What a top man. Speaks such sense and in a calm, understated manner. And what a beautiful, well proportioned gee-gee. Looks so healthy inside and out. A great reflection on the owners, carers, trainers and rider👌🏻
Thank you so much. I’ve read as much as I can but have learned more just by watching this video. It’s a constant struggle not to be swept away by looks like color and chrome.
What a great video!! I love that this can be great information for novice to advanced horse people. I like that he says that not all horses are perfect but these are the important things that should be paid attention to. Becky you do such a great job of teaching us. I've already changed so many things in my barn. Keep them coming to us!!! Thanks!
These videos are amazing. So informative and some great new ideas to take my riding and horsemanship to a new level. I especially liked when John said "its not a beauty contest". I've been riding Warmbloods for years and now considering a Thoroughbred after riding one for about six months. So many people say "you'll never win at an A rated equitation show on a Thoroughbred.". My guy is a fancy chestnut, but most importantly has a fabulous disposition and drive with a nice conformation. He's actually one of the most beautiful horses I've had while having a personality that can't be beaten. It can be discouraging to think that a good rider can't win on a great horse because of breed bias or how fancy he/she is.
Liz Roberts I couldn’t agree more. To be honest I really love seeing OTTBs getting second chances as well as Thoroughbreds that never raced. I enjoy going to shows seeing many different breeds having a presence. In my opinion, saying only Warmbloods win is a bit out of date. But, that mentality still seems to be out there. To what extent I’m not sure. I’ve won and lost on some beautiful Warmbloods, it came down to the connection, work ethic, and us as a team. Next step is turning on the Maclay, Nation’s Cup, or the Olympics and seeing some breed differentiation at the top of the classes.
Bit older 56 here. Growing up the Thoroughbred was the only horse you ever saw at hunter jumper shows. I think that all started to turn around in the 80s. Jumpers and dressage jumped on the European warmblood wagon first, then hunter riders started breeding for them as well. I think a lot also has to do with the temperment. There is still nothing more beautiful than a great thoroughbred, but the style of moving, way of jumping is all geared toward wb these days. Of course the wb can very from very high blood almost TB looking that excells in eventing to the super beefy nearly drafty looking upper level dressage horses and everything in between. A good horse is a good horse if they can do the job. Sturdiness and soundness over time surely come into play as well.
@@lorettaallison6931 I think if you look at judging at least at AHSA A rated shows it's pretty clear what the judges like. Been watching the WIHS live streamed. The hunters are without exception warmbloods. The aesthetic has changed so much. Not saying it's bad, just different. Thanks for the reply. Styles change.
I agree with a few posts below of evaluating OTTBs right off the track. This way they’re usually race fit so you can see everything. It seems like a toss up, sometimes you run a horse too much and he’s compromised. Otherwise, you get what you see. I love your videos, more TBs (as they’re more affordable) would be so awesome.
“Shoulder I like of him” (s.i.c.) teaches me nothing (all due respect), the angle or such does teach me something. Same goes for “good jocks, good length of canon bone etc.” What is “good”? You’re here to teach us.
I find it pretty interesting how while John mentions "freaky flat backs" (as is the general consensus in riding horses because you want a saddle to fit well) wild horses tend to have much straighter backs and less protruding withers
OK, I like to check many experts and compare their info. Here I miss the relation between (because there is a ratio), at least, the general measurements of the horse...withers to point of chest and croup to point of buttock.....withers to croup....point of chest to point of buttocks. These measurements are crucial for any trainer/breeder. Here we are just being told that the measurements are "good" "nice" and that he likes them, well fine, but all too vague if the exercise is to inform us. That is what you come for when expecting info on conformation.
A horse can lose that nice wide end when not trained correctly. A lot of people won't consider Standardbreds off the track because they don't realise that it was their career in harness racing that shrunk their butt and that when ridden correctly, it will come back. Not saying that harness racing is wrong. Just that horses who do that are often muscled differently and that being trained in a new discipline will change that.
So, since I don't know this horse. I can be impartial. I haven't even googled him yet. (Didn't find him after I did must be a barn name) I believe he is too long in the neck, especially the bottom in relation to the top of the neck., much too long. His hip angle a bit flat and causes his legs to be a bit far behind him. All said he is a very pleasing horse to look at and given the comments, a trainer, or five has probably done a great job to make him a great performance horse, but for a correct conformational video... I would have to state his faults as every horse has them... even the best.
@@songbirds3712 The woman is obviously some distance away from the mic. Happy for you if you can hear her. If the topic is important enough, they should should optimize their process.
Thanks for watching our video! John's preferences on what he likes in show jumping horses comes from decades of experience with horses who have been extremely successful in our program. What works for us and what he and Beezie like may not be the right choices for every rider. We refrain from commenting on if John is a crotchety old man or not... ;)
I would love to see a conformation review by John on growing young horses, such as yearlings and 2 year olds, and also OTTBs.
Coach seems like a perfect horse is such a good horse when ever Beezie rides him he is such a good boy. ❤️
What a top man. Speaks such sense and in a calm, understated manner. And what a beautiful, well proportioned gee-gee. Looks so healthy inside and out. A great reflection on the owners, carers, trainers and rider👌🏻
Coach! What a treat to see him in this video, I’d love to see more like this! I’d also love to know the method behind naming the horses as JMS ☺️
Thank you so much. I’ve read as much as I can but have learned more just by watching this video. It’s a constant struggle not to be swept away by looks like color and chrome.
Please continue this series! Such great information!
What a great video!! I love that this can be great information for novice to advanced horse people. I like that he says that not all horses are perfect but these are the important things that should be paid attention to. Becky you do such a great job of teaching us. I've already changed so many things in my barn. Keep them coming to us!!! Thanks!
Love these videos! Thanks for sharing!
Such a lovely (imperfect) horse!
Thank you so much for this, it is not taught enough!
These videos are amazing. So informative and some great new ideas to take my riding and horsemanship to a new level. I especially liked when John said "its not a beauty contest". I've been riding Warmbloods for years and now considering a Thoroughbred after riding one for about six months. So many people say "you'll never win at an A rated equitation show on a Thoroughbred.". My guy is a fancy chestnut, but most importantly has a fabulous disposition and drive with a nice conformation. He's actually one of the most beautiful horses I've had while having a personality that can't be beaten. It can be discouraging to think that a good rider can't win on a great horse because of breed bias or how fancy he/she is.
Liz Roberts I couldn’t agree more. To be honest I really love seeing OTTBs getting second chances as well as Thoroughbreds that never raced. I enjoy going to shows seeing many different breeds having a presence. In my opinion, saying only Warmbloods win is a bit out of date. But, that mentality still seems to be out there. To what extent I’m not sure. I’ve won and lost on some beautiful Warmbloods, it came down to the connection, work ethic, and us as a team. Next step is turning on the Maclay, Nation’s Cup, or the Olympics and seeing some breed differentiation at the top of the classes.
Bit older 56 here. Growing up the Thoroughbred was the only horse you ever saw at hunter jumper shows. I think that all started to turn around in the 80s. Jumpers and dressage jumped on the European warmblood wagon first, then hunter riders started breeding for them as well. I think a lot also has to do with the temperment. There is still nothing more beautiful than a great thoroughbred, but the style of moving, way of jumping is all geared toward wb these days. Of course the wb can very from very high blood almost TB looking that excells in eventing to the super beefy nearly drafty looking upper level dressage horses and everything in between. A good horse is a good horse if they can do the job. Sturdiness and soundness over time surely come into play as well.
Oops typo. ....vary not very
It would be interesting to hear a judge’s perspective on this topic.
@@lorettaallison6931 I think if you look at judging at least at AHSA A rated shows it's pretty clear what the judges like. Been watching the WIHS live streamed. The hunters are without exception warmbloods. The aesthetic has changed so much. Not saying it's bad, just different. Thanks for the reply. Styles change.
Cant wait to see more conformation videos!
Very informational thank you!!
I could sit and listen to you all day about horses.
I agree with a few posts below of evaluating OTTBs right off the track. This way they’re usually race fit so you can see everything. It seems like a toss up, sometimes you run a horse too much and he’s compromised. Otherwise, you get what you see. I love your videos, more TBs (as they’re more affordable) would be so awesome.
“Shoulder I like of him” (s.i.c.) teaches me nothing (all due respect), the angle or such does teach me something. Same goes for “good jocks, good length of canon bone etc.” What is “good”? You’re here to teach us.
I find it pretty interesting how while John mentions "freaky flat backs" (as is the general consensus in riding horses because you want a saddle to fit well) wild horses tend to have much straighter backs and less protruding withers
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OK, I like to check many experts and compare their info. Here I miss the relation between (because there is a ratio), at least, the general measurements of the horse...withers to point of chest and croup to point of buttock.....withers to croup....point of chest to point of buttocks. These measurements are crucial for any trainer/breeder. Here we are just being told that the measurements are "good" "nice" and that he likes them, well fine, but all too vague if the exercise is to inform us. That is what you come for when expecting info on conformation.
He is a looker
A horse can lose that nice wide end when not trained correctly. A lot of people won't consider Standardbreds off the track because they don't realise that it was their career in harness racing that shrunk their butt and that when ridden correctly, it will come back. Not saying that harness racing is wrong. Just that horses who do that are often muscled differently and that being trained in a new discipline will change that.
Nice horse. What is his breeding?
D Goodwin Thanks for watching! Coach is a Holsteiner.
Sire: Con Air
Dam: M-stuttgart
Sire of Dam: Corofino I
Do we See Coach in Motion ?
mimivonflytz we may in a future video... 😉
So, since I don't know this horse. I can be impartial. I haven't even googled him yet. (Didn't find him after I did must be a barn name) I believe he is too long in the neck, especially the bottom in relation to the top of the neck., much too long. His hip angle a bit flat and causes his legs to be a bit far behind him. All said he is a very pleasing horse to look at and given the comments, a trainer, or five has probably done a great job to make him a great performance horse, but for a correct conformational video... I would have to state his faults as every horse has them... even the best.
audio isn't good enough to stick around
tielde maybe there is a problem on your end. I have the sound on very low because my husband is asleep right next to me and I can hear it just fine.
@@songbirds3712 The woman is obviously some distance away from the mic. Happy for you if you can hear her. If the topic is important enough, they should should optimize their process.
WTF is wrong with cute ears. There is no good reason for small ears to discourage you from a horse unless your a crotchety old man.
Thanks for watching our video! John's preferences on what he likes in show jumping horses comes from decades of experience with horses who have been extremely successful in our program. What works for us and what he and Beezie like may not be the right choices for every rider. We refrain from commenting on if John is a crotchety old man or not... ;)