collectors
only want original . Why Recard a Figure if you don't want to cheat someone? Thank you for your Video and many greetings from Germany.
And I've seen some pretty convincing recarded figures too! You've got to be careful!
13:59 Yeah those Liquid resin 3d printers are no joke and there so cheap! It is crazy how they have effected the collecting market in good and bad ways. (there really good for prototyping) You two really opened my eyes to how they can be used to trick people i don't like that. I also agree they should not be the price of mint in box originals..
Once someone has been fooled it's discouraging for them, and may even affect their interest in the hobby.
LMAO I LOVE THAT 😂 CAT ... thanks... great video 👍😊
The companies that make these repro products should go out of their way to make it obvious that it's a repro at a glance. Add the word "REPRODUCTION" to one of the corners of the card back. Mold accessories in a different color that makes sense, or even add paint apps to highlight the sculpt and make the details pop. Anything to differentiate it from the original.
I agree. Make sure people can't make a mistake during examination.
I have a few repro cards but they are easy to spot. I just do it for really expensive figures so that I can display everything together. I wouldn't sell them on these cards, I would remove them first and sell as loose.
And that integrity is what it's all about. Not everyone would be so honest.
I think selling recarded items could be a problem. I get that point. However if someone is recarding a couple for there personal enjoyment. I don’t see the issue. I have a few beggars canyon ARAH cards mixed in with my original as place holders. I mean I don’t want to pay 3,000 for a Snake-Eyes V2. If for any reason I did sell, which I don’t anticipate, I would extract and sell loose, or clearly state. Their cards do say reproduction packaging on the reverse thou.
So long as you know what you're doing and what you've got! I worry about people being fooled though.
@@OpenByChance me as well, but I think repro is here to stay and will only get more indistinguishable as time moves on with 3D printers. I just get a couple card backs as 15 buck figure holders. I love ARAH art. But not for 3,000 dollars lol. Like I’ll buy a Doctor Mindbender original or something like that 400-500 tops. But the 3k ones not on your life, well this life anyways. Of course original would recoup the cost spent in the future. Parting with 3k thou for 1 3.75 figure moc is hard for me to justify. I truly collect thous do to I appreciate the art and enjoy them displayed. With zero intention of selling. Kind of like a art print over a original.
@Open By Chance - I just came upon this channel by chance (no pun intended) and then I realized, you're the same guy that host's the channels "Penny University" and "Coffee Talk". That's SO COOL. How many channels do you host?
Looks like Im gonna have to stalk them on those channels too. Look out you two!
Feels like this one is the only one. The others are shadow-banned so badly I'm surprised they're even still up! Besides which since this is hobby based it's more fun for me.
@@OpenByChance - I hear you. For me, Prepping got a bit overwhelming, so I put that on the back burner and jumped into a new hobby - Stop Motion Animation. That's how I came across this channel. I'm currently on the lookout for multi articulated action figures (different than the usual "superhero" or transformer" stuff)
I don’t mind buying a figure with reproduction parts as long it is described in the listing and they are not charging a super high price.I will still try and find the original piece for the figure and eventually switch the piece for a reasonable price.
And that's really the thing. Those sellers who don't say anything and charge just enough of a price to confuse people.
I don't mind reissues that are official from the actual toy company. i wouldn't want a fan made item or re-carded figure.
And people are making their own more and more often now...
The sad thing is, anymore you have to prove your original carded figure is not Recarded. It throws doubt on the real deal and that's the problem.
Good point!
Those $10 Star Wars retro figures hasbro is doing that look just like the vintage ones are cool. I have no problem with it ,it makes collecting affordable for everyone and if someone just wants to collect them because it reminds them of there childhood or whatever and doesn’t care if there going to be worth money or not he just wants a set to display and he can a n get a carded darth Vader for $10 that looks just like a 78 carded Vader I got no problem with it….but as far as repro stuff people are passing off as vintage that’s not cool at all
I'm okay with repro stickers and accessories. But it needs to be clearly stated what is repro and it shouldn't be sold for original price. The problem is a lot of people are dishonest, greedy or don't care so they want to pass it off and make some money.
Exactly!
I don't like people getting taken paying for what they are not buying. But I'm also not excited to buy a weapon for a beater figure where the weapon is worth more than the figure.
I want all original in general. I can see why some people want repo items due to cost which is OK , if there is a disclaimer. I think it's going to get worse as 3d printers become better and cheaper. Suck for collectors that want all original...
I prefer original myself...
If people start selling them as legit pieces or carded down the track, it can begin to ruin the hobby as people will be less intent on buying if they can't tell if it's legit. For me it's knowing I have something in it's original state, even slightly damaged. However, I think it is fine if people do it for their own personal collections as long as they know and are happy with it.
That about sums it up...
hate them ...ORIGINAL OR NOTHING ..YEP ..GREAT VIDEO .. :) this happens very often in Vintage Matchbox /Lesney universe ..
Didn't realize it was a problem with car collecting, but doesn't' surprise me!
Mego is the biggest repo out there and I don't mind the decal that are always lost. But I am trying to complete my vintage death star and I refuse to pay $145 for a rope. I was looking for the background cards they wanted to much for one in not that of great shape $65. So I know why people go to repo and they do say repo. But there are ones that don't tell u and on the star wars weapons I bought a luke gun and sword. They said original they float did the test but now they have ones that float. So now I don't know if they are original or not paid $60 for them. My mego are original but 3 have repo decals my high end ones have all original decal and accessories.
And that's ultimately the point. Whether or not the seller is being honest about what they are presenting.
I'm cool with it if it's a fair price for those reproductions and I'll buy one just put it with an original figure but it does bother me also when people sell them a lot of money for fakes.
It boils down to the integrity of the seller.
My Son ran into this Its ridiculous!!! That makes the Seller a Liar and a Thief! I hate to Be that crass on it but its become the norm now in collecting. I dont mind repro Weapons If the Sellers TELLS you that it is in the description for the Figure or Vehicle. You Guys know as well as I do that there are Folks out there that Gouge the collector over an Accessory that was even a little special or hardly rare. I wonder If My Son bought His Man At Arms from the same Seller. It turned out the Weapon and Armour were Repro. I had Man at Arms when I was young and knew that it was hard Plastic and this was like Vinyl and soft as anything. I think If a Person Buys an Incomplete Figure Then Buys a Repro Weapon for Their Owen Collection is alright. Thats not hurting anyone, Right. Now If Someone Misleads someone and sell Them a repro anything thats fraud. Collector seller arent regulated like any other business so They dont suffer for it and get away with it.
Yeah I don't really care about repros etc etc...but I be pissed too if I bought something 200 or 300 and it's a repro not original...for instance I've seen some Mattel old flash Gordon figures with repro art that look pretty good for 30 bucks plus they say reproduction...I'm cool with that..the art and the figures look good and they tell you up front. I just be mad if it were sold for 200 saying yes it's an original figure.
And that's really the problem. When people try to pass them off as original, or are not easily forthcoming about it.
I avoid it like the plague. I'd rather have a figure on a tattered card with the bubble loose than have anything repro. I mean it just defeats the purpose of collecting in the first place.
I lean towards original myself...
David I know what your thinking I can read the facial expressions hang in there
I think it’s fine as long as it’s WELL known and clearly stated this is a reproduction or whatever. But as a toy collector and buyer I will never buy a reproduction thing I think it’s Crap!
And that's the real problem, how many will pass off a repro...